I have always loved his skating. His artistry was never appreciated, he was masculine and ahead of his time. Others were doing ballet on ice and he was doing Kata. He was robbed of gold for sure. He made history with being the first to land the quad combo. Him and Michelle Kwan both greats that never won gold.
What a wonderful skater and young man what a jumper as well, which helps with triples and quads all the time, My children did Kung-Fu, and got their black belts in it as well, then my daughter went into skating, and it was a case of get a choreographer for her. . Yes, I totally agree with his marks being an ex marks compiler myself, judges are hard to forget a certain person, it takes years, before they get it right.. However Elvis is one of my favourite skaters so is Brian Boitano, Scott Davis etc.
All these years later (2023 now) and still -- if you're not classical and balletic, you get hammered on presentation marks. I have always loved this program, and now that I know something about Chinese martial arts, I'm even more impressed with how he integrated kung fu into this program. It's not balletic, but it's wonderful interpretation of the story from which the music was derived. I will always love me some Kurt Browning, but this program moved me to tears in 1994 and it still does.
'interpretation of the story from which the music was derived' is exactly why some of the artistic scores were too low. That is just uneducated judging.
I love me some Elvis Stojko!!! I always enjoyed watching him, especially in exhibition shows. At one show, i swore he waved at me!!!! My mom told me he waved to our section but i disagree. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 GOD bless 🙏❤️🙏
I always loved watching both Elvis and Kurt Browning skate. Watching each of them perform made me so proud to be a fellow Canadian. No matter the routine, you knew it was going to be EPIC! Canada has seen many incredible skaters over the years, but just like in rock'n'roll, Elvis will always be the King!
Almost 30 years ago, and I’ll never forget this program. I was a 16 year old skater at that time, and Elvis and Kurt inspired me to keep going. Through the pain, the sleepless nights, and the heartache.
26 years ago and I remember this amazing skate like yesterday!! Artistic marks given to him are disgusting! He was ROBBED of the gold. Thank you Elvis for giving so many of us such joy in watching your artistry! There will NEVER be another Elvis Stojko!
Came back to watch this after Moir and Virtue just won gold. I so remember this performance. Elvis was robbed of the gold. I have the feeling if anyone moved on quickly and did not let it get him down, that would be Elvis. Proud of Canada’s athletes. 🇨🇦
This was always my favorite routine of his. The music suited him, & also, at the time, that music had not been overused. It's a great piece of music, but it has been used for sooooo many things. When I saw this, it was the first time I had ever heard that music before.
I don't remember who represented the US, but I do remember Elvis from Canada. Elvis' performance in 1994's Olympics has stood out in my mind as an excellent, beautiful performance. Like I remember Krisit's long program from 1992 where she won the gold. I'm still sad that Elvis was robbed because he deserved gold. So happy to see this video 😊
He makes you understand figure skating and the relationship of the blade to the ice. No excessive upper body movement and yet passion and artistry that the judges missed. He was a great skater the way Baryshnikov was a great dancer. Will always be my yardstick with which to measure other skaters.
Just watching the Hudson and Rex episode he’s in recognized him right away, good to see his face again I’ll never forget his performance in this Olympics-🇨🇦😎🍻🥇✌️🖖
Elvis was the most ground breaking innovative skater. When he skated, you just felt it. Also, he should be commentating at the winter Olympics right now. Tara and Johnny ain't really cutting it.
how the f**k is he moving so smoothly!! I know nothing about figure skating but I am so captivated by he's movement that I'm afraid to bling and missed it he should have gotten the gold.
Apart from that first big mistake, when he popped a planned triple into a single, this is some of his finest skating. Every other jump after that was landed beautifully without any bobbles. What a shame!
Samantha Madden. I met him when i was a young little fellow in barrie at the arena used to always watch and bug him for his name signed on piece of paper he never said no . he always talked positivly he is a great man
They totally missed Elvis' point in this program. He should have at least gotten silver. He is one of the greats. Never compromised his own style even when it wasn't popular. He was always rock and roll to the judges favoured ballet music. He never wanted to be ballet and that is unfortunately all the Russian judges seem to care about. That gets boring after a few skaters. How many Carmen's can we stomach. lol
Funny you should say that, it reminded me of Phillipe Candeloro who finished a spot below him at Nagano. I forgot Stojko's routine, except that he as injured, but Candeloro's has stayed in my head since I first saw it when I was 8. That tells ya somethin' XD
Elvis was inspiring! He was big and Olympic! Where was the effing second gold medal here!!!!! Canadian federation should have protested!!!!!!! Still should! Absurd.
Actually, no. I adore Elvis and he was a major influence on jumpers in the sport. But the greatest jump skaters in terms of technique are Evgeni Plushenko and Yuzuru Hanyu. They have perfect air position, even stronger and faster rotation, and almost perfect form. They can also do three-jump combinations that Elvis just did not do. I expect that Yuzu will be the man to land the first quad axel. But neither would have made the strides in jumping that they did without Elvis's example. I think Plush would acknowledge that; he admired Stojko and couldn't quite believe that he beat Elvis in Skate Canada 1998.
Alexei is my ideal type of skater but I’d have given this to Elvis easily. TP:Elvis 5.7/5.9Urmanov 5.8/5.8 LP:Elvis 5.8/5.8Urmanov 5.6/5.7 Artistry is not just about natural talent or looking pretty. It’s about being in tune with your music and having the skating reflect that. It’s a shame the judges were so conservative.
I think the real problem with this program was that in the end Elvis ended up without a second combo. When he missed the first combo he never really replaced it which is a shame.
This is very strange to see opinions that Elvis was robbed and Alexei didn't deserve his gold. First of all, Elvis did 7 triples (3Lz, (1A), 3A-3T, 3Lo, 3A, 3F, 3S), Alexei did 8 (3A, 3T, 3Lz, 3A-2T, 3Lo, 3F, 3S, 3T), yes, nowadays 3T isn't a serious jump, but at that time many really good skaters had problems with triples, and 3T was not a great, but also a solid jump. Yes, Alexei had a problem on 3F (thanks to bad ice mb) and his second spin (he had a textbook technics on his jumps, his 3Lz mb the best in FS history, but I agree, he never was a great spinner, not even good), but popped axel of Elvis decided all. I think, there was, in Lillehammer olympics, in men's single skating, one of the hardest rivalry in FS-history, not even between Elvis and Alexei, don't forget about Candeloro, Petrenko, Browning, Boitano... Ok, all of them failed their SP or FS, it was strict for them all morally, returns to Elvis and Alexei and their second mark. They had such different style that it's very difficult to compare them, but it's evident, that they skated from his heart the roles, that were close to them. Alexei always very natural in his ballet image of Prince (typical style for soviet and post-iet skaters, but I really can't remember even one single skater, who was so natural in ballet programs as Alexei), Elvis was a king of modern choreography. One of the biggest advantage of Alexei's skating - his unbelievable connection with his music, Elvis usually connected with it good, even very well, but not perfect. Yes, the judges had their own prejudices, that's true (and canadian judge was unfair to Elvis), but at that competition Alexei was a bit more strong then Elvis, thanks two almost clear programs and perfection of artistic presentation in his own style. For me, Elvis had to win gold in Nagano, because he was totally better then Ilia Kulik in all aspects, and his injury was a great injustice of universe. And one last note. I think, medals can't be undeserved, never. All skaters worked and working extremely hard, and if even judges were unfair, this medal isn't undeserved. That's the result of everyday working since their childhood.
Elvis was NOT "robbed" of the gold in '94. I'm not a huge fan of either skater, but even I can see why Urmanov won. Both skaters had a big mistake in the LP. Stojko blew his axle combination, and Urmanov blew his triple flip. Both skaters replaced those jumps later in their programs. So...all things being equal with no other mistakes....we must look at the finer details to determine who was the better all-around skater. Easily, Urmanov had the better technique and form with the perfect checkout position on his jumps, as well as effortless jumping and great form in the air. Urmanov also was much more lyrical, had better body awareness and sense of the music, regardless of some stupid movements, like the knee knocking. Stojko, however, never had good form or technique. He muscled through all his jumps. Nothing ever looked effortless or felt easy. His landing position was always ugly with chest low over the front of the skate and back leg bent. He also struggled with his artistic presentation throughout his career. His body line was never good, largely because of his short and stocky stature. All these things taken into account, Urmanov deserved his gold because he was clearly the better all-around skater. Had Urmanov made a second mistake in his LP that wasn't corrected, then it would have been a different story, but they each made mistakes that they corrected later. All things being equal, Urmanov was the better skater. Stojko's time to win was 1998 because Kulik was young and green. He skated like a juvenile. Unfortunately, Stojko was injured, and it wasn't meant to be.
Urmanov didn't just blow his triple flip....when he tripped out of the landing, he was lucky that he didn't go face first into the boards, which he missed by inches. Urmanov was also obviously completely gassed by the end of his free skate, and both his choreography and costuming were the same old boring stuff that we had seen so many times before. However, the conservative judges wanted ballet and not martial arts on ice (and by the way, martial arts is about grace AND power, which Elvis did a lovely job of showcasing), and they certainly didn't want to see or hear techno during the short programme either. In a nutshell, this is why I have a hard time thinking of figure skating as a "sport", as it comes down to subjective opinion by the judges (so both politics and reputation get worked in) rather than an empirical standard like time or distance. If you want to talk about a bigger robbery, I think the 1988 ladies competition takes the cake.
@@KaratekaII I won't argue with you on the '88 ladies. I completely get where you're coming from there. Still, it's just one in a long line of robberies that always seem to feature U.S. or Canadian skaters conveniently losing to eastern bloc skaters: Fratiannie loses to Potzsch in '80, Manly loses to Witt in '88, Wylie loses to Petrenko in '92, Kerrigan loses to Baiul in '94, Sale-Pelltiere lose to Berezhnaya-Sikharulidze in '02. Although not from North America, Kim Yuna loses to Sotnikova in '18 also qualifies as an eastern bloc robbery. Every time, it's in favor of an eastern bloc skater. Every. Time. The hardest ones for me to accept are Wylie in '92 and Kerrigan in '94. Wylie was flawless in his SP and received 5.3 - 5.4! He should have been at least second going into the LP. Petrenko tanked badly, falling on 3 or 4 jumps in his LP and still won gold. It's the most unworthy men's gold medal program I've ever seen. Wylie had a few small mistakes but stayed on his feet and skated triumphantly. He lost gold because he was severely under-marked in the SP and left 3rd going into the LP, which he won. Totally robbed of gold. In '94, Olympic press coverage was all over Baiul, dubbing her the "Orphan from Odessa". If they said it once, they said it a thousand times. They played up Peternko being her godfather and all her disadvantages. I began to see what they were doing. They were laying the groundwork for a decision that had already been made. I could see the headlines: "Ukrainian Orphan Wins Gold Medal with Previous Gold Medal-Winning Godfather By Her Side". It was to be the feel-good story of the Games. The more the message was repeated in the media, I knew Kerrigan would lose no matter how well she skated. Except for doubling a planned triple flip in her LP, Kerrigan was flawless in both parts of the competition and sophisticated in a classic style that would later be emulated by Michelle Kwan, Kim Yuna, and others. Baiul struggled through a LP full of two-foot landings, shaky awkward checkout positions, slow spins and without a single jump combination until she tacked on a double toe loop literally in the last seconds of her program. All this in a pink flamingo feathery dress complete with juvenile choreography and ponytail scrunchie. The fact remains that outside of the technical advancement in ladies skating, you could take either of Kerrigan's programs and style from the '94 Games and place them in a competition today, and they wouldn't look out of place at all. That can't be said for Baiul's routines, especially her LP, which hasn't aged well. People can say what they want about Kerrigan's personality or attitude, but I would have been pissed, too. Kerrigan knows she got screwed, and so does everyone else who understands skating.
@@L1623VP I agree with you about Kerrigan and Baiul, notwithstanding Oksana's charm. I also remember that I was so angry about Paul Wylie losing to Viktor Petrenko, even though I liked both skaters. But I recently revisited those two programs to try to figure out how Viktor, with one of his less successful skates, beat a gorgeous free skate from Paul. The answer jumped out at me. Paul's skate was still beautiful, and Viktor had one (not three) falls, while his program ran out of a bit of steam at the end But Viktor completed more jumps in combination and that's what really told the tale. We know combination jumps receive higher scores, as they should. That said, the Lillehammer Olympics featured some of the worst judging in all of the disciplines I've ever seen. Some of it still makes me wince today.
@@cherylhulting1301 Petrenko fell once, but fell out of two other jumps, and had some downgrades, as I recall. He really ran out of steam as the LP progressed and became sloppy and unsteady. He also wasn't on par with Paul artistically. The only reason Petrenko won is because Paul was severely held back in the SP. Look it up on YT. It's absolutely fantastic; the SP of his life, and he got 5.3-54, when it should have been at least 5.8 technical and 5.9 artistic across the board. Had he received the scores he deserved and at least ended up in second after the SP instead of third, he'd have won gold because he won the LP, as well. Paul was well-known for being inconsistent, but had the skate of his life in both programs at the '92 Olympics, but the judges scored him based on his past reputation, and not what he put down on the ice both nights.
Subjectiveness is but a biased take on the intangibles. I clearly do not agree with your analysis, as it is flawed in its most basic concepts. For example, you note on Stojko's jump technique and landing positions; labelling them as "never had good form or technique", or "muscled through". That in itself is absolutely ludicrous. Anyone who knows anything about figure skating can see that Stojko's jumps were of perfect pedigree. Everything from air position, to take off edges as well as controlled landing positions were of the utmost quality. Superb to say the least. For example, the edge control alone on the landing of his triple luts was awe inspiring. Your analysis is severely flawed and to say the least almost laughable. And as far as artistry is concerned. Well the notion of artistry itself is the most subjective concept in existence. As artistry is a personal preference and both metaphorically and literally lies in the eyes of the beholder. Stojko's artistry came from within his mind and soul, he played it out for anyone who was willing and able to see beyond the established norm of the day. And to say that Urmanov had better body awareness is beyond insanity. No athlete in figure skating history has ever been more in tune with his body and soul than Elvis Stojko.
I think Elvis Stoyko was a great skater, very strong skater, but I never liked him much, because he always seemed so arrogant, so full of himself. To me, that is such a turnoff in a person. He got a pretty low score from Russia.
Neither Elvis' choreo nor spins were great, but each was miles ahead of Urmanov. Juvenile skaters spin better than Urmanov and aside from the knee wiggles and phone answering, there was essentially no meaningful skating (edges, turns, etc) choreo. Urmanov was prettier, but certainly not better. Even his crossovers were terrible. All the top men were disappointing, but Elvis was least disappointing, in my opinion.
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Thank you Capt Holt
He’s Elvis!! Elvis Stojko, the Canadian figure skater!
I have always loved his skating. His artistry was never appreciated, he was masculine and ahead of his time. Others were doing ballet on ice and he was doing Kata. He was robbed of gold for sure. He made history with being the first to land the quad combo. Him and Michelle Kwan both greats that never won gold.
yes ,,, and loved kwan too
What a wonderful skater and young man what a jumper as well, which helps with triples and quads all the time, My children did Kung-Fu, and got their black belts in it as well, then my daughter went into skating, and it was a case of get a choreographer for her. . Yes, I totally agree with his marks being an ex marks compiler myself, judges are hard to forget a certain person, it takes years, before they get it right.. However Elvis is one of my favourite skaters so is Brian Boitano, Scott Davis etc.
This is the gold medal performance
Elvis my favored Skater you are awesome. Bless you .
All these years later (2023 now) and still -- if you're not classical and balletic, you get hammered on presentation marks. I have always loved this program, and now that I know something about Chinese martial arts, I'm even more impressed with how he integrated kung fu into this program. It's not balletic, but it's wonderful interpretation of the story from which the music was derived. I will always love me some Kurt Browning, but this program moved me to tears in 1994 and it still does.
'interpretation of the story from which the music was derived' is exactly why some of the artistic scores were too low. That is just uneducated judging.
21 years later... and i still remember that performance... :)
He’s obviously Elvis
YES
Elvis stojko the Canadian finger skater
I love me some Elvis Stojko!!! I always enjoyed watching him, especially in exhibition shows. At one show, i swore he waved at me!!!! My mom told me he waved to our section but i disagree. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 GOD bless
🙏❤️🙏
I always loved watching both Elvis and Kurt Browning skate. Watching each of them perform made me so proud to be a fellow Canadian. No matter the routine, you knew it was going to be EPIC! Canada has seen many incredible skaters over the years, but just like in rock'n'roll, Elvis will always be the King!
He was in extreme pain.
Brilliant to watch
Almost 30 years ago, and I’ll never forget this program. I was a 16 year old skater at that time, and Elvis and Kurt inspired me to keep going. Through the pain, the sleepless nights, and the heartache.
I remember watching this live-electrifying!
His jumps are phenomenal
28 years later and I am still mesmerized by Elvis Stojko’s command of his art. #Exceptional
This is my all time favorite Olympic memory.
I meet him at my work about a week ago. I work at a ice rink in Virginia. He's a down to earth guy and still has the skills today
He lives in v irginia? I'm in maryland
He came to a skating show where I live...I got an autographe
YES! Absolutely! Elvis Stoijko should have had the Olympic title!
26 years ago and I remember this amazing skate like yesterday!! Artistic marks given to him are disgusting! He was ROBBED of the gold. Thank you Elvis for giving so many of us such joy in watching your artistry! There will NEVER be another Elvis Stojko!
Came back to watch this after Moir and Virtue just won gold. I so remember this performance. Elvis was robbed of the gold. I have the feeling if anyone moved on quickly and did not let it get him down, that would be Elvis. Proud of Canada’s athletes. 🇨🇦
Beautiful program. What always amazed me about Elvis is that he was one of the few, or only? elite figure skaters to be a multi-sport athlete.
The only reason I'm here is because of Captain Holt and Charles Boyl during their holloween special. Lol
Same here
This was always my favorite routine of his. The music suited him, & also, at the time, that music had not been overused. It's a great piece of music, but it has been used for sooooo many things. When I saw this, it was the first time I had ever heard that music before.
It is so awesome that he mixed martial arts with ice skating 😀
Elvis Sskoko is a Canadian legend on ice, when he did a tribute Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story is was a masterpiece, including the foot work was classic.
So this is *Elvis Stojko, the Canadian figure skater*
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Holt got it right
and he IS good! Thank to Captain Holt, I can appreciate Elvis' brilliant performance 😊
I don't remember who represented the US, but I do remember Elvis from Canada. Elvis' performance in 1994's Olympics has stood out in my mind as an excellent, beautiful performance. Like I remember Krisit's long program from 1992 where she won the gold. I'm still sad that Elvis was robbed because he deserved gold. So happy to see this video 😊
I have this recorded on VHS from TV that day! Always my favorite!
He makes you understand figure skating and the relationship of the blade to the ice. No excessive upper body movement and yet passion and artistry that the judges missed. He was a great skater the way Baryshnikov was a great dancer. Will always be my yardstick with which to measure other skaters.
I could watch him all day.
So artistic and athletic! Alexei Yagudin of Russia talked so high about Elvis in his recent interview
Still goosebumps in 2019 ❤️❤️❤️
Randy Edelman’s Music is absolutely awe inspiring.
Dragon : The Bruce Lee Story - Soundtrack
The true god medal winning performance!
Very inspiring!!!! Yes that was a robbed😞 he deserved the gold medal..
Just watching the Hudson and Rex episode he’s in recognized him right away, good to see his face again I’ll never forget his performance in this Olympics-🇨🇦😎🍻🥇✌️🖖
Elvis was the most ground breaking innovative skater. When he skated, you just felt it. Also, he should be commentating at the winter Olympics right now. Tara and Johnny ain't really cutting it.
Andrea B. I thought I heard he does some commentary for a Canadian broadcasting company.
@@AuntStina Curt Browning did the Olympic commentary for CBC actually. He was really good. I can't recall Elvis ever doing it.
how the f**k is he moving so smoothly!! I know nothing about figure skating but I am so captivated by he's movement that I'm afraid to bling and missed it he should have gotten the gold.
So enjoyed seeing him tonight at Busch Gardens Christmas Town for his Christmas skating show!
I always loved Elvis, saw him skate a few times, I always felt that he deserved higher scores. I like his style.
Apart from that first big mistake, when he popped a planned triple into a single, this is some of his finest skating. Every other jump after that was landed beautifully without any bobbles. What a shame!
Hands down, robbed of the gold medal.
Mandy Poremba totally agree!
How so? He made many mistakes.
@@chriswinston1223 , Urmanov’s skate doesn’t even come close! Elvis DESERVED THE GOLD!!!!
@@mariannemoravecka I agree with you. Only one popped jump that he made up for later in the program.
@@chriswinston1223 Many?
Wow, so pretty and inspiring, thank you. Beautiful choreography in the first half and throughout
Im pretty sure this is the only time Brian Orser did tv commentating
Wonderfull! When I saw this performance at 1994 on TV I got excited and creepy. It was a beautiful tribute to Kung Fu.
So proud to say that Elvis Stojko is my third cousin :D Never met him in person, but he is an amazing athelete :D
Met him several times...he's a terrific guy.
I see his dad at church lmao
Samantha Madden. I met him when i was a young little fellow in barrie at the arena used to always watch and bug him for his name signed on piece of paper he never said no . he always talked positivly he is a great man
I still think of those days . he was and is best 💐😎
I remember watching this on tv as a kid
Captain holt brought me here
Wow. So beautiful. =)
Ahh Lillehammer.. back when I understood olympic figure skating judging.
+pink45352 You mean the Russian 3rd place tally for a 1st place performance? Yeah, those were the days.
Yeah I stopped watching after as did many. Used to be a great well watched sport. What ever politics came in ruined it.
You mean Cheating by the Russians. Nothing new.
They totally missed Elvis' point in this program. He should have at least gotten silver. He is one of the greats. Never compromised his own style even when it wasn't popular. He was always rock and roll to the judges favoured ballet music. He never wanted to be ballet and that is unfortunately all the Russian judges seem to care about. That gets boring after a few skaters. How many Carmen's can we stomach. lol
He did get silver.
He did get the silver in 1994. 2nd is where he finished overall.
Elvis and Philippe Candeloro are my faves
I love Philippe!! I always liked how he put entertaining the audience before anything else!
he has always been my fav
The advent of photography.
Brooklyn 99
Pictures from SOI on Ig brought me here.I love this routine and the music.Great performance!
robbed of the gold...atleast we all know he won.
Funny you should say that, it reminded me of Phillipe Candeloro who finished a spot below him at Nagano. I forgot Stojko's routine, except that he as injured, but Candeloro's has stayed in my head since I first saw it when I was 8. That tells ya somethin' XD
Elvis was inspiring! He was big and Olympic! Where was the effing second gold medal here!!!!! Canadian federation should have protested!!!!!!! Still should! Absurd.
I met this guy
Grave injustice! Should have won.
Capt holt brought me here 😂
So this is what Charles Boyle did before he joined the 99th precinct
Figures the Russian judge gave him the lowest mark.
And canadian the highest ;)
Best jump figure skater ever
Actually, no. I adore Elvis and he was a major influence on jumpers in the sport. But the greatest jump skaters in terms of technique are Evgeni Plushenko and Yuzuru Hanyu. They have perfect air position, even stronger and faster rotation, and almost perfect form. They can also do three-jump combinations that Elvis just did not do. I expect that Yuzu will be the man to land the first quad axel. But neither would have made the strides in jumping that they did without Elvis's example. I think Plush would acknowledge that; he admired Stojko and couldn't quite believe that he beat Elvis in Skate Canada 1998.
Did the commentator just call Llyod Eisler Herb Eisler?
Funny, the commentator said the same thing as Scott Hamilton did for U.S. TV when he did the triple axel, triple toe: "Thinking on his feet."
It's just cliche
Pretty sure it's Brian Orser commentating here - it is funny that he and Scott Hamilton had the same reaction
both of the silver medalists in the singles event were robbed at these olympics!
After seeing this routine, a lot of little boys in Canada were thinking “if hockey doesn’t work out, maybe I’ll try this figure skating thing”
I think he won the gold and was robbed of the gold.
99!
GOAT
He's HOT!!
Alexei is my ideal type of skater but I’d have given this to Elvis easily.
TP:Elvis 5.7/5.9Urmanov 5.8/5.8
LP:Elvis 5.8/5.8Urmanov 5.6/5.7
Artistry is not just about natural talent or looking pretty. It’s about being in tune with your music and having the skating reflect that. It’s a shame the judges were so conservative.
Boyle
Boyle dressed up as him
I think the real problem with this program was that in the end Elvis ended up without a second combo. When he missed the first combo he never really replaced it which is a shame.
FLAWLESS. He just didn’t conform to the hackneyed definitions of “artistry.”
Which is absurd.
Chazz Michael Michaels brought me here
what was the name of the techno music that he had in his short (technical) program? Its so awesome
Negano or Nagano?
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that first mistake probably cost him the Gold.
Does anyone know who the guy in white top and black pants is in the audience. Hes by himself with a sound man. Was he another competitor?
Il flotte
This is very strange to see opinions that Elvis was robbed and Alexei didn't deserve his gold. First of all, Elvis did 7 triples (3Lz, (1A), 3A-3T, 3Lo, 3A, 3F, 3S), Alexei did 8 (3A, 3T, 3Lz, 3A-2T, 3Lo, 3F, 3S, 3T), yes, nowadays 3T isn't a serious jump, but at that time many really good skaters had problems with triples, and 3T was not a great, but also a solid jump. Yes, Alexei had a problem on 3F (thanks to bad ice mb) and his second spin (he had a textbook technics on his jumps, his 3Lz mb the best in FS history, but I agree, he never was a great spinner, not even good), but popped axel of Elvis decided all. I think, there was, in Lillehammer olympics, in men's single skating, one of the hardest rivalry in FS-history, not even between Elvis and Alexei, don't forget about Candeloro, Petrenko, Browning, Boitano... Ok, all of them failed their SP or FS, it was strict for them all morally, returns to Elvis and Alexei and their second mark. They had such different style that it's very difficult to compare them, but it's evident, that they skated from his heart the roles, that were close to them. Alexei always very natural in his ballet image of Prince (typical style for soviet and post-iet skaters, but I really can't remember even one single skater, who was so natural in ballet programs as Alexei), Elvis was a king of modern choreography. One of the biggest advantage of Alexei's skating - his unbelievable connection with his music, Elvis usually connected with it good, even very well, but not perfect. Yes, the judges had their own prejudices, that's true (and canadian judge was unfair to Elvis), but at that competition Alexei was a bit more strong then Elvis, thanks two almost clear programs and perfection of artistic presentation in his own style. For me, Elvis had to win gold in Nagano, because he was totally better then Ilia Kulik in all aspects, and his injury was a great injustice of universe.
And one last note. I think, medals can't be undeserved, never. All skaters worked and working extremely hard, and if even judges were unfair, this medal isn't undeserved. That's the result of everyday working since their childhood.
5.5 artistic from the russian judge…NOOOOO WAY!!!!!!!!!
Charles Boyle looked nothing like him
Ridiculous he didn't win.
С хвостами все с какими-то🙄
He was robbed.
After Philippe Candeloro, this performanxce is rather boring
Elvis was NOT "robbed" of the gold in '94. I'm not a huge fan of either skater, but even I can see why Urmanov won. Both skaters had a big mistake in the LP. Stojko blew his axle combination, and Urmanov blew his triple flip. Both skaters replaced those jumps later in their programs. So...all things being equal with no other mistakes....we must look at the finer details to determine who was the better all-around skater.
Easily, Urmanov had the better technique and form with the perfect checkout position on his jumps, as well as effortless jumping and great form in the air. Urmanov also was much more lyrical, had better body awareness and sense of the music, regardless of some stupid movements, like the knee knocking. Stojko, however, never had good form or technique. He muscled through all his jumps. Nothing ever looked effortless or felt easy. His landing position was always ugly with chest low over the front of the skate and back leg bent. He also struggled with his artistic presentation throughout his career. His body line was never good, largely because of his short and stocky stature. All these things taken into account, Urmanov deserved his gold because he was clearly the better all-around skater. Had Urmanov made a second mistake in his LP that wasn't corrected, then it would have been a different story, but they each made mistakes that they corrected later. All things being equal, Urmanov was the better skater. Stojko's time to win was 1998 because Kulik was young and green. He skated like a juvenile. Unfortunately, Stojko was injured, and it wasn't meant to be.
Urmanov didn't just blow his triple flip....when he tripped out of the landing, he was lucky that he didn't go face first into the boards, which he missed by inches. Urmanov was also obviously completely gassed by the end of his free skate, and both his choreography and costuming were the same old boring stuff that we had seen so many times before. However, the conservative judges wanted ballet and not martial arts on ice (and by the way, martial arts is about grace AND power, which Elvis did a lovely job of showcasing), and they certainly didn't want to see or hear techno during the short programme either. In a nutshell, this is why I have a hard time thinking of figure skating as a "sport", as it comes down to subjective opinion by the judges (so both politics and reputation get worked in) rather than an empirical standard like time or distance. If you want to talk about a bigger robbery, I think the 1988 ladies competition takes the cake.
@@KaratekaII I won't argue with you on the '88 ladies. I completely get where you're coming from there. Still, it's just one in a long line of robberies that always seem to feature U.S. or Canadian skaters conveniently losing to eastern bloc skaters: Fratiannie loses to Potzsch in '80, Manly loses to Witt in '88, Wylie loses to Petrenko in '92, Kerrigan loses to Baiul in '94, Sale-Pelltiere lose to Berezhnaya-Sikharulidze in '02. Although not from North America, Kim Yuna loses to Sotnikova in '18 also qualifies as an eastern bloc robbery. Every time, it's in favor of an eastern bloc skater. Every. Time.
The hardest ones for me to accept are Wylie in '92 and Kerrigan in '94. Wylie was flawless in his SP and received 5.3 - 5.4! He should have been at least second going into the LP. Petrenko tanked badly, falling on 3 or 4 jumps in his LP and still won gold. It's the most unworthy men's gold medal program I've ever seen. Wylie had a few small mistakes but stayed on his feet and skated triumphantly. He lost gold because he was severely under-marked in the SP and left 3rd going into the LP, which he won. Totally robbed of gold.
In '94, Olympic press coverage was all over Baiul, dubbing her the "Orphan from Odessa". If they said it once, they said it a thousand times. They played up Peternko being her godfather and all her disadvantages. I began to see what they were doing. They were laying the groundwork for a decision that had already been made. I could see the headlines: "Ukrainian Orphan Wins Gold Medal with Previous Gold Medal-Winning Godfather By Her Side". It was to be the feel-good story of the Games. The more the message was repeated in the media, I knew Kerrigan would lose no matter how well she skated.
Except for doubling a planned triple flip in her LP, Kerrigan was flawless in both parts of the competition and sophisticated in a classic style that would later be emulated by Michelle Kwan, Kim Yuna, and others. Baiul struggled through a LP full of two-foot landings, shaky awkward checkout positions, slow spins and without a single jump combination until she tacked on a double toe loop literally in the last seconds of her program. All this in a pink flamingo feathery dress complete with juvenile choreography and ponytail scrunchie. The fact remains that outside of the technical advancement in ladies skating, you could take either of Kerrigan's programs and style from the '94 Games and place them in a competition today, and they wouldn't look out of place at all. That can't be said for Baiul's routines, especially her LP, which hasn't aged well. People can say what they want about Kerrigan's personality or attitude, but I would have been pissed, too. Kerrigan knows she got screwed, and so does everyone else who understands skating.
@@L1623VP I agree with you about Kerrigan and Baiul, notwithstanding Oksana's charm. I also remember that I was so angry about Paul Wylie losing to Viktor Petrenko, even though I liked both skaters. But I recently revisited those two programs to try to figure out how Viktor, with one of his less successful skates, beat a gorgeous free skate from Paul. The answer jumped out at me. Paul's skate was still beautiful, and Viktor had one (not three) falls, while his program ran out of a bit of steam at the end But Viktor completed more jumps in combination and that's what really told the tale. We know combination jumps receive higher scores, as they should. That said, the Lillehammer Olympics featured some of the worst judging in all of the disciplines I've ever seen. Some of it still makes me wince today.
@@cherylhulting1301 Petrenko fell once, but fell out of two other jumps, and had some downgrades, as I recall. He really ran out of steam as the LP progressed and became sloppy and unsteady. He also wasn't on par with Paul artistically.
The only reason Petrenko won is because Paul was severely held back in the SP. Look it up on YT. It's absolutely fantastic; the SP of his life, and he got 5.3-54, when it should have been at least 5.8 technical and 5.9 artistic across the board. Had he received the scores he deserved and at least ended up in second after the SP instead of third, he'd have won gold because he won the LP, as well. Paul was well-known for being inconsistent, but had the skate of his life in both programs at the '92 Olympics, but the judges scored him based on his past reputation, and not what he put down on the ice both nights.
Subjectiveness is but a biased take on the intangibles. I clearly do not agree with your analysis, as it is flawed in its most basic concepts. For example, you note on Stojko's jump technique and landing positions; labelling them as "never had good form or technique", or "muscled through". That in itself is absolutely ludicrous. Anyone who knows anything about figure skating can see that Stojko's jumps were of perfect pedigree. Everything from air position, to take off edges as well as controlled landing positions were of the utmost quality. Superb to say the least. For example, the edge control alone on the landing of his triple luts was awe inspiring. Your analysis is severely flawed and to say the least almost laughable. And as far as artistry is concerned. Well the notion of artistry itself is the most subjective concept in existence. As artistry is a personal preference and both metaphorically and literally lies in the eyes of the beholder. Stojko's artistry came from within his mind and soul, he played it out for anyone who was willing and able to see beyond the established norm of the day. And to say that Urmanov had better body awareness is beyond insanity. No athlete in figure skating history has ever been more in tune with his body and soul than Elvis Stojko.
I think Elvis Stoyko was a great skater, very strong skater, but I never liked him much, because he always seemed so arrogant, so full of himself. To me, that is such a turnoff in a person. He got a pretty low score from Russia.
Neither Elvis' choreo nor spins were great, but each was miles ahead of Urmanov. Juvenile skaters spin better than Urmanov and aside from the knee wiggles and phone answering, there was essentially no meaningful skating (edges, turns, etc) choreo. Urmanov was prettier, but certainly not better. Even his crossovers were terrible. All the top men were disappointing, but Elvis was least disappointing, in my opinion.
Fixed? I don't know. I lived this...
FLAWLESS. He just didn’t conform to the hackneyed definitions of “artistry.”
Which is absurd.