Neil Gaiman reveals why Alan Moore's Miracleman is brilliant
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2024
- Miracleman (née Marvelman) began as a ripoff of Shazam - the original Captain Marvel - created for UK readers in the mid-1950s. The character faded away in the 1960s but stuck in the imaginations of kids from that era. In 1982, a revival led by Alan Moore changed the course of superhero comics forever.
Neil Gaiman was handpicked by Moore to continue the series after he left. With Shazam! opening this weekend, it felt like a good time for him to deliver a (free) masterclass on Miracleman, Alan Moore, and the beginning of modern superhero storytelling.
Featuring:
@neilhimself
Videography by Russ Hull
Edited and produced by John W. Smith
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Me waiting for the continuation of Miracleman...💀⚰
@@birthmoviesdeath what's the hold up? He says he hopes MARVEL will complete it... I'd think they would if he would write it and Buckingham would draw it. Why wouldn't they publish it?
@@artcohen2254 As far as I remember they ended up having some unforeseen legal issues that slowed things down, and I think Buckingham decided to redo bunch of old pages to make the continuation more smooth.
@@stefanmrkonjic9279 The Marvelman hardcover collections have NOT sold well.
The initial highorders declined very quickly. and they've been a sales bomb for Marvel.
They could not get rid of the reprints of the original B&W Marvelman comics so they stopped that series cold.
As for the 1980s/1990s material, it, too, has NOT sold well, either. I've seen Marvelman volumes (hardcovers) pop up at Ollie's which is a discount chain that sells the things (books, toys, videos, whatever-you-name-it) that DIDN'T sell anywhere else including many of the last 3 years of Star Wars toys!
When something ends up at Ollie's that's an indication that they overproduced that item and it just wasn't selling.
This past year, they dumped over a quarter-million graphic novels --hardcovers and trade paperbacks-- into Ollie's because the distributor could NOT unload these on comic shops. They just were not selling these books and the bookstore chains left (B&N, Books A Million, Half-Price Books) didn't want these graphic novels, either.
There is a graphic novel glut and guess what? Marvel and DC STILL haven't figured that out yet! Manga is doing okay but they can't get rid of most supehero books. There weren't a lot of people who want to buy $100+ omnibus editions of MORE POPULAR characters but there were even fewer people who wanted to spend $25-$40 per book on a British character that has only a cult audience (very small) appeal in the US.
I frankly think they're years late to the game where Marvelman is concerned. Many of those fans from the 1990s have moved onto other things and have left the comic book hobby.
There were never huge print runs on the Miracleman comics to begin with. It had a limited audience and was never the most popular book. I'm not knocking it but don't equate "critical darling" with sales success or literary critics even understanding what most buyers think about comics. There's always been a huge gulf between the critics in most industries and the consumers who actually buy things.
@@AvengerII Archie Goodwin had a similar story to tell with his and Walt Simonson's Manhunter feature in Detective Comics. After mentioning how taking a risk like that would make you a hero or not matter because sales were already bad, he wrote: "To forestall any possible suspense...I didn't become a hero. But there was, as they say in show biz, critical success." The same would seem to apply here.
@@johnathonhaney8291 It's a shame for people who are fans of this character but Marvelman just hasn't sold that many books since Marvel brought the character back onto the market.
I think they waited too long to bring him back. Most of the fans that liked the character storylines in the Miracleman days are gone I'm fairly sure. The question is whether Moore and Gaiman are big sellers, or are they niche and sell well for certain titles. That seems to be the case for Grant Morrison... His original works don't sell but anytime he's on Batman or Superman, that's a different story.
Right now, the publishers need to sell more quality-level books and stop playing games like they are now but I think it's too late for the Direct Market. Dumping a bunch of books at Ollie's and publishing anything in trades in vain hope that those books will sell anywhere is not working for them.
I cornered Alan Moore (when I was a kid) at a comic mart in Glasgow and gushed about Marvelman; he was this towering hippie and was mega nice to me but corrected me cos I described 'Marveldog' as 'Superdog'
...in my youthful enthusiasm.
@Agent Milos Please, what do you mean?
@Neil Brown You must be a joy at parties
@Neil Brown Nobody cares.
lmao that sounds like alan moore
@@johanliebert4622 .... so what yer sayin is there used to be a Neil Brown here, eh?
Alan Moore, took comics seriously, and im glad he did
@Neil Brown Calm down, kid.
And yet the comic book industry took advantage of his contributions.
@@alexphillips4644 if DC didn't fuck him over. Imagine where he would be right now at DC. He would probably be what Jim Lee or Geoff Johns is now.
Not really, He kinda took away from the hopeful optimism I made the superhero genre dreary and depressing.
@@Blitz_Storm u have a point, but its not his fault EVERYONE copyd him, at the time it was revolutionary.
The way Gaiman says comics with such warmth and love almost makes me tear up just from that one word. What a legend
I like how Neil Gaiman is slowly turning into a mage
Probably a side effect from long term Alan Moore exposure.
He's turning into Rincewind :)
Slowly?
Morrison, Moore and Gaiman are the closet things people will come to meeting Mage Bards.
It's not a passive effect - he's continuously grinding out experience points.
"Turning"?
I don't know if its a reference or not, but in the Shazam film, the school security guard's name tag said "Moran" and I was very pleased.
I noticed that too, pretty sure it is a reference.
I'm just not getting an extra layer to that joke. Thank you.
It's a subtle shoutout.
I told my wife this, and she shrugged - but I knew.
I asked the director David F Sandberg about this on Twitter and he replied:
"It wasn't scripted. John Moran is part of the art department (they like to use their own names for fun when they create things like name tags). In one take Zac improvised the "detective Moron" bit and it made me laugh so I put it in the movie.
Moran is also the chairman of the school's board of education (along with other names from the art department)."
I hope that Marvel lets you finish your Miracleman run soon. This was an amazing video about a criminally underrated comic book series. Alan Moore is truly one of the GOATs.
I thought he did finish it, wasn’t that the point of Marvel buying the rights and republishing the series?
I've assumed the basic outline of what Gaiman & Buckingham wanted to do was pretty much set. It just needed some final changes and Buckingham needed to put pen to paper to re-illustrate an issue or two. But that's all heresay like anything else involving Marvelman.
it is the greatest marvel's graphic novel of all time.
Woefully, the majority, notably the infinity saga's & multiverse narratives' fans wouldn't get it & resort to solely loathing it
Wish granted Neil and Mark are back at Marvel finishing their story.
Moore's Miracleman #15 is possibly the most epic comic ever written... and Neil Gaiman is a genius as well as being a super nice guy.
👍🏻. The preface of vol.3 might be challanging, but diving into it was such a great and memorable experience. Ought to be the greatest marvel's graphic novel of all time,
but all we have are bunches of infinity saga's and milky multiverse narratives' fans, though they might learn soon enough
It's the only comic where the scale and horror of the destruction an evil superman might unleash felt accurately depicted. So much of London destroyed, and so many people killed in such bizarre, almost baroque ways "as though he were waiting, as though he were just killing time..." to paraphrase some of MM's narration. The same with the battle to destroy KM--actually, both battles, first in #2 and later in #15. They are the only ones that truly capture something of what it must be like to watch 'when gods cry war amidst the thunder.'
I haven't read this series in probably 15 years, despite owning either the whole thing or all but the very last issue and yet certain lines still glow in my memory. What an amazing, even miraculous, series. :) I truly hope it gets legally fully detangled and reprinted someday. That series is why I love superheroes to this day.
Alan Moore's Marvelman is one of my all-time favourite comic-books, and John Totleben's art on it definitely the most beautiful pages I've ever had the luck to read. I was scared when I heard Neil Gaiman would take on the character. Moore's run was perfect in itself and I only knew mr. Gaiman's name, but I've been very happy to see that he is as sensitive and poetical as Alan Moore when he writes the character, no one could have worked after Moore but him.
For me, Neil Gaiman is the only guy who can take over for Alan Moore.👍
Neil Gaiman is too awesome! I need to read his Miracle Man some day. I sure hope Alan Moore’s run gets an omnibus edition too. ASAP.
It was awesome
Look for the greyscale version. Beautiful
@House of El except when miracleman fucking kisses young miracleman. Fucking why???? Bad writing that's why.
I'm glad I got the entirety of the series, save the very last one. Amazing run as a whole. Moore's run is slightly better to me.
@@johnLennon255 Nah.
Miracleman (Marvelman) is the most powerfull, incredible, necessary comic book in the all times. It's pure art! Thank You, Alan Moore!
It's hard to believe we'd ever see a proper ending for Miracle Man. Kid Miracleman was legit terrifying when I was a kid. People talk about the emotional weight of Watchmen, but for me that's Miracleman.
Whoever runs Marvel now would have to be literally INSANE not to let Gaiman finish his story if that's what he wants to do.
Neil's run on Miracleman is one of my favorite things in any superhero comic, ever. The idea of superheroes as gods that are too large for us to fully understand - but that we're also too small for them, really, and they'll never quite care about us the way we keep imagining they will. I think about it anytime Batman or Superman or Iron Man or any of them goes out in the world and smashes things and stops the bad guys. We imagine ourselves as those superheroes, but really we're all the schmucks on the ground, trying to dodge the falling buildings.
Wow
I don't see why it would be difficult for us as regular humans to understand them when they're pretty much always depicted as having very "human" motivations - Power, control, love, acceptance, adoration, devotion, etc... These are all things that ordinary humans seek to gain, superhumans are just able to do it on a much larger scale. I mean, how is your example of superhumans smashing things causing the regular people on the ground to have to try and dodge out of the way of falling buildings any different than super-rich CEOs making decisions that screw over the poor and ruin their lives (e.g. the Mortgage Crisis in 2008), or real life dictators who commit mass genocide? Or an even closer analogy, the US dropping the atomic bomb during WWII - That was a case of a few regular humans deciding to cause unimaginable destruction for what they thought was the greater good, very similar to how superheroes will casually destroy cities in pursuit of stopping the bad guys.
Again, I disagree with Alan Moore that most superhumans would be beyond the comprehension of regular people (Doctor Manhattan is a special case because he's closer to a god due to his insane time-perception and reality-warping powers which most superheroes don't possess), because at the end of the day most superhumans ARE just regular people from a mind/consciousness stand point, they just have greatly enhanced hardware.
I think that depends on the hero. Saying that "they'll never quite care about us the way we keep imagining they will" ignores the fact that we have, in fact, imagined that some of them do care about us. That's kind of what a comic book is.
One writer had Damian take ten hours to cross Gotham because he kept stopping to help the schmucks (like an old lady get on a bus). It once took Batman three days.
@@crabbieappleton Is that true...? I haven't read any Batman in a long time. Wow, Damien's come a LOOONG way from his insufferable UBER-douchebag origins. Haha
@@LoganBluth Miracleman and all the other Gargunza-created heroes were more than mere humans, though, both in terms of bodies and in terms of minds and consciousnesses. There's a scene where Mick is describing to Liz the difference between how he, the mortal, loves her, and how he, the demigod, does. "With him, it's just so huge and so pure and so clean, and with me it's all mixed in with whose turn it is to do the dishes..." It's a rough paraphrase, but that's roughly what Mick said and Miracleman.
He clearly comes to regard himself as nearly two separate beings, and MIracleman is meant to be far more intelligent, as well as having a very remote view of normal humanity; the miraclebabies of later issues are shown to be even more so. He can't understand why Liz feels such intense jealousy and hatred for Miraclewoman, for example, after the two of them have aerial sex all over London, their auras creating a fireworks show throughout the sky. And when he decides to turn into MM for good and cease being Michael Moran, his human self is shown mourning this, but not his superself.
While not as alien or as remote as Dr. Manhattan, the Gargunza-created superclones that become the Miraclepeople are meant to be humanity, synthetically evolved to a peak of power and perfection so far in advance of normal old mundane us that mutual understanding hangs by a thread. I don't have any trouble believing this, personally, given the literature that shows the difficulty of understanding existing between people whose IQs are three standard deviations from each other or more have serious difficulties in communicating, understanding the other's perspective...or the research I heard about that shows most people with sub-90 IQs have enormous trouble understanding conditionals, hypotheticals, and counter-factuals.
Miracleman was an incredibly well written and thought provoking "comic". I still think about it 30 years after reading Alan Moore & Neil Gaimans deconstruction of the superman. Highly recommended to anyone who wants a more serious and realistic take on the traditional comic. Still hopeful for The Silver Age & The Dark Age , anyone knows whats happening with these?
I still remember how the story blew me away back in the day. And still does. I'm just waiting for the time when I can share the book with my kid in a few years...
Cant wait for silver age and dark age, Neil Gaiman, your the man x)
I've been collecting comics for nearly 40 years, I've read about this in Wizard and other places, but this was the best explanation I have ever read.
Hearing Neil give credit to Alan is powerful
Looking forward to him finishing Miracleman so that we get Miracleman by Gaiman Omnibus.
And the crazy thing is that no one else remembers Miracleman either, and Moore does a great job explaining why.
We don't deserve Neil Gaiman.
@Jason Strom this was such a lengthy & unnecessary response in that the absurdity of it almost deserves its own comic book lol. You could base your character on the topic of envy & how you feel it deeper than anyone could relate to or comprehend. Please elaborate on my idea. Take care lol
@Jason Strom
To be fair, I can see Neil Gaiman or Alan Moore or other famous sci-fi/fantasy authors writing the same thing that you've written in your comment (not in the same words, but something similar). Definitely recommend checking out Neil's "Make Good Art" book and David Bayles' "Art & Fear" book, and hope y'all get back into writing again (not for the fame or validation, but for some level of fulfillment or labor of love with writing)!
@Neil Brown Seriously, shut up already and give your mother her phone back.
I love the irony that Miracle Man's creator wasn't happy about Moore's revamp.
"I had been doing comics for 40-something years when I finally retired,. When I entered the comics industry, the big attraction was that this was a medium that was vulgar, it had been created to entertain working class people, particularly children. The way that the industry has changed, it’s graphic novels now, it’s entirely priced for an audience of middle class people" Moore explained. "I have nothing against middle class people but it wasn’t meant to be a medium for middle aged hobbyists. It was meant to be a medium for people who haven’t got much money." Says Alan Moore, in no way implicating his boarding school educated, graphic novel writing friend, Neil Gaiman.
I love this so much I am so glad I watched this. Neil and Alan are so amazing.
Neil Gaiman and Alan Moore were two of the best writers in comics history.
I absolutely loved the story with multiple Warhols especially when you realise MM was trying to perfect the technology around 'fixing' his creator ... Gattaca in a bottle. Waited for this almost as long as Zenith. Make it so.
He is so correct when he suggests that these stories though still good are not really understood as being so totally new because they grew up on what came after. I remember reading Warrior comic when these stories first came out and it was just draw dropping stuff back then.
i honestly love this man, so humble and so smart.
An amazing connection in the Miracleman comic is that the guy that made the Miracle Family was looking for a logical explanation to their powers and the way to activate them so they didn't question where they got them and he founds a Shazam comic book in a bar and he thinks is perfect.
First time I saw him was in Warrior magazine in the early 80's. I would have been about 16, kept me buying comics a couple more years before I traded comics for boozing at the pub and chasing girls. Two divorces later I sometimes wish I stayed with comics. I had nearly 2000 Marvel, DC and Indie comics. I sold the lot for $1200 back in 1984. Would have been worth a fortune today. I had all the Key Daredevil and X-Men issues and a ton of first issues going back to the late 60's. Makes me very sad.
So when will Neil be completing his run on Miracleman?
It's a work in progress, Neil has been very busy working on turning his books into TV shows, like American Gods and Good Omens. Marvel have said that they will only start printing the final comics when they are all completed !
@@secretsquirrel9214 Where dd this info come from? Other than the postings from last year there have been no official updates.
@@conan1982 Marvel announced new Miracleman by Neil Gaiman at the Diamond Retailer Lunch at San Diego Comic-Con. Marvel said the new series will be out in 2019. They asked the retailers not to let this news out of the room.
Never ?
Seeing an advert featuring Neil Gaiman, before watching a video featuring Neil Gaiman
Miracleman is one of my favorite comic series for all the reasons Neil touched on in this video! I'm hoping Marvel let's Neil and Buckingham continue their story the way they intended too without interference or mandated changes to tone or aesthetic. Can't wait!
at long last miracleman gets its due. alan moore´s miracleman IS SOOOOO MUCH more important than watchmen is. actually, miracleman is the big bang of modern comics.
Gerald Herrmann I’d take that one step further and add that Maximmortal is right there along side Miracleman.
And yet no one remembers Squadron Supreme, which took the basic idea of Miracleman and applied it to a Justice League analogue. I've come to think it was more important than Watchmen.
@@johnathonhaney8291 yes, right, that was the seed
You guys are looking too much at superheroes. In terms of showing what graphic novels can do or be, Watchmen is more important. MM is still great, but it doesn't have the sheer complexity of Watchmen
@@Matthew-ve7uv I've read Watchmen many times but I've come to conclude that it was a lot more shallow than its fans would like to believe.
I was 11 & 12 years old when I got every Warrior magazine at a 2nd hand book store in 1982/1983. So many incredible stories/characters, truly under rated treasure.
I remember reading Miracleman back in the 80s -- it was such a ground breaker in that Moore assumed his audience were adults.
“Elegantly ripping them off” applicable to nearly everything
It always seems like a little bit of a miracle when a good story that was cut off before its time is allowed to finally reclaim its destiny. It's one of those reversals which almost justifies the initial tragedy. Provided it's done correctly! Though even then, there's that palpable sense of gratitude upon completion. It becomes greater, in a sense, for having come back from its grey area to finish its work!
Hold on this ain't Neil Gaiman, that's Steven Spielberg.
.... I was just thinking that!
Gaiman. Lovely man.
It’s a work of art.
Might still be my favourite Moore comic. I used to have a tradition of going back and reading it once a year. I should start again, maybe...
I like Alan Moore's 1980s post-modern deconstructionist take on Marvelman a.k.a. Miracleman. It's among his greatest works alongside V For Vendetta and Watchmen.
I would like to see a live action movie, or a live action T.V. series of Marvelman and/or Miracleman but unfortunately they would just mess it all up. Even if it was an animated motion picture or an animated television series, they would still just mess it all up.
It's a shame, too. It would make a hell of Japanese anime or a high-budget independent film.
Oh, well. 😔
I couldn't more agree. I think a moviemaker with strong personnality such as Denis Villeneuve or Nicolas Winding Refn with Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd for the soundtrack would perfectly shape Miracleman.
Considering that Shazam came out recently it's difficult to say whether it's likely to be adapted.
On the one hand the character is now more relevant than he has been in quite some time, but conversely it might need some time before general audiences are interested in having it satirised, let alone are able to understand the distinction between the two.
Yeah i don't really see Disney tackle that rape-scene from the books. Or any of the other more adult subjects for that matter.
Just commenting here again to say, finally Miracleman by Neil Gaiman and Mark Buckingham continues on in Miracleman silver age #1. Thanks Neil and Mark!!!!
Any Alan Moore/Alan Davis team up is going to be good....
For anyone deeply interested in knowing more about Marvelman/Miracleman should try and find a book titled, Kimota! The Miracleman Companion, it delves into the complexity involving the legal rights to the character, Alan Moore's beef with Marvel, why it was never finished (other than Eclipse going out of business) and some highly interesting interviews with everyone involved with working on the Miracleman.
Yes! I own a copy of Kimota! It may be a bit hard to find now however. I recently saw a copy on ebay listed at $100.
I wish Marvel would allow Neil Gaiman to finish his Miracleman / Marvelman story! It totally needs to be done!
Alan Moore's Miracleman is bleak and scary as hell. You'll never see Captain Marvel the way you used to
That could be a direct commentary of the history of comics in general as well as the history of the world as it now stands. "Those were simpler times" might have become a cliché but it's true nonetheless.
@@DavidTSmith-jn5bs Gaiman's Sandman is in many ways a rebuke to the "simpler times" idea. "In The Company Of Men", which details Dream's centuries-long friendship with Hob Gadling, particularly nails the myopia of thinking there is necessarily anything new under the sun in terms of human ignorance, greed or suffering.
There were several stories in and outside of Neil's Sandman work where that's made apparent. Along with the "Sandman meets Sandman" one-shot (I can't remember the title, sorry), there's "Season of Mists" where Odin tempts Morpheus with an image from "The Last Days of the JSA." I thought that was just an alternate spirit of Wesley Dodds fighting with DC's Asgardians but in this story we're lead to believe that this is the "thought-essence" of Morpheus that gave him nightmares that inspired him to "take his place" as a crime fighter. In Neil and Alan's hands, the "simple days" weren't portrayed as being that simple.
@@DavidTSmith-jn5bs The one-shot you're thinking of is Sandman Midnight Theater, still one of my favorite Dream of The Endless AND Wesley Dodd stories. Matt Wagner doesn't get nearly enough credit for making the latter relevant in Sandman Mystery Theater.
See: everything else Alan Moore has written. The man's a genius, but he doesn't have a high opinion of humanity.
I knew of Miracleman/Marvelman when I was younger, but mostly for the copyright issues. so I have zero nostalgia for the character or the stories. When I finally read the Alan Moore run as an adult, I was instantly convinced it was one of the greatest superhero stories ever told.
20 years later:
A L A N M O O R E
After a baziollion blend unimaginatve Marvel Movies I feel sad and empty. There is something I can't remember. I can't remember the words that tranformed me into a hero. I wish there would be a work of art, that would bring back the glory of Miracleman/Marvel Man. Something that is as intellectual powerfull, as emotional challenging as anything that I'm seeing on the stage or reading in books in books. ...
Alan Moore is a literary genius
Excellent video, thumbs up! Still own all my Miracleman issues, except for that always super expensive and rip off, issue #15 which is now a hard to find collector's item!
there's plenty on eBay and tons of reprinted new ones
I hope they've significantly dropped in price over the years then!
Grant Morrison wrote a Kid Marvelman story for Warrior magazine, which was all set to go until Alan Moore had it spiked. Thus began the Morrison v Moore antagonism which persists until the present day ... as told by Morrison in the biography-documentary, Talking With Gods.
You are aware that story was published in the Marvel run? Illustrated by Quesada, as the annual? Has a second story in it by Mike Allred.
I did not know that. Cool! I will try and seek it out for my collection. Thanks for the tip!
I stumbled across this in warrior when I was a kid, drawn by Alan Davis at the time
Thanks for helping shut down memory hole/archive site over money Neil.
Great job...
I sincerely hope Niel Gaiman finishes his story. Holy Crap I so want a Ragnorok to occur. Also I wanna find out more about Young Nasty Man.
gaiman's continuation of MM doesnt get enough credit. he actually showed what happened after the revolution, very rare in comics for things to actually change!
It was such great retconned series. I loved Moores MiracleMan .
Once made a post on how to build better Yu-Gi-Oh decks. "Don't just look at good decks, look at bad decks as well." Why because you ran learn why a deck is bad and how to fix it. Currently working on a video game. And i've been analyzing every bad game in the genre i can afford. For me studying bad examples is the single greatest piece of advice no matter the field.
We're still waiting Neil!
What I wouldn't do to tear away the silly, staccato BGM of this video and replace it with just silence and Neil's lovely voice... yeesh.
I remember reading these when they were being rereleased a few years ago in plastic bags in the comic book store
In early 1983 I started picking up WARRIOR magazine when they began to appear at my local used book exchange, I would go there daily to buy comics ...sometimes as cheap as 5 cents! (They were always half cover price, regardless of age! ) I was almost 12 years old when I became an Alan Moore fan. I'll be turning 48 this year, perhaps I'll break down and start finishing my 21 different stories I've been working on for years... now if only I had a team of artists..lol, I could start my own comic company.
It can be difficult finding the time for creative projects but the only other option is to go mad.
I love MiracleMan, i preffer the Alan Moore's Miracleman but i hope that Gaiman finish his run soon
Moore's run is brilliant but it reads like a less developed version of his later work. Going into Gaiman's first arc I expected it to be similar and was amazed and pleased to find that it is much closer to his more experienced work than I had anticipated.
God, talk about a blast from the past. I remember reading Alan Moore's Miricle Man (along with V for Vendetta and several other brilliant stories) in Warrior comic back in the 80's
Axel and Pressbutton...
@@dreddiknight Another blast from the past 😮 The plant hating, cigar chomping, cyborg assain 😋
@@chrisrowley8052 yep!
I wish they would reprint the hard covers of the Moore/Gaiman run
I'm pretty sure that fGaiman's Golden Age was reprinted a couple of years ago.
Marvel made the complete Moore/Gaiman run available in hard cover (up to issue 22). Now, if your wanting the old Eclipse hard covers, that might be a little costly and hard to find.
Moore's influence is both the glory and the bane of modern comics. Now comics are nothing but deconstruction.
get into comics for Moore, stay for Morrison.
No modern mainstream comics are basically pamphelets for the movies
@@JokerL1000 And the deconstruction came first...so who killed the comic world?
@@johnathonhaney8291
The mcu did. I can elaborate
Comics are mostly deconstruction in the "flight and tights" books, other genres like crime noir and horror still have fresh material.
I’d like to see a film adaptation of miracleman in Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman take on the story.
A trilogy at least.
I still think the excessively destructive battle with Zod at the end of Man of Steel was a reference.
The movie Chronicle, Brightburn, Man of Steel and the Incredibles borrows Miracleman elements. It would be a huge miracle if and when a Miracleman movie would be made under the Disney banner.
I want the story behind the pink plush in the background. I only noticed it because my nephew has something very similar.
I praise him and hate him all at once. Hear me out, Alan more showed me as a kid in the 80s that comics could be dark, 30 plus years later were still living in a deconstructed hero era of anger and hate and just depressed heroes and I'm bored of it, it's watchmen for the last 20 years. Can we move on?
I really don't want to quote THAT movie, but... some things, you can't unring the bell. Watchmen was a distinct turning point, for better or worse.
It'll always be Marvelman to me.
Hell of an anime/manga reference behind Neil.
Brilliant synopsis. Better than any of these youtubers who wiki stories about comics and claim to be knowledgeable about the material. I read those stories then and they were impactful like Gaiman said because there was nothing around like it at the time.
I thought the wait between issues 15 & 16 was long. This wait, is even longer than the waits between volumes of Mage!
How long before he ends up in the MCU? They could start where Moore did, with him remembering his word.
That would be cool but if they ever did, they'd bring in their own property, Sentry.
Nah, you can't make Miracleman in a PG13-setting, it just wouldn't work in any way. We as readers are supposed to both admire but also fear Miracleman, that won't work if Miracleman doesn't punch through regular humans as if they were made of paper. And the London massacre NEEDS that level of devastation because Miracleman is not about seeing a hero triumph, it's about the horrors of superheroes existing in the real world, a world where a psychopath god kills babies for fun and the hero is so desperate while fighting him that he doesn't care that the car he throws at the evil god is filled with people. And after winning said fight he and his superhero pals enforce a totalitarian socialist utopia since hiding their existence from humans isn't feasible anymore.
Disney/Marvel would never allow such a thing in the MCU so we better hope that they don't even try to bring Miracleman to the MCU because that would ruin it.
Now, if they let a director with a vision make an R-rated series with GoT-style levels of money I'd be down but that is probably never going to happen, especially since Miracleman seems to mostly be known by the fringe of comic-book fandom
Neil Gaiman and Alan Moore
Gaiman explains why: "it's bloody Alan Moore, what did you expect"
This was great, right up to the part where Marvel bought the rights to the character. Unfortunately the current state of Marvel is more concerned with pushing an agenda as opposed to just telling a good story.
I saw Moore speak at a San Diego Con in the '80s when someone asked him about what character he'd like to do something with. One answer was, if he ever worked for Marvel, the Hulk, as sort of this living embodiment of the nuclear age (as a lifetime Hulk fan that made my pants swell, lol, but it never happened). The other answer was, wait for it…CONGORILLA, which, as you can imagine, elicited its share of giggles from the audience. Until Moore went, “Wait, think about it: What if you could have superpowers and live forever, but the tradeoff was you had to live as a GORILLA? What would YOU do?” The audience stopped giggling. As Gaiman says, “What Alan Moore did that was so brilliant…was just take it seriously.” Amen to that.
Watchmen was more ground breaking as storytelling but Marvelman was the first to deconstruct the superhero genre.
Exactly! That's exactly right!
This is great news. This character and story has long been my favourite ever comic book. I hope to god Marvel finally lets Neil and Mark finnish their run. I look forward to reading the conclusion some day.
It's finally being finished now, issue 6 out soon.
I can wait for greatness. Just show me the direction of the light at the end of the tunnel.
Thank you for posting this video.
Alan Moore and the gang in 2000ad. The 80’s golden age. I think still a true body of art.
Imagine if he gets to finish the story or at least oversee it, assuming he wants to of course (he might not want to finish it himself for one reason or another, it's been 30 years since it left off after all maybe he wants to hand it off to another person, like how Alan Moore moved on and left it to him so now he might get to do that for someone else) and assuming marvel even cares about it since they're owned by Disney now.
so since rofits are 100% the goal now, rather than art (at all really, all companies seek profit above all else because that's the goal of capitalism but the bigger they get even though they could use that power for good they don't, since art for arts sake isn't profitable it doesn't get to happen almost ever at big companies) we may never even get to see it finish at all, unless somehow Neil wats it done and uses his coat to get a big Twitter mob stirred up or something so marvel/Disney see dollar signs from the demand
I believe this video, because it make more sense that it also inspired me to create my story in a form of fanfiction like i can retell the story of Kung Fu Panda which is set ing the modern-day China where the Valley of Peace was in-virtually metropolis-like-small town of China where the criminal that behave like a real-life criminal or Bad Cat which takes place in dystopian future to tells Shero's final hours. I can say to Neil Gaiman or Marvelman/Miracleman had a lot of reputation and interpretation for available to me as a storytellers.
There was a character in the SHAZAM movie who blatantly referenced Marvelman - his last name was Moran
Damn, you're right.
Sorry, it wasn’t. They were asked about it and it’s a coincidence, other posters have already covered this.
Moore, my favorite writer
Miracle Man is amazing. I hope Neil gets to finish this thing off with Marvel publishing.
But why does nobody talk about Tom Strong?
_Warren Ellis' commentary on Alan Moore's Miracleman, from his legendary Planetary series:_
I should have been noble! Clean! Single! I didn't want to wake up in Soho with twelve valiumed-up Thai rentboys and terrible stains on my tights! You didn't have to take the damn photographs!
I didn't want to find out that instead of getting my powers from a transcendant scientist-mentor, I was grown from the DNA of Aryan super-athletes and Hitler's personal sex midgets! I didn't even know Hitler had personal sex midgets!
I liked my life! There was nothing wrong with me! I wasn't hip, I wasn't trendy, I wasn't edgy, and you know what? THAT WAS OKAY!
I didn't need the split personalities, the nervous breakdown, the shift in sexual orientation, my life being a lie -- if you didn't want me you should have just bloody ignored me!
Good ol' Warren.
In many ways, Warren Ellis is who Alan Moore should have been. While Ellis is certainly biting, cynical and without pretense, he also knows how to maintain the quality of his writing and keeps getting work (can't recommend Netflix Castlevania for him nearly enough). Moore...it's the Frank Miller situation all over again. Neonomicon is when I decided that I was done. The hatefulness of that story was just too much.
@@johnathonhaney8291 Did you read his Providence? It's miles better than Neonomicon and his most researched work since From Hell.
I don’t wanna lose Neil.
I hope marvel finish the story soon
I'm optimistic yet a bit troubled by Watchmen. Discussion about Episode 2 here: ua-cam.com/video/2xvVRB7RQjQ/v-deo.html
I want Neil Gaiman to write for Shazam.
I WANT TO WRITE HIM. I'VE BEEN WAITING SINCE 1947. I LIKED MARVELMAN, TOO. MICK ANGLO WAS A NICE BLOKE.
I highly doubt the ownership rights are settled on Miracleman …. And I think Marvel’s lawyers believe the same thing . I recommend reading the book Poisoned Chalice , it goes into great detail on the ownership rights to Marvelman/Miracleman and it’s highly unlikely that Mick Angelo retained the rights to Marvelman …. And Marvel knows that … I’m sure someone at some point will come forward with a legitimate claim that would stand up in court and challenge Marvels rights.