@@narrativecrusades707 definitly starting with just the Green Wing, going to pick up the Hellblaster squad to get more practice with painting before getting the Combat Patrol.
I have ordered from Goblin Gaming a number of times before, can confirm they are a pretty decent and reliable stockist. Also a worthwhile note on something that wasn't known when this video came out-- With a few slight modifications (Maybe using spare bits from other termie kits) the new chaplain model with his shield or even the stormbolter would make an excellent stand-in for the Strikemaster with Mace of Absolution and Shield/bolter if you want a cheapish HQ to lead a small force!
Oh what a coincidence. I just preordered lion El'Jonson :D I have over 2k of primaris marines including some BA and Imperial fist characters. I Havent had much interest in continuing my SM army but now I'm thinking I should get some dark angels models. I like the idea of having terminators and speeders in army. Also I really wanted big thematic epic character that could be fun to use aka Lion as a proper fighter character! Also terminators look cooler and more thematic than some of the basic SM units. :)
Agreed, the dark angels have tons going for them it’s brilliant! The lion is awesome both the model and rules wise well worth slipping into your 2k force. What sort of list are you looking at?
Yeah two of them is a pretty solid and strong start. Two redemptors can’t be sniffed at! I think I should just add two combat controls in each video. What do you think?
Awesome video. Would you perhaps do an update to this video now that we have the range refresh? Keen on starting Dark Angels so doing my research first!
You can discount the Ravenwing a bit if you find the white scars battleforce from Christmas. You get the chaplain on bike 2 squads of outriders and 2 atvs for a decent discount and then you can resell the khan and upgrade sprues for a bit of money back.
Thank you for posting these bits. We want people to have as many options as possible and this only helps! It’s a shame those xmas sets never stay around!
Haha, yes (as you know!) I should’ve put that earlier in the video, I just wanted people to be able to see they could stick to a theme should they want to! 100% mix is best though!
@@narrativecrusades707 Yeah, it still annoys me that the trendy catch phrase these days is "MoVeMeNt WiNs GaMeS" but somehow bikes, universally are trash lol, like really? Idgaf though, I still run bikes, because I play this game to drink beers with the guys, and to have bloody fun, win rates be damned in an ear drum splitting hail of bike motors!
Alot of people defo dont use them right anyway they go charging in with the bikes which are defo meant to be fast shooting support that only commit at the last moment.or clean up side objectives! But I 100% agree I love Ravenwing and bike armies! @@johnhildenbrand2642
Hey I’m new to the hobby and am currently building a dark angels army. I haven’t seen any builds use the Lion and was wondering what the reason for that was?
The lion is a fantastic power house character but not the best for buffing allied units. I still take him. These lists however are designed for starting out, he costs a lot of points and means you wouldn’t have the man power to tackle objectives Etc. A lot of competitive channels don’t use him as he’s not considered meta. If you want it take him! I certainly do!
Last edition i have so many units but idk about ky list for 10th but i wanted to use my leviathan for a new chapter because i have the DA combat patrol tons of deathwing terminators, the New azrael, DW knight i need to build, outriders, black knights the primaris chaplains on foot and bike and many tac squads, sammael, hell blasters, and a Talonmaster land speeder my friend still has 😂 i dont kbow where is exactly to go but i could go pure ravens
Pure ravens would look epic (not biased of course!) If you’re drowning in a pile of models at least it’s the right chapter!! Do you have a list in mind?
1x DW Command Squad, 1x DW Terminator Squad, 2x DW Knights and either DW Strikemaster or Chaplain in TA or Librarian in TA = Sweet DW 1000points. You can buy the extra parts you need to build Knights for way cheaper than buying 4 boxes. I've built 4 squads for less than the price of 3.
Yeah mate this is solid might be worth slinging on our deathwing video to as it’ll help a few people. The Chaplin removing the knights only weakness is amazing
Do you think it is worth waiting for the possible refresh of Deathwing early 2024 before getting into the DW terminators? Maybe pick up Dark Angels Combat Patrol till then, for some general purpose units?
The Green Wing list is incorrect. The chapine needs to be a Primaris Chapline, this will give us an extra 5 points which could go towards something like bolter discipline. Lastly buying 10 intercessors to run 5 seems silly, people should instead buy 5 assualt intercessors from the old starter set or 5 infernus marines from the current. They'll likely cost 1/3 of the intercessor box.
Yeah that’s a good call! The video was done with a view of current kits so new starters don’t in a years time end up hunting down kits and paying over the odds for them! The Chaplin should’ve always been a primaris Chaplin I must’ve left the word out!
There’s different heads like ones with hoods, different storm bolters and assault cannons as another way to swap it up. There’s also various books, wings Etc that can be used to spice them up a bit! It’s small changes but changes the look entirely
I’ve played just 5-6 games in 7th edition so I’m basically new to the game. I was thinking if continue again with them or give it a go with the Ultramarines.
I’d always favour the dark angels of course, the ultramarines really aren’t bad though and look great as a whole army with lots of cool character’s. Dealers choice really!
@@narrativecrusades707 ok good. I'm a big fan of the Raven Guard. If it is ok with you and doesn't mess up your planned content could you make a video about getting started with Raven Guard 10th edition please?
I´ve already bought a Deathwing Command Squad, but would you recommend to wait till the codex release and see if there´s going to be new models for DW Knights?
It won’t hurt to wait as using it to upgrade your leviathan terminators to deathwing will looks amazing. Depends on you, we have no guarantees but waiting till next year won’t hurt
Yes mate you can take any combination you like. Just wanted to offer out some thematic options. In our most recent bat rep it shows off a very mixed force. Mixed lists are usually better! What kinda force are you thinking of?
Of course! This was written after leviathan released so when I mention sternguard I mean the current ones. So crack on and get killing for the Lion brother!
@@narrativecrusades707 thank you, I'm quite new to collecting Warhammer, and I've chosen Dark angels... have you seen the photo's of the new models coming out! Do you know when they'll be released?
When doing the raven wing command squad, you are locked into a full 6 man squad, unfortunately. Standard 3 only gives you the characters, and the apothecary can only bring back non characters, so you have to bump it to 6 for it to be useful due to how the point system works now. Unfortunately, you can not do a 4 or 5 man squad without wasting points.
You’re quite correct, if I recall I went with the command squad for points reasons, the black knights are defo the better pick for a smaller game! Yeah losing the ability to take any number of models has effected some people’s units
Incorrect! If you check, by "character", they mean models with the "character" key word (see sammael, azrael, lion). All command squads are completely bereft of the key word "character", and are listed in the "character" list per the data cards. This is comparable to, say, Heavy Intercessors who have the "Battleline" keyword Therefore, what it means is you cant get actual characters resurrected after being sniped by putting an apothecary nearby
That's a pretty good start for an army. I think some scout sniper squads and a couple Gladiator Lancers could get you some good mileage going towards a 2k list. Of course the Lion as well if you were lucky enough to nab him like I was.
Yeah the lion is an awesome choice and the lancer finally being a bit more reliable is a plus. I don’t think you can go too wrong using any of these as a basis or pulling elements from either. What list you looking at / building towards mate ?
@@sklingenberg86 that apothercary is filth with the hellblasters and Az Its just twigged in my head what that combination can bring . The scout squads are no joke this edition either really punchy.
@@narrativecrusades707other than the durability that the apoth brings, what is he doing for the hellblasters? I’m not sure that I want the other CP generating ability to ever trigger
Dark angels are the best and more people need to know 😂🎉🎉
Agreed! 🔥
FIRST LEGION BEST LEGION, BABY
Agreed brother
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What ? No ! Keep it secret ! It's the dark angels way !!
Literally been looking for a video like this for the last 3 days lol
Half killed myself getting it out tonight around work so reading this made it worth it, hope it helps mate, let me know if you need anything else!
This is going to be super useful - I'm just starting out in Warhammer and I've chosen the Dark Angels. Thank you for this video!
Me to! Where you from?
Just getting into Army building myself. Decided on Dark Angels. This vid is god send
Glad it’s been helpful mate, what route you planning on going ?
@@narrativecrusades707 definitly starting with just the Green Wing, going to pick up the Hellblaster squad to get more practice with painting before getting the Combat Patrol.
I have ordered from Goblin Gaming a number of times before, can confirm they are a pretty decent and reliable stockist.
Also a worthwhile note on something that wasn't known when this video came out-- With a few slight modifications (Maybe using spare bits from other termie kits) the new chaplain model with his shield or even the stormbolter would make an excellent stand-in for the Strikemaster with Mace of Absolution and Shield/bolter if you want a cheapish HQ to lead a small force!
Awesome comment! Thank you for posting this mate!
This will be a super useful video!Thank you
If it helps someone then I can’t fault it
another great vid looking forward to having a game with these guys this week!
Same here!
Oh what a coincidence.
I just preordered lion El'Jonson :D
I have over 2k of primaris marines including some BA and Imperial fist characters. I Havent had much interest in continuing my SM army but now I'm thinking I should get some dark angels models. I like the idea of having terminators and speeders in army. Also I really wanted big thematic epic character that could be fun to use aka Lion as a proper fighter character!
Also terminators look cooler and more thematic than some of the basic SM units. :)
Agreed, the dark angels have tons going for them it’s brilliant! The lion is awesome both the model and rules wise well worth slipping into your 2k force.
What sort of list are you looking at?
I've recently began looking at starting a dark angels army to have another army to play and this video was exactly what I needed
Glad to help mate. Got more coming out soon. Let us know if you need anything!
2 DA combat patrol is a good idea for Dreadnaughts and such and you can then convert or sell the other chaplain
Yeah two of them is a pretty solid and strong start. Two redemptors can’t be sniffed at!
I think I should just add two combat controls in each video. What do you think?
@@narrativecrusades707 sounds fun
Awesome video. Would you perhaps do an update to this video now that we have the range refresh? Keen on starting Dark Angels so doing my research first!
You can discount the Ravenwing a bit if you find the white scars battleforce from Christmas. You get the chaplain on bike 2 squads of outriders and 2 atvs for a decent discount and then you can resell the khan and upgrade sprues for a bit of money back.
Thank you for posting these bits. We want people to have as many options as possible and this only helps!
It’s a shame those xmas sets never stay around!
But you can have an army of a combination of all three wings, right?
Edit: the last 20 seconds of the video answered my question lol
Haha, yes (as you know!) I should’ve put that earlier in the video, I just wanted people to be able to see they could stick to a theme should they want to!
100% mix is best though!
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FOR THE LION
FOR THE HOUSE
FOR THE GLORY & HONOURS
FOR THE IMPERIUM OF MAN
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And greeting from the UK brother!! Welcome to the crusade!
@@narrativecrusades707 Take Your GLORY & HONOUS BROTHER!!!
Always good videos 👍🏻
Thanks mate, hope it was useful
I'm a dedicated nid played but iv been considering starting a marines army tha k you for the video!
Glad you’ve been looking at the top lads! No other chapter comes close
Totally not meta, and totally not cool IRL, but moar bikes is always the right answer!
I have to agree! Still my fav wing regardless of everything else!!
@@narrativecrusades707 Yeah, it still annoys me that the trendy catch phrase these days is "MoVeMeNt WiNs GaMeS" but somehow bikes, universally are trash lol, like really? Idgaf though, I still run bikes, because I play this game to drink beers with the guys, and to have bloody fun, win rates be damned in an ear drum splitting hail of bike motors!
Alot of people defo dont use them right anyway they go charging in with the bikes which are defo meant to be fast shooting support that only commit at the last moment.or clean up side objectives! But I 100% agree I love Ravenwing and bike armies! @@johnhildenbrand2642
Hey I’m new to the hobby and am currently building a dark angels army. I haven’t seen any builds use the Lion and was wondering what the reason for that was?
The lion is a fantastic power house character but not the best for buffing allied units. I still take him. These lists however are designed for starting out, he costs a lot of points and means you wouldn’t have the man power to tackle objectives Etc.
A lot of competitive channels don’t use him as he’s not considered meta.
If you want it take him! I certainly do!
Last edition i have so many units but idk about ky list for 10th but i wanted to use my leviathan for a new chapter because i have the DA combat patrol tons of deathwing terminators, the New azrael, DW knight i need to build, outriders, black knights the primaris chaplains on foot and bike and many tac squads, sammael, hell blasters, and a Talonmaster land speeder my friend still has 😂 i dont kbow where is exactly to go but i could go pure ravens
Pure ravens would look epic (not biased of course!)
If you’re drowning in a pile of models at least it’s the right chapter!!
Do you have a list in mind?
@@narrativecrusades707 not entirely I'm swamped in stuff and am always working 😒 I thought about going with building around Azrael
Informative and entertaining
Thanks mate, glad it helped, if you need anything let us know!
Love me some Dark Angels!
They are the best mate!! Are you part of the cause
@narrativecrusades707 I am! Still new to the game though. Slowly building my army
I've used Goblin Gaming plenty of times. They've always been reliable and punctual in my experience
Thanks mate this helps out a ton, I don’t want anyone going to a unreliable retailer
1x DW Command Squad, 1x DW Terminator Squad, 2x DW Knights and either DW Strikemaster or Chaplain in TA or Librarian in TA = Sweet DW 1000points. You can buy the extra parts you need to build Knights for way cheaper than buying 4 boxes. I've built 4 squads for less than the price of 3.
Yeah mate this is solid might be worth slinging on our deathwing video to as it’ll help a few people.
The Chaplin removing the knights only weakness is amazing
Do you think it is worth waiting for the possible refresh of Deathwing early 2024 before getting into the DW terminators? Maybe pick up Dark Angels Combat Patrol till then, for some general purpose units?
I’d say the standard terminators you’ll be ok with but defo wait for those new knights / build up the green wing would be my advice
The Green Wing list is incorrect. The chapine needs to be a Primaris Chapline, this will give us an extra 5 points which could go towards something like bolter discipline. Lastly buying 10 intercessors to run 5 seems silly, people should instead buy 5 assualt intercessors from the old starter set or 5 infernus marines from the current. They'll likely cost 1/3 of the intercessor box.
Yeah that’s a good call! The video was done with a view of current kits so new starters don’t in a years time end up hunting down kits and paying over the odds for them!
The Chaplin should’ve always been a primaris Chaplin I must’ve left the word out!
How would you suggest kitbashing the regular terminators using the command squad bits to make the regular terms more deathwing-like?
There’s different heads like ones with hoods, different storm bolters and assault cannons as another way to swap it up.
There’s also various books, wings Etc that can be used to spice them up a bit!
It’s small changes but changes the look entirely
I can do an Deathwing army only with the new box + Lion?
Yes you can! And it’s pretty tough!
I’ve played just 5-6 games in 7th edition so I’m basically new to the game. I was thinking if continue again with them or give it a go with the Ultramarines.
I’d always favour the dark angels of course, the ultramarines really aren’t bad though and look great as a whole army with lots of cool character’s.
Dealers choice really!
Will their be similar videos for other Space Marines chapters?
If you’d like it mate I’ll make it! What chapters would you like?
@@narrativecrusades707 Wait you would make a video just because I asked?
@@Sciontabier yes, I think they will make good videos and It will help out you and fellow hobbyists !
@@narrativecrusades707 ok good. I'm a big fan of the Raven Guard. If it is ok with you and doesn't mess up your planned content could you make a video about getting started with Raven Guard 10th edition please?
@@Sciontabier sure! I’ll do some research and get on it. It won’t be the next video but do it we shall!
I´ve already bought a Deathwing Command Squad, but would you recommend to wait till the codex release and see if there´s going to be new models for DW Knights?
It won’t hurt to wait as using it to upgrade your leviathan terminators to deathwing will looks amazing. Depends on you, we have no guarantees but waiting till next year won’t hurt
Don’t know much about Dark Angels…can you mix n match between the 3 groups?
Yes mate you can take any combination you like. Just wanted to offer out some thematic options. In our most recent bat rep it shows off a very mixed force.
Mixed lists are usually better! What kinda force are you thinking of?
Something with a balanced mix that takes the benefits of all 3 groups@@narrativecrusades707
Used goblin gaming to buy leviathan no issues
Very big they are seeking reputableB
I dont see the Combat Patrol (old one ye), having Azrael or the Inceptor squad, only 2x intercessors, chaplain and dreadnaught, and overpriced
Just a question, you mentioned sternguard… can I use the new(ish) sternguard veterans as Dark angels?
Of course! This was written after leviathan released so when I mention sternguard I mean the current ones. So crack on and get killing for the Lion brother!
@@narrativecrusades707 cheers!
@@narrativecrusades707 Can dark angels use Vanguard veterans? and or Blade guard?
@@winterwolf9797 yes! They can use any unit in the standard space marine book + their own unique ones and character’s!
@@narrativecrusades707 thank you,
I'm quite new to collecting Warhammer, and I've chosen Dark angels... have you seen the photo's of the new models coming out! Do you know when they'll be released?
You should remaster this video due to the recent new minis and nerfs...
second I have the rules in my hands I shall do so!
@@narrativecrusades707 That would be excellent. Respect for putting out content like this, I shall sub.
@@TodayNot thanks mate! Once home from work I shall see if we have enough leaks online to do a video!
Shit. I bought company veterans as my first kit. Are they just green wing or what?
Veterans have been green wing traditionally. Still a cool kit with cool bits in!
Can i swap those ATVs for Black knights? Im not familliar with the new points
Yeah pretty much mate should be close enough. Just run whatever army you prefer!
While other chapters are badass only one can be the First.
NO PITY. NO REMORSE.
They’re my favourite and always shall be I think! Gonna end up with an army in both game systems At this rate
When doing the raven wing command squad, you are locked into a full 6 man squad, unfortunately. Standard 3 only gives you the characters, and the apothecary can only bring back non characters, so you have to bump it to 6 for it to be useful due to how the point system works now. Unfortunately, you can not do a 4 or 5 man squad without wasting points.
You’re quite correct, if I recall I went with the command squad for points reasons, the black knights are defo the better pick for a smaller game!
Yeah losing the ability to take any number of models has effected some people’s units
I actually think you can bring back the champion and ancient in a command squad. They're not keyworded as characters on the datasheet.
@@tbone11x let us see what investigation pulls up!
Incorrect!
If you check, by "character", they mean models with the "character" key word (see sammael, azrael, lion).
All command squads are completely bereft of the key word "character", and are listed in the "character" list per the data cards. This is comparable to, say, Heavy Intercessors who have the "Battleline" keyword
Therefore, what it means is you cant get actual characters resurrected after being sniped by putting an apothecary nearby
Dark Angels or Ultramarines? Someone help me decide
Dark angels
That's a pretty good start for an army. I think some scout sniper squads and a couple Gladiator Lancers could get you some good mileage going towards a 2k list. Of course the Lion as well if you were lucky enough to nab him like I was.
Yeah the lion is an awesome choice and the lancer finally being a bit more reliable is a plus.
I don’t think you can go too wrong using any of these as a basis or pulling elements from either.
What list you looking at / building towards mate ?
@@narrativecrusades707 DA Unforgiven - 2000 (2000 points)
Space Marines
Dark Angels
Strike Force (2000 points)
Unforgiven Task Force
CHARACTER
Azrael (120 points)
• 1x Lion’s Wrath
1x The Lion Helm
1x The Sword of Secrets
Captain in Terminator Armour (95 points)
• 1x Storm bolter
1x Thunder hammer
Deathwing Strikemaster (110 points)
• 1x Master-crafted power weapon
1x Storm bolter
• Enhancement: Heavenfall Blade
Lion El’Jonson (380 points)
• Warlord
• 1x Arma Luminis
1x Fealty
Primaris Apothecary (70 points)
• 1x Absolvor bolt pistol
1x Close combat weapon
1x Reductor pistol
• Enhancement: Stubborn Tenacity
OTHER DATASHEETS
Deathwing Command Squad (430 points)
• 1x Watcher in the Dark
• 1x Deathwing Ancient
• 1x Power fist
1x Storm bolter
• 1x Deathwing Apothecary
• 1x Chainfist
1x Storm bolter
• 1x Deathwing Champion
• 1x Halberd of Caliban
• 7x Deathwing Command Terminator
• 1x Chainfist
2x Cyclone missile launcher
4x Power fist
2x Storm Shield
5x Storm bolter
2x Thunder hammer
Gladiator Lancer (145 points)
• 1x Armoured hull
1x Icarus rocket pod
1x Ironhail heavy stubber
1x Lancer laser destroyer
2x Storm bolter
Gladiator Lancer (145 points)
• 1x Armoured hull
1x Icarus rocket pod
1x Ironhail heavy stubber
1x Lancer laser destroyer
2x Storm bolter
Hellblaster Squad (250 points)
• 1x Hellblaster Sergeant
• 1x Close combat weapon
1x Plasma incinerator
1x Plasma pistol
• 9x Hellblaster
• 9x Close combat weapon
9x Plasma incinerator
9x Plasma pistol
Incursor Squad (90 points)
• 1x Incursor Sergeant
• 1x Bolt pistol
1x Occulus bolt carbine
1x Paired combat blades
• 4x Incursor
• 4x Bolt pistol
1x Haywire Mine
4x Occulus bolt carbine
4x Paired combat blades
Incursor Squad (90 points)
• 1x Incursor Sergeant
• 1x Bolt pistol
1x Occulus bolt carbine
1x Paired combat blades
• 4x Incursor
• 4x Bolt pistol
1x Haywire Mine
4x Occulus bolt carbine
4x Paired combat blades
Scout Sniper Squad (75 points)
• 1x Scout Sniper Sergeant
• 1x Bolt pistol
1x Close combat weapon
1x Scout sniper rifle
• 4x Scout Sniper
• 4x Bolt pistol
4x Close combat weapon
1x Missile launcher
3x Scout sniper rifle
Might switch a few things around. Another scout sniper squad perhaps. Azrael and Apothecary leading Hellblasters have performed well for me so far. The Deathwing Command Squad is very resilient and surprisingly shooty as well as its normal fight potential with Captain and Deathwing Strikemaster leading them
@@sklingenberg86 that apothercary is filth with the hellblasters and Az Its just twigged in my head what that combination can bring . The scout squads are no joke this edition either really punchy.
@@narrativecrusades707other than the durability that the apoth brings, what is he doing for the hellblasters?
I’m not sure that I want the other CP generating ability to ever trigger
Definitely want to make a Ravenwing army.
It’s so thematic and a bike army is a dream!
@@narrativecrusades707 yes and the lore behind them is so cool too. So storm speeders fit well? How good do you think the Nephilim jet fighter is?