@@auzzo7976 No he wasn't. He was at best only an equal jury threat, and got nowhere near making the end, while Steve made the end and won the game. And Vanessa cuts him way sooner if it wasn't for needing the Liz/Julia/Austin trio as a shield.
@@heretomakeitclear Naw, Liz atleast had a good shot to make the end, even though she was never winning the game. Julia both had no shot to reach the end as we saw, or win the game. And in the super unlikely event we got an all twins Final 2 Liz wins (although Julia is the only one of the entire Final 7 atleast probably that Liz beats).
Steve should be 2nd. For me Steve and Vanessa are like really close, Vanessa's main strenght for me is how influental she was in the house. Other than that she wasnt really that good of a social player. Steve integrated a very good strategy in the house, his only main drawback is how much he touched the block but that was apart of his strategy being "Waste of an HOH to get rid off"
Maybe but she is in fact overranked on this list. 4th is too high for her. She was never winning the game as she had no winning Final 2 out of the entire Final 5 atleast.
This is exactly why Liz is underrated, The Twins ran the house plus Liz was a slight comp beast and one hell of a good player if anything Austin is too high and Julia is too low
@@Lukaz_Stxyz The twins ran the house you say, LOL! Vanessa ran the house, and the twins and almost everyone else followed her orders. Julia did nothing, she is overranked if anything. Liz is a way stronger player than Julia, but even for her 4th is probably a bit high. Even the people in the jury house said Liz just followed Vanessa and Austin's orders all game. And I don't even think Austin even deserves to be as high as 2nd, but he still has to be higher than Liz. Liz would have been happy going to F2 with Austin, particularly if Julia was gone, and losing to her boyfriend. She was happy taking Vanessa to F2 and losing, rather than taking Steve who she might have stood a shot against. Steve atleast wasn't dumb enough to take Vanessa over Liz, the way Liz was going to be that dumb (she admits she would have cut Steve and taken Vanessa if she won final HOH. That alone speaks poorly to her as a player as well. Still way better than her twin mind you.
Austin and Liz are both too high on this, especialy Austin. No way does he merit being above Steve, that is ridiculous. At best (for Austin) they are roughly the same level of jury threat, and Steve actualy made the end (and won the game) while Austin came nowhere near. Also the only reason Vanessa did not ax Austin way sooner is she needed to keep Austin to keep Liz and Julia, especialy Liz, on her side, and she needed the 3 person floating alliance as a shield. And 4th is also too high for Liz. Yeah she made Final 2 but was never winning the game, and also benefited bigtime from Vanessa carrying her.
Austin above Steve is quite the choice
Austin was slightly better
@@auzzo7976 No he wasn't. He was at best only an equal jury threat, and got nowhere near making the end, while Steve made the end and won the game. And Vanessa cuts him way sooner if it wasn't for needing the Liz/Julia/Austin trio as a shield.
I like how none of us are confused by the placement of the twins, because we all know who was the better player
well yes it was julia
@@heretomakeitclear Naw, Liz atleast had a good shot to make the end, even though she was never winning the game. Julia both had no shot to reach the end as we saw, or win the game. And in the super unlikely event we got an all twins Final 2 Liz wins (although Julia is the only one of the entire Final 7 atleast probably that Liz beats).
@@cullerjones we’re talking about who was the better player. julia was the better player
@@heretomakeitclear buy in what way was she better? Comps, god no. Strategically, no. Socially, ehh not really.
@@heretomakeitclear Julia was a weak player. Liz is far better, and I don't even think Liz is great, but much better than her sister.
Steve should be 2nd. For me Steve and Vanessa are like really close, Vanessa's main strenght for me is how influental she was in the house. Other than that she wasnt really that good of a social player. Steve integrated a very good strategy in the house, his only main drawback is how much he touched the block but that was apart of his strategy being "Waste of an HOH to get rid off"
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Steve should be 2nd behind Vanessa
Steve should be 2nd place.
Liz is over-hated as a player
Maybe but she is in fact overranked on this list. 4th is too high for her. She was never winning the game as she had no winning Final 2 out of the entire Final 5 atleast.
This is exactly why Liz is underrated, The Twins ran the house plus Liz was a slight comp beast and one hell of a good player if anything Austin is too high and Julia is too low
@@Lukaz_Stxyz The twins ran the house you say, LOL! Vanessa ran the house, and the twins and almost everyone else followed her orders. Julia did nothing, she is overranked if anything. Liz is a way stronger player than Julia, but even for her 4th is probably a bit high.
Even the people in the jury house said Liz just followed Vanessa and Austin's orders all game. And I don't even think Austin even deserves to be as high as 2nd, but he still has to be higher than Liz. Liz would have been happy going to F2 with Austin, particularly if Julia was gone, and losing to her boyfriend. She was happy taking Vanessa to F2 and losing, rather than taking Steve who she might have stood a shot against. Steve atleast wasn't dumb enough to take Vanessa over Liz, the way Liz was going to be that dumb (she admits she would have cut Steve and taken Vanessa if she won final HOH. That alone speaks poorly to her as a player as well. Still way better than her twin mind you.
Austin and Liz are both too high on this, especialy Austin. No way does he merit being above Steve, that is ridiculous. At best (for Austin) they are roughly the same level of jury threat, and Steve actualy made the end (and won the game) while Austin came nowhere near. Also the only reason Vanessa did not ax Austin way sooner is she needed to keep Austin to keep Liz and Julia, especialy Liz, on her side, and she needed the 3 person floating alliance as a shield.
And 4th is also too high for Liz. Yeah she made Final 2 but was never winning the game, and also benefited bigtime from Vanessa carrying her.