The Rise and Fall of the Boy Scouts | WSJ
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- The Boy Scouts of America filed for bankruptcy in February, amid a decline in membership at the century-old organization. Here’s how the largest youth organization in the country found itself filing for bankruptcy. Photo: AP/Rick Bowmer
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The scouts will never die, some dad out there will have a scout manual and a group of kids and they will learn about the world even if there isn’t a business behind it.
I look forward to being a Pinewood Derby dad.
@@dustinmorrison6315 Since I never got to do boy scouts, If I ever have a son, that's probably the first thing I'm gonna try
There shouldn’t be a business behind it. A dad with a book is plenty good enough imo.
patrick c it is all the way until you get eagle. There is a process for that that has to go through the system. Also, certain camps and high adventure bases are owned by the bsa
And that's how Baden Powell would prefer it.
As a Boy Scout, this hurt to watch
Go woke go broke.
Agreed. I got my eagle just before they lost the church
Hang in there Bro👊🏿
Stay Safe Ok...
Agreed.
Glad I left.
I’m in civil air patrol now
Bad people and poor management destroyed perhaps the greatest youth organization in America, they can come back and grow if they okay it smart... I hope
What do you mean by poor management
@@jocaingles8464 Those in charge do not listen to their base, chased off the Mormons, and a lot of the baptist which are 2 of their larger groups. I hope they learned and start to rebuild, all my greatest memories are in scouting.
Agreed they have failed as an organization
The left will destroy it because it stands for family principles, helping and masculinity.
Andrew Asante I agree
There’s more to it than just what was said on this video, the Boy Scouts have regulated so many activities that youth enjoy. This includes water gun fights, dodgeball, mechanical bulls, bubble ball, you name it. If there is even the slightest risk of injury, it’s banned. This is not how it was years ago, and the program is simply not as fun and interesting as it used to be for youth. It’s been moving in the wrong direction for years and haven’t learned from their mistakes.
Slade Young very true- the organization was taken over by social workers and full time professionals rather than adult leaders with sons in the program. BSA was killed by single mothers.
Slade Young My Scouter threw me off from a waterfall in 2010 in Mexico, I was super afraid of heights and he told me: “Just breathe and count to 3” I was like cool! 1... 2..... and he pushed me haha, I lost fear of heights that weekend and I became a Diver trough HS and I won some prices.
Adam Smith totally agree, my child just started Boy Scouts. I was very surprised that 85% of troops in my area are run by stay at home moms.
Also the amount of severely obese adults running things, I’m not judging them.I can’t help but think how can they do the wilderness activities/programs, or if someone got hurt hiking I don’t think they could carry a kid out.
Blame snowflake americans, they are just too litigious. It leaves organization to have a proactive approach on handling "dangerous" activities lest they become liable and get sued. Also, in a USA where kids cant go to the bus stop unaccompanied, it's no wonder the BSA have a hard time.
A lot of it comes down to the scoutmaster, there is still a lot you can do if one, (you find a loophole) or two, you forget to mention the activity. If something bad happens, you won’t be covered by BSA insurance so just be reasonable
As a Eagle Scout, this is tragic. This organization was so good for so many young people
You are not a former Eagle but rather an Eagle for life.
We are always eagles, brother. Be proud
Eagles are forever. Never lose that
BryceLovesTech clearly NOT an Eagle Scout as that’s not really a rank it’s more like an Award, in that it’s for life. Why do you think they sometimes say on the news about some middle aged guy who was a Good Samaritan “he is an Eagle Scout” not “he was”
I was gonna say you're always an Eagle Scout, but my brothers here beat me to it.
In France, it is the contrary. The number of boy scouts is rising since 6 years by 5% a year.
Aymeric Bourguignat My father’s American and we live in France and I’ve really wanted to be a Boy Scout but there’s no real place to do those kind of activities here
They must focus on surrendering or something, right?
Il y a pas de scandal concernant la pédophilie ... enfin pour l’instant c’est uniquement dans l’église...
Maybe I should move to France...
Do the Boy Scouts in France have thousands of kid touchers too?
The abusers should be buried under the prison for what they have done. Go after the abusers, not the program. Most of the abusers are long gone and attacking the program only hurts the current scouts, not the perpetrators.
The issue is that the BSA knew and they let it happen because they didn’t want to tarnish their reputation.
@@No-One-of-Consequence Thank you for pointing out your personal experiences with BSA after being abused in the program. I've been very impressed with how forthright and sincere BSA has been, both in their actions (as you point out) and in words.
Regarding the video, there seem to be several misunderstandings. First, BSA has every intention of continuing the scouting program uninterrupted. Second, BSA didn't let girls join solely because they needed members. Girls have been requesting to join BSA for decades. Lastly, the Youth Protection guidelines are strictly enforced at Troop, Council, and National levels. I've experienced this personally.
@@No-One-of-Consequence I'm sorry for what happened but your same attitude should be used in regards of the catholic church too, just as the abuser infiltrated a good movement in the boy scouts they did the same in the church, some of them reached a high hierarchy of command and protected some of them, but please go and check what pope francis did and tell me if that isn't an incredible clean up job.
Also it went good for you but in other boy scouts groups there has been mismanagement and protection for the abuser, this same horrible stuff happens in hospitals, schools or any place with large groups of kids, please go after the abusers and the ones enabling them; not the whole group.
Abusers you mean sodomites? BSA votes to let in sodomites as scoutmasters years later declares bankruptcy for sexual abuse of the boys. coincidence I am sure.
@@ChaplainBobWalkerBTh Boys were being sexually assaulted by straight men for decades. I was assaulted in 1982 -- a full 31 years before the scouts "voted for the sodomites."
Their membership is falling because parents are forcing kids to get in it. There’s not as much in it for kids as there used to be.
Agree
I disagree
N0rdicLLama why
I was forced into it but after a year but after a while I generally started to like it but other people feel like they don’t want to be there. I wish people would appreciate it more. I appreciate the parents who did it because they get a better chance in life.
My wife and I were den leaders. But, we pulled back after two years. The reason was due to other parents:
- Kids entering pinewood derby cars that were clearly bought on Ebay. Heck, one kid literally told me that his dad hired a carpenter to make it for him. The kicker is that these cars were allowed to compete. Our kid made it on his own.
- Parents signing off on activities that the kid clearly didn't complete. Sure, your kid did a triathalon on the same day they visited city hall, watched a court proceeding at the county courthouse, got a tour of the local fire station,and made a stop-motion movie with legos.
You hear a lot about "little league" parents. But, you never hear about "Cub Scout/Boy Scout parents".
In WSJ’s article about the bankruptcy a week or two ago, they mentioned that 70% of the organization’s assets are held by local chapters. I imagine the BSA will weather chapter 11 and come out on the other side, potentially in a different structure than we knew it previously.
Ross Campoli - Leadership & Business Videos at least inside of my council, over 90% of our budget for the council is raised and spent inside of our council area, council owns 4 scout camps and only 1% of the money we raised last year was mandated to go to national council
Brinley Bruening my younger siblings and my child are in Boy Scouts, each scout has their own scout account. Money they personally raised goes into account to help pay for camps, activities etc. I’m in Maine is this how it works nationwide?
My child just started Boy Scouts, so I don’t know much about how it works
@@Ashley0491 This is how it typically works nationwide.
Best thing that could happen would be to see an end to boy scouts being run by a few people on the national level, many of whom don't represent the values of 90% of the organization they run.
Prob should’ve kept girls in the Girl Scouts but heavily focused on adding/refocusing the Girl Scouts on outdoor ed/survival than selling cookies. Many girls don’t want to just sell cookies every year. Who would? Girls want to have fun too. Wouldn’t it be more relatable too?
Oh you were in the Girl Scouts? What’d you do?
I learned archery.
Really? Me too!
Did you learn how to boil water and start a fire as well?
Yeah!
Cool! Let’s go camping!
The thing is Girls scouts just sucks from what I hear. It is very parent led, meaning the scouts don't make any decisions. A lot of troops in bsa is scout led, leading to more freedom and choices.
Also the boy scouts is a completely separate corporation from the girl scouts. I think the girl scouts actually sued the bsa after they decided to allow girls
@@jakobf7187 That is true, the irony is every time the BSA appeased the left the more they got sued.
girl scouts is a separate organization. if girls wanted to learn how to shoot guns, rough it in the wilderness, and cook on a backpacking trip, they couldn't. now the girls can do boy scout stuff, because the girls are boy scouts now
@@averagejoey2000 Not really boy scouts at that point isn't it?
As a Boy Scout my self who made it to Eagle rank, its hard to see this organization go. The life lessons and life long memories and adventures I’ve had will be with me to the day I die. RIP Boy Scouts!
Jordan Bakos same. Eagle here. I'll always be thankful for the BSA, it made me who I am today.
Eagle here as well, Troop 520 California, I donate yearly and I got an email saying it's not going away, only the national organization is part of the bankruptcy, individual councils, which were always financially independant, will stay running with new policies and safeguards for new scouts. Scouts was the best, I am who I am thanks to scouts and couldn't be happier. I think it will be ok eventually, still huge in the Midwest.
Me too
Eagle too. Hopefully it won’t effect us on the troop level too much
Eagle as well. It really hurts hearing this story.
That’s sad, a tradition that was passed through generations is now lost.
1.Fund it instead by government on the city level so town hall mayors.,we could use some city folk to follow the path of Teddy Roosevelt
2.To stay relevant and leverage,we must show that the scouts are a good alternative to any other leisure activity to keep members and must allow a big stream of new members.
It’s not over I’m still in scouts pending my eagle board of review and my troop as well as most of the other local troops are still going strong. It will only die if people stop caring about it
@Atticus Bartlet There's an atheist in my scout troop. I'm non denominational. I guess it depends on the troop, our troop has a mix of regular people. Troop 6, Dan Beard council
It’s not lost, just going through some trouble, Boy Scouts can never die, never
@@samwaterlord6888 it will slowly be run over by rainb0W and will not be Boy Scouts
Buddy the time has gone in this inclusion society
As an Eagle Scout myself, their decline was inevitable. Being a Boy Scout just isn't held in the same light that it once was in American culture, and as mentioned in the video, there are other alternatives for boys do take part in as extracurricular activities. And this is even before accounting for the years of sexual abuse that were recently uncovered.
Eagle scout here, lemme guess you also got your eagle scout 2 days before your 18th birthday 😂
Pokemology what does anything he say make that even a question?
Pokemology I got it the day before lol
Lonely Chameleon I total agree with u I’m a Boy Scout myself rn and boys nowadays just think of Boy Scouts as a nerd thing or un cool and because of the lack of people wanting to join my troop is dying ands it’s just a matter of months until the older boys running the troop become eagle
Even when I was a Boy Scout pre-2010 it was seen a “dorky” & uncool.
I was a boy scout, but my mom never let me do any of the cool stuff, she was surprised when I said I wanted to stop going
Why?
Let me state up front; I am not suggesting that there were incidents of abuse that were not dealt with well, or at all. But BSA has responded far better than most others, even as the ambulance chasers troll for victims from whom they can steal settlement money at usurious levels. Victims should be compensated and counselled, and BSA has been doing that already.
All the name callers and rock throwers please tell us how you would keep sick people from preying on children. There are no foolproof ways, and psychologists will tell you that there is no way to absolutely identify the predators. Most people posting on this have no actual understanding of what is going on, nor know much about the BSA other than narrow stereotypes that are inaccurate or completely wrong.
Yes there was abuse that, was not handled by today's standards,decades ago. But compared to most other youth serving groups, the BSA tried to find a way to block them in that era, and have constantly improved their barriers with updated information and resources. The so called press, yellow that is, just wants to beat on the BSA for having the audacity to try and teach basic civic pride and respect. The legal system needs a serious overhaul with its attitude that you can change history and past cultural errors by dragging them into today and applying today's standards. They also have a predator lawyers that only want to find a so called deep pocket to steal from; who cares what is being destroyed and how the truth is that no amount of money can right the mistakes and poor judgement from before. Also, they never publish the actual truth and facts; BSA is the template for youth protection today, something conveniently ignored in the rush to paint them as villains. They tried to keep predators away decades ago, but society was different and did not process things the same, and families often chose to keep abuse, especially sexual, quiet. The fact that files exist is proof that the BSA tried to do something, and now those files are being used against them. What purpose is being served by trying to destroy a group that overall teaches youth to be good citizens and to be unselfish? What is the matter with people that they seem to get happiness in the soiling of a positive element of society?
The media needs to tell the whole story, not just the worst parts. But, positive press they think will not sell. this is reflective of our society as a whole. Reality TV and its tendrils are dragging us all into the mud. For some reason, too much of the populace seems unable to celebrate the positive, rather than ogle and often actually spotlight the worst elements of society, even making excuses for so called leaders at the highest levels, and putting crudeness on a pedestal. And they do this even as they gleefully drag over all positive elements into the dirt.
Spoken like someone who’s had to defend the Scouts many times.
Isabel Zellmann-Rohrer most of us involved have to, it’s a program that has allowed me to build amazing friendships and lifelong skills. Scouting has done nothing but help me over the last decade and I love the program. The organization has taken major steps protecting the youth involved (even 11 year olds know that YPT means youth protection training) no adult is even allowed one on one with a kid. There were some stretches where the only friends I had were in scouting, and without this constant in my life, I don’t know where I would be today. So yes, most of us defend the program and organization vigorously, because the program has been a defining part of our lives and we will not allow it to just be referred to as some child sex ring from the 60’s. We’re there problems, yes, but the good outweighs the bad
Keep in mind that this is just the US top-level organisation, the levels below it including the individual groups and Scouting worldwide are still going strong.
Sadly.
@@soupycask I don't know what your experience is, but Scouts is a massive part of my life. and an amazing opportunity I wish I had taken earlier. I owe some of my best memories to scouts. I can't speak for elsewhere in the world but I've had nothing but good experiences with scouting in Australia.
BS votes to let in sodomites as scoutmasters a short time later declares bankruptcy for sexual abuse of the boys. coincidence I am sure.
ain't the majority of sexual abuse cases from the 60s and 70s tho?
@@bilis2866 no the abuse cases are recent. ever hear of the statute of limitations. These abuse cases must be within the last 7 year. you know since the scouts accepted sodomites.
As a former Boy Scout, now moving on as a 20 year old in college, this really pains me to see that the BSA had to go and the reasoning on why it changed to just the Scouts. The Boy Scouts were there for a reason and that was to create boys that would become stronger, braver and more intelligent to know a variety of things that they would possibly do in their future lives. Even have benefits of the skills when they would have a wife and kid(s). From where it has gone, it is definitely not the same as before and I hate seeing it transition into this way.
When I signed my 3 boys into Scouts I had people asking me if I was afraid to let them camp. My answer was no, I became a leader and knew exactly what was going on. Other Moms were happy their sons had a Mom to watch over them. Our Scouting years were the best ever. 12 years as a leader, and 3 Eagle Scouts, I'm sad to see the program change so much. It was a GREAT program for boys to be boys!! Happy I experienced the program before all the changes!
My troop prided itself on helping it’s members grow into responsible young adults ready to deal with the world ahead of them. My scout master was one of the greatest men I have ever known and when he passed away dozens of Eagle Scouts that he had pushed to improve themselves came to show their respects. I know there are bad troops out there but a good troop can change the lives of hundreds of people for the better. I wouldn’t be the person I am today without the scouting program.
In Denmark scouts are doing great. It's starting to evolve into a counter-movement to the growing amounts of children who haven't experienced nature.
carl madsen this is great
I hope the scout masters/leaders are thoroughly screened and monitored.
@@cristobalbrown-salinas9548 of cause, nobody is selected as leader if their background nor incentive is acceptable
I recently attended the World Scout Jamboree, and the European nations know what they are doing when it comes to scouting, they make Scouting look backwards here in the states.
@@whobutwbmarci5200 Ah yes, the internet ideology, “Everything is better in Europe “
I was camping for a Boy Scout program and was molested by a camp counselor when I was 7. Tried to tell my scout leader and he accused me of lying. Thankfully the guy is in prison now and the scout leader is not in the scouts anymore.
I was a Boy Scout in the mid to late 60's. Troop 91, Longmeadow MA. One of the best experiences in my life. I was happy to see that there was no charge of abuse for our troop. Go Cobra patrol!!!
One issue for scouting is some troops switching from scout led to parent led.
Koowing how much Boy Scouts has given me. How much I owe to my scoutmaster, fellow scouts, and family. Knowing that I wouldn't and couldn't be the person I am today without it. It hurts my heart to see it come to this. I've been watching my old troop while at college. Trying to help out as much as I can. Once this quarantine is over, I'm going home and making sure that the troop that I hold so dear to my being is thriving. I don't want their experiences be compromised due to this and other factors that ruin the experience. PS I needed to write this out. Mostly therapeutic for me.
I was a Boy Scout and I’ll be honest the men that volunteered to spend time and share knowledge with where great guy and I don’t know of any misdoings in our troop
Indonesia Have The Most Members Because Its Mandatory, They Even Wear Scout Uniform For School Every Wedneday
Pramuka isn’t the same organisation as scouts. Different entity.
Same in Thailand here
@@AlfredOrcaCat talking to me or him (or both)?
p.s. accidentally deleted my comment
@@MinePlayersPE why would he be talking to you, you weren't even in the convo yet
Here's what happened. The boy scouts of America was made to teach boys how to be good men. Then they lost sight of that. I am LDS, and I was a scout for year's. The only reason I've stuck with them in recent years is because I've put in to much work not to get my eagle. I'm sad about this
A once great moral organization I once held in high esteem now shadow of it's former self.
Robert, the Scout Oath, Law, Motto and Slogan have not changed. The "moral" organization is still right there. Now if by "moral" you mean discriminatory towards non-normative individuals, then I can't help you.
@@gorramnelf sir i dont belive in treating people with hate this is not jesus, s way nor. Is it mine i show people the love christ and what i mean as far as morals as defined in gods word.
I never had an interest in Boy Scouts, but this is actually really sad.
Don’t be it’s not as good as the comments make it out to be
I became an Eagle Scout and left the Boy Scouts in 2016... this all really started in 2017...
It started before 2013 with 13 being the watershed
I was once a Boy Scout, one of the favorite parts of my life.
well i guess thats my cue to finish eagle now
My son's in your same situation. Finish it and be done.
Lol🤣🤣 I just finished mine
In the same boat with you
My grandfather used to say that "boys scouts are children dressed as idiots, and idiots dressed as children".
😂😂😂
Your grandfather is an idiot.
Your grandfather clearly did not have any respect in his life
What did your grandfather do again? What did he achieve in life
Lol he clearly didn't know any thing about boyscouts like most people now a days
I was a Boy Scout and I loved every second of it. Maybe not the church stuff but it started my life long obsession with camping. If they weren't anti gay, anti girl and potential child molesters my kids would be in it. I never experienced any of that in my time though. I just learned to love and live off nature and play American Pie on the guitar.
Same here, Eagle Scout in the early 2000’s. My troop met at a church but outside of a short prayer to start the meetings we did no religious stuff. I was a star or life when the Supreme Court had the gay ruling. The troop masters were so happy about it and and I didn’t get it the hatefulness until a friend told me he quit because he was 14 and trying to find his sexual identity and the slurs during one camp out made him feel unsafe. We were just kids who loved being outdoors and learning. Not sure if I’ll encourage my kids to join.
You deeply missed out, August. Boy Scouts was truly a remarkable program of applied Christianity. The organization was hijacked by progressive people with your mentality, who have incorrect notions of gender and marriage!
“God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.” - Genesis 1:27
“Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.” - Genesis 2:24
I was in scouts growing up, but I’m doubting I would put my kids in it. There was so much red tape to go through because a few individuals caused problems for everybody. There were also other kids who clearly were in the troop because their parents wanted somebody else to babysit their son for free. Looking back now, I appreciate all of the things I learned and got to do, but I would rather just do those things with just my family and maybe some close friends. I can teach my kids everything in the handbook and take them camping without having to be responsible for somebody else’s bratty kid. I also don’t want to deal with other parents on a power trip because they’re “assistant scoutmaster”.
MR Jack Good Point
i just don't want my kid to get abused
It’s worth it. I am an eagle as of this year and I think without scouting I wouldn’t be the person I am today. Use the book to raise your kids even if they don’t join BsA
I was a scout too and though about putting my kids in it but I can’t support an organization that fought for their right to be discriminatory and then shielded child abusers. I have the same use for them as I do for the Catholic Church.
I made eagle in 1972, started in scouting around 1966? Our troops were all had locally oriented leaders. About all leaders had a son (or two) in the troop. My son joined scouts in 2000, I was more than happy to volunteer to help, but within a few months we both could tell scouts were not anything like the stories I shared with my son. It is sad things have gone the way they have for scouting, but I still have my memories.
Boy Scouts failed to innovate when competition moved in and was much too slow to react to their diminishing numbers. Add in the multiple (and ongoing) controversies and it spells out a disappointing but deserved ending for what used to be a revered community organization. 🤷🏼♂️
Josslin Mynutz - Offin
I agree. This is a professional unlike the comment section we are in.
@@whathell6t Thanks Johny, glad to see at least some professional discourse happening in here! 😅
@Josslin Mynutz - Offin Thanks Josslin!
I used to love BOY Scouts, but an annoying mom was one of the leaders and her son got eagle scout by 16 without doing most of the stuff while she wouldn’t let me advance to first class for 18 months because she didn’t like how I did my cooking requirements. I would have stayed but she held me back for so long I was doing stuff with kids 3-4 years younger than me
After BSA enrollment started to decline, the same trend happened with the Armed Services. I do not believe it was a coincidence.
I only spent a few months in boy scouts as a child living in Utah. Because it quickly became apparent that if you were not mormon, you were not welcome in the scouts there.
This makes boy scouts look so professional in a lot of are meetings and camp outs we just screw around a lot of the time
They need to change their name to just "Scouts of America".
On 1 February 2019 the boy Scouts Of America changed the name of it's flagship program to 'Scouting BSA''.
@@SchuylerT.Colfax They forgot to drop "A"
It’s now called BSA Be a Scout of America, I’m not kidding
Scouts of America sounds great! Allow everyone to join and build it up from there.
@@polarbear9761 So, we can't have kids of both genders work together so they learn to cooperate? Perhaps alienating kids from each other isn't an answer?
Plus, if it just becomes "Scouts of America" you can have activities that center on girls AND boys. You can have each group do different things if you want. It's just it's all under the SAME organization. Boys can STILL have their focus and so can the girls.
I am a current boy scout and have been to national jamboree, world jamboree, Seabase, and will go on a Council trip to Europe this summer. And I can say that the boy scouts are still one of, if not the best organizations in the country. Yes we are ridiculed for being called nerds, but I have become such a better person because of the program and opportunities they provide, and have learned things that only a handful of boys in the nation has ever known and experienced. It is hard to watch this, because I know that people that aren't in the program will think that this is what boy scouts has become of, but I know the truth. And that's good enough for me.
Was a 2014 Eagle, this hurt me but I knew it was coming even back then
Video Games are probably the #1 reason for the declining membership. But that's not to say Video Games are bad.
Upper management in the BSA needs to change. They have banned everything fun and as a Boy Scout, I don’t appreciate it!
My son and daughter are in Scouts and I am a Leader in the program. I believe in the Cub Scout and Boy Scout program. It teaches them life long skills and do things they normally don’t do at home. Like in all programs of different things outside Boy Scouts, there are always bad apples but should not over shadow the good this program does. Plus you have to take into consideration that there are other activities such a as: competitive sports, STEM, arts, music, etc that compete, which also impact membership. Lastly, the involvement of parents is very important in the program, all of us that help out are volunteers and what motivates me are the smiles and joy I see when kids and parents participate.
Karlos del aguila People like u really do help the scouts and we r thankful. But part of the problem are the parents. They force their way on scoutmasters and other scouts or they make their kid do it which just ruins the experience for everyone else
The homosexualization of the BSA is the primary reason for the sudden, precipitous decline of the organization. The three largest groups of boys - Mormons Catholics and Southern Baptists - no longer support the BSA.
The number of homosexuals were tiny.
The BIG change was admitting girls, and having the mothers of girls be able to crab and complain to change the program to what was of interest to GIRLS. Those mothers will drive men and Fathers out of Scouting the way they drove men and fathers out of Girl Scouts.
After being an adult leader in BSA from 1981-2018, I let my membership lapse when girls were admitted.
I thought they said "be prepared"
😂
As a Scoutmaster this broke my heart.
I remember doing scouting as a kid it was nice it was fun
Most importantly I learned
Granite not as big have a thing in my life as it was back then
But the fond memories and the real life events that have taking place do put a damper on me too
U mums r to blame.
Both of my boys were Eagle Scouts and I was directly involved as were many other fathers and sons from our church. It was an excellent program. We were criminal background checked and under went child safety training each year. We practiced two deep leadership trying to keep two adults with the boys at all times. Further, we tried never to be fully alone with any boy at any time or to be in a place that was expected to be private and we went to areas where people could walk through at any time. The mistake BSA made was after settling all the law suits and cleaning house was to go WOKE and allow girls and the LBGTQ people into the program. This is a leadership building program for young men of good moral character. I am sure this is why the Mormons left since they practice Christian values. All religions are welcome but a faith in God is required in the scout oath. If the scouts hold to their original values and stay with the churches then they will rebuild. We need a program like this as so many kids now are without fathers, not active in anything that is not a video game, and not ready to enter the military. Lord Powell in England saw all of this and started the Scouts to correct it. We can only hope the Scouts come back to develop leadership skills in young people.
It's simpler than that, the leadership lost its integrity
I earned my Eagle rank in 1973 at age 15. My two younger brothers followed. It breaks my heart to see this. A very special part of Americana has been lost.
Okay, some people need to stop blaming the fall of BSA on the girls. If anything, it's helping BSA because it's allowing more people to join and pay them. It is in no way the girls fault that they're going bankrupt. Reading comments that say that girls and gays should get their own scouting organization or that it's their fault that BSA is going bankrupt makes me a little angry because it make zero sense. And that's coming from a scout.
I recently earned my Eagle Scout just 1 month ago, and to see this happening to an organization I owe so much to is heartbreaking.
I was a Cub Scout, Webelos, and Boy Scout through the 1980s. It was only when I got to high school and wanted to join the football team as a sophomore, wanting to be more social that I eventually left. I couldn’t manage both. I can’t imagine all the distractions that a modern Boy Scout would have to deal with now.
Meanwhile, the Girl Scouts of America who teach fiscal responsibility through their cookie selling program, don’t seem I have the same issues.
Another poster here said it best: Being a Boy Scout now doesn’t mean as much now in America as it once did.
Eagle Scout here, Troop 82 SC. After receiving my rank in 2018, I started to fall back on doing anything with my troop. We were already in a bit of turmoil, with our Scout master announcing that ge would be quitting, and our ASM having to take over. At least he had been there for my ceremony. But anyway, I did go back a few times, as my family was urging me to, and I was genuinely curious about what was going on. After our Scout mastet left there were next to no Scouts there anymore. Everyone in our troop just seemed to go their seperate ways. And now with this going on, I don't think my troop will be getting back together anytime soon. I'll never forget the BSA and the life lessons that it has taught me that have made me the man I am today.
the downfall of the scouts started in the 70's when trying to appeal to everyone they changed there emphasis from outdoors skills towards computers and other indoor activities. compare a scout handbook from the 60s to a current handbook. the 60s books were full of hands on experiments and things to build. Today's are full of School like activities, write a paper, research a scientist. In trying to appeal to everyone over the last 40 years they became not much good to anyone.
I’m just happy we’re still able to do it. I joined this last year, and they went bankrupt. I had always wanted to be in the BSA since my dad always said all of the stories and here I am! I’m extremely happy that I’m still able to be in my troop.
I was In the Boy Scouts for several years and then switched to “Trail Life USA” Trail life was by far the superior program, it was high adventure based, meaning we did a lot of climbing, white water rafting, backpacking, ETC. it is also “Boy lead” which means that the youth do most of the planning (with adult supervision), the youth elect a team of youth leaders who serve a 6 month term, the youth leaders come up with ideas, look into pricing, travel and everything else then bring it to the Adults for approval. It is a great organization for developing leadership skills and life skills. I highly recommend.
Idk that just sounds like my Boy Scout troop. We’re fully independent and everything you described applies to my troop. Guess some are just better than others…
@@gavinthecrafter The organization he describes matches with plenty of troops that I have met as well as Venture Crews.
I loved being in scouting, it taught me a lot. Still have my handbook and pocket knife from the 60s
Boy scouts started admitting GIRLS?
What desperation.
Internationally, it's not even known as "boy Scouts". As far as I know it, it's just USA that calls it that
Let's stop using this word "boy scouts", just use "scouts"
Boy means Boy Period im proud to be an Eagle Scout and a Man now THANK YOU!! BSA
As an eagle scout, it's really unfortunate to see the BSA falling apart due to sexual assaults that happened in the 60s and 70s. My experience with the BSA certainly did not include sexual assault and the BSA implements many rules to prevent things like that from happening. It is forbidden (and has been for a long time) for an adult leader to be alone with a scout. There must be 2 adults present at all times if scouts are around. It really is unfortunate. Also, I don't think trans boys or girls should be allowed in the BSA, but it's probably not a bad thing to sever ties with the Mormon church. They did not contribute much to the secular scouting arena besides money
I made Eagle Scout in 1987. Scouting was a fundamental part of my life in from junior high school through the end of my Senior year in high school. To be blunt, I doubt I would have graduated from high school without Scouting...my home life was horrible. When I was in Scouting, it was immediate post Vietnam war and anything that resembled the military in even the mildest way was looked down on. I knew some bad folks in Scouting, but also a lot of very cleancut, all American, wonderful people. A lot of it depended on the Troop you were in...some were better than others...you had to shop around and find the Troop that suited you. I am not involved in Scouting anymore, but my impression is certain elements of American society want to water Scouting down like crazy and would not complain if Scouting went away. I know an individual firsthand who is like that. I worked at Philmont Scout Ranch one summer in 1986 and worked with a lot of Mormons out of Utah at Philmont. Because of that experience I learned the Mormon Church was a huge supporter of the BSA... including financially. When I read the Mormon Church had pulled out of the BSA during the Obama years, I knew Scouting was going to be facing some tough times.
I've been a part of boyscout here in the Philippines in accordance of being part of academics in school during the elementary when I was a 4th-grader way back in 2004.
As an Eagle Scout many of the formative moments of my youth came through scouting. Even if the organization changes there will always be those who realize its immense value. I can't tell you the value of just the Eagle Award, when you tell people, they instantly trust you more because it is one of the few things in life you literally cannot bs your way through. The BSA is probably the single best organization for character building of youth.
I was lucky that I got to experience Boy Scouts before all of it went downhill. It makes me sad that this is happening. I got to experience so much in my childhood that I wouldn’t otherwise learn as a kid without those programs. Scout camps, social skills, merit badges, camping trips, surviving in the wild. It really is a shame
I have some great memories of being a boy scout. None of it was bad, NONE OF IT. I would give anything to experience brotherhood like that again, I was in troop 303.
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I was an adult volunteer leader in the Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts from 1981-2018. I quit in 2018 after girls were admitted.
There were two reasons for that:
1: Girls and boys have different needs, interests and abilities. Whenever you mic girls and boys together, you have to decide whether girls or boys will be favored in designing your program. As a practical matter, it is always girls whose needs, interests and abilities are favored, and the mothers of female Cub Scouts will insure that happens.
The reason I got involved in Scouting as an adult was to present a high quality program for boys. In my view, once girls were admitted that was no longer going to be possible.
2. Men are as scarce as hen's teeth in Girls Scouts, because they are DRIVEN out by women. The result is often a poor quality program since women really lack the skills, ability and experience to manage an outdoor program effectively.
Unhappy mothers of girls in Scouting program will inevitably cast aspersions upon men they don't like as leaders. I left because I did not want to wait around for my reputation to be besmirched by mothers.
3. Scouting ---- is now an ideologically "woke" organization bent upon indoctrinating children in the values of wokeness and left wing social theories. It's a 180 degree change from the traditional values of Scouting.
The most obnoxious thing is a new Merit Badge required to obtain the Eagle ran. This amounts to being a "DEI Merit Badge" in which children must study and subscribe to the values of Wokeness.
In short, rather than being preserved, "Scouting America" really needs to be destroyed.
And I say that as someone who was a volunteer leader for 37 years.
Very sad.
Church of Jesus Christ of Later-Day Saints. Not "Mormon Church". Thanks Wall Street!
At least they put it at the bottom of the screen, but still
I can tell you've been listening to what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day saints' president was saying, man. Nice. 👍
I went through the whole scout program in Canada from Cubs to Rovers. Breaks my heart to see that the Scouts are now a mere shadow of what they once were. I don’t keep in touch with people I went to high school with, however I do correspond on a regular basis with some that I was with in Scouts. We learned a lot of great life skills that were never covered in a classroom. Too bad subsequent generations will not get that same education from decent adults.
I’m guilty of making my kid attend. That was a mistake. Don’t force your kids into anything because they won’t try.
Beck S. How is that wrong to go the cases are from more then 30 years ago
General Den I don’t understand your question. I was referring to my insistence that my child attends the scouts.
I want the good old Boy Scouts back
Boy scouts started going down when they walked away from the tenants they were founded on it's not just child molestation, even though that's a big reason too.
Hey, maybe don't put suggested links over the text you want the viewer to read at the end of the video.
Girls. That’s what killed it.
No, it's the men that allowed them in.
Luckily I was never exposed to the flaws of the organization. I will always have fond memories of things I did, places I went, and of course the people I met.
I know that for many the Boy Scouts of America has left an indelible mark in their lives but there's a sense of corniness to it all that I just can't quite put my finger on.
The corniness is people decided to make jokes about them and then people started losing respect for the program. It’s a shame because the program has been essential to millions of lives and helping people live good and morally just lives. But of course being a decent human being isn’t fun so let’s make fun of those who want to be good people.
As someone who actually is getting his board of review for the Eagle Scout Award today, all I have to say is with the growth of technology and the internet, now in the portable factor of smartphones, the Boy Scouts of America will never be like it was before this day and age. There will only be a small, small handful of kids who are willing to take the journey seriously and will actually learn about nature and how to become fully independent in the end besides being with other kids in the troop for years (if they even stay that long). The only appealing things now are activities like kayaking and zip-lining, but to get some kid who doesn’t prefer their phone initially to try and show them another way of fun, learning, and determination, will be possible, but will forever constrain them. I wish the best for the organization, as it can and is something great, but will be handicapped from here on out.
I wish to get Eagle. I love our troop and I love to enjoy camping and try to use core scout ideals. Any tips? I'm Star currently.
I was a Scout from the late 60s until around 1974 -1975. I was an Eagle Scout. I remember when the Scout handbook was updated in the 70s. It seemed it had gone woke, although I did not know what woke meant back then. Very sad.
I was just looking at my handbook a few days ago
People don't understand that the NATIONAL organization going bankrupt doesn't mean the Boy Scouts are over. Most of the power and finances are in the local councils. A friend of mine just became an Eagle Scout, after the national organization went bankrupt.
This is some bad journalism, WSJ. Most of the information mentioned isn’t entirely correct. You can’t just cherry pick half-truths to get clicks...
As a Scout leader, I can tell you I’m doing my best to keep this going. So many Packs are dying. I don’t want this trend to be perpetuated. Scout programs are so important for our youth.
I know this is going to hurt but it's the truth anytime a boy or a man wants to have something just for themselves some feminist gets upset and cries that women don't have that boy scouts were created specifically for boys to be obedient loyal and good kind hearted people in our society and now what what do the boy scouts look like when take when a feminist got her way and now we can even call it boy scouts we have to call it scouts because it offends a feminist that doesn't even have anything to do with the boy scouts
My son wanted to be an Eagle Scout at an early age. But, he quit after a couple of years. The reason was due to other parents:
- Kids entering pinewood derby cars that were clearly bought on Ebay. Heck, one kid literally told me that his dad hired a carpenter to make it for him. The kicker is that these cars were allowed to compete. Our kid made it on his own.
- Parents signing off on activities that the kid clearly didn't complete. Sure, your kid did a triathalon on the same day they visited city hall, watched a court proceeding at the county courthouse, got a tour of the local fire station,and made a stop-motion movie with legos.
You hear a lot about "little league" parents. But, you never hear about "Cub Scout/Boy Scout parents".
I'm just here for the comments.....
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@@SnootchieBootchies27 that is a sound argument and I support it.
@@SnootchieBootchies27 I like lasagna. clam chowder, burgers, ribs, and every other day, protein powder.
I earned my Eagle Scout award in 1965 along with a Bronze, Gold and Silver Palms. In addition I was acknowledged as a "Distinguished Eagle Scout", a recognition afforded to very few Eagle Scouts.
After the Boy Scouts changes their position on the very moral foundation of Scouting I had enough and resigned and returned all my awards to their headquarters. I never received a call or letter in return. I actively oppose the organization and will not allow my grandsons (four) to become scouts!
It is a shame because I learned so many life skills that contributed to my success in life. I'm just not sure what they are teaching now!
My hope is that another organization will take up the banner the Boy Scouts tossed aside. I stand ready to support and work for such an organization.
I still don't understand why girls joined the Boy Scouts, aren't there Girl Scouts?
What's not said here is Scouting on a local level is alive and well, although lean. The lawsuits do not affect local councils unless the suit names them specifically. The main way the local groups and charter organizations are affected is the greatly increased national dues and expenses. The local troops and councils by in large are coping with the membership changes and in some cases thriving. There are millions of leaders and volunteers who still have the welfare of our nation's youth in their heart and are teaching character and life skills. Don't count us out yet.
Not trying to be mean here, but boy scouts of America should have only boys in it. Girl scouts should add a wider range of activities.
As one of the few first female Boy Scouts, this was difficult to watch. A few girls and I started a troop and we were almost shut down.
What happens in a scout's tent stays in the tent
Yet another good thing destroyed by wokeness.
Yh bro,
don't blame the fact they lost sponsors
Don't blame the fact they were involved in child sexual abuse
Don't blame the fact that times simply just changed with tech being more common, video games and all tell how many kid are interested in boyscout
Don't blame the fact that they failed to evolve with time
Don't blame the fact it just became unpopular among kids like so many other things that was around during those times.
Just blame Wokeness
I mean the wokeness is definitely why those sponsors withdrew. But the fact that it was such a Mormon stronghold may mean it wasn't that good of a thing.
@@juhfreak Mormons ? The people who believe in polygamy, the boys scout shouldn't have had ties with them in the first place, also they cut ties with the boys scout because of the acceptance of the lgbt community, which is even just dumb wasn't it the teaching of accepting everyone as all children of God and human as we are
@@ibejibenson1783 incel logic
In Indonesia Boy Scout was a big thing, but these day, it's dying.
Sad day, it feels weird being possibly one of the last eagle scouts in history
I feel you. I got eagle in 2015. I can't express how odd it is being unable to go back to my old scout troop. Things have changed so much.
Just because national is bankrupt doesn't mean all the councils are bankrupt. Scouting is not dead. If you ask me, it is better. Women are allowed in Scouting (which has been a long time coming) and all the safety stuff is up to date. Scouting will never die.
Also youth protection training is taken very seriously in local scout troops. Abuse, from what I hear, is at a low point.
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As an Eagle Scout, I can only hope that the program returns from this slump, and with the new values it has in place it could become more mainstream. The main thing is that scouting needs to be a choice, not something forced by parents.
Or you know, stay true to it's oath and uphold it's laws