On 1948 | Ilan Pappe | Part I | 2018 interview
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- Опубліковано 31 сер 2018
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What happened to the Palestinians when Israel declared its independence in 1948?
Was it ethnic cleansing? Chaos? Legitimate Jewish self-defense?
Prof. Ilan Pappe is perhaps the most contentious Israeli historian of this question.
Decidedly left-wing in his outlook, Pappe is both an historian, and a social activist. He's perhaps most famous for his book "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine," in which he lays out a case that the war for the creation of Israel in 1948 is best understood as an ethnic cleansing of the native Palestinian population by primarily European Jews.
Unsurprisingly, Pappe's scholarship is widely derided in Israel. Yet his work is often celebrated by many pro-Palestinian activists in the Middle East and abroad.
Pappe currently teaches history at the University of Exeter, in the UK.
This is part one of my two part interview with Pappe last summer, in Haifa.
For the contrasting academic perspective, please see my interviews with Prof Benny Morris, of Ben-Gurion University, here: goo.gl/sC5BTe
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His point about the Palestinians not being allowed back after the fighting ceased is the absolute key. It does not matter why civilians flee a war zone, it's ethnic cleansing when you don't let them back based on ethnicity.
In the midst of all out war and intention to annihilate the jews I don't see how the Arabs expelled from Israel or the Jews forced to leave Egypt would've been allowed back
Incorrect. What requirement is there to give land back that has been won in war in response to an attack that had genocidal motivations.
@@simoncordingley3122 it's still ethnic cleansing, pure racism, however you excuse it.
@@simoncordingley3122It must be a game of poker. Won in war?
It is robbery. At least a robber leaves their victim with most of what they own.
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This man is a humanitary treasure!!! His legacy must be protected at all costs❤
You checked Norman Finkelstein out?
@@ya.free.palestine oh yes And Miko Peled ❤️❤️❤️😊
@@ya.free.palestine And Profs Avi Shraim and Gabor Mate (Mate has an accent on the e but I can't access it on my tablet). Both speak very intelligently, and very movingly about the situation.
He took part in ethnic cleansing Palestinians, and for him to tell that story about is not a big deal.
@@abshirmohamed2579 with your mentality I can see how tough it will be to get anywhere really 😭😭😭 it's heartbreaking... Israelis are dammed if they do something to break the gap and readdress this great evil and they are also dammed if they don't... Palestinians also need to show up willing to make this work ..your comment is truly horrific as a symptom of how much longer and how many more will be sacrificed! Bert Hellinger developed a great method for people who suffered great evil to heal thru understanding and forgiveness!
“Israel always needs a pretext, but when you check retaliation you see no connection between the act and retaliation, then you think maybe retaliation is part of something bigger” this is exactly what is happening right now, what Israel is doing has no connection to the Hamas attack on October 7th
Israel - Citizens killed. Citizens kidnapped. Citizens raped. Citizens tortured - HUNDREDS. Exactly how does the world expect Israel to respond?
Those who defend Israel's enemies are vile, evil dumb shits.
No just Saudi Arabia huh
It's no different than what was done to the indigenous people in Canada. None of the reasons that were given for creating or expanding the Indian Act had anything to do with what was done with the Indian Act...including the pass system which was adopted by Israel. They said it was for security but it was actually intended to destroy the culture and the people. Reserves were supposed to be a temporary measure and the Indians were supposed to vanish over time.
I totally agree. This genocide in Gaza has nothing to do with October 7th. Israel has been wanting to do this for a long time. They knew exactly what Hamas was planning and did nothing to prevent it.
No connection? Just a funny coincidence that the war declared by Israel in Hamas started on Oct 7.
You are drinking too much ideological-spiked kool-aid and getting confused. Keep it simple and ignore the convoluted rhetoric of people like Papan.
Waaw. Absolute spot on! This interview feels like folded testimony. He literally sum up what's currently going on in Palestine 🇵🇸.
You probably would want to do some cross referencing and looking at opposing arguments, such as the counterpart to this video (ie - the one with Benny Morris)
How do you know it's spot on?
I've been trying to understand this conflict for a long time. I still don't know exactly who to believe or what is 'spot on'.
@@MrJREllman Is not the US calls for support of the apartheid regime called Israel not the same as the US calls for support of the apartheid regime called Russia?????????
Oh wait! The US supports Ukraine ~ not Russia Hhmmmm? So then should the US not be supporting Palestinians?! Makes sense.
Read N. Chomsky's 600+ pages book The fateful triangle. US, Palestine and Israel. It will open your eyes about this current Zionist situation
@@hitreset0291 It looks like you're looking for simplistic binaries to judge people and regimes by. This is more complex than you can imagine. Pappe, Benny Morris and other historians have spent their entire lives studying this. Yet they and many others have different views and interpretations of the history. And you think you can sum it up in a couple of sentences.
Israel is obviously not an apartheid regime. Citizens of all races and religions have equal rights in law. You can argue that they don't have equality in reality. But you can't deny that in law they do. There are Arab lawyers, doctors, teachers, politicians, soldiers, who live and work alongside Jews. They all have one equal vote. It's just lazy to call it apartheid.
The US support for Israel dates back to the cold war when the Soviet Union supported the Arab nations in the Middle East. It's not hard if you are interested in history to consider that either of those superpowers could have supported the other 'team'. Israel was very left wing until the 1970s and the Arabs were very conservative. Perhaps it reduces to simple opportunism on either side. Although nothing is simple in this history.
As for the US supporting the Ukraine and therefore ought to support the Palestinians: I don't understand your point here. Would you like to explain it further or do you prefer to continue with lazy, simplistic binaries?
There’s an African proverb that goes something like “Until the Lion learns to speak the hunter will always be the hero” 🦁 Here we have a Lion speaking! And what a privilege it is to hear a human using their life intellect and voice to speak truth 👏🏽♥️💯 Giving light to the criminality of the oppressors and to the intolerable suffering of the Palestinian people who’s main crime is that they exist. #freepalestine #tautoko💯
What a great proverb!
Great proverb
I learned something new today, thank you
Did someone hunt this guy?
Very well said. Thank you for your comment.
An amazing history of how a historically persecuted Jewish minority can in turn persecute another people, turning a Palestinian majority into a minority. This is the tragedy of history, vicious cycle of injustices just piling up!
It is an unfortunate phenomenon; one becomes the very thing they hate. The abused becomes an abuser ( but not always, thank god🙏)
Religion has no place in politics...
It is not a question of religion it is what the Zionists want you to believe it is a question of settlement and like he said all along a colonial problem.@@JRead0691
The biggest tragedy is the way he explains why it is acceptable.
This morality is the biggest problem.
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Religion has no place on this planet. It is utter garbage. And notice how all those god bothers all hate one another's guts. It's all the same same god, the same "creator," yet they all despise one another. It is a mental illness.
Imagine what an advanced civilisation would make of humans bombing hospitals as the rest of the world just looked on, bored, not bothered.
I suspect humans have always behaved like this, the ancients knew it and invented god , as "an advanced civilisation" that hopefully would one day stumble on this shithole planet and set about putting things to right. Some hope.
Wow, less than 10 minutes in and now having a new understanding of settler colonialism. My consciousness is expanding.
I am glad for you. The truth lies way beyond the Zionist narration.
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Isreal is like what would happen if the Native Americans (Jews) would come back and take their land from colonizers(Arab colonizers)
@@annetteniebelski7513 Your sentence is not in English.
@@annetteniebelski7513your statement is unintelligible. Native American Jews ?
My friend is Palestinian, his wife's father is still living in Palestine and keeps the keys of his family's home in Haifa, the home that was stolen years ago by the incoming Jews, dreaming that he would go back one day.
I was very moved when I knew this.
The keys & their land title are the 2 things that all the Palestinians kept (at least those who had time to grab them) before they were forced to flee.
I've a friend whose family fled Jaffa believing they'd be back within a month. They lost both their house and their family business.
The Jaffa Riots of 1921 a series of violent riots in Mandatory Palestine on May 1-7, 1921, which began as a confrontation between two Jewish groups but developed into an attack by Arabs on Jews. Dozens of British, Arab, and Jewish witnesses all reported that Arab men bearing clubs, knives, swords, and some pistols broke into Jewish buildings and murdered their inhabitants, while women followed to loot. They attacked Jewish pedestrians and destroyed Jewish homes and stores. They beat and killed Jews in their homes, including children, and in some cases split open the victims' skulls.
This is not an isolated incident. Murderous mobs went on rampages all over Palestine in the 20's-40's. No wonder Jews don't want Muslims living among them.
First of all it was a war and both sides had losses. The same wikipedia page you checked also mentions that there was 47 Jews deaths and 48 Arabs deaths.
Arabs had no problem with native Jews (only 5% of the whole population). They lived side by side as neighbours for centuries in total peace.
It was only when the Zionist project of taking the land and establishing a state started to surface, and external Jews started immigrating from Europe and America and Russia, along with Belfour declaration that promised the land to the Jews, only then the Arabs started to defend themselves from the people that came with the intent to steal the land. Which happened.
They stole the land, they expelled people from their homes, they are still making massacres to this moment.@@mattg3789
Wow 😢thanks for sharing this. And yes almost all Palestinians kept the keys and papers.
Proud of all people who are listening and learning NOW, including me. Amazing the whole world is waking up to this extreme injustice.
Me too
This man restores my faith in humanity.
@Esteban Lucas Yup, I have been watching on Flixzone for since november myself =)
The League of Nations issued a British mandate for Palestine-a document that gave Britain administrative control over the region and included, allowing all Jews to establish a Jewish national homeland in Palestine-to allow any non - Jews civil & religious rights.
The UN Resolution created the state of Israel in 1947.
This is the Israelis title ownership documents the Palestinians have none - apply for Israeli citizenship or leave.
@@Petal4822 and who gave League of Nations and the British empire right to dismantle a civilization, what authority they possess?
if this is the argument can the UN mandate the United states of America to have administrative control over, say, China and allow Christians to establish a Christian National homeland there? What authority has UN or in your argument League of Nation to giveaway a land that is not theirs?
@@Petal4822 What kind of a shitty argument is this? Did you even watch any of this video? The European Jews who established Israel arrived in Paleatine just a couple of years before the establishment! What kind of right did they have to establish a state there when millions were already there!! You are so utterly blind that you can't even see how wrong this is!
@@SyrianApostate theft justification, the Zionts knew they were wrong, they know it's not their land, and that they're robbing other people's land, they lied and killed to get it, they want to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian people to get away with their crime, they'll go as far as saying that there is no such people as Palestinians trying to rewrite history to get away with this horrendous crime, the thing is they want more, they're eyeing Lebanon, Iraq, Syria and Jordan, the Zionts wet dream of a great Israel.
This man Pappe is so very sharp and truthful of the history of this conflict. Thank God there's someone who is willing to actually tell and explain the truth.
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The "truth" was always spoken. It was spoken by Palestinians. The Palestinian voice was ignored until the "truth" was confirmed by Jewish historians. But the original untruth is maintained and continues to be told. Even Erskine Childer's refutation of the narrative is generally ignored.
www.freedomarchives.org/Documents/Finder/DOC12_scans/12.why.palestinians.leave.1969.pdf
Everything he said you can hear it from Israelis in this documentary “Route 181” available for free temporarily on this link
www.palestinefilminstitute.org/en/pfp?fbclid=IwAR3IlPgPgsnFrV_4pwHr08iOEpK_jk7RvbWLvKtCrwXiFHh2gZTtN_6znN4
@@ashleyKennedy5 What ever Professor or Historian explained about Israel, the bible had already stated its future. The EVERLASTING COVENANT between Abraham & GOD. All those that stood on the way were displaced accordingly. Where are the Assyrians, Romans, Ottomans, Babylonians, etc. today ?? Israel existed on the land in 1800BC & still exiting today as the State of Israel.
@@samuuluinavucu1246 There is no god. Merneptah cut their balls off and they are no more.
Judah as a great nation never existed. 1,000 BCE Judah was a backward hilltop village of approx 60 families of bandits.
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Brilliant, eloquent and shows so much empathy to the Palestinians! Thank you Pr Ilan Pappé to have helped me understand the Palestinian history.
I wish that everyone who is interested in this latest war could watch this.
It's rather scary that the highest ranked Biden administration is all jews. All countries voted yes to ceasefire except US Irael and Ukraine what is that about?
Yes. It is uncanny and scary how each of the things he describes happening is point by point happening again. Israel using the pretext of an attack as impetus for another round of ethnic cleansing, of collective punishment, of creating so much fear by killing and threatening a population so that they will leave.
This should be mandatory to teach in the US, UK and European countries!
@@abderrahimkoch9293they don't want us to know the truth. Just like banning CRT
Ilan Pappe is an excellent historian...and he was spot on when he called Israelis liars.....Anyone who has tried to deal with a Zionist understands the truth in this statement.....
Who ever explained about Israel, the bible had already stated its future. INTELLIGENT is NOT unique to GOD.
Zionists NEVER wanted peace---only "empty land" for their righteous fantasies.
@@samuuluinavucu1246 God ??? Thé founding fathers didnt believe in God !!! 😂😂😂
Some of them are liars, many of of them are brainwashed, most of them are deaf bumb and blind. the history they learn at school is like from an alternate timeline, they live in their own bubble universe which is different from the world everybody else lives in, and unfortunately the vast majority of them will not question or doubt the narrative. And it's getting worse everyday with israel moving further and further to the extreme right.
Imagine the current prime minister says the Palestinians are originally from jordan, and that's the prime minister leading them.
Israeli government exploiting archelogy to support Zionist ideals
It's October 15, 2023 and every single word you're saying makes so much sense.
Check out Norman Finkelstein too. Dedicated 40 years of his life to the Palestine cause as a Jew whose parents were victims of the Nazis. He has wrote many books too
@@ya.free.palestine Very recent talk by Norman Finkelstein on the Katie Halper channel (Hamas, Gaza, his parents, etc).
@@ya.free.palestineyes and Frank Barat too ( may his soul rest is peace) ..
@@ya.free.palestineand Gideon Levy as well.
@@ya.free.palestineand Miko Peled too!
Ilan Pappe is just an extraordinary historian, I really adore his work and analysis of the Zionists movement. It's just so obvious at this point to see how racist Zionism is at its core.
Indeed
This is just beginning because they are coming for you through all their interconnected organisations natural and religious .The protocol of the elders of Zion boldly proclaim it because they believe its within their grasp.Then JESUS WILL INTERVENE IN THE FATHERS PRECISE TIMING. BOING!!!!!
I am reading Ilan Pappe's book for my class History of Palestine and it has been very constructive and exceptional. It is nothing better like to know the facts than being in an abismal world of alternative ones. Good interview. Thank you.
You shuld ask why he start the history on 1948 try to find out that will shok you
@@jjjjjjjjzuzuzuzu He didnt. Thats the interviewer. Have u asked him why he started the history on 48?
he lies non stop
@@ralphvon283 let me guess - jews were there for thousands of years, and in 1947 they just came out the caves to take over there land.
hi! Where did you take this class? I'm wondering if it is online?
Voice of uncompromising honesty, and warm humanity.😢
Thank you Professor Ilan Pappe for your sincerity, humanity, fairness and sens of justice and the truth. Listning to you is a unique learning experience.
I did not hear everything , because the Nakba is such a wound and I am 2nd génération born out of Palestine . Just hearts to see what my grandpa / grandma , great grandparents went hrough ... but Ilan Pappe is just an amazing person . Much respect to this man's courage. palestinians are very lucky to have him , as well as miko peled and many others
Lifting you in prayer. Thanks for sharing this.
Long winded questions. Kudos to Ilan Pappe for showing such patience with the interviewer who loved the sound of his own voice .
This is what makes history worth studying. Contention is a huge part in historiography and I’m so glad you explore this concept within your work.
Many thanks for your kind words. Please share widely! ... More to come ...
@@Transliminal The State of Israel is fine with contention as long as the years roll by and their plans are not interfered with.
@@Transliminal At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world’s sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest. In truth, he probably merits a place somewhere between the two.
- Benny Morris, Israeli Historian.
@@DiegoLinde At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world’s sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest. In truth, he probably merits a place somewhere between the two.
- Benny Morris, Israeli Historian.
@@samwek8053 Indeed, they despise each other, to put it bluntly. Have you watched my interview with Benny Morris?
I met him in person. Wonderful and kind man.
Absolutely fascinating conversation, a million thank you's
Amazing information and so important to have clarity on these issues. Thank you for being so transparent!
I am seeing this after October 2023
Thank you sir for describing these apauling events in such simple terms, unfortunayely, when one wants to put these facts forward, one is acused of being anti semetic. It's unbearable, such huge hypocrasy
You deserve all the respect of the world for your honesty and courage.
Oh my god Ilan you are really telling the whole truth😍. This part 50:00 is what my grandfather told me happened. He told me that the betraying arab league took their arms away and told them that they have to evacuate the villages to prepare an ambush for the israelis when they come but in fact they were just giving the israelis the land for free. I cant believe how my grandfather's story was proven historically and said by ilan in this interview 😧. This part 50:30 is true too my fathers grandfather was killed because he didnt want to leave and because mqny othwrs did the same there was the massacre of salha. My homeland which is stolen by the israelis today.
It is just truly a tragedy what happened your grand parents and family. May Allah grant them peace in Jennah.
@@hassanmasood2280 May allah have mercy on the souls of all the martyrs and the oppressed 🤲🏻❤️
OK, they HAVE it now (or think they do) but just like the American settlers, and other invading forces, worldwide, have done, the way Prophet Jeremiah put it, "...you have made My heritage an abomination..."
(Jeremiah 2:7) These land have been so polluted and corrupted, both physically and morally they would be a HORROR to return to, even if you COULD.
ANYONE who throws their weight around, too much, is in danger of cracking the furniture AND the floor!
"Let them alone; they be blind leaders of the blind." -- Jesus, speaking about the religious leaders.
(Matthew 15:14)
Not much difference between netanyahu and putin ~ both like taking land that is not theirs and both like murdering innocent civilians enmass.
Maybe putin has some unused land in russia that these jews can live in without having to murder the indigenous people first?
Would that not be a welcomed improvement?!
wow what a wonderful man! Respect to Mr Pappe from a Palestinian
Always love to listen to the Jews like him. They give us hope that humanity is not lost on them just like Muslim activists and human rights people give hope to others.
He is the same sort of person as George Soros, but fortunately without the money and the network of evil stooges
I'm from Australia and the only country that I know of that settlers worked with the native population is New Zealand, the Treaty of Waitangi. This is reflected in their national anthem one of the most beautiful in the world containing both Maori and English words.
Not originally.
😂😂 The Maori tribes were headhunters and originally traded heads with British expeditions. Later they fought wars This same story happened all over the world. I've no idea why you would think NZ is unique in this. African slavers worked with Europeans. North American Indian tribes allied with the Spanish, French, American settlers, and Mexicans against rival tribes. Amero-Indian tribes allied with the Spanish against the Aztecs... Etc.
I have no doubt there was tension. British missionaries saw what was happening in Australia and petitioned King William to protect the Maories; King William agreed, James Busby worked the Maori to protect the them by drafting the treaty of nationhood. This was a case where a settler had enough humanity to help the indigenous population and ultimate made NZ what it is today. A very tolerant and friendly society. ua-cam.com/video/qNyfSPm1jYU/v-deo.htmlsi=tU3n6QJ-6joqisla
check your history and the modern day condition of the Maori....
@@aleejones7508 Iwi have billions in payouts that has been invested in corporate portfolios. The elite Maori are are rich. When will they be paying for their poor? No leave that to the predominantly no Maori taxpayer. Maori get payed over and over for the issues people created that are now dead.
For whom who are interested, There is also a well done documentary in 4 episodes on the channel "al jazeera english" called "al nakba" which explain so deeply about israeli settlers in Palestine. This sionist project started years before 1948...
Is it on youtube?
@@mkgaleoneI’ve seen at least Part 1 is on UA-cam.
Thanks
What a brilliant man! Ilan Pappe is amazing!!
he is so much in love of himself, stretching his fat belly. if he will not buy a bigger size shit his buttons will spring open..
@@robin-ps5mz Really of all the things you can get in this video you got that?
@@holiday_jeeneewoo47 At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world’s sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest. In truth, he probably merits a place somewhere between the two.
- Benny Morris, Israeli Historian.
@@samwek8053 That's coming from Benny Morris, an Israel Apologist.
Thank you and may God bless you and protect you sir 🤲🏼 There is so many people who are misinformed and lied to especially about this matter. I hope and pray people listen to honorable and learned people like yourself to wake up and stand up for justice 🤲🏼🇰🇼💗🕊️🌱
Who's watching this after October 2023?
Me
I am! It’s important to understand the history, and brutal oppression of the Palestinian people.
Glad you are using this channel to do something significant. Thanks
Thanks so much, Matt. This comment really means a lot. Stay tuned for more material, and please share widely!
National treasure, protect this man at all cost
From who?
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Israelis
@@corpsefoot758 This interview was 5 yr ago. If the Israelis haven't capped him by now why would that change?
Brilliant. This is teaching history as good as it gets.
When you have people that will remain loyal to the truth, humanity still has hope. Eloquent and factual to the core.
Truth my ass, this guy sold his soul to be known as "that israeli historian who supports the palestinian narrative". Here's a critique of his works by another Israeli historian who himself is critical of Israel: newrepublic.com/article/85344/ilan-pappe-sloppy-dishonest-historian
@@FirsToStrikethanks for this, this guy is full of shit
What an incredible discussion and interview. The gentleman being asked the questions has the most decisive answers to make complex issues so easy to understand
Pappe has more moral courage than most.
Moral courage of a nazi
This interview is a valuable contribution to public understanding. For once we have an interlocutor who is conversant with the subject and able to ask illuminating questions. And in Ilan Pappe we have probably the foremost historian on the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. In the latter regard, I found the final three minutes especially noteworthy: he mentions how Israel sees the native Palestinians as immigrants and markets its expertise in repressing similarly constituted minorities in other countries. Israel plays an important role in training the internal security forces of many states, from impoverished countries to the very wealthiest and most powerful. Increasingly, the Israeli model is seen as the best, most professional option in designing strategies of mass repression in the name of democracy.
Tom Hall thanks so much for this thoughtful feedback / commentary ... please check out the other videos in the nascent series, stay tuned for part two, & most importantly, share widely!
Love this comment.
this is such a great comment!!
❤ every Israeli and pro Israeli should watch this and educate themselves...
Absolutely. It's a lesson in how to spread lies and propaganda.
@@bobbytacticscode2123 yes Israelies are masters at it 👍 without zionist media outlets and politicians, we'd have justice and peace for all people.
A real discussion by a real Jew. Awesome interview.
Thankyou for letting those who're interested in historical facts have the chance to study your studies.
The interviewer is excellent too. I appreciate how he summarized and nuances the interviewees points. Amazing stuff!!!
Thanks so much sham shan! Really appreciate the feedback. Stay tuned for Part II (working on it now). In the meantime, please consider supporting via Patreon: www.patreon.com/transliminal
Transliminal i will donate.
It’s ironic that Pappe in this vid & the Benni Morris in the other vid both used the word “atmosphere” of expulsion. There’s more in common b/w them than they think. For Pappe, this atmosphere implies there’s an unwritten policy of expulsion.
sham shan =shame sham
@@ttecnotut At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world’s sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest. In truth, he probably merits a place somewhere between the two.
- Benny Morris, Israeli Historian.
Your voice and voices like yours are needed to stop the insanity and safe people on both sides for generations to come....!!!! I admire your courage and sense of humanity...One country one vote all citizens are equal under the law....! ❤
What an insanely powerful interview. And the questions from the journalist are brilliant.
yeah this is what a reporter used to sound like, well informed and great structure to filling in the gaps
are you kidding? he's absolutely awful-- the orwellian contortions he does to try to launder and whitewash what is plain as day... is sickening
Currently listening to "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine". Pappe's work is so important. Everyone needs to understand what ethnic cleansing is, how it happens, and how it is hidden/disguised.
Palestinians (mainly Hamas and Hezbollah) aren’t engaging in an ethnic cleanish effort? Have you seen/read/heard the declarations in the Hamas charter and the rhetoric surrounding the PLM?
@@jtjwhite in the late 1940s, Israel has had a well trained, organized and armed military. The only Arab army that came close at the time was Jordan and Israel made a deal with them to share territory with them after Palestinians had been expelled, thus taking them out of that equation. Over 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly removed or terrorized out of their urban neighborhoods and villages. For 75 years, the territory left to Palestinians has shrunk and they've had to cope with an oppressive Israeli occupation. That breeds resentment, anger and violence. Have Israelis died over the past 75 years? Sadly, they have, despite their superior military strength and resources. Far more Palestinians have died and will continue to do do unless Israeli and international policies change.
@@TheKnittedRaven good comment.👍
Not much difference between netanyahu and putin ~ both like taking land that is not theirs and both like murdering innocent civilians enmass.
Maybe putin has some unused land in russia that these jews can live in without having to murder the indigenous people first?
Would that not be a welcomed improvement?!
@@TheKnittedRaventhank you for spreading facts !
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Thank you so much to everyone who worked on this interview.
The length and the detailed questioning are simply great. I've only seen Ilan Pape here on UA-cam before, now my next read will be something by him.
Well done! Well done!
Superb interviews. Whoever is running this channel is doing a super job and making the world a better place. Why is the patreon link not working?
Hi Spencer... Thank you so much for your kind words of encouragement. It really means a lot to me, as the work i do on this channel does more than occasionally feel like yelling into the abyss :) ... Have now updated the broken Patreon links (thanks for the alert), so feel free to peruse at will, share widely and--if you're feeling benevolent--sign up as a patron. Every little bit helps, and there's nothing i'd like more than to be able to put more time and effort into producing and releasing this material! www.patreon.com/transliminal
@@Transliminal you make a good money collectinh here the profesdional antisemites
God give him a LONG LONG Life to continue his work and may he see a Free Palestine
I really enjoyed and learnt a lot with this interview.
I just discovered this guy from listening to Gabor Mate, and he is AWESOME...
Me too. I've been reading Historys of different Cultures, and I just saw Matte also and its just so Perfect timing, as I was aware of atrocitys, I wanted to know the whole thing.
Great Work, Great Historian.❤
Same here.
' if you want to feel good with something bad you do to Palestinians, you need a pretext' Love this
If you repeat it many times, people will not question it.
So glad that some people are immune to brainwashing!
At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world’s sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest. In truth, he probably merits a place somewhere between the two.
- Benny Morris, Israeli Historian.
@@samwek8053 spamming this, lol?
Benny Morris has been manhandled multiple times on facts from his books by Ilan Pappe. No wonder he's this bitter.
@@deadastrophysicist3452 Benny Morris doesn't just casually call a historians analysis into question in such an insulting way without cause.
2nd you claim pappe has refuted Morris in a live debate of some sort? I'd love to watch what u were watching, please share it. I'll wait..
Pappe is as good for u as a "palestinian" historian siding with the israeli narrative. Who r u fooling?
@@samwek8053 oh, boy you do live in a fantasy world where they've made you believe that the word of Benny Morris is to be taken seriously, when he was absolutely torn apart by Pappe and Finkelstein on facts so bad that Morris had to change the narrative of Israel's history into a "moral" one rather than based on "facts". Get out of the bubble, love.
Ilan Pappe looks at the facts and makes his conclusions from these.
He looks at fantasy not facts
@@ralphvon283 No, he does not. He's just not a zionist.
It’s really beautiful to find resources that let me know that what I think is not monstrously wrong. Dr Pappe doesn’t express so much his opinions as the perennial human knowledge which cannot be opposed by mere rhetoric.
You tube is to be thanked for permitting this truthful upload.
Thank you Professor Ilan Pappé, as well as to Miko Peled not forgetting Gabor and Dr Alice Rothschild you guys are the hope to humanity. Thank you for explaining it so clearly 🙏
I have so respect for the Jewish people's courage to speak the truth against Zionists, who hold so much power & influence.
I’m curious how these guys are viewed in Israel
As he described the early strategy of ethnic cleansing- it sounds eerily like what is happening right now.
Only that is in going on for decades. That’s why Gaza exists.
Brilliant scholar: on sociology, history, epistemology, ontology.... The social construction of native-redefined-as-immigrant.
Ilan Pappe is fast becoming one of my favourite scholars.
More information then imaginable! What a gift for people in search of the historical facts. I’m in awe!
So glad I found Illan Pappé and watched this video. I just bought his book
It’s the story all Palestinians have heard from their parents and grandparents. It is so so sad, the impact is a long term impact for those who were kicked out and a daily disaster for those still in. Take the ones who were forced out, there is a common thread which is that all Palestinians are scattered and have no one country that they can equally call home. Parents can be in Jordan, grandkid can be in Canada, uncle can be in Germany, brother can be in the US, sister can be in Lebanon. It is so sad, each of our families lived apart and when retirement comes - almost no one is with their family. This Zionism has slipped the livelihood of the Palestinians generation after generation, and for those that managed to stay, you can all see today how they are existing - cannot even say living.. Thank you to Mr. Ilan Pappe for documenting history correctly as witnessed by those who lived it and not by the Zionist historians with all their false books. Thank you for the interviewer and the team as well. God Bless.
This is true moral courage. This guy had the spine to take on nonsensical Israeli historiography to speak the truth and he was accosted with death threats over it, eventually having to leave the country. It's the price you pay for speaking truth to power in a deeply racist and militarized society.
history repeats itself...
The population exchange in some parts of the Subcontinent is also absurd. The provinces and some of the princely states should be compared on a paradigm with European states and ethnic groups. Imagine sending German Catholics to Spain, and sending French Protestants to Scotland, or sending Greeks to live in Ukraine.
I read a Spanish historian's work which was highly critical of Francisco Franco's regime (the historian survived the Spanish Civil War but became disillusioned with Franco at some point) and the professor wrote that Franco had tried enticing German Catholics still alive after WW2 to emigrate to Spain instead of going to the Americas. He also told the same thing to Mussolini's former allies and loyalists. I forget the historian's name, I'm pretty sure he isn't alive anymore, but that's my two cents.
Thank God I found this video, your channel deserved more subscribers
Same here.
@@taisirghazi2963also watch Norman Finkelstein and Frank Barat, Katie Halper..
Algorithm got right and so helpful on recommending this one
Prof. Illan Pappe you are king
Arvi Schlaim - Baghdad Jew was a witness to the Mossad Synagogue bombings...The Rabbi of Tehran who died at 98 was also very vocal - 150,000 Jews had lived happily there for nearly 2 centuries - about urging the Jews to STAY AT HOME. In fact, over 8000 Jews remain in Tehran today...
@dieterbarkhoff1328: One of the saddest things I've ever heard was my friend's Iraqi father saying: 'I am a Jewish Iraqi. There is another world inside me'. He told me about de-Arab-ising and the guiding hand of Mossad. A cousin of my mother's was Iraqi. Told me she couldn't wait to get out of Israel and went to England. I have a Star of David brought as a gift from Tehran. Don't wear it, though, for obvious reasons.
@@vivicohen199 Thank you. Our need for a common humanity is greater than it' s ever been.
@@dieterbarkhoff1328 if the Mossad would do that to their own, what else are they capable of doing?
Thanks for sharing.
Ilan Pappe is one of the most intelligent, insightful and courageous persons who walks the earth . This interviewer seems to want to hear himself talk more than listen to what Pappe has to say .
Glad I decided to watch. Great video.
It’s as though the interviewer was clutching at straws trying to cast doubt on what Pappe said but the weak arguments postulated by the interviewer are irrefutably blown out of the water by Pappe who is an intellectual giant.
Omg! What did I just watch? Thank you so much for sharing this .. Ilan truly knows what goes on in the isrealis mind. Every word he said true even today. Thanks again
Awesome interview. Great questions.
poor replies
@@robin-ps5mz Which poor reply?
@@robin-ps5mz At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world’s sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest. In truth, he probably merits a place somewhere between the two.
- Benny Morris, Israeli Historian.
@@SyrianApostate At best, Ilan Pappe must be one of the world’s sloppiest historians; at worst, one of the most dishonest. In truth, he probably merits a place somewhere between the two.
- Benny Morris, Israeli Historian.
@@samwek8053 stop repeating your rubbish, you some sort of a freak.
Moving in to other peoples houses and changing locks is a more vivid picture of the injustice done to Palestinians than destroying their villages,which might be seen as a just an inevitable result of war. The Palestinian who returns to the house of his childhood with his old keys and sees a stranger in his house is a powerfull image.
at 57 minutes in Ilan hits the nail on the head.
This needs to be seen
Damn! I had to check twice if this interview is really five years old, many thing he said happening today on Gaza crisis
In 1948 450,000 Jews who had lived for centuries under Muslim 'rule' in Tehran, Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo and Yemen had their synagogues bombed by Mossad - as a Jewish friend of mine - a Hero of the Israeli Airforce who left in 1953 because he understood Israel was more Apartheid than his native South Africa - because the Ashkenazis needed someone to clean their toilets - re Ilan's point that when they came to Israel, they were treated as second class Jews.
A Jewish friend of mine traveled to Israel to work there in the late 1960’s. She was treated so badly by Israeli’s. She said it was as if they wanted to spit on her. Free labor and money - her words.
damn.... i had used ilans example of the iraqi synagogue being bombed by mossad to scare jews into going to israel, but i was unsure of the evidence available. this is horrendous. truly disturbing if true.
Excellent and enlightening interview. Thank you 🙏
brilliant interview
Thank you so much for educating people on what was and is a blatant racist regime. Specially relevant nowadays.
"There is a very interesting remark by one of Ben Gurion's advisors who says [the arab resistance] peters out too quickly. We need them to show more resistance. ... Suddenly they see something which will become part of the Israeli DNA: if you want to feel good with something bad you do to the Palestinians, you need a pretext." 28:05
Oh boy, FINALLY! It is so hard to find anything that is not on the side of Israel.
"If you want to feel good with something bad you do to the Palestinians you need a pretext." 28:43.
and sometimes you don't need.
Palestinian owners ejected in 1948 still remember their homes.
And they will never ever stop fighting to get it back, the Palestinians are strong resilient and proud people that will never give up.
Jews ejected 2000 years ago still remember their land
@@daniellimo4087 Israel existed on the land in 1800BC. All those that tried to stop it, Assyrians, Babylonians, Romans, Arabs, Ottomans, etc. do NOT exist anymore. Israel still existing today as the State of Israel.
@@rayohope1 Palestine was NO country. NOT in history. Absolutely NOT. The Arabs & Jews were existing on the region in the 1800s. The British Mandate for Palestine was for Arabs / Jews States.
@@daniellimo4087 how many jews were there 2000 ago. a zionist joke hahaha
The sad thing is the leaders of the west know exactly what this man saying and they choose to stand with Israel up to now to finish the job.
But the Palestinian people refuse to disappear.
yep..the west has a nasty habit of warmongering to maintain control in the region. Us younger jews in America support Palestine, but the western media/politicians never shows this side
Great material, thanks for sharing.
Again, absolutely amazing interview. I'm more more impressed with your interview style. You ask fantastic questions that challenge your interviewees! Good Job. Once i get more money i will absolutely support you through patreon!!!
Philosophical Trainer thanks so much for the kind words ... please do share widely!
good, waste your money over this bullshit
@@robin-ps5mz Ahh I see you are just a troll with absolutely nothing to counter the massive amount of information and facts presented in this video so you are going around the comments throwing shade. If you have any facts to deny the truth presented by Ilan Pappe after years of academically researching the history of Israel do present them, or else gtfo.
Amazing work.
It’s extreme sad to witness about so less views on d most heart wrenching topic of humanity as ppl don’t want to educate themselves with d truth & that’s why d demise of humanity taking place with each passing year
If a Christian or Muslim says this evil crimes of zionist, he would be called antisemitic or liar.
The world must see and know the truth behind these tragedies and sufferings in the middle east.
Mr Pappè. Word on the street is that you are an Atheist. I can't believe that. You are an outstanding example of a brave, compassionate soul. May Allah and the Prophets be proud of your contribution
Grazie Ila Pappé per la sua testimonianza chiara e pulita.Lei é una ricchezza storica! Tanto rispetto per la sua grande onestà!
This was a very very very informative interview wow!!!!
This man is a gift to humanity, a rarity; a bank of knowledge in this field.
Great and honest man! I had very hard time finding his book written also with Noam Chomsky collaboration which title is "Gaza in crisis"...a masterpiece in historical and true analysis of what Israelis have done and they continue to do to Palestinians!
Thanks Mr. Pappe' for your sense of moral and for your integrity ❤
Absolutely brilliant analysis