1. A Second Alexander (+Achievement!) | Pyrrhus of Epirus Campaign | AoE2: DE Return of Rome
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- Опубліковано 11 лис 2024
- Easiest scenario of my life!
In this scenario, Pyrrhus must assist Demetrius in a war between the heirs of Alexander the Great. You deal with the right flank without too many issues, but then must cover the retreat of your allies as the battle goes south.
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Okay I barely started watching but must say I loved the dialogue that calls gates an abomination and rally to destroy them and fight like man in the old days since AoE1 only got gates for this DLC.
Haha nice reckoning..
Yes. Bronze age Hoplites vs. post-Iron age Centurions, that's good match.
Being in the Bronze Age against units with 37 attack and 14 armor. Teutonic Knights look like a joke compared to this.
EEEZZEEEE :D
I do appreciate the AIs trash talking each other in this campaign.
The DLC has had some fun moments and some good stroytelling and dialogue. Definitely something that AoE2:DE has just gotten better at as time goes on.
Definitely the best of the 3 new campaigns
A "legitimate" way of fighting fully upgraded Centurions with Bronze age units?
Yeah, the legitimate way is to acquire as many legs to run away! Walls, towers and spamable buildings around the TC's to distract them also helps.
I also though of the idea of spamming buildings, the civ bônus is houses with extra hp.
I must say, I really like this flawed style of achievement guide and play. Real play, not optimised, relatable. I enjoyed it.
Ornlu my friend, you know there is only one way to make Viper goes mad. Force him to play a campaign scenario, when "his hero MUST SURVIVE"
I'm actually just poking fun at him for getting 0-5ed by Hera in the KotD finals these past few days. Is working pretty well! Kek
@@OrnLu_AoE I do not blame you for struggling with this one. All those military and siege units converging so fast on the three Town Centers and the fact that the player was not prepared for it beforehand, let alone your allies giving up just like that is frustrating. Took me three tries as well, except I stormed my units to quickly defend one Town Center after taking care of the stables.
@@OrnLu_AoE lol. Don't be a meanie lol
For the achievement I walled around the TCs as much as I could without being blocked by farms etc., and I pulled all my villagers to run around in a circle until victory. What military I had left I think I used to snipe catapults. I think I had less than ten units in the end or something 11.
Same, I walled both allied TCs four-fold. Lucky for me the catapults were busy attacking walls, and the centurions could not break through all the walls in time. I think another thing you can do is make a wall labyrinth for them to walk through, with a bunch of archers and towers in the middle. Tower defence go brr! Hard to build this when you are busy attacking orange though.
You can kill teal before he gets to centurions. Phalanx vs hoplite is still a doable match up. His main academies are in that small base right next to orange. Take that out and he’s limited to broadswords until he builds more academies.
The Pyrrhus Campaign is great, in this mission I think it's key to lead the Centurions around in circles while catching the camels with hoplites, so they neither kill the TCs nor your cav. I guess the lesson is that some battles should not be fought.
The next mission has a great tooltip reminder to get the achievement, contrasts nicely with the dialogue, at least for me(went with cyan).
The Lord Basse writing is *oozing* from that Intro. Quality and Hilarity.
I do not blame you for struggling with this one. All those military and siege units converging so fast on the three Town Centers and the fact that the player was not prepared for it beforehand, let alone your allies giving up just like that is frustrating. Took me three tries as well, except I stormed my units to quickly defend one Town Center after taking care of the stables.
Wish we could get the achievement by just watching you play here on UA-cam. It was exciting to watch! :) Thanks for the tips!
Oh nice, another video from Ornlu, time to see how he deals with first level of Pyrrhus... with achievement?! Now thats a real deal!
I like the detail of Antigonus sounding like a tired old man. He was literally in his 80’s by then and still kicking ass
I still raged when Antigonus and Demetrius called that retreat. Like guys you had ONE JOB, at least distract them for a few minutes more.
@@afz902k If you know why they retreat, in that battle Antigonus lost his live.
So his son Demetrius called retreat.
@@satekoi didn't know, RIP Antigonus
@@afz902k It's in the End cut-scene 42:50.
@@satekoi I must have been very distracted to miss it twice 😮💨
I played the first scenario and now want to check how a good player does.
Great to have you playing also campaigns 😃
with the latest patch this became way easier to get the achievement as lysimachius dont upgrade to centurions anymore
Yeah, not sure what they were thinking with this scenario. Kind of feels like a flashback to the old Forgotten Campaigns. The others are good though, I promise!
This looked like the gigachad version of Saladin 2. Where you are also restricted to the 3rd age and eventually have to fight an age4 enemy, but there at least you had reasonable counters against fully upgraded frank pallies.
I played this whole campaign and failed to notice Nobility wasn't on the tech tree. I thought for sure that Macedonians were an FU cav civ because of the companion cavalry irl
I flared light blue's base for my allies and just went with tonnes of composite bowmen and a few cavalry as fully upgraded as possible. I positioned them near the town centres after destroying the stables. The bowmen shredded the enemy academy units as they were very slow and I used the cavalry to mop up enemy archers an siege. Also lots of sentry towers around the town centers.
I think cheesing the achievement with the cavalry bait is the only way.
Add walls around each TC for good measure. The farms around them are placed in a way to allow a full wall around
Honestly your first run was going pretty well lol. I ended this mission with the enemy breaking the wall I had erected around the last ally town center while the last of my cavalry ran around in circles, pulling the attention of the enemy. I don't think there is a pretty way to end this one on hard.
Okay, managed to beat this one on hard with the 3 TCs standing.
The level has already been nerfed a bit, Teal no longer upgrades to Centurion, and seems to train a bit less units.
TIPS:
• Don't waste stupidly your initial units, it's easy to do and can be helpfull later.
• While booming and getting ready to attack Orange, send a couple of vils to SPAM HOUSES on your allies bases, AS MANY AS YOU CAN. They are the cheapest buildings and will delay your enemies while destroying them.
• Mine stone as well to afford wall upgrades, and build 3-4 towers on each TC, the double or triple wall them.
• Keep hoplites near the TCs to fight any units that may go straight for the TCs.
• Some cavalry and Pyrrhus can bait some enemy units and destroy the catapults, but the enemy towers with ballistics and some lucky catapult shots ended up killing all my cavalry at 5 min mark.
• GOOD LUCK.
Walling the allies TC is a good idea
the little Kingdom that could
I didn't wall in this scenario, but instead followed the scenario instructions to let my allies deal with everyone else till my economy was built up. That is, I didn't join the opening fight, but instead built economy and army. I then spammed my allies town centers with trash units, finally going on to attack the stables. Used flares, got help. Made stable demo a lot faster. Easy peasy. Also, used stone throwers on the stables. Fast. Forgot, also built several towers in orange. Kept orange army busy, while stables were being taken down.
what i found best with this level is to mass archers for the second half and use cav to kite around the centurion mass. the centrurions will target the cav since theyre closer and the archer will pelt away slowly killing off the mass and winning the game with less intensive amount of micro
I found my clone :D
Cavalry aggro really saved my skin as well, the enemies decided to stop attacking tcs the moment any player unit is passing through. Just keep an eye on catapults.
The strategy is to speedrun the scenario. If you beat orange under 15 minutes(igt) only the camels attack for some reason. The centurions do not attack due to a bug/feature maybe.
The first few times I played, there were only phalangites from teal and not centurions. Still they are tough as heck
I won by rushing but also spamming buildings like walls and houses outside my allies town centers. If you build enough they get distracted and buy you the time you need to win.
You can also wall in the TC’s. If the AI gets through it will take its time destroying the walls which is a significant delay
This game explained everything right qnd great
these new campaigns need looking at again lmao, absolutely wild
Time to meet the only man capable of being compared to Alexander.
I do hope we get Chinese, Choson, Lac Viet and Minoan campaigns. They seem really cool.
No idea why historians refer to this guy as comparable to Alexander. He left no major legacy behind him and hardly conquered any territory. He was a good military tactician, but a very poor strategist, rarely being able to take advantage of his military successes. Which is why most of the wars he conducted were inconclusive. Whether with Rome, with the Carthaginians, with the Spartans, with the Macedonians... he won battles against them all, but was never capable of capitalizing on his successes. He could not check the ascensions of Rome, as such Rome eventually conquered Magna Graecia and would come into direct collision with the Carthaginians. He never managed to evict the Carthaginians from Sicily. Rome would finish this job. He never managed to take over the throne of Macedon nor install a client king in Sparta.
History remember him for his Pyrrhic War with Rome as the guy who won his battles but with so many losses than in the end, he was defeated. He was also a poor state administrator, always having difficulties maintaining a steady treasury to pay his mercenaries. Impressive military career... but nothing compared to Alexander, which changed the political and cultural landscape from Greece all the way to India and Central Asia for over 3 centuries.
@@Kalimdor199Menegroth definitely interesting.
Honestly it seems generals lime Hannibal left a bigger impact since he actually impacted Rome in several ways especially in regards to military.
@@frankieseward8667 Hannibal left a bigger impact. That is true. But still ephemeral compared to Alexander. Unfortunately for him, his legacy was not impressive either. Not because of him, but because all the other Carthaginian leaders and statesmen were mediocre at best. While his war in Italy brought in some impressive military achievements, ultimately the Romans adapted to his style of fighting, avoided direct military contact, waging a quasi-guerilla style of warfare while Scipio obtained victory after victory in Spain, and eventually in Africa too. If Hannibal had at least a few more capable people among his kin as Alexander had, he probably would have equaled him. But he did not, he eventually lost the war and then his people forced him into exile.
It is hard for me to say who actually can be compared to Alexander in the ancient world. Antiochus III, Julius Caesar or Trajan come to mind, but none of them equaled him. They came the closest. Alexander pretty much epitomizes the ideal, legendary conqueror. He achieved in a very short amount of time stuff that none did previously. He conquered the known world and never lost any major battle.
@@Kalimdor199Menegroth true. Alexanders legacy is hard if not impossible to compare.
@Septic Neuron He entered what was then the Indus valley civilization. The Battle of Hydaspes is not generally considered fabricated by historians, aside from a fringe Indian community which takes this stance more for political purposes. As far as we know, Alexander did not come into contact with the remnants of the Nanda Empire, nor did he come into contact with Chandragupta either. So while historical records from other sources did not survive, that is not evidence that the Indian campaign did not happen. There are Indian literary accounts and folktales about Porus, just not written historical sources. The Battle of Hydaspes did happen and remained in the memory of Indians, as recorded by the polymath Chanakya.
"> Indian historians keep great record of dealings with Alexander's successors but never Alexander himself"
Alexander's arrival on the Indus came at a time when the Nanda Empire was in a civil war. This explains why the lack of sources from their side as there is in general a lack of sources from India during this short period. The reason why you have sources about his successors is because Chandragupta and his successors centralized and expanded the territory of their empire, coming into contact with the Seleucids and Greco-Bactrians.
what would alessandro have done in my place
while preparing the retreat our enemy enemies did not fully notice us
Probably the hardest mission in the game to beat without cheesing (aka running the centurions in circles for 10 minutes). Finally beat it yesterday without cheesing. The key is not to destroy the stables too fast, because that makes blue retreat and stop defending and building their towers. Instead make a small army to defend from oranges Cav and heavily fortify teals base with walls and towers and make a lot of academies. i also made some stone throwers behind the walls, but im unsure how much they contributed due to the lack of ballistics and small aoe. then the most important thing ist to snipe the catapults so the towers are safe. then you just throw hoplites into the meat grinder and hope for the best. they eventually did break through and destroyed a TC but I could keep the other two alive for long enough.
but it felt like in this try they didnt spam as many units as in the other trys. I suspect that its a bit random how many of teals hoplites survive blues attacks in the earlier phases
but yeah, feels like this mission wasnt fully ready for release but they ran out of time or something for reasons i dont think i need to explain. i think they could have done some small things to make it less of a pain
Actually it's very simple achieve, need just to stonewall asap gaps between ally stonewall. Enemy units start running back and forth and do not pose any danger. Enemy catapults could be sniped by hero , if it needed.
@@valger3652 yeah... Unless they bug out they definitely do attack the walls, at least on hard
@@larsy567M I guess in this mission ai units scripted to search for buildings/units targets. At least i never see them hitting walls on hard diff.
But even ai becomes "clever" and make attempt to pass inside through the walls, it still simple to hold. Centurions deals very little damage to walls, enough time to rewall behind. And as i mentioned, those few catapults could be cleaned with hero or cavs.
Antiochus I (Seleucus I Nicator's son) famously fell in love with his stepmother Stratonice, so his father let them marry! Their extraordinary union ultimately led to the more famous Seleucid kings Antiochus III the Great (who was defeated by the Romans at Magnesia) and Antiochus IV Epiphanes (the bane of the Jews).
Best hard counter to hoplites/centurions are the Ballista/Helepolis. Only problem is, those are iron age units, and you're restricted to bronze. I guess kite them with Composite bowman then?
Composite bowman is bad choise. Because enemy is Macedonians too. So they have 5 Pierce armors, and Composite bowman has 5 base attack, then each arrow do 1 damage to Macedonians centurions.
@@satekoi Well then, without Ballista... you're basically out of luck. War of attrition. Guess it is intentional, you're not supposed to defeat the enemy, don't even try.
This is the proof the devs didnt test the level, its impossible om very hard
While I admire the way you micro around those units, I'm afraid to say that there were better options from the beginning. You could've just built some walls around those TCs (about 2-3 layers) in order to buy you some time.
22/06/2024 It seems the difficulty has been reduced, I easily passed it only once (hard mode)
So when you attack the Vills at their base they change locations on most units.
Anyone find the Trajan and Pyrrhus intros and outros really quiet?
How can I buy AOE 2 DE full version and how costly is it's gonna be? Please let me know someone?
Gotta love Alexander the Great! Or well uh not Alexander the great
Ornlu, can you do a top 10 hardest levels (not the whole campaigns) of all campaigns on Hard?
I got the achievement by beating it on hard normally and then playing it on standard difficulty to get the actual achievement 💀
Yeah, already figured I'd "Catalaunian Fields" it, did that one on standard or moderate as well 'cause I suck at DM. Even tried with a VOD on second monitor to just copy, but then I can't micro adequately 😅
can you kill all enemies to pass this campaign by no limit of population ?
i just beat all the other AI's before destroying the stables which triggers the retreat
You literally can't unless you wall everything and use hundreds of the best archers you have
AI is still AI. Even though normally they're a bit smarter in return of rome, I just run around on a cav unit and let archers and towers deal with the masses
Did you use any flares?
that achievement isnt all that hard. you dont have to actually do it on hard, after all haha
I do it on hard so that anyone can replicate what I do. If it works on hard, then it will work on standard and medium, etc.
Also, I really like the challenge!
@@OrnLu_AoE I get that, I'm just saying it isn't actually one of the hardest achievements
epic epirs
This campaign was really excellently designed, the best of the three new campaigns by far.
Also, Macedon is an awful faction apart from maybe its Archery Range.
Very fair mission 🙃
Instead of razing allies' buildings devs could hand them to the player. its them who are retreating not you.
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First off, I HATE THIS MISSION!
Can't even survive on hard, let alone get the achievement
the pahalangite doesnt even look like even historically accurate. very disappointed