Finland's Unconventional Solution To The Broken Prison System
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So, what are prisons actually for? And what should they look like?
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Unlike the US, Finland has avoided the for-profit prison system trap. Allowing people to get a job and reintegrate before they're released should make a huge difference. In the US, released prisoners are pretty much dumped on the street. If they have no family to go back to, they have a good chance of ending up homeless and jobless. But businesses likes repeat customers.
Preach brother
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Hey, it cost about 10 times as much to get a new customer, in comparison to keep one.
Only 8% of all U.S. state and federal inmates are in private prisons. So we aren't going all in on them either.
Darkwing. Have you not seen the inmates in the USA prisons? Good luck letting them have the liberties of these Finnish prisoners.
Imagine a government built around being uplifting and caring.
Imagine a government releasing murderers into the public.
Imagine seeing your rapist living the good life.
There is a less restricted prison in Nevis. It’s for the well behaved and for those with minor charges
Thank you for clarifying. Otherwise this is utterly deceptive. Small charges and well behaved person can be moved to minimum security prisons.
You are doing a better job than most news outlets in the world.
i think it also has something to do with culture. I dont think it'll work in other countries, even with the same conditions
(5:00) I like this idea. Being moved to a low security prison sounds like a good thing to put on a prisoners resume. It shows that the prisoner learned his lesson and is trying to go straight.
This is how the government should work
Government's job is to protect the innocent and bring justice against the guilty. How should we tree mass murderers? Should we "rehabilitate" them and release them into society? Have you ever visited a prison where street gang members are incarcerated? Have you even walked the mean streets of US cities (run by Democrats).
There's a Swedish documentary where US prison employees builds a ward inspired by Nordic prisons.
What was the result? Who were the prisoners? Did the experiment continue?
You said this only applied to 30% of all prisoners. Now show us the other 70.
Even the worst prison in Finland looks like a hotel compared to a prison in the states
Besides the reintegration process is gradual. Once you show that you want to change they will start giving you some slack. Eventually you might get into one of these open prisons provided that you are serious about becoming a law abiding citizen. Then again if you truly are a monster you will never leave the maximum security prison.
The system is tough for bad people but kind for people who want to change.
@@TheAlex29494 usa shouldnt be used as a benchmark for prisons. Normal prison in finland is very typical for any other developed country, there is troubled and violent people along with intelligent people and violence is very normal. Of course its still better than in usa where you can get raped or extorted for years but its not a hotel compared to anything because you still lose your freedom and have to mix with people that wish you harm
Malaysia recidivism rate is less than 15%!
May be the Scandinabian people are just way ahead in social life.
As mentioned in the video, this is good for trustworthy prisoners, but what about the horrendous serial killers, etc., who love and want to do terrible things...?...Using AI would only make it more possible to do more terrible things...There are so many like that in the US and many other countries, really hardcore criminals...It might be better for them to do labor jobs, less dangerous...Maybe Finland doesn't have as many horrendous criminals...Most prisoners who have done really atrocious things, might benefit from really harsh punishments for as long as necessary so they learn about repercussions...Even then, some won't be able to be rehabilitated from mental illness and very strong criminal patterns in their consciousness where they can't see beyond being a bad person, however, if they can, they should learn to do good things, working in labor doing good, learning to do good deeds and be helpful...and then if they succeed at that, maybe expand out to do less laborious stuff...Just a guess, but the truly mentally ill ones may not be able to do much of anything, or even understand right from wrong...They all should be taught right from wrong...However, it doesn't mean certain people won't still want to do bad things after all that, but many will want to get better, probably...i don't know if anyone really truly wants to do bad things in their soul, but some people seem to want to...i think if they could experience being a healthy, compassionate, kind soul with a beautiful heart, i don't see how anyone would choose evil...
I get that you worry about these issues, but I'm not sure you are aware what criminality is in real life. First of all, the percentage of people who have an inherently violent personality doesn't have anything to do with your nationality. If you are born with crossed wiring, then you are, and that happens everywhere in the world. Second, the kinds of criminals you seem to be thinking about are someone like Ted Bundy, or someone like that: serial killers with really sick tastes. But those kinds of criminals are EXTREMELY rare. In fact, most violent crimes are done by people with no mental disability, in fact only about 5% of them have a mental disability. But people with a mental disability are ten times more likely to be victims of a crime. That said, it doesn't mean the Finnish justice system takes truly twisted individuals lightly: f you show some truly disturbing behaviour, you are treated as such.
So the facts are clear: treating EVERY criminal like the are a completely lost cause with no emotion or ways to reflect and better themselves is massively counter productive.
@@undertasty ~ With the youtube algorthm, it looks like there's a lot of hard-core criminals, plus the USA is having an illegal migrant crisis, as are many other countries, so there are many terrorist types coming in...i never used to look at these kind of videos, but last year when i started watching some videos about the Ruby Franke case, so many videos keep popping up like that, most of which i don't watch and can't stand...To me, it doesn't seem extremely rare from the youtube algorthm, but hopefully it's much rarer than it seems...
I could see this work in smaller countries never in America. Also American company have a business with the government by housing them in their own prisons.
Wow
For more serious crimes such as robbery, sexual offense, violence and homicide, prisons work more of a protection for our society than merely punishment for their crimes.
Assuming such serious crimes occur more frequently in other countries than in the Nordic ones (which I believe they do), I just don’t see the Nordic system would change the game in a big way. I think it’s a good additional system to adapt for minor crimes, but I don’t think the key to reduce crimes lies on prison improvements in most other countries.
What a wonderful concept. Rehabilitation for offenders, not pure punishment.
But you didn’t talk about what crimes these people did… rapist and murderers can’t get this treatment
It's not about what crime they commited. Think of it as a murderer who has spent years in prison but is about to get released. Instead of just throwing them back on the streets they spend their last time in open prison to get "eased back into society". This is usually the time they get opportunities for studies or work to increase the chance of turning them into law abiding, tax paying citizens.
@@staropramen478 those are acts of true evil. It can’t be fixed. It’s in you. First of all, murderers (not self defense or accidents) or rapist should never leave a jail cell in their lives
@@LazyNinjass It's in everybody, you should never underestimate what kind of horrors you're capable of given the right circumstances leading up to the acts. Sexual crimes are a whole another topic as are such perpetrators' mindsets unless they also kill. But as for killing someone however it happened you should serve your time and then be welcomed back into society. People get this treatment in Finland. I would know, I'm Finnish and I lived with a murderer for 8 years.
Still, there are those rare cases who spend the rest of their life serving their time and in mental institutions since their self consciousness and overall mindset show no signs of improvement and whatever they did was exceptionally horrific. Allowing them to walk free would get them killed on the spot and it turns out prisons and mental institutions are by far safer places for them. I can think of few examples which happened over the decades.
Your words only confirm the main reason why the prison system is broken mostly everywhere. People usually are more concerned about revenge and punishment rather than building a healthy society. Simple egoism is everywhere.
@@BigSmoke-dn1ef evil monsters don’t deserve human rights
All the Finnish prisons except open prisons have walls, guard, and cells.
it works good in Finland because the population is homogenous. It wont work in US 'cause US is too diverse. Image treating serials killers, child molesters..and so on like this.
Scandinavian countries also have serial killers, child molesters, murderers, a very famous mass bomber in Norway. There are hardened criminals there. I suggest you look up Halden Prison in Norway. It's a MAXIMUM security prison, and I think it will surprise you. Before you do look it up, you should know that Norway's prison system was the same or maybe worse than America's back in the 1980s or 1990s. They realized they obviously needed prison reform. So they implemented it. It worked. Now they have a 20% recidivism rate. The US still has the same prison system and has a 66% recidivism rate.
But there is something REALLY interesting about the US criminal justice system. Crime rates have been falling for years, and they are at their lowest. But incarcerations have been increasing for years and are at their highest. You're right that it wouldn't work in the US because the US prison system is based on private prison companies making money.
Wow. I actually gave a comment to Dom to try and not perpetuate so called doom scrolling with his content. To try and not sell negativety. I had no clue just how good it sells..
This video right here I saw as Dom giving it a try. Probably not because of my comment he didn't even see, just because it is known issue that started way back when mass media of radio, television and newspapers were the only options.. Reporting on tragedies made for greater viewership then reporting on anything possitive or constructive..
6.5k views versus on avarage few 100k views on negative subjects on other countries presented in interesting way..
We trully are doomed. Our own biasis will be the end of anything good. Decent mental health, possitive news, even our civilisation as a whole. Fuck.
Because there from there own culture ,not like in North America where international criminals run the jail .
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I feel like this works so much in finland because of the lack of diversity in the population. This would not work in america.
you never said what % of Finland prisoners reoffend. this video was just you making speculation. And i already know that Scandinavia has a different approach because i saw a video about prisons in Norway. So video told me nothing new and was a waste of my time. i am unsubscribing.
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@@thedespoiler I apologies. i was obviously not paying attention properly. i am going to resubscribe.
@@jackm2293 lol
@@BigSmoke-dn1ef when you are wrong you are wrong. 🤷♂ best thing to do is admit it and adjust. my bad for watching on x2 speed while also eating...
@@jackm2293
My respect for you quadrupled after you admitted you were wrong,we need more people like you in our world
Nordic countries are just worse at catching people the second time around with no police anywhere, that's why the stats look better.
Agreed if true, do you know where I can find facts supporting these claims?
@@canadiankewldudeyou cant, because its a false claim
@@ludwigmbt I thought so, just wanted to be open minded enough to ask for supporting evidence.
God Bless
Clearance rate of homicide in Finland: around 90%
Meanwhile US: around 50%
@@canadiankewldude Even on its face, it's clearly bullshit. "Second time around" comes with a lot of assumptions and unaccounted for implications. If there aren't enough cops "the second time," why the arrest rate/work load Finland sees currently? If people aren't caught "the second time," that means they're even less likely the third, fourth, etc., so why is something that should be insanely visible not and why no martial law since that much unmitigated repeat crime would necessitate extreme measures?
Prison for punishment. This is not punishment. This is not fair to victims.
So you believe that a prison’s main function is to punish prisoners?
Found the American
Outside of satisfying a revenge fantasy, what functional benefit does retribution provide?
Taking away humanity is not the point of prison. Prison should be based on rehabilitation and reentry into the real world. The US doesn't do that; that's why our recidivism rates are so high.
I've specifically told my parents that if I'm murdered that I don't want them to try to get vengeance. I want them to work with the DA to try to get the murderer the shortest possible prison sentence. The less time he's in prison, the less time he'll learn how to be a better criminal from Crime U. The less time he's in prison, it's more likely that he'll have somewhere to call home when he's out. Most people who reoffend are dropped off on the streets and just have nowhere to go. No job prospects. I understand the US prison system will still not be good and not try to rehabilitate him, but maybe if he sees compassion, he'll want to back into society as an improved person. And that's really SUPPOSED to be the point of prison -- for these men to come out as better people. And the majority of them want to. But it's hard to do when nobody lends you a hand.
Although in the US, the point of prison is profit. Different priorities, different countries. Who can say what the most productive and safest motive is for society as a whole?
@@LongLiveLindsay I am a student researcher in criminology myself (with a focus on rehabilitative and retributive justice), and time and time again in the literature, we find that retribution is associated with worse outcomes both within prison and after release. Unfortunately, the way that criminals are depicted in the media within many cultures like America is in a very dehumanized manner. I think if a lot of these people actually met some of these convicts in person, then while they would by no means excuse their wrongdoings, they might consider their view on justice quite differently.