Hellfire Conspiracy Exposed
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Does hellfire go out? What does the BIble say about an eternal burning hell? Is the Devil in charge of Hell? Is Hell burning right now? Find out in this biblical video.
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I feel in my heart that we do sleep in the Graves until judgment day and people will be consumed, burnt up in hell fire but 1. Jesus parable with the rich guy and Lazarus, says of Hades as being a conscious place of either torment or Abraham's side. 2. When Jesus said to the thief on the cross 'truly I say to you today you will be with me in paradise', 3. When Jesus said he would be in the heart of the earth for 3 days before resurrection and 4 the orthodox church believes Hades is a place of torment and they are the 1rst church who have not changed even till today the teachings of the first disciples as they received it.. Even the original language as they were written.. I'm confused and continually tormented mentally with this..
Yes Doug you have been exposed wearing 🐑 clothing but under it is a 🐺. (You go along with a false prophet Ellen G White and Jesus Christ (Yeshua) is not a 👼 angel matter fact Doug God tells us to never worship angels KJV . God bless all ❤️ 🤗
@Jake Smith You are so right and God bless you ❤️
@@sandyscuba6101 well when you die you will Not sleep in No grave. You will either go to heaven or you will die and go to Hell there's No gray period because that's Not possible for anyone to die and just go to the grave yard and thinking that your soul will just stay in your body while you are still in the grave yard because you wouldn't be dead if that happened because you will still be alive and you will still be feeling pain and you will Not be unconscious
@@caseyoliver4718 yeah I know this now for sure.. Everything I mentioned above plus the spiritual realm is real and we are body and spirit.. And Satanists can astral project so the spirit does depart the dead body.. I know most my loved ones are in heaven now.. ❤️ God bless you
Amazes me how many people comment on this subject and yet CLEARLY did NOT watch the entire thing....you can tell by their comments.
Exactly
True
I have struggled with the concept of "hell", as it was being taught to me, for 35 years! I have had many discussions with God about this subject. Through the years I have rebelled and turned from God a few times, specifically because of what I had been taught about "hell". I could not reconcile the God of Scripture with "eternal conscious torment". For more than a decade now, I have been helping to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, give shelter to the homeless and clean water to the thirsty, but I've always stayed away from "evangelism". I had such a hard time presenting a message that I felt had such a foundational issue, the concept of eternal torment. I have now researched (and am still researching) conditional immortality and believe that it is the truth as revealed through Scripture. It is the most consistent and reconcilable message. I now am making plans to begin my journey of evangelism and its become very clear to me what my main hesitations were until now.... before I felt as though I would be preaching a message of "fear" and now I know that I will be preaching a message of "Love" and God is Love!
1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Blessings to All
Are you saying you don’t believe in eternal conscious torment?
I 100% concur with you. I have been a Christian for almost 40 years and am pastoring a small church. I am like you - I evangelized heaps and I struggled with ECT and now I am studying CI. Once I was street preaching about 20 yrs ago and it was probably an SDA person who literally accosted me about hell and the injustice of God burning someone for eternity. I was so impacted that I re-studied 'aionios' meaning, etc etc but I still erred on the side of ECT as I felt there was more weight of scripture in that argument then, however, now I am conceding to CI as the case is looking pretty rock solid to be honest. It's actually a no-brainer when you read all the verses associated. I am older now and way more deft at interpreting scripture and this is one more 'watershed' moment for me in my pursuit of true doctrine. I have been here before and I know when one side of the argument is on real slippery slope and the other is giving me so much more traction. Wow! God bless you too my brother for all you do. I should have gone by my instincts way earlier than this and re-looked at this more properly. So many doctrines are more based on tradition than scripture. I love the word of God and God is so gracious but many doctrines have been perverted that have impugned his grace, mercy, love and justice that it is no wonder many are disillusioned by what many churches erroneously teach. This doctrine impacts so many other truths of scripture. It's going to take a long time to change things but I know it will be worth it.
This is an outstanding explanation of how people needn’t think badly of Jehovah God. When I finally read the Bible for myself and realized these same truths, I was finally able to give up my dread of God, and my thinking that He was just waiting for me to screw up and be sent to everlasting torment, which always seemed unjust.
Doug has presented a revelation with so many Biblical, historical and scientifically researched proof. He is not saying that there is no hell for tormenting sinners. He is simply saying that the JUST God will subject sinners to various degrees and length of torment before they ultimately "PERISH", "consume away" , "die" etc accoding to his word and nature. The only issue that cedibly counter this view is the reference to torment "for ever and ever" as in Rev 9:10 - KJV. But the issue of mistranlation of this term settles it. If we believe that the Greek word that was translated to "ever and ever" actually means an indefinite period then let us accept that we have been misleading the whole world ignorantly and call a spade a spade. Good people will still worship God for the love of God and the benefits of eternal life with the Lord of Lord, not for the fear of eternal torment.
Praise God...Coming to the conclusion that hell isn't a place of eternal torment for any and every sinner no matter what the sin, didn't make me want to say YAY that means I can sin and not worry about hell..It makes me want to serve God even more tor His TRUE character and His REAL LOVE...The other view of eternal torment is insane on so many levels. worshiping God out of fear is a false worship..our GOD is not false..So He would never want someone to worship Him for any other reason than Love for Him as a wonderful merciful compassionate GOD rather than one that if you don't worship Him he will burn you FOREVER... I am praying more people come to understand that this eternal torment for one sin is a LIE FROM SATAN...
pablo picasso God does not send us to hell for one sin. For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. But when a person continues in sin then there is a problem. 1 John 3:8 says, "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil."
So if the Son of God came to destroy the works of the devil, why should we continue to sin?
From a man, who was granted "A second-chance" of LIFE by our LORD--->Jesus "The Christ" . . . and COMMANDED by our LORD: "NOT TO JUDGE"!! (This was directed at me!!), I was in a 3-day coma. After 5-days (when I recongized people??)
I was TOLD by my loved-ones: "You were in a coma for 3-days . . . I told them, "Baloney" !! (or something like that???) I "assumed" that knew what a 3-day period of time was!!!! I was WRONG!! In the "Spiritual realm" their is no TIME as we know it!! To prove it, When I was in HEAVEN . . . I didn't see any clocks or anybody wearing watches! But then again, there ALWAYS . . . one! PRAISE BE TO OUR FATHER, SON (SAVIOR-JESUS), AND TO THE HOLY SPIRIT. (TRUE STORY)
Chris Chukwu
False teaching , plain and simple
Thessalonians 1:8-9King James Version (KJV)
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
thats not what everlasting means in greek in greek it means until consumed or destroyed
Excellent study. I needed the confirmation that God is not a sadist, but my understanding of the scriptures quoted, were taking over and added to my confusion. Yet, an overwhelming belief that God is Love prevented me to belief those scriptures. Consequently I was tortured between accusing God or disbelieving His word. Now I am relieved and found peace within myself. The moment I heard that the parable of Lazarus will be addressed in another sermon, I searched it on UA-cam and found many which I will no doubt watch, as this parable was the only obstacle which could have dismissed these wonderful and so enlightening explanations. But I am sure that a good answer and study of the parable will help me to once for all close this fear of hell and the trauma I went through thinking about the suffering of even the wicked. I panicked as I imagined them pleading, but God would not hear, would actually enjoy almost his revenge on them forever and forever. THANK YOU FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL VIDEO.
Good morning pastor Doug and your Ministry... blessed is my day yesterday we had a talk over that topic its clear now to me.....
Can someone answer this... If people are burning in Hell right now, then what is the point of judgement day???? Judgement day is pointless if people are in heaven and hell currently.
amen,blessings brother Doug.Thank you for taking the time to explain these very important questions,the world need to hear this,hell is real.
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It's about time someone addressed this problem. People ignore a hundred verses that say "destruction", "perish", "no more" and the like, in favor of one of or two that say "eternal torment".
An even better question to ask "mainstream" Christians: "Why do you want hell to be real?"
Revelation says The Satan, the false prophet and all unsaved people will be cast alive into the lake of fire which is the the second death. No rest day or night . Their worm dieth not . The smoke of their TORMENT ascends forever AND ever . ( You have to be conscious to feel pain). Revelation supercedes because it's the final event.
Many Christians do not know what they read aproducts of tradition and the church and that's a fact the Bible doesn't speak about people being tormented forever yes it does speak about torment but it doesn't say that they will be burned eternally to understand eternal fire go to the Old testament we are given an example of eternal fire Sodom and Gommorrah, you don't take one verse in Revelations and build doctrine from it when it clearly contradicts the rest of the Bible when it comes to the subject of the lost and their punishment see that's the problem with most Christians, Satan has been blindfolded and deceived MANY "thou shalt not surely die" products of tradition don't want to hear the truth that's why they make their way to videos like this and comment, no no you're wrong but yet in spite of that you can show them hundreds of scriptures which tell you that the Lost don't have eternal life and they are burned up consumed will be no more but they're so deceived and blindfolded there's no persuading them , some will come to know the truth and have,but others will remain stubborn and ignorant
@@janetdavidson8798 If your interpretation requires you to have one part of scripture superseding another, then you're doing it wrong.
its about Time you did a whole hour on UA-cam as i had the phone talk with you guys as a ministry you can do that. Hope media and other SDA have done that i am glad your doing that thanks.
Thank you so much for this. I took notes of the entire sermon and will be referring all my friends and everyone I can to this. Pastor Batchelor is the rare pastors who actually seem very sincere in their labor for their Lord, may God richly bless his family!
This reminds me when I gave my life to Christ, I had no idea about these Bible truths. Then I came across pastor Doug Batchelor, & I believe with all my heart the Lord lead me to him, & hearing the truth on hell for the 1st time made me love Jesus so much more, knowing He doesnt burn ppl for ever & ever (which btw kept me away from wanting anything to do with God, b/c I would think, what kind of god burns ppl for ever!) ty pastor Batchelor for leading me to Gods true church, the SDA movement.
I recommend any one feeling confused about "Hell" watch this. Could prove very liberating.
and ultimately deceptive catered for cowards
@@vincec3773 are you sure you haven't been deceived by a lie invented by the clergy in the dark ages to make more revenue...?
@@kirkjohnson2924 Which stuns me why people would accuse Adventists a cult. Isn't a cult a group that intentionally deceives other into joining? Interesting how churches preach that if you don't accept the word of God, you will end up suffering eternally. Funny how that works
Sure could, to ALL who are ordained to the condemnation of HELL!
Having reached the end of the video, there are certainly some interesting thoughts and ideas. . .
The Bible says hellfire will not be quenched and their worm does not die..
This is biblically correct! How many times did I encounter atheists who turned their backs on God, just because of this demonic doctrine of eternal hellfire. It is almost impossible to convince a rational thinking person, that God is love, when there is this evil concept, that an all loving and merciful God will punish unbelievers for all eternity in his torture chamber called hell.
Thank you pastor Doug for this liberating message. As Christians we must uphold Gods character with Bible truth!
I am also sick of modern day pharisees slandering God's Character and potency! Yet I used to believe and preach the same shit!
Gods character is important regardless of what extreme people believe because it’s Satan who is the Sadist and deserve torture
@ptsd1696 obviously I don't believe that anymore
@ptsd1696 currently reading 'Grace Saves All ' by David Artman.
This man is a LIAR
I really want to believe this. I hope it's true. I myself for about 2 months have been having on and off depression stages thinking about hell and it's been making me upset with God. My dad has dementia and is 69. I think what if he goes to hell. If I could believe in annihilation it would be so comforting and make me happy. Pray for me
My friend be at peace. Hell does not exist and no one will be annihilated. If Christ fails to save one person or devil then he himself is a liar and sinner. The Messiah is no liar or sinner. He is the Savior of the World. The Torah could not be changed. Every Holy prophet declared the universal reconciliation of ALL things.
Eternal conscious torment in hell is completely unbiblical. Scripture is very clear on this matter. The “traditional” view of hell came late in Christianity, based upon Gentile converts incorporating Greek Platonic thoughts about the immortality of the soul, which is completely foreign and thoroughly refuted throughout Scripture. The word “hell” as traditionally defined appears nowhere in Scripture. Of the four words translated as “hell,” two refer only to the grave, another is an actual place Jesus used when speaking to Jews in Jerusalem who knew it, and the only other is never used related to the fate of the unsaved. Neither Paul nor any other epistle author ever once warns nor mentions of hell to anyone at any time. In Acts, no one is ever warned that rejecting the Gospel would lead to eternal conscious torment. It is never mentioned once to anyone at any time, which is inexplicable is the “traditional” view is accurate. “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” (Romans 6:23). What does John 3:16 state that the option are? Everlasting life, or perish. How perish can be defined as to not perish, but maintain an everlasting but tormented existence. Jesus paid the price for sin by dying, and in rising again became the first fruits of the promised inheritance, eternal life.
Oh really you don't think that exists 🤔 well and you said that there's No Hell. Well guess what there is rather you believe it or Not and you call yourself a Christian so I'm assuming that you believe in God and the Lord Jesus Christ but you don't believe in Hell. That doesn't make No sense for one thing and what do you think the reason why that the Lord Jesus Christ went to that cross to save us from boy you are a imbecile and you ain't No Christian at all No Not at all because you said you don't believe in Hell well I hate to tell you this but there is and you are still going there if you don't change
@@TheBenevolentDictatorship well unfortunately there is a Hell and the Bible does say that and Jesus talks about that many times you just want to ease your conscience and make yourself feel comfortable in your own understanding and in your own beliefs BUT THERE IS A HELL AND ITS REAL AND YOU WOULD BE STUPID NOT TO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS NO HELL.
@@caseyoliver4718
Eternal conscious torment is a lie from Satan. The wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus. Scripture is clear that the lost will be completely and ultimately destroyed. Eternal Hell is a Roman Catholic invention because they incorporated the pagan immortality of the soul doctrine and so needed a place to put immortal souls. But Scripture is clear that God alone has immortality and that it is a gift for those in Christ, not something which we already possess. Fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in Hell. When Adam and Eve sinned, what was the consequence of their sin? Eternal Hell? No, they literally died instead of living forever with God. The tree of life was guarded specifically so that they would NOT become immortal. Neither Paul nor any other apostles ever once mentions nor warns of eternal conscious torment to anyone at any time. In Acts, many have the Gospel shared and yet no one at any time is ever warned of eternal conscious torment. John 3:16 clearly shows the choices are everlastingly life in Christ, or death in sin, not everlasting life in Heaven or Hell. Over 100 Scriptures speak of the final destruction of the wicked and unrepentant-shall be no more forever; as if they never were; be as ash, as stubble, vanish, perish, be consumed; be as wax before the flame; consume away; be destroyed; suffer the punishment of everlasting *destruction* The road is narrow and the way hard which leads to life, and few find it; the road is wide and the way easy, and many are who find it, the path which leads to destruction, etc. It was Satan who told the original lie: “You shall surely not die…” and here you are believing Satan over God who said “The soul that sins shall die.” The idea of eternal conscious torment in Hell was foreign to Jews of the 1st century, and it was completely foreign to Jesus. The word “Hell,” as traditionally defined appears not even once in all of Scripture. The words translated as “Hell” “Sheol,” and “Hades” are merely the grave. “Gehenna” is used by Jesus only when speaking to Jews in or around Jerusalem because it was an actual place where garbage was burned, including dead bodies. “Where their worm does not die and their fire is not quenched…” is in quotes because Jesus is quoting Isaiah, a picture of total destruction, not conscious torment. The only other word translated as “Hell” is “Tartarus,” which os only used twice and never in reference to the judgement. You can choose to believe the traditions of men and the original lie of the serpent, but I’ll choose to believe what the Scriptures teach clearly.
Very interesting view. Although this remain highly debatable among Christians but this point is very substantial. Im not an adventist but I love this particular topic an the explanation provided.
Blessed be the Name of our Lord
Praise God for revealing His Truth and for those that receive it.
Thank God there is no constant hellfire . thank god for this message :)
Correct 💯 but yeah there's so many churches that still teach there is
And as a result they turned many people away from God they make him out to be a sadist but one one studies the scriptures thoroughly they find out the true character of God man has done nothing but malign his character many Christian denomination still do till this day it's a sad reality
@@Hulkmosher because the Bible teaches it in Revelation. Don't take a man's for it. Read Revelation. It supercedes cause it's the final event.
@@Hulkmosher Revelation says Satan, the false prophet and all unsaved people will be cast alive into the lake of fire which is the second death. No rest day or night
Their worm dieth not . The smoke of their TORMENT ascends forever AND ever . ( You have to be conscious to feel pain). Revelation supercedes because it's the final event .
@@janetdavidson8798 it's clear to me you don't understand what you're reading,and that you don't listen,I told you revelations uses a lot of symbolism ,PAY ATTENTION
Daniel 12:2-And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
I hope you realise a proper and literal translation of the bible does not have everlasting or eternal punishment.
But by your comment you don't.
The bible both in the old and new testament deals with age/eon lasting punishment and to the Greek and Hebrew people at the time was a period of time.
It could be long or short.
This doesn't mean their is no eternal life according to the bible but that comes after Eonian life and Eonian chastisment.
To know what I'm talking about get the concordant literal translation new testament.
According to it God is also a part of the eons as well and the eons does not limit God.
Fyi I use to study in this stuff .
While it's true I no longer believe in God i know what I'm talking about.
Thank you for the video
good teaching on Conditional Immortality.
people, you gotta keep in mind that in order for one to be eternally tormented for all eternity, you have to have one of three things happen:
1.) the soul of every human is naturally or inherently immortal (which contradicts 1 Timothy 6:13-16, Romans 2:7, Ephesians 2:8)
2.) the wicked receive the the gift of eternal life (which contradicts Romans 6:23, Ephesians 2:8, 1 John 5:12, John 3:16)
3.) the lake of fire both burns and heals the wicked (which no scripture of any kind in the entire Bible can be found to support anything like this)
the wicked do not receive the gift of God, which is eternal life... the only way one receives immortality is through Jesus Christ. if you dont have the Son, you dont have life (1 John 5:12).
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
it says the wages of sin is death... it never says, and nowhere in all of scripture does it ever say the wages of sin is eternal life in the lake of fire.
it doesnt get any more simpler than that.
Thank you Reverend for this amazing video. I have been enlightened greatly by your work here! I pray that my fellow man (and woman) will also come across this video after I share it on my Facebook page!
May God the father and the lord Jesus bless your time on earth as it will be in heaven!
2 Peter 2:4-6
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a herald of righteousness, with seven others, when he brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ASHES he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
For one hell is a mistranslation their it's using the Greek word tartarus and it's simply a prision.
Seems to make sense chain's being bound in a prision because they are imprisoned.
Also think for abit fire creats light and it says their in darkness right ?
Furthermore the new testament may use word's from Greek mythology but these word's have usages outside of Greek mythology.
In short just because the Greek new testament has word's from Greek mythology doesn't mean the new testament uses the same meaning.
Thank You!! Amen
What a great message!
Love his teachings thanks for posting this for clarity to those who seek understanding. Faith is the beginning of our belief not the end, ask seek knock! #off to study
man...this is a new perspective for me and TBH this makes far more sense with scripture that backs it up.
Great presentation
The consequence of sin is eternal. Not eternal torment in hell.
I think this pastor has interpreted the Bible so well and delivered the truth contained therein. He has mixed the teaching with reality and the nature of our LOVING GOD. I wish many more people gets this teaching.
The concept of people burning in hell right now, people going to hell or heaven immediately and burning indefinitely for ages without losing senses is taught in over 95% of Christian churches. The whole confusion comes from the interpretation of the scriptures on " Rich man and Lazarus, plus "Jesus promise to the repentant thief" plus other teachings whose source you cannot exactly authenticate.
I wish many more pastors like this one come up and hold programmes like this to air this truth.
The truth of matter is, many people backslide and go back to sinful ways when the nature of God is misrepresented to be sadistic. Reason: they wonder why God would even create them in the first place, put them in a world of temptations, and with all His might and power, allow them to burn forever as the righteous glorify him. Is God's nature to inflict pain, despair and regrets indufinely, in the name of punishing? What can He gain by so doing? Personally, I believe the loving father cannot purpose before hand to do such a thing.
I think it's satan's making for people to believe he is in charge of hell and torturing people day and night, even the first man to die, Cain, but without Satan himself and the torturers getting burnt.
This depicts God as unable to control Satan, and even giving Satan power of human beings, even after becoming enemy with God. This particular belief has seen people go into devil worship: belief that he can overpower God, he is in charge and that he owns and can control the destinies of men.
Pastors, you have a great task ahead of you, to study the Bible and deliver to believers the intended message rather than what your doctrine teaches, or what situation you would like to favour.
Malachi 4:1-3
The Great Day of the Lord
4:1 “For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch. 2 But for you who fear my name, the sun of righteousness shall rise with healing in its wings. You shall go out leaping like calves from the stall. 3 And you shall tread down the wicked, for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet, on the day when I act, says the Lord of hosts.
+heidi Rehm
Heidi, how dare you show the subscribers, preachers and teachers of eternal burning in hell fire the truth in the word of God by the mouth of his prophets concerning the punishment of the wicked? Do you not see that it reveals the doctrinal errors and exposes the heresies of those which support the unbiblical, pagan versions of eternal burning in hellfire?
Well done Heidi! ;-)
+OEFVET Said no bible figure.
the Lake of Fire is an ETERNAL punishment (Matthew 25:41,46, Rev 14:9-11
#166 = everlasting, eternal, never ending, perpetual....) because it is for people that have rejected the Gift of ETERNAL GOD. so think about this:
"Jesus" was once part of Elohim (Creators, plural, Gen 1:26, Col 1:15-17).
"Jesus" made the ultimate "Agape Love" sacrifice and EMPTIED himself of his eternal, almighty, glorious GODhood and was made/created a Man (Phil 2:6-7), so that he could be the Kinsman Redeemer for Mankind by being perfectly obedient as a Man (Romans 5:15-21). Jesus was zero % GOD at his birth.
so what should be the punishment of someone that has rejected this Gift of GOD giving up his ETERNAL Godhood so that we could be spiritually RE-connected back to GOD who is Spirit? thats right, ETERNAL punishment.
joeforHistruth actually.. your doctrine didn't really become popular until only like 1700 years ago.. it was not the original teaching
bible figures spoke of the wages of sin being Death and Destruction many times..
it should be "said no mainstream pastor since the 3rd century"
@@victorcrowne8257 you need to go to the Greek and Hebrew. Eternal torment would mean even the wicked has eternal life.
Well said!
Doug Batchelor make joining SDA attractive. But more amazing is that Doug is very wise in dividing the Word of God 👍👍👍
JESUS I LOVE YOU !
this is such an excellent truth.
All of you will be blessed. God bless you all.
Thank God for revealing His truth.
I'm not a SDA but I agree with the position put forth in this video. I used to believe in ECT (eternal conscious torment) but it's simply not what the scriptures teach. Humans do not inherently have an "immortal soul" that is "gonna spend somewhere forever" like I used to teach and like traditionalists teach. The Bible nowhere teaches you have an "immortal soul". There is not one single verse in the Hebrew, Greek, or the English translations of the the words for soul that says the "soul" is immortal. Look them up for yourself. In the KJV, the words Nephesh and Psuche are translated about 44 different ways, totaling 859 words and that includes the word soul of course. Look them up in a concordance like Strongs and find one single time that it says that the soul is immortal. I challenge you. The only people who get immortality receive it as a gift form God at the resurrection (See 1 Cor. 15) and that is not "just their body". The rest (the unsaved) are destroyed. Look up the all the verses for yourself and get off youtube just spouting traditionalist, scripture-twisting pagan heresies like inherent immortality of humans. The Bible has a way of revealing truth...if you want truth. Be a Berean and study for yourselves from the BIBLE.
meant to type "NOT" one single time in line 9 above. Meant to type NOT one single time is the Hebrew or Greek words say the soul is immortal.
"G. T. M". But, I have a "PROBLEM" understanding what you, PRINT or What you MEAN to PRINT! I have a A.B.I. ??----> (ACQUIRED BRAIN INJURY) from a near fatal accident. I was given by OUR LORD, Jesus the Christ", a second chance at life! So I became "A Berean" in Spirit. I have read the WORD, from cover to cover, MANY TIMES!!!!!!!!!!! But it does not take a "CHILD" to understand the MEANINGS of GOD'S WORDS; it TAKES the FAITH of a "CHILD"!
2Tim. 1:10: "but it has now been revealed thru the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel".
Ro. 2:7: "To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life".
iCor. 15:53-54: "For the perishable, must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. (54) "when the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable and the mortal with immortality . . ."
The PROBLEM, I believe (??) is YOUR "Mental State of THINKING"! The WORDS can have two meanings! But the HOLY SPIRIT DEFINES THE "TRUE MEANINGS"---JUST ASK!
Ecclesiastes 3:11 "for God has set eternity in the heart of man".
Not true. READ the word. It’s there. Hell is real and eternal
...the beast and the false prophet are there, and the smoke of their torment acsendeth FOREVER....
this exact same thing is something that's been in my head and on my heart lately. I'm so glad I stumbled on this video. talk about confirmation! I don't claim any denomination as being "the right one". Teaching is either in line with scripture or it's not. This particular teaching is definitely in line even though I disagree with a lot of seventh day adventistism. Excellent video!
Thank You Jesus, help me to accept you, so I don't have to suffer for my own sins. You have given us your word that we may not be lead astray and be part of the eternal death. Your word says it and thats you speaking to me today. I praise you!
Love you so pastor Doug bachelor thank you so much for the truth of the Bible
If you haven't been indoctrinated already..Use logic which God gave you but most ignore..Doug knows his stuff & he is correct.
Yes he does
Thank you for spreading this. Eternal torment is a lie of Satan and many evangelical churches
Yeah, it would seem that ALL the evangelicals will leave their congregations and flock to SDA, specifically to DougBachelor, BUT just as many might just decide to stop flockin at all since ETERNAL HELL parallels ETERNAL HEAVEN.
IF WE allow a preacher to redefine HELL as temporary, we default that HEAVEN to is TEMPORARY!
HERESY!
Wake Up people!
Sure is and they're just perpetuating the LIE of the devil and saying that you don't surely die that you have this immortal soul which continues on to live
Good comments- I agree with you. Thanks for the offer, but I wont take you up on it because have rejected all self-limiting beliefs... rejecting all this stuff got rid of a lot of self-limiting beliefs all at once. For once in my life I am truly free to enjoy life and have the abundant life that my creator intended.
Have a wonderful day!
Matt. 25:46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Thanks. I have been wanting help on explaining this to my friends. Its unbelievable that grown men get behind the pulpit and teach the fairy tale of people burning in a hellfire forever. Sadly though, I have many friends who have spent their lives believing in hellfire. I have tried to explain that it's just a stupid teaching. Of course, that didn't get me anywhere. I will try to get them to watch your video, but if not, I guess I'm going to have to learn all that you say.Why is it so important to me? I do not appreciate my heavenly Father being portrayed in this light. Thanks again.
Yes they make God out to be a sadist worse than any criminal in history , malign his character and spread their deceitful lies makes you wonder who they really follow
AmazingLies
Amen!
Well can you come up with a hour video proving why without contradiction to the bible and also using the orginal meanings of old words why you say that just interested.
Hellfire is a lie
Thanks for sharing this with us. I was hoping to hear about "their worm dieth not" but didn't. did I miss it. can you tell me where to find the answer.
It’s Jesus quoting Isaiah 66:24, a picture of total destruction, not conscious torment. That’s why it’s in quotes, because Jesus is quoting a Scripture of annihilation
thx you.clear and biblical!
I for one cannot accept this - that a God of unconditional love would be so cruel as to create hell to punish his own creation FOREVER and ever. Any human who tortures other humans would be labelled 'inhuman'.
+Allan Tan should I assume this means you are commenting without first having listened to Doug Batchelor has to say?
+Allan Tan even the worst human will be received as long as they *truly* have a change of heart and mind and actually do the work. the work is: REPENT! CONFESS! SEEK CHRIST!
if even a murderer does that they will be saved.
say somebody steals your car (your actual motor vehicle, not your body) and it caused you all sorts of problems. if you do not forgive, you're the one who is wrong. the thief would be better than you if that thief did right in their heart and mind (turn from sin, repent, confess, and seek christ).
in the simplest language, you can do any sin to anyone. it's permissible, so long as you do the work. but there's a time limit. there's a time when it's too late to do the work, too late to repent. that person will be condemned and will die in their sin.
when a victim wants justice the only response from god will be: forgive.
it's rather sick when you apply it to the real world and the day to day life.
+Elijah Wood He is just a man taking abt his beliefs.
+mindnumber9 we will arguing forever.
ALL people are "just a man talking about their beliefs" but you can't criticise what someone has to say without first listening to what they ARE saying
Pastor Doug is a Seventh Day Adventist Pastor. They teach Exactly what the Bible says. But so many trusts their pastors willing to lose their salvation . Instead of checking the whole bible for the truth. Seventh Day Pastors teach to read the bible for yourselves. That they are only human. If you love God read His word.
+Peter Rappit
And this is coming from you who are either an expert as a cult follower or a cult leader.
I notice that you post no evidence for your claims on things that you comment on, then post an emoticon like it's alright.
Mikkel Lowe so the cult requirements for rappit's denomination is: Disagree with the eternal punishment in hell/doom and gloom doctrine, or any other doctrine straight outta the pages of the book of the Nicolaitans.
Robt Clayton
"Adventist preach that every time there's a house fire and a gold fish burns up in a fish tank, the gold fish is thrown in into EVERLASTING FIRE Because tbe good fish were annihilated , ADVENTISTS ARE SO ENLIGHTENED!!"
My church preaches no such thing. We don't believe death is the end, so your argument falls apart there.
We believe that when Jesus comes the third time to earth with New Jerusalem to make the world anew, the dead would be raised up in the resurrection of damnation (John 5:28; Revelation 20). There, the devil and the wicked will be punished with eternal death, as stated in Romans 6:23. This whole explanation concerning to "exist" in eternal punishment is erroneous and against what the Bible plainly teaches.
+Robt Clayton No, the gold isn't. We do not preah this.
Mr bachelor u explained you sermon as the best it could be I was raised pentecostal the truth was so comforting God bless not a lot of difference in church of God and seventh day we both keep the forth commandent the sabbath
It seems more plausible that since we know God is all loving that he/she would go over our lives with us then tell us if we did well enough or not then sent us back here to this place to keep growing if we haven't grown enough. I think some of us here call it a soul progression, and it makes sense. God's basically saying keep growing kiddo, I love you!
Thanks to pastor Doug for his clear and concise exposition on the subject of hell.
The rich man and Lazarus was a beautiful parable that became a living lesson study for the Jewish leaders at the time Jesus Christ walked the earth.
Not long after telling the parable Jesus raise Lazarus from the dead.
Did he complain about being brought back to earth from heaven? NO!
Did he thank Jesus from bringing him out of hell? NO!
Why because the Bible is clear.
KJV Ecclesiastes 9:5 - 6
5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
The reason why Lazarus had nothing to say was because he was sleeping in death to be awaken at the second coming of Jesus Christ.
KJV Psalm 6:5
5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Don Ward Absolutely right Don. In fact, if you take into account all the resurrections in the Bible, not a single one of them ever had anything to say about a heaven or hell. They were silent. Why? Because as you quoted, they were asleep in death. Just as Jesus said "Lazarus sleeps..." But then he had to make it plain for his disciples because they thought He was talking of natural sleep, so Jesus told them "Lazarus is dead." John 11:11, 14.
Thanks for your words of affirmation.
Robert Chance Thanks for your words of affirmation.
You are welcome Don. But that's not to say that there aren't some in heaven, but the general resurrection hasn't taken place yet.
For example we know Enoch and Elijah were taken to heaven without seeing death. Moses was resurrected and taken to heaven. And there were many who were resurrected the same time as Jesus. Matt 27:52, 53.
It is presumed by some that these were a sort of wave offering and were taken up to heaven as a first fruits and some of them became the 24 elders around the throne we read about in Revelation 4. There is a scripture that refers to these elders as men.
But the overall resurrection will not take place till the Second Coming of Christ. Even Martha ,Lazarus' sister knew this as she said, "I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day." John 11:24. Not sure where some people get their theology of a secret resurrection or rapture before the Second Coming.
The judgment won't be complete until the last day. Scripture tells us that time and time again. John 12:48; John 6:39, 40, 44, 54.
How could God rightly decide who goes to heaven and who doesn't if the judgment hasn't taken place yet? First the judgment and then the resurrection. Until then, those who have died beforehand will remain asleep in their graves awaiting the resurrection.
"And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt." Daniel 12:2
"...the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." John 5:28, 29.
Notice John said "the hour IS coming". That means it hadn't happened at death but it is coming.
Robert Chance Your explanation of heaven and the children of God who will be among the resurrected ones is as I've read in the scriptures.
Im not a SDA but I believe he is telling the truth. I am a Christian and God's love for us, shown through His son; Jesus ..says He loves mankind too much to put him in a torture chamber for all eternity.....'there will be no more pain... No more sorrow..anywhere!. God loves sinners.... 'all have sinned' what a wonderful God we serve.. what a wonderful Creator. What a wonderful Savior. We will all rest assure our loved ones are not suffering...... this indeed Biblical. To believe all are eventually in Heaven is not. There is a judgement.
quote from the scriptures for added credibility
No, you go look
Tramon, the wages of sin are death...
@@petewalsh764 yes this born experience die I've been in heaven long ago i got a vague memory back of it this life
@@TramonWalker And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28 (KJV)
I think this entire debate about the false doctrine being taught about hell can be solved by this verse from Mark chapter 9, where Jesus says, "If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed, rather than having two hands, to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched". To teach that hell is only where a soul dies is to tell an atheist, "you're kinda right, your soul doesn't last forever, so you have nothing to worry about."
Remember that there cannot be just one verse to prove a doctrine. Hell is translated in that verse as the burning place called Geenna in Greek, which is the place of burning. They throw away all their trash there to be burnt. We must always compare scripture with scripture so we do not have our own interpretation mixed in it.
The verse says ...enter into LIFE'. That means the other alternative is no life aka DEATH. That is very clear to me. Do you see it?
Truth is nice to hear, great video. God bless
I am so sick of these preachers that act all wise and twist the word of God. The truth is hidden from the wise and revealed to the meek and humble.
Twisting the word of God or revealing the truth and what you're not used to
Which part did he twist? He references every Bible verse he talks on, in context. Time to get in your Bible.
Also, please look up scholar David In stone Brewer. He proves that the Greek words translated as eternal punisment/torment back in jesus day was connected to the qaumron idea of punishment followed by extinction, not eternal torment. This is what his audience would of understood.
Interesting that the people who believe this: "the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone" (Rev. 21:8), also preach that we are NOT under the Law.
The purpose of the law, is to show the Jews and mankind for that matter that we are unable to save ourselves by meating God's standards. We are ALL wicked rotton sinners deserving of eternal separation from Him. YET, in His mercy, He gave us a way out...hope. That hope is found in jesus alone.
mccartherable Friend, where in the Bible can I find more on this "eternal separation"? I like how that sounds, it tickles my ears ever so slightly.
nccartherable, www.bible-study-lessons.com/Hell-2.html
If we are such"wicked" sinners per se, why do people insist upon multiplying a fallen race ?
Thank you Pastor Doug for the truth you preach from the Bible. May God bless you Pastor and your family and may He keeps you healthy. I believe there's another way to look at this topic about Hell in order to persuade our Baptist brothers and sisters that they are believing a wrong teaching that is not in the Bible. You see, I clearly see in the Bible that the wicked will be burned up like the impurities coming off from the pure gold or silver. The pure gold and silver are left in the 🔥 fire forever. God is a living fire that can never be extinguish. Those who will live with Him will be purified like gold and silver. Only those who are disobedient will be destroyed; and eradicated from the presence of the universe and the righteous will live in the presence of the Living Fire forever and ever.
Most churches are perpetuating the LIE of Satan
If hell isn't going on now, Jesus spoke of the rich man in the present tense.
So all Millions of NDE experiences in the world is not true :( I dont kbow now what to believe. I hope God would help me
@@kirkjohnson2924 i already known amazing facts. But thanks
@@miakayuki1068 ok cool. See you in heaven by God's Grace 🙏🙏 🙏
I have watched a lot of ndes as well and thought I had it figured out but I also want to make sure I don't accept experience over God's word so let's continue to pray that God will show us the truth
There is ETERNAL TORMENT in the lake of fire, not in hades/hell that Jesus mentioned in Luke 16:19-31. Thats temporal until that will be thrown into the lake of fire at the end.
There is an intermendiate state between death and resurrection on the last day, that leaves room for ghosts and NDEs and so on... if NDEs are true then many non-christians also go to the light, which I honestly would have no problem with, as I do believe Jesus can reconcile all things to him. But again, the anniholation perspective does not rule out NDEs
Some see this sermon as a way to give sinners comfort but to my view the servant of God wanted to bring light in view of God as merciful God. Because God cannot be said to merciful and yet he casts sinners into an endless flames of fire. According to this sermon it proves God is not a vicious God. He cannot stand watching sinners cry forever in flames of fire.
Thank you
Amen.
What anyone thinks about the doctrine of Hell is completely irrelevant- opinion is not a factor. The Bible is the final authority, the word of God, and it describes Hell very clearly. Hell is a real place of fire and brimstone, it is an everlasting place of weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth, smoke, darkness and torment. Jesus was not a liar, the book says what it says..
Matthew 25:41 KJV
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
kcuf7 - amen. Very true and very sad reality of today.
Lots of preachers try to air condition hell these days- it’s because thats where they are going.
kcuf7 exactly. Completely agree
kcuf7 very true, we just need to keep fighting the good fight!
2 Timothy 2:4 KJV
No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
Yeah, because I would definitely want to serve a God that sends me to eternal suffering because I chose to act on the very idea He created of free will. In fact, I cant believe you would want to serve a God like that. Fortunately for me, I serve a God that is merciful and died for my sins, not a God that would cast me to a ungodly place
@kcuf7
No one who does not love the TRUTH will believe God/his word/Word.
both Revelation 14:11 and Revelation 20:10 gets its imagery from Isaiah 34:8-10... these verses in Isaiah do not convey the imagery of eternal conscious torment.
Because your Isaiah ref. applies to death inside the time continuem!
Eternity does not! God is ETERNITY! UNforgiven Sin is ETERNAL, Heaven is ETERNAL, Hell is ETERNAL!
WakeUp!
Gordian Not
You just said it. God IS eternity. Just like God is an all consuming Fire.
How can one be tormented for eternity when eternity itself has no beginning or end? It’s times less. Judgement has a beginning and an end so how can one enter and START an eternity when it has no start to begin with?
@@bouquetoffood8918 no
Jesus said, "Eternal hell fire" (Matt 25.41).
"God is a consuming fire" IS relative to sin! Hence the human must repent, believe and receive the gospel of JesusChrist and will thus BE Justified (in spirit)> Sanctified (in walk) > AND ultimately GLORIFIED (in body) before entering the eternal presence of God! GLORIFICATION is what enables the believer to stand in the presence of God. The UNREGENERATE sinner will burn eternally in hell, "Where the worm dieth not" (Mark 9:48).
[Jesus]
I am sorry, but time is winding up and I must have the testimony Jesus, not of man!
Shalom to you both~
@@bouquetoffood8918 "I am sorry, but time is winding up and I must have the testimony Jesus, not of man!"
This is such a lazy and pretentious take. Stop acting holier than thou. Give me 1 scripture that says all souls are immortal, ill give you a hint you wont find it eternal life is only granted to true followers of Christ John 3:16 & Romans 6:23. The irony is you are the one thats following the doctrine of man and not Jesus. Eternal HeII fire came from paganism and the Catholic Church used it to scare ppl from turning away the the RCC. Jesus never used the word heII. The word HeII that Jesus used comes from the word "geennan" which was a real place in Israel. Jesus used it as an analogy to show what heII was like nowhere does it say its forever in the original Greek. I urge you to study the original Greek and look at the words used for "forever", "ever", and "eternal" the first 2 never mean literally forever in English. It means for an age and set time. Aka their punishment. Not everyone will be in heII forever. Your preachers have deceived you. I dont think they did it on purpose but they dont understand the original Greek and dont care to study it. How come it took hundreds of years after Christ and almost 1 thousand for eternal heII to be the main doctrine? Ask yourself that. The KJV was written in 1600s btw and they were already indoctrinated with the forever heII idea. In Matthew 10:28 Jesus clearly says the body and soul will be destroyed in heII. That makes it very clear what happens in heII. In regards to the worm will not die go to heIItruth com (cant spell it out bc youtube will delete the comment) then go to their QnA section they go into great detail about their worm does not die. Or you can go to rethinkingheII website and find it there. This issue of heII is very important. Jesus stood for truth and he is TRUTH. Spreading a false doctrine as dangerous as this turns many away from Christ this doctrine has done more harm than good in regards to getting people to come to Christ.
Interestingly enough, these same scriptures are used in context in this and other videos and it also is explained how people like you take them out of context. Amazing.
Quite interested to hear thoughts on this view here and the one from Chuck Missler "What happens when you die?" found on youtube. Both men make very solid claims and both back up their teachings with scripture. I've been a Christian nearly all my life and have to agree this is rather confusing. Despite disputes I believe what out weights any of this is knowing God and accepting Jesus's gift of life. Thanks for any input.
+Wood N Wheel Thx for the reply WnW...what Doug says has really stuck with me and just makes more 'sense' if you will...and agreeing with john3:16 the "perish" term to me would seem to lean toward the notion of a final end to any form of life. let me know if you have any more thoughts toward this. peace.
I wouldn't be listening to Chuck missler
Lake of Fire annihilation is also unmerciful!
terceldude the mercy is in that it does end.
I agree with Doug on this subject, even though I used to believe the traditionalist view however after reading the bible through 4 times, the book the fire that consumes and listened to Doug I am Convinced I was wrong, so I change my view to the annihilatiolnist view point. Did you know there are litteraly tons of passages that preach annihilation. Ya tons of them, Ezekiel 28 talks about satan being reduced to ash and being destroyed, so does Malachi 4:1-3.
You have just been deceived by Doug. Hell is real and people are there now after judgment, they will be cast into the lake of fire. Read your bible again. God bless you
Eusebius Ndikum
Be cautious when you tell someone there deceived cause you yourself could be deceived to Jesus says you hypocrite first pull out a staff that is in your eyes then you will clearly see the suspect it is in your brother's eye even Paul said while I preach to others I could be a cast away may God truly bless us all
Eusebius Ndikum dude, they don't go from Fire #1 to Fire #2. There is only 1 Fire the lake of fire. The other "hell" is the grave.
spoke777 better read that bible a fifth time instead of listening to Doug ! Hell is a real fiery literal place forever poured out on sinners forever
Thessalonians 1:8-9King James Version (KJV)
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
I share the Annihalist view. No loving God would send us to an eternal torment. If God is just this would not take place.
When something is burned up it doesn't cease to exist, it changes form. Not saying that defeats his argument, but is an interesting thought to ponder
Hell fire is a symbolic meaning of torment which is brought about by the law of sowing and reaping , Hell starts from this earth it is used by Jesus to describe in a spiritual figurative sense but people who claim to be Christians are busy misinterpreting the parables of Jesus for purposes that suit them a man drowning is suffering hell
I'm pretty sure it pleases Satan when people believe the lie that hell is not a reality at the present moment
Alright , so im from turkey and i don't believe in any religions , so let's say that i become a christian and my entire family muslim and they go to hell and i go to heaven and they will burn in hell and while they're burning in hell i will live in peace in heaven ! This is bullshit !
Peter Rappit that's bull shit I always think of my family at work..working for the white man
Peter Rappit your post show just how SICK you and your Pentecostal religion is. You believe in a god worse that Hitler.you don't have the Love of Christ in you or do you even know the True God Jesus Christ. you say things like. Peter Rappit1 day agoCrazy boy if you get to Heaven you will have no remembrance of your earthly family perishing in Hell.
Peter Rappit I am Peter rabbit..,lol sounds like a Disney special..lmao
Peter Rappit Now just were do you come up with me being a Adventist?LOL Shows how sick you are. Now please read close. I AM OF NO AND THAT MEANS NONE. RELIGION. Read below what you said below in one of your post. You claim to be God? You said you had the mind of God. Was Jesus God Rappit. YES HE WAS. And here is what you said in your post. Peter RappitJesse and Jan I have the mind of Christ Jesus
should be fair to pay in fire all eternity for just 70 years of sin? Dont you think something is wrong there? Should it be love? The simple answer is. God is love. His punishment is forever but the fire is short. The real meaning of fire is no existence
(sry for my English im learning
the greek word for everlasting is aiónios which is the ancient equivalent of the English word eon which is a period of time do everlasting punishment is not eternal because eternal surpasses eon and time but the original word said aiónios which is a period of time so the wicked wont burn forever
What does the Q represent in the Prophecy Code imagery?
Matthew 25:46
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Eternal punishment is eternal death, no resurrection after that. What do people fear more than death? than to exist no more? think about it, God bless.
Interesting, i`ve been wrestling with this notion that hell isn`t a literal place but just destruction of the wicked for a while now.
The sinful and vengeful side to me wants to think that the Hitlers and Stalins of the world burn for eternity but the scripture and the loving nature of God tells me otherwise.
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SDA?
You provided your personal feelings not objective truth. Remove your feelings and live by the truth.
What does your vengeful side have to do with a Holy and Just God? His word is clear, the wicked will face eternal punishment.
joeforHistruth Death is eternal punishment, having your spirit destroyed forever is about as eternal as it gets.
The punishment for sin is *death*!
Come2theLight Eternal punishment is what is taught. Not annihilation.
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Are you sure about that? show me the scripture? without using revelation, show me where Jesus said, conclusively!, that the spirit will suffer eternal torment?
To be honest, it`s not an enormous concern, but i think that the idea that a person can live a good life, work hard, raise a family, think of others etc, but never be religious, can be tortured for all eternity, the God that i know, the God of love and Mercy that set me free, would not do that. The verses in the Bible can be interpreted either way, i don`t think we are supposed to know because we already know that God is just, and our faith in Him is enough to know that what He does is right and that`s why the Bible is not clear.
you should understand that death is separation. Adam was death ( separated from God) when he disobeyed
Eusebius Ndikum Yes and the sinners will be destroyed and forever separated from God - If they are in eternal torment where is the separation if God is doing the constant punishing?
yes i know because i was there once in heaven my soul
If you would check the Strong's Concordance, you would find that in the Hebrew and Chaldee Dictionary, item 5315, it shows that in this verse of scripture that the soul is tranlated "a breathing creature" the word is nephesh: pronounced neh-fesh. As it is told to us in Genesis 2:7, God breathed into man the BREATH OF LIFE, and man BECAME a living soul. Same word. Same meaning. He became a breathing creature.
@athealovesu thank you brother athea and fellow star wars fan
may GOD be with you for who can be against you if HE is with you
Brother Doug, I love some of your teaching, but this is a doctrine of Demons.
Please explain with the Bible why? Beacuse everything Doug is saying is sustained and proved with the Word of God. God bless.
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not PERISH, but have EVERLASTING LIFE." (John 3:16)
"For the wages of sin is DEATH; but the gift of God is ETERNAL LIFE through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23)
It's either death or eternal life. These are the only two options. It's not eternal life in heaven or eternal life in hellfire.
Flurry Heart- Kiko Jesus death don’t cover any sins you commit after you learn you are a sinner and know the truth let’s read
“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,”
Hebrews 10:26 KJV
bible.com/1/heb.10.26.kjv
You're most likely a Narcassist.
Dough is preaching smooth things to fit carnal professors. Kindly adventist woke up. And preach PRESENT TRUTH
God bless this man for he has brought us an immense amount of truth today!
I think "eternity" has been misunderstood. "Eternity" does not refer to an endless amount of time, rather, it is outside time - time does not pass in eternity as we perceive it to pass in our limited 4-dimensional spacetime. Even if it were an endless amount of time the suggestion that Cain could suffer a longer eternity than Hitler is absurd. Doug's teaching in this film generally seems to be based on the limited reality which we experience during our lives in this world.
+oldmanoftheshells What do you mean
Isa 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
i create "calamity" is the true translation. That is something like floods and simmilar.
Thanl you and goodbye
I'm a Catholic but I really like this guy
well, of course you do. both of your cults suffer from the erroneous doctrine that "your own works of Righteousness effect your Salvation"
So, according to you, I like this guy because we share the common affliction of "erroneous doctrine"? I only said that I was a Catholic and that I liked this guy. And I can't completely understand your critique for the nonsensical phrase '....effect your Salvation" If you rewrite it and substitute "affect" for "effect", then the effect on me will be lucidity. Capische?
you don't understand the simple statement that you are BOTH "judaizers or legalists" that believe YOUR works of Righteousness (which are like a woman's bloody Kotex, Isa 64:6) effect your Salvation somehow. should be easy enough to understand.
VictorCrowne your pastor promise you library but he himself Teaches Lawlessness, meaning no more laws for new church only love, and rejected the laws of God.
Ask your self a question, what is Lawlessness,lawless mean???Acts 21: He took a vow because,
Paul was accused of teaching against God's laws,
Matt 23:1-3 seat of Moses observe and do.
Acts 13:14-45 jews and gentiles , Moses every Sabbath day.
Acts 15:21 Gentiles will learn from seat of Moses every Sabbath,
Matt4:4 man shall live by every word that process from the mouth of God.
Jesus said it is the Father's doctrine not his, The Father word,The Father work,
Ephesians 5:10 Find out what please the Lord.
Jesus said in John 7:38-39 Believe on Him as the scriptures say,. Torah reading from the seat of Moses.
Acts 17:11 daily search the scriptures,
Acts 18:28 proving from scriptures that Jesus was Christ.
Only the Torah was read Law, Psalms and all Prophets,, the Bible was not put together yet when Jesus are the apostles was teaching from Torah.
VictorCrowne and if you read your bible, all apostles called their writtings letters are gospels, when they talk about all scriptures are for learning, Teaching, doctrine, reproof, instructions,they meant the Torah, not their letters,
Prov30:6 Do not add are subtract from the word of God are He will rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Deut 4:2:do not add are subtract from My words are laws
Deut 12 :32 be careful to observe it, you shall not add are take from it.
Matt4:4 Luke 4:4 live by every word of God.
Hell and the lake of fire are real. Whether forever or not should not matter. To be separated from our King Jesus for any length of time is unimaginable. Seek JESUS!
It matters when witnessing to unsaved people. They don't see it as a just concept of God, which it isn't if its forever torture. A period of death = to your sins is just. Many people reject God simply for that, and won't even read a Bible.
Romans 6:23, For the wages of sin is DEATH; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (KJV)
@Elvin Lalan Which is eternal death; never to be resurrected again. Punished for a time in the flames according to their works; and then dead eternally never to rise again.
Rich man and Lazarus done
Good talk. This is Biblical. There is no eternal torment for humans... As far as Satan goes: My thought is; since there is "no more pain" then he; even though he is meant to live forever will not. His choice. There will be some torment for him.... and he fears that fact. There is reason to believe this, in scripture.... but eternal torment for mankind is totally out. It took me some time to come to this conclusion of no torment for humans... so don't get discouraged if people don't believe you right off... this belief is deeply imbedded and unquestioned in most Christian. My God's Word continually wash out these types of beliefs that only frustrate the gospel and hinder a witness for Christ. Choose Life.
quote from the scriptures
Tramon Walker
Read Edward Fudges book the Fire that Consumes i really quotes a lot from the Psalms and NT how the wicked are cut off and destroyed. I remember it say there is a lot in the OT about the final fate of the wicked more to go on than eternal torment dogma.
All are saved; because All will believe.
James Larabee According to my references for Acts 2:27, NIV says. "because you will not abandon me to the realm of the dead, you will not let your holy one see decay." while the ESV says "For you will not abandon my soul to Hades, or let your Holy One see corruption" while the NASB says "BECAUSE YOU WILL NOT ABANDON MY SOUL TO HADES, NOR ALLOW YOUR HOLY ONE TO UNDERGO DECAY." while the KJV says "Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption." The "grave" is not "Hades" & the KJV mistranslated "hades" here as "hell." "Hades" should be the word used here in this verse. The Pulpit Commentary says, "Verse 27. - Hades for hell, A.V.; give thy Holy One for suffer thine Holy One, A.V., surely not so good a rendering. Hades. The "hell" of the A.V. is the exact English representative of ᾅδης. The article in the Creed, "He descended into hell," is based upon this text especially, the other two alleged in support of it (Ephesians 4:9; 1 Peter 3:18, 19) being less conclusive (see Pearson on the Creed, art. 5.). It is a pity to lose the word "hell" in its true meaning. Corruption; Greek διαφθρόραν, Hebrew שַׁחַת. The Hebrew word always means a pit (from שׁוּחַ); but the LXX. here render it διαφθορά, as if from שָׁחַת (in Pihel, to destroy, waste; in Hophal and Niphal, to be corrupted, spoilt, to rot). In the A.V. it is rendered corruption, here and in Job 17:14, where it answers to "the worms," in the parallel clause. It is very probable that the LXX. are right. Nothing is more common than for Hebrew verbs to take the meaning of verbs with similar radicals. Holy One. So the LXX. and the Keri of the Hebrew text. But the Cethib has Holy Ones in the plural. It is obvious that the singular, Holy One, agrees far better with the singulars which precede and follow it - my heart, my glory, my flesh, my soul, thou wilt show me - than the plural, which is entirely out of place. The two clauses taken together show the full liberation of Christ from the dominion of death - that of his human soul from hell, and that of his body from the grave before it saw corruption (comp. Acts 13:34-37).Now let's get into a little more detail by becoming familiar with some Hebrew and Greek words that are key to understanding this topic.
Sheol (Hebrew) - It is the non-permanent place or temporary address of the disembodied souls of dead. It is not the grave or sepulcher, nor is it the eternal location of the souls of the dead. It is the same as the Greek word "Hades", which we will look at in a moment. Prior to Jesus Christ's resurrection, both the souls of the evil and the righteous went there after death. It is translated "grave" 31 times, "hell" 31 times, and "pit" 3 times in King James Version (KJV) of the Bible.
Sheol (or Hades) has two separate halves. One side was and is reserved for the torment of the evil, while the other side, called "Abraham's Bosom" in Luke 16:22, was for the comfort of the righteous. There is and impassable canyon, or gulf, between the two halves. When Christ was resurrected, he led the righteous out of Sheol to Heaven. Many (probably not all) of the Old Testament saints were resurrected into their immortal bodies at that time (Matthew 27:51-53). Since then, the souls of all of the saved people go directly to Heaven when their bodies die. The lost people still go to Sheol and join the lost people of the Old Testament in torment on one side of the canyon when they die. The other side of Sheol formerly known as Abraham's Bosom has been vacant since Jesus Christ led the saints within it to heaven after His resurrection.
Sheol (or Hades) is described as being "in the heart of the earth" in Matthew 12:40 and is said to be below, down, or beneath in passages such as Deuteronomy 32:22, Isaiah 14:9, and Ezekiel 31:16.
The English word "Hell" refers to a place of eternal punishment for the wicked. Its meaning does not distinguish between the two separate places for the wicked to be punished, one temporary for the soul, and the other, the Lake of Fire, permanent for the soul and body. Nor does its meaning include the place of comfort for saints prior to Christ's resurrection. In normal English conversation, "Hell" is used only in the negative sense, with no saved people ever going there.
This caused some inadequate translations of "Sheol" and "Hades". Often these words are translated "Hell", which, as just explained, is rather ambiguous and non-descriptive. In many other places "Sheol" and "Hades" are translated as "grave", but the grave is only the place for the body after death, not the place for the soul. This confusion often occurs when the verse refers to a righteous man going to "Sheol", such as men like Jacob, Joseph, (Genesis 37:35) and Job (Job 14:13). Of course, these men did not go to a place of torment, but to the comfort side of Sheol (Hades), called Abraham's Bosom.
Hades (Greek) - It is identical to Sheol (Hebrew). It is the non-permanent place or temporary address of the disembodied souls of dead. It is not the grave or sepulcher, nor is it the eternal location of the souls of the dead. Hades is translated "Hell" 10 times and "grave" once by KJV. It is the place for the soul, not the body.
Gehenna (Greek, but originally from a Hebrew name) - translated "Hell" all 12 times in KJV It is the permanent place for destruction of the "... soul and body ..." (Matthew 10:28). It is a place of "... fire that never shall be quenched" (Mark 9:45). In most of the references, it is clear from the context that those who enter Gehenna, do so in their bodies, not merely as bodiless souls. For this to happen, it must occur after the resurrection of the damned at the great white throne of judgment. Therefore, Gehenna is the Lake of Fire described in Revelation 19 and 20. It is presently uninhabited, but the Beast and the False Prophet will be cast into it at the end of the tribulation (Revelation 19:20). One thousand years later, Satan will be cast into it (Revelation 20:10) and will be followed shortly by the lost people of all previous time periods (Revelation 20:15). They will all enter Gehenna together, in there resurrected bodies, where they will remain in torment for all eternity.
This Revelation 20 passage makes it clear that Hades and the Lake of Fire are not the same place. At the great white throne judgement at the end of the 1000 year kingdom, those in Hades will be removed from Hades, as Revelation 20:13 says, "... hell (Hades) delivered up the dead which were in them ...." And those which were in Hades will be cast into the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:14-15). Note that the timing of this relocation of the lost occurs just before where Revelation 21:1 says, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea." Hades, which will be emptied in Revelation 20:13, apparently will them be destroyed, since it is in the heart of the first earth.
The future destruction of the wicked is symbolized by the Valley of Hinnom to which Gehenna refers. It is a place south of Jerusalem where the bodies of dead animals and rubbish were taken to be burned. The Valley of Hinnom was also the site of much human sacrifice to the pagan god Molech (2 Kings 23:10, 2 Chronicles 28:3, 33:6, Jeremiah 32:35). The fire burned constantly in the valley since additional fuel was frequently being cast into it.
"And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart. Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that it shall no more be called Tophet, nor the valley of the son of Hinnom, but the valley of slaughter: for they shall bury in Tophet, till there be no place" (Jeremiah 7:31-32). Here we see that in the Valley of Hinnom is a place called "Tophet" whose name means "place of fire".
"For Tophet is ordained of old; yea, for the king it is prepared; he hath made it deep and large: the pile thereof is fire and much wood; the breath of the LORD, like a stream of brimstone, doth kindle it" (Isaiah 30:33).
limne pur (Greek) - "lake of fire" occurs 4 times, all in Revelation 19 and 20. This is Gehenna, into which the resurrected damned are cast. Limne means "lake" and is translated as such all 10 times it occurs by the KJV. Pur means "fire" and is translated so 73 times by the KJV while being translated "fiery" once.
Other key terms
tartaroo (Greek) - Refers to "Tartarus" and only occurs once in 2 Peter 2:4 where it is translated "hell" "For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment ...." This is probably a separate place from Hades, and may be a place only for fallen angels. There are no Biblical references to people going there.
grave (English) - The place for the fleshly body after death, sepulcher. It is not the abode of the soul or spirit.
abussos (Greek) - Abyss. It is translated "bottomless pit" 5 times, "deep" twice, and "bottomless" twice by KJV. It is where Satan will be locked up for the 1000 years of Christ's reign on earth (Revelation 20:1-3). This Abyss is also where the Legion of devils begged Jesus not to send them in Luke 8:30-31. And this Abyss is the bottomless pit that will be opened at the fifth trumpet judgment of Revelation 9:1-11. The beast that will come out of it at the fifth trumpet is mentioned in Revelation 11:7 and 17:8. This Abyss is thought by many to be the same as the impassable gulf described in Luke 16:26.
chasma (Greek) - a gaping opening, chasm, or gulf. It is translated "gulf" in its only occurrence in Luke 16:26, where it is the canyon separating the torment and comfort sides of Hades.
Abraam kolpos (Greek) - Abraham's Bosom (Luke 16:22). Abraam is translated "Abraham" all 73 times. Kolpos is translated bosom 5 times and creek once (Acts 27:39).
paradeisos - Paradise. It is translated "paradise" all 3 times by the KJV. "Paradise" is not the English translation of any other Greek word in scripture. First we hear the words of the thief and Jesus Christ on their crosses in Luke 23:42-43, "And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise." In 2 Corinthians 12:4, Paul tells how he was "... caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." In Revelation 2:7, Jesus told the church of Ephesus "... To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life which is in the midst of the paradise of God." The tree of life is also mentioned in Revelation 22:2, in the new heaven and new earth, where it appears to be not just one tree, but a type of tree of which there are more than one. Since the three references show paradise to be in different places, then either paradise has been relocated once and will yet be relocated again, or it is a general term.
Summary
Sheol (Hebrew) and Hades (Greek) are the temporary place of torment for the souls of the wicked dead. Prior to Christ's resurrection, saints were kept and comforted in the now vacant half of Hades, known as Abraham's Bosom. Gehenna (Greek, but from a Hebrew name) is the Lake of Fire for the permanent place of torment of the souls of the wicked dead in their resurrected bodies. Hell is a rather general and inadequate term that is often used to refer to either Gehenna or the torment side of Hades, both by those who know the basic difference between these two specific places and by those who do not."Hades" is the Greek term widely used to denote the deity of the underworld and the abode of the dead. The New Testament use of Hades (hades [ᾅδης]) builds on its Hebrew parallel, Sheol (se'ol), which was the preferred translation in the Septuagint.
The Old Testament. Sheol refers primarily to death and the abode of the dead, both godly and ungodly (Gen 37:25; Psalm 16:10; 88:10-12; Isa 14:9). These conscious souls face a lethargic existence, apparently without reward or retribution (Job 10:21; Eccl 9:10; Isa 14:10). Since death is not a natural occurrence but invaded creation through the fall and Satan's destructive work (Gen. 2-3), the Old Testament personifies Sheol as the power of Satan and his demonic hosts (Job 18:14; Psalm 18:4-5; Isa 28:15; Jer 9:21). While an antagonist, Sheol ultimately exists at Yahweh's service (1 Sam 2:6; Psalm 55:23; 139:8). The Old Testament confidently awaits God's victory over Sheol (Psalm 98; Isa 25:8; Hosea 13:14). But the precise expectation of a bodily resurrection for the wicked and the related conception of Sheol as an intermediate state is late (Dan 12:2).
The New Testament. This indeterminate picture of Sheol and its Greek translation, Hades, allowed varying interpretations by intertestamental Jews. In the New Testament Christ's revelation and salvific work decisively shape this term. For Christ has established authority over all powers (Eph 1:20-23), even the one who "holds the power of death" (Heb 2:14; 2 Tim 1:10). He is the "Lord of both the dead and the living" (Rom 14:9).
Hades is the state in which all the dead exist. In the New Testament a descent to Hades may simply refer to someone's death and disembodied existence. In this sense even Jesus enters Hades. Following David's prophecy in Psalm 16:10, Peter interprets the resurrection as God delivering Jesus from Hades (Acts 2:27,31). Similarly, Jesus prophesies that the Son of Man will be delivered from the heart of the earth, just as God delivered Jonah from Hades (Matt 12:40). In both instances, Hades refers to a disembodied existence.
The New Testament does not explore Jesus' precise residence or activity while in Hades, unlike the later church traditions of the "harrowing of hell" or a "Hades Gospel." It is widely accepted that the proclamation in 1 Peter 3:19 occurs after rather than before his resurrection (v. 18, "made alive by the Spirit"), and that the dead in 1 Peter 4:6 are deceased believers who heard the gospel while alive. However, Jesus' descent to Hades is theologically important. This is the path of the Old Testament righteous (Isa 53). Furthermore, this descent confirms that God assumed human nature and even our sinful destiny, death (2 Col 5:14, 21; Heb 2:14). Finally, Jesus' deliverance from Hades establishes the new life for humanity (1 Cor 15).
Jesus' parable of the rich man and Lazarus portrays additional features of this state (Luke 16:19-31). An unbridgeable chasm separates the wicked and the righteous dead. Death has fixed the human's destiny without further opportunity for repentance. The rich man recalls his fate and that of his family, and cries out in distress for Abraham to send them a sign and relieve his punishment, but to no avail. Usually the details of parables should not be pressed to teach doctrine. In this case Jesus' vivid description of the basic conditions of the godly and ungodly dead is indispensable to the parable's point. Other Scriptures also portray the requests of the dead and the fixity of their future (2 Col 5:10; Heb 9:27; Rev 6:9-10).
Hades is the place where the wicked dead reside and are punished. In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man experiences torment in Hades. This is the intermediate state, for the bodily resurrection and the final judgment are still future. Jesus' point is that Hades foreshadows the rich man's final judgment. Similarly, Lazarus rests at Abraham's side, connoting the joyous abode of the righteous dead (Luke 16:23).
This differentiation between the wicked and the righteous dead continues throughout the New Testament. The righteous dead are "at home with the Lord" (2 Cor 5:8), "in paradise" (Luke 23:43), or in the presence of God (Rev 6:9; 7:9; 14:3). The unrighteous are held in punishment and wicked angels are imprisoned in Tartarus, a Greek term designating the lowest part of Hades (1 Peter 3:19; 2 Peter 2:4, 9; Jude 6 ). Jesus' woe to unrepentant Capernaum that it will be brought down to Hades is not simply a prophecy of its earthly demise, but its judgment (Luke 10:15).
For some commentations these references to Hades and the dead are problematic and contradict the Old Testament. G. Vos resolves these problems by distinguishing between Hades as a disembodied state for all the dead and the specific abode of the ungodly. As he astutely notes, only the ungodly reside in a punitive place called Hades. The godly dead are with Jesus in a disembodied state also called Hades. The New Testament does significantly modify the Old Testament concept of Hades as a shadowy abode of all the dead. This further development, however, concurs with Jesus' lordship over the living and the dead.
Hades' power is conquered. Like the Old Testament, the New Testament personifies Hades and associated terms, such as death, abyss, and Abaddon, as the demonic forces behind sin and ruin (Acts 2:24; Rom 5:14, 17; 1 Cor 15:25-26; Rev 6:8; 9:1-11; 20:14). When Jesus promises that the "gates of Hades" will never overcome the church (Matt 16:18), this phrase parallels Old Testament expressions tied to evil's power and persecution (Psalm 9:13; 107:17-20). Jesus' reference to the future in Matthew 16:18 concurs with Revelation's vision of Satan's final attack on God's people (19:19; 20:7-9). Jesus has promised that he will conquer Hades so that it will not defeat the church. Indeed, his resurrection establishes that this evil empire is already broken. Christ now holds the keys, the authority over death and Hades (Rev 1:18)!
The end of Hades. Jesus is the conqueror of all powers, the exalted One, and as such he has graced his church (Eph 4:7-10). With Hades vanquished (Rev 1:18) believers know that nothing, not even death, cannot separate them from Christ (Rom 8:39). They still await the next act in the history of salvation, when Jesus consummates his kingdom. Then Hades will release its dead for the final resurrection and judgment (Rev 20:13). Thereafter Hades, Satan, and the reprobate will be thrown into Gehenna, the place of God's final retributive punishment. (Hades has only a limited existence; Gehenna or hell is the final place of judgment for the wicked. Many English versions foster confusion by translating both terms as "hell.")
In summary, the New Testament affirms that Christ has conquered Hades. While dead believers exist in this state, they are also "with the Lord." Hades also denotes the vanquished stronghold of Satan's forces whose end is certain and the intermediate place of punishment for the wicked dead until the final judgment.
See also Abraham's Bosom; Death, Mortality; Grave; Hell; Sheol
Bibliography. J. W. Cooper, Body, Soul, and Life Everlasting; W. J. Dalton, Christ's Proclamation to the Spirits: A Study of I Peter 3:18-4:6; M. J. Harris, Themelios11 (1986): 47-52; R. L. Harris, TWOT, 2:892-93; A. A. Hoekema, The Bible and the Future; J. Jeremias, TDNT, 1:146-49, 657-58; 6:924-28; T. J. Lewis, ABD, 2:101-5; G. Vos, ISBE, 2:1314-15.
"Grave" is the place where the physical remains of a deceased person are interred. It is "the place appointed for all living" ( Job 30:23 ). It is where all go, even animals ( Eccl 3:19-20 ). It is a place with no class distinctions ( Job 3:14-19 ).
In Old Testament times, a person who touched a grave was unclean ( Num 19:16-18 ). Thus almost all burials took place outside the city except for certain kings. Ezekiel prophesies that Judah will never again defile God's name with the corpses of their kings. The grave became a metaphor for human depravity. Paul quotes Psalm 5:9 ("their throat is an open grave") as part of his scriptural basis that all people are under sin ( Romans 3:9 Romans 3:13 ). Jesus compares some people in his day to whitewashed tombs that are beautiful on the outside but "full of dead men's bones and everything unclean" on the inside ( Matt 23:27 ). They are only outwardly righteous.
A grave could be a symbol of pride. Absalom followed the practice of ancient Near Eastern kings when he built himself a monument ( 2 Sam 18:18 ). Isaiah proclaimed that no one had the right to build such arrogant structures. Shebna, the royal steward, was told that he would be hurled out of the country for chiseling out a resting place for himself on the high rock ( Isa 22:15-19 ).
A grave might be a symbol of respect. Nehemiah remembered Jerusalem as the place of his father's grave ( Neh 2:5 ). Jacob set up a pillar to mark Rachel's tomb ( Gen 35:20 ). Not being interred in the family tomb was considered unthinkable. The anonymous prophet was punished in this way ( 1 Kings 13:22 ). Josiah did not desecrate this tomb out of respect for him ( 2 Kings 23:15-18 ). Jeroboam's baby was the only one good enough to deserve a burial ( 1 Kings 14:13 ).
To show disrespect for idolaters the dust of broken cult symbols was scattered over their graves ( 2 Ch 34:4 ). Josiah broke into the tombs at Bethel and burned the bones of the idolatrous priests upon the altar there to defile it ( 2 Kings 23:15-17 ). In Revelation 11:9 men do not bury the two witnesses to show contempt for them.
Graves at times symbolized hopelessness. The Gadarene demoniac made his home among the tombs ( Mark 5:2 ). It is a place of no return, where there is gloom, deep shadow, and disorder ( Job 10:21-22 ). There is no activity there ( Psalms 88:5 Psalms 88:16 ; Eccl 9:10 ). But it is not necessarily a final resting place. Human beings will lie there until the heavens are no more ( Job 14:12 ). The tomb is not an "eternal home" but a "dark house" ( Eccl 12:5 ).
A grave is also a symbol of hope, however. With the resurrection of Christ tombs in Jerusalem were opened and the dead came out ( Matt 27:52 ). When people threw a body into Elisha's grave, it came back to life ( 2 Kings 13:21 ). David's tomb reminded Peter of his prophecy that says, "You will not abandon me to the grave" ( Acts 2:27-29 ). Jesus said that "all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out" ( John 5:28-29 ). Christianity is still best represented by the empty grave ( John 20:1-9 ).
See also Burial; Death; Funeral; Hell
Bibliography. W. Coleman, Today's Handbook of Bible Times and Customs; R. de Vaux, Ancient Israel, vol. 1; N. J. Tromp, Primitive Conceptions of Death and the Nether World; H. W. Wolff, Anthropology of the Old Testament; R. Youngblood, A Tribute to Gleason Archer.
"Hell" is the place of God's final retributive punishment. Scripture progressively develops this destiny of the wicked: the Old Testament outlines the framework, while the New Testament elaborates on it. Jesus, however, is most responsible for defining hell.
The Old Testament. In the Old Testament Sheol denotes the abode of the dead; conscious souls face a shadowy existence in this "land of oblivion" ( Job 10:21 ; Psalm 88:12 ; Eccl 9:10 ; Isa 14:10 ). Since death is not a natural occurrence but issues from the fall, the Old Testament confidently awaits God's demonstration of his lordship over Sheol by raising the righteous to life (Gen. 2-3; Psalm 16:10 ; 49:15 ; Isa 25:8 ; Hosea 13:14 ). While God's kingship also has implications for the wicked, here the Old Testament is more reserved. The Old Testament infrequently suggests a bodily resurrection for the wicked ( Dan 12:2 ), a final judgment and retribution for evil deeds ( Psalm 21:10 ; 140:10 ; Mal 4:1-2 ). Nevertheless, the contemptible and horrible destiny of the wicked, irretrievably isolated from the righteous, is clear ( Psalm 9:17 ; 34:15-16 ).
The Intertestamental Period. The intertestamental literature constructed divergent scenarios for the wicked dead, including annihilation (4 Ezra 7:61; 2 Apoc Bar 82:3ff.; 1 Enoch 48:9; 99:12; 1QS iv. 11-14 ) and endless torment (Jub 36:11; 1 Enoch 27:1-3; 103:8; T Gad 7:5). Sheol frequently became an interim location for the dead, distinguished from the place of final punishment (1 Enoch 18:9-16; 51:1). This final punishment was usually located in a valley south of Jerusalem, known in Hebrew as Gen Hinnom or the Valley of Hinnom (2 Apoc Bar 59:10; 4 Ezra 7:36), and in Greek as gehenna [gevenna] (2 Esdr 2:29). This valley had a long history as a place of infamy. Notorious for the child sacrifices offered to Molech during the reigns of Ahaz and Manasseh ( 2 Kings 16:3 ; 2 Chron 28:3 ; 33:6 ; Jer 7:31-34 ; 19:6 ), this valley was further desecrated when Josiah used it as Jerusalem's refuse dump ( 2 Kings 23:10 ) and it was prophesied as the place of God's future fiery judgment ( Isa 30:33 ; 66:24 ; Jer 7:31-32 ). While some intertestamental writings equate hell with the "lake of fire" in this "accursed valley" of Hinnom (1 Enoch 90:26, 27; 54:1, 2), others use it to denote a place in the underworld (Sib Or 4:1184-86).
In addition, the respective scenarios for the wicked, whether annihilation or eternal torment, shaped images of God's judgment. For instance, at times fire consumes the wicked (1 Enoch 99:12); in other texts fire and worms torment their victim to a useless existence (Judith 16:17).
The New Testament. In the New Testament hell is where the reprobate exist after the resurrection from Hades and the final judgment. In this lake of fire God punishes the wicked, along with Satan and his henchmen ( Matt 25:41 ), bringing an end to evil's free ways.
Gehenna [gevenna] is the standard term for hell in the New Testament. Related phrases include "punishment of eternal fire" (Jude 7), "lake of fire" ( Rev 19:29 ; 20:14-15 ), and "judgment." English versions occasionally translate hades [a&/dh"] (esp. Luke 16:23 ) and tartaroo [tartarovw] ( 2 Pe 2:4 ) as hell. However, these terms appear to denote the intermediate state, not the final destiny of the wicked.
Jesus says more about hell than any other biblical figure. His warnings of the eschatological judgment are liberally colored with the imagery of hell ( Matt 5:22 ; 7:19 ; 8:12 ; par. Luke 13:28-30 ; Matthew 10:15 Matthew 10:28 ; Matthew 11:22 Matthew 11:24 ; 18:8-9 ; par. Mark 9:43-49 ; Luke 17:26-29 ; John 15:6 ). He portrays this future judgment through pictures of Sodom's destruction ( Luke 17:29-30 ): fire, burning sulfur, and a fiery furnace ( Gen 19:24-25 ). These images of God's judgment were well established in the Old Testament and intertestamental literature. Important portrayals of hell are also present in Jesus' parables, including the tares ( Matt 13:40-42 ), the net ( Matt 13:50 ); the great supper ( Matt 22:13 ), the good servant and the wicked servant ( Matt 24:51 ; par. Luke 12:46-47 ), the talents ( Matt 25:30 ), and the last judgment ( Matt 25:46 ). Here "weeping and gnashing of teeth" ( Matt 13:50 ; 24:51 ; 25:30 ) and "darkness" ( Matt 22:13 ; 25:30 ) are key descriptive phrases.
The New Testament conception of hell does not exceed Jesus' description. The following headings outline its essential features.
1. Sinners will occupy hell. While God created us for a loving relation with himself, at the fall humankind rebelled. God's judgment falls on all sinners, unless they have faith in Jesus. After the provisional state of Hades and the final judgment, God's wrath culminates in hell. According to the New Testament, the objects of God's wrath range from the pious hypocrites ( Matt 23:33 ) and those failing to help the poor ( Matt 25:31-46 ; Luke 16:19-31 ) to the vile and murderers ( Rev 21:8 ).
Some argue that only an explicit repudiation of Jesus attracts God's eternal wrath, referencing lu 12:8-9. However, Jesus says "the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost" ( Luke 19:10 ). In other words, he came offering grace to a world that was "condemned already" ( John 3:17-18 ).
Since hell is not a natural fixture of creation but results from the fall and is destiny of the wicked, the New Testament occasionally personifies hell as the demonic forces behind sin. The sinful tongue is itself aroused and "set on fire by hell" ( James 3:6 ). Similarly, Jesus labels the Pharisees "sons of hell, " identifying the root of their hypocrisy ( Matt 23:15 ).
2. Hell exists for the requital and retribution of evil deeds. Hell is the place of God's final judgment. Here God, our King and Supreme Judge, finally rectifies wrongs through his retributive wrath. Here the damned will be paid back for the harm they have done ( Matt 16:27 ; Luke 12:47-48 ; 2 Peter 2:13 ; Jude 15 Rev 14:9-11 ). Wrath is not the natural consequence of evil choices in a moral uerse or the sinner's misconstrual of God's love. Rather, as Paul's use of orge shows, wrath is an emotion or feeling in the Godhead, and thus God's personal action ( Rom 1:18-32 ). By extrinsically imposing penal conditions on the sinner, God rectifies wrongs and reestablishes his righteous rule ( Matt 25:31-46 ; Rom 12:19 ; 1 Cor 15:24-25 ; 2 Col 5:10 ).
3. Hell is a final place of bondage and isolation from the righteous. After the resurrection and the final judgment, the wicked and even Hades are thrown into hell. The New Testament describes hell as a place: a furnace ( Matthew 13:42 Matthew 13:50 ), a lake of fire ( Rev 19:20 ; 20:14-15 ; 21:8 ), and a prison ( Rev 20:7 ). The wicked are imprisoned here so they cannot harm God's people ( Matt 5:25-26 ; Matthew 13:42 Matthew 13:50 ; 18:34 ; Jude 6 Rev 20:14-15 ).
While the parable of Lazarus and the rich man occurs in Hades, the intermediate state, and not Gehenna, it does foreshadow the latter. Jesus says an unbridgeable spatial chasm separates these two so no one can "cross over from there" ( Luke 16:26 ). John's vision in Revelation 21 of the new city on a high mountain confirms this separation between the blessed and the damned after the day of judgment. Consequently, Scripture provides no warrant for those speculative images of the righteous rejoicing in the torture of the damned. The prophecy in Isaiah 66:24, which has been so used, does not refer to this eschatological event, for the resurrection of the body has not occurred.
4. Sinners suffer penalties in hell. Jesus repeatedly accentuates hell's dreadfulness and horror: "if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out It is better to enter life with one eye than to be thrown into the fire of hell" ( Matt 18:9 ). While Scripture remains reticent on the specific torments for the impenitent, certain dimensions are clear.
At the final judgment, God will declare, "I don't know you Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire" ( Matthew 25:12 Matthew 25:41 ). The wicked in hell are excluded from God's loving presence and the "life" for which humans were originally created ( John 5:29 ). The damned are "thrown outside, into the darkness" ( Matt 8:12 ; 22:13 ). Consequently this "second death" ( Rev 21:8 ) is a useless and ruined existence ( Matt 25:30 ; Luke 9:25 ; John 3:16-18 ; 2 Thess 1:9 ; 2 Peter 2:12 ; Jude 12 ; Rev 21:8 ). Sin has thoroughly effaced every virtue. The reprobate have become obstinate in their rebellion against God, like "unreasoning animals" ( Jude 1:10 Jude 1:13 ; 2 Peter 2:12-22 ). Consequently, the doors of hell can be locked from the inside, as C. S. Lewis observes.
In hell, the damned receive their due for "things done while in the body" ( 2 Col 5:10 ; 2 Peter 2:13 ; Jude 15 Rev 14:9-11 ). The "undying worm" has often been interpreted as the soul's internal torment, coveting and grieving what has been lost ( Mark 9:48 ). This regret is compounded since the reprobate are not penitent but locked into their rebellion. But the grave's worms and darkness are also common images of a contemptible fate. Scripture suggests that there are degrees of punishment in hell. The one "who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten with few blows." More severe is the punishment due to the disobedient who were "entrusted with much" ( Mark 12:40 ; Luke 12:48 ).
Annihilationsim and the Extent of Hell. The extent of hell has occasioned much debate in recent scholarship. There are three major points of contention.
Some annihilationists have argued that the biblical imagery of a consuming fire, destruction, and perishing implies the cessation of life (Stott). However, Jesus' pictures of hell are not literal descriptions but metaphors. They are mutually exclusive, if taken literally, for the fires of hell conflict with its "utter darkness." In the intertestamental literature the metaphorical image of a fire could suggest annihilation or everlasting punishment, showing the inconclusiveness of this argument.
Some annihilationists have argued that when the Greek adjective for eternal, aionios [aijwvnio"], is used with nouns of action, it refers to an occurrence with eternal results, not an eternal process (Fudge). "Eternal punishment, " it is argued, denotes a punishment that occurs once with eternal results. However, counterfactuals dispute this argument. The eternal sin ( Mark 3:29 ), for example, is not just one sin, but an action that irretrievably debilitates so one only sins. Similarly, everlasting salvation (aionios [aijwvnio"] soteria [swthriva]) does not refer solely to Christ's work long ago, and thus preclude his sustaining and preserving presence. For Scripture describes believers, even in the age to come, as existing "in Christ" ( Rom 8:1 ; Eph 1:13 ; Col 2:6-7 ; 2 Tim 2:10 ). So aionios soteria [aijwvnio"swthriva] refers to Christ's eternal (aionios [aijwvnio"]) salvation of the blessed, an action that is everlasting as well as final.
In Matthew 25:46 Jesus differentiates the two futures of eternal life and eternal punishment, using the same adjective for each, aionios [aijwvnio"]. In Jesus' mind, it appears, the extent of each future is identical. If the existence of the righteous is endless, so also is the existence of the wicked. Other statements suggest the same conclusion. Jesus teaches that "whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him" (John 3:36). As long as God's wrath abides on them, the damned must exist. Jesus' picture of hell as a place where "their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:48) indicates that this manifestation of God's wrath is unending. Other passages in the New Testament reiterate Jesus' dreadful warning, by describing hell as "everlasting torment." Even annihilationists admit the difficulty of such texts for their position. For a specific Biblical refutation to annihilationism & universalism & other attempts at evading eternal torment go to "Eternal Punishment, part 1" at www.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?SID=12607145320 & "Eternal Punishment, part 2" atwww.sermonaudio.com/sermoninfo.asp?sid=12607143539.
Objections to Hell. Hell is a dreadful reality. Just as Christ wept over Jerusalem, believers are similarly troubled and anguished by this destiny of the lost. Some have raised serious challenges to the reality of hell.
One perennial difficulty concerns the relationship between God's love and holiness: How could a loving God reject forever the creature he loves? This question assumes that the creature is the highest intrinsic good, even for God. But the highest good for the God of Scripture is not humanity. Humanity was created for God, and cannot be defined in terms of itself; we exist to glorify God (Psalm 73:24-26; Rom 11:36; 1 Cor 10:31; Col 1:16). That is why Jesus insists it is idolatrous to enlist God as humanity's servant (Luke 17:7-10). Certainly God loves the creature; creation itself reflects God's free love. But since God's love is complete in himself, even before creation, the creature cannot be presumed as his one and only end. Nor can the character of God's love be decided a priori, but only by revelation. Consequently, Jesus' warning of the wrath to come (Matt 25:31,41,46) must be accepted as an inherent possibility of God's love.
Some acknowledge retribution, but question why the wicked are eternally kept in existence to suffer. At issue is the punishment due sin. Since pride conceals the sinner's true debt to God the Judge, again this question should be answered by examining Christ's priestly work of propitiation. At the cross God in Christ became our substitute to bear the punishment for our sins, so as "to be just and the one who justifies the man who has faith in Jesus" (Rom 3:26; cf. 2 Col 5:21; 1 Peter 2:24). The God-man propitiated our sin. This fact, that God the Judge, the "Lord of glory" himself (1 Cor 2:8), accepted the punishment due us, suggests that the penalty for sin against the Infinite is infinite.
Questions will remain. But believers personally know God's love in Jesus Christ. And their response to a lost world will parallel that of their Lord, who humbled himself to our condition, suffered, and died for the wicked.
See also Death, Mortality url="/dictionaries/bakers-evangelical-dictionary/death-mortality.html"; Eternal Punishment; Grave; Hades; Judgment; Judgment, Day of; Sheol
Bibliography. D. L. Edwards and J. Stott, Evangelical Essentials; E. Fudge, The Fire that Consumes; A. A. Hoekema, The Bible and the Future; C. S. Lewis, The Problem of Pain; S. McKnight, Through No Fault of Their Own: The Fate of Those Who Have Never Heard, pp. 147-57; T. R. Phillips, Through No Fault of Their Own: The Fate of Those Who Have Never Heard, pp. 47-59; W. G. T. Shedd, The Doctrine of Endless Punishment; D. F. Watson, ABD, 2:926-28.
garry owen your whole argument is wrong. the NIV is a corrupt version of God's Word.
The failure to understand eternal punishment is a failure to understand the holiness of God.
God is holy but he is also love. He would not subject people to eternity of burning torture. He will destroy the evil with fire not torture them forever. Besides the soul is not immortal. I believe people who preach eternal hell torment get some sort of sadistic glee from it.
+Dan Miller God is holy and love and just and wrath and grace and vengeance.
The bible clearly teaches eternal punishment. Stop trying to save God because of your distaste for hell.
There's no glee in knowing that, to say so is irresponsible and dishonest. But I also must speak the truth.
+joeforHistruth the punishment lasts not the process of punishing. The concept of eternal torture in hell was plagiarized from Greco-Roman paganism, along with the false doctrines of the immortal soul. That is not love. That is sadism which flies in the face of a loving God. I absolutely refuse to attend ANY church anymore because of such doctrines. They are used to control people and scare them into believing what the pastor or religion wants them to believe. I have read most of the Old Testament and all of the New Testament and found out that many words of Jesus were taken out of context. There is also a lot of metaphor and hyperbole. The Seventh Day Adventists got it right. I don't agree with some of their beliefs but they are right about the afterlife.
+Dan Miller It's just not true. You've listened to this dishonest man too much. What does the bible say? There is eternal punishment.
Matthew 25:46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
+joeforHistruth we are going to just have to agree to disagree. You have the right to believe any way you choose. As for me I will not believe in a God who is a sadist.
OMGosh... How can people be so deceived so easily?
Good study. I find it amazing Doug how you point out that it was greek mythology that this doctrine was formed from and how the Sabbath is from similar origins. And what of the Trinity Doug? Why is is so convenient for you to be truthful on Hell and the Sabbath but the Trinity you defend to the end?
I'm through arguing. People are going to believe what they want to believe. I've been to every church including SDA and found them all to be the same. The SDA was most down to earth and preach 95 percent of the truth but they believe in keeping all the ancient Hebrew laws including dietary laws and say you have to keep the law to keep your salvation. Plus they place too much emphasis on Ellen White their precious prophet. The other churches preach spiritualism and eternal torment which only a sadistic prick would do. Everybody says the Bible is literally true but did you know that it took centuries to decide what would go in the Bible? Christology wasn't decided until the council of Nicea in 325 CE. Pagan Constantine cast the deciding vote. I'm through with all this nonsense. None of us know if we will live again when we die but common sense dictates that no creator would torture his creation. Hell was made up like the Boogeyman to scare people.
100% true hell was made up to scare folks into staying in there church. the God of the Bible would never send anyone to roast for eternity. He is a merciful loving God who would never do that. this is all doctrines of devils man-made.
This is some scary stuff
I believe that all the wicked demons are out running around right now but it will soon be over.God bless to all that live the lord.
Peter Rappit Do you even know what a cult is?
Remo Williams You said! Hell was made up to scare folks into staying in there church. the God of the Bible would never send anyone to roast for eternity.) stop.) I don't know if it was made up scare people. I do have to asked this. Why does the bible say this? 1John chap 4) 8He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.) And this?) Matthew 18:21-35) 14Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not. Why would God want us to do those things then turn around and do the opposite of what he tells us to do? So I have to go along with what you are saying.
Jesse! brother just read ur bible ur gonna come in here and fight with everyone because because you disagree with them? Not just you but everyone else who's putting something negative. didn't the Apostle Paul say not to quarrel over stuff like this? I'm not going to sit here and answer your question because I know what comes next you're just going to fight me on it. brother be blessed in Jesus name.
Every time I try to watch Mr. Batchelor, I am turned off by his conceited, self-assured, attitude. I don't see humility. I see cavalier quips about very serious things. I would just say that Paul's advice of not judging another man's servant would be apropos here. True, annihilationism is probably preferable to eternal punishment, but it still misses the point of His-story in the overall narrative arch of the Word. That being: Restoration.
There are 2 Eternal Destination.
Life or Death
1. Eternal LIFE
2. Eternal DEATH
How (what method) or what process does one goes thru to end up with either Eternal Life or Eternal Death.
For Eternal Life (Good people). Jesus will come and resurrect the dead in Christ.
For Eternal Death (Bad people). Jesus could use any of these methods or a combination: hang, drop a bomb, firing squad, Earthquake, Tsunami, flood (like Noah’s time), hail, hailstone, diseases such as aids, gas, starvation, etc. Any one or a combination of these methods could wipe out (causing death) all bad people. Jesus chooses FIRE as a method.
In the Bible, DEATH is the opposite of LIFE.
But the MAJORITY of people/Christians who are alive today DO NOT believe the bible definition that DEATH is the opposite of LIFE. They believe that DEATH is not really DEATH, but just a DIFFERENT FORM/TYPE of LIFE. This is exactly what the snake told Eve in the Garden of Eden, “Ye (Eve/Adam/humans) shall not surely die” Gen 3:4. Therefore it should not surprise anyone that this is still the most popular definition that humans/Christians believe TODAY, about death.
Most people who believe that Death is not really death but only a variation (different form or type) of life, will finally believe (one or a combination) that all bad/evil people
1. Have Eternal LIFE in HELL or burn in hell for all eternity. Contradiction Bible verses such as Rom 6:23 “... wages of SIN is DEATH; but the GIFT of God is ETERNAL LIFE ...”
2. All bad/evil people such as Hitler, will eventually end up in heaven.
3. There is no such notion as Eternal Death
finalewiz I don't see humility in you my friend. Give the man a break. He is just another disordered soul, being used by the Master to convey real, scripturally substantiated truth - in spite of himself. He could be fabulously rich and famous, but chose instead to "suffer affliction with the people of God, rather than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season". What a wonderful spectacle before men and angels - a brand plucked forth from the fire.!
Origen17
Only one way to take this
Thessalonians 1:8-9King James Version (KJV)
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
Gosh, I don't see that at all. I see only humility and a true love for God and humanity in Doug Bachelor's talks. What I see in your post, unfortunately, is nothing but hatred. And as for you, e2sguy? Listen to the video. That'll clear your confusion caused by these translation issues right up.
No one is forcing you to watch him. I totally enjoy his teaching. I was kept in the dark for many years being born in the Catholic religions. I have learned so much from him. I enjoy his soothing voice and his interpretation of the bible. If that doesn't work for you, change the channel.
Acts 20:7
KJV -And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Thank you for the video of the lake of fire and hell thank you for the video