How to cut a mortice and tenon by hand
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- Mortice and tenon, perhaps the commonest joint but can be tricky to get right. There's loads of vids.about mortice and tenons, this one starts a bit slow but soon picks up pace, you could skip the first minute!
Showing the whole process with all the various ' issues and aspects' that are involved is so much more valuable than the usual short videos. A valuable lesson. Thank you
+Robin Ergis Hi Robin, I'm currently working on a beginners guide to woodwork that takes a similar approach, ie dealing with "issues and aspects". I think most beginners books show you the technique but don't say what to do when it all goes wrong! I hope mine will address this, but it's hard to fit it all in 254 pages. Hopefully it will be out this November
+Christopher Tribe wow that sounds great,i think you mat be the first to show how and why things go wrong and how to avoid them,quick vids just showing how are all well and good but once you have seen one you have seen them all,what i find missing is the theory behind joints,im subscribed to a self proclaimed god of hand tools and have asked him if he would do a series or video on why joints are used in certain applications or why it shouldn't.
but i got the usual answer of thats too advanced for beginners????? what,??? a table or chair or tool cupboard isnt to advanced but the theory behind joint application is.
ive since not watched him as i guess the real reason he hasnt gave this foundational info to us is because then he thinks we would not need to pay to watch him cut a million mortices over and over again and finally start to become self sufficient.
the whys and why nots of where to use a joint is so hard to come by.im looking forward to you beginners guide,i can see it becoming a huge success, it would be great if you could do a video of that too because it will be the first of its kind on youtube.
thanks for passing on your knowledge and wish you all the best with your book
+patchedupdemon Thanks for the comments. A vid on the application for different joints could be interesting. I'll see about doing one in the next few months. It would take a bit of preparation so maybe after the book's finished.
+Christopher Tribe as I said before,I think a accompanying video to your book on joint application would be a huge success,if been looking for this information for over a year now and have found nothing.I love you channel it's so helpfull.all the best and thank you for the consideration
Thanks for the video Chris. Very informative and clearly presented. Keep up the excellent work!
That was really refreshing! Finally a video that takes the actual mortising chisel into equation.
Thanks Chris. Nice close ups!
It really helps Thank you Sir !!
Thank you. Very helpful. I got a chuckle out of the end bit, as I've whacked myself in the face with a suddenly-come-loose tenon before!
Great video showing how it’s done ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Thanks again.
I glad it's helped Jono.
I have just realised why I think I know you, I think I had one woodworking lesson with you about 10years ago at a nightschool, in Huddersfield.
+Paul Adams (The Handmade Fisherman) Just the one, I hope I didn't frighten you off!
No, I had other commitments at the time, I still use the method you taught me to use to square up timber with a plane.
Very informative, thanks Chris
Very informative video, thank you.
One thing though: Is there any specific reason to do the longer sides first when cutting the shoulders? Wouldn't it be better to cut the short sides first? That would give the saw more line to follow, resulting in a cleaner cut.
around 4:14, you scribe the lines for the mortise: is there any reason not to cut the tenon(s) first and then transfer the width, like you might with a dovetail?
+ThoperSought I must admit I have never thought of doing it that way. I was always taught to "dig the hole then fill it". You use the mortice gauge to mark the tenon, why not use it for the mortice while it's in you hand. Perhaps, if your sawing is not good, you may want to scribe from the tenon. But scribing from the tenon would then mean you may not be able to cut the mortice just using the width of the chisel. This using the width of the chisel as the reference for both mortice and tenon is the essence of the method.
For beginners, I think practicing sawing is very important, I would recommend doing a few practice cross and rip cuts at the start of each session at the bench.
Christopher Tribe
thanks very much for taking the time to reply!
that all makes a lot of sense. I know my sawing is terrible, so making a serious effort at practicing it seems like a good idea-your sawing video was really helpful, so that I'm not quite as terrible as I could be.
I don't have a bench yet, so it's not so easy to get a good body position. once I get that built, it may be easier to improve.
what I wanted to ask, though, was not for the width of the mortise, but for the length-setting the mortise gauge by the chisel seems like a great idea.
what I imagined doing was using the mortise gauge to scribe the width based on the chisel, and then cutting the tenon (with the other shoulders based on measurement from the datum surface). then, laying the tenon across the surface where the mortise will go, and using the tenon itself to scribe the length of the mortise.
this is not "dig the hole then fill it," obviously, but I since you measured the same thing twice-once for the mortise, and again for the tenon-the first place my brain went was, "I could make a mistake, doing that," so I wondered.
in any case, I appreciate your very measured approach to this. this video filled in a lot of info that I was curious about, for example the shape of mortise chisels vs. bevel-edge. these videos are a wonderful resource, and I really appreciate them.
+ThoperSought I see your logic now. Yes that would be a good way of doing it. In woodwork there is always more than one way to skin a cat (is it PC to say that nowadays?). Speaking of which I notice this vid. from Paul Sellars where he compares using a bevel edge vs mortice chisel for chopping mortices. He seems to favour the bevel for his particular morticing method. I favour the mortice, but as I said in the vid. it's not essential the bevel edge will do the job. ua-cam.com/video/q_NXq7_TILA/v-deo.html
I am planning a vid on making a bench with only minimal tools using a fire door blank. But that's probably not for a month or so
Christopher Tribe
thank you very much for replying again!
yeah, sorry I wasn't clear the first time around.
there do seem to be many ways to do similar things, and it's doubtful that any one could be judged to be 'right,' although some may match better with certain toolsets, etc.
I watched that Paul Sellers vid directly after watching yours, as it happens: it was in the list recommended when your vid finished.
without trying both I'm not sure, but I wonder if the difference in his results wasn't just his comfort with one tool over the other. it seems to me that the large registration face on the mortise chisels should help to make a more accurate job of it, and I would think that would lead to a better surface finish if you did both with equal skill. but maybe there's something I'm missing.
I'll be looking forward to your bench-building video! it'll probably be more than that before I actually start buying the stock, anyway, as I'm busy with normal life.
Can you get away without a mortise marking gauge ?
Yes. It's just a bit more time consuming. You could make the marks for one side of the mortice and tenon then reset the gauge to do the other side. You should get a well fitting joint as long as you make sure to do all your marking from the same face.
Hello Christopher,
can you give me the contact information for the kid you spoke of in the beginning?
I want to send him a chisel.
Thanks
Stephan
+Stephan W My thought as well. He could end up with a set! If he contacts me I'll get more information
+Stephan W Thank you for your concern and your support Sir!
35 minute clip on this topic is a lot. We do not have much time. Sorry. (Translated by Google)
+Vsetko vidim Why is everyone in such a hurry nowadays? Recently someone commented on the length of my honing vid, I must admit they had a point so I've posted a shorter one. But I don't think I could cut this one without removing some nuggets!
So Vsetko, relax, chill out and enjoy the vid. because "What is this life , if full of care, we have no time to stand and stare" (William H. Davies (1871-1940))
+Christopher Tribe There is nothing wrong with the length of this video. I actually prefer a well explained lesson to a brief list of bullet points. Far better to watch you in real time as you explain all the necessary points. It's you videos which have taught me to saw straight and sharpen a cabinet scraper. Please don't change how you teach or edit your videos. I and many others keep coming back because you teach very well, many thanks, Simon.
+Vsetko vidim Why is everyone in such a hurry! I had a comment about the length of my honing video recently. I posted a short version of that one as the criticism may have been valid. But I don't think I could make this one much shorter without removing some nuggets. So Vsetko relax, chill out, go with the flow. "What is life, if full of care,we have no time to stand and stare" (William H. Davies)
+Simon Hillier Thanks for that Simon, it's nice to know that I'm hitting the right note for some people. I suppose everyone is looking for something different when they come to this type of video, so you can't please everyone all the time.
@Larisa Ulkina Thanks for that Larisa, I hope the class goes well. I would be happy to advise on any problems.