Putting an Asterisk on NFL GOATs!
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2024
- Is Tom Brady the GOAT? Is Jerry Rice The GOAT? Is Randy Moss, Jim Brown, or Drew Brees the Greatest of All Time? In this NFL video we are actually doing the opposite by Putting an Asterisk on Potential NFL GOATs and debating how each of the NFL Football Greats are NOT the GOAT! NFL Animation by Touchdown Rewind.
This video was inspired by @BarryOnHere Shoutout to him.
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i always said brady was over rated,., thanls for giving me data to back it up
@anonymousYTviewer69 He didnt, he gave the equivalent of public school education information to you and you took it like it was all be all. When people like “Tom Brady facts” aka a guy from Pro football database on Twitter does the work much better.
Which he didn’t use that source, nor go in depth with Brees or Mahomes.
@@345optimusprime ok. I still say he's over rated and the 4900+yards isn't really too impressive since he lost likely didn't actually *throw* the ball that many yards...the receiver just ran the rest of those yards.
@anonymousYTviewer69 Oh you can say still he’s overrated in your subjective opinion, but objectively if you wanna use the dink and dunk over he didn’t throw 4,500 yards often? Brees and Mahomes did so more often under YAC
barry mccockiner shoutout
I became a fan when he did the "Exposing 1990s Defense" .. Barry Mccockiner is the truth..
fr@@kenrickeason
@kenrickeason No he ain’t, he’s just spoon fed public education for football fans. Try to ask for a debate he’ll say no or block you if you disagree with him and debunk his arguments.
@@345optimusprimeawww are you gonna cry? 🥺🥺🥺
@@345optimusprime dam didnt relize everyone can just pull stuff out of their ass now
I met Jim Brown in the 90s. I said Mr Brown, how do you think you would have done against these players who are bigger stronger and faster than the average player you played against. He said, “I probably would have only rushed for 8-900 yards a season”. I said Really Mr Brown?? He said ya because I’m 60 years old.
He’s the Goat. Don’t care what era.
I disagree. I don't think he'd be elite in today's league.
Jim Brown was a man who played with boys. Nowadays, the NFL is filled with men.
In my opinion, Walter Payton is the greatest running back of all time. Barry Sanders is a close second, and Jim Brown is third.
@@JohnmhatheistBarry would run over everyone today, especially behind a good o line
Classic Jim Brown. He was thinking of coming back in the early 80's when Franco Harris was close to his rushing record.
Oh, he is also one of the greatest lacrosse players ever.
Ha ❤I😂, I think he was the best !! But not argumentative just my opinion
Rice caught 22 touchdowns in 1987 when there were only 12 games played by the pros. This was the strike season where week 3 was cancelled and weeks 4-6 played with replacements. Moss caught 23 in 2007 in 16 games. The 80s defense was still allowed to hammer receivers too. Hudson had 17 in 11 games so he would have needed to have 5 touchdowns in a single game to match Rice.
Hudson had no pass interference penalties, and Rice had Montana and Bill Walsh. The dude was a freak too bad he was in an Era that is really hard to compare to.
Even more amazing with Jerry Rice is he was in an era where most teams were run heavy. It wasnt until early 2000s that the league was getting pass heavy.
I do agree with the arguments against Tom Brady and even Jim Brown to a degree, but arguing as to why Jerry Rice isn't the GOAT is basically impossible. That being said, I'll admit you actually made a really good case for Hutson.
And what about the man who broke Huston's records all without wearing gloves and with basic QBs throwing him the ball? Steve Largent, Rice's idol. Rice had Hof QBs throwing to him.
@enigma9971 What about him? Nobody said he wasn't a great WR. It's just that Rice is the best. He dominates that position more than anyone else.
In Jim Brown's Defense, Defenses were a lot more aggressive back then.
In Tom Brady's Defense, I noticed how you ignored TDs and brought up Bill Belicheck but not what happened after Brady went to Tampa.
Here's a counter on Brady, TDs were a result of longevity and the Brady rule. Peyton Manning held the record for 4 to 5 years. And as for Bellichek after Brady, well the team was already getting old, we saw Brady with Bowles and went 8-9 despite having the same offense as before and similar defense. Bill was just getting old while the NFL still flagged teams for giving Brady a love tap. Now everyone still says Bill can still be a great coach what killed Bill was him being an old fashioned GM.
Drew Brees is the most underrated QB. He got screwed over so many times it’s insane. He usually played with bad teams, had his shoulder injury which limited his arm strength throughout his career & never once won MVP.
Honestly, I think the most complete player in NFL history was Walter Payton.
Most efficient passer in Bears history
It's most definitely NOT in Don's favor. See I often make the argument myself that Hutson is the second best wide receiver in NFL history, so I know where the flaws in that argument are. Hutson's best year, second best year, and 4th best year came when the NFL was talent depleted by WW II. The Steelers merged with 2 other franchises during this era partly because they didn't have good enough players to field a team.(the rest were because the steelers of that era were cheap as hell) The better question to ask is why wasn't Hutson himself in uniform during the 1942 season?
There was a rule created when Aaron Rodgers broke his collarbone.. there was a rule created when T.O. broke his leg.. that's how many player safety rules have been created
It’s crazy watching older NFL videos. Plays that were considered great then would all be penalized now.
@@354allday What that has to do with my original comment I'll never know🤦🏼♂️
But, in his FIRST year after 20 with a different everything, proceeds to go on the road & beat Brees/Saints(the 12-4 two seed winner of his weak division).. then travels to GB & beats the #1 seed Packers & Rodgers.. obliterates KC/Mahomes in the SB.. so if he was just a lucky beneficiary of his "weak division" what's the excuse for him beating the 3 teams/all-time QB's when it mattered most?
Um, no. Clotheslining and face masking used to be legal
@enigma9971 what?
@@tiddiesattic clotheslining and facemasking are illegal thanks to Night Train Lane.
fun video. and seriously i appreciate you mentioning don hutson! he's really one of those guys who wass so ahead of his time
Those 100yd dash numbers were way off.
[Great vid though]
When it comes to the GOAT debate at QB & WR, I just ask myself if I would rather have a Payton Manning throwing to Randy Moss or Calvin Johnson or Tom Brady throwing to Jerry Rice on my team?
You might be thinking of the 100m records. 100 meters is about 9% longer than 100 yards
Tom Brady also had a top 10 offensive line his whole career
Not in 2011
And no pro bowl wrs
Brady has had pro bowl selections with wr 13 in fact. Whereas a qb like brees only had four receivers to pro bowl selection.
Tom Brady coddled by the NFL? Nevermind Super Bowl LI (a bad dream), Atlanta Falcons fans will long remember the outrage of the October 9, 2022 Falcons-Bucs game. Brady, quarterbacking the Bucs, was sacked by Falcons DT Grady Jarrett late in the 4th quarter on 3rd down deep in the Bucs territory. Replays clearly showed the sack was as clean as any ever made. But Brady (who visibly tried to cleat Jarrett) jumped up and, like a little B, ran to the refs to complain. The ref then threw a flag and calls "roughing the passer". Instead of having to punt the ball and give the Falcons a good chance to win, the Bucs get a penalty first down, enabling the Bucs to run out the clock. Even the TV announcers were dumfounded by the call.
@alabamaal225 Damn I smell a sense of bitterness with throwing the word “little b.” Was it a bad call? Sure, but you guys continue the “It’s always Tom Brady fault!” when prior the NFL had that case with Tua being knocked out, but just like how we forget that prior to this we blame Brady for the supposedly “Brady rule” when it was actually Carson Palmer knee.
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I feel like the best asterisk on Rice’s career is his alleged use of Stickum during his career. He once publicly stated that he used Stickum, an adhesive that was a way to catch footballs better, rather regularly, despite the substance being banned 4 years before his career started. He said that everybody did it, which was called out by other NFL legends like Cris Carter and Michael Irvin, who both denied that claim. He ended up denying his claim as well, but that’s very suspicious in my book.
Dude you don't understand that the gloves they wear today are just as tacky they just don't rub off on the ball.....Do you honestly think all these one handed catches get made that you see without those gloves?
Hey Barry: Devin Hester
Tom and Peyton both have 14 4000 yds seasons the most
Thank you! The video conveniently uses the obscure 4900 yd mark to drive his point
@@onyekaobilo Peyton has the most in a season. Is that obscure?
Could you please do the unsung positions, such as offensive linemen, fullbacks, and kickers?
There’s always what ifs in sports. Some players are simply lucky. Brady wasn’t highly sought after coming out of college. Every team had multiple chances to draft him and passed. Rice went to a small school and nobody thought he would be great either. Even more recently Patrick Mahomes wasn’t even the guy the Chiefs really wanted. He just happened to be the best qb available at that point. A lot of great college players turn out to be busts in the NFL. Guys like Ryan Leaf just can’t handle the pressure and aren’t mature enough to be a professional.
I’ve never been this quick before
Was not expecting a Maplestory goat sprite.
yeah Don Hutson gets overlooked
Will clapp shoutout 🐐🐐
7:51 The 100m record is 9.59.
He said 100 yard dash, not meters.
the 100m is 9.58 sec .01 off sorry
While he did say 100yd dash, those times are either hand timed or extrapolated from 100m races. Calling them inaccurate is being nice
I feel like if some of the guys playing rn keep at the same pace they’ll definitely be in contention with these guys
Awesome video man! Your case for jerry Rice’s Asterix is weak…. But much better than anything I would have come up with. Either way that was a great video with great music, excellent video to audio timing and of course the content was very entertaining! I’m subscribed …keep it up! 👌🏽
TB is Lance Armstrong
Shout out to Barry. Respect.😁
Why the guys a clown?
Jim Brown was a man who played among boys. In today's NFL, you have to be a man to play. Jim Brown wouldn't be very elite today.
Are you serious? In today's NFL you can barely touch a receiver or QB without getting a flag thrown. If the players today went back and played with the rules from any year from the 80s back they wouldn't last a season.
If Brady played in the 80s? He has maybe 2-3 SB wins and retires at 35-38 due to injury. Get REAL!
@drumguy1960 The new rules were made for a reason. Players today are so much bigger and faster than back then.
If players could hit today like they could back in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, players would become crippled or die on the field.
Linebackers don't weigh 180 anymore, and linemen aren't 225 lbs anymore.
7:51 TRP 🔥
I wonder what would happen if Brady had to play for the 1980s Broncos. How their offense were ran would hold back any QB even for its time.
he would have been 3, so probably he wouldn't have done well.
Hot Take Alert! Everyone likes to say that Jerry was great because he had Young and Montana throwing him the ball. But is it possible Young and Montana were great because they both got to throw to Rice? I’m just saying, did anyone see Rich Gannon becoming an MVP? Or was that also the Rice Effect?
Otto Graham probably took a little heat off Jim Brown. He could throw. The rules didn't really start to ease off QB's and the passing game until the 1980's, and once they became easy, they went on to become easier. Without some sort of adjustment to show the disparity, your stats are going to "prove" that all of the best passers played in the last 30 years and nobody who played before the NFL-AFL merger in 1970 was worth a damn.
Don Hudson gang --------->
Lawrence Taylor is the greatest football player ever. No player changed the game as much. He created the edge rusher position
Dick Shafrath is crazy lmaoo
GOAT is subjective.
Walter Payton is the greatest Football player of all time.He could do everything.He could throw far ,run over anybody,catch like a receiver, blocked DE's and linebackers effectively,jump over a defensive line and his infamous stiff arm;no QB,RB,WR,TE or any defensivemen had those intangibles at their disposal
Lou "The Toe" Groza
Brady hasn't won a Superbowl since 2004 that wasn't handed to him by a legendary collapse by their opponents.
Well, that one in TB was earned, but mostly by the defense.
Hingle McCringleberry!!
Don also did it while probably smoking a pack a day
100m times? Loll
The 4900+ passing yard thing is not a far metric. Tom Brady spent most of his career playing in an NFL that was run centric. It wasn’t until the second half of his career that QBs regular started throwing 4000+ yards. You were considered an elite passer hitting over 3200 yards in the 2000’s. It wasn’t until James Harrison m*red rdered Josh Cribbs over the middle that the rules changed and the passing yards exploded.
Counting Lou Groza as a pro bowler/HOF who was blocking for Jim Brown is very misleading. While Lou was a very good tackle, his pro bowls are almost exclusively due to his play as a kicker. He never played tackle after 1958, which means he didn't block during the majority of Jim Browns career, who retired in 1965 after 9 seasons.
Do we really have to rehash how the "US Department of Defense presents the NFL" started flying fighter jets over games immediately after 9/11/01, Drew Bledsoe gets replaced by Brady THAT WEEK, and THE PATRIOTS won everything for the remainder of the Global War On Terror? Like, y'all are 20 years late. Brady was never legit from the jump
What on God's green earth are you talking about? Sure, Brady is obviously not the best quarterback ever, but what kinda schizo nonsense are you on about
Nice conspiracy and all, but Drew Bledsoe started to noticeably regress in his last few seasons with the Patriots, and he wasn't all that great to begin with.
Jerry Rice had 22 tds in a 12 game season my friend. Moss's record don't mean a thing
Who was throwing Rice the ball, though? Oops
@enigma9971 To be fair the 87-88-89 stretch was an all time stretch for a team lol
I can't believe that drew breeze isn't considered the goat
I think brandy should be #1 asstrics when he spells his name it should look like this *****😂
whoever this don guy is was 100% playing against bums
Yards are less than meters
Jim Brown was such OP athlete. Think he would've made it either way.
maybe this is a shout to not think about potential in respect to their combine stats?
Thats a wild ass take considering 2 New York teams were in play to use
Prolly shouldnt use the jets tho because that would be insane
I believe with my entire being that Drew Brees would've won 6 rings if he was new England's qb
@juicyjosh3581 What? Cause of the supposedly top ten defense? When in the first three super bowls the “top 10” defense nearly broke against the Rams in the fourth Quarter aka allow the Rams or Kurt in this case get a rushing and passing TD, Carolina when it was 21-10 in the fourth Quarter, let’s see 24-14 with the Eagles before the 24-21
He'd have more. He did similar things to Brady without the defensive help and without the assistance of the refs. Never forget the NFC championship game against the rams on that no call blatant pass interference.
@@345optimusprime defense kept him in all 3 of those games, thats a bad argument
@zeeski7454 Apparently you didn’t read everything I said, I gave the time frame when the defense collapse in the fourth quater, don’t believe me? Go look at pro football showing drives and stats and scoring summary. I used an actual creditable source, where’s yours?
@zeeski7454 Even though if you look at NFL penalties site under roughing the passer that goes back to 2009, says otherwise. Plus, I remember Brees having an anxiety attack and threw a bonehead pick in overtime.
Look at that three sources what actually shows what happened, once again where is yours?
OMG Finally!!!!! A lot of this video is stuff I’ve been saying for years!!!!! and ppl DESTROY me for it. ppl don’t understand its a difference in saying “best” and “greatest” and players rank different in both categories….. Ex. Tom Brady is THE GOAT, but I’ve been saying he barely Cracks top 5 as best QB all time…. Moss is a top 2 best WR of all time, In terms of greatest he’s like 6 or 7….Hudson and Alworth are greater! not better but greater….. I’m am so happy this video is was made
@markjenkins8737 Yeah they did destroy you because you believed low educated videos like this. Best vs goat aka best vs greatest. You can give a proper explanation of best, but that would fall under the adjective greatest aka a description just how people can’t properly define “Oh he’s more talented!” without giving adjectives or description. Brady is the best of all time, here’s a bomb for you. If you can make an NFL team you have talent.
So we can say Cutler and George are top 5 best qbs. Because their arm talent was top 5. But they are low on the greatest list. 😂
Steve largent
stilling picking Dan, and Peyton before Tom Brady. Brady work hard for role, but he is not the goat
gonna trigger all the brady incels with all these facts
Eli manning!
what if Favre didn't get obliterated by the Bounty Squad
These are excellent points , people forget those Niners teams had great defenses and Montana and Rice got all the credit
LOL Ok genius. Let's get this straight immediately....Of course Hutson had great numbers...The forward pass was basically brand new in the 30s and NOBODY knew how to defend it.
As far as the thumbnails saying No defense in the 80s...Are you INSANE? Bears, Giants and the Redskins ALL had GREAT defenses and ALL happened to be in the NFC as direct competion for the 49ers...also in case you forgot Lawrence Taylor played in the 80s. Just that comment alone disqualifies ANYTHING you say.
Brady is a cheater! Peyton Manning was the best qb of that era
Tom Brady has repeatedly said the goat is Joe Montana. I’m not going to argue with a man with his credentials. (To clarify- I think Brady’s experience makes him the leading authority on QBs and defer to his opinion.)
To be fair it’s not out of the question for an elite athlete to show humility (whether it be fake or not) knowing full well that the vast majority of people will straight up disagree with him and proclaiming him the goat anyway
The best football player of all time is a defensive player, Deion Sanders or Lawrence Taylor.
There's no way a guy who couldn't tackle and was afraid of contact is the best player ever. I could live with Taylor being the best all time though
Nope its Jerry Rice still my Guy
Yeah, Deion was a great athlete but he definitely avoided contact. Bo Jackson would have been the greatest of all time but injuries shortened his career. He was the best athlete to ever play running back.
Jerry Rice's asterisk is Stickum.
No it's not...gloves today provide the same advantage they just outlawed stickum because it got all over that ball and made them unplayable...I played in the 70s and I know this for a fact...Those balls would get so nasty it looked like someone blew their nose on it
@@drumguy1960 If it wasn't a big deal then why did he walk it back when Michael Irvin and Cris Carter pushed back on him for it? I honestly have a bigger problem with him doing that than I do with him actually using it in the first place. At least he still had to actually get open. But saying that "everyone broke the rules" and then walking back his statement was a bitch move, and made me respect him a lot less.
god atempt but falls short because the analysis is full of semantics and what ifs instead of things that actually happend. You cant remove someone's achievements and then make a comparison. The film doesnt lie and you cant punish someone for playing in an older era where training has not evolved to where it is today. However it does apply to todays era where players dont have to deal with the physical aspects that have been removed to make things easier.
sports is all about circumstances. Something as trivial as the wind can affect the outcomes of games. Takes a lot of luck to be great, its not only luck but it plays a big part
I mean you cant penalize a player for playing in an earlier era via differences in rules and player; and then proceed to punish modern players for the same thing
Its hypocritical
Everyone seems to forget frank gore when talking rb goats.
No they dont forget. I'm a gore fan and think what he acomplished after blowing out both knees at Miami. Just shows how great he would have been. But I wouldn't put him as one of my goat. Still a great player and great career.
Another guy that played a long time to pad his stats. Not easy for running backs but he was never considered one of the top backs compared to his peers at any point during his playing days. Barry would have put the rushing record up so high if he had chosen to play longer. Emmit would never have caught him.
@@gregrowe1168 he was top 3 in his prime behind AP and possibly Stephen Jackson. But when I saw greatest rb my first thought was hell no I'm not putting him above Barry. Which was the greatest to me. I've never seen a running back carry his team to the playoffs. Imagine if he had a decent QB or that Dallas line, and like you pointed out that rushing record was his if he didn't walk away.
the 100 meter is 9.58 seconds just to let everyone knows 100 yard IDK
So the four thousand yard season? Ia the way to say Brady isn’t great as Brees? When Brees offensive was known for dink and dunks. Let alone you have people actively on Twitter showing Patrick Mahomes benefits from those dinks aka your YAC. Btw, I can tell you didn’t know that it was thanks to Carson Palmer injury in the wild card game is what gave rise to the rule of being injured.
2) We gonna complain Brady about the soften of defense? When one you had the Colts after the 03 and 04 season complain to the league of it which even the NFL was finally open about it, Brady does get rid of the ball faster than majority of Qb, Brady is tied with 35 roughing the passer calls with Cam, from NFL penalties that go back to 2009. Matthew Stafford has more than Brady.
Id mention tom brady has one of the best accuracy ever
I would argue he's not even close
www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm
People like to criticize Brady for "dinking and diming" and having a great defense, but that's exactly what allowed his defenses to be so good. Obviously his defenses were good in general but scoring quickly gives the other offense more time to possess the ball and tires out your defense
People do the same with Drew brees
This is such a lame excuse and is honestly insulting to the defenses he played with. “Yeah you guys weren’t THAT good Brady just gave you a lot of rest lol”
@@myrongaines6022 that's not what I said lol any defense is going to look better if the other team never has the ball, no matter how good they are
@@Kabazame You said that Brady's dinking and dunking was what allowed his defense to be so good. Like that's word for word what you said. He's the goat don't get me wrong but pretending every ounce of his team's success was because of him is silly and unnecessary. He had great defenses. Who cares.
@@myrongaines6022 I also said his defenses were good in general lol what I said is they were good, but they look even better statistically because the offense was holding the ball longer. I'm not even saying he was responsible for all the team's success, I'm saying that criticizing him for dinking and dunking is dumb because it actually helps the team
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The yesman of the NFL that never won a Superbowl. Now meet the new yesman Patrick maholmes. Those two never won a Superbowl and never will.
Mahomes: the soft league
I hate that stupid sideline scramble he does. Defender lets up? Teehee tricked ya, gonna get an extra yard or two before going out for real. Defender commits to the hit? Oops I stepped out of bounds at the last second, that’s an extra 15 yards sorry bud. Fanboys call it smart but I hate the concept of exploiting rules meant to protect you
@@myrongaines6022 same man same. Its ridiculous. Then the slightest hit, its a penalty. Like I can admit, the ravens game our DT definitely closed line the hell out of him but still 😂, every flag was against us it felt like
Tom Brady played in a passer friendly league. It was with Tom Brady when the NFL decided to cater the league around, protecting the quarterback more and getting rid of the more traditional way that the game was played. That’s running the ball and Smash Mouth football. It removed a lot of the harder hitting defensive techniques and the running game out of the sport and decided to focus on making it a quarterback, friendly, passing league. One kiss was because of Tom Brady himself that the NFL decided to go this route.
Is he one of the greatest all-time quarterbacks and leaders? I put them in the conversation,
but there are definitely a handful of guys that are way better than him and would have thrived even more than he did if they played in this era. It would be like putting Larry Bird in the NBA today he was just annihilate everyone.
There were lots of hard hitters back when Jim Brown ran the ball, but I guess the defensive strategy game plan information weren’t developed yet I wouldn’t say it was a weaker defense, but a less developed. I would think Barry Sanders might be the number one guy he was just remarkable and one of a kind running back, but I would put Jim Brown in the top five
And Jerry Rice had a really solid team around him and almost every position it’s hard to say because there’s different styles of receivers. He’s one of the best ones but since he’s become a passer friendly league, there has been all types of different receivers that are way more evolved that emerged so I see your point that you’re making with all the players that you feature the beginning of the video
If I had to make one pic for the greatest football player of all time, I would probably go with Lawrence Taylor. Only because his raw natural liability the guy didn’t even have to learn how to play football. It’s just was a part of his DNA. The guy that literally smoke crack and still destroy everybody on the field and everybody was terrified of him and that all times every single player and every coach that were playing against and had to worry about where he wasn’t what he was doing on every single play. He literally changed the strategy of the technique of the way the game was played because him. Because one single dude was so ruthless and so relentless, they literally changed the entire sport around to cater to his playing style. That’s why he’s my personal pic for greatest of all time. I’m sure everyone has different opinion but Lawrence Taylor definitely my guy.
Yeah, the whole "easy division" argument just doesn't work for me. You play your division opponents 6 times a year. When Brady was the qb for the Pats, there were only 16 games. The Patriots went 12-4 or better in 13 of the 18 seasons Brady played. And won Superbowls or went to Superbowls with those records 7 times. If this argument were true, why didn't the Patriots and ostensibly Brady win the AFC East with a 6-10 record? Why did they never win the East with a losing record? Cause this argument is shit. Along with basically every other argument. Barry Mccockner is an entertaining guy but frankly his arguments are reaaalllly bad.
Was hoping for a non-biased discussion here but you’re clearly biased against certain players. Using passing yards as an example of why one player is better than another is laughable IMO. So in 2019 Winston had the better season than Lamar because he passed for more yards? Show me more applicable numbers like QBR versus top 10 defenses, passer rating on game tying/winning drives, TD passes/Yards per game, quality of offensive weapons, etc. If you think Player A is better than Player B that’s fine. But give me comparable stats in similar situations. Don’t simply say, “Player B played in a weak division and had a great defense while Player A didn’t. Therefore Player A would have 500 rings if they were in Player B’s situation.”
Side note: it’s hilarious to me how people always use the “AFC East is trash” excuse to explain the Pats success while ignoring that the NFC North was bad during Rodger’s tenure. From 2008-2021 the Lions never won the division, the Bears won it twice and one of the years they did the Packers won the Super Bowl, and the Vikings had 3 good teams over that span (2009, 2017, 2022). Once again if you think Player A is better that’s fine, just give me comparable QB stats.
It’s not personal bias it’s a thought experiment. The goal of the video is to put an asterisk on undisputed goats, of course he’s going to be biased against them it’s the whole point of the video
He’s not a GOAT because he’s a cheater. End of story.
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@MrConverse Prove it. Show me the proof when you guys don’t critique the Colts whining about defensive change after the 03 and 04 season? People did “Spygate” prior to the case of the Patriots.
@@345optimusprime the Colts doing whatevers has no bearing on him still being a cheater. Your logic fails.
@MrConverse Prove he’s a cheater, where’s your information/source? You don’t hold Joe Montana the same standard and he confessed on NFL network years ago, people mock Denver fans for the 1998 team cheating the salary cap, no one complained about Aaron Rodgers or Marino, let alone any QB like the footballs at certain pressure. so back up your claim, tuck rule was a rule since 1999 and was called 50 to 75 times in 01, teams watched other team practices prior to 07, and I already mentioned the whole “deflate gate”
Before watching this video cuz I feel it’s coming … I think Brady gets wayyyy to much hate like either people say he had a top ten defense half his career ( it’s top ten meaning 9 other teams have comparable teams) or lineman ( when you get the ball out the fastest then yea your lineman will look better) and if you say his division was the easiest ( he had to face manning (colts/broncos) the Steelers and the Rey Lewis ravens in the playoffs.. I think he’s the greatest of all time simply because his team receiving core was different majority of his career ( literally threw a td to almost 100 players) never had a losing season and if you actually watch the pats games Brady got hit majority of the plays just because they aren’t sacks or major injuries doesn’t mean he didn’t get hit . Brady proved that he’s basically the franchise by himself and he will take a team with a qb turned receiver and a lacrosse player turned receiver and win a superbowl ( the falcons Super Bowl game)
Everything about Tom Brady is true but part of being a qb in the nfl is leadership. No one was a better leader than tb12
And then he goes to Tampa and does it again lol obviously Tim is the 🐐 even though the Seahawks should have won
Moss is the GOAT receiver. Don't even.
Tom Brady and the great president Donald Trump have ONE thing common, they both live rent free in the brains of their haters. What more can Brady do to shut the haters up?
1.) Prevented two dynasties in the Rams and Seahawks, delayed the Mickey Mouse Chiefs dynasty by a few years
2.) Went to Tampa and hosted the Brady invitational by retiring Brees on the road, knocking off Rodgers and destroying Mahomes for his 7th ring
3.) Super Bowl LI and sentencing the Colts to an eternity of irrelevancy for the false deflate gate accusations.
4.) holds all the records that matter
RFK Jr 2024
This is one of the most pathetic and desperate comments I've seen in quite a while.
Also, wins and rings are a TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENT, so all your cleanup means nothing. Maybe you should just accept valid criticism and that your daddy Brady is not all he's cracked up to be?
@matthewskinner6626 oh really wins and rings are a team accomplishment? Dare you to say that to Eli manning and Nick foles to be held the same standard when they wanna mock Brady in those super bowls aka “Goat slayer”
@345optimusprime People only say that to make fun of how stupid it is treat football games like "qb vs qb" matchups. If you think Brady is better than Peyton, Mahomes, etc. because his teams beat theirs, then by that logic Eli and Foles WOULD BE better than Brady. Both of which are dumb arguments.
@matthewskinner6626 Nah that’s bs, they don’t throw Eli or foles in Patriots fan to prove how stupid it is. They throw it in their face because they couldn’t stand the Patriots dynasty. They want Super Bowl or QB wins for them, but if you hold Brady by the standard, they’ll double down and say “Oh that don’t count!” it’s wanting wins under their specifications. Your logic is flaw because you had the 2013 Broncos placing all these records, but the 2013 patriots made to the afc championship let alone that 24-0 comeback.
With the Mahomes case? The 2018 Patriots on paper weren’t good as the 2018 Chiefs, no one was saying the 2020 Bucs were a super team compared to the Chiefs.
Wrong.
This video is such a reach. Not sure if that’s on purpose to prove anybody can use numbers and stats to twist a story about sports but when you actually watch the sport and see when the stat book can’t tell you, you get the real.
Tom was pampered and had the teammates around him and he cheated just like lebum in a weak soft era, and he’ll never he considered my goat just like Lebum will never be
It’s Brady handsdown
What bullshit.
No Tom Brady is the goat.
Brady is the goat quit malding
You’re the one taking personal offense over a video that was obviously meant as a thought experiment
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@@Isleditzz You’re getting defensive over nothing lil brobro
@@myrongaines6022 this is how brady fans are lmao defending their crush
I thought there would be actual facts & evidence in this video. It’s actually just stupid, mindless, pointless garbage. It’s a really pathetic video. Sounds like a 10 year old crying & whining about something he knows nothing about
BRADY IS THE MOST OVER RATED PLAYER IN NFL HISTORY!!!!