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It's like the Disney star wars whip-saber, which is a rip-off of the Family Guy Star Wars parody where Herbert Obi-Wan's lightsaber went limp until he saw a young boy.
@@rolandswift4311 which is itself a rip off from "traumschiff surprise periode 1" a german made spoof movie that parodies star wars, star treck and space sci-fi in general, in which the lead antagonist uses a laser whip (the film also features the swizz army laser, which does have a corkscrew) and before that there was the live action He-Man movie which features a scene where He-Man is being tortured with a laser whip.
it's not really an actual "lightsaber whip" it's a traditional lightsaber minus the blade with a ton of wires wrapped together in the emitter and the crystal in the hilt creates a energy field around areas of the wires. look up lumiya's lightwhip to see illustrations
Fun fact about light whips pre-Disney. They actually had mass, because basically the only part that actually activated was at the very end. Slightly more cat of nine tails style.
Nobody cares. They were still fucking stupid. 1) "Light" weapons are made of photons, not plasma. They didn't know it at the time...but it turns out you CAN potentially make self-terminating laser beams that behave like solid objects. We haven't mastered it yet, but we have shown it can be done in a lab. Photons can be entangled to one another and then bound up together in a format that behaves as if it were a massless solid object. 2) A plasma whip would still be functionally massless, for all your capacity to sense its mass in the first place. 3) Whips are shitty weapons in any practical sense. They're fine for a tiny handful of violent but non-combat uses, but in an actual fight of any sort...they're wildly inferior.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979one, you cared enough to leave a multi paragraph comment. Two, if you want to bring real world logic into this a regular lightsaber would cause you to explode if they touched you from the sheer amount of energy they produce. Hell blaster bolts actually impart more energy on a target than freaking boltors from 40k but you don't see people being blown apart in star wars. Three, you don't have precognition, super natural extrasensory perception, the ability manipulate matter through telekinesis, or casually move and react at ftl speeds. Which what every person who uses lightwhips can do. Also it's not hard to overcome a lightwhip through armor. They struggle to cut through durasteel, the same shit used for standard vehicle armor and super battledroids.
That is not true, like at all. They are covered in an energy jacket that surrounds the physical whip. Or a whip made of energy that has mass. There was only one light whip we saw that had the tassel configuration, basically being a ludicrously oversized flail or flog. The overwhelming majority of lightwhip users just had a standard whip.
Also lightsaber blades have mass, aren't made of light, and aren't even plasma in the way we understand it as there are multiple things in star wars called plasma but aren't like real world plasma. Hell they aren't even plasma half the time. There's lightsabers that have lava blades. And yes it's as dangerous as it sounds.
Lightwhips, in true canon (called "legends" by some), are weaker than regular lightsabers and can't get through armor as easily. They are also unwieldy, requiring you to master the regular whip before even attempting to use a lightwhip and have very poor defense compared to lightsabers. their main advantages over a regular lightsaber is their reach and their rarity, meaning most would not be trained to deal with one.
I believe it was also stated that trying to use a lightwhip WITHOUT the force's body control and precognitive abilities is basically just an elaborate form of suicide.
Upvoted but- Legends material was never ”true canon”. What happened was that Lucas licensed out book and comics rights and the authors were given latitude to stray from what was on screen, to “expand on it”. When asked after some books had come out that not just added to but in a few cases conflicted with on screen canon, Lucas waffled that it wasn’t either canon or non canon. Some people grumbled about that. I’m not one of them because in the tens of thousands of years of Galactic history there’s a lot of room for things that might have happened in the past one way but the retelling got garbled or reinterpreted or suppressed or just made up, and there’s no way to really be sure. Then came the first reorganization in which some stuff was declared outright non canon (“Splinter In The Mind’s Eye” comes to mind) while other stuff was canonized and yet more was still in limbo. A lot of people protested that loudly. I am one of those mostly because I felt that certain discarded stuff fit the franchise better than some stuff that was kept. Then came his last edict that if it wasn’t on screen it wasn’t canon. People went nuts except for ultra purists. This was about the time Disney bought the property and sort of promised to undo that by creating their own “new canon”, and almost nobody was happy. I sure wasn’t. Now we’re here with Disney picking and choosing from Legends material to canonize on screen. As far as I can tell the general feeling among Star Wars fans is that Disney is emphasizing cool factor over everything (I’m going to ignore the whole “woke” controversy) with additions like the lightsaber whip to the detriment of the overall story. Them swapping out producers and directors and even corporate executives isn’t helping. The bottom line is that it’s not our IP and our headcanon is only that.
@@markfergerson2145 I just follow the canon hierarchy; the 6 movies are G (George) canon, the expanded material that was created with the express goal of keeping continuity is C (Continuity) canon, the expanded material that wasn't made with that goal but that also doesn't have major contradictions is S (Secondary) canon and the material that was never meant to be canon is N (None) canon. (Also, personal opinion, I put TCW and everything that follows that show's continuity in S to N canon with how many contradictions with the rest of the expanded universe it has.) So, since Disney don't work under Lucas and don't have him approve any of their stories, I would consider all of Disney's "canon" as N canon.
In my opinion the main weakness of lightwhip compared to a lightsaber, is that it's pretty much useless against ranged weapons and it's blasters, not lightsabers, that most characters need to worry about in the SW universe.
That depends on the specific example, the original one, the one used by Lumiya, was a physical whip, some of the later ones, like the one used by githany, were more similar to the current canon ones
While I know someone will comment that light whips are a thing before Disney Star Wars. To me, I just think it is funny how Disney threw away the old canon just to sift through it & imagine how to make it worse. What a weird time we're living in.
So glad to see Nate again, Has been greatly missed the past month or so on this channel and Shads, miss all the brotherly banter. Great video as always.
In the original cannon, Lightsaber Whips have been around pretty much since the beginning & were NOT EXTREMELY OP. There's reason why they don't use them anymore. It was just to easy to hurt yourself, you have to wind-up your strikes, & you couldn't block with it. And since it bends, that means all those times you hit him Nate he could've just completely stop the whip it if he had The Force & it couldn't wrap around anything. That means any Force User could easily block you with your slow strikes, & you don't have a way to retaliate against their Lightsaber, or anything really. Then best you could do is run away... So it only would work against a non-Force user, but they'd probably be using a blaster & just try & stay out of range of you. Lightsaber Whips were only used by a couple Force Users (I can think of 2 random ones I've seen in Novels) that didn't really live too long...
There was a bounty hunter on the cover of an young adult novel way back when (the obiwan and qui-gon series), which I always thought was awesome, but yeah as realistic as Lightsabers are, the saber-whip is so much worse.
I kind of feel like most of the issues with a light whip are mitigated by the fact that the wielder would have telekinetic powers. We've seen the force can affect lightsaber blades; it can probably work on lightwhips too. Also, in the one scene of the light whip we have so far, it looks like it starts as a blade (@2:22 in this video), and is then switched into whip form. If you couldn't block blasters by moving the whip with the force, you could just turn it back into sword form.
@@ExileTwilight Who can say how much focus that takes? I'm not a super warrior monk with psychic powers, so I can only work off assumptions here, but I think it's reasonable to assume that she wouldn't wield it if it was unwieldable.
There were lightsaber whips before Disney. I do think they're dumb, but unlike many dumb things in Star Wars, the Light Saber Whip is not a uniquely Disney stupid thing.
Pretty sure Num-sabers are also a thing. Just the thing is, the EU really wasn't regulated at all, it was an all-you-can-eat buffet that you might be able to organise a broad direction out of sometimes. But Luca's always said that his movies trumped whatever came out of there because regulating that was functionally impossible. That's where Boba Fett, king of Mandolore, beating up a Jedi despite being in his 80's and weakened by cancer/cellular degeneration. Or Xizor with his alarmingly realistic humanoid android/sex doll who is heavily inspired by the Terminator, despite Star Wars generally being a fairly analogue galaxy. That being said if you approach it from the mentality of wanting to eat some good junk food and occasionally finding something delicious. Rogue Squadron was also a pretty cool series.
@@lordbiscuitthetossable5352 Beg your pardon but that is false. While there were certainly a few hiccups here and there, overall the classic EU was very well regulated and fit together extremely well. For example in the Shadows of the Empire comics, Zuckuss was written as basically a thug whereas in the Tales of the Bounty Hunters anthology he was written as a wise shaman. When this inconsistency was found they actually went to the trouble of explaining that Zuckuss suffered from Dissociative Identity Disorder. Or how in novels written prior to Episode I Luke would frequently meet people who were the children of Jedi. After the Prequel Trilogy came out, this inconsistency was again explained; there was a smaller splinter group of Jedi that didn't follow the no-attachments rule.
Lightsaber whips are OP until you accidentally hit yourself with it. It would be terrible at deflecting lasers, not only because it's a whip, but it would be impossible to defect it back at the person shooting the gun. It would also be an absolutely terrible weapon to use when fighting with allies.
I don't know why I was expecting the "horse with a horn glued on" comment to be "horse with a brain tumor", but I definitely was. And I'm now going to refer to unicorns as horses with brain tumors.
I always questioned how a Light-Whip would work until I theorised that rather then the traditional Magnetizing Ring (Stabilizing Ring) magnetizing the outer or inner part blade allowing for energy to be guided in a restricted way, that the Light-Whip I theorised works on an opposite basis rather then magnetizing the blades path that they would magnetize the blades energy allowing its whip like ability. Similar to physical dueling lightsabers having the polycarbonate blades being the path for the leds and structure for a standard blade type.
everyone forgets that, while the whip is on the ground it BURNS! and it always tens to wrap around its wielder the laser-whip is more dangerous for the user himself
When Luke fougt a sith night who use a light wipe, he learned from jedi holochroms to use 2 light sabers. One medium leangth and one short, one to bind one to attack.
@matohibiki Back before the dark times...before the Disney trash. The books were either great or trash, for awhile. I'm told the comics were the same. The sames weren't too bad, but gaming was another thing entirely back then.
I actually toyed with the Idea of a lightsaber+lightwhip combination. The difference is; I actually TRIED to make it make sense. Take the old EU lightwhip, which was basically a metal cord that was energized in a way that made it look like a lightsaber and could burn/cut in a similar but less effective manner, and attached a standard. Only one 'blade' could be active at a time. Swing the whip portion in wide arks like an urumi to fight at mid-range, then switch to the standard blade if they get in too close for the whip to be effective. The whip's cord would always be out, and you'd use it to entangle your opponent like the chain of a kusarigama while fighting with the standard blade before leaping back and re-energizing the cord to cover your opponent with a number of semi-shallow cut/burns. Also; like the Urumi; It would be worn by wrapping the cord around the waist like a belt. I made it as a weapon for a Knight of ren in a sort of fan rewright of the suckuel trilogy.
I remember a sith who had a lightsaber whip, and it was well before the prequels. She was a red twi'lek with a red light-whip, because sith. I guess she was from the books. Since the Starwars books required review and licensing to be published they had been cannon, before Disney.
To quote: “THIS IS NOT FUCKING CANON!” Introducing things like lightsaber whips just detracts from the mystique and uniqueness of the lightsaber weapon. Same thing with the shape of the Darksaber. It just goes too far, turning the whole thing into some debased weapon technology… next thing you know, there’s a vehicle with built-in lightsabers for ramming. Because why not? I mean, double-bladed sabers are okay, and having a fencing-style hilt like Dooku doesn’t really change the essence of the weapon. But LS katanas with a bent blade? Nope. Invisible LS blades? Get OUT. These things are just the products of deranged minds slobbering down fanfiction while furiously pleasing themselves to the idea of how 'ingenious' they are.
Considering that the Lightwhip was introduced in July of 1985 in the Marvel Star Wars Comic, these have been in Star Wars for a long time. They even appear in the novels "The Courtship of Princess Leia" and "Darth Bane: Path of Destruction," which were written in 1994 and 2006 respectively. So... I'm going to note that your rant is rather misplaced because the Lightwhip has been a part of Star Wars almost as long as there has been a Star Wars.
I think, maybe, the way of blocking a whip with a sword isn't to statically put the blade across and wait for the impact, but to keep moving the blade backwards, so it slides along with the whip keeping it away from the body. So I say comfortably sitting and not willing to try it at all! Loved to see Nate again, great video.
Been a long time Star Wars fan and I absolutely hate even the thought of a light saber whip, at least the way it’s portrayed in the clip you shared. Others commented in the past it was a physical energy whip with a small saber at the tip which is infinitely better imo.
Well it's just a magnetic flied holder the plasma gas so you could used it to form around a flexible tube that holds the flied. So a bit like in Iron man 2 but with real plasma.
It was nice to see Nate, and his interactions with you, again. And I loved that the entire crew got to participate. Really nice video, I laughed a lot. 😉 Musical greetings from Belgium, Gunther (singer and lyrics writer of Gabriel Scar)
Great video. Can't help thinking that a lightsaber whip like the one shown in the trailer would be incredibly difficult to use, but the lightsaber plasma would cut through pretty much anything, making it difficult to stop before it comes around and hits yourself. You could maybe use the force to control it and protect yourself, but that's gonna need concentration. The most likely outcome of using a lightsaber whip is that it's bound to come around and touch you at some point. And a lightsaber touching you is basically death. Unless you're in disney star wars, where a lightsaber going through both lungs and your heart is just an inconvenience instead. Also, having seen what lightsabers do when they touch anything, even metal, you'd struggle to keep the lightsaber whip off the ground (all the whip wielders in this video had it on the ground for around 90% of the time, for example) and as soon as it touched the ground it would melt downwards into the ground. Just imagine activating it in a building and it melting down into the level below and hitting some random person sat there. Thinking about it, other than (maybe) a spear, swords are probably the best weapon to model a lightsaber on. Is there anything better?
I don't think the whip would be dominant against competent force users. Couldn't you block the whip with the force and send it back on the person holding it? I think the whip would be a weak option.
I get the feeling that having a blaster alongside your lightsaber would give you an edge against someone using a lightwhip. Because when you're fighting someone lightsaber to lightsaber, they can react to your counter just as quickly as you can defend against their attack, even if you're using a blaster because they can just deflect the blaster bolts, or worse deflect them back at you. But a lightwhip is a much different scenario because like with a regular whip, there's this window where the user has to re adjust in order to attack, due to the flexibility of the whip. So if you can catch your opponent in that window, defending yourself with your lightsaber, you just have to wait for that window to open and then grab your blaster and unload some bolts into his chest. Your opponent won't be able to defend himself due to the time it takes to re adjust the whip to prepare for an attack and deflecting the bolts during this window is out of the question altogether because if he's in the middle of re adjusting the whip, that presents a greater risk to himself and he might lose a limb if not just straight up dice himself into pieces.
I first heard about them in the Darth Bane novels. I haven't even heard of anything new in Star Wars since High Republic or Ahsoka was announced. As I hear it, I haven't been missing out on anything worthy of watching.
so here is my thoughts on blocking with that lightsaber. 2 ways to do this. 1) there is some button that makes it so it goes rigid, so that when your against blaster people, you can press the button, make it go rigid and do that. 2) this one is a bit more dangerous, but requires you to have special armor, like beskar, around your off arm. the reason is when people begin shooting at you, you quickly wrap the blade around your hand, wrist, ect, pull it taught and use that to block.
@@harlannguyen4048 basically yes. there are issues with the weapon(ignoring the completely and totally lore breaking reasons why this dumb thing shouldve never been added to damn canon). so if you cannot make this a rigid blade when you need to block blaster bolts, the other option is, like i said, beskar or whatever around your hand, wrist and arm to your shoulder, wrap it in your hand and pull it taught.
spin it like a tetherball and hope nothing bad happens. consider blocking by holding the whip in 2 places "use the force" also consider using it coiled and let it uncoil on thrust.
In the Bane trilogy there was a lightsaber whip and they mentioned it wasn't effective as there are ways to counter it. It's danger was in it's novelty as it's a strange weapon to face for the first time.
NATE!!! 😆 edit: In Star Wars lore, there are materials which are not only resistant to lightsaber cuts, but some like Cortosis can even short out lightsabers as soon as the blade makes contact with it (which admittedly makes very little sense if the lightsaber blades are supposed to be plasma beams shooting out)...
lightwhips have always been my prime examples of the EU having some really really dumb fiction breaking stuff in it. its just absurd, and destroys the canon. total amateur writing of one upmanship, rule of cool over any semblance of trying to maintain theme and logic. light sabres, no light spears!, no light axes!, no light whips! no thought of what it does to the world, or logic of how they operate. just, +1 to more exotic weapons. same thing that leads to more and more "force powers", and helicopter light sabers, healing powers, etc.
You say that they cant get in quick enough, but you forget about Force Speed, you know, that thing they used once in Phantom menace and then forgot about it in the same movie when Obi Wan was running to support his master.
Lightsaber whips were in legends as well. I can't recall the name of the character, but a Night Sister in the Forces Of Corruption expansion for Empire At War had a lightsaber whip.
Githany, one of the Sith students in the Brotherhood of Darkness as well as Lumiya, one of Palpatine's Emperor's Hands and Sith after his death, both famously used lightwhips. Normal physical whips with energy around the cords.
People do know it was from Legends before right? xD It is weird complaining about it, especially when Dark Rey double bladed lightsaber was made fun of, the one that folds, even though Pong had a lightsaber like that and the Jedi Temple guards and no one complained before. xD Disney star wars still sucks for the most part though.
Having non rigid lightsabers raises questions about how well a whip would cut if just the 'blade' was resting on something under it's own weight. I guess from Phantom Menace we know that *some* force & time is needed to cut through blast doors. How much force is behind a whip that's limp after wrapping around a blade? Nate's takes on when things were grazing hits were probably fair in that respect. Also, all the physics around a whip is based on the tapering off of its mass along its length, dunno if light whips attempt that or just work using Jedi magic. P.p.s. Please wear safety glasses!
Keep in mind, there may even be controls to help move the whip, and that it would be nearly weightless on everything but the handle. So, gravity would likely have less pull on it. I think the bigger issue with a Lightsaber Whip, without some advanced controls or extensive training, would be hurting yourself.
You're right, lightsaber whips are a horrible idea. The lack of defense, risk of self-dismemberment, imprecise attacks, and less versatility than regular lightsabers are all bad. The one advantage is against other lightsabers, and in that single, very specific situation it's just completely unstoppable. Whoever made lightsaber whips... Shame on you.
What's harder, repelling plasma beams back at attackers, or a plasma whip? I'm pretty sure light whips were in the original extended novels, but they are a bad idea against a Jedi because if you aren't holding it down like a sword, whoever is the stronger force wielder can just grab the whip with telekinesis and thrust it at you.
i might misremember, but to achieve the flexible blade (in the real SW lore), it utilizes flexible sections of actual hadware. and the lightsaber blade just follows those flexible elements pathing. the force user can use force to control the sections for them to move in more precise manner.... the weapon is closer to whiplash's plasma whips from ironman than to conventional lightsaber. it is NOT a friggin flexible light as shown in that movie! such a blade would not be possible at all. especially since they are selling lightsabers as LASER swords. and i think it has ever only been used by SITH! because not only it is complex as ef to wield, but it is purely offensive weapon with zero defensive capabilities even in lore, witch goes totally against jedi way of doing things. while for a sith such weapon made just to attack and kill disregarding defense from weapon is just in their ballpark. also- the whip is used by nimble, slim characters (to minimize own hitbox as user needs to control the unwieldy thing AND 0avoid any damage with acrobatics)- that gomorrean jedi in the show would need an axe or a club as weapon to look natural.
Apparently the lightsaber whip in The Acolyte can switch between being a whip and a standard lightsaber blade. So you wouldn't really have any problem defending against blaster bolts with that one 🤷♂. Then again, given how easy it is to hit yourself with them, and how hard they are to control in the first place, I would expect Jedi to manipulate them telekinetically, anyhow. But I don't know if that's actually the case, or not 🤷♂.
Ok, I have an idea for an even better weapon. A lightsaber gun. I think a good name for it would be something like a blaster. 🤣 Now you may be like, but wait, they can block the shot, and that blaster thing sounds so uncivilized. But I would be like fair points, buuuut, not if you have 2! And a dead Jedi isn't very civilized either. I mean how civilized are you if you can't consume tea and crumpets with your pinky extended? Anyways, fire 2 shots at the exact same time with the distance of the shots being greater than the length of a lightsaber. You could maybe even design a double barrel blaster with adjustable angled barrels that fires 2 vertical shots. I never understood why the storm troopers didn't receive orders to volley fire. 3 2 1 fire. That's unblockable.
Maybe a Force user could use the Force to manipulate the articulation, making a wielder especially dangerous but also making a massive weakness. An opponent could Force-push the whip into the wielder or hold it so they can advance with their normal lightsaber
I feel like out of everything you can invest it with lightsaber tech, the whip feels pretty low on the list. Imagine a large body shield and a long spear user but the lightsaber version. How does any Jedi with just a lightsaber beat that? You can just hide behind it and run at someone, cowering behind it and turn everything and anyone into dust in your path.
I would like to point out that the physical whip is spending a lot of time on the ground in between strikes because GRAVITY, which means that a lightsaber whip would have to be retracted into the handle for every strike unless the wielder was fine with incinerating the floor. Also this obviously could not be used in confined spaces.
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The Limpsaber in the video thumbnail is a comedic masterpiece!
It's like the Disney star wars whip-saber, which is a rip-off of the Family Guy Star Wars parody where Herbert Obi-Wan's lightsaber went limp until he saw a young boy.
@@rolandswift4311 which is itself a rip off from "traumschiff surprise periode 1" a german made spoof movie that parodies star wars, star treck and space sci-fi in general, in which the lead antagonist uses a laser whip (the film also features the swizz army laser, which does have a corkscrew)
and before that there was the live action He-Man movie which features a scene where He-Man is being tortured with a laser whip.
First time I remember the lightsaber whip was Lumiya's, it’s why Luke built his first shoto lightsaber. Epstein didn’t kill himself.
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Even though light whips are a thing before Disney, it’s still a stupid idea.
unless it's a sword fight obviously
it's not really an actual "lightsaber whip" it's a traditional lightsaber minus the blade with a ton of wires wrapped together in the emitter and the crystal in the hilt creates a energy field around areas of the wires. look up lumiya's lightwhip to see illustrations
Fun fact about light whips pre-Disney. They actually had mass, because basically the only part that actually activated was at the very end. Slightly more cat of nine tails style.
Which makes way more sense. A entire whip like that needs only nick you one time.
Nobody cares. They were still fucking stupid.
1) "Light" weapons are made of photons, not plasma. They didn't know it at the time...but it turns out you CAN potentially make self-terminating laser beams that behave like solid objects. We haven't mastered it yet, but we have shown it can be done in a lab. Photons can be entangled to one another and then bound up together in a format that behaves as if it were a massless solid object.
2) A plasma whip would still be functionally massless, for all your capacity to sense its mass in the first place.
3) Whips are shitty weapons in any practical sense. They're fine for a tiny handful of violent but non-combat uses, but in an actual fight of any sort...they're wildly inferior.
@@DoremiFasolatido1979one, you cared enough to leave a multi paragraph comment.
Two, if you want to bring real world logic into this a regular lightsaber would cause you to explode if they touched you from the sheer amount of energy they produce.
Hell blaster bolts actually impart more energy on a target than freaking boltors from 40k but you don't see people being blown apart in star wars.
Three, you don't have precognition, super natural extrasensory perception, the ability manipulate matter through telekinesis, or casually move and react at ftl speeds. Which what every person who uses lightwhips can do.
Also it's not hard to overcome a lightwhip through armor. They struggle to cut through durasteel, the same shit used for standard vehicle armor and super battledroids.
That is not true, like at all. They are covered in an energy jacket that surrounds the physical whip. Or a whip made of energy that has mass. There was only one light whip we saw that had the tassel configuration, basically being a ludicrously oversized flail or flog. The overwhelming majority of lightwhip users just had a standard whip.
Also lightsaber blades have mass, aren't made of light, and aren't even plasma in the way we understand it as there are multiple things in star wars called plasma but aren't like real world plasma. Hell they aren't even plasma half the time. There's lightsabers that have lava blades. And yes it's as dangerous as it sounds.
Lightwhips, in true canon (called "legends" by some), are weaker than regular lightsabers and can't get through armor as easily. They are also unwieldy, requiring you to master the regular whip before even attempting to use a lightwhip and have very poor defense compared to lightsabers. their main advantages over a regular lightsaber is their reach and their rarity, meaning most would not be trained to deal with one.
I believe it was also stated that trying to use a lightwhip WITHOUT the force's body control and precognitive abilities is basically just an elaborate form of suicide.
Upvoted but-
Legends material was never ”true canon”. What happened was that Lucas licensed out book and comics rights and the authors were given latitude to stray from what was on screen, to “expand on it”. When asked after some books had come out that not just added to but in a few cases conflicted with on screen canon, Lucas waffled that it wasn’t either canon or non canon. Some people grumbled about that. I’m not one of them because in the tens of thousands of years of Galactic history there’s a lot of room for things that might have happened in the past one way but the retelling got garbled or reinterpreted or suppressed or just made up, and there’s no way to really be sure.
Then came the first reorganization in which some stuff was declared outright non canon (“Splinter In The Mind’s Eye” comes to mind) while other stuff was canonized and yet more was still in limbo. A lot of people protested that loudly. I am one of those mostly because I felt that certain discarded stuff fit the franchise better than some stuff that was kept.
Then came his last edict that if it wasn’t on screen it wasn’t canon. People went nuts except for ultra purists. This was about the time Disney bought the property and sort of promised to undo that by creating their own “new canon”, and almost nobody was happy. I sure wasn’t.
Now we’re here with Disney picking and choosing from Legends material to canonize on screen.
As far as I can tell the general feeling among Star Wars fans is that Disney is emphasizing cool factor over everything (I’m going to ignore the whole “woke” controversy) with additions like the lightsaber whip to the detriment of the overall story. Them swapping out producers and directors and even corporate executives isn’t helping.
The bottom line is that it’s not our IP and our headcanon is only that.
@@markfergerson2145 I just follow the canon hierarchy; the 6 movies are G (George) canon, the expanded material that was created with the express goal of keeping continuity is C (Continuity) canon, the expanded material that wasn't made with that goal but that also doesn't have major contradictions is S (Secondary) canon and the material that was never meant to be canon is N (None) canon. (Also, personal opinion, I put TCW and everything that follows that show's continuity in S to N canon with how many contradictions with the rest of the expanded universe it has.) So, since Disney don't work under Lucas and don't have him approve any of their stories, I would consider all of Disney's "canon" as N canon.
I figured that jedi would just use the force to control the whip so they wouldn't hit themselves
@@markfergerson2145 Fans have more power over what's rightful canon than someone who just has a big bag of money.
I knew there was never any chance that someone WASN'T going to get whipped in the face. I'm glad I was right. Though, I do hope Nathan is okay.
In my opinion the main weakness of lightwhip compared to a lightsaber, is that it's pretty much useless against ranged weapons and it's blasters, not lightsabers, that most characters need to worry about in the SW universe.
yeah imma take the legends design of the saber whip, where it was more a physical whip that had energy going through it.
That depends on the specific example, the original one, the one used by Lumiya, was a physical whip, some of the later ones, like the one used by githany, were more similar to the current canon ones
@@brakdanych4329 that original one was the only one i knew about ^^;
@@brakdanych4329 Githany's whip was also a physical whip surrounded by energy
I got so worried about Nathan's face there for a second.
NATES ALIVE!?!?!?!?!?! BUT HE DIDN'T APPEAR ON THE INTERNET FOR A WHILE!!! INCONCEIVABLE.
While I know someone will comment that light whips are a thing before Disney Star Wars. To me, I just think it is funny how Disney threw away the old canon just to sift through it & imagine how to make it worse. What a weird time we're living in.
So glad to see Nate again, Has been greatly missed the past month or so on this channel and Shads, miss all the brotherly banter. Great video as always.
Great seeing Nate again. This was a really fun video that I really enjoyed watching.
In the original cannon, Lightsaber Whips have been around pretty much since the beginning & were NOT EXTREMELY OP. There's reason why they don't use them anymore. It was just to easy to hurt yourself, you have to wind-up your strikes, & you couldn't block with it.
And since it bends, that means all those times you hit him Nate he could've just completely stop the whip it if he had The Force & it couldn't wrap around anything. That means any Force User could easily block you with your slow strikes, & you don't have a way to retaliate against their Lightsaber, or anything really. Then best you could do is run away...
So it only would work against a non-Force user, but they'd probably be using a blaster & just try & stay out of range of you.
Lightsaber Whips were only used by a couple Force Users (I can think of 2 random ones I've seen in Novels) that didn't really live too long...
Great to see the lads together. It's like one big, happy family.
P.s. I'm still out here waiting for Sir Rantcelot's promised Assassin's Creed videos!
He'd be fine if he was wearing Mandalorian armor
Definitely resistant enough
Durasteel, and maybe even plastisteel, can even shrug off a hit from a lightwhip due to its lower power output.
Beskar for the win
I hated how OP they made that in the show. There was no tension. I don't care if it's that OP in the lore, it shouldn't be in the first place.
Depends, not all armor was Beskar.
There was a bounty hunter on the cover of an young adult novel way back when (the obiwan and qui-gon series), which I always thought was awesome, but yeah as realistic as Lightsabers are, the saber-whip is so much worse.
It's cool to see Marcus back in projects. I'm still not sure why he had to leave Shadavercity but it's nice he's still around
FYI Lightwhips in EU canon are weaker than Lightsabers.
Dangerous against a normal Jedi, but dual wielding negates the advantage, and puts the whip wielder at disadvantage.
What a fun episode. Just a bunch of mad lads chumming around. Good to see Nate again as well.
I kind of feel like most of the issues with a light whip are mitigated by the fact that the wielder would have telekinetic powers. We've seen the force can affect lightsaber blades; it can probably work on lightwhips too.
Also, in the one scene of the light whip we have so far, it looks like it starts as a blade (@2:22 in this video), and is then switched into whip form. If you couldn't block blasters by moving the whip with the force, you could just turn it back into sword form.
The problem is that if you have to focus on keeping the whip from hitting yourself, you leave yourself open to force attacks from your opponent.
@@ExileTwilight Who can say how much focus that takes? I'm not a super warrior monk with psychic powers, so I can only work off assumptions here, but I think it's reasonable to assume that she wouldn't wield it if it was unwieldable.
Heck yeah Nate appearance!
There were lightsaber whips before Disney. I do think they're dumb, but unlike many dumb things in Star Wars, the Light Saber Whip is not a uniquely Disney stupid thing.
Pretty sure Num-sabers are also a thing. Just the thing is, the EU really wasn't regulated at all, it was an all-you-can-eat buffet that you might be able to organise a broad direction out of sometimes. But Luca's always said that his movies trumped whatever came out of there because regulating that was functionally impossible.
That's where Boba Fett, king of Mandolore, beating up a Jedi despite being in his 80's and weakened by cancer/cellular degeneration. Or Xizor with his alarmingly realistic humanoid android/sex doll who is heavily inspired by the Terminator, despite Star Wars generally being a fairly analogue galaxy. That being said if you approach it from the mentality of wanting to eat some good junk food and occasionally finding something delicious. Rogue Squadron was also a pretty cool series.
@@lordbiscuitthetossable5352 Beg your pardon but that is false. While there were certainly a few hiccups here and there, overall the classic EU was very well regulated and fit together extremely well.
For example in the Shadows of the Empire comics, Zuckuss was written as basically a thug whereas in the Tales of the Bounty Hunters anthology he was written as a wise shaman. When this inconsistency was found they actually went to the trouble of explaining that Zuckuss suffered from Dissociative Identity Disorder.
Or how in novels written prior to Episode I Luke would frequently meet people who were the children of Jedi. After the Prequel Trilogy came out, this inconsistency was again explained; there was a smaller splinter group of Jedi that didn't follow the no-attachments rule.
Great to see Nate. I’ve never commented on this or Shad’s channel, but I’m so happy to see Nate with Tyranth again, I had to show support.
Lightsaber whips are OP until you accidentally hit yourself with it. It would be terrible at deflecting lasers, not only because it's a whip, but it would be impossible to defect it back at the person shooting the gun. It would also be an absolutely terrible weapon to use when fighting with allies.
Nathan took one to the face. A money shot if I've ever seen one.
I don't know why I was expecting the "horse with a horn glued on" comment to be "horse with a brain tumor", but I definitely was. And I'm now going to refer to unicorns as horses with brain tumors.
Lemme tell you something about jackalopes. Or the rabbits with horns.
Narwhals (medieval people thought they were fantasy creatures and unicorns real) 'horn' is actually a tusk (tooth) growing through their head.
I always questioned how a Light-Whip would work until I theorised that rather then the traditional Magnetizing Ring (Stabilizing Ring) magnetizing the outer or inner part blade allowing for energy to be guided in a restricted way, that the Light-Whip I theorised works on an opposite basis rather then magnetizing the blades path that they would magnetize the blades energy allowing its whip like ability.
Similar to physical dueling lightsabers having the polycarbonate blades being the path for the leds and structure for a standard blade type.
everyone forgets that, while the whip is on the ground it BURNS!
and it always tens to wrap around its wielder
the laser-whip is more dangerous for the user himself
When Luke fougt a sith night who use a light wipe, he learned from jedi holochroms to use 2 light sabers. One medium leangth and one short, one to bind one to attack.
Not med, normal & a short 'shota'
@@xxxlonewolf49 Shoto. The word you used means something else.
@@matohibiki It's what I remember from probably 20 years ago
@@xxxlonewolf49 Oh, not judging, just informing.
@matohibiki Back before the dark times...before the Disney trash. The books were either great or trash, for awhile. I'm told the comics were the same. The sames weren't too bad, but gaming was another thing entirely back then.
I actually toyed with the Idea of a lightsaber+lightwhip combination. The difference is; I actually TRIED to make it make sense.
Take the old EU lightwhip, which was basically a metal cord that was energized in a way that made it look like a lightsaber and could burn/cut in a similar but less effective manner, and attached a standard.
Only one 'blade' could be active at a time. Swing the whip portion in wide arks like an urumi to fight at mid-range, then switch to the standard blade if they get in too close for the whip to be effective. The whip's cord would always be out, and you'd use it to entangle your opponent like the chain of a kusarigama while fighting with the standard blade before leaping back and re-energizing the cord to cover your opponent with a number of semi-shallow cut/burns.
Also; like the Urumi; It would be worn by wrapping the cord around the waist like a belt. I made it as a weapon for a Knight of ren in a sort of fan rewright of the suckuel trilogy.
I think that's how Venestra's lightwhip works
@@freelands8355 No. Hers is a single blade that somehow changes from being straight to bending like a whip. no explaining how.
NASA borrowed him to power the super heavy. His chrome done is the perfect solar panel. 😮
Nate! Good to see ya
its nice to see nate again...hope to see him often
1:45 wait? You guy's know Shad? Interesting....
Happy to see Nate! Glad you guys are good! And Nathan!
Just waiting for the saber chucks to make an appearance... 😉
I’m sure people will find a way to defend them haha
Sabre Tonfa were thing too.
I remember a sith who had a lightsaber whip, and it was well before the prequels. She was a red twi'lek with a red light-whip, because sith. I guess she was from the books. Since the Starwars books required review and licensing to be published they had been cannon, before Disney.
this episode with the whole crew was amazing to watch, much love guys
To quote: “THIS IS NOT FUCKING CANON!” Introducing things like lightsaber whips just detracts from the mystique and uniqueness of the lightsaber weapon. Same thing with the shape of the Darksaber. It just goes too far, turning the whole thing into some debased weapon technology… next thing you know, there’s a vehicle with built-in lightsabers for ramming. Because why not? I mean, double-bladed sabers are okay, and having a fencing-style hilt like Dooku doesn’t really change the essence of the weapon. But LS katanas with a bent blade? Nope. Invisible LS blades? Get OUT. These things are just the products of deranged minds slobbering down fanfiction while furiously pleasing themselves to the idea of how 'ingenious' they are.
Considering that the Lightwhip was introduced in July of 1985 in the Marvel Star Wars Comic, these have been in Star Wars for a long time. They even appear in the novels "The Courtship of Princess Leia" and "Darth Bane: Path of Destruction," which were written in 1994 and 2006 respectively. So... I'm going to note that your rant is rather misplaced because the Lightwhip has been a part of Star Wars almost as long as there has been a Star Wars.
I think, maybe, the way of blocking a whip with a sword isn't to statically put the blade across and wait for the impact, but to keep moving the blade backwards, so it slides along with the whip keeping it away from the body. So I say comfortably sitting and not willing to try it at all!
Loved to see Nate again, great video.
so happy to see nate!!! hope he's doing well!!
Been a long time Star Wars fan and I absolutely hate even the thought of a light saber whip, at least the way it’s portrayed in the clip you shared. Others commented in the past it was a physical energy whip with a small saber at the tip which is infinitely better imo.
Well it's just a magnetic flied holder the plasma gas so you could used it to form around a flexible tube that holds the flied. So a bit like in Iron man 2 but with real plasma.
A True Aussie: You call that a lightsaber whip? This is a lightsaber (because Lightsaber Whips are lame)
ITS NATE, HES BACK HES BACK FK YEAH
It was nice to see Nate, and his interactions with you, again. And I loved that the entire crew got to participate. Really nice video, I laughed a lot. 😉 Musical greetings from Belgium, Gunther (singer and lyrics writer of Gabriel Scar)
Great video. Can't help thinking that a lightsaber whip like the one shown in the trailer would be incredibly difficult to use, but the lightsaber plasma would cut through pretty much anything, making it difficult to stop before it comes around and hits yourself. You could maybe use the force to control it and protect yourself, but that's gonna need concentration. The most likely outcome of using a lightsaber whip is that it's bound to come around and touch you at some point. And a lightsaber touching you is basically death. Unless you're in disney star wars, where a lightsaber going through both lungs and your heart is just an inconvenience instead.
Also, having seen what lightsabers do when they touch anything, even metal, you'd struggle to keep the lightsaber whip off the ground (all the whip wielders in this video had it on the ground for around 90% of the time, for example) and as soon as it touched the ground it would melt downwards into the ground. Just imagine activating it in a building and it melting down into the level below and hitting some random person sat there.
Thinking about it, other than (maybe) a spear, swords are probably the best weapon to model a lightsaber on. Is there anything better?
I don't think the whip would be dominant against competent force users. Couldn't you block the whip with the force and send it back on the person holding it? I think the whip would be a weak option.
That was freakin entertaining gents!
I get the feeling that having a blaster alongside your lightsaber would give you an edge against someone using a lightwhip. Because when you're fighting someone lightsaber to lightsaber, they can react to your counter just as quickly as you can defend against their attack, even if you're using a blaster because they can just deflect the blaster bolts, or worse deflect them back at you. But a lightwhip is a much different scenario because like with a regular whip, there's this window where the user has to re adjust in order to attack, due to the flexibility of the whip. So if you can catch your opponent in that window, defending yourself with your lightsaber, you just have to wait for that window to open and then grab your blaster and unload some bolts into his chest. Your opponent won't be able to defend himself due to the time it takes to re adjust the whip to prepare for an attack and deflecting the bolts during this window is out of the question altogether because if he's in the middle of re adjusting the whip, that presents a greater risk to himself and he might lose a limb if not just straight up dice himself into pieces.
ayy, hello Nate! been a while. good to see Markas, too.
That reaction to the hat is amazing.
It's good seeing the boys come together and have fun. Edit: 15:30 SHIT.
NATE!!!! Im always happy when i see him show up in a video, he's such a good addition to any video
Clearly you forgot that lightsabers don’t actually kill people
Clearly you forgot that a storm trooper hit his head in 1977 so nothing really matters
Aw, can't believe they missed the joke "Safety gear? Why do you think I gave you the unicorn headwarmer?" xP
I love this video. Kind of nostalgic
Reminds me of a certain flexible melee weapon from saints row 😂
That was fantastic! Awesome to see Nate again. I agree that everything Star Wars has gone to crap, so no disagreements here.
They missed a great opportunity to Tommy Boy Nathan. "It doesn't hurt so much here.... Or here... But right here..." "Nope, don't see anything."
I first heard about them in the Darth Bane novels. I haven't even heard of anything new in Star Wars since High Republic or Ahsoka was announced. As I hear it, I haven't been missing out on anything worthy of watching.
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so here is my thoughts on blocking with that lightsaber. 2 ways to do this.
1) there is some button that makes it so it goes rigid, so that when your against blaster people, you can press the button, make it go rigid and do that.
2) this one is a bit more dangerous, but requires you to have special armor, like beskar, around your off arm. the reason is when people begin shooting at you, you quickly wrap the blade around your hand, wrist, ect, pull it taught and use that to block.
So, basically make it a chain sword.
@@harlannguyen4048 basically yes.
there are issues with the weapon(ignoring the completely and totally lore breaking reasons why this dumb thing shouldve never been added to damn canon).
so if you cannot make this a rigid blade when you need to block blaster bolts, the other option is, like i said, beskar or whatever around your hand, wrist and arm to your shoulder, wrap it in your hand and pull it taught.
15:27 to 15:32😂Dang Tyranth those"friends"of yours forgot for a few seconds that you were actualy friends.😂
spin it like a tetherball and hope nothing bad happens.
consider blocking by holding the whip in 2 places "use the force"
also consider using it coiled and let it uncoil on thrust.
This was such a fun watch and so great to see Nate again.
Nathan took that like a man go Nathan, glad to see nate again
In the Bane trilogy there was a lightsaber whip and they mentioned it wasn't effective as there are ways to counter it. It's danger was in it's novelty as it's a strange weapon to face for the first time.
NATE!!! 😆
edit: In Star Wars lore, there are materials which are not only resistant to lightsaber cuts, but some like Cortosis can even short out lightsabers as soon as the blade makes contact with it (which admittedly makes very little sense if the lightsaber blades are supposed to be plasma beams shooting out)...
Should've used a nerf gun to simulate the blaster.
lightwhips have always been my prime examples of the EU having some really really dumb fiction breaking stuff in it. its just absurd, and destroys the canon. total amateur writing of one upmanship, rule of cool over any semblance of trying to maintain theme and logic. light sabres, no light spears!, no light axes!, no light whips! no thought of what it does to the world, or logic of how they operate. just, +1 to more exotic weapons. same thing that leads to more and more "force powers", and helicopter light sabers, healing powers, etc.
You know all those things are in the original canon, right?
It was very nice to see Nate on the show. And I agree with you.
You say that they cant get in quick enough, but you forget about Force Speed, you know, that thing they used once in Phantom menace and then forgot about it in the same movie when Obi Wan was running to support his master.
But opponent can also use forece speed
It's a rare and pleasant sighting of Nate the Unicorn! 🦄
Dangerous weapon for everyone, but maybe steerable with The Force.
Anyone else notice the thumbnail go from floppy lightsaber, to a regular lightsaber whip, back to a floppy lightsaber?
Lightsaber whips were in legends as well. I can't recall the name of the character, but a Night Sister in the Forces Of Corruption expansion for Empire At War had a lightsaber whip.
Githany, one of the Sith students in the Brotherhood of Darkness as well as Lumiya, one of Palpatine's Emperor's Hands and Sith after his death, both famously used lightwhips. Normal physical whips with energy around the cords.
That lightsaber on the thumbnail has performance anxiety.
20% of lightsaber suffer from this
People do know it was from Legends before right? xD It is weird complaining about it, especially when Dark Rey double bladed lightsaber was made fun of, the one that folds, even though Pong had a lightsaber like that and the Jedi Temple guards and no one complained before. xD Disney star wars still sucks for the most part though.
that beanie lowkey clean it fits nate
Love the group episodes. Make more with the crew involved.
Having non rigid lightsabers raises questions about how well a whip would cut if just the 'blade' was resting on something under it's own weight.
I guess from Phantom Menace we know that *some* force & time is needed to cut through blast doors. How much force is behind a whip that's limp after wrapping around a blade?
Nate's takes on when things were grazing hits were probably fair in that respect.
Also, all the physics around a whip is based on the tapering off of its mass along its length, dunno if light whips attempt that or just work using Jedi magic.
P.p.s. Please wear safety glasses!
NATE!!!!!!!!😮😢I miss you
Keep in mind, there may even be controls to help move the whip, and that it would be nearly weightless on everything but the handle. So, gravity would likely have less pull on it.
I think the bigger issue with a Lightsaber Whip, without some advanced controls or extensive training, would be hurting yourself.
I've seen a real unicorn today, the 2nd feature of lightsabers is to reflect laser fire unless they do that too with whips it makes they worse
It exists in the pre disney era, but it was weaker and used more to stun and hold since it couldnt cut like a normal light saber
You're right, lightsaber whips are a horrible idea. The lack of defense, risk of self-dismemberment, imprecise attacks, and less versatility than regular lightsabers are all bad. The one advantage is against other lightsabers, and in that single, very specific situation it's just completely unstoppable. Whoever made lightsaber whips... Shame on you.
What's harder, repelling plasma beams back at attackers, or a plasma whip?
I'm pretty sure light whips were in the original extended novels, but they are a bad idea against a Jedi because if you aren't holding it down like a sword, whoever is the stronger force wielder can just grab the whip with telekinesis and thrust it at you.
That last swing got Nathan ohhhhh pretty good...
i might misremember, but to achieve the flexible blade (in the real SW lore), it utilizes flexible sections of actual hadware. and the lightsaber blade just follows those flexible elements pathing. the force user can use force to control the sections for them to move in more precise manner.... the weapon is closer to whiplash's plasma whips from ironman than to conventional lightsaber.
it is NOT a friggin flexible light as shown in that movie! such a blade would not be possible at all. especially since they are selling lightsabers as LASER swords.
and i think it has ever only been used by SITH! because not only it is complex as ef to wield, but it is purely offensive weapon with zero defensive capabilities even in lore, witch goes totally against jedi way of doing things. while for a sith such weapon made just to attack and kill disregarding defense from weapon is just in their ballpark.
also- the whip is used by nimble, slim characters (to minimize own hitbox as user needs to control the unwieldy thing AND 0avoid any damage with acrobatics)- that gomorrean jedi in the show would need an axe or a club as weapon to look natural.
Apparently the lightsaber whip in The Acolyte can switch between being a whip and a standard lightsaber blade. So you wouldn't really have any problem defending against blaster bolts with that one 🤷♂. Then again, given how easy it is to hit yourself with them, and how hard they are to control in the first place, I would expect Jedi to manipulate them telekinetically, anyhow. But I don't know if that's actually the case, or not 🤷♂.
Does it matter when you can survive getting stabbed through the abdomen and spine or chopped in half?
The return of Nate the great!
Ok, I have an idea for an even better weapon. A lightsaber gun. I think a good name for it would be something like a blaster. 🤣
Now you may be like, but wait, they can block the shot, and that blaster thing sounds so uncivilized. But I would be like fair points, buuuut, not if you have 2! And a dead Jedi isn't very civilized either. I mean how civilized are you if you can't consume tea and crumpets with your pinky extended? Anyways, fire 2 shots at the exact same time with the distance of the shots being greater than the length of a lightsaber. You could maybe even design a double barrel blaster with adjustable angled barrels that fires 2 vertical shots.
I never understood why the storm troopers didn't receive orders to volley fire. 3 2 1 fire. That's unblockable.
It was indeed possible for a Jedi to power their blaster with a lightsaber crystal.
Maybe a Force user could use the Force to manipulate the articulation, making a wielder especially dangerous but also making a massive weakness.
An opponent could Force-push the whip into the wielder or hold it so they can advance with their normal lightsaber
I feel like out of everything you can invest it with lightsaber tech, the whip feels pretty low on the list. Imagine a large body shield and a long spear user but the lightsaber version. How does any Jedi with just a lightsaber beat that? You can just hide behind it and run at someone, cowering behind it and turn everything and anyone into dust in your path.
I would like to point out that the physical whip is spending a lot of time on the ground in between strikes because GRAVITY, which means that a lightsaber whip would have to be retracted into the handle for every strike unless the wielder was fine with incinerating the floor. Also this obviously could not be used in confined spaces.
A lightsaber whip would just destroy the ground and everything all over the place.
It's an INSANE weapon.
Keep in mind when it comes to blocking, the force is the biggest component in use