Using the steel as a thin strike face is a new concept I think, you shouldn't have frag issues, since most of the bullet penetrates that layer, but it appears to do it's job of blunting the projectiles so that the poly can do it's job. Though I am curious if you couldn't get similar results from a ceramic of similar thickness/weight if you could keep it in one piece...
The 1092 G1 has a pretty thin strike face (.155" IIRC), and it's performance was very similar to this. It had trouble with M855A1 from longer than 10.5" barrels. I was hoping this design would come in for less $$, and that seems to be it's crux.
Adept armor also does this with a titanium strike face. The interesting thing about that solution is that you can wear the strikeface alone as a IIIa plate if you want
It would be interesting to see a ballistic plate made of ceramic strike face 5mm thick, 15mm compressed PE and a rear 1.5mm grade 5 titanium BFD mitigation plate all bonded together.
This plate works like old eastern military issuue body armor,like Russia,Ukraine's. Combination of steel plate,softarmor and anti ricochet is similar spec as ceramic plates.
Not bad but still disappointed since the .308 pass-through would disqualify it as NIJ. Seems to be a trend that ar500/armored republic is notoriously weak to M80. But, impressive work on the other calibers. It definitely surprised me that it stopped the screaming M193, and to be honest 855A1 penetrating isn't very surprising.
Why won’t you test the Steel Ops AR600 plate? Its a more traditional design but it seems to stop M193 and M855 at full velocity fairly well and they claim its ready for the RF2 spec.
How about Tuesday? I have tested it. It just takes me a long time to get them published. It's also not that I won't test things either, most of these plates do get expensive, and the Steel Ops were graciously donated by a follower :D
@@BuffRANGE oh epic! I didnt realize you shot these videos that far out. It’s a plate I’ve wanted to see tested on your channel for a long time since you have the best/closest to NIJ process on the internet.
@@MinuteBracelet Life and things usually get in my way and I've just fallen behind. I had over 30 plates for testing that I've been collecting since last year. :O I'll go in spurts of getting 4-5 tested, but then it's 8-12+hr to edit :D
I'm still going with the Militech RF2, and Now the new RMA1092 G2. If money were no object and I could buy new, the XSAPI plates might turn some heads here soon. Adept and Stealth Armor have some interesting plates that could be top contenders too.
M855 and M855A1 even when traveling at subsonic speeds can defeat UHMWPE Level III armor. That transition from super to subsonic is about 500 yards or so. Since there are varying constructions of plates, it's hard to say if a IIIA could at any distance stop M855 or M855A1. M193 would be likely at which point the bullet drops below about 1700 fps, again depending on the 3A type..
I am just thinking if you could use this with a light ceramic plate on the back with Kevlar it might have stop all the threats. I kinda wish you could DIY a ceramic plates almost, similar to if you shot steel armor and wanted to repair it. Maybe the secrete would be to sandwich ceramic between two PE plates, to stop standard and hot ammo... I asked them a while ago if they would do a steel foam plate or a hybrid plate and they sent a reply that they would be coming with one in a month or two in July. Just thinking of better ways, I’ve heard of an article with titanium/steel foam being able to stop BMG. Also safelife defense had 50BMG armor on UA-cam.
Essentially the BMG rated SafeLife Defense armor looks like an entire solid ceramic plate on top of their FRAS Armor system. Maybe just ceramic breaking takes the impact because the bullet didn’t deform. I have thought foam titanium could be used before to contain, flip or deform the bullet.
@@awsomedude9111 It's not a BMG rated plate, what Safelife simply did was double up, wore one rifle armor behind another - which isn't a new concept if you know what you are doing. 50BMG isn't that hard to stop, it's just that any armor built to stop it wouldn't be viable for infantry use. Companies like Ceradyne tried that decades back but the market was simply too niche, and most wearers didn't like the weight even with top end materials.
Yeah I'm not sure on the name change other than maybe because they diversified outside of steel? They also have a subsidiary called Ironside that sells really basic steel armor, and I don't get it. :D
@@timewave02012 Alaskan Ballistics is building one, but you pretty much have to buy a custom barrel. I myself figured at that point, I'd be better off with 22 Creedmoor
Has anyone ever captured super high speed video of a bullet impacting a ceramic armor strike face? Like without a covering to compare it to a steel example? I have seen footage of bullets hitting steel, but never ceramic…
Not a new concept though, they are essentially using the steel like a ceramic strikeface, like the Russians have done with some of their plates. You are still seeing a point of diminishing returns with steel.
I don't understand the concept of, "steel vs ceramic", but I do understand weight is an issue. Why not use both compounds: Put the heavy steel in the back, and put the ceramic tiles in the front. Then wrap it up in an inch of kevlar on the front and back sides. Also, worst case scenario is the worst case. You'll likely get a bad case scenario!
It would be great if you test russian exportable 5.56mm RS101 enhanced penetration cartridge with bullet muzzle velocity 920 m/s. 100 meters range at which at least 60% of bullets fired from AK-101 penetrate a 16mm thick St3 steel plate.
Using the steel as a thin strike face is a new concept I think, you shouldn't have frag issues, since most of the bullet penetrates that layer, but it appears to do it's job of blunting the projectiles so that the poly can do it's job. Though I am curious if you couldn't get similar results from a ceramic of similar thickness/weight if you could keep it in one piece...
The 1092 G1 has a pretty thin strike face (.155" IIRC), and it's performance was very similar to this. It had trouble with M855A1 from longer than 10.5" barrels. I was hoping this design would come in for less $$, and that seems to be it's crux.
Armored Mobility has plates with a steel strike face and PE backer
Adept armor also does this with a titanium strike face. The interesting thing about that solution is that you can wear the strikeface alone as a IIIa plate if you want
@@BuffRANGE
How much does it weigh???
@@t.j.mccarthy3517 the 1092? Or the plate from demo?
As you mentioned in the video Adept Armor is doing the Storm system with a titanium strike face and a polyethylene backer
It would be interesting to see a ballistic plate made of ceramic strike face 5mm thick, 15mm compressed PE and a rear 1.5mm grade 5 titanium BFD mitigation plate all bonded together.
This plate works like old eastern military issuue body armor,like Russia,Ukraine's.
Combination of steel plate,softarmor and anti ricochet is similar spec as ceramic plates.
coming back to the video I think if there was a thin ceramic layer possibly it would have done better, but still is impressive.
I think if they mutlicurved it and dropped $100/each it would rule the 3+ market
Very impressive, both armor and video buffman
Great job!
Thanks for watching
The Soviet Altyn helmet is similar, titanium strike face with an aramic backer.
Not bad but still disappointed since the .308 pass-through would disqualify it as NIJ. Seems to be a trend that ar500/armored republic is notoriously weak to M80.
But, impressive work on the other calibers. It definitely surprised me that it stopped the screaming M193, and to be honest 855A1 penetrating isn't very surprising.
The M80 ball shots were 200+ fps over the NIJ spec. :D
buffman you should design your own armor, you have enough plate guts laying around.
Someday. I don't actually keep this around after the test is complete. They end up in my trash :D
Fantastic review. Really enjoyable details. Lots of different loadings, real food for thought.
Glad it was helpful!
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Literally exchanged fragmentation from coating delamination. To fragmentation from plate deformation 😆
Why won’t you test the Steel Ops AR600 plate? Its a more traditional design but it seems to stop M193 and M855 at full velocity fairly well and they claim its ready for the RF2 spec.
How about Tuesday? I have tested it. It just takes me a long time to get them published. It's also not that I won't test things either, most of these plates do get expensive, and the Steel Ops were graciously donated by a follower :D
@@BuffRANGE oh epic! I didnt realize you shot these videos that far out. It’s a plate I’ve wanted to see tested on your channel for a long time since you have the best/closest to NIJ process on the internet.
@@MinuteBracelet Life and things usually get in my way and I've just fallen behind. I had over 30 plates for testing that I've been collecting since last year. :O I'll go in spurts of getting 4-5 tested, but then it's 8-12+hr to edit :D
Good content as always.
Much appreciated
Interesting stuff! I'd love to see the Ti plates shot.
Great Vid Bubba, very thorough.
My pleasure :)
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Right on!
You were very informative, thanks
Thanks for watching!
If money is no issue. Your life and mobility are the top priorities. What is your top two go to Body Armor Plates? Thus question is for everyone.
I'm still going with the Militech RF2, and Now the new RMA1092 G2. If money were no object and I could buy new, the XSAPI plates might turn some heads here soon. Adept and Stealth Armor have some interesting plates that could be top contenders too.
FRAS rifle armor.
@@lancekilkenny721 I have the standalone version tested. It did very well too.
@@BuffRANGE It's crazy how comfortable it is despite the weight.
Are you angry at the gun? It seems like you are trying to rip the bolt out of it. 😂
The Savage 110 bolt isn't the smoothest to run :D
I wonder how well it would do with Steel in front and back
How far away would you need to be for a 3a plate to stop any kind of rifle round? (If you have the answer could you explain why (with the math)).
M855 and M855A1 even when traveling at subsonic speeds can defeat UHMWPE Level III armor. That transition from super to subsonic is about 500 yards or so. Since there are varying constructions of plates, it's hard to say if a IIIA could at any distance stop M855 or M855A1. M193 would be likely at which point the bullet drops below about 1700 fps, again depending on the 3A type..
I am just thinking if you could use this with a light ceramic plate on the back with Kevlar it might have stop all the threats.
I kinda wish you could DIY a ceramic plates almost, similar to if you shot steel armor and wanted to repair it.
Maybe the secrete would be to sandwich ceramic between two PE plates, to stop standard and hot ammo...
I asked them a while ago if they would do a steel foam plate or a hybrid plate and they sent a reply that they would be coming with one in a month or two in July.
Just thinking of better ways, I’ve heard of an article with titanium/steel foam being able to stop BMG. Also safelife defense had 50BMG armor on UA-cam.
Essentially the BMG rated SafeLife Defense armor looks like an entire solid ceramic plate on top of their FRAS Armor system. Maybe just ceramic breaking takes the impact because the bullet didn’t deform. I have thought foam titanium could be used before to contain, flip or deform the bullet.
@@awsomedude9111 It's not a BMG rated plate, what Safelife simply did was double up, wore one rifle armor behind another - which isn't a new concept if you know what you are doing.
50BMG isn't that hard to stop, it's just that any armor built to stop it wouldn't be viable for infantry use. Companies like Ceradyne tried that decades back but the market was simply too niche, and most wearers didn't like the weight even with top end materials.
why didn't you do 855A1 out of the 22?
Penetration from the 10.5" negated the need to up the speed :D
@@BuffRANGE I typed that before watching the full episode lol. My bad
@@c-j.. No worries!
Wait so AR500 made such a good name for themselves they had to change it?
Also love how rusty the plates are, still zero shits given
Yeah I'm not sure on the name change other than maybe because they diversified outside of steel? They also have a subsidiary called Ironside that sells really basic steel armor, and I don't get it. :D
Good work brother..
Thank you !
Maybe a 22-250 would be a good addition....i love your videos thanks
22-250 doesn’t have the twist rates needed. I want to build a 22 CM but those are limited as well.
@@BuffRANGE I see reports of "fast twist" 22-250, but I can't seem to find where to buy one.
@@timewave02012 Alaskan Ballistics is building one, but you pretty much have to buy a custom barrel. I myself figured at that point, I'd be better off with 22 Creedmoor
@@BuffRANGE Yeah, probably.
Great vid as always ! All armor bows to the king 🤴 lol
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Armored Republic needs to go thicker make a A3 2.0 make it a level 4 stand alone keep it under 9 lbs that would be a plate that would be a tuff plate
I would think they could do it with how they have this laid up..
I was honestly wondering recently how something like this would perform. (uhmw + ar500)
Has anyone ever captured super high speed video of a bullet impacting a ceramic armor strike face? Like without a covering to compare it to a steel example? I have seen footage of bullets hitting steel, but never ceramic…
Yeah but the angles aren't the best: ua-cam.com/video/YAvuA6ty5Pw/v-deo.html
Not a new concept though, they are essentially using the steel like a ceramic strikeface, like the Russians have done with some of their plates. You are still seeing a point of diminishing returns with steel.
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I’m Curious About If It Will Handle The M-193 At 3250 FPS Thru a 20” 1:7 Twist Barrel Like My M16A4 Clone Rifle 😮😊 Reminder Set Buffman 😀
I don't understand the concept of, "steel vs ceramic", but I do understand weight is an issue. Why not use both compounds: Put the heavy steel in the back, and put the ceramic tiles in the front. Then wrap it up in an inch of kevlar on the front and back sides. Also, worst case scenario is the worst case. You'll likely get a bad case scenario!
Thanks to your wife letting you make the video😉
$400/plate though.
that IMO is the crux of it. It's lightweight and thing, but at $400, I can swing 1lb more for the new G2 from RMA and stop M855A1, and for $100 less.
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It would be great if you test russian exportable 5.56mm RS101 enhanced penetration cartridge with bullet muzzle velocity 920 m/s. 100 meters range at which at least 60% of bullets fired from AK-101 penetrate a 16mm thick St3 steel plate.
I likely have No way to obtain such a bullet. Sorry :(
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