Interesting video:) Good info on his pick & roll steals, never noticed it until you mentioned it. But to me, think we should experiment with Reed as taking some of Stew's minutes - got to love Stew's physicality and energy, but he gets a little lost on defense, and on offense he doesn't have the skills of Duren or Reed, and could hurt the offensive flow. And like you said, Reed could take Duren's minutes but wonder if this is more to do with what you're talking about, the fact that Duren's playing against players like KD, Jimmy Butler, Jokic, Tyler Hero... Maybe he's not great on the defensive end, but Reed may not have the athleticism to keep up at that level. Hmm.
While Ausar was out Stew should have been the backup PF with Ron Holland getting another year in the G. But now its to late for that plan. Reed is stuck as the third string center. If any other team wanted Reed they would have made an offer after the Pistons waived him. Sometimes the NBA isn't fair. Teams are so in love with the potential if guys like Duren and Bagley that they get years of developmental minutes while solid players like Reed struggle to stay in the league.
I'm trying to say this in a way that doesn't make it seem like I'm falling in love with flashes of BBall Paul. I think we really just need an overhaul of our bigs, both 4s AND 5s. And I think BBall Paul is one that you could reasonably place as your backup 5 for the immediate future. I mean, he was already the backup 5 on a playoff team in the 76ers last year, and he did an admirable job filling in as a starter for awhile, considering he was filling in for the guy their whole offense was designed around. And in terms of per 75/100 possessions, he's playing even better this year. He makes sense as a 5 that can play light on his feet and help cause turnovers with our wings, but still plays fairly strong in the paint. He runs the floor well and gets back on defense quickly, and is just a hustle guy. Stew has been really good defensively this year in more extended minutes, but as good as he has been, I do think part of that is that he just looks so much better than Duren, which Paul also does. I think it's pretty obvious right now that all those years of Troy Weaver pouring every resource imaginable into centers did not yield the results we needed. Stew is good, but a great backup center is not what we were chasing with all that investment. I think selling off Stew while he has value to contending teams, and Duren to a team that can match his timeline, will help us recoup some of our losses. Honestly I think if you just make it your goal to bring in an actual starting center, whether it be like a taller defensive guy, or an actual offensive connector, you can then make due with like a re-signed BBall Paul and Tolu Smith from the Motor City Cruise as your second and third stringers. I don't think teams usually start really trying to maximize their bench with like high level rotational bigs until they're real contenders. That's why, to me, Stew (as much as I love him) makes more sense being traded to a contender. We know he's a high level rotational big, but is capped from being a true starter because of his size and whatnot. In fact, we literally have two high performing rotational bigs right now, but no starter. It's like having an expensive, super nice garage, but we've only got a bicycle sitting in there. 😂
@@scottwickett1273 No clue which specific part you think is slanderous to Stew. So I'll answer a couple possibilities. 1) In roughly half the minutes, Paul Reed is giving almost the same offensive production as Stew, and is averaging more stocks. Now, stocks aren't everything, but Paul has quick hands and just a knack for breaking up plays. 2) A huge point in Stew's favor is the culture presence he provides. He's tough, he reminds people not to go after our guys because people don't want him going crazy on them, and he plays with insane energy. 3) No matter how you look at these two, however, they're both backup bigs, and if you had a real starting center, only one of them would ideally be getting minutes, barring injury. And while having both of them is a nice luxury, it's not gonna last forever. Just looking at what the defense looks like when these guys play, there's not a massive difference between the two. The big difference is in their salaries, however. And Stew can actually be moved and get you some assets. With all that said, I think Stew and Paul are awesome, and I have been singing Stew's praises all year, while also acknowledging he might need to be shipped out for assets. That idea hurt a LOT worse before Paul started getting some run with these guys and proved that he is also a better Center than Duren lol. The reason we need to revamp the frontcourt, particularly the 4s and 5s, is because we are deathly undersized. Jalen Duren is 6'10 on a good day, weighs like 260lbs, and is the biggest guy on our team. The average height of an NBA center this season is a little over 6'11. Our BIGGEST guy is undersized. And normally teams that are undersized make up for it with shooting, but our best wing defenders aren't good shooters right now, and Tobias/Tech aren't hitting their 3s. Thus we have undersized 4s and 5s that are also not dangerous shooters right now. At least Ausar and Ron are good sizes for wings, and play great defense and are hyper athletic. Which leaves the 4s and 5s.
@@scottwickett1273 Oh, yeah I can see why you'd say that. I'm definitely in the camp of wanting to keep good players when possible. However, I feel like everything has been pointing to Stew getting traded for like a year now. He's got a contract that can help us with salary matching, he was brought in by the previous regime with the intention of making him like a 4, which didn't really fly, and he's the guy we've heard the most interest for on the trade market.
Stewart has been better than Reed all season. He was also better last year. Stewart was good enough as a PF last year but Trajan wants Holland in the rotation at the expense of winning. I've wanted to trade Duren since last January. Sadly the Pistons probably waited to long.
@pheralanpathfinder4897 That is just a totally false statement. When Reed was playing, we went on a winning streak.... In the West! When Stewart is at the helm, we win 14 games for the whole season. Stew has to go
@@cerebralcortechreviews1426 by that logic we should trade Cade for an expiring contract because we only won 14 games last season. Reed isn't going to ever win MVP. Neither is Stew. Why didn't any team offer the Sixers a 2nd round pick for Paul last summer? Why didn't any team bid on his services after we waived him? Reed is a quality player, but nothing special. He is in a difficult situation. It would have been better to send Holland to the G and keep Stew at PF. But doing so now would create many problems. Reed will play sporadically until an injury or trade changes things. He isn't good enough to outplay Stew and the Pistons are to invested in Duren and Holland.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Not the same thing. Cade, Ivey, Thompson, were producing. Our glaring issue was in the paint. Stewart was getting busted every game by the opponents big men. We need more skill and size in the paint
@cerebralcortechreviews1426 Are you certain Stew was defending centers last season? Are you sure advanced analytics has his defense rated poorly last season? While Stewart has never been a dynamic scorer his defense has always been good.
I love your show till you rag on Duren .. double figures when he plays and he’s closing out on 3 shooting bigs as of late. I don’t know how you bball hosts can keep ragging and mumbling stats over and over . Trade Duren are you nuts 🥜?
Appreciate the support and can definitely appreciate any disagreements on how any particular player has played, but just to be clear on one thing, I never have encouraged or called for a Duren trade. I’m totally against that. We don’t have the depth to do it, the return wouldn’t be good enough, and most importantly he’s only 21 and still think he has stupidly high potential. Really want to see his free throw percentage back to were it was last year, I think he’s fouling way too much, and turning the ball over too much right now but all of that is fixable. He has the tools to be great and I’m not giving up on him personally.
Beware of stats. 500 of 700 minutes for Duren have been along side THJ. THJ, being our worst defender, pulls down the defensive stats for Duren. Duren has a PER of 17. Reed 20. Stewart 14. Stewart - Hardaway has 214 minutes. Hardaway Duren is at 495 minutes. Duren - Holland - Hardaway has 30 minutes. Duren -Thompson - Hardaway has zero minutes. Stewart - Holland - Hardaway has 43 minutes. Stewart - Thompson - Hardaway has 6 minutes. In sum, mostly, Duren plays along side THJ - about 500 minutes, and he only had 30 (about 7%) of those minutes where one of Holland or Thompson was helping out on defense. Stewart, on the other hand, plays with THJ far less, and 25% of that time even, he had either Thompson or Holland with him. Also, yes, coach has played Stewart with Duren some. None with Duren - Reed. The starting unit, with Hardaway, could hardly be worse than it is. Hardaway is very negative in net rating, when paired with any starter in a 2 man unit, with the worst pairing being Duren - THJ, at minus 12, and this with 495 minutes on the floor together. The Duren - Stewart pairing only has 7 minutes, positive 8 net rating. (strong D). Of course, this is little data. But, we have tons of data showing Hardaway fits with nobody. We could absolutely go with Cade, Ivey, Harris, Reed, Duren. Why fear the unknown? If it does not work, so what. In all, great job on your presentation.
Very good insights. I haven’t dived into the lineup data in a while and am surprised such a high percentage of Duren’s minutes have came with THJ on the floor. I mean, I knew it would obviously be a lot considering they start together, but didn’t expect it to be that high.
@@JacobPistons I've been looking at unit data very heavily the past couple of weeks, since at this point there is lots of data, at least on certain things. The starkest finding is just how bad any two man unit is between THJ and anybody in the starting unit. Takes some math, but you can filter out THJ from other two man pairings. (eliminate the time when THJ is also out there, with that 2 man unit.) You find in doing this, Harris is not the problem, nor is Duren. Both have positive ratings when paired up with any other starter- after filtering out the minutes with THJ also out there. I'm not a Stewart fan at all - but even switching out THJ for Stewart makes sense - anything to get THJ out of the starting unit. But, I'd start Cade, Ivey, Harris, Reed, Duren, if we were to go with a 2 big starting unit. Lots of people, including me, would love to see Holland or Thompson start - but we have lots of time for that. If we can get a team improvement, with Harris still involved, it could boost the value of Harris in a trade.
He's certainly earned it. Duren is gonna have to share some of those minutes.
A Cade, Ivey, Beasley, Ausar, Reed lineup would be insane but complimentary to each other
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Yes Reed should have more minutes. Always plays well given the chance
Answer: yes
As a JD truther…
I think it’s unfortunately a BBIQ issue
Interesting video:) Good info on his pick & roll steals, never noticed it until you mentioned it. But to me, think we should experiment with Reed as taking some of Stew's minutes - got to love Stew's physicality and energy, but he gets a little lost on defense, and on offense he doesn't have the skills of Duren or Reed, and could hurt the offensive flow. And like you said, Reed could take Duren's minutes but wonder if this is more to do with what you're talking about, the fact that Duren's playing against players like KD, Jimmy Butler, Jokic, Tyler Hero... Maybe he's not great on the defensive end, but Reed may not have the athleticism to keep up at that level. Hmm.
Team should minimize Tobias', THJ's and Fontechio's minutes and give em to Ausar, Ron Holland and Bball Paul
Minimize Duren's minutes too
@Beastmode298 yep him too
Totally, let this team rise with the best players on the court.
We need to keep either fontecchio or THJ because Ron and Ausar don’t have the best 3 ball and we still need somebody to stretch the floor
Play the three about 16 minutes each and let them be aggressive. No worries about picking up fouls.
this. and maybe even take some minutes away from tobias
The Magic were doing something similar last season with Carter/Goga/Wagner and it was working well for them. I’d be down to try it.
While Ausar was out Stew should have been the backup PF with Ron Holland getting another year in the G. But now its to late for that plan.
Reed is stuck as the third string center. If any other team wanted Reed they would have made an offer after the Pistons waived him.
Sometimes the NBA isn't fair. Teams are so in love with the potential if guys like Duren and Bagley that they get years of developmental minutes while solid players like Reed struggle to stay in the league.
I'm trying to say this in a way that doesn't make it seem like I'm falling in love with flashes of BBall Paul. I think we really just need an overhaul of our bigs, both 4s AND 5s. And I think BBall Paul is one that you could reasonably place as your backup 5 for the immediate future. I mean, he was already the backup 5 on a playoff team in the 76ers last year, and he did an admirable job filling in as a starter for awhile, considering he was filling in for the guy their whole offense was designed around. And in terms of per 75/100 possessions, he's playing even better this year.
He makes sense as a 5 that can play light on his feet and help cause turnovers with our wings, but still plays fairly strong in the paint. He runs the floor well and gets back on defense quickly, and is just a hustle guy. Stew has been really good defensively this year in more extended minutes, but as good as he has been, I do think part of that is that he just looks so much better than Duren, which Paul also does. I think it's pretty obvious right now that all those years of Troy Weaver pouring every resource imaginable into centers did not yield the results we needed. Stew is good, but a great backup center is not what we were chasing with all that investment. I think selling off Stew while he has value to contending teams, and Duren to a team that can match his timeline, will help us recoup some of our losses. Honestly I think if you just make it your goal to bring in an actual starting center, whether it be like a taller defensive guy, or an actual offensive connector, you can then make due with like a re-signed BBall Paul and Tolu Smith from the Motor City Cruise as your second and third stringers. I don't think teams usually start really trying to maximize their bench with like high level rotational bigs until they're real contenders. That's why, to me, Stew (as much as I love him) makes more sense being traded to a contender. We know he's a high level rotational big, but is capped from being a true starter because of his size and whatnot.
In fact, we literally have two high performing rotational bigs right now, but no starter. It's like having an expensive, super nice garage, but we've only got a bicycle sitting in there. 😂
This is slanderous to Stew.
@@scottwickett1273 No clue which specific part you think is slanderous to Stew. So I'll answer a couple possibilities.
1) In roughly half the minutes, Paul Reed is giving almost the same offensive production as Stew, and is averaging more stocks. Now, stocks aren't everything, but Paul has quick hands and just a knack for breaking up plays.
2) A huge point in Stew's favor is the culture presence he provides. He's tough, he reminds people not to go after our guys because people don't want him going crazy on them, and he plays with insane energy.
3) No matter how you look at these two, however, they're both backup bigs, and if you had a real starting center, only one of them would ideally be getting minutes, barring injury. And while having both of them is a nice luxury, it's not gonna last forever. Just looking at what the defense looks like when these guys play, there's not a massive difference between the two. The big difference is in their salaries, however. And Stew can actually be moved and get you some assets.
With all that said, I think Stew and Paul are awesome, and I have been singing Stew's praises all year, while also acknowledging he might need to be shipped out for assets. That idea hurt a LOT worse before Paul started getting some run with these guys and proved that he is also a better Center than Duren lol. The reason we need to revamp the frontcourt, particularly the 4s and 5s, is because we are deathly undersized. Jalen Duren is 6'10 on a good day, weighs like 260lbs, and is the biggest guy on our team. The average height of an NBA center this season is a little over 6'11. Our BIGGEST guy is undersized. And normally teams that are undersized make up for it with shooting, but our best wing defenders aren't good shooters right now, and Tobias/Tech aren't hitting their 3s. Thus we have undersized 4s and 5s that are also not dangerous shooters right now. At least Ausar and Ron are good sizes for wings, and play great defense and are hyper athletic. Which leaves the 4s and 5s.
@@HeyJoeBaby Suggesting that Stew should be traded when he is Cade's best teammate other than arguably Beasley, that's the part I consider slanderous.
@@scottwickett1273 Oh, yeah I can see why you'd say that. I'm definitely in the camp of wanting to keep good players when possible. However, I feel like everything has been pointing to Stew getting traded for like a year now. He's got a contract that can help us with salary matching, he was brought in by the previous regime with the intention of making him like a 4, which didn't really fly, and he's the guy we've heard the most interest for on the trade market.
@@HeyJoeBaby That's fair, but I would want a lot, and probably too much to realistically get a deal done.
If he starts playing more minutes than he has to score more although he has been playing well lately I don't see him getting g more than 14min a game
He would get all of Duren's minutes if they were trying to maximize wins.
He got screwed the last game. He should have been playing over Stewart. Reed is an overall better player. He also makes the offense flow better!
Stewart has been better than Reed all season. He was also better last year.
Stewart was good enough as a PF last year but Trajan wants Holland in the rotation at the expense of winning.
I've wanted to trade Duren since last January. Sadly the Pistons probably waited to long.
@pheralanpathfinder4897 That is just a totally false statement. When Reed was playing, we went on a winning streak.... In the West! When Stewart is at the helm, we win 14 games for the whole season. Stew has to go
@@cerebralcortechreviews1426 by that logic we should trade Cade for an expiring contract because we only won 14 games last season.
Reed isn't going to ever win MVP. Neither is Stew.
Why didn't any team offer the Sixers a 2nd round pick for Paul last summer?
Why didn't any team bid on his services after we waived him?
Reed is a quality player, but nothing special. He is in a difficult situation. It would have been better to send Holland to the G and keep Stew at PF. But doing so now would create many problems.
Reed will play sporadically until an injury or trade changes things. He isn't good enough to outplay Stew and the Pistons are to invested in Duren and Holland.
@@pheralanpathfinder4897 Not the same thing. Cade, Ivey, Thompson, were producing. Our glaring issue was in the paint. Stewart was getting busted every game by the opponents big men. We need more skill and size in the paint
@cerebralcortechreviews1426 Are you certain Stew was defending centers last season?
Are you sure advanced analytics has his defense rated poorly last season?
While Stewart has never been a dynamic scorer his defense has always been good.
I love your show till you rag on Duren .. double figures when he plays and he’s closing out on 3 shooting bigs as of late. I don’t know how you bball hosts can keep ragging and mumbling stats over and over . Trade Duren are you nuts 🥜?
Appreciate the support and can definitely appreciate any disagreements on how any particular player has played, but just to be clear on one thing, I never have encouraged or called for a Duren trade. I’m totally against that. We don’t have the depth to do it, the return wouldn’t be good enough, and most importantly he’s only 21 and still think he has stupidly high potential.
Really want to see his free throw percentage back to were it was last year, I think he’s fouling way too much, and turning the ball over too much right now but all of that is fixable. He has the tools to be great and I’m not giving up on him personally.
Duren stinks: I don't care if they trade him, I just want them to not make The Drummond Mistake again by paying him!
Beware of stats. 500 of 700 minutes for Duren have been along side THJ. THJ, being our worst defender, pulls down the defensive stats for Duren.
Duren has a PER of 17. Reed 20. Stewart 14.
Stewart - Hardaway has 214 minutes. Hardaway Duren is at 495 minutes.
Duren - Holland - Hardaway has 30 minutes. Duren -Thompson - Hardaway has zero minutes.
Stewart - Holland - Hardaway has 43 minutes. Stewart - Thompson - Hardaway has 6 minutes.
In sum, mostly, Duren plays along side THJ - about 500 minutes, and he only had 30 (about 7%) of those minutes where one of Holland or Thompson was helping out on defense.
Stewart, on the other hand, plays with THJ far less, and 25% of that time even, he had either Thompson or Holland with him.
Also, yes, coach has played Stewart with Duren some. None with Duren - Reed.
The starting unit, with Hardaway, could hardly be worse than it is. Hardaway is very negative in net rating, when paired with any starter in a 2 man unit, with the worst pairing being Duren - THJ, at minus 12, and this with 495 minutes on the floor together.
The Duren - Stewart pairing only has 7 minutes, positive 8 net rating. (strong D). Of course, this is little data. But, we have tons of data showing Hardaway fits with nobody.
We could absolutely go with Cade, Ivey, Harris, Reed, Duren. Why fear the unknown? If it does not work, so what.
In all, great job on your presentation.
Very good insights. I haven’t dived into the lineup data in a while and am surprised such a high percentage of Duren’s minutes have came with THJ on the floor. I mean, I knew it would obviously be a lot considering they start together, but didn’t expect it to be that high.
@@JacobPistons I've been looking at unit data very heavily the past couple of weeks, since at this point there is lots of data, at least on certain things.
The starkest finding is just how bad any two man unit is between THJ and anybody in the starting unit.
Takes some math, but you can filter out THJ from other two man pairings. (eliminate the time when THJ is also out there, with that 2 man unit.) You find in doing this, Harris is not the problem, nor is Duren. Both have positive ratings when paired up with any other starter- after filtering out the minutes with THJ also out there.
I'm not a Stewart fan at all - but even switching out THJ for Stewart makes sense - anything to get THJ out of the starting unit.
But, I'd start Cade, Ivey, Harris, Reed, Duren, if we were to go with a 2 big starting unit.
Lots of people, including me, would love to see Holland or Thompson start - but we have lots of time for that. If we can get a team improvement, with Harris still involved, it could boost the value of Harris in a trade.
Fonteccio and Ausar for Kuzma. Play Paul more. 'Make play-offs.
ausar? you serious?
Ausar is literally top 3 core