I’m a lesbian so I had zero critical thought about this movie. I went for Reneé Rapp, stayed for Reneé, and all thoughts about this film since I’ve seen it are Reneé
Bisexual in a happy relationship with a man and absolutely same. Saw the movie and messaged my best friend like “is it weird the mean girls musical is doing something to me rn”
I loved renee but i wish they dressed them all so differently. The plastics aren’t supposed to be reality. They r plastic they r fake!!! They need to be out there with heels on and trendy dresses and skirts today that people DO wear.
I think my biggest gripe with this movie is just how ashamed it is of being a musical? All the songs are void of energy, the numbers are filmed like music videos, many songs were cut out or cut short and it’s as if the fun of musical theater was completely left out of the equation. And then you know, every trailer and promotional material leaving out the fact that this movie was a musical kinda just confirms it.
The entire reason I was avoiding this movie like the plague when we just had the trailer because I did not realize it was a musical until it already came out. And then I didn't see it because it was bad but me thinking oh it's just a remake because it's been enough years since the original gave me zero interest in seeing it
Well I honestly think cutting songs and shortening them down was a good decision, a lot of people dont like changes when addapting stories from book to movie, book to theatre, theatre to movie, etc. But they shouldnt because theyre different mediums and when theatre is song heavy it works and looks good, but when movies are song heavy it looks stupid and feels silly.
Also the most of the main characters can’t sing😭😭😭 this movie is a musical and they chose main leads who cant sing and chose supporting cast who will eat them up.
Yeah the falling down thing is weird. It’s like they wanted to remove the fat-shaming (in the musical everyone turns on Regina because her skirt comes off and everyone sees her big butt) but couldn’t actually think of anything to replace it with. I’m a teacher. Trust me when I say today’s kids still engage in bullying. There could have been something better there.
@@seakhajiit yeah I agree, I thought the implication was that she'd gained weight and couldn't do the stunt anymore. That along with the giant boom when she fell felt like they were trying to imply it was fat-shaming while being able to deny it in case they got flack for it.
I think the problem is that in the original movie, there was no big moment when the entire school turned against Regina. Regina's downfall comes from the plastics rejecting her, not from the entire school making fun of her. Both the musical and movie musical decided to change this and neither of it is realistic. Honestly, they should've stuck with the original plot: have the talent show be the start of Cady's rise instead of the end of Regina's fall, the first moment when she really takes the reins from Regina. Make it feel more natural that Gretchen and Karen are willing to follow her when she already had a moment of leading them.
Let’s not say that cause they casted Renee rapp as Regina and whoever played Damien, oh my god. Chef’s kiss. Those two decisions right there were the BEST options 😂
The "Not your mother's mean girls" thing is funny to me because she was 32 when it came out and 100% not he target audience. She didn't watch it until we got it on dvd in the mid 10's
It’s hilarious to me because I was about to graduate to high school when I finally half-watched it in 2009 because all the girls in my school wanted to watch it and the teacher had it on DVD. I honestly want to watch it again, just because I want to see how it really holds up a decade later when I’m not all edgy and high strung.
I would probably kill someone to get my hands on a good quality slime tutorial of Cameron Dallas on Mean Girls. It's so bad it's basically an urban legend at this point. I need to see that it's real or I refuse to believe it's not an elaborate prank.
@@cami_cosmos I want this to be true so bad. That's hilarious. What I heard is just the usual they wanted to drive ticket sale and they figured his majorly pre-teen girl audience would splurge on tickets to watch the musical. And since they're a part of the target audience it would work. Which is plausible but not as funny.
The thing is Angorie’s not a BAD singer she’s just not a theatre singer, which is fine but then why would they chose her for a musical. I will say I think they nailed the casting of Janis and Damian. I’m biased because I’ve played Damian but I think the two of them are one of the most fun parts of the musical. But the difference is they have theatre-y voices. Jaquel Spivey is an award winning Broadway performer (and yet they cut his songs for some reason-) and Auliʻi Cravalho has played two different Disney Princesses. Theatre singing involves more character than pop singing, it’s a different kind of training. Anyway, I liked Mr. Duvall and Ms. Norbury being together, that was a fun nod to the original film. Also thank you Harry for being our resident musical theatre fan commentary UA-camr so we can rant about our theatre thoughts!
Definitely agree on Janis and Damian, they were some of the best parts of this movie. Auli’i brought an interesting energy to Janis and I really enjoyed her performance.
this isn’t your mother’s mean girls-it’s worse. also the promotional tagline of “this isn’t your mother’s mean girls” is so weird to me…like yes 2004 was 20 years ago but i don’t think the parents of the gen alpha kids they’re trying to target were the demographic for the original movie. millennials and gen z both have nostalgia and affection for the original movie so they’re not targeting those groups. some older millennials might have tweenagers that are interested in mean girls but gen z definitely doesn’t have kids that would be old enough to care. the oldest members of gen alpha are 13 or 14 years old so i feel like most of them are still a bit too young for mean girls or they probably already saw the original movie because it’s still a part of pop culture.
It's part of the extremely small cycles of nostalgia designed to make you "feel old." I put in quotes bc I try not to buy into that way of thinking. The same thing happened when they revived High School Musical less than 10 years after the last one came out....the same gen z-millenial cuspers who loved HSM were now graduating college, at peak time of hyper nostalgia and reminiscing on childhood and as we know from the absolute lunacy of skincare/beauty/health industry/patriarchy, were already in prime position to be made to feel bad about aging and becoming adults with responsibilities (why???!this is what we were primed to do??). Not to say this was the *only* purpose of reviving that intellectual property lol but it's definitely a tactic companies find lucrative right now. That's why the marketing of "not your mother's mean girls" is not really made to make sense. It is mainly meant to make young people feel old and children feel older and more mature. Sure, the math could work out for *some* people, but it's more about the feeling. They're basically wanting to say: "This is new, this is shiny, let's continue some imaginary generation war to idk distract from EVERYTHING else?" When you're a child and a teenager, adulthood feels *so* far away. 10 years feels like a lifetime. And it makes sense since even a year is such a big percentage of the time you've been on earth. It's truly not personal, brands, and their ideas about you just want to imprint themselves in your mind when you're young and then poke at it the rest of your life lol nothing major I say all this cause it's fine even wonderful to enjoy a property being revived you enjoy or to be sad about it but every single day we're innundated with agism-- like we're seeing even 9 year old girls are stressed about aging--and it's all constructed (in sooo many ways)!! We are the ones who they want to influence, we have the power here to enjoy what we enjoy and not get caught in all the ridiculousness!! Lol I realized a wrote a bunchh
Among my peers, about 15% have children, and the oldest ones are like in 5th grade, i.e, they are not the target audience. And we graduated in 2005, one year after the movie was released. So yes, this line makes no sence whatsoever.
I was 14 when I finally “saw" it on DVD during a last-day-of-school party and it flew right over my head. Ironically, I wanted to see it when it came out but I was too young and it was a solid PG-13. The “Not Your Mommy’s Mean Girls” tagline stinks because I think they’re specifically trying to make us sound like we’re old and outdated or something but here’s the thing - I’m 30 next year, and I might find the original movie more entertaining removed from the age group it’s targeted towards as a period piece.
Kids still say awful shit to each other today; this wasn’t reflected in the musical. They weren’t mean, they were lukewarm. OG Regina would’ve had them crying in 5 minutes. If anything, watching the musical made me want to watch the OG movie again. Really loved Janis and Damien in the musical though, they were great.
It's not a joke! It's on his tiktok but people were saying that the new songs from the movie sounded like smth danny would make, so Danny responded on tiktok and made a joke vid saying he did make all the songs and he included clips of himself singing a cover of Stupid with Love !!
6:50 - Angourie Rice is a great actress, the few things I've seen her in I loved her performance, and yet when I saw her in the initial promotional stuff for Mean Girls, I squirmed because she just would not have been my first, or second...or third, pick for Katie or really anyone in a musical. She shines in subtle, understated roles and for a musical, ESPECIALLY one where she's going to be opposite a powerhouse like Reneé Rapp, you NEED someone who's going to be high energy with a big performance. Otherwise she's going to fade into the background and that's what happened. I would like to hope that it's not going to make a dent in her career and that people will understand it was just bad casting and not a reflection on her ability to perform in roles better suited for her acting style...but it's the internet, so I'm not holding my breath.
Yeah, there were some moments of more subtle acting from her in the movie that really stood out, and showed that given the right role she could really shine. Like in the scene where Gretchen tells her that Regina is cheating on Aaron, there's a great bit of physical acting from Angourie where her eyes kind of flash and her breathing quickens as she listens, but she's trying to hold it all back so Gretchen doesn't notice. That honestly gave me more charecterization for Cady than the whole rest of the movie.
i dont mean to crap on the directors but i wish they wouldve used a director with a history of directing musicals, some of the blocking and cinematography made no sense
The sort of befuddled way Renee says "I wanna give you some shoes 🙂" has stuck with me since the first time I watched this movie, it's such a weird delivery but the way she smiles after is so cute, this movie is an ENIGMA.
As a certified fan of the OG Mean Girls, watching the movie clips made me cringe so much 😭This movie really doesn't have the camp and charm of the original.
Something I really think this movie failed on is capturing the precise way that Regina is supposed to be mean. In the original movie, every mean thing she said, particularly to the other Plastics, was couched in so much passive aggression, while in the remake, Renee plays those lines with much more outright hostility, to the point where it just feels jarring. Like compare the two “Gretchen, stop trying to make fetch happen” scenes: Rachel says it with a cutting and condescending directness that instantly cuts Gretchen down, while Renee is so outright mad she almost growls, making it surprising that even a doormat like Gretchen wouldn’t call her a bitch and dip. Regina’s passive aggression and condescending attitude is one of the things that made her so mean yet also able to keep so many friends, but the 2024 Regina is so clearly angry all the time that I feel the school would have turned on her way more wuicku
as someone who lived in Illinois my whole life -- to be fair, 'you fall down once and its over' is pretty accurate. people wont let you live down f*ck all around here, cause we don't have enough going on in our lives to forget those things.
Target demographic of this movie here to say I personally wished they just filmed the National Tour version of the stage show. It made edits the Broadway version needed and if Mean Girls had to have another reboot (though it really didn't). I'd rather that be shown in theatres than what we got here.
You said correctly serveral times but it really hits the nail right on the head - 'its not that its bad, its just not a musical' This is my first video of yours but this was so funny and well written. This was a delight, carry on
As someone who has the same phone as Cady in this movie, really did NOT need the commentary about how she will never get popular because of her phone LOL 😭😭💀
I haven’t seen the musical in awhile, but wasn’t the original falling down thing about Regina lowkey flashing the audience and someone taking a picture and spreading it? I feel like that’s a way better plot point and more relevant than just “she fell haha”. I mean, how do you feel when a horrible person has embarrassing pictures spread of them? It’s horrible, but they’re horrible, but they’re also a teenage girl who’s getting pictures spread of her and viciously mocked. Again, I can’t remember if that’s actually what the picture was, I haven’t seen the musical in years and it’s hard to search for it since everything is about the movie or vague about specific plot points. But either way I think we can agree the direction the movie went in was bad.
I don't think angourie rice is bad at acting I just think she shouldn't have been the lead because she wasn't given a good focus and was told to probably basically just be emotionless cuz that's what she sounds like in a lot of her scenes emotionless
No I’m a 47 yr old mom who watched it with her 16 yr old daughter and we both equally hated it just like all her friends did. Of course my daughter played Regina in mean girls musical and all her friends love the Broadway show so we probably all hated it for the same reason, they destroyed everything great about the Broadway show.
I remember being a guy in 2004, with a bunch of other guys in 2004, and as far as any of us knew at that point, we were all cis and straight and not at all who the flick was marketed toward, and we all happened to see it on tv or someone had a dvd, or a gf showed it, none of us, like, put any effort into trying to see it, but somehow we all did, and we were all like, this is really good? Like, it's really good. Was an interesting experience
I get it. I was a girl in 2004, wanted to see it in theaters but was too young (like, 9) at the time, finally saw it once and never again in 2009 and completely forgot about it until now.
I think most of the blame on this movie's existence is Tina Fey. Because the more I look into Mean Girls and it's legacy, it becomes more apparent that Tina wanted to bank on her first ever successful movie she only made since as much as possible. From musicals, a sequel, and all merchandise, and wanted to take all the credit as if it's her creation. Nobody wanted a musical film except her and produced the remake, not because she wanted to do something new or tell something the original didn't, but more so because she's so spoiled on her fame for the original movie's success and acts like the franchise is her creation. No, Tina made a remake to book called "Queen Bees and Wannabes" and acts like she took all the credit in numerous interviews and marketing with her face and name all over it. (To the point where the author Rosalind Wiseman threatened to take legal actions to Fey and Paramount in 2023 because she wasn't getting paid from all of the movie's merchandise.) While on the one hand, I heavily respect Fey for creating a movie that's a iconic quotable classic for today's generation, I also look down upon her in a way for taking a steaming dump on a movie's success and making it a soulless franchise while leaving the book the movie it was based on and it's creator, Rosalind Wiseman, behind post-2002. Paramount really did themselves dirty for approving this movie because awful music was successful and one bozo-bitch delivered the finishing blow when they decided to release this disgusting monstrous mess to the world. (And whether or not my speculation is correct or not, it's extremely odd to say the least.)
i watched this movie in cinemas and was entertained for most of it (i was kinda pissed off by the end because of how dirty janis was done but that was also a problem with the musical). once i thought about it more i realised just how incompetent the movie was, but even being based on something as good as the original mean girls helps this movie a lot. one example of the movie’s incompetence that stood out to me was that it was hard to understand the lyrics to watch the world burn (which is a huge problem cause it’s a fucking MUSICAL). making all of the songs sound more like pop songs probably was a consequence of the movie being ashamed of being a musical, but that change ended up making the movie a failure both as a movie and a musical i also feel kinda bad for angourie rice. she’d probably be a good cady in a non musical remake of mean girls but never should have been cast for this remake.
I said this to my friends before and I’ll say it here again, it feels like they watched the musical ONCE and just made that would be viewing into a movie One thing I like about the lion metaphor is that a grown lions predator is really only lions
Insightful commentary - btw the bit in "Revenge Party" where Cady sings was actually lowered to fit Angourie's range - it's actually higher/more vocally interesting and complex in the musical.
my hottest take has to be that I really dislike Renee Rapp’s performance. Can’t stand the way she sings and I hate how self aware the performance feels.
Her character is very different from Regina in thr original movie. She has this disafected, obvious mean girl demeanor which is totally opposite of how the original Regina portrays herself. I mean in the original movie, Cady's first impression of Regina is that "she seems sweet." But they changed that to "she seems cool" because there's no way musical Regina could be called sweet. She always looks rather superior and bored and is blatantly very mean to people's faces. Original Regina comes of across as much nicer but is more vicious behind people's backs.
I'm convinced that even if the only thing they changed was casting someone else as Cady who could actually sing all of the songs as they were written, it would've been substantially better (and it should've been Sabrina Carpenter to make up for the all of two days or whatever she got to be in the show). Like I can't see any reason for them to replace It Roars and completely change the style of Stupid With Love and cut her out of Apex Predator except for her not being able to belt those songs out. Couldn't hurt if they cast someone else (who was able and willing to sing) as Aaron, too, but that's not as much of an issue for me. That being said, I still enjoyed the movie well enough and it makes me happy that it led to Renee Rapp getting more attention than she was before.
I watched OG mean girls with a group of people who were 6-10 years younger than me (I’m 28) and they were all so offended by it 😭 I was like, it’s satire?? And this is how high schoolers talked when I was in middle school, it’s a snapshot making fun of the sh!tty culture of the time.
Wicked is definitely going to be better than Mean Girls the musical because they actually have actors who can sing and the lead role at least from the Snippets of songs that have been in the trailers sounds like she can sing and also Ariana Grande is famous so she's good singing I'm just wondering is she good at singing Broadway that's the question
The line from Tina Fey “that’s a great way to take money away from my union” when Cady says she’s homeschooled…. WHAT??? Not only does it not make any sense it’s clumsy. What teacher would say that?? It’s not funny!! Entirely apart from all the other crap in this, every line they added sounds like it was written by AI
Hearing Stupid with Love after listening to the original Broadway cast version is like being drugged. How are all these songs so autotuned and overproduced yet so lazy and low energy at the same time??
Sweet lord I’m the 43-year-old in here. Clueless is our movie. I think they made this movie about 5 years early to catch the right mother-daughter generational difference.
Also if I was to revise mean girls musical I would make the narrator's Katie Damien and Janice and I basically try to match the thing from Mean Girls that worked and mesh the things in the musical that worked because that'll be that we create the perfect musical movie
If anyone hasn’t watched Reneé sing World Burn on here from 2019 go do it right now, she is INSANE!!!! She was such a powerhouse in this film and did the best with what she was given. Reneé, Auli and Jacquel carried this film on their backs for sure
When you started playing Halloween from Be More Chill I started rolling around on the floor laughing. Thank you for expressing what I’ve always felt when I hear Sexy from Mean Girls.
Not a fan of the original movie, not interested in watching a middling adaptation of an adaptation, but will always tune in to watch you talk about anything. And I would go out of my way to see you play Seymour in Little Shop. Thanks for posting just when I needed a lift!
I did just enjoy it because I went for Renee lmaooo I really liked the Halloween party was my favorite part. It was really good the dancers and shifting of the camera was so good
I’m a lesbian so I had zero critical thought about this movie. I went for Reneé Rapp, stayed for Reneé, and all thoughts about this film since I’ve seen it are Reneé
this! but also Auli'i
Bisexual in a happy relationship with a man and absolutely same. Saw the movie and messaged my best friend like “is it weird the mean girls musical is doing something to me rn”
I loved renee but i wish they dressed them all so differently. The plastics aren’t supposed to be reality. They r plastic they r fake!!! They need to be out there with heels on and trendy dresses and skirts today that people DO wear.
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Same, but I came for movie, stayed for movie and Auli’i and then thought about Auli’i after
"Then we Danny Gonzalez's version of stupid with love" 💀💀💀
what
i love danny #number1dannylover
@@Aldi-Offical he says it in the video. I also like danny
I died when he said that
This musical WISHES it had bangers like I Ghosted Kevin Jonas!
I think my biggest gripe with this movie is just how ashamed it is of being a musical? All the songs are void of energy, the numbers are filmed like music videos, many songs were cut out or cut short and it’s as if the fun of musical theater was completely left out of the equation.
And then you know, every trailer and promotional material leaving out the fact that this movie was a musical kinda just confirms it.
every movie musical for the last like 5-10 years has been ashamed of being a musical like why bother at this point
The entire reason I was avoiding this movie like the plague when we just had the trailer because I did not realize it was a musical until it already came out.
And then I didn't see it because it was bad but me thinking oh it's just a remake because it's been enough years since the original gave me zero interest in seeing it
Well I honestly think cutting songs and shortening them down was a good decision, a lot of people dont like changes when addapting stories from book to movie, book to theatre, theatre to movie, etc. But they shouldnt because theyre different mediums and when theatre is song heavy it works and looks good, but when movies are song heavy it looks stupid and feels silly.
@@madeezyfosheezy I would disagree because The Greatest Showman is a perfect example of a great musical movie
Also the most of the main characters can’t sing😭😭😭 this movie is a musical and they chose main leads who cant sing and chose supporting cast who will eat them up.
The outfits a lot of the time we’re ugly asf or looked cheap. Regina would never were shein she would have worn expensive brands🙄
And why does she have a orange jeep 💀
But the “SHEIN” top everyone is talking about is $90 on revolve😭😭
@@Melissasofia522plenty of expensive stuff looks cheap because it is cheap. Regina still wouldn’t have worn that
Same with the makeup. She definitely wouldn't have used Elf.
Regina wouldn’t have followed trends, she would have set them.
Yeah the falling down thing is weird. It’s like they wanted to remove the fat-shaming (in the musical everyone turns on Regina because her skirt comes off and everyone sees her big butt) but couldn’t actually think of anything to replace it with. I’m a teacher. Trust me when I say today’s kids still engage in bullying. There could have been something better there.
And it kinda felt like the implication was still that this happened because she gained weight
@@seakhajiit yeah I agree, I thought the implication was that she'd gained weight and couldn't do the stunt anymore. That along with the giant boom when she fell felt like they were trying to imply it was fat-shaming while being able to deny it in case they got flack for it.
I think the problem is that in the original movie, there was no big moment when the entire school turned against Regina. Regina's downfall comes from the plastics rejecting her, not from the entire school making fun of her. Both the musical and movie musical decided to change this and neither of it is realistic. Honestly, they should've stuck with the original plot: have the talent show be the start of Cady's rise instead of the end of Regina's fall, the first moment when she really takes the reins from Regina. Make it feel more natural that Gretchen and Karen are willing to follow her when she already had a moment of leading them.
How did they make every decision in this movie wrong? It’s like they picked the worst possible option every time.
Relatable tho
Let’s not say that cause they casted Renee rapp as Regina and whoever played Damien, oh my god. Chef’s kiss. Those two decisions right there were the BEST options 😂
Like casting Angourie Rice as Katy
It all started with them casting two actors that can't sing
@@calamaria9221 the second better not be Renée or Auli’i
"a certain r-word a few times but that IS how teens talked in 2004," that's still how teens talk in 2024 unfortunately 💔
The school when Regina is a bitchy mean girl: I sleep
The school when Regina falls down: REAL SHIT
The "Not your mother's mean girls" thing is funny to me because she was 32 when it came out and 100% not he target audience. She didn't watch it until we got it on dvd in the mid 10's
It’s hilarious to me because I was about to graduate to high school when I finally half-watched it in 2009 because all the girls in my school wanted to watch it and the teacher had it on DVD.
I honestly want to watch it again, just because I want to see how it really holds up a decade later when I’m not all edgy and high strung.
I would probably kill someone to get my hands on a good quality slime tutorial of Cameron Dallas on Mean Girls. It's so bad it's basically an urban legend at this point. I need to see that it's real or I refuse to believe it's not an elaborate prank.
I’d never seen the clips of his performance before, and oh my god it’s so hilariously awful. How did this even happen??
@@coco604 One theory is that the casting directors wanted to get Shawn Mendes, but got him confused with Cameron Dallas.
@@cami_cosmos I want this to be true so bad. That's hilarious.
What I heard is just the usual they wanted to drive ticket sale and they figured his majorly pre-teen girl audience would splurge on tickets to watch the musical. And since they're a part of the target audience it would work. Which is plausible but not as funny.
@@cami_cosmos That is amazing I really hope that's true
The R-word is among the student's favourite words and insults at my high school. I hear it almost every day.
The thing is Angorie’s not a BAD singer she’s just not a theatre singer, which is fine but then why would they chose her for a musical. I will say I think they nailed the casting of Janis and Damian. I’m biased because I’ve played Damian but I think the two of them are one of the most fun parts of the musical. But the difference is they have theatre-y voices. Jaquel Spivey is an award winning Broadway performer (and yet they cut his songs for some reason-) and Auliʻi Cravalho has played two different Disney Princesses. Theatre singing involves more character than pop singing, it’s a different kind of training. Anyway, I liked Mr. Duvall and Ms. Norbury being together, that was a fun nod to the original film. Also thank you Harry for being our resident musical theatre fan commentary UA-camr so we can rant about our theatre thoughts!
Definitely agree on Janis and Damian, they were some of the best parts of this movie. Auli’i brought an interesting energy to Janis and I really enjoyed her performance.
I think I know whey they chose her as the lead …but Renee definitely became the lead instead.
You’ve played Damien?? That’s so cool! I would love to play Janis, 100% agree with you tho that Regina, Janis and Damien were the stars of this movie
this isn’t your mother’s mean girls-it’s worse.
also the promotional tagline of “this isn’t your mother’s mean girls” is so weird to me…like yes 2004 was 20 years ago but i don’t think the parents of the gen alpha kids they’re trying to target were the demographic for the original movie.
millennials and gen z both have nostalgia and affection for the original movie so they’re not targeting those groups. some older millennials might have tweenagers that are interested in mean girls but gen z definitely doesn’t have kids that would be old enough to care.
the oldest members of gen alpha are 13 or 14 years old so i feel like most of them are still a bit too young for mean girls or they probably already saw the original movie because it’s still a part of pop culture.
It's part of the extremely small cycles of nostalgia designed to make you "feel old." I put in quotes bc I try not to buy into that way of thinking. The same thing happened when they revived High School Musical less than 10 years after the last one came out....the same gen z-millenial cuspers who loved HSM were now graduating college, at peak time of hyper nostalgia and reminiscing on childhood and as we know from the absolute lunacy of skincare/beauty/health industry/patriarchy, were already in prime position to be made to feel bad about aging and becoming adults with responsibilities (why???!this is what we were primed to do??). Not to say this was the *only* purpose of reviving that intellectual property lol but it's definitely a tactic companies find lucrative right now.
That's why the marketing of "not your mother's mean girls" is not really made to make sense. It is mainly meant to make young people feel old and children feel older and more mature. Sure, the math could work out for *some* people, but it's more about the feeling. They're basically wanting to say: "This is new, this is shiny, let's continue some imaginary generation war to idk distract from EVERYTHING else?"
When you're a child and a teenager, adulthood feels *so* far away. 10 years feels like a lifetime. And it makes sense since even a year is such a big percentage of the time you've been on earth. It's truly not personal, brands, and their ideas about you just want to imprint themselves in your mind when you're young and then poke at it the rest of your life lol nothing major
I say all this cause it's fine even wonderful to enjoy a property being revived you enjoy or to be sad about it but every single day we're innundated with agism-- like we're seeing even 9 year old girls are stressed about aging--and it's all constructed (in sooo many ways)!! We are the ones who they want to influence, we have the power here to enjoy what we enjoy and not get caught in all the ridiculousness!! Lol I realized a wrote a bunchh
Among my peers, about 15% have children, and the oldest ones are like in 5th grade, i.e, they are not the target audience. And we graduated in 2005, one year after the movie was released. So yes, this line makes no sence whatsoever.
I was 14 when I finally “saw" it on DVD during a last-day-of-school party and it flew right over my head. Ironically, I wanted to see it when it came out but I was too young and it was a solid PG-13.
The “Not Your Mommy’s Mean Girls” tagline stinks because I think they’re specifically trying to make us sound like we’re old and outdated or something but here’s the thing - I’m 30 next year, and I might find the original movie more entertaining removed from the age group it’s targeted towards as a period piece.
The inclusion of Danny's version of stupid with love and clips from Game Changer truly convinced me to subscribe lmao
how angourie sings cow in revenge party is so funny because its all autotune
The “cow” in that bit genuinely HAUNTS me because it genuinely sounds like they did a separate take of the word cow and it sounds so awful 💀
@@kitsune630 they editted it in
Kids still say awful shit to each other today; this wasn’t reflected in the musical. They weren’t mean, they were lukewarm. OG Regina would’ve had them crying in 5 minutes.
If anything, watching the musical made me want to watch the OG movie again.
Really loved Janis and Damien in the musical though, they were great.
i genuinely cannot tell if the "danny gonzalez's version of stupid with love" line is a joke or not lmao. it rlly sounds like his voice but also HUH??
It's not a joke! It's on his tiktok but people were saying that the new songs from the movie sounded like smth danny would make, so Danny responded on tiktok and made a joke vid saying he did make all the songs and he included clips of himself singing a cover of Stupid with Love !!
6:50 - Angourie Rice is a great actress, the few things I've seen her in I loved her performance, and yet when I saw her in the initial promotional stuff for Mean Girls, I squirmed because she just would not have been my first, or second...or third, pick for Katie or really anyone in a musical. She shines in subtle, understated roles and for a musical, ESPECIALLY one where she's going to be opposite a powerhouse like Reneé Rapp, you NEED someone who's going to be high energy with a big performance. Otherwise she's going to fade into the background and that's what happened. I would like to hope that it's not going to make a dent in her career and that people will understand it was just bad casting and not a reflection on her ability to perform in roles better suited for her acting style...but it's the internet, so I'm not holding my breath.
Yeah, there were some moments of more subtle acting from her in the movie that really stood out, and showed that given the right role she could really shine. Like in the scene where Gretchen tells her that Regina is cheating on Aaron, there's a great bit of physical acting from Angourie where her eyes kind of flash and her breathing quickens as she listens, but she's trying to hold it all back so Gretchen doesn't notice. That honestly gave me more charecterization for Cady than the whole rest of the movie.
Omg I got far too excited when you put in Danny's version of Stupid with Love 😭
i'm so glad they let him be a part of a major motion picture
@@harryjamesmiller same 🙏 he made some absolute bangers
Is that real? How do I find it 😭
i dont mean to crap on the directors but i wish they wouldve used a director with a history of directing musicals, some of the blocking and cinematography made no sense
My favorite Mean Girls quote is also the most underrated: "Are they not allowed out when they're grounded?"
no bc cutting “it roars” and “where do you belong” was CRIMINAL those are two of the best songs in the show
not a be more chill reference in the year 2024... suddenly im back in the trenches
wait can someone please timestamp this?
@flyaway1omg thank you lol
The sort of befuddled way Renee says "I wanna give you some shoes 🙂" has stuck with me since the first time I watched this movie, it's such a weird delivery but the way she smiles after is so cute, this movie is an ENIGMA.
As a certified fan of the OG Mean Girls, watching the movie clips made me cringe so much 😭This movie really doesn't have the camp and charm of the original.
yk what my theory why they changed stupid with love is because it has such high notes that rice cant sing
i’m still upset that sabrina carpenter never got her chance to really shine as cady
I would K/LL to get a full bootleg w her omg
Important question: Why does so much of this movie have a blue and brown colour palette? It's really ugly
People dog piling on an actor for being “ugly” is insane. How old are these people. Yeah the movie sucks but why go after others’ looks?? Grow up.
19:24 this was written by a woman in her 50’s you say? Couldn’t tell this is so accurate to how high schoolers actually act
It’s embarrassed to be a musical
For real like
The best musicals know they’re musicals, I don’t want a closeted musical
This movie is going to age so badly with all the social media and crap
i love that this video is literally just recapping mean girls like what else can you do lmao
ok i saw this in theaters high and i had fun but i DID NOT NOTICE THE ASPECT RATIO THING and now i am IRRATIONALLY UPSET???
Something I really think this movie failed on is capturing the precise way that Regina is supposed to be mean. In the original movie, every mean thing she said, particularly to the other Plastics, was couched in so much passive aggression, while in the remake, Renee plays those lines with much more outright hostility, to the point where it just feels jarring. Like compare the two “Gretchen, stop trying to make fetch happen” scenes: Rachel says it with a cutting and condescending directness that instantly cuts Gretchen down, while Renee is so outright mad she almost growls, making it surprising that even a doormat like Gretchen wouldn’t call her a bitch and dip. Regina’s passive aggression and condescending attitude is one of the things that made her so mean yet also able to keep so many friends, but the 2024 Regina is so clearly angry all the time that I feel the school would have turned on her way more wuicku
"as a party... like a revenge party... and then i cut to the so-" i almost cried dude
19:43 as someone who fell down a few times in Illinois, I can't show my face in public again
I live in Illinois. I fell down on my way to dinner tonight. I was instantly disowned. Have to move to Wisconsin immediately.
I feel like I can see you more as Audrey opposite Andy king as Seymore rather than the dentist, plus she gets all the best songs
this is fair
as someone who lived in Illinois my whole life -- to be fair, 'you fall down once and its over' is pretty accurate. people wont let you live down f*ck all around here, cause we don't have enough going on in our lives to forget those things.
i’m literally obsessed with you and every one of your takes
Target demographic of this movie here to say I personally wished they just filmed the National Tour version of the stage show. It made edits the Broadway version needed and if Mean Girls had to have another reboot (though it really didn't). I'd rather that be shown in theatres than what we got here.
You said correctly serveral times but it really hits the nail right on the head - 'its not that its bad, its just not a musical'
This is my first video of yours but this was so funny and well written. This was a delight, carry on
As someone who has the same phone as Cady in this movie, really did NOT need the commentary about how she will never get popular because of her phone LOL 😭😭💀
I haven’t seen the musical in awhile, but wasn’t the original falling down thing about Regina lowkey flashing the audience and someone taking a picture and spreading it? I feel like that’s a way better plot point and more relevant than just “she fell haha”. I mean, how do you feel when a horrible person has embarrassing pictures spread of them? It’s horrible, but they’re horrible, but they’re also a teenage girl who’s getting pictures spread of her and viciously mocked.
Again, I can’t remember if that’s actually what the picture was, I haven’t seen the musical in years and it’s hard to search for it since everything is about the movie or vague about specific plot points. But either way I think we can agree the direction the movie went in was bad.
that welcome to Mountport clip was a welcome jumpscare
🎶 Sexy Tina 🎶 train conductress 🎶
I always have the Diana the musical video on repeat so thank you for this new treat
My favorite Karen moment is when she used the grilled cheese as the makeup sponge Avantika Vandana did an amazing job as her
I don't think angourie rice is bad at acting I just think she shouldn't have been the lead because she wasn't given a good focus and was told to probably basically just be emotionless cuz that's what she sounds like in a lot of her scenes emotionless
musical chat plus be more chill and game changer references… i have found my place
Shiny? NO
Fake? NO
Hard? YES!
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the MMCU (Momma Mia Cinematic Universe)
If someone doesn't cast Christopher Briney as Joey King's brother in something I will...I guess just be deeply disappointed, but still.
No I’m a 47 yr old mom who watched it with her 16 yr old daughter and we both equally hated it just like all her friends did. Of course my daughter played Regina in mean girls musical and all her friends love the Broadway show so we probably all hated it for the same reason, they destroyed everything great about the Broadway show.
The sudden cut to "Take mu guitar??" at the end just sent me
I remember being a guy in 2004, with a bunch of other guys in 2004, and as far as any of us knew at that point, we were all cis and straight and not at all who the flick was marketed toward, and we all happened to see it on tv or someone had a dvd, or a gf showed it, none of us, like, put any effort into trying to see it, but somehow we all did, and we were all like, this is really good? Like, it's really good.
Was an interesting experience
I get it.
I was a girl in 2004, wanted to see it in theaters but was too young (like, 9) at the time, finally saw it once and never again in 2009 and completely forgot about it until now.
The Andy King and you stunt casting ideas are perhaps some of the best stunt casting ideas I've ever seen??? Hoping for ya, dude!
I love how easy it is for things to go viral in teen movies lol
I think most of the blame on this movie's existence is Tina Fey. Because the more I look into Mean Girls and it's legacy, it becomes more apparent that Tina wanted to bank on her first ever successful movie she only made since as much as possible. From musicals, a sequel, and all merchandise, and wanted to take all the credit as if it's her creation. Nobody wanted a musical film except her and produced the remake, not because she wanted to do something new or tell something the original didn't, but more so because she's so spoiled on her fame for the original movie's success and acts like the franchise is her creation. No, Tina made a remake to book called "Queen Bees and Wannabes" and acts like she took all the credit in numerous interviews and marketing with her face and name all over it. (To the point where the author Rosalind Wiseman threatened to take legal actions to Fey and Paramount in 2023 because she wasn't getting paid from all of the movie's merchandise.)
While on the one hand, I heavily respect Fey for creating a movie that's a iconic quotable classic for today's generation, I also look down upon her in a way for taking a steaming dump on a movie's success and making it a soulless franchise while leaving the book the movie it was based on and it's creator, Rosalind Wiseman, behind post-2002. Paramount really did themselves dirty for approving this movie because awful music was successful and one bozo-bitch delivered the finishing blow when they decided to release this disgusting monstrous mess to the world. (And whether or not my speculation is correct or not, it's extremely odd to say the least.)
i watched this movie in cinemas and was entertained for most of it (i was kinda pissed off by the end because of how dirty janis was done but that was also a problem with the musical). once i thought about it more i realised just how incompetent the movie was, but even being based on something as good as the original mean girls helps this movie a lot. one example of the movie’s incompetence that stood out to me was that it was hard to understand the lyrics to watch the world burn (which is a huge problem cause it’s a fucking MUSICAL). making all of the songs sound more like pop songs probably was a consequence of the movie being ashamed of being a musical, but that change ended up making the movie a failure both as a movie and a musical
i also feel kinda bad for angourie rice. she’d probably be a good cady in a non musical remake of mean girls but never should have been cast for this remake.
I love when you make musical theater vids
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I said this to my friends before and I’ll say it here again, it feels like they watched the musical ONCE and just made that would be viewing into a movie
One thing I like about the lion metaphor is that a grown lions predator is really only lions
Insightful commentary - btw the bit in "Revenge Party" where Cady sings was actually lowered to fit Angourie's range - it's actually higher/more vocally interesting and complex in the musical.
my hottest take has to be that I really dislike Renee Rapp’s performance. Can’t stand the way she sings and I hate how self aware the performance feels.
Her character is very different from Regina in thr original movie. She has this disafected, obvious mean girl demeanor which is totally opposite of how the original Regina portrays herself. I mean in the original movie, Cady's first impression of Regina is that "she seems sweet." But they changed that to "she seems cool" because there's no way musical Regina could be called sweet. She always looks rather superior and bored and is blatantly very mean to people's faces. Original Regina comes of across as much nicer but is more vicious behind people's backs.
Came for mean girls, stayed for the random be more chill reference lmao
I'm convinced that even if the only thing they changed was casting someone else as Cady who could actually sing all of the songs as they were written, it would've been substantially better (and it should've been Sabrina Carpenter to make up for the all of two days or whatever she got to be in the show). Like I can't see any reason for them to replace It Roars and completely change the style of Stupid With Love and cut her out of Apex Predator except for her not being able to belt those songs out. Couldn't hurt if they cast someone else (who was able and willing to sing) as Aaron, too, but that's not as much of an issue for me. That being said, I still enjoyed the movie well enough and it makes me happy that it led to Renee Rapp getting more attention than she was before.
I watched OG mean girls with a group of people who were 6-10 years younger than me (I’m 28) and they were all so offended by it 😭 I was like, it’s satire?? And this is how high schoolers talked when I was in middle school, it’s a snapshot making fun of the sh!tty culture of the time.
That's crazy cause I'm around that age range and everyone i know loves the OG Mean Girls 😅
@@bemiatto67same?? I’m 19 and everyone I know loves and respects mean girls as a cult classic
Thank you so much for the musical theatre commentary videos!!
Wicked is definitely going to be better than Mean Girls the musical because they actually have actors who can sing and the lead role at least from the Snippets of songs that have been in the trailers sounds like she can sing and also Ariana Grande is famous so she's good singing I'm just wondering is she good at singing Broadway that's the question
omg another video i will watch everyday for like half a year to avoid forming even a single independent thought thank you 😍
This video is so late. I'm maxxed out on Mean Girls content at this point. I'll have to come back to this one later because I love your videos.
The line from Tina Fey “that’s a great way to take money away from my union” when Cady says she’s homeschooled…. WHAT??? Not only does it not make any sense it’s clumsy. What teacher would say that?? It’s not funny!! Entirely apart from all the other crap in this, every line they added sounds like it was written by AI
Hearing Stupid with Love after listening to the original Broadway cast version is like being drugged. How are all these songs so autotuned and overproduced yet so lazy and low energy at the same time??
This is why I haven’t watched the movie yet, I knew I’d get angry hahah
Honey wake up Henry uploaded a video on Mean Girls the movie the musical the movie of the musical
Of the book
26:11 MOUNTPORT MENTIONED 🔥🔥🔥🔥
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Sweet lord I’m the 43-year-old in here. Clueless is our movie. I think they made this movie about 5 years early to catch the right mother-daughter generational difference.
Yep I grew up immersed in Mean Girls and I’m only 30. Sure, old enough to have kids, but not kids old enough to be really “getting” this remake
@@maddieb.4282 I’m turning 30 and missed the boat on both of them.
26:08 I’m screaming, that’s one of my favorite Game Changer bits lmao
When Bryce Hall would have been a better male lead you did something wrong
Oh no it's gonna be a cult classic
I'm only 2 minutes in, loving it so far, but I need to know... where did you get the print behind you!?
i'm sorry, they change the aspect ratio every time regina sings???? who watched that and decided, yep, that looks fine and not jarring at all
Thank you for another educational video, Harry 😗💖
Also if I was to revise mean girls musical I would make the narrator's Katie Damien and Janice and I basically try to match the thing from Mean Girls that worked and mesh the things in the musical that worked because that'll be that we create the perfect musical movie
MOUNTPORT MENTIONED ???!!!
If anyone hasn’t watched Reneé sing World Burn on here from 2019 go do it right now, she is INSANE!!!! She was such a powerhouse in this film and did the best with what she was given. Reneé, Auli and Jacquel carried this film on their backs for sure
29:18 No. Neither demographic would like this movie. Because it's straight-up bad.
Your editing is top tier😂😂😂
Harry I need the Little Shop of Horrors crossover with Andy King on my desk by Monday
When you started playing Halloween from Be More Chill I started rolling around on the floor laughing. Thank you for expressing what I’ve always felt when I hear Sexy from Mean Girls.
Not a fan of the original movie, not interested in watching a middling adaptation of an adaptation, but will always tune in to watch you talk about anything. And I would go out of my way to see you play Seymour in Little Shop. Thanks for posting just when I needed a lift!
good takes. the #1 fault of the movie is they were constantly working around the lack of musical talent / star power of the lead.
I love the Be More Chill reference 12:28
the game changer clip during i see stars made me laugh so hard omfg
THE MOUNTPORT REFERENCE GOT YOU THE SUB LETS GOOOO!
this video gave me huge Beyoncé vibes …
take my guitar… take your guitar? 😮
I did just enjoy it because I went for Renee lmaooo I really liked the Halloween party was my favorite part. It was really good the dancers and shifting of the camera was so good
you couldn’t have summed it up better
“Take your guitar?” “Take it :)”
Oh my god youre so right about the big light thing lmao