Great to see today Bristol Eastgate supercharger have dropped in price since the new Ionity went in the same location! All 8 superchargers were in use while I was there and the 10 or more Ionity completely empty 😂
I would argue that DC chargers are in fact "chargers" and that AC chargers are just power supplies as the actual AC to DC charger is in the car. Good to see the ever inreasing rate of public chargers being installed.
The DC stalls with the cable you use to plug into your EV, are not the actual chargers 99% of the time. The chargers are the large cabinets in the background someplace on the location. So dispensers is a better term for them. But the average person would not know that, and uses the term chargers instead.
The old petrol station is owned by EG Group, so they deploy Tesla v4 chargers under the EV on the Move brand. So it might be one of their sites rather than a Tesla one. But they do appear on the Tesla app.
In the meantime Instavolt is due to open their 44 bay location at Three Maids Hill, Winchester in March 25 so I imagine that will be the largest UK location
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I wonder if Tesla would consider using the replaced V1, V2 & V3 superchargers as destination chargers as I assume there isn't much use for them other than for scrap
Unlikely the Tesla Destination network is AC 7kW these days, otherwise the installs will be subject to the new CPO regulations which the V2/V3 cabinets and charge point pedestals don't meet (don't think we had V1's in the UK). Also, the V4 cabinet upgrades will likely be to existing V4 sites first (quickest deployment/lowest impact), and V2/V3 second.
@GruffSillyGoat For what it's worth... In the US, Tesla seems to never replace V2's. They simply add some V3's at the same site or put in a new site nearby. The old V2's keep running, even the really old 120kW ones (Kingman, Grand Junction, etc.) Here, V2's are only ever open to Tesla's, due to incompatibility with CCS, as far as I know. On the other hand, Tesla will rip out relatively-new V3 sites and replace everything with V4's. By relatively-new, I mean sites less than 2 years old. In Phoenix, they did this with no advance warning - one day the site was blocked off and the stalls were gone. Then they took more than 3 months retrofitting. It's a mystery. Also, they seem to have only just stopped installing V3's. All through 2024 some new sites were V3, others V4. But I've not yet seen a V2 site get truly upgraded, only ... bypassed. Maybe the idea is that the old ones are just making profit now, and we need all the chargers we can get, even if they are obsolete.
There’s a plan for a Gridserve Electric Forecourt with some and Holystone but you’re right. I went up to Newcastle a month ago and it’s badly in need of more.
Hi Dave, Ev on the move appears to be installing some Superchargers at the service station on the end of the M65 near Boundary Mill. I’m not sure how many though or when they will be available for use.
Let's hope they lay the bays out more sensibly than the current arrangement where there are two separate approaches to the charger bays causing potential arguments as to who's next and where the queues form on one of the car park exit routes.
Hopully if the suppy of bays outstrips its demand, the price may fall a bit at the traford centre. Though i dont see why shopping parks dont have really cheap 11kw chargers. As id choose ine park over the other if i could plug in for a few hours for a few quid. As the issue eith the tesla bays are, which is usally a pro, is they charge to quick, so youllend up with fines if you just want to shop.
It would be good to see installations like this elsewhere in the country. Only ever been to Manchester once, about 25 years ago, and cannot see me returning in the next 25 years 🤣
An excellent development as it does need more chargers, but is there any update on White City in Manchester where the chargers have been present for over a year? There are also V4 chargers awaiting activation at Tesla Manchester but apparently they’re working on electricity supply issues because the Etihad is next door 🤷♂️
There is another option you haven't considered. A network that is actively growing and opening new sites at pace and using 250kW chargers. It's also an organisation that is building new service stations (petrol and EV) so has a track record. Euro Garages (EG) branded as EV On The Move. You have indeed covered these and of course they install the Tesla V4 units. They could make a killing at Trafford so I'll counter your bet on it being Tesla and say it's EVOTM. I'm sure we will find out soon enough :)
I was going to say they won't make a killing as they are just Tesla chargers, but I've just checked and the EVOTM chargers in Glasgow are actually 65p/kWh. I used them the other day and didn't even check, as I have free credits. Thankfully, those credits were applied 😀 Still, who would pay 65p when the Tesla branded ones on the same site were around half the price?
If all the chargers weren't such a rip off then we could all spread out and use them all, tesla chargers are like a honey pot and we are like bees and want to head there, I went on the electro verse app and it showed lots of chargers in the city, but the prices are stupidly high, someone in government needs to look at this, the price war isn't happening and I want to know why, why is the likes of instavolt more than double the price of tesla,companies who have drivers out there using company cars and cards are paying high prices and then there's people who get new cars who are given free supercharging for a certain amount of time if they charge on expensive superchargers, the whole thing is wrong, tesla seems to have it right, my next electric car will be a tesla
Other than Tesla it's pointless quoting other companies charge speeds because it's the same lies as quoted EV ranges. Companies quote 250kW speeds only to find they won't charge above 80kW. Diabolical.
@@ohyesitsmethis is correct. My car will do a stated 165kwh, but I know it will never do over a sustained 120kwh, so I'll always choose a 150kwh charger if there is a choice. No reason to take up a 250kw charger, when someone else could fully utilise it. When I go to a Tesla they are always rated the same, so I admit to never actually looking if there are different rated bays. On the flip side I won't entertain anything less than 100kwh unless I'm really in a jam. And I haven't been to date.
@ohyesitsme no. My brother has a Porsche Taycan that can accept upto 250kW. He's been to 250kW fast chargers and only managed 100kW at some places. He's never once achieved the stated speed.
@@Nearly-Insaneit depends on a lot of parameters. The Porsche is an 800v car so you’d need charges that can do that. The state of charge needs to be low, around 10% and there’s the possibility that if busy the chargers can’t deliver it. Put a Porsche on a Tesla charger which is 400v and it will get no where near the top rates because it needs to step up the voltage.
I agree with your analysis however don't forget Grid Serve have show rooms & lounges in Gatwick, Braintree etc
It's gone back down to 22p now at Trafford Centre.
Great to see today Bristol Eastgate supercharger have dropped in price since the new Ionity went in the same location! All 8 superchargers were in use while I was there and the 10 or more Ionity completely empty 😂
I would argue that DC chargers are in fact "chargers" and that AC chargers are just power supplies as the actual AC to DC charger is in the car.
Good to see the ever inreasing rate of public chargers being installed.
The DC stalls with the cable you use to plug into your EV, are not the actual chargers 99% of the time. The chargers are the large cabinets in the background someplace on the location. So dispensers is a better term for them. But the average person would not know that, and uses the term chargers instead.
The old petrol station is owned by EG Group, so they deploy Tesla v4 chargers under the EV on the Move brand. So it might be one of their sites rather than a Tesla one. But they do appear on the Tesla app.
EV OTM MacMerry East Lothian recently opened 49p kWh.
Tesla chargers; away from home, my charger of choice.
In the meantime Instavolt is due to open their 44 bay location at Three Maids Hill, Winchester in March 25 so I imagine that will be the largest UK location
I wonder if Tesla would consider using the replaced V1, V2 & V3 superchargers as destination chargers as I assume there isn't much use for them other than for scrap
Unlikely the Tesla Destination network is AC 7kW these days, otherwise the installs will be subject to the new CPO regulations which the V2/V3 cabinets and charge point pedestals don't meet (don't think we had V1's in the UK). Also, the V4 cabinet upgrades will likely be to existing V4 sites first (quickest deployment/lowest impact), and V2/V3 second.
@GruffSillyGoat For what it's worth... In the US, Tesla seems to never replace V2's. They simply add some V3's at the same site or put in a new site nearby. The old V2's keep running, even the really old 120kW ones (Kingman, Grand Junction, etc.) Here, V2's are only ever open to Tesla's, due to incompatibility with CCS, as far as I know. On the other hand, Tesla will rip out relatively-new V3 sites and replace everything with V4's. By relatively-new, I mean sites less than 2 years old. In Phoenix, they did this with no advance warning - one day the site was blocked off and the stalls were gone. Then they took more than 3 months retrofitting. It's a mystery. Also, they seem to have only just stopped installing V3's. All through 2024 some new sites were V3, others V4. But I've not yet seen a V2 site get truly upgraded, only ... bypassed. Maybe the idea is that the old ones are just making profit now, and we need all the chargers we can get, even if they are obsolete.
hey Dave, I know you don't live there but what can you do to get some tesla open to all in Newcastle upon Tyne ?
There’s a plan for a Gridserve Electric Forecourt with some and Holystone but you’re right. I went up to Newcastle a month ago and it’s badly in need of more.
But if you are shopping at Trafford you probably only need fast chargers while you are there for 2-3 hrs!
Hi Dave, Ev on the move appears to be installing some Superchargers at the service station on the end of the M65 near Boundary Mill.
I’m not sure how many though or when they will be available for use.
Let's hope they lay the bays out more sensibly than the current arrangement where there are two separate approaches to the charger bays causing potential arguments as to who's next and where the queues form on one of the car park exit routes.
Hopully if the suppy of bays outstrips its demand, the price may fall a bit at the traford centre.
Though i dont see why shopping parks dont have really cheap 11kw chargers. As id choose ine park over the other if i could plug in for a few hours for a few quid.
As the issue eith the tesla bays are, which is usally a pro, is they charge to quick, so youllend up with fines if you just want to shop.
Prices have gone back down at Trafford. Cheapest rates are 29p or with subscription/ tesla car 22p
It would be good to see installations like this elsewhere in the country. Only ever been to Manchester once, about 25 years ago, and cannot see me returning in the next 25 years 🤣
An excellent development as it does need more chargers, but is there any update on White City in Manchester where the chargers have been present for over a year? There are also V4 chargers awaiting activation at Tesla Manchester but apparently they’re working on electricity supply issues because the Etihad is next door 🤷♂️
There is another option you haven't considered. A network that is actively growing and opening new sites at pace and using 250kW chargers. It's also an organisation that is building new service stations (petrol and EV) so has a track record. Euro Garages (EG) branded as EV On The Move. You have indeed covered these and of course they install the Tesla V4 units.
They could make a killing at Trafford so I'll counter your bet on it being Tesla and say it's EVOTM. I'm sure we will find out soon enough :)
Ok you’re on!
I was going to say they won't make a killing as they are just Tesla chargers, but I've just checked and the EVOTM chargers in Glasgow are actually 65p/kWh. I used them the other day and didn't even check, as I have free credits. Thankfully, those credits were applied 😀
Still, who would pay 65p when the Tesla branded ones on the same site were around half the price?
The record number planned is 100 +1 Planned record is impressive. But its is planned not installed. The record is 34 so far installed. Not planned.
Sounds like a great place to avoid. I prefer smaller installations as they are quieter and usually have better service
I get the range quoted for my Kia Niro EV over two years. Just like ICE vehicles sometimes less and quite often more.
Not too bad this time Dave, only 7 minutes of a near 14 minute video dedicated to championing Tesla. 🤣
How about Gridserve? They have car showroom, lounges, plus have linked up with tesla at several locations?
Cash slot, when the internet doesn't work? When was money with the Kings head on it, allowed to be refused?
Private entities can stipulate what forms of payment they accept, and no private entity is compelled to take cash payments.
This is great news and sounds like a great idea with Starbucks and a lounge!
It's probably been said before, but.............
Can I have a P please Bob!?
If all the chargers weren't such a rip off then we could all spread out and use them all, tesla chargers are like a honey pot and we are like bees and want to head there, I went on the electro verse app and it showed lots of chargers in the city, but the prices are stupidly high, someone in government needs to look at this, the price war isn't happening and I want to know why, why is the likes of instavolt more than double the price of tesla,companies who have drivers out there using company cars and cards are paying high prices and then there's people who get new cars who are given free supercharging for a certain amount of time if they charge on expensive superchargers, the whole thing is wrong, tesla seems to have it right, my next electric car will be a tesla
Other than Tesla it's pointless quoting other companies charge speeds because it's the same lies as quoted EV ranges.
Companies quote 250kW speeds only to find they won't charge above 80kW.
Diabolical.
Doesn't that depend on at what max speed the vehicle is designed to accept
@@ohyesitsmethis is correct. My car will do a stated 165kwh, but I know it will never do over a sustained 120kwh, so I'll always choose a 150kwh charger if there is a choice. No reason to take up a 250kw charger, when someone else could fully utilise it.
When I go to a Tesla they are always rated the same, so I admit to never actually looking if there are different rated bays.
On the flip side I won't entertain anything less than 100kwh unless I'm really in a jam. And I haven't been to date.
@ohyesitsme no. My brother has a Porsche Taycan that can accept upto 250kW. He's been to 250kW fast chargers and only managed 100kW at some places. He's never once achieved the stated speed.
@@Nearly-Insaneit depends on a lot of parameters. The Porsche is an 800v car so you’d need charges that can do that. The state of charge needs to be low, around 10% and there’s the possibility that if busy the chargers can’t deliver it. Put a Porsche on a Tesla charger which is 400v and it will get no where near the top rates because it needs to step up the voltage.
It's almost always the vehicle and not the charger.