@@brianpayne2478 Two blue shades. Shades of gray though start with haze gray, deck grey, machinery grey, and probably others that they have added to ships since I got out and you have a nice pallet. Add some boot top (black) which covers a number of grease marks and the rest I remember as shades of brown. Then complete it with a few very few blue dots for of Chambray (blouse) and denim blue (pants) for tradition and make the damn thing fire resistant and they would have had a useful uniform.
I was in the German Army and worked for a NATO command for a few years in the mid-2000s. I remember getting more and more confused over the years with all the new US uniforms coming in. At the end, the US branches seemed to have more different uniform patterns then many of the European and Canadian forces combined. Needed to look at the flag to be sure which country I was dealing with as the uniforms constantly changed :) Felt like they went a little overboard with this development during this era.
It was because we all know that Germans have a penchant for detail and therefore we were just keeping you off kilter in case round three was on your mind. jk.
I think its simmering down now. Army screwed up with ACUs and I don't see army getting rid of the new OCPs. Navy fucked up with making them blue and melting easily (yikes) both of which have now been fixed, and the Marines love their MARPAT.
Yeah your right because it wasn't stupidly ambitious where it was trying to replace all these different camo patterns in one. The UCP ACU was an example of this hubris trying to replace the BDU and DCU even the artic camo for the Army this was a mistake.
Because when MARPAT came out....it was tested by snipers at sniper school I still have the test cammies.... I still have the original old ass Urban-T uniform... The blueberries and the way the army, navy and air force all wasted a shit ton of money for bullshit uniforms is mind boggling..!! They are as fucked up as a football bat..!!
@@MountaintravelerEddie I was all for getting rid of the utilities. Those things were retarded. I always thought they should have just made the coveralls the standard working uniform and maybe updated them to a more BDU style of cut and material. Shore commands that needed cammies (like the Seabees) should have just done what the Navy has always done and issued them Marine style ones minus the Marine emblems.
Having a unified digital look between branches as a branding image made a bit of sense, and hiding stains also makes sense, the Australian Navy have a similar Navy variant of their camo for example. However the colour is a terrible idea for man overboard situations, and the printing costs of fabric compared to plain Navy Blue fatigues is also a significant expense that is hard to justify with "it hides stains" compared to "we need camo because we're in the field and want to conceal ourselves". IMHO it's far better to have a unified pattern for camo like Britain has with MTP across all branches, and for use where camo isn't necessary have plain Olive Green flight suits for pilots, or plain Navy Blue Navy working uniforms for sailors onboard ships. The branding is more significant, and there's no messing around with different branches adopting different patterns at different periods, the branding image of all services going with a variation of MARPAT was ruined anyway as soon as the USAF decided they wanted a twist on digital and went with a strange tigerstripe (which is at least slightly better performing than UCP).
Eh, I don't think it would have mattered much for man overboard situations. Unless your sailor is wearing bright blaze orange, the only thing you might see (emphasis on might) is just a bobbing head.
Actually if you think about it, if the Marines, Army and Air Force all got their own camouflage patterns, then the Navy could stay with Woodland and still have a unique pattern!
The army's UCP would have been great for the Navy!!!!! it would have blended them into the urban gray on ship and highlighted them if they fell overboard!!!! The army should sell their pattern to the navy!!! LMAO!
The uniform itself while flawed and I personally had many complaints it was a step in the right direction where it was a uniform that was truly a utility uniform where it could use it to do many of the daily task.
All the military is doing is adopting the camouflage they should have adopted fifteen years ago, instead of ripping off the Marines’ ripoff of that cool Canadian compucamo and making it totally useless.
@@olliegoria The Service with the smallest budget figured out what worked, went with that, and stuck with that. The services with the largest budgets replaced uniforms a half dozen times and ultimately went to either a tiny variation on MARPAT.....or what is basically 'modernized woodland'. I had the joy of being in the Corps throughout the other services idiocy....we enjoyed it thoroughly, and noted that every single Corpsman might have had a blueberry or two, but they wore MARPAT all the time.
taccovert4 I bet. A smaller budget usually means you don’t exactly have room to dick around for two years experimenting with camos just to scrap it all and blow $5 billion on what was basically a shitty urban camo
@@taccovert4 MARPAT also doubles as a great recruiting/advertising tool. It's unique, effective, and looks cool. It makes marines stand out and appeals to recruits.
The Blue NWU looks damn good. I didnt know the NAVY wore the SKY Camo BDU . I thought it never got adopted it was worn by the PLA - People's Liberation Army of China. I wonder if any ever wore Urban Camo . I know Night Urban was worn by Special Operations.
The "tatical sleeve pocket" was only good for one thing. It's more commonly referred to as "the dip pocket" because it's the only thing that sailors would use the pocket for.
Ideal uniform for all branches: take the cut of the nwu type ii/iii and make them in desert and woodland marpat. Collar integrates well with body armor, Marines can use their collar rank while in garrison and have removable hook and loop patches for field/training, hook and loop on sleeves works for the army patches, army and air force get camo that actually works, and the cut of the uniform allows for sleeve rolling.
Graduated Navy bootcamp January 18th of this year. I love my NWU3s but all the other sailors loved the NWU2s for some reason. I guess because we look like Army GIs now and the blue NWUs made us more unique and distinct.
You should really dig into AOR1 and 2s history it is really fascinating and worthy of a stand alone video. Especially AOR2 and why it is verticle and AOR1 is Horizontal.
The NWU blue digital had a experimental type that if salt water soaked it would become bright orange so if you fell overboard youd be able to be spotted quickly. However, with salt water mist in the air and sailors being naturally belligerent towards each other (throwing salt water on each other) the Navy decided not to go that way
There were some of the more gray dominate pairs of NWU's floating around and being sold by the NEX. I've seen sailors that joined in 2016 that had some. It wasn't super obvious until they wore a mis-matched set (blue dominant blouse with gray dominant trousers or vice versa).
When type 3s first came out I saw them on sale on ebay marketed as "SEAL camo" a lot even though until the whole navy switched over Seabees were the most common wearers of it!
I completely remember the rollout of NWUs to the fleet. The west coast got the roll out last, and i remember a couple of new check-in Airmen getting fucked over on their clothing allowance and issuing of those uniforms. Meanwhile the rest of us that were still wearing utilities got a sudden $300 drop in our accounts and told to go buy $450 worth of uniforms and be seabag inspection ready by some date in December (maybe it was January). Imagine all of NASWI bumrushing the NEX for new uniforms like it was toilet paper in 2020. It all got smoothed out and I loved wearing my blueberries aside from the immediate recognizing of it's flaws (the color scheme wasn't good for man overboard, and the material was flammable).
Adding on to what PINKY Zz has mentioned about United States Naval Sea Cadet Corps and Master-at-Arms Training at runtime 3:14, is correct. I will also add at runtime 5:11, that is USNSCC Master-at-Arms Training as well, and one of the female Cadets of the two at that time stamp of 5:11, is one of my prior Cadets from my Unit. I was her Commanding Officer. I was surprised when I saw her in this video. I wasn't expecting it. My first time ever veiwing this video. Good job by the way on your coverage of this topic.
I think the camo looks cool but not a good idea to wear out in the sea due to the fact of not being found. But as a night camo would be interesting to see it be used.
I’ve never understood the appeal of unnaturally dark camouflage for night use. If you want to blend in with a dimly moonlit environment wouldn’t you want to match the colors of that environment? Foliage doesn’t turn blue in the absence of sunlight so why would you?
What’s interesting about the NWU type 1 test B is I saw it at a surplus store with the label “test B” and the noticeable difference is that it has a chest epaulette for the rank rather than a collar rank
You should make an indepth video on AOR1 and AOR2 since they were derived from earlier patterns used by Delta. There are over 10 different prototypes that were called Digi or DG before they went with the AOR2 colours. Similarly they also tested Universal AOR which was almost like a Digital Multicam. Even some of the DG variants, DG3 and DG3A were similar in that they used AOR2 colours but replaced black with dark brown. There are many test pieces that were made and issued to SEALS that were made of these different prototype fabrics.
I will add this to the NDUBS problems, it also makes you invisible to drivers at night. The Taxi drivers servicing NNPTC refused to drive over 20 on base because on of them hit us for that reason.
I agree with other commentators on this channel and their comments about nylon and the Falklands when we lost some ships in the conflict, The biggest problem is nylon (only good up to 60 degrees C) and fusing itself onto a person's body. I am sure everyone can visualise the horror our plastic surgeons faced when trying to heal severe burns when they're fused onto plastic. For us who were in the military at the time it was really etched into our Armed Services' 'corporate' memory that pure Wool 'Woolly Pullies' were best. At the time the Nylon versions disappeared when our Armed Forces re-equipped with the pure wool version which was only given when you had to replace your Woolly Pully due to wear and tear. The one conciliation that the U.S Navy personnel can be grateful for, is they found it before a major incident. It is amazing how developers can have tunnel vision and miss the obvious. The biggest challenge any military faces is keeping 'corporate memory' up to date and remember how our fathers/grandfathers overcame a given challenge in WWII etc. One of the things we Brits forgot when we were landing at San Carlos we had barrage balloons sitting in a hangar at Abingdon these were used during WWII on D-day to protect our ships!
Camo for the navy... because its truly important to be camouflaged whenever you are in a ship, in the middle of the ocean... its not like seamen go overboard and could need to be rescued
This kind of thing happens when you give the services too much money to spend, and the people making decisions are totally disconnected from what the rank of file of the service are up to.
@@genericusername769 yup, thats why i mentioned being on a ship. I mean the most famous example, the SEALs do a lot of direct action missions inland. And as you mentioned, anyone stationed in land (or performing duties on base) then camo it makes sense. For anyone deployed on a ship camo, specially blue camo is dumb.
@@Fede_uyz agreed, in my opinion every branch should just share a camo for land duties (lkle woodland back in the day) and in places like ships and airfields they should wear a standard coverall or something keep it simple
After I left active duty with the Marines, I started working on one of the Navy bases where they began testing their so called 'new aquaflage'. We'd already seen the Marines MARPAT since there we had the Marine barracks and the AIMD. When the Navy started to roll out the "BlueBerries', reactions were, one could say, interesting.
Actually NWU II/III has some difference between AOR 1&2 NWU II/III have "watermark" of the A.C.E. on it but AORs didnt and the colour is a little bit different between NWUs and AORs
I was issued type 1s (late version that apparently was lighter weight than the original) and then had to wear type 3s after the change over. The type 1s were way more comfortable and fit better than the 3s. It is very hard to look good wearing the baggier type 3s. They also were horrible at hiding stains if you were a maintainer of any kind. I had one pair of 1s last a whole year where as I was on my 3rd set of the 3s by the end of one year simply from staining doing maintenance. Wish we just got the all blue coast guard working uniform.
I was in the first push though boot camp in June 09' that were issued NWUs, loved them except for the buttons and lack of Velcro.. I wish they would of just updated to aquaflage type III for shipboard personnel, and issued the black/green NWU type III to expeditionary and Seabees..
Overdesigning? Not even, they underdesign and then overhaul until they get it right after too many tries. We'll be back to shitty unusable uniforms by the next war, and then the cycle starts all over.
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My biggest concern is, it has been three minutes since the last uni change for the Navy. If the Navy is not careful, getting ready to fight a war with China or Russia, will get in the way of the next uniform change. Hopefully, what ever uni change comes, the working uniform won't make the wearer look like a sailor.
I think that the best pattern for the Navy would be gray dominant with touches of brown to hide stains. Or maybe just a solid brownish gray to reduce costs.
We should have poopy suits, PTUs, and dress uniforms. Wear the Dixie cup with all of 'em or command ball cap and be done. That would lighten the seabag (like they have been saying they want to do for years now). If you want to add in a tactical uniform for units that do that type of stuff then throw in the marine uniform with a U.S. Navy nametape like they already do for the FMF guys. They won't do any of this though because there's too much money for some retired officer to make by convincing the Navy to change their uniforms every few years.
and as an update, the Navy has recently finished testing a new working uniform that will eventually replace the coveralls in most cases and standardize the uniforms with something that isn't going to melt to sailor's skin and go up like an oil lamp. What's the camo pattern you ask? There isn't one. The new 2 uniform retains the cut of the NWU for the most part but is a simple dark blue for lower enlisted, and khaki for upper (E6 and up I think) enlisted ranks. No more stupid camo. It's ironic that the Navy basically decided after wasting millions of dollars, to just do what the Coast Guard had been doing for like 20 years at this point. Simple dark blue working uniform to hide dirt and stains until it can be laundered.
@@matthewtenorioduenas202 We don't have coveralls as a uniform. We just have cheap blue coveralls we use when we're doing dirty work. Hes wearing the Coast Guard's Operational Dress Uniform. He's also got a Gold Cutterman Insignia over his left breast pocket, which means he's probably spent many years at sea and knows his shit.
Don't forget, there was a short time we were authorised to wear the "light weight" type 1 uniform for tropical areas, although it was a waste as we were switching over to type 3's litterally a couple months later, oh how fun it was fighting for uniforms at the nex, all around I liked the type 3, but I still dont know the use of that stupid shoulder pocket
Would you ever cover Russian patterns like VSR-98 or EMR1? Better yet even make a video on the Ratnik program and the gear and equipment associated with that?
4:58 Do they still use the ALICE belt for not combat wear? The white makes sense because they'd probably still have some left over and they're cheap, but OD green seems outdated, especially since none (as far as I'm aware) of America's armed forces still use the ALICE webbing
I'm an Air Force guy so just an outsider's opinion. Since there's really little need to camouflage sailors working on ships, how about the same uniform, except solid dark blue pants and solid light blue shirts. They'd be an homage to the old-school chambray work shirts and dungarees. They'd be upgraded and functional and guys would look like sailors. The types of guys that really need camouflage tend to end up wearing whatever they want anyway.
AOR1 pattern retains the horizontal lay out, never been in vertical. In a few seconds glance, you can't tell the difference from MARPAT Desert pattern.
That's what i was thinking about. Whats the real difference between the D. Marpat and the AOR1? Some people say the Marpat is more orange and the AOR1 more Brown, but never had seen none of them with my own eyes
@@paulovitor9388 The AOR1 has more intense in the dark brown portion and the tan/beige backdrop part of AOR1 is not the same as Desert MARPAT, more pinkish just a bit. The only way you can separate them apart is by the cut of those battle dresses, different styles.
No more aquaflage patterns, because nobody wants to get lost at sea! Stick to NWU Type II/III instead and because they're more comfortable than the type 1's!
Something I hoped you'd go over was explaining how aor1 and 2 weren't just marpat. Like what's the difference other than the pattern being printed sideways? Is one more effective? I'm somewhat colorblind so I can't really see a difference lol
@@Bulls3ye86 And? That doesn't change my that what I said is a fact. It is what we thought that the Army copied the Marines and transitioned to a digital pattern because we did.
Regarding the two woodland camo options (dominant blue and dominant gray), how can you tell the difference? They look exactly the same to me. I'm looking to buy both the pants and the coat (the Propper versions) for a cosplay project I'm working on, but I can't seem to figure out what the difference is, and if I can't tell the difference, I'm worried sellers on eBay won't know the difference either. Are they very different when you can see them in person? 'Cos on eBay, the ones marked blue and the ones marked gray seem exactly the same.
Lets not forget how Navy personnel operating in the middle east weren't allowed to wear the Navy desert camo because the Marines thought it looked to much like MARPAT. It is limited to SpecWar units.
My dad was pissed when the blueberries where introduced and commands made them mandatory, I still think the old school uniforms look best but the blueberries are more navy than NW3s
Navy guy here. Yea, we should all be given desert or woodland camo depending on where we are. Never have I needed to be tactical and hide in the ocean. And never have I seen an environment where that monstrosity the Air Force wears would blend into. Give us all the marine cammies and sew the branch and insignia on. If we *need* identity, give us individual hats and boots.
Jonathan Baird I teach for the navy. I see marines and sailors, and occasionally soldiers, fresh out of boot camp/ fresh out of high school. I have yet to meet one who told me they chose the Branch based on the uniform.
Cost effective if every branch wore the same uniform. Added bonus in combat conditions; the enemy never know what kind of troops they are up against? Elite Marines or Seals, or support troops, who are not skilled in combat.
A couple complaints of the blueberries were that they faded at different rates and the cuts/sizing were terrible. The MARPATS are much better and comfortable (less baggy). I liked the prior utilities, save for coffee stains; I never had to do painting though. Oh, and there might be another uniform on its way: www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2019/02/25/new-uniforms-revealed-fashionable-and-free/
I can't believe the Navy didn't test the flammability of the blue cammies before issuing them. Seems like a huge oversight.
Considering that is a much more likely hazard to them than enemy small arms fire.
I can’t believe the navy has camouflage. They’re (mostly) on water. How many shades of blue, is required? Lol
@@brianpayne2478 Two blue shades. Shades of gray though start with haze gray, deck grey, machinery grey, and probably others that they have added to ships since I got out and you have a nice pallet. Add some boot top (black) which covers a number of grease marks and the rest I remember as shades of brown. Then complete it with a few very few blue dots for of Chambray (blouse) and denim blue (pants) for tradition and make the damn thing fire resistant and they would have had a useful uniform.
@@brianpayne2478 Next time pay attention to the video and you may actually get your answer.
Most Navy personnel at sea wore the blue coveralls and those that did fire fighting wore FFE not NWUs.
I was in the German Army and worked for a NATO command for a few years in the mid-2000s. I remember getting more and more confused over the years with all the new US uniforms coming in. At the end, the US branches seemed to have more different uniform patterns then many of the European and Canadian forces combined. Needed to look at the flag to be sure which country I was dealing with as the uniforms constantly changed :) Felt like they went a little overboard with this development during this era.
It was because we all know that Germans have a penchant for detail and therefore we were just keeping you off kilter in case round three was on your mind. jk.
The U.S. Navy itself has more uniforms than all the other branches combined!
Sorry, we just like showing off our capacity to waste tax dollars.
Marines got it right the first time
I think its simmering down now. Army screwed up with ACUs and I don't see army getting rid of the new OCPs. Navy fucked up with making them blue and melting easily (yikes) both of which have now been fixed, and the Marines love their MARPAT.
Navy has blueberry camo,
People: lmfao, where are you gonna blend into, the sea?
Navy picks up green camo
People: Lmfao, stay in the water
Navy: -_-
They literally want to make everyone into “ marine “
US air-force should stay with the grey tiger stripes & US National with UCP
I feel like Marpat is the only uniform that seemed to worked from the begining
Yeah your right because it wasn't stupidly ambitious where it was trying to replace all these different camo patterns in one. The UCP ACU was an example of this hubris trying to replace the BDU and DCU even the artic camo for the Army this was a mistake.
The Army did have one that worked but the Army wanted to build there own in house so they ignored the Multicam pattern.
The NWU probably would end up working too well
Because when MARPAT came out....it was tested by snipers at sniper school
I still have the test cammies....
I still have the original old ass Urban-T uniform...
The blueberries and the way the army, navy and air force all wasted a shit ton of money for bullshit uniforms is mind boggling..!!
They are as fucked up as a football bat..!!
@@MountaintravelerEddie I was all for getting rid of the utilities. Those things were retarded. I always thought they should have just made the coveralls the standard working uniform and maybe updated them to a more BDU style of cut and material. Shore commands that needed cammies (like the Seabees) should have just done what the Navy has always done and issued them Marine style ones minus the Marine emblems.
Having a unified digital look between branches as a branding image made a bit of sense, and hiding stains also makes sense, the Australian Navy have a similar Navy variant of their camo for example.
However the colour is a terrible idea for man overboard situations, and the printing costs of fabric compared to plain Navy Blue fatigues is also a significant expense that is hard to justify with "it hides stains" compared to "we need camo because we're in the field and want to conceal ourselves".
IMHO it's far better to have a unified pattern for camo like Britain has with MTP across all branches, and for use where camo isn't necessary have plain Olive Green flight suits for pilots, or plain Navy Blue Navy working uniforms for sailors onboard ships. The branding is more significant, and there's no messing around with different branches adopting different patterns at different periods, the branding image of all services going with a variation of MARPAT was ruined anyway as soon as the USAF decided they wanted a twist on digital and went with a strange tigerstripe (which is at least slightly better performing than UCP).
Eh, I don't think it would have mattered much for man overboard situations. Unless your sailor is wearing bright blaze orange, the only thing you might see (emphasis on might) is just a bobbing head.
Actually if you think about it, if the Marines, Army and Air Force all got their own camouflage patterns, then the Navy could stay with Woodland and still have a unique pattern!
Then they could say, “our woodland uniforms aren’t old, they’re vintage.” 🙂
The army's UCP would have been great for the Navy!!!!! it would have blended them into the urban gray on ship and highlighted them if they fell overboard!!!! The army should sell their pattern to the navy!!! LMAO!
would hide numbers of men on a ship too if someone was looking at them through IR or NV
Nah, would be way to easy, jk😉😂
I voted for the gray digitals back when they were doing the TFU survey. Made a lot more sense to me.
Just add black to the UCP and it can even hide stains.
That's actually not a bad idea.
As many problems as it had, I always liked how the Blueberries looked.
The uniform itself while flawed and I personally had many complaints it was a step in the right direction where it was a uniform that was truly a utility uniform where it could use it to do many of the daily task.
And they were great for dirty work. The uniform never stained. I feel bad for AMs. One day at work and their type threes are roasted.
yup, my type 1s hid so much hazmat stains from the main spaces
Seriously how do you not have more subscribers? Your videos are very descriptive and detailed, love the content brother, keep it up =]
I love how every branch wanted their own unique uniform and after that major screw up, all, apart from the Marines, have a variation of Crye multicam
All the military is doing is adopting the camouflage they should have adopted fifteen years ago, instead of ripping off the Marines’ ripoff of that cool Canadian compucamo and making it totally useless.
@@olliegoria The Service with the smallest budget figured out what worked, went with that, and stuck with that. The services with the largest budgets replaced uniforms a half dozen times and ultimately went to either a tiny variation on MARPAT.....or what is basically 'modernized woodland'. I had the joy of being in the Corps throughout the other services idiocy....we enjoyed it thoroughly, and noted that every single Corpsman might have had a blueberry or two, but they wore MARPAT all the time.
taccovert4 I bet. A smaller budget usually means you don’t exactly have room to dick around for two years experimenting with camos just to scrap it all and blow $5 billion on what was basically a shitty urban camo
@@taccovert4 MARPAT also doubles as a great recruiting/advertising tool. It's unique, effective, and looks cool. It makes marines stand out and appeals to recruits.
We had our own uniforms and they ruined it when the camo shit started.
A solid blue or solid grey would have been perfectly serviceable, why even bother with a pattern? they wanted to blend in with the ship...
I wish we could just get the coast guards two pice short sleeve navy blue work uniform. It’s the most practical solution for our daily lives.
A solid color would work. But then someone would complain that personnel were hiding in plain sight from their superiors.
At the start of this video it seemed the woodland patterns blended better in the ship.
The Blue NWU looks damn good. I didnt know the NAVY wore the SKY Camo BDU . I thought it never got adopted it was worn by the PLA - People's Liberation Army of China. I wonder if any ever wore Urban Camo . I know Night Urban was worn by Special Operations.
The "tatical sleeve pocket" was only good for one thing. It's more commonly referred to as "the dip pocket" because it's the only thing that sailors would use the pocket for.
I actually really like the bright green uniforms. They stand out against the water and match the maritime aesthetic.
Ideal uniform for all branches: take the cut of the nwu type ii/iii and make them in desert and woodland marpat. Collar integrates well with body armor, Marines can use their collar rank while in garrison and have removable hook and loop patches for field/training, hook and loop on sleeves works for the army patches, army and air force get camo that actually works, and the cut of the uniform allows for sleeve rolling.
Isaac Housley that’s a brilliant idea that’s what they should have done from the beginning and how does This comment not have more likes it needs more
No way, dude. That would be too simple and cost effective for government to do.
Only the US military could squander this much time and money.
Yeah I hate all the different camos we have for each branch but there is talk of everyone going to the OCP.
@@rannenw6207 Already did.
That sorta irish guy fuck no we won’t
Mike Williamson no we didn’t
Mike Williamson no only us army and air force use OCP. Marines use Marpat and the navy uses aor.
Graduated Navy bootcamp January 18th of this year. I love my NWU3s but all the other sailors loved the NWU2s for some reason. I guess because we look like Army GIs now and the blue NWUs made us more unique and distinct.
NWU Type I, not Type II, II is used by NSW and is desert.
I remember these in boot camp '05. A lot of the staff and RDCs wore the woodland variant
You should really dig into AOR1 and 2s history it is really fascinating and worthy of a stand alone video. Especially AOR2 and why it is verticle and AOR1 is Horizontal.
The NWU blue digital had a experimental type that if salt water soaked it would become bright orange so if you fell overboard youd be able to be spotted quickly. However, with salt water mist in the air and sailors being naturally belligerent towards each other (throwing salt water on each other) the Navy decided not to go that way
Dalton Pritchard that is sad because that is such a good idea, however, what about freshwater?
That is just scuttlebutt.
@@Hadduck my brother was issued an experimental uniform. It looks fucking ridiculous. All orange and chemical smelling.
There were some of the more gray dominate pairs of NWU's floating around and being sold by the NEX. I've seen sailors that joined in 2016 that had some. It wasn't super obvious until they wore a mis-matched set (blue dominant blouse with gray dominant trousers or vice versa).
When type 3s first came out I saw them on sale on ebay marketed as "SEAL camo" a lot even though until the whole navy switched over Seabees were the most common wearers of it!
I was wondering how blue camouflage is supposed to work.
Answer: It doesn't. We just thought blue looks cool.
The only reasons for the camo was to look "cool" and hide stains.
If anything, proper navy camo would be solid grey, to blend in with the ship's infrastructure.
I completely remember the rollout of NWUs to the fleet. The west coast got the roll out last, and i remember a couple of new check-in Airmen getting fucked over on their clothing allowance and issuing of those uniforms. Meanwhile the rest of us that were still wearing utilities got a sudden $300 drop in our accounts and told to go buy $450 worth of uniforms and be seabag inspection ready by some date in December (maybe it was January). Imagine all of NASWI bumrushing the NEX for new uniforms like it was toilet paper in 2020. It all got smoothed out and I loved wearing my blueberries aside from the immediate recognizing of it's flaws (the color scheme wasn't good for man overboard, and the material was flammable).
Adding on to what PINKY Zz has mentioned about United States Naval Sea Cadet Corps and Master-at-Arms Training at runtime 3:14, is correct. I will also add at runtime 5:11, that is USNSCC Master-at-Arms Training as well, and one of the female Cadets of the two at that time stamp of 5:11, is one of my prior Cadets from my Unit. I was her Commanding Officer. I was surprised when I saw her in this video. I wasn't expecting it. My first time ever veiwing this video. Good job by the way on your coverage of this topic.
What Unit are you in charge of?- CPO Forrestal Squadron TX
The dark blues and grays would actually make the NWU an ideal night camouflage.
Pavel the Fabulous agreed
I think the camo looks cool but not a good idea to wear out in the sea due to the fact of not being found. But as a night camo would be interesting to see it be used.
I’ve never understood the appeal of unnaturally dark camouflage for night use. If you want to blend in with a dimly moonlit environment wouldn’t you want to match the colors of that environment? Foliage doesn’t turn blue in the absence of sunlight so why would you?
@@nickybobby9317 Yeah, it would have no practical use, but it's nice for standing on top of a building at night like Batman.
5:04 "MC PON I think this is good news." Goddammit that acting is so terrible its amazing.
I use aor2 for airsoft and absolutely love it, in a greenish and/or in a little shady woodland enviroment it fits almost perfectly
What’s interesting about the NWU type 1 test B is I saw it at a surplus store with the label “test B” and the noticeable difference is that it has a chest epaulette for the rank rather than a collar rank
You should make an indepth video on AOR1 and AOR2 since they were derived from earlier patterns used by Delta. There are over 10 different prototypes that were called Digi or DG before they went with the AOR2 colours. Similarly they also tested Universal AOR which was almost like a Digital Multicam. Even some of the DG variants, DG3 and DG3A were similar in that they used AOR2 colours but replaced black with dark brown. There are many test pieces that were made and issued to SEALS that were made of these different prototype fabrics.
I will add this to the NDUBS problems, it also makes you invisible to drivers at night. The Taxi drivers servicing NNPTC refused to drive over 20 on base because on of them hit us for that reason.
(Air Force here) the Navy Blue pattern was actually pretty cool! The Air Force ABU is still the worst out of all of them!
I'm not military but I like the Blue Cammo. I think they look cool.
In Uruguay we use a slightly different version of the AOR for the army
The guacamole camo
Glad they are finally giving it to the big Navy, stuff works great. Wonder what nsw will change to so that they can remain different? Lol.
@Giovanni Love you don't want blue when you go into the drink. Hard to find the dummies when they have orange vests on.
I’m in the USNSCC. We finally got the new type IIIs and their great!
I agree with other commentators on this channel and their comments about nylon and the Falklands when we lost some ships in the conflict, The biggest problem is nylon (only good up to 60 degrees C) and fusing itself onto a person's body. I am sure everyone can visualise the horror our plastic surgeons faced when trying to heal severe burns when they're fused onto plastic. For us who were in the military at the time it was really etched into our Armed Services' 'corporate' memory that pure Wool 'Woolly Pullies' were best. At the time the Nylon versions disappeared when our Armed Forces re-equipped with the pure wool version which was only given when you had to replace your Woolly Pully due to wear and tear. The one conciliation that the U.S Navy personnel can be grateful for, is they found it before a major incident. It is amazing how developers can have tunnel vision and miss the obvious. The biggest challenge any military faces is keeping 'corporate memory' up to date and remember how our fathers/grandfathers overcame a given challenge in WWII etc. One of the things we Brits forgot when we were landing at San Carlos we had barrage balloons sitting in a hangar at Abingdon these were used during WWII on D-day to protect our ships!
Hey, I recognize that shoreline at 5:20, thats Djibouti City
Happy to be out of that shithole.
@@d3xt3rgangstar Hell yeah brother
XD probably smells like Djibouti too if it was a shit hole lmao
"Man overboard!" "Where?" "Dunno, he's wearing blueberry fatigues!" Did those admirals think this up when they were "three sheets to the wind?"🍻⚓
I know the new solid navy uniform isn't camo, but it was worth a mention to say the navy has A TON of uniforms and at some times its a little wild
Camo for the navy... because its truly important to be camouflaged whenever you are in a ship, in the middle of the ocean... its not like seamen go overboard and could need to be rescued
This kind of thing happens when you give the services too much money to spend, and the people making decisions are totally disconnected from what the rank of file of the service are up to.
I thought it just got swallowed. Or was my cousin full of shit?
There's plenty of land based navy units that need camo uniforms like Seabees it makes sense to have one. Shipboard it never made sense for sure lol
@@genericusername769 yup, thats why i mentioned being on a ship. I mean the most famous example, the SEALs do a lot of direct action missions inland. And as you mentioned, anyone stationed in land (or performing duties on base) then camo it makes sense. For anyone deployed on a ship camo, specially blue camo is dumb.
@@Fede_uyz agreed, in my opinion every branch should just share a camo for land duties (lkle woodland back in the day) and in places like ships and airfields they should wear a standard coverall or something keep it simple
I still get flashbacks when I see red ropes...
After I left active duty with the Marines, I started working on one of the Navy bases where they began testing their so called 'new aquaflage'. We'd already seen the Marines MARPAT since there we had the Marine barracks and the AIMD. When the Navy started to roll out the "BlueBerries', reactions were, one could say, interesting.
Actually NWU II/III has some difference between AOR 1&2 NWU II/III have "watermark" of the A.C.E. on it but AORs didnt
and the colour is a little bit different between NWUs and AORs
I was issued type 1s (late version that apparently was lighter weight than the original) and then had to wear type 3s after the change over. The type 1s were way more comfortable and fit better than the 3s. It is very hard to look good wearing the baggier type 3s. They also were horrible at hiding stains if you were a maintainer of any kind. I had one pair of 1s last a whole year where as I was on my 3rd set of the 3s by the end of one year simply from staining doing maintenance. Wish we just got the all blue coast guard working uniform.
Great video series.
What a great example of how to waste a lot of money for no real gain.
Need to become a US military supplier.
I was in the first push though boot camp in June 09' that were issued NWUs, loved them except for the buttons and lack of Velcro.. I wish they would of just updated to aquaflage type III for shipboard personnel, and issued the black/green NWU type III to expeditionary and Seabees..
The US Armed Forces: Masters of over designing a uniform
Overdesigning? Not even, they underdesign and then overhaul until they get it right after too many tries. We'll be back to shitty unusable uniforms by the next war, and then the cycle starts all over.
Have shitty dress blues
i never knew there was an uwu uniform
goddamn dyslexic furries
@@olliegoria is your pfp Papa Flannel?
@@abigailsaoirsefinnegan It's whoever's in that old "the violence has escalated" meme. I think someone else said it was Garand Thumb.
@@olliegoria I'm pretty sure that's Papa Flannel
@@abigailsaoirsefinnegan Alrighty. Again, I don't actually know
Interesting video on The United States Navy Camouflage Pattern Uniform ( NWU). I Am Prior Service USMC and US Army, and, I learned a lot from this video. Thanks for the Information and Intelligence (I2)!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🗽🔫
I always thought it was a great idea to put sailors in seafoam pattern camo.
My biggest concern is, it has been three minutes since the last uni change for the Navy. If the Navy is not careful, getting ready to fight a war with China or Russia, will get in the way of the next uniform change. Hopefully, what ever uni change comes, the working uniform won't make the wearer look like a sailor.
I think that the best pattern for the Navy would be gray dominant with touches of brown to hide stains. Or maybe just a solid brownish gray to reduce costs.
The Volksmarine used bright orange for their sailors.
Makes too much sense, can't do that here.
So glad I don’t wear blueberries anymore. There was nothing good to say about that uniform. I wore coveralls every chance I could.
I don't know if they're "Authorized" or if they even care about such things, but CAG had/has access to AOR1 as well.
Thanks for sharing !
We should have poopy suits, PTUs, and dress uniforms. Wear the Dixie cup with all of 'em or command ball cap and be done. That would lighten the seabag (like they have been saying they want to do for years now). If you want to add in a tactical uniform for units that do that type of stuff then throw in the marine uniform with a U.S. Navy nametape like they already do for the FMF guys. They won't do any of this though because there's too much money for some retired officer to make by convincing the Navy to change their uniforms every few years.
and as an update, the Navy has recently finished testing a new working uniform that will eventually replace the coveralls in most cases and standardize the uniforms with something that isn't going to melt to sailor's skin and go up like an oil lamp. What's the camo pattern you ask?
There isn't one. The new 2 uniform retains the cut of the NWU for the most part but is a simple dark blue for lower enlisted, and khaki for upper (E6 and up I think) enlisted ranks. No more stupid camo. It's ironic that the Navy basically decided after wasting millions of dollars, to just do what the Coast Guard had been doing for like 20 years at this point. Simple dark blue working uniform to hide dirt and stains until it can be laundered.
I'm a US League cadet, and I've seen the type I and Type III but I've never really seen a type II uniform in person before
The Philippine Coast Guard uses a similar blue NWU pattern. The Philippine Navy uses a gray NWU.
3:37 Why is there a Coastie hanging out on a Navy Bridge? Probably teaching the QMs to navigate properly.
Nooope. Probably navy and cg have the same coveralls
@@matthewtenorioduenas202 We don't have coveralls as a uniform. We just have cheap blue coveralls we use when we're doing dirty work. Hes wearing the Coast Guard's Operational Dress Uniform. He's also got a Gold Cutterman Insignia over his left breast pocket, which means he's probably spent many years at sea and knows his shit.
@@John_NJDM Id really know. I'm a sailor but i'm not sure if coasties go aboard with navy
I honestly don’t know why the Navy couldn’t have just switched out their old tan working uniforms for solid navy blue.
Don't forget, there was a short time we were authorised to wear the "light weight" type 1 uniform for tropical areas, although it was a waste as we were switching over to type 3's litterally a couple months later, oh how fun it was fighting for uniforms at the nex, all around I liked the type 3, but I still dont know the use of that stupid shoulder pocket
I think it was mostly used for cigarettes but I usually just put mine in the cargo pockets on the trousers.
I liked my dungarees and Dixie Cup. Used the dungarees for several years afterwards when I worked as a mechanic until they wore out.
Would you ever cover Russian patterns like VSR-98 or EMR1? Better yet even make a video on the Ratnik program and the gear and equipment associated with that?
I liked the blue ones except hated the material. They were like wearing denim.
I love the type 3’s overall.
thank you
Watching this while wearing the type 1 NWUs on the way to work.
So, are they using the NWU Type III now or has that been discontinued too?
4:58 Do they still use the ALICE belt for not combat wear? The white makes sense because they'd probably still have some left over and they're cheap, but OD green seems outdated, especially since none (as far as I'm aware) of America's armed forces still use the ALICE webbing
I'm an Air Force guy so just an outsider's opinion. Since there's really little need to camouflage sailors working on ships, how about the same uniform, except solid dark blue pants and solid light blue shirts. They'd be an homage to the old-school chambray work shirts and dungarees. They'd be upgraded and functional and guys would look like sailors. The types of guys that really need camouflage tend to end up wearing whatever they want anyway.
AOR1 pattern retains the horizontal lay out, never been in vertical. In a few seconds glance, you can't tell the difference from MARPAT Desert pattern.
That's what i was thinking about. Whats the real difference between the D. Marpat and the AOR1? Some people say the Marpat is more orange and the AOR1 more Brown, but never had seen none of them with my own eyes
@@paulovitor9388 The AOR1 has more intense in the dark brown portion and the tan/beige backdrop part of AOR1 is not the same as Desert MARPAT, more pinkish just a bit.
The only way you can separate them apart is by the cut of those battle dresses, different styles.
No more aquaflage patterns, because nobody wants to get lost at sea! Stick to NWU Type II/III instead and because they're more comfortable than the type 1's!
The Royal Navy: Cries in car mechanic overalls
Something I hoped you'd go over was explaining how aor1 and 2 weren't just marpat. Like what's the difference other than the pattern being printed sideways? Is one more effective? I'm somewhat colorblind so I can't really see a difference lol
I ACTUALLY LIKED THE BLUE CAMO
I was in the Marines, and we always felt like the other branches were trying to copy us without actually copying us.
I mean, you copied Canada so...
@@Bulls3ye86 And? That doesn't change my that what I said is a fact. It is what we thought that the Army copied the Marines and transitioned to a digital pattern because we did.
@@TheBattleRabbit860 Yeah, that's true. I'm just saying...
A bunch of other countries
Regarding the two woodland camo options (dominant blue and dominant gray), how can you tell the difference? They look exactly the same to me. I'm looking to buy both the pants and the coat (the Propper versions) for a cosplay project I'm working on, but I can't seem to figure out what the difference is, and if I can't tell the difference, I'm worried sellers on eBay won't know the difference either. Are they very different when you can see them in person? 'Cos on eBay, the ones marked blue and the ones marked gray seem exactly the same.
Lets not forget how Navy personnel operating in the middle east weren't allowed to wear the Navy desert camo because the Marines thought it looked to much like MARPAT. It is limited to SpecWar units.
What is the deal with defense saying you can't have any new patterns?
My dad was pissed when the blueberries where introduced and commands made them mandatory, I still think the old school uniforms look best but the blueberries are more navy than NW3s
the blueberry pants are the most comfortable uniform pants I have ever worn
I think same cut used for AOR2 that replacing it too. thanks to the angled knee cut.
Dose an AOR Black exist for DEVGRU?
How good ae they as a floation device?
I swear, the Crye Scorpion was like the girlfriend a guy always oversighted in the fucking romance movies (I have been binging your vids)
Who’s idea was it to have blue camouflage? It blends in with nothing. Thankfully they wised up and made the more useful desert and woodland variants.
3:46 omg the great lakes cmc
Will the “blueberries” still live forever in urban hip hop?
Fuck no. The M81s and Chocolate Chip camos have a total stranglehold on that community.
olliegoria 😅
I still scratch my head wondering why each branch needs their own camouflage pattern.
Navy guy here. Yea, we should all be given desert or woodland camo depending on where we are. Never have I needed to be tactical and hide in the ocean. And never have I seen an environment where that monstrosity the Air Force wears would blend into.
Give us all the marine cammies and sew the branch and insignia on. If we *need* identity, give us individual hats and boots.
All of the branches are just very proud of their branch. Kinda like a high school/college football team.
The point was it's a huge PR thing. When you're targeting high schoolers who probably don't know much about the branches, it's all about the uniforms.
Jonathan Baird I teach for the navy. I see marines and sailors, and occasionally soldiers, fresh out of boot camp/ fresh out of high school. I have yet to meet one who told me they chose the Branch based on the uniform.
Cost effective if every branch wore the same uniform. Added bonus in combat conditions; the enemy never know what kind of troops they are up against? Elite Marines or Seals, or support troops, who are not skilled in combat.
A couple complaints of the blueberries were that they faded at different rates and the cuts/sizing were terrible. The MARPATS are much better and comfortable (less baggy). I liked the prior utilities, save for coffee stains; I never had to do painting though. Oh, and there might be another uniform on its way: www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2019/02/25/new-uniforms-revealed-fashionable-and-free/
Yes mr.secretary I think it is *clap* is golden!
I got out just in time to avoid the blue camo. I just don't see what the problem with utilities was.
The blue one is so cool i would use it even in desert.
the blue one is not cool at all
Wearing this sht was the most embarrassing thing the USN made me do.
The blue navy cams looks good to me where i can buy a pair
Marines: we wanna stand out from the other forces
Navy: we wanna look like marines
Is AOR2 used for Navy Seals too?
Yes, Type III was originally issued to expeditionary forces only.
4:00 *This seems pointless, less effective, and more ugly. Why turn it sideways?*
Correct, vertical lines stick out.
Do a video on the uk 🇬🇧 uniforms