That's a genuinely world-class (quick but useful) review - and no I'm not kidding - of two cars that we're looking at. Really appreciate your view (and Angel's and your car-loving friends) on everything you drive, and this was fun and informative. My wife and I arrived back in NZ 10 years ago and bought a 2005 Fit 1.5 V-Tec with 56K kms as a run-around. We still have it and drive it every single day. 145,000kms now and the only thing we had to fix was one seized brake caliper 3 years ago. Quiet, smooth, fun, the magic seats, and we love it. The new one - especially the RS - is tempting as a town car that's for sure. Thanks guys.
Thanks man yeah I do my best to keep them informative, entertaining and reasonably brief. Glad you enjoyed it and would recommend either as a replacement for sure!
@@KiwiCarLife do you think its enough to have fun in the mountains, i mean just decent fun, looking for something new, love the jazz, have a MINI S now, need more space, but also want fun :)
Great job with your videos as always! Nissan do something similar to the newer Honda Jazz (where the petrol engine is just a generator). Would be keen to see your take on the Nismo Note S E Power if you ever got hold of one for the channel. Cheers!
Yeah it is the Nismo Note S Epower. Cool looking car & the S version is higher spec than the rest & from what i've seen is that they are quicker than the latest Jazz. Driven the Latest Jazz Rs & it is an awesome fun car, only thing that i don't like about it is the front, reminds me of that character from Futurama.
Awesome comparison between the two generations! I have driven both just recently and I have to completely agree! The new RS is a genuinely fun car to drive for car people despite it's main target market! Also that learner BMW driver too, just wow haha...
I finally got a 2023 Jazz RS hybrid a few days ago and really enjoying it. I’m genuinely impressed with the handling, the whole car is very quiet even with the engine running and the fuel economy is fantastic. My last car was a Mazda Familia SP20 2L and before that an MX5. The Jazz is a big upgrade from the Familia. I like the ‘B’ or battery mode around town that allows you to use the regenerative braking. The EV mode seems to kick in a lot so it’s very quiet to drive around town. The only thing I don’t like is the flimsy feeling plastic bumper areas. I guess most new cars feel quite ‘plasticy’. My old Mazda is still going strong at 418000km so will be interesting to see how the Jazz ages, if I keep it that long LOL. I also got myself a genuine Honda spare alloy, so no worries about using the goo stuff provided.
I literally just test drove one of the new Jazz Rs hybrids today. Gotta say, very impressed. It handled well, had good steering feel, not as vague as some small cars, and it seemed very economical. I think this could be a good little all-rounder - great around town, and not too bad on longer trips.
Apparently, you are the only person in the whole English-speaking CarTube, who thought of comparing two generations of the car. It's good to you, but mostly it shows how bad is the state of car channels bloated with useless information
I think part of it is market availability. One is a Japanese market car generally unavailable anywhere else vs NZDM Jazz. NZ is one of the few markets that will even have the option of Fit vs Jazz due to our importing laws
Great review thanks KCL, I'm interested in a Honda hybrid, so enjoyed the comparison. With the older Fit Hybrid, is there any information on how the batteries last, and any way to check the State of Health?
Glad you enjoyed it! And no I don't believe there is any way to do a SOH test, but Hondas aren't known for premature battery wear. By the time they might need replacing the car will be basically worthless anyway
do you have any thoughts on older or newer hybri cross versions of the Fit/Jazz - possible suggestions where I could find some good reviews of the comparisons of the Cross versions with "standard" versions - great review by the way
_Honda Power 💪🏼 _*_AND_*_ economy! … really impressive, considering a VT Commodore 5ltr V8 auto had a claimed 0-100kph of around 7.8-7.9 seconds and triple the economy 😁_ … _-yeh I know not the same class but how times have changed-_
My wife has a 2017 Fit RS Hybrid imported to Ireland from Japan. F**k me it moves. I'm so impressed with it that I'm about to import the 2023 model to replace my 2l Corolla Hybrid GR Sport. Edit: the 0-100 in her car is 7.4 seconds. I'm now thinking her car isn't standard.
Happy owner of the new RS. Bought it when Labour were still doing clean car rebate so got a 3.9k refund on a 37k car ;) Came quite close to buying the pre-facelift but didnt liked the handling and the two spoke steering wheel back then. The RS solved everything! First time test drove the new RS I blasted onto the harbour bridge from the Onewa Road onramp and the differences in handling were really noticeable, and it was a really fun car to chuck into the corners. Just wished they didnt cut out the heated side mirrors or the wireless phone charging of the Luxe models.
Hi mate, nice review. Honda NZ announced Civic 11 coming soon in e:hev trim. I am hesitant about choosing Civic 11 ehev or Accord 10 hybrid (there are a few available in NZ). Any advice from you ? Cheers
Hey man, does the current Jazz Mugen RS (e:HEV) in New Zealand come with any suspension/performance improvement over the normal RS, or is it just body kits?
@@harris4778 just body kit man, personally I’d just get the RS, because when you come to trade the mugen one in it won’t be worth any more particularly so you’ll just throw away the extra you spent on the kit and wheels
Can you choose a different mode to cut out the fake shifting on the new Jazz? I can't imagine why the ice 'generator' would be changing revs like that when you were doing if the electric motor is direct drive - perhaps you could enlighten me?
@KiwiCarLife thanks. I'll have to give one a try. To me, the idea that the ice goes to optimum revs to put maxim power into the battery while the electric motor puts optimum power on the road, seems more logical than the revs changing.
Think they are very similar, the note has an almost identical 0-100. The first gen e12 epower notes are probably the best value for money cars you can buy at the moment.
@KiwiCarLife maybe I havent put it in a right way. Can patrolhead get used to a cvt that has no option of changing gears, and has only one gear? Like how much does is bothers or it doesent feel at all. Im thinking about it in acceleration like transmisson struggles to change a gear as it reaches top rpm, but at the top it stays and never gets changed. That is awful feeling I guess.
@@GandhiBeatzi did - with a First Gen CVT. These feel better. You really need twisty roads where the emphasis is more on handling than only the engine. It helps that the cvt is only the daily and I still have my manual MX5 when I want that fix
@GandhiBeatz yeah I also use my First Gen CVT for twisty road stuff too. It's totally fine buy its a different sort of fun. Like fun chasing down faster stuff in a car enthusiasts write off. I can also get fireballs on "upshift" using the preprogrammed ratios. Let off accelerator just as a go to shift. Completely stupid car lol. I've heard good things about the RX400H
Was very set in my bigger and more powerful petrol (or diesel) engine mind - preferably with a manual gearbox attached! You would hurtle you down the road at great speeds - listening to the roar of all those angry horses lol I'm a hybrid convert these days. Have a 2023 Haval Jolion hybrid. All that electric motor torque at a moments notice, then the petrol engine will kick in without you realising.... the acceleration from a standstill is brilliant! No turbo or supercharger - no lag 😅 still puts a smile on my face! the fuel economy - 5.3l per 100km - for an SUV... just off 1000kms distance per tank around town - due to the electric motor being used more often than the petrol. 😁 While I'm still a petrol head at heart...I'm not sure I'd ever go back to a standard engine setup.
Great review as always, thanks. Glad to see they improved the looks from the egg/bug look that was massively outdated & rather ugly. This 2024 model is much nicer.
Actually testdrove the 2023 Jazz e:HEV, pre-facelift. Drove really naturally coming out of an accord, got excellent fuel economy (3.9L/100K), also pretty quiet. But the merge onto the highway... coming out a similar power Accord you had.. there wasn't enough there. This new model has like 12HP more I think, but still. And then there's the price... 36K euro for the basespec. 40K for a 2023 Civic basespec. Just...Dutch prices man. I can see why Honda struggles here.
That’s nuts man they’re $37,000nzd here. Makes them pretty good value for money. Definitely a little more than the competition but it’s also a nicer car
A Honda Fit hybrid with a 7 speed dual-clutch? That's pretty crazy. As an american watching euro car reviews always feels like these brands are cheating on me
No point to buying this now as MG MG4 only $30990 drive away in Aus + $3500 rebate from WA...This car needed to be around 28k or less to make it attractive.
That's a genuinely world-class (quick but useful) review - and no I'm not kidding - of two cars that we're looking at. Really appreciate your view (and Angel's and your car-loving friends) on everything you drive, and this was fun and informative. My wife and I arrived back in NZ 10 years ago and bought a 2005 Fit 1.5 V-Tec with 56K kms as a run-around. We still have it and drive it every single day. 145,000kms now and the only thing we had to fix was one seized brake caliper 3 years ago. Quiet, smooth, fun, the magic seats, and we love it. The new one - especially the RS - is tempting as a town car that's for sure. Thanks guys.
Thanks man yeah I do my best to keep them informative, entertaining and reasonably brief. Glad you enjoyed it and would recommend either as a replacement for sure!
A happy owner of the new RS, you won't be disappointed
Best review i have seen so far, finally someone who likes "driving" and curves!
Thanks man! Yeah absolutely these perform well. Good fun
@@KiwiCarLife do you think its enough to have fun in the mountains, i mean just decent fun, looking for something new, love the jazz, have a MINI S now, need more space, but also want fun :)
Nice review and comparison, two pretty nice cars, I like that fuel economy figure!
The new model has some clever tech and really zips along!
Thanks man! And yep it’s soooo efficient
Best review I’ve seen for these hybrid model Hondas
Thanks man!
what is the ima system like, would you recomenit tthanks
Great job with your videos as always! Nissan do something similar to the newer Honda Jazz (where the petrol engine is just a generator). Would be keen to see your take on the Nismo Note S E Power if you ever got hold of one for the channel. Cheers!
Yeah it is the Nismo Note S Epower. Cool looking car & the S version is higher spec than the rest & from what i've seen is that they are quicker than the latest Jazz. Driven the Latest Jazz Rs & it is an awesome fun car, only thing that i don't like about it is the front, reminds me of that character from Futurama.
Yeah the nismo note and jazz have similar drivetrains. Would be an interesting comparison for sure!
@@KiwiCarLife, if you can set up a comparison, I'd be very keen to see that.
I am looking forward to picking up mine at the end of the year.
@@pugflyer end of the year? There’s stock available now surely
Yes, but I can't get the money to pay for it until then.
@@pugflyer ohhh yes makes sense well when the time is right I would recommend!
Did you get one?
@@Kiroley yes, in platinum white. An early Xmas present.
Always been a fan of the Jazz since it came out.
They’re great cars
I really wish we had these in Australia...
You can import one 😊
You guys get the civic and accord hybrid though!
@@KiwiCarLife Yeah, at Audi prices tho
Yeah me too. Honda Aus have lost the plot by dropping the jazz from their lineup
Awesome comparison between the two generations! I have driven both just recently and I have to completely agree! The new RS is a genuinely fun car to drive for car people despite it's main target market!
Also that learner BMW driver too, just wow haha...
Yeah honestly I had heaps of fun driving it! Honda still knows how to make a great drivers car.
And yeah they’ve got some “learning” to do!
What is your opinion on the 7 speed DCT on the older model in terms of reliability? Love the kiwi reviews 👌
Errrr they're not the most reliable I must say... definitely make sure to service them regularly
I finally got a 2023 Jazz RS hybrid a few days ago and really enjoying it.
I’m genuinely impressed with the handling, the whole car is very quiet even with the engine running and the fuel economy is fantastic. My last car was a Mazda Familia SP20 2L and before that an MX5. The Jazz is a big upgrade from the Familia.
I like the ‘B’ or battery mode around town that allows you to use the regenerative braking. The EV mode seems to kick in a lot so it’s very quiet to drive around town.
The only thing I don’t like is the flimsy feeling plastic bumper areas.
I guess most new cars feel quite ‘plasticy’.
My old Mazda is still going strong at 418000km so will be interesting to see how the Jazz ages, if I keep it that long LOL.
I also got myself a genuine Honda spare alloy, so no worries about using the goo stuff provided.
@@johnr3150 nice man! You made a good choice these are great cars
I literally just test drove one of the new Jazz Rs hybrids today. Gotta say, very impressed.
It handled well, had good steering feel, not as vague as some small cars, and it seemed very economical. I think this could be a good little all-rounder - great around town, and not too bad on longer trips.
Yeah man definitely agree. I would own one as a daily for sure
@@KiwiCarLife the only issue is the lack of a spare wheel. I’d love a space saver, can you recommend anyone who sells these here in NZ?. Thanks
Apparently, you are the only person in the whole English-speaking CarTube, who thought of comparing two generations of the car. It's good to you, but mostly it shows how bad is the state of car channels bloated with useless information
@@CandidM glad to hear!
I think part of it is market availability. One is a Japanese market car generally unavailable anywhere else vs NZDM Jazz.
NZ is one of the few markets that will even have the option of Fit vs Jazz due to our importing laws
Finally! That is what a am looking for
Yessss
Great review thanks KCL, I'm interested in a Honda hybrid, so enjoyed the comparison.
With the older Fit Hybrid, is there any information on how the batteries last, and any way to check the State of Health?
Glad you enjoyed it! And no I don't believe there is any way to do a SOH test, but Hondas aren't known for premature battery wear. By the time they might need replacing the car will be basically worthless anyway
Any idea how reliable the older gen is with the DCT since you work at a Honda dealership?
Looking at an imported version here in Aus. Many thanks.
They’re ok… but we have replaced a few DCT’s in my time at Honda. They’re definitely not bulletproof like Hondas of old.
do you have any thoughts on older or newer hybri cross versions of the Fit/Jazz - possible suggestions where I could find some good reviews of the comparisons of the Cross versions with "standard" versions - great review by the way
Thanks, the cross and standard ones are barely distinguishable in terms of driving experience frankly
Aww man they ditched the 6MT? I loved the CRZ as a daily
Yeah no more manual sadly. The manual CR-Z and Fit RS they had back in 2011 were cool
Beautiful episode
@@ezrabennett thanks man, you’ll approve of these cars!
_Honda Power 💪🏼 _*_AND_*_ economy! … really impressive, considering a VT Commodore 5ltr V8 auto had a claimed 0-100kph of around 7.8-7.9 seconds and triple the economy 😁_ … _-yeh I know not the same class but how times have changed-_
I know right!
My wife has a 2017 Fit RS Hybrid imported to Ireland from Japan. F**k me it moves. I'm so impressed with it that I'm about to import the 2023 model to replace my 2l Corolla Hybrid GR Sport.
Edit: the 0-100 in her car is 7.4 seconds. I'm now thinking her car isn't standard.
Yeah man they're impressive cars!
Im looking forward to your HRV 2024 review
@@hypasheep hopefully at some point
Happy owner of the new RS. Bought it when Labour were still doing clean car rebate so got a 3.9k refund on a 37k car ;)
Came quite close to buying the pre-facelift but didnt liked the handling and the two spoke steering wheel back then. The RS solved everything! First time test drove the new RS I blasted onto the harbour bridge from the Onewa Road onramp and the differences in handling were really noticeable, and it was a really fun car to chuck into the corners.
Just wished they didnt cut out the heated side mirrors or the wireless phone charging of the Luxe models.
Very nice!
Hi mate, nice review.
Honda NZ announced Civic 11 coming soon in e:hev trim. I am hesitant about choosing Civic 11 ehev or Accord 10 hybrid (there are a few available in NZ).
Any advice from you ?
Cheers
I’d go for the Civic, NZ new and brand new model rather than a few years old. It should be out early 2025
Civic is not the size of the old accord so might as well go with that. Cheaper too.
Hey man, does the current Jazz Mugen RS (e:HEV) in New Zealand come with any suspension/performance improvement over the normal RS, or is it just body kits?
@@harris4778 just body kit man, personally I’d just get the RS, because when you come to trade the mugen one in it won’t be worth any more particularly so you’ll just throw away the extra you spent on the kit and wheels
Can you choose a different mode to cut out the fake shifting on the new Jazz?
I can't imagine why the ice 'generator' would be changing revs like that when you were doing if the electric motor is direct drive - perhaps you could enlighten me?
Nah it does it all the time, to avoid the constant drone of an engine spinning at 6500rpm. I like it, sounds a lot better than a CVT
@KiwiCarLife thanks. I'll have to give one a try. To me, the idea that the ice goes to optimum revs to put maxim power into the battery while the electric motor puts optimum power on the road, seems more logical than the revs changing.
@@JakobusVdL yeah in principle, but would you like to have a rattly 1.5 screaming it’s tits off while overtaking? I wouldn’t HAHA
I wonder how it compares to the Nissan Note, they all look like nice city commuters
Think they are very similar, the note has an almost identical 0-100. The first gen e12 epower notes are probably the best value for money cars you can buy at the moment.
The Jazz is a much “nicer” car but the note is definitely efficient
@@KiwiCarLife Definitely but are 3x the price
Are the 2013/2014 Honda jazz hybrids worth looking at anymore?
Do they get much better fuel economy over a standard jazz.
Are they reliable?
They’re decent although the batteries will be getting old now so might not have much life in them
@@KiwiCarLife understandable. is the ima system in your opinion any good?
Can petrolhead get used to a hybrid, actually cvt?? Never drove one and it seems bothering when it goes without shifting
At least these ones do have “gears” in a way
@KiwiCarLife maybe I havent put it in a right way. Can patrolhead get used to a cvt that has no option of changing gears, and has only one gear? Like how much does is bothers or it doesent feel at all. Im thinking about it in acceleration like transmisson struggles to change a gear as it reaches top rpm, but at the top it stays and never gets changed. That is awful feeling I guess.
@@GandhiBeatzi did - with a First Gen CVT. These feel better. You really need twisty roads where the emphasis is more on handling than only the engine.
It helps that the cvt is only the daily and I still have my manual MX5 when I want that fix
@@christopherjohnston6343 that excatly what I was looking for. RX400H hybrid for daily commute and maybe Prelude for Twistig roads. Thanks
@GandhiBeatz yeah I also use my First Gen CVT for twisty road stuff too. It's totally fine buy its a different sort of fun. Like fun chasing down faster stuff in a car enthusiasts write off. I can also get fireballs on "upshift" using the preprogrammed ratios. Let off accelerator just as a go to shift. Completely stupid car lol.
I've heard good things about the RX400H
Was very set in my bigger and more powerful petrol (or diesel) engine mind - preferably with a manual gearbox attached! You would hurtle you down the road at great speeds - listening to the roar of all those angry horses lol I'm a hybrid convert these days. Have a 2023 Haval Jolion hybrid. All that electric motor torque at a moments notice, then the petrol engine will kick in without you realising.... the acceleration from a standstill is brilliant! No turbo or supercharger - no lag 😅 still puts a smile on my face! the fuel economy - 5.3l per 100km - for an SUV... just off 1000kms distance per tank around town - due to the electric motor being used more often than the petrol. 😁 While I'm still a petrol head at heart...I'm not sure I'd ever go back to a standard engine setup.
@@JamesTheobald-lh6wd fair enough!
Which one does 0-100 faster?
Nissan note e13 or jazz ecvt?
I have no idea tbh, I would assume the Jazz as it has more power
Great review as always, thanks. Glad to see they improved the looks from the egg/bug look that was massively outdated & rather ugly. This 2024 model is much nicer.
Yeah absolutely man!
@@KiwiCarLife hehe I'm actually a girl! My petrolhead tendencies come from my grandmother. She collected vintage cars. :)
Actually testdrove the 2023 Jazz e:HEV, pre-facelift. Drove really naturally coming out of an accord, got excellent fuel economy (3.9L/100K), also pretty quiet.
But the merge onto the highway... coming out a similar power Accord you had.. there wasn't enough there. This new model has like 12HP more I think, but still.
And then there's the price... 36K euro for the basespec. 40K for a 2023 Civic basespec. Just...Dutch prices man. I can see why Honda struggles here.
That’s nuts man they’re $37,000nzd here. Makes them pretty good value for money. Definitely a little more than the competition but it’s also a nicer car
Overpriced everywhere...but then again one could almost say that of all the cars except those from China.
Спасибо большое за контент. Мне очень понравилось!
@@budniyevgeny yes
Great little cars the newest one seems to borrow the technology and concept from a Nismo note e-power. And that is a good thing.
Given Honda launched this style hybrid powertrain in the 2013 accord hybrid, and Nissan released it in 2016 I think Honda came first!
@@KiwiCarLife aah ok i didnt know that. Interesting. My first experience with it is from the Note.
Actually the old fit design looks so nice and good looking than the new Honda fit... The new Honda fit design looks so garbage...
I wouldn’t say garbage… both look good imo
@KiwiCarLife I said latest model looks so garbage than the old one... That's what I m saying
A Honda Fit hybrid with a 7 speed dual-clutch? That's pretty crazy. As an american watching euro car reviews always feels like these brands are cheating on me
Haha yep very weird gearbox for a Honda! They’ve already ditched it haha
Bro the e:hev isn’t driven purely by the motor. It’s highly misleading.
By the motor at most speeds, on the motorway it engages a fixed gear to the engine. No transmission though
Alexander road!
Yep!
Who knew the older fit was as fast as that ! 3-4 secs faster than a current swift, a mitsi asx or some ford Rangers. Lol
You are talking Rs here so for a fair comparison it goes up against the Swift Sport which is about the same at around 8.5sec 0-100kph
Yeah man it’s super quick for what it is!
Both Cars not available in Australia....Honda Australia is useless.
They always claim Australia has small market...Aud55k for Civic eHEV
Yeah I think they had a choice to have either the new HRV or Jazz, they took the HRV. We took the Jazz
Grey imports are available of both
@@8EZ Yes, but could be Aud36k....which have other options
No point to buying this now as MG MG4 only $30990 drive away in Aus + $3500 rebate from WA...This car needed to be around 28k or less to make it attractive.
I'd still rather have this. Much nicer built and far better driving car
@@KiwiCarLife I am Honda fans. But other car manufacturers are improving a lot...Drove MG4 and think it is better car with the price tag
That fake gear-change behaviour of the new car is so cringey.
It is a little but at least it sounds half decent unlike the Civic Type R.
Yeah and I’d much rather it did fake shifts than just smash limiter all day
Aussies don't get these.
Yeah sadly not