Spain, Ireland, Norway joint announcement
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- Опубліковано 23 тра 2024
- The Spanish, Irish and Norwegian governments announced Wednesday that they would recognize a Palestinian state, saying there would be no peace in the Middle East without it. Israel denounced the move as giving aid to its enemy, Hamas. The coordinated announcements are purely symbolic - but not without some power.
The leaders of the three countries said they hoped their recognition would press Israel, the Palestinians and the international community toward a two-state solution to the conflict. - Комедії
At this point its not even "international community"
Its just the usa to be honest
And according to the graphic they showed Australia too
@@sheerechoes Australia doesn't have the same weight as the "big 5"
So does that mean the prohamas crowd can hold then accountable?
And Canada.
@joshuafrimpong244 but If we're talking P5, the UK hasn't officially recognize Palestine either.
Ohh they vetoed it. Like when you love democracy, but people don't vote how you want it 🤣
You can say the same about both sides, unfortunately
"they"?
@@joshuafrimpong244The black people
@@joshuafrimpong244are you always this slow, if you think any use of they is some kind of dogwistle, i have a bridge to sell to you.
@@EliasProphet they as in the UN is what I meant
Well, when one of the “parties involved” directly benefits from never recognizing the other, a unilateral democratic decision of the globe is probably the most unbiased solution you’re gonna get.
>one
**both
You know who won't recognize it... the Palestinians. Because it's against their interest to accept a 2 state solution. They believe that the forever war, will end in their favor. That they will eventually evict all of the Israeli's And if they accept a 2 state solution. Then they don't get to ethnically cleanse the jews off what they consider their land.
They were offered a state in 48, 67, 94 and 08. Every time, they declined. They were even given Gaza in it's entirely in 2014, when Israel withdrew, and instead of focusing on building themselves up. They started hurling rockets at Israel, and planning terror attacks.
Israel is better for us. Why wouldn't we?
@@SimonFallheartNope. One.
Complain to the Palestine not Israel. They had a two state solution and Palestine didn't wanted it. So why israel should want it now
are we going to ignore America using tyrant veto on Palestine's determination to freedom?
Well, you see, unless somebody(UN) gets their shit together and puts UN troops in palestine to ensure peace both there and towards Israel, the Palestiniian state would actively threaten the ives of all Israelites
Until we can see direct funding to terror organizations out of their budget, there won't be peace either way.
Yes.
Nah you’re gonna complain about it online and not actually make a difference lol
@@atomm3331 what exactly could he do to make a difference?
What about recognizing Taiwan as a member of the UN, too, while they are at it?
No Jews, no news
mini U.N Nations actually have recognized Taiwan as an independent state even if they wouldn't be willing to support a militarily due to China having nukes but increasingly African nations are pulling their support as doing so make them get more Chinese funding
Taiwan is different as both them and the PRC claim to be "China" so you choose one or the other. Plus for all intents and purposes Taiwan is a country just not officially, many countries have embassies there, they compete in the Olympics, their leaders do state visits, etc. that's an apples to oranges comparison.
in simple terms, money.
Taiwan doesn't recognise itself as Taiwan, only as the Republic of China. If you recognise the RoC you'd have to not recognise the PRC
“Makes policies” is doing some heavy lifting in that sentence
USA: uhm here me out; have you considered being a puppet state Palestine?
Palestine: *literally on fire*
Yeah, nothing the UN GA declares is policy, in any normal sense of the word. Only the Security council can enforce anything against any state.
Un nation to palistine: you may take a sit to the counsel but we don’t give you the rank of master.
Here is the issue, the Arabs don’t want a two state solution. They constantly rejected offers for two states and when Israeli pulled out of Gaza fully they used aid and money to continue waging war
Palestinian the ethnic group is not Arab, they are actually in the same Canaanite family as Jews, while Arabs are a different group of Semites. For people who love to scream "Anti-semitism" they sure hate other semites
Umm.. Because the Jews haven't been the majority in those lands for thousands of years?
You probably aren't aware that this is a lie. But it's a lie. Incidentally, the people who created the policy to "pull out" of Gaza said the point was to put the peace process "in formaldehyde". Mind you, I'm not sure it's really "pulling out" when you still have the prison ringed with guns and you allow in just enough food for everyone to have malnutrition.
There's nothing that show how committed Israel is with a two state solution that the Israeli settlement policy. Yeah.
Arabs indeed rejected every solution. They don't want peace. Palestinian territories are controlled by the islamic brotherhood.
The idea that Israel's permission should be needed is nuts. Of course they should be allowed to have their own nation state.
And of course it is a war crime to inflict starvation on millions of civilians for the actions of some terrorist cell living among them.
i mean, hames ain't helping them either frankly thar making thing worse.
@@jackjames7283And israels doing the making worse
@@jackjames7283 Yes and no. On the one hand, they are an easily available distraction to point at whenever you don't want to negotiate with the palestinians. While Fatah and PLO have both recognised Israel in principle (the borders are not fully defined, by design) whenever Israel wants to point at palestinians that have not recognised it they point at Hamas.
On the other hand, the two state discussion has been stalled for more than a decade and the atrocities have actually brought movement into it- that's the closest they have gotten to a state in the last 20 years or more. The US, EU and Israel could live with the status quo quite well, 7/10 shattered that notion.
@@jjr5233 let be honest nither side would find a 2 state solution that would please both Isreal is far to paranoid to give a inch and Palestinian is 1 not helping with the paranoia and 2 wants to get rid of Isreal all together so your stuck between a rock and a hard place.
@@mdsaad9805 Isreal doesn't need to do jack they are at war with a people that openly wants them deaf and gone.
I like how literally everybody ignores WHY Hamas exists
Why
@@WorkSmartAndHardIsrael is why.
Netanyahu specifically directed funding their way because he thought that having a militant religious enemy was better than a secular one like what exists in the West Bank. He encouraged them to execute their political rivals in 2006, and to not hold elections.
Netanyahu is the reason Hamas exists, because it’s better when you can manufacture a pretext instead of waiting around for one.
To free Palestine from Israel
Let's not pretend Hamas is motivated primarily by historical conflict with Israel. They're Jihadists, they targeted civilians, raped women. They were also voted in democratically. With the vast majority of Gazans reporting in polling that they thought the October 7th massacre was the correct thing to do.
I'm sure there are dissenters, but they're the minority. You can't be a jihadist and a moral person.
@@ATbear0912 Hamas is a terrorist organization that kills civilians even their own
Free Palestine... from hamas
Lock Him (Bibi) Up.
Free Israel from the war criminal Bibi.
And the zionists
From ist occupation
adn from Israel
By recognising Palestine, these countries have taught Hamas that starting wars works to get recognition
a lot of third world countries gained independence that way, the same could be said to Israel early life
@@karu3067 difference is Israel was attacked when they agreed to the UN resolution in 1948 and declared themselves a country where Hamas was the aggressor here
I'm not sure if you knew buddy... But starting wars is the main way countries get recognition: Look for example at "The United States", which declared themselves independent by also declaring war on the British a while back
@@sethwellendorf9891 so you're just gonna ignore how the "Jews" got there in the first place?
What you meant to say was that they learned that terrorism is a good way to get clout and that if you use TikTok to promote yourself, you can get your lies out more easily. Yes, Israel needs to stop civilian deaths, but Hamas needs to stop putting bunkers full of weapons under schools and hospitals too.
Two state solution is crazy. The issue is Israel being colonizers.
You mean Jews from Northern Africa and the Middle East fleeing to Israel are colonizers?
Maybe, but good luck trying to uproot it from the Levante now. The best we can do right now is ensure the Palestinians have sovereignty over a home-state that is well-recognised.
Oh no! The buzzword!
bro graduated from the McDonalds bathroom
So what's the solution?
It should be no surprise to anyone that we Irish continue to stand with the oppressed given our own, all too recent, history, as well as the fact that our nation is still, in part, occupied by foreign powers.
The Irish government could and should do so much more though. The Occupied Territories Bill (which would ban and criminalize trade and economic support with Israel, as well as other territories deemed to be Occupying Forces) has been approved by our Seanad (Senate), but the government refuse to let it go to a vote in the Dáil (Parliament). The American military, who are supplying Israeli forces with the weaponry being used in this genocide, should also be banned from landing at Shannon Airport.
Saoirse don Phalaistín 🇵🇸🇮🇪🇵🇸🇮🇪
It's not a genocide and your president called a hostage that returned a "lost child"
Unfortunately Ireland's only real policy is "the opposite of what England wants." They're so antisemitic they sent condolences to Germany when Hitler died!
😂
🇮🇱
Your people sent condolences to Germany when Hitler painted the wall with his brain matter.
Palestinians dont want a two-state solution XD
That's not true. There are TWO Palestinian groups. One is Hamas, in Gaza. The other is Palestinian Authority, in West Bank.
For a good 13 years, Netanyahu's government had a policy of funding Hamas as their personal asset, even encouraging them to execute political rivals, because they knew that Hamas opposed the 2-state solution and that the PA wanted it.
Rightly so, why would they give up the land that was stolen from them. Would you give up half of your house to a home invader?
@@simont.4633 - Many of them DO want a peaceful 2-state solution. The Palestinian Authority, which controls the West Bank, and stood politically opposed to Hamas, had been pushing for it.
However, Israel actively funded Hamas in the hopes that this would prevent Palestine from becoming a state.
What they didn't expect was the extremist militant group turning around to attack Israel.
@@simont.4633The problem with that point is it ignores reality. The reality that arabs lost all the wars. If two sides cant negotiate to resolve a conflict then the only solution is destruction. Israel has that capability, palestinians dont, its in their best interest to accept a two state solution and peace. Cause, wether anuone likes it or not, Israel is not going anywhere.
@@simont.4633 "Rightly so, why would they give up the land that was stolen from them" I mean I'm sure the jews were thinking the same thing when the Ottomans deported them from Jarusalem, Tel Aviv, Jaffa, etc.
Sorry to all the Free Palestine supporters out there, but until terrorists are no longer in control of the nation, they don’t get their seat, or recognition in the UN. The world is much safer this way.
So, what qualifies as a terrorist in your mind? Fun fact it’s dictionary definition is vague that one could argue the us military counts as a terrorist organization.
@@thequacken3226 I believe a terrorist is a group/organization that with no justification, actively commits harmful and damaging attacks for the sole purpose of scaring and emotionally scarring victims. Israel has justification for their attacks, and so does America.
@@thequacken3226a group of individuals that commit war crimes by attacking unarmed citizens in other countries, taking hostages, using illegally obtained and illegal weapons to fight. The U.S. Military does not fit this description, but many Middle Eastern organizations bent on taking over Israel do.
@thequacken3226 I'd imagine launching missiles at civilian targets with no militarily strategic value in order to create fear and terror would count as terrorism
@@TrueFlameslinger fascinating because that’s what Israel is doing and what the us has done multiple times in the past. So are they terrorists?
Jesus this comment section is salty. Honestly I'm glad my government actually stopped being hypocritical for once and actually recognised Palestine. Also the Israelis throwing a tantrum over this is hilarious. You don't get to invade a place and then act like you're the victim here.
That's there homeland. Even the Quran recognizes it as the Jewish homeland
honestly i dont think this argument will really convince anyone, people dont care that they lived there 1000 years ago, especially since israel is bombing the descendants of people who stayed yknow. @@kingjonstarkgeryan8573
You can’t make an argument for Israel being a “homeland” just because a religious book from thousands of years says so.
@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 hey, the Celtic homeland is where Austria is now, does that mean settlers from Cornwall and Wales can displace the Austrian people?
@@kingjonstarkgeryan8573 what about all the people who were living there when the British army forced them out during the Nakba?
The problem is palestine DOESNT want a 2 state solution
It has been offered to them time and time again but the constantly reject it
That is the reason for almost all the conficts în the region for the last almost 80 years
That's not the problem. The problem is that Benjamin Netanyahu was funding Hamas for 13 years as a part of Israel policy, while actively encouraging Hamas to execute their political rivals, specifically with the intent of preventing Palestine from becoming its own state.
Because the other caveats in the deals Israel proposes would completely neuter and make dependent any Palestinian 'state' that would exist completely unviable. Israel is delibirately proposing these unacceptable deals that look reasonable on the surface so that the cam point to the Palestinians and call them unreasonable.
All the deals that were offered prevented Palestinians from having their own military, fertile land and gave them less than half of the land which Israel can have their own military. Stop with the lies
You gotta be real damn ignorant to believe this, we have literal maps of Palestine getting smaller and smaller from israel's hundreds of land grabs over the decades.
I'm impressed by how many sock puppets are saying this falsehood.
Good thing the UN doesn’t do shit
Israel could listen to the International Court, but it won't because it's a terrorist state
Holy Based
What did u expect they r not force of power, think it as a social club.
@@matthewcheng4158 That's exactly what they are. No one can enforce anything they do. It only serves to provide an excuse for the sufficiently powerful to do as they wish. Should the powerful chose to to something that the UN doesn't want them to do, they do it anyway and the UN can't go a damn thing about it.
UN cant risk his neck against murica
No one else finds it weird that the Palestinians are being protected and fought for and being given all these special things. But meanwhile the Ugyhurs have been suffering for years and not a word.
It’s because Palestine is the popular thing to support now. People only care about something as long as it’s relevant or “cool” to do so.
@@ceres5177 What you're giving is the white, American/European perspective. Since 2017, we have held campaigns, raised funds and tried to raise awareness by sharing a list of brands that use Uyghur slaves (zara, nike, h&m, etc.). Americans/europeans don't suddenly support oppressed groups because they want to be 'cool' but because they're uneducated on matters or are willfully ignorant. Those who have empathy and are finally exposed to the information about certain issues, they will try to make a difference and inform other Americans/Europeans.
Meanwhile too :
Millions of foreign tourists visit Xinjiang every year. They see Uyghur culture flourishing. They see mosques practically around every corner. They see pregnant Uyghur women. They see Uyghur children playing in the streets. If China is committing genocide, it’s doing a really, really terrible job of it.
Look at Chinese paper currency. There is Uyghur script in the top right corner. Shouldn’t genocide erase all traces of Uyghur culture?
Look at the population stats for Xinjiang…
From Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region Statistics Bureau
The Uighur population in 2020 was 12.1 million, about 800,000 higher than in 2015. What kind of genocide is this???
Should we trust what we read in Western media. It’s full of anti-China propaganda. If you can’t go to Xinjiang, then at least talk to people who’ve been to Xinjiang. Or who live in Xinjiang.
Even Turkey which is religiously and ethnically linked to Xinjiang hasn't accused China of genocide.
Turkey is culturally, genetically and culturally linked to Xinjiang yet hasn't accused China of genocide, despite being a very vocal activist for muslim human rights. Erdogan sent ships to Bangladesh to pick up Rohingyas and his wife personally joined this rescue mission. Erdogan even put economic ties with Europe in jeopardy by attacking the EU on various issues, so you can't possibly accuse Turkey of being careful not to offend China.
In order to be able to accuse a country or a government of genocide there must be proof in the way of instructions or documents that order the extermination of a certain population. Even the slaughter of the Rohingyas cannot be officially classified as genocide.
The fact that the Uyghur were not subject to the one-child policy and that Uyghurs can enter top universities in China much easier would debunkers such ‘genocide’ claims. The Uyghur language is one of the official minority languages in China and its Arab writing can be seen on Chinese banknotes.
Maybe wanna try again and stop spewing whatever the hell BBC...CNN and those trolgodyte sources are parroting for years??
What's next? Hong Kong "activists" and "protesters" that somehow are living comfortably and are publishing books in UK or US are the spearhead of democracy for China?? Yeah dude do me a favor and open a book or too...at least try to read facts before trying to blend Palestine which is proved the moment I'm writing this comment about everything IsNotReal does with Xinjiang or HK or ROC when nothing happens in all these!
The south of my country is currently destroyed because of a giant flood, no one internationally comments. Literally thousands of deaths, and it happens man, there's no way to notice everything, we have 140 active wars nowadays.
You mean what they've been offered multiple times? Sure, that'll totally work this time.
This needs to be pinned.
So . . . this keeps getting repeated over and over in slightly different words. (And it's, you know, not true). How many accounts do you have, exactly?
@@purplelibraryguy8729 Your comment is simply attacking without substance. You think that a two state solution is what Palestinians want or they want it all? 70% say all.
So would a two state solution give peace, as your side must claim? And if it doesn't, do you agree Israel should have the right to take ALL of Palestine in self defense? If so, I can agree with you 100.
When was Palestine offered an actual two-State solution? It was always "you can call it yours and live here BUT Israel controls the air space, the water, the security, the economy...", in other words, Palestine kept rejecting becoming a colony in their own land.
@@IunanecThey were offered a State of Palestine in 1936, 1948 and 1967. They rejected every offer.
Also, it was never their land. Ever.
dude how many times are we gonna try the two state solution
Until Arabic blood runs out apparently
You can't have a two-state solution if there is nobody else to claim the other state
Or what, leave the perpetrators and victims of a genocide in the same state or create millions of refugees? No matter who gets power, they can't be trusted to handle it responsibly. Israel has already set a precedent of violating agreements and has literally been facilitating a genocide for decades, and the victims of genocide aren't too likely to treat their oppressors nicely.
We haven't tried it once yet. That's the problem. Netanyahu and his political faction had been funding Hamas for 13 years, with the specific goal of preventing Palestine from becoming it's own state. The result was the Hamas attack on Israel last October.
Great argument unfortunately there is literally no evidence of this
@@davis7428 - There is. Netanyahu has openly admitted it for years, calling Hamas his "asset". Go look it up, it's all over Google.
I would add a link, but A) YT will auto-delete the comment and B) you probably don't actually care enough to research anything that proves your opinion wrong.
Oh you mean a unilateral decision like the one THEY MADE in the first place and created this whole shit show ? Hahaha
What unilateral decision did the US make that cause any of this?
The creation of the state of Israel
@@anmolt3840051 It was the British Peel Commission in 1937 who proposed it, and the UN General Assembly in 1947 who adopted a plane to separate Palestine into a Jewish and Palestinian state, not a singular move by the US. Believe it or not the US had very little to do with fucking up the world in the first place.
@@anmolt3840051 That was done by the Britisch
1948 UN Resolution, Britain just gave up the territory it was going to lose anyways yo independence movements
Now let’s do Taiwan next when all this is over.
That would mean breaking relations with Beijing, which Europe cannot afford with the current economic situation. Plus it's unlikely anyway since the EU has been getting closer to Beijing recently
Can't. It would infuriate Beijing, who is far more of a threat than Jerusalem/ tel Aviv. Not to mention Beijing is a permanent member on the security Council and will veto it
bro atleast china not genociding people at taipei
So it's not about people, it's about ideology.
Well it is about people, but sometimes those people are domestic voters who would be hit in the wallet.
I swear I keep on seeing these comments about recognising Hamas. DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT THE WEST BANK EXISTS. IT IS RULED BY THE PA NOT HAMAS AND WILL BE THE RECOGNISED GOVERNMENT BECAUSE NOBODY OUTSIDE OF IRAN RECOGNISES HAMAS. Please if your going to comment about this issue at least know who is actually involved.
Well, de facto yes the PA can rule Gaza, except for the tiny part where Gaza chose not to do that and elected Hamas instead, so force would be required even there. Who is going to put in that force? Should be UN Peacekeepers but they are shit at their job
You realize Gaza voted in HAMAS, right?...talk about knowing who is involved lol
I'm not justifying Israel, and I understand why Gazans would vote for HAMAS, but at the end of the day a violent party (and they were violent from the start) was decided into power regardless of why. You can support Palestine and Palestinians and denounce HAMAS but you can't forget that the Palestinians themselves put them there in power and even to this moment at least a small majority in Palestine supports HAMAS...
@@maximusasauluk7359 they only technically voted them in. They weren't actually popular, people just voted for them as a protest vote not expecting that literally everyone else would be doing so. Almost every vote for them was put in with the thought that they wouldn't actually get in it was quite literally an accidental vote. If you actually research for once in your life, you'll see that the people have never trusted them.
@cake_9510 Actually, they were popular just because back then they were seen to be less corrupt. But that's just the simple part of it
@@cake_9510 a) that's a bold and very convenient claim based on, apparently, a feeling but no evidence and b) there is evidence of polls and Palestinian people (in and outside Palestine) talking of their support of HAMAS, before and after the October event. Which not only contradicts your "it was an accident" argument, but is actual proof. Riddle me that, so much for doing your research, eh?
This fight is dragged out enough. Hope it ends soon no more blood should be shed than necessary
too late
@@IsaacMyers1 well I do admit that blood has been shed The hostages have not been freed, and the aggressors are still at large
@@user-gd6se5qb9c he wasn't talking about this war, the conflict could've ended at the start if the arabs actually cooperated with the UN or at least with the jews, but they always just said "no" and refused to elaborate
@@pretro6136 You know when the Nazi's invaded Poland they killed 30k civilians, ya know, the actual Nazi's? Did you know when the US went after the Taliban after 9/11 they made precession strikes, avoided civilian casualties as much as possible, and did not target every hospital in their path and detain and torture doctors?
Now which of these 2 events is Israel more closely recreating? A invasion of a foreign land believed is theirs while massacring the population or a precession strike against a terrorist organization?
@@pretro6136would let China ethnically cleans 70% of Americans and steal their homes and 80% of their land? This is literally blaming the victim for defending themselves.
I would buy poofy pen merch from Washington Post
bumper magnet that looks like poofy pen
Bezos doesn’t need any more money. lol
@@YellaBellaRenoDoes Washpo actually make money at this point? Bezos spent a lot to bail them out.
@@simperingham if you give him money, he makes money. Any money he gets takes away from his total cost, making his vanity projects cheaper. The Washington post made $330 million last year I think. They lost $70 million. The Wall Street Journal and the industry as a whole is actually profitable, though… so it’s not like he can’t make a profit. Also, there are more ways to profit than just monetarily. It benefits Bezos to be in media; it gives him more control of the narrative, and that could ultimately net him money.
There already is a Palestinian state. It's called Jordan. Jews left the Sinai, Gaza, and parts of the West Bank in exchange for peace, it never happened.
Why can't it get solved?
Read "The Palestinian Delusion" by Robert Spencer
The Palestinians were offered a two state solution not once but twice and refused it both times.
In 1937 the British Peel commission concluded that the Mandate for Palestine was not working and recommended a partition into Arab and Jewish states. The Arab state would be about 80% of Palestine and the Jewish state about 20%. The Arabs rejected the plan. The Jews accepted it but there is some doubt as to whether they intended to limit themselves to only 20% of the land.
In 1947 the UNSCOP proposed a partition into Arab and Jewish states as well. This time the Jewish state would be about 55% of the land, but much of it would be the barren Negev desert. Again, the Arabs rejected the plan and began a civil war.
In 1948 Israel declared its independence and the Arab nations near Palestine, Egypt, Syria, Jordan, joined in the war.
The war ended with Jordan in control of the West Bank, Egypt in control of Gaza and Israel in control of just about everything else.
You're conveniently forgetting to mention the fact that all of those partition plans would've included hundreds of thousands of palestinians to be kicked out of there homes to be forced to a new place they have never lived in before.
Let me put this in perspective. If i came to you tomorrow and told you "uh yeah so we decided to kick you out of your home and make you to move to the other side of the country because we decided to give your home to another country instead. Sorry for making your uproot your entire life. Cheers, with love Israel
Israel didn't declare anything. The British and Americans declared Israel a state in 1948 and Israel immediately went to war to expand on the small sliver of land given to them.
@@ABC-sc2ip That's just flat out not true. Learn some actual history.
In 1947 the UN voted to adopt the Majority Proposal of the UNSCOP. This would have divided Palestine into an Arab state, a Jewish state and an international zone consisting of Jerusalem and Bethlehem. Britain was one of ten countries that abstained on the vote.
The Jews accepted the plan and the Arabs rejected it. That led to civil war between Arab and Jewish militias. The British withdrew and the Mandate for Palestine ended on May 14th, 1948. That same day the establishment of the state of Israel was declared by David Ben Gurion the head of the Jewish Agency for Palestine.
The establishment of Israel led to the invasion of Palestine by Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. The war continued until 1949.
I suspect you have a misconception about what is known as Plan Dalet or Plan D which was a military operation designed to capture additional territory and establish more easily defended and secure borders during the civil war.
The war ended with Jordan in control of the West Bank which it annexed in 1950, Egypt in control of Gaza and Israel in control of the rest of Palestine. Funny how Jordan and Egypt didn't give that land back to the Palestinians isn't it?
@@ABC-sc2ip That is wrong, It was orginally apart of Egypt when ever Egypt and a few other different countries declared war on Israel, in which the USA helped the newly made Israel.
@@ABC-sc2ipLiberals trying to twist history be like
Israel made several negotiations with Palestine that includes two-state solutions. Hamas turned them all down. Palestine will not stop until Israel is off the map. Israel has just as much right to exist as a state as Palestine does, if not more.
Israel is literally made of settlers that moved from Europe and purged the land of its people because their ancestors lived there eons ago
After the deal in the 1990s Palestine agreed to the two state solution but Israel kept axing more parts of the West Bank with every proposal and shutting down any negotiation that doesn't suit them !
You sir, need to separate Palestine into the the Palestinian people and Hamas. They are not the same thing. And historically, Palestine is the one whose seen land lost to Israel. Not the other way around and not in just war, but much of it in Israeli government sanctioned stealing.
@@simondahl5437 first of all, Palestinians largely support Hamas, so the line for separation is thin. Secondly, Israel gave up large portions of their state, namely Gaza and Sinai, to Palestine in pursuit of peace. And yet the war rages on. It goes to show that Palestine will not rest until the Israeli state is off the map for good.
Israel was literally built on pushing out the native Palestinians from their own land. A two state solution is laughable. If someone broke into your house and locked you into the basement. You would want your house back, not joint ownership
@@ethandavis2373 Israel didn't give up anything. Gaza was never theirs. Not in 1948 and not in 250 BC. They colonized it and when they were called out about it by the international community they begrudgingly gave it back and turned it into a massive concentration camp. And then in October, they created a false flag (Mossad worked directly with Hamas, who are really actually Israeli funded agents) and have been trying to ethnically cleanse Gaza ever since. Israel (really the US) is particularly interested in the billions worth of oil off the Gaza coast.
Now lets see if they recognize Taiwan next.
Sure and while we are at it we can dub China as West Taiwan.
Is Taiwan experiencing a gen9side? China is literally better than the US and its Middle Eastern colony 😂
@@_blank-_ do a country need to have a genocide to be recognized? I would think a stable economy, working democracy and not bombing and killing neighbouring countries would be enough..
@@_blank-_ There is none in palastine too
Taipei would need to declare freedom from Beijing first. As of now, Taiwan doesn't consider itself an independent country from China but rather the legitimate government of China.
Correction: there will be no peace in the middle east.
That is about the safest assumption anyone has ever made.
@@Snipergoat1Fr. What will happen if the jews are driven out ? Hamas fought fatah once, Iran fought the whole ME because they’re shias.
This region and religion arent meant for peace.
There is no reason to believe there will be peace in the Middle East even with such recognition.
It's a start.
@@triccele How so?
Agreed. Context is really important. If my country of Norway recognized following the Oslo treaty, it gives a sign that negotiations works. Now, it gives a sign that terrorism works.
@@youngnorwegianpatriot9028 the recognition came after Israel killed thousands of Palestinians in terror attacks using jets and bombs and after Israeli government said they will settle Gaza with foreigners and push Arabs to the desert
@@davidreinker5600 Because Palistinia will get more help.
These people really didn’t read the public goals of Hamas
The problem is that hamas does not equal Palestine
Or Likud. Oh, you didn't know about those?
@@petmashup2672 nope. Just the majority of it. If it equaled Palestine entirely then the region could have been glassed and forgotten about. The reason the conflict is a challenge is because there are innocents.
Innocents, I might add, that Hamas uses as strategic meat shields over top of their military assets.
@@DeadlyEnzyme I feel like we’re in agreement
@@petmashup2672 almost assuredly. We just get the “how much do we support Israel’s actions till now” different
I stand with Israel 🇮🇱
schlomo detected
Fun fact. Israel offered a two state solution. Palestine rejected it in the 50’s or smt like that
Way more than just once too, one of the earlier deals was a 90-10 split in favour of the Palestinians and they still rejected it, there can be no Palestinian state because they don't want a Palestinian state, they only want the complete eradication of Israel at any cost
that still won't justify a genocide...
In 1948 Israel get 50% of the land even though Jew only is 1/3 population of Palestine. And to counter this Palestine propose one state solution where everybody is equal, but Zionist reject it and only recognize UN partition plan.
@@Chambi10614You might wanna read the definition of that word and educate yourself before you throw it around.
@@VieleGuteFahrer you should tell that to the University Network of Human rights
I'm amused that anyone talks about it as a "unilateral" recognition. Every recognition is obviously bilateral, since it includes the nation that recognizes and the nation that is recognized. "Unilateral" is just doublespeak for "without Israel's approval."
So which palestinian state and government do you recognize?
The Hamas regime in Gaza? Or the Palestinian Authority in the west bank? Technically they are in a civil war so which government are you recognizing as the legitimate representative of the nation of palestine?
Also what borders are you recognizing that exist that constitute palestine? The 1948 borders? The 1967 borders? The defacto borders? The proposed 2001 two state solution borders?
@@BrutusAlbion I don't recognize anything, it's Ireland, Norway, Spain and more than 140 other countries that do.
The whole word except Israel and USA = unilateral
unilateral as in "one side of the conflict"
@@arnbrandy Yeah nothing they recognized has any meaning since we'd still end up talking about the same things I asked. What borders do they recognize? Palestine cannot be occupied if they don't even know what parts are supposedly occupied or which government it should be returned too in the case of de-occupation now innit?
US try not to veto challenge
(Impossible)
Not just the US. Russia and China too. The UN is a sham, and the Security Council ensures that nothing of relevance to peacekeeping will ever be done. If it benefits the West, Russia or China vetoes. If it benefits the East, the US France and/or UK veto
I support unilateral declaration of independences
Yep, just like the US way back when from the Brits... and then against the south... and -
Free Catalonia!
@@ponytoast1231 In the most recent election the independence parties lost the majority.
So you are asking for a mayor political change without the aproval of most of the population, that does seen undemocratic ...
Everything outside the 1967 borders is up for grades in terms of international recognition
@@herplederpledoodledoo yea declared independence. We fought. We didn't ask for a ceasefire. We won. France didn't say take it easy on the poor Americans. We had to win. Innocent people died. That's how it works.
"He believes a Palestinian state should be realized through direct negotiations between the parties". Translation: The U.S. wants to stretch this out for as long as possible, so that the Israelis can freely build their illegal settlements on the remaining Palestinian territories, so that after a few decades, nothing will be left to negotiate about.
The Israeli people have already given up almost all of their homeland just to make peace but Palestine is refusing any negotiation
the Palestinian authority itself refuses to believe it is a state despite outsiders recognition of it as such. its complicated the only way for two states is negotiation. both Israel and Palestine want a one state solution with only there side remaining which doesn't help.
@@treasurebrotherz5586 Uhm...you mean the land granted to Palestine via the Mandate of Palestine in 1928 and then the subsequent Mandate of the State of Israel in 1948? Then after, Israeli settlers for 75 years taking more and more of the Palestinian's land by force until Gaza and the West Bank were all that were left? And now "settlers" are stealing more land while the Palestinians are forced from their homes? Get real.
I believe the entirety of Israel is rightfully Israeli. No, I don’t think the people deserve any harm and such, but I do believe that the land is Israeli
@@twixmaestr7605 But, according to the Torah, and instructed by the Teachers through the Talmud, Israel is never allowed to have a nation until after the return of the Messiah. ..
There’s not even one Palestine state. Gaza and West Bank have two different governments and act separately from each other , so which one is recognized?
the one inn the west bank is the one normally reconsidered
Actually only west has government east is in name only it fully controlled by Israel.
@RoyalLegend1000 but will the other government agree.
The Palestinians should decide
@@sabotabby3372 and they will choose hames at least ones in Gaza
I stand with Israel
.. and on the right side of History 💙🇮🇱. You dropped this 👑!
At this point, I dont care. Let the ME figure it out. No more proxy wars. They need to figure this out. Im tired of seeing US money and lives going into this region. If a two state is required, fine. ME has seen no peace ever since colonialism hit it. Peace to all but I wish the US didn't get involved at all.
Let him cook
He’s got this
I wish our tax dollars weren't funding a genocide
to be fair, that seems to be the only thing people that want a peaceful solution from both sides seem to agree on.
ME?
They've been pouring lots of money in both sides to get what they want, and it won't stop lol
US dumped more money into Isreal then taking care of its own vets which was sum of 93 billion.
Pull out of the east entirely and stop back pedaling.
Nice plan you left out the part where the countries that vow d**th to America will yk act upon that creating unnecessary wars, more soldiers, 50x increase in military and war effort spending and more.. wait for it… you guessed it new and old neglected veterans.
Don’t get me wrong the system ain’t perfect but your resolution is far from the solution
The USA has never done the right thing by its soldiers after any war in history. I don't know why you guys act like it's some kind of surprise or fall for the glory propaganda.
We have multiple industries tied in Israel, leaving would be an economic disaster.
Not to mention, in large part we aren’t sending money. It’s equipment, same as Ukraine.
Your leaving out that half of that was for Ukraine. But I agree nonetheless.
Hah!! “Peace in the Middle East.”
Funniest joke I’ve heard all day
Kay why ess
@@chikenmcnuggets4899Never speak again.
It could have happened if not for the US and isreal.
It's in their vested interest to keep the region in conflict.
@@ElectricAlien577 You basically blamed Israel because the muslims neighbours hate that it exists and wants to cleanse them all, so if it weren't for them existing there would be peace. Which is not even remotely true anyway, there are still PLENTY of conflicts going on between the muslim countries as well. So you're 100% full of bs.
Right? to many Muslims...
“There will no peace in the Middle East without it”
One of the dumbest sentences I have ever heard.
What does peace in the Middle East means? Cause according to you it means Palestinian state without any thoughts of what happens after that.
Does peace in the Middle East means the Houtis movement will stop existing? Of course not. Your idea that peace in the Middle East is possible is just the idea that forcing a Palestinian state on Israel to appease the extremists is possible. A flawed view on the Middle East and the entire world.
so forcing a Palestinian state on Israel is bad, but forcing a Israeli state on Palestinian is ok? yeah ok that isn't contradictory at all.
Anyway no one is even arguing for a Palestinian to be forced on Israel. Plus, while Palestine being independent wont instantly lead to peace in the middle east, it sure will make the lives of millions of people a lot better, which, if you ask me, would for sure help in reaching peace, would it not? Trying using your brain sometimes
@@April-xl1ht
Maybe you should try not instantly being rude? I don’t think you understand what I’m saying.
What I’m saying is that forcing a Palestinian upon Israel will literally solve nothing in the Middle East. Ironically this conflict is so minor compared to the others it’s actually comedic.
A Palestinian state won’t bring peace to the Middle East if you don’t know how to define peace in The Middle East.
If you define it as a situation without wars then how would a Palestinian state even help?
If you define it as making a Palestinian state without think clearly of what happens next then of course you would bring peace in Middle East. At least until the next major war.
Would Palestinian state stop the houtis? Would a Palestinian state means Iran doesn’t get nuclear weapons?
Would a Palestinian state stop the current war in Sudan and stop Azerbaijan and Armenia from killing each other?
What about the Kurds would they get Kurdistan?
I’m not calling them out for supporting Palestine, I’m calling them out giving the wrong definition to a minor conflict.
If you think it would help reach a Middle Eastern peace then be my guest and explain but a Middle Eastren peace needs to include at least some of the list above.
@@happyjay9168 I have already answered all your questions already in the previous comment. But I'll explain it to you like you're 5.
To start off, no one is forcing a Palestine state on Israel, its much the opposite in fact. But lets ignore that lie for now.
As I have said, would Palestine becoming a state instantly make the Middle East a happy little region filled with nothing but sunshine and rainbows? No, obviously. But issues like descrimination, extremism and terrorism don't come out of nowhere. No one goes out with the boys to the bar one day and go "hey wanna go commit acts of terror next friday?". These things come out of social instability.
For example, Hamas exists due to social instability due to Israeli apartheid, which is when one ethnic group has all the rights in a nation (in this case, the Jewish) and another group has none of the rights (in this case, the palestinains). Had there been no social instability (i.e the aparteid) there would've been no Hamas. This applies to everywhere, not just Palestine. The N@zis, for example, were much the same, as that terror group only could exist due to the social instability in germany after the treaty of versailles after WW1.
Recognising Palestine would be one step in bringing social stability to palestine. If Palestinians would be treated equal and not be second class citizens in the Israeli apartheid, then that would lead to more social stability, more social stability leads to more social progression. And that would be one step, even if small, to bringing peace to the middle east.
To use germany as an example again. After WW2, instead of punishing germany for the war, the west helped to develop germany. This lead to more social stability, which allowed germany to social progress. And what do you know? It worked. Germany in modern day being one of the most successful, developed and progressive countries in modern day. Had we punished germany for WW2, like what we are doing to Palestine right now, it would've just lead to a N@zi 2. Social instability leads to extremism, social stability leads to progress. It is as simple as that.
@@April-xl1ht
Listen I asked you this once and I’m not gonna ask again stop being rude.
Otherwise this whole conversation is worthless. I want to have a debate however I asked you the bare minimum of being polite. If you don’t want to talk like a normal human being you can leave but don’t come here call me a 5 years old and tell me to “use my brain”. I have an opinion and I genuinely enjoy seeing your opinion however I won’t be able to respond if you are being rude.
Are you able to have a normal conversation or do you want to continue insulting me? Your choice.
If you choose positively I’ll answer to what you’ve stated. Until then I will not give you my answer.
@@happyjay9168 I'm sorry that I was being rude in the first comment, but I wasn't even trying yo be rude in the second one I swear 😭 when i said "I'll explain it like you're 5" I didn't mean to call you a 5 yr old, I just mean it as "I'll explain it very simply". Sorry if it came off the wrong way tho
I like how everyone either has forgotten or ignores the fact that every single time in the past when it came to implementing a “two state solution” Israel has always said yes, while the “palestinians” always refuse, mostly by attacking Israeli settlements like on Oct 7th.
That turns out to be a lie when you find out what really happened. Much the way a whole lot of what Israel claims turns out to be lies. There was only one powerful Israeli who ever wasn't faking willingness to do the two-state solution; the Israeli right assassinated him.
I like how everyone has forgotten how two states got there to begin with when Palestine was forced to give their territory to a pop up settler colonial state. There should be only one state. Ethnostates are always unethical and buckle under the weight of their own "purity" because there must always be an "other" to ostracize and exclude. I like how people still invoke October 7th in the face of a literal genocide and ethnic cleansing that has been slowly occurring since Israel's conception. How many Palestinian children must be mulched for you to see them as people worthy of respect, life, liberty, and self determination. Be so fucking for real.
Lmao
Quick question, why are there Israeli settlements? Why are there Israeli settlers? Seems strange
Hamas wants a two state solution? That’s not “from the river to the sea” 🥴
Hamas isn't the Palestinian authority.
The Jordan river and the Mediterranean Sea both border the Palestinian state through gaza and the west bank 😂
@victorien3704 they were elected in 2006 and held power since so they kinda are
@@TheLunatrick Hamas only has power in Gaza. They have absolutely no presence in the west bank. Regardless of that fact, Israel hurts and oppresses palestinians in the west bank as well
@@TheLunatrick the mental gymnastics is mad lmao Hamas are NOT the internationally recognised Palestinian National Authority
Says alot when the only profiles who are against Palestine are faceless bots
EDIT: And obvious trolls apparently. Rage bait used to actually be believable, c'mon now
So are the people for Palestine lmao. You thought you said something.
I uh, hate to say it, but after reviewing my father's online activities recently, he could well be one of these "faceless bots". Old people don't use profile photos, much less speak in the common online dialect.
Not discounting bots, we're heading for dead internet for sure, but it's really easy to overlook a lot of real people with that statement. People who's hearts and minds need to be reached.
Oh shit, I'm not real anymore.
@@RedOnItEE Wow, I thought that phrase would trip the filters for sure.
says a lot more that you call all of them bots with one of the most popular pfp for bots
Great video! I love how you always use duplicates of yourself to represent groups!
There already is a Palestinian state. It's called Jordan. Jews left the Sinai, Gaza, and parts of the West Bank in exchange for peace, it never happened.
Why can't it get solved?
Read "The Palestinian Delusion" by Robert Spencer
It’s a good motion and all but it’s important to remember than Israel has no motivation to surrender and so far all two party solutions have been rejected by the Palestinian side. Diplomatic pressure on a largely self sufficient state will not go far.
Did you actually ever read the "solutions" proposed by Israel in the past?
If you have, it becomes obvious that Israel never actually wanted one, which is why they propose ridiculous terms that no one would ever accept.
That way, they can blame the impasse on the Palestinians while guaranteeing that the 2SS never becomes a reality.
@xactol i mean, what did the Palestinian ever do to help fix the situation except blow stuff up.
@@jackjames7283 Funnily enough, that's how the pre-Israelis got the Brits out.
@@jjr5233 but this is not the brits this is Isreal thar difference.
@@jackjames7283 It has historical relevance as the Israeli militias threw the brits out of the mandate area through terrorist attacks, and the plo/fatah only got anywhere after adopting terrorist attacks as well. Read up on the conflict, it's tragic.
I love when the "international community" is literally just europe, the US, and its friends
The issue is that they dont want a 2 state system, Palestine has been offered a state classification numerous times and they have declined.
If they wanted a two state solution maybe they should have replied with "okay" when they were offered one multiple times instead of launching missiles at civilian territories and starting multiple wars.
If they want a palestinian state, they have to play nice first
The West Bank has been pretty nice though? I don't think they've launched any missiles recently.
Yes. The fact that they're only being "Recognized as a state" after the massacre on October 7th, the kidnapping of over 200 innocent people including infants, and almost a year of war... sets a pretty frightening precedent for other terror groups and would-be dictators
@@racool911 man forget about this guy,the "first agreement" was so full of bullshit that no sane person would accept it.
Palestine has rejected every offer ever given.
When a terrorist organisation is let into the UN, you should know enough about the UN.
As a Norwegian, I agree with my government, and I’m glad it isn’t corrupt or even close to as bad as anything like, for example, the USA
Hey! We aren't that bad well there taxes but that about it
@@privatefellow6589 the US? No, we are that bad
Your ignorance is laughable
@@privatefellow6589"There's taxes"
The Norwegians pay even more taxes than we do and they LOVE to do so because they aren't afraid of social programs or public works like we are.
@@privatefellow6589 Vietnam and Iraq: are we a joke to you?
As an Irish person I’m appalled by them saying that, we are supposed to be a neutral country , why are we sticking our heads into something that isn’t even our concern it’s retarted
Well you can't really be neutral on recognition. To recognize or not recognize both place you on a side
Rewarding terrorists is the worst idea ever. Who would govern this state. The world gone mad
so when Gaza was given freedom and they had their own elections and elected Hamas - what state was this ?
Maybe because they now hate the Zionists after killing their families? Maybe they wanted revenge? Why don’t you research about it?
A region starving with scarcely any help because Israel prevented even humanitarian aid despite the enormous population density of the region compared to its size.
When you dont even have the basic human needs, for SOME reason extremism happens, no state was truly willing to help Palestine dont even try to give an excuse there, NO ONE wished to help Palestine back then and even now its only Nominal, and here comes a group of terrorist who promises you freedom and victory in the end by fighting until the end which would llow you to feed your familly and get rid of the people who forced your people in this hellish situation.
Perhaps their grandparents where in the wrong when Israel had to fight for its survival, but all they see now is that they are being oppressed, hungry, slowly but surely genocided through starvation. Remember Adolf in Germany was ELECTED in a genuine election, because the situation was so crap that the germans rose to extremism, they only suffers a fragment of the pain most Palestinians suffers because Israel refuses the 2 state solution, and no amount of negociation will change that so long as the locals mindset doesnt radically change on their side too
From the river to the sea Israel will be free from terrorist activity.
From River to Sea Israel will be Liberated By the Hands of the Kingdom of God
There is no such nation as Israel, only Kingdom of God
The government is terrorist, how can it be free?
UN taking liberty with Palestinian lands is what’s annoying here. I agree for the two state solution but it should be on their terms otherwise we’re doomed for a repeat. That’s what the USA is saying. The creation of Israel without the Palestinians consent has sparked this.
They both deserve to live in peace! ✌️
At the time of the creation of Israel there were exactly zero Palestinians there. The Palestinians are the ones who fled when the nation was invaded by the Arab legion. The nation of Israel was formed while this invasion was going on. The Arab Muslims that stayed became citizens of this new nation and lost nothing.
The Arab legion lost in the first of a long series of frankly astounding Israeli victories. The Palestinians (as we call them now) were told they were no longer welcome in the land they abandoned in it's time of greatest need. (In fact many had joined with the invading armies) They are still pissed off about grandparents greed and cowardice.
I might be sympathetic if that was the end of it but instead they have over the last 75 years repeatedly demonstrated 1. That the Israelis were wise in telling them to stay out. and 2. The surrounding Arab-Muslim majority nations were wise in not taking them in as every nation who has have been betrayed by them. They have been awful to anyone near them and scream about being a victim if anyone responds. I once thought people and nations were being heartless about them but now I see that they are being rational about them. They are a living example of the fable of the frog and the scorpion.
@@Snipergoat1 long day at the office schlomo?
nobody needs Palestinians consent it was a uk colony that was relesed how the land is divided should be 100% up to the USA and UK
@@kadenyt6623i thini this guy’s a colonizer (as in, supporting colonialism)
I love how everyone ignores the fact that the Palestinians don't want a two-state solution!
Why should they?
If I stole your car, would you be ok with us sharing it after I bring it back?
Considering that palestine has rejected a two state solution for the last forty years, i'm not inclined to believe this'll work
You have it the other way around.
@Nerazmus only partly. Palestinian will accept the 2 state solution in territorial disputes but refuses to recognize Isreal as an independent sovereign state which is part of the deal
Never was a state of Palestine
thiss.
Suuuuure.
Where is this state? Is it the state from 1948 that Arabs refused, the one from 1967 that Arabs refused? When the Arabs refuse whatever is negotiated this time, will anyone learn?
The Norwegian far left parties, who are in government now, don’t like jews. So take that into account.
So lets consider Taiwan an independent country and tell china to respect that country's wishes first.
Hamas doesn't want a 2 state solution, that is literally the problem
Free Palestine!
What about Taiwan?
@@kizermasonTaiwan is not who we’re talking about, and whataboutisms don’t contribute to discussions.
@@BLANK-pr5qsjust admit you don’t care about anyone else
Israel is freeing Palestine, directly to Jannah. 🇮🇱
@Mer1912
It's a fad, once another incident happens, the bandwagoners will start supporting someone else.
What’s sad is that Palestine don’t want a 2 state solution. They been offered many times, even back in 1947/1948. Israel accepted, but Palestinians didn’t, and hence the whole war started and Israel won.
Palestinians won’t accept this 2 state solution, HAMAS won’t either because Israel is a “Jewish state”
its not about palestine... its not about recognition ... .THEY are the ones not accepting Israels existence. they are the issue
neither is israel with palenstine
I honestly don't see how a two state solution can work at this point. There has to be a benefit to both sides, so other than it being the right thing to do and making the international community happy, what benefits does Israel get? Honest question, yes it's the right thing to do, but people seldomly do the right thing for no other reason than it's the right thing.
They could have legal leniency for their actions over the last 75 years
That's why Israel must be forced to do what everyone else knows is right.
South Africa did not become two countries. c:
Israel is giving 2 state solutions since it exists, and before that, the british also tried, the issue here is Palestine
@@Fadeway101 India and Pakistan became two states.
Hell, look at the Yugoslav war in the 90s and they all became states.
People gotta find acceptance and community otherwise petty differences are going to tear them apart…….again.
So it's basically "give them what they want so they stop throwing a hissy fit"?
usa best nation
@kadenyt6623 I mean it really depends; as a citizen of the USA of course I love my country and would call myself a patriot, but there are quite a number of categories in which we most certainly are not the best. Mental health care, for example, is notoriously awful here.
@@homelessalcoholic2716 Mental health care is not bad if you can pay for it
@kadenyt6623 That's true, but if someone is mentally ill to begin with, it's likely they could never build up the financial stability or aquire the necessary insurance to cover the costs associated with quality therapies
@@homelessalcoholic2716 im assumeing there parents would pay for there treetment before they were a adult
Literally what is the point of the UN when we literally give a country veto power and somehow its always the ones your trying to make laws against. Like seriously, when Russia had the veto power when they invaded Ukraine. Literally why are we there when the entire point of the UN is to stop another world war and they can't even achieve that.
The two-state solution was always a brave idea. It simply wouldn't work. It hardly works for India and Pakistan where latge amounts of people died during the violence, and the nations remain at odds with nuclear arsenals to secure themselves.
The Israeli 2SS won't ever be accepted by Palestine nor Gaza, and the Palestinian 2SS won't ever be accepted by Israel nor HAMAS.
Genuinely, peace would best be brokered through a singular, united state (with out the current Israeli PM) that's capable of providing for both Israeli and Arab alike.
As a Spaniard Palestine isn't and will never be a sovereign country 🇪🇸🤝🏻🇮🇱 Eventually those revel regions of Israel will fall and get fully integrated💕
Of course the Spaniard is the one that thinks this way
FREE PALESTINE!!!
Then palestinians will become israel citizens?
The secret third option: Reclaim the whole area in the name of the Christiandom
Deus vult brother
that would just be a palestinean state 🤷♀️
DEUS VAULT
Nazis wanted something similar
DEUS VAULT
No country should recognize terrorists
So Israel shouldn't be recognized?
They had a 2 state system, and then Palestine (Hamas) was like "nope we must wipe Israel off the map"
Should be realised through the direct negotiation between the parties... Just how it was with the creation of the Israeli state, right?
Oh wait
Kinda hard to negotiate when one side keeps refusing literally all offers and declares war on you multiple times
They did negotiate. Or rather the UK of which the land actually belonged to at the time gave the land to the now Israelis. Then the Palestinians got mad teamed up with other like-minded groups and tried to genocide Israel. They failed. And then they did it again. This has happened something like 4 or 5 times at this point.
@@casematecardinaland how was it that the uk got that land? Oh they genocided the Palestinians that already lived there? And it was such a terrible even that it's now a historical event taught in schools as a great tragedy akin to the trail of tears? Gee I wonder why no one is taught about the war crimes committed in order to make the Israeli state in the west, maybe its because we are the criminals who caused the issue in the first place?
@@casematecardinalFailed to mention the israelis are just white immigrants from poland
@@casematecardinalYou learned history from bbc news
So Israel can unilaterally declare itself on Palestinian land and Palestinian can't declare their state on their own land without taking permission from their occupiers? 😂
Lmao palestine is occupying Israel since the 700s. So
@@Dragonslayer-pq5meThere's a Zionist in our midst! No but for real, if we want to turn back time on state borders to a century ago, you'll also end up unwittingly supporting various fun annexations like Russia's claim on Ukraine and China's claim on Taiwan.
Israel need not declare as their right is enshrined is the LN Mandate for Palestine. Where in international law does it show where the Palestinian border is delineated at?
According to Biden, yes.
@@Dragonslayer-pq5me Hasbara bot
Everyone just forget Hamas exists?
They always do except for the college students to chant they are hamas
did you forget fatah exists ? the only reason hamas has power is because of israel, because a peaceful faction being in power don't give them a justification for genocide. most palestinians want a peaceful solution, but hamas has guns and a lot of angry people to fight form them.
You forget the IDF exist? They are worse
@@basic204
college students are hamas, ireland is hamas, the UN is hamas, the ICC is hamas, is there anyone who is not hamas?
resistance of occupation is legal so there is that
The problem of this conflict is that all solution is almost imposible to do.
2 state=Israel=Israel doesnt want Palestine to be strong enough to attack Israel
Palestine=Want full indipendence
1 state=One minor problem will make everybody kill each other
What they need is trust to each other, but i dont know how trust can be placed in such long and bloody conflict.
Palestine won’t recognize Israel as state. That’s why there has not been a successful 2 state policy that could be supported by the international community
Well done to those countries!
Not*
@@Idkwhattoput151 let me guess you hate America
@@KingZNIN no? What about tat tells you I hate the u.s.?
@@KingZNIN what the sigma
Two persons got erroneously sold the same apartment for $1mil. The landlord is up floating in heaven somewhere. The two dudes fight over it.
The neighbours come in to vote that the two dudes should share the apartment and not fight anymore.
That would work, right?
What is the solution?
no
Ummmm, babe. One guy was living in his apartment for his entire life. Some other guy who had been in the neighborhood many years ago but has been struggling out in the world came over and asked if he could stay in his spare room. The owner welcomed him with open arms.
Then the guest declared himself on the lease. Then he took over a second bedroom. Then the kicked the owner out from the living room. He went into the owners bedroom, destroyed everything and made him live in the closet. He cut off access to the bathroom, the kitchen, and all of his food and supplies.
Every time he tries to come out he's accused of terrorism against the new "rightful" owner of the apartment and attacked. When he cries out to the neighbors for help, he's attacked. The new owner won't let him out, but keeps attacking him inside his tiny closet where he has no food or medicine.
But the city council has agreed that the "new owner" has the right to do whatever he wants to the people trapped inside "his" apartment. The whole rest of the city says the original owner has rights and deserves to be recognized, but the council is run by a handful of rich people who would rather the 2 tenants kill each other than that either of them lives in peace anywhere.
Now the richest one says "Well, let them come to an agreement about sharing the apartment"
That's what's going on here. I only started getting factual information about this situation a few years ago but let me mske this very clear. Until **after** World War 2, there was no such thing as Isreal state in Palestine. The people who came up with the idea of moving Jewish people into Palestine as a "new Jewish homeland" were also very deeply influenced by Nazi propaganda, but were applying to themselves as the "superior race" to Palestinians.
Most Jewish people were not aware of any of this and just wholeheartedly believed in the version they were being told, which was played out very neatly at first. That analogy of sharing an apartment? Uncomfortably on the nose actually. Families were literally taking in "refugees" who then a few years later, kicked the families from their homes and took them over.
Entire families were thrown to the streets or refugee camps, and it has been difficult for any of them to get out. Exactly like the Jewish people in WW2, no one wants to take in these refugees (who were created by themselves taking in refugees) so there's nowhere for them to go, even if they can afford to get out, if they are even allowed out.
So instead the world powers actively support genocide, just like they did in WW2 when they knew Hitler was killing Jewish people but didn't care what he did until he invaded an Allied country 😒
@@pvp6077you nailed it!
@@pvp6077 word salad. But here's the true answer. The region was British owned. They gave it to the now Israelis. And that's it. The Palestinians clutched their pearls about the infidels and tried to murder them all. They failed and it's been that paradigm ever since. Get good.
Y’all see why Putin doesn’t like the “Good Guys”🤔
I am ashamed to not see my country in green on that map.
like it will do anything
Oh no, anyway.
You are ashamed that your country realizes that recognizing terrorists as a nation is not a good idea?
@@drnext5007With your logic countries shouldnt recognize any country? Because every country has terrorists
@@drnext5007 Yea, unless Hamas is rooted out and a decent government can be in place, a Palestinian state shouldnt be given freedom
Who is the Palestinian government? Currently there 2 and both are internationally recognized terrorist organizations and Iranian proxies.
yeah but like actually dealing with problems is hard soooo, virtue signal.
To be fair are they anymore of a terrorist groups than lsraeI who funneled cash into humus to cause trouble so that they wouldn't be united?
I mean, the Israeli government is as much of a terrorist organization. Their way of handling the situation is at least as bad as what Hamas is doing. The difference is, that one side is funded with US taxpayer money and the other is a couple of resistance fighters in a small country getting starved.
fatah stopped being recognized as a terrorist organization since the 80's, they are in favor of a peaceful two states solution. menwhile hamas has Israeli backing.
Hmm, how come it is only Palestine and Israel get put on the spotlight? How about the other countries? Beside Two-State solution hasn’t been done much good in history.
Remember how well a 2-state solution went for the USA? In case you haven't, it didn't.
I love all the people saying the 2 state solution is stupid. You do realize that there are 9.5 million people living in Israel right? What do you plan to do with them?
"it has to be negotiated between the two parties, it should not be a one sided decision"....... That's literally how this conflict started in the first place 🤦🏽♂️ we had a deal with the Arab peoples living in the region to fight on our side against the Ottoman empire and when they fulfilled their end of the deal we turned around and created the state of Israel WITHOUT input of the MAJORITY of the residents living there 🤦🏽♂️
@@djohnson2536 do you think the Ottomans ethnically cleansed the region from its native inhabitants? This occupation came with this goal:
" In many parts of the country, new settlements will not be possible without transferring the Arab peasantry ... I support compulsory transfer. I don't see anything immoral in it."
- David Ben-Gurion (first prime minister of the occupation)
@@djohnson2536 ...... Are the ottomans the ones who are proclaiming that this is issue must be negotiated after they caused initial issue by not allowing the voices of the people living there be heard?
Are you just going to ignore the fact that the entirety of Jordan, which dwarfs Israel in size, was made in the same way to be an "arab state" as reward for helping us in WW1? Why is it ok for the arabs to be given a state but not the Jews?
@@djohnson2536what's your source? Show me the source you relied on to claim the Ottomans ethnically cleansed the natives of Palestine.
@@War450 ............ Was it the Jewish population that fought against the Ottoman empire or was it the Arabs? Why did approx 10% of the population receive half of what was supposed to be Palestine? I want you to think about that for a moment cause your logic is basically "why did the people in modern Jordan who fought against the Ottomans as requested and who was part of the majority ethnic group receive a larger share of land over the tiny minority who didn't fight nor was part of the original deal" 😑
I hope nobody in this comment section starts whining about Catalonia and the BC claiming that Spain is being hypocritical here, because there is 0 comparison between both situations and I am tired of people foreignxplaining my own people's culture and poltics to me
Yeah, I can always tell that someone is arguing in bad faith when they use that as a talking point. For the reason you said, but also “hypocrisy” really doesn’t mean anything in politics. Hypocrisy is the human condition, if you look for it you’ll find it. It’s common, normal even, for people to be simultaneously hypocritical and right. Add on top of that Spain is a whole ass country not an individual, a certain degree of dissonance is to be expected. It’s just sloppy argumentation really, but the hasbara is really stretched to it’s limits these days
I mean it is pretty hypocritical of Spain but because of the Basque, now thats a very similar comparison to the Isreal-Palestine issue although a much less bloodier one but still one covered in blood, tears and opression.
@@twojacksandanace3847 You have no real knowledge about the whole picture of the history between the diferent countries that form the nation of Spain, you are only seeing things from a view of the last 50 years when there are more than 500 years of common history, culture and conflict, its not really as similar as you think when it comes to the Israel-Palestine question.
I am tired of people ignorant to the history of my country being so quick to name a few historical events and comparing them to a contex that is not as deep as our centuries of history on order to compare and judge the entirety of my nation just becasue"DIS IS BAD Oh no lets talk shit" while failing to grasp all the political, economical and cultural thought behind each event.
Don't bother replaying to my rant, this are just the words of some ramdom dude on the internet that has to much time and no other reason to be proud of his country than when some guiri is criticizing the hollow corpse that is his country.
yeah, there aren't a active genocide inn Ukraine
We can agree though that Catalonia should also be free though, yes?
Sweden has stood for Palestinian statehood for a decade now!
So did my country. Strangely, we still have Israeli embassy.
@@Nerazmusbecause it doesn’t have to be one or the other
Reminding everyone that palastine does not exsist and has never exsist. It would be like if Republican and Democrat states were recognised as 2 seperate countries by the rest of the world. The closest thing we have ever had to palastine was under British control as a British colony...
Imagine having Hamas in UN, oh. Anyway, it's interesting Taiwan isn't considered.
It wouldn't be Hamas running the Palestine state, it would be the Palestinian Authority, which is based in West Bank.
Imagine having opinions about the situation in Israel without even knowing that there are TWO Palestinian political factions. One of which is the militant extremist faction that kicked off this latest genocide. The other one being the one that wanted the peaceful 2-state solution.
Imagine not even knowing THAT, let alone the fact that Israel actively FUNDED Hamas for 13 fucking years.
It's not Hamas in the UN, it's the Palestinian territory, including the west bank and parts of Gaza, Hamas is the party in GAZA, not the entirety of Palestine
Too late lmao
DUDE NO YOURE WRONG! Israel HAS offered a two state deal and HAMAS rejected it!
No. They offered Palestine becomes effectively a fully dependant protectorate of Israel. Not an independent country.
LMAO. Imagine thinking recognizing a state governed by Hamas will lead to peace in the middle east. Absolutely looney.
It may not have worked for the past 20 years, but it will work this time. trust me bro 😂
The fact that, on the map you displayed, Western Sahara isn't included as part of Morocco is wild 😅
I'm so ashamed of my country that has recognised Narnia for a long time
So the UN wants Hammas sitting on the UN 😅😅
You think all Palestinians are part of Hamas ?
@@gyro121 As the officially recognized democratically elected theocratic dictatorship government of Palestine, yeah. Call it what it is. Was Trump not president of the American people for 4 years and represent all Americans on the global stage?
how many shekels to post this?