002 Loudspeaker placement (short version)
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- My practical and easy two step approach to loudspeaker placement, the short version. It's just a step by step instruction with hardly any explanation on the reasons why. If you want to know more background, please read the article at thehbproject.co... or watch the long version of the video. And please do leave comments below if things are not clear; I love to learn from you what can be improved in the video.
If you want to know more about my book on streaming audio, please check this page: / thehansbeekhuyzenchannel
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This is the most practical video on speaker placement that I have seen on UA-cam. Great job, Sir! 👏👏👏
Glad you enjoyed it!
The most simply logical advice I have ever heard about speaker placement. Thank-you...
FINALLY! so many experts out there and after watching their vids it only leaves you more confused, thank you for the simple common-sense explanation.
Glad you liked it!
This video may have been released in 2014 but the information is timeless.
Physics is timeless😀
I have helped many, non audiophiles with their system set up and found the following to be a great place to start the speaker setup when faced with a traditional rectangular room and reasonable flexibility in placement. 1. Measure the width and length of the room. 2. Start you speaker location on an odd multiple of both width and length. Eg. in a 15 by 18 room, you would place each speaker either 3 (1/5), 5 (1/3), 6 (2/5) from side walls and 6 (1/3), 3.6 (1/5) 2.5 (1/7) from back wall. 3. Use the same method to pick you starting listening position. 4. Always keep the mentioned triangle in mind to help the proper choice of the options (which odd multiple to choose for each measure) always making sure the final distance is an odd multiple of the room dimension. Hopefully the height of the speaker will also be an odd multiple of the floor to ceiling. Sometimes, with the specific room, it works like a charm and sometimes, it just does not work out well. But it is an easy exercise to start a setup and might speed up the rest of the process as described in this video.
This video was targeted at the people you helped over the years. Odd numbers are the way to prevent to excite room modes, so I agree fully, but I wanted people to start playing with loudspeaker placement without 'math'.
Ray Schoepfer c pg
Thanks !
Could you please suggest dipole speaker placement in a 20,5 x 12,3 x 8,2 feet room? Thanks.
I have the original Quad 57 (with Decca tweeters) and I use the same method as described above but measuring from the center of the woofer section of the quads. A very important consideration on dipoles is to have lots of room behind them. So using the 1/3 or 1/5 rule for their placement is very important to make sure you have adequate room behind them. I realize that some dipoles will have more that 1 woofer panel so you will have to do the best you can. On my Quads, there are two mid/woofer panels so I take the center between them. I have not spent a huge amount of time playing further with placement because that would take away valuable time listening to music 🙂
Greetings from India. A simple and great video! Thanks.
Glad you liked it!
@7:35 hilarity ensues! This is a GREAT video!
Thanks, spread the word
Thank you for your video, its really helpful. Im a beginner to a stereo system. Setting up bass response right is like night and day.
Great to hear!
Hans.... thank you so much for this concise and helpful guide to this complex subject.
Glad it was helpful!
Simply best explanation.
Thanks a lot .,,
Perfect explanation
Glad you liked it
Excellent explanation. I've just discored your channel a few days ago.
Greetings from Argentina!!!
Sir you have done an top notch efforts...
Thank you very much
Brilliant presentation, thank you Sir
Pragmatic, exact...no Voodoo...perfect!
ehhe, , , we still wish
Thanks, unfortunately my speaker site can't be changed, but I've played around with my room, and made real improvements, even with my distinctly budget vintage system. One entire wall of my study is books, so I've removed a few here and there. Unfortunately the other three walls have large windows/ doors, so if listening seriously I draw the curtains.
When summer comes I'll be interested to hear what it sounds like if I open the doors opposite the speakers, so effectively the whole end of the 4m wide room is open. I live over a km from the nearest road, and that has only the occasional vehicle, so I'm in a very quiet environment- my nearest neighbour (2km) says he can tell what genre of music I'm listening to.
I think you better watch your levels🥴😄
What to listen for when you set up the speakers for low-end? Tight Bass, a lot of Bass? Thanks
Great Video btw
What a fantastic tutorial... Thank you, sir! :)
+Mark Crawshaw Thank you for the compliment. It was my pleasure to do.
This brilliant, to the point advice!
You did quite a good job here, Sir.
+Stephen Vogt Tnx. Spread the word;-)
Nicely Done.
This was done 9 years ago.Hats off.
Have you updated this since then are thinking about updating it ?
Thanks
Are there things that need updating?
Man, I am appreciative - don't get me wrong - but you are dispensing audio advice to 100k Viewers, when you could be causing 2 mil. ASMR zombies to purr like cats in front of the fire[lace.
C'mon, Hans, cash in! Your voice is UA-cam GOLD!
Awsome tips.. shows your experience.. TnQ for sharing your knowledge...
I understand what you mean, but I need to fit my hifi inside a family living room with a wide selection of furnishings. I need my own room!
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What do we do in the case of using bi-polar panel speakers (electrostatic, or planar magnetic )?
great video
Great video, Thanks!
Hans,
This is a very practical and outstanding video. Have you ever provided a video for a room set up on the diagonal with a fireplace in the corner. The speakers are on each side of the fireplace.
Would I still consider the same principles in speaker set up?
Your input is appreciated.
Thank You
Yes, use the same approach.
Thank you
Nice tutorial bedankt !
All well and good, but I’m not sure if most people have the extra speaker cable length required for this technique!
Any lamp cord will do.
Did a click, thank you very much.
Great video 👍.
Thanks 👍
Great video Hans. What's your advice for a setup with electrostatics, I have a set of Final i300 and Final s110.
You might watch this video: ua-cam.com/video/wdrEjm8K9M0/v-deo.html
Thank you Hans for directing me to your other video. Appreciated. Cheers
Curtains, Mirrors and all that - hm, I have seen this so many times. Sound are no light beams which could be treated by just a small absorbing area. Many people forget, that floor and ceiling will cause the first reflection. And curtains usually do more harm since they kill highs only.
Thank you for the clear explanation. Unfortunately despite your indications my room is a nightmare. What about inverting the triangle (listener and two speakers on the base) facing the front wall and using reflected waves with some angle adjustment?
I had the idea when you explained the reverse positioning for the lower tones (fantastic); I don't know why but seems to improve stereo image in my setting. Other more "correct" combinations result flat and unbalanced. Excuse for the embarrassing question.
Nicolò
If it works, it works.
Respected Sir, just one request, my room dimensions is 10feet wide and 19feet long, I have used 4 feet floor standing speaker box , tow speaker dox distance between 8feet but unfortunately I have no bass effect in centre position but the opposite corners from the speakers to much bass effect please Please guide me for correct position in my speaker so just I feel enough bass effect in learning position.
I can't do personal assistance. Please follow the video and you must find the best placement.
Great video! I especially like the part with the string. Never heard about that before.
I have a question about finding the best spot by being on your hands and knees. I have my studio completely setup and can't move my desk. Can i just walk with my ears at the hight of the woofer while the speaker is in my chair?
Thanks!
sure, height is slightly less important.
Thank you!
Sir, Thanks for the nice video. A quick question on the highs. What if I don't have a side walls near the speakers should I still need to take care of highs? For instance, I have my speakers placed in living room which extends to a dinning in one side and other side the wall is not close by. In this case would the highs still bounce anywhere?
If there is no wall, there is no bouncing
for the tuning of low frequencies, when I place my speaker at my listening position, I should have it pointing at the front wall correct ? Secondly, when i am moving around the room trying to find out where the bass sounds good, do I have to do it on my hands and knees as shown in your diagram?
Pointing the speaker away from you does let you concentrate more on the low end. Finding the place where the bass sounds good should be done in all dimensions, but if you start standing up and when you think you found the place you can then move your head to about the hight the woofer is. But that's not really critical since room modes are at frequencies that are twice the length of the room and multiple frequencies thereof.
Good day sir, thank you for making these videos, they are very helpful and interesting. I would like to ask a question, if you move the speaker to the listening position does it face the same direction and will face away from you or must the speaker face your direction?
I would face it away from where you start listening. Remember, you only want to judge the low frequencies and they are radiated in all directions equally.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel thank you sir I will do that method. I have only just discovered your channel now and I am still a beginner but I am excited to continue to learn from your videos and share with my friends.
I have a stunning vintage audio setup in my room. After watching this video I can see that my room and the surrounds are perfectly placed as well as the speakers. However I've been wanting to move my system into a 2. 8x3.8 meter garden shed, sheet metal. Do you think this is plausible with sound damping?
hard to say from a distance. Sorry.
Out of all the videos I've watched on speaker positioning, this is by far the best. Thank you.
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Hello Hans, lovely video, thanks a lot for the education. here is a question for you: I am moving my studio in to an attic space, and the side walls where the first reflections happen are also part of the triangular ceiling. what to do in this situation regarding absorption or reflection?
Sorry, can't do personalised advise. Just lack of time.
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel not to worry my friend,i totally understand. 🙏🏽
Hans, At 6:00 you talk about 1.7m as critical distance. This is (1.7m)/(344m/s)~=5ms delay. My question is why 1.7m (5ms)? Early reflections are up to 30-50ms so this reflections gets in that range.
Early reflections are defined by the room and not by some defined standard. If you place a speaker in front of a wall, the sound will be reflected by that wall. If the distance is smaller than 85 cm that reflected sound will produce an early reflection lower than 5 ms after the direct sound. Our ears will integrate all sound within that 5 ms window so that early reflection will colour the sound. Therefore all reflected sound should at least travel that 1.7m extra to prevent this.
Thanks for the answer. I understand what you mean, user should draw a line somewhere and 5ms looks like a good minimum to start with. It's unrealistic (maybe even undesirable) to create a "small room" with very little amount of early reflections in 0-30ms range (0-10m) or so. Thanks again for such a good video.
A small room can't have 30 ms early reflections. 30 ms is 10 meters. How would you have 30 ms early reflections in a 5 x 4 x 2.8 meter room?
Isn't that possible via multiple reflections of walls, ceiling, and/or floor? I though that early reflections are any reflections (not just first reflections) that get to your ear after a direct sound in maximum of 20-50 ms. Brain can't distinguish those reflections from direct sound and that is the main problem. Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
you rocks
what if you are using a column speaker like the Mackie srm flex??
Same basic rules apply.
Hans, help! Unfortunately my tower speakers are twice as wide as they are from my seat. My room is well treated with absorbers and bass traps. Music and HT sounds great to me but we both know how well our brain works to “fix” the sound. I can’t turn my room to use the length so the width is what I have to use. My speakers are pointed to the outside of my ears. Near impossible fix but I figured I’d ask anyway. Tanks so much.
I really can't help you.
Hi In the first speaker placement example for lows do I turn the speaker around to face the front wall from my listening position as I listen?
You better aim it away from the front wall just to loose eventual mids and highs.
genius
What a great joke! "Costly proffesional solution but they often led to even more costly divorces"
….if it wasn’t so sad 😢
2 meters narrow for a studio placement? wow!!! 3 is way too much...unless u are talking about big speaker for a movie theater
There is no truth, only general rules
Haha je kunt horen dat je nederlands bent
Great video!
What to listen for when you set up the speakers for low-end? Tight Bass, a lot of Bass? Thanks
Great Video btw
+Desss Records sorry, I missed your question. You want the highest level of bass.
@@tomaszoslizo9226 , , , was thinking about those
add a sub =)
Hans, thanks for your advice! One question (hopefully not a dumb one)... Can a 1 way (full range, no separate tweeter) vertical bookshelf/satellite speaker be placed horizontally behind and ceiling height, and angled toward the seating area for rear surround or Atmos audio?
I have no experience with Atmos. Sorry.
Great considerations ! Really helps. But how to manage the group effect of so many columns, piling vertically some equal speakers ? THX !!
I have no idea what you meen
@@TheHansBeekhuyzenChannel thank You for considering my question ! And here is the topic: when you pile up some transducers having the same role, occurs a comb filter effect IF You are not at equidistance of them. Of course, this has a relation with the wavelength, but lets remind that 2KHz is 17cm, and a quarter of it , combiend in space si a huge bandwith accident. Therefore, I consider that one may not pile speakers having the same role - appart from arrays. Thanks a lot, have a nice day.
You in essence gave the answer yourself. Using identical drivers close to each other should not be done unless the rules for an array are applied. The basic rule is that the acoustical centre of the drivers should not be placed further away than half the wave length of the lowest frequency they reproduce.
Seems like a great method. I am going to try it.
Hope you enjoy
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One of the best videos I've so far seen on UA-cam.