Key Bishop Warns Pope Francis NOT To Excommunicate Archbishop Vigano
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
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I agree 100% with Archbishop Vigano. He is a holy, honest man, unlike Francis.
Someone needs to warn him of the consequences of banning the TLM too.
What would the consequences be?
The TLM is here to stay. Francis was pretty clear.
@@littlerock5256 "No one therefore, and in any way, dare to violate or transgress this document of ours with reckless daring: faculty, statute, order, mandate, precept, concession, pardon, declaration, will, decree and inhibition. That if anyone has the audacity to attack you, he should know that he will incur the indignation of almighty God and his blessed Apostles Peter and Paul." (Quo Primum Tempore, XII)
This is from the apostolic constitution that canonized the tridentine Mass. I'd suggest to read it all. That's why the TLM cannot be abrogated.
@@Saiyan585 What document and statement made it clear that ?
@@andre_xlvii Quo Primum was an apostolic constitution on the liturgy and a future pope can make his own changes to the liturgy as he sees fit. If fact, some changes were made prior to Vatican II.
Excommunicate him for what? Vigano is a very HOLY MAN!
Definition of schism - refusal to submit to the roman pontiff
Vigano is guilty of schism. It's pretty clear cut.
Exactly !
Speaking the truth!
Excommunication because he follows the truth. Not the homosexual, woke, globalists of Rome.
When you claim the Pope isn't the Pope then you're led by the Spirit if schism.
Remember these potential new restrictions the next time you hear the word “synodality.”
I support Archbishop Vigano.
I support the Father The Son and the One Apostlolic Chuch that has no walls.
@@hewhoowilliams4661 I support the truth of the church that was given to us. We all have God given brains to see that this Pope is leading the flock astray. I will not blindly follow him. Vigano is awake.
Thank you, Anthony, for bringing this up! It is outrageous, no real catholic can understand why Pope Francis chooses to follow the ideas of abusers, pedofiles and comunists, massons, and ignore the advice of wise priests, bishops, cardinals. Sad times for our Church!
Greetings from a traditional Brazilian catholic.
Whatever he does is invalid in the eyes of God, for he does not have the keys Our Lord gave to St. Peter. If you have not read messages announced from the Mission of Divine Mercy, please read them. Then you will understand.
@@hyeminkwun9523
We are blessed in Houston to have my SSPX Chapel and an FSSP congregation within 20 minutes from my home. Everyone is welcome to our Chapel and believe me, we are growing fast with babies, children, young people, and old, like myself.
If Vigano is excommunicated (from the post-vaticanII community) then the pope will be effectively saying that the Pre- and Post-Vatican II are different churches.
Well yea. Schismatics are not affirming the V2 and the pope has to discipline the dissenters, because it is people like Vigano who are dividing the Church
@@jakajakos clearly you havent read v2 and havent read church history
Hahaha! Modernists aren't even Catholic. They are the epitome of divisiveness.
@jakajakos I am an old woman. It's curious that when I was young I was a Catholic one way but now to be Catholic means another way and I'm considered a schismatic although I am still practicing and believing the same from my youth. Lord have mercy.
@@maryharrington8983 one of the key aspects of being a Catholic is being in communion with the bishop of Rome/successor of St Peter and the college of bishops. If you are rebelling against the Holy See in favor of some popular public figure because he espouses political beliefs you agree with, then you are a protestant and you have already departed from the Church. Sedevacantists and radtrads who deny the authority of this pope, the magesterium and the V2 ecumenical council are going to get excommunicated and sanctioned, which was a long time coming and honestly should've happened a long time ago. The rethoric coming from your camps that are opposing the pope is near identical to rethoric of Martin Luther and other protestant heretics. I pray you repent before you cut yourself from the Church of Christ out of pride and prejudice.
Some one should warn 'Pope' Francis of the perils of spending eternity in Hell as well.
I'll warn you that being a sede is not the way either
@@loganpurchase7721 We’re obligated to respect the office of the Papacy!!! NOT obligated to respect and obey a heretical apostate pope, which IS what “Pope” Francis IS‼️‼️‼️
@@loganpurchase7721 Not everyone who disagrees with Francis is a sede and you do yourself no favors by refusing that simple fact.
@@mariimichelle the Pope is part of thr office
@@rtyria by putting air quotes, that implied he isn't the pope
it threatens their one-world religion
The people who want their one-world religion put unity before truth, which must never be.
Francis is an old man. He should have known years ago, however much he might want unity, putting unity before truth invariably will end by betraying the truth.
Christianity was brought to Africa, now African priests are coming to Europe as there a dearth of vocations there. The African priests have fitted into their new communities and people are happy with them.
God bless the African clergy.
It’s a wonderful gift from the church in the “global south”. But I’m afraid on the ground I’ve found a good deal of racism in some towards the African, Indian, and Philippine priests… a lot of it comes down to not liking foreign accents
st Augustine was from Africa
I live in Ottawa, Canada. We have too many Priests to count from Nigeria in our Archdiocese.
@@minui8758I see the same prejudices in Canada when it comes to foreign priests. This is awful!
Sorry, they can suck up to him all they want, if he thinks they think that he has to be obeyed about evil things then he’ll crush them. No one can bind another humans conscience to do that which is evil. Why don’t people know this? For example, if I tell my children to rob a bank and say: oh, I’m your mother, you’re bound to honor me so go rob that bank! It doesn’t work that way. Yes, I’m still their mother but I cannot bind their conscience to do something evil just because I am their mother and fulfill that role otherwise. I’m still the mother but I can’t use that role to tell my children to sin. Get it?
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What's the "evil things" here?
@@Penitent_Thief if you don’t know what an example of something evil would involve, then you’re a perfect case study of the poor catechesis in the Church. Anything that contradicts the teachings of the Apostles and the previous Popes who upheld those teachings. Such as teaching that God is to be worshiped in the way He wants to be worshiped. That means that the Tridentine Mass is the only truly valid Mass according to the constant teaching of the Popes and the Magisterium.
@@minapipita7917 I can’t take all the credit lol hat tip to Father Wiseman SSPX and his podcast on The Limits of Obedience in Light of Traditiones Custodes- from the crisis in the Church series.
Bowing to the pachamama, blessing same-sex unions etc.
*Correction* : I said FSSP in the Live Chat, but the Priest who offers the TLM travelling from Orkney is, I think, from the FSSR - Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer. The SSPX also travel about to "Mass Centres". It's often once every 3-4 weeks though. God bless them all for this. The Diocesan TLM that _was_ nearest me (30 miles away) was "discontinued" about 18 months ago. The "SSPX Scotland" Live Stream a Mass every Sunday on YT. It's beautifully done and some great homilies too.
Fr. Nicholas CSSR travels to Inverness and Aberdeen from Stronsay, Orkney every month. He is SSPX.
@@TartanCatholic Ah, that might be the one I was thinking about. Thanks! I'm losing track of all these acronyms :)
@TartanCatholic
But, CSSR is the Redemptorist Order...he can't be both SSPX and CSSR!
However, the CSSR has the last outlier of Traditional Redemptorists, there on Stronsay, I have heard. All the other CSSR priests have gone whacko. Great to know they are still there!
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This will have predictable and catastrophic consequences on future priestly vocations. This is all on purpose…
As was the manufactured priest shortage.
Perhaps that's the GOAL.
Bp. Schneider probably would have said that John the Baptist’s language against the Pharisees was disrespectful.
Thank you for a great Show Dear Brother Anthony! Praying for your Intentions always! Ave Maria! Watching you again! 🌹
Why is Martin Luther okay, and Vigano Is not? If the TLM is not appropriate for the church, then why is it okay for some orders at the same time?
I came to the TLM in 2023 thru the archdiocesan offering of an oratory devoted exclusively to the traditional rite. I've found it truly formative; it helps me mentally snd emotionally to want to be a better Catholic in a way that assisting at the novus ordo NEVER has and i was raised in the latter for 53 years. Such sadness if this goes away. It simply cannot be. This is an unlawful order. And in conscience I cannot follow an unlawful order. We'll see what comes.
@AppealToHeaven for the record, the Pope has the lawfully authority to restrict or abolish the Latin Mass.
@@zhukov7923 actually he doesn't
Pope Francis must remember what happens when things are banned.
This is not a good Pope. It is obvious. The Catholic Church has taken a nose dive under his leadership. That is obvious. Vigano is telling it like it is.
@@Philothea7 So far as I know, Pope Francis didn't ban traditional mass. He just put it under strict control to reduce possibility of weaponizing it.
The key of everything is obedience. Every priest always made a vow of obedience. Unless the Holy Father committed terrible sin or very terrible mistake, I think obedience still needs to be held tightly, regardless there is agreement or disagreement with His decision as Church Leader.
@@ven1805Please explain how the TLM can be "weaponized." To what end?
@@ven1805I take it you aren't a TLMer...
Well in that case it's time we speak a language that they understand if they want to try to take away the mass of the ages then we take away the ching ching.
They may not understand or want to understand Latin but they understand this word money money money money MONEY money money money money MONEY money money money money MONEY... apologies to The O'Jays and you didn't read that you sang it.
But we start taking our money away from the Diocesan and hierarchical structures of the church give it to the fssp icrss sspx and even sspv and cmri get our older relatives that are contemplating leaving Estates for the church to make it contingent on restoration of the tlm in position on par with the parameters set by Summorum Pontificum at the absolute bare minimum, and preferably full restoration based on Quo Primum. But protests outside of every Chancery and Cathedral when they are pulling this crap as well as outside the Vatican will make it clear to them that this position for them is unsustainable because they'll act like we think we have nowhere else to go but to somehow reconcile ourselves to The Bogus Ordo well they may have their ontological issues with the hierarchy of the church, but we do have a place to go and we will go there and we will take our money and our families with us.
Resist we can resist we much resist we must.
Thank you for this updates! God bless you!
Go ahead Archbishop Vigano, proclaim Bergoglio is not the Pope, never was, or will be. The sword of that truth will eradicate all the errors, and new life will be breathed into the Church.
The audio content today was perfect
This will be a return to the bad old days of my youth. My mom died after years and years without the sacraments, and it will be the same for me. I’m on oxygen and so a long drive is impossible. It will be the end of Mass attendance for me.
Don't deny yourself the sacraments. Do everything you can to have Communion brought to you, and a Priest to visit you regularly to administer sacraments.
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Although a poor substitute, hear the TLM on TV, and ask the nearest FSSP chapel if they ever send priests out into your area to give communion to the homebound. If so, ask about Last Rites from those same priests. Even if you are only given communion occasionally, you are better off than some Catholics around the world. Receive every communion as if it is your last.
You can receive spiritual communion
Pray a Spiritual Communion daily, and pray the Unity Prayer, the Rosary, and Golden Arrow prayer to the Holy Face of Jesus, also, the Chaplet of Divine Mercy. Wear your Scapular and Miraculous medal. Put on the whole armor of God, we are in a spiritual battle. The Mass from the Shrine of Divine Mercy is on U-tube daily, and although it is not Latin Mass, it is very traditional, and you can pray the Rosary, Chaplet of Divine Mercy, and be in Adoration with them, starting at 3:00 daily. It is wonderful for those who are home bound, and it is wonderful to be able to be in attendance spiritually, with the Mass. I watch and pray with them even when I attend Mass physically at my Church. It's a blessing.🙏🙏🙏
There is FSSP and SSPX in El Paso, TX and also a SSPX Chapel in Juarez, Mexico...
Pray.Pray Pray.
In the words of catholic convert obi Wan kenobi, if you excommunicate me I'll become more powerful than you can imagine.
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Dr. Anthony, it is quite shocking to witness people at the end of their lives being treated in this manner by the very institution they already gave their entire lives to !! We would not do that to grandparents, would we? Not in our own families, no matter how "wrong'" they might have been. We would not sever our elderly from their home at their age ....period. We would not leave them alone and unprotected both physically and mentally right at the moment they are in natural decline. This is unseemly at so many levels; truly awful, ugly, an unworthy example of how to live and work together in this world -bad from every angle for all involved and those affected including us Catholics.
*No audio lagging whatsoever*
Video quality was excellent.
Hummm? Every time I hear about getting rid of the TLM my thoughts go back to hearing exorcists state “The devil hates Latin”. Why the push? Who are they trying to please.??? 😪
Good questions.
Their earthly master.
Say the rosary.
How long will Our Lord allow this but it in the apparitions, the closing of Mass. This is just pure evil.
I agree with you Sister Lottie! ❤
Hope you are doing well, dear Lottie
Just go along with it - it's tradition! Tradition! Tradition!
Well in that case it's time we speak a language that they understand if they want to try to take away the mass of the ages then we take away the ching ching.
They may not understand or want to understand Latin but they understand this word money money money money MONEY money money money money MONEY money money money money MONEY... apologies to The O'Jays and you didn't read that you sang it.
It's a sad State of Affairs in the church but the fact is they understand the threat of the loss of money more than anything else out there, so it's time we speak their language
But we start taking our money away from the Diocesan and hierarchical structures of the church give it to the fssp icrss sspx and even sspv and cmri get our older relatives that are contemplating leaving Estates for the church to make it contingent on restoration of the tlm in position on par with the parameters set by Summorum Pontificum at the absolute bare minimum, and preferably full restoration based on Quo Primum. But protests outside of every Chancery and Cathedral when they are pulling this crap as well as outside the Vatican will make it clear to them that this position for them is unsustainable because they'll act like we think we have nowhere else to go but to somehow reconcile ourselves to The Bogus Ordo well they may have their ontological issues with the hierarchy of the church, but we do have a place to go and we will go there and we will take our money and our families with us.
Resist we can resist we much resist we must.
How do you simultaneously restrict bishops and reduce the power of the pope? Isn't the synod on synodality making the Chair of Saint Peter irrelevant? Doesn't that empower the bishops who are descendants of the other apostles?
Francis has one foot in the papacy and one foot out of it. . "I'm no longer Pope but I have the authority to declare a synodal church."
The hypocrisy shows Francis is a practicing leftist, not a practicing Catholic.
You would think that at face value, but that is pretty much exactly the opposite of what is going on. The only bishops getting their power limited are simple bishops, not the pope. The synod is all about the process, not the outcome. The process hides raw papal power-moves disguised as the wishes and desires of the laity (carefully chosen by Francis' cronies to advance his agenda). If you know how the Concilium wrote the new Mass then you have an idea of how this will go. Bugnini wanted to radically redesign the Mass and knew none of the bishops or the pope would go for it, so he played both ends against the middle and did his best to keep each party from speaking to the other. So he would lie to the Concilium that the pope wanted this, and then lie to the pope that the Concilium wanted that, meanwhile his hand picked laymen and Protestants were very busy in the backroom. He got what he wanted and we've been stuck with it ever since. It's the same thing with the synod, only it'll ultimately fail.
The schisim will become obvious to the world at large that began with Vatican II & the NO mass.... the Church has left the Faith and the faithful to 2000 years of the teachings of Jesus, the saints, and the apparitions of Jesus and Our Lady.... those that remain faithfull will fight for the Faith one way or another
The main problem we have here is that Rome is, currently, in the course of negotiations with the Eastern Orthodox Churches, with a view to moving towards closer union. In principle, it is only possible for a Decree of Excommunication to be made by the Church if it remains a single, united, entity. So, if Rome maintains the view that it is the only one true Church and that the Eastern Orthodox Churches are not part of the true Church of Jesus Christ, but are all, in effect, excommunicated from Rome, then, adding Archbishop Vigano to their number is perfectly logical. However, if Rome now takes the view that the Church is made up of the Eastern and Western Churches and that it is desirable that they be united once again and if Rome lifts the universal status of excommunication from the Eastern Orthodox Churches, then they would be regarded as being in some form of union with Rome. Rome would not, in that case, be the one true Church, which would be made up of both the Eastern and Western Churches. On that model of the Church, it would not be possible for Rome to issue a Decree of Excommunication against Archbishop Vigano. For such a Decree to be valid, it would be necessary for each and every one of the Eastern Orthodox Churches to issue a similar Decree to the same effect. Otherwise, Archbishop Vigano would only be out of communion with Rome - he would not be out of union with the whole Church, since he would remain in communion with the Eastern Orthodox Churches, unless they also chose to issue Decrees of excommunication against him. That is to say, he would be able to receive the Eucharist in an Eastern Orthodox Church and Rome does accept that the Eastern Orthodox Churches do have a valid Eucharist. So, Rome cannot exclude Archbishop Vigano from the Eucharist, if it offered to him by one of the Eastern Orthodox Churches.
Keep in mind in the case of the Eastern churches they consider the pope to be first among equals not Supreme over them. Any other Pope out there over the years I would say the chances of such a Reconciliation on that basis alone would be zero but my gut feeling on that basis is that Pope Francis may not be afraid of sharing the stage on equal footing with the Eastern Patriarchs But ultimately we must resist any attempt by them of doing this and to do so we must speak in the language they understand and I'm not talking about Latin I'm talking about the money stop giving money to the mainstream hierarchy of the church if you're Parish needs something done everybody pull their cash together and take care of it that way but beyond the parish level bleed the church hierarchy dry because they may or may not understand or want to understand Latin but I guarantee you they understand the ching ching money money money money MONEY money money money money MONEY (apologies to the O-Jays and you did not read that you sang it). Since they do get a lot of money for activities for the church from the government, get our elderly loved ones to stop automatically giving to the church in their Estates unless the tlm is restored based on the parameters of Summorum Pontificum AT THE BARE MINIMUM. if they continue to crack down on this start lobbying for that money to be taken from them as well. Let's have them quaking in their shoes and they will comply, or all that will be left is sspx fssp icrss as well as the sede groups such as sspv and cmri.
@@eddieschwab864 My own preferences are rather eccentric. If I could choose, then I should wish to have the Tridentine form of the Mass, unaltered, but said in English and with the congregation, and not just the Altar servers, saying the responses. With the Priest facing the people for the Liturgy of the Word (and the homily, of course) but facing the high altar for the Liturgy of the Eucharist. I am convinced that this is what the Bishops at the Second Vatican Council thought that they were signing up to. They were simply told that the Mass should be more intelligible to the Faithful and that the whole congregation should be more involved. It was never contemplated by the Bishops (or the majority of them, at any rate) that the Mass would be entirely re written, on the advice of a Committee which included Protestants who had a significant input into the new form of the Mass. I love the Latin language and read Latin poetry and works such as De Bello Gallico for relaxation. I also sometimes read the Bible in Latin, since I know the English translation in most cases and it prevents my Latin from going rusty. However, I do not, obviously, wish the Mass to be in a language which I, personally, would prefer. I wish it to be in a language which the congregation are able to understand. The Latin language is a beautiful language and the basis of many European languages and should, in my view, continue to be taught in schools. In large cities, with a large number of tourists from all over the world, then having Mass in Latin would be very useful.
@@eddieschwab864 The Catholic Church does accept that the Eastern Orthodox Churches do have Apostolic Succession and a valid Eucharist. Officially, however, the Catholic Church considers that the Great Schism in 1054 was caused by the Eastern Orthodox Churches leaving the one true Church to go it alone. The Eastern Orthodox Churches were very much more united amongst themselves in 1054 and they have failed to maintain much of that unity after the Great Schism. However, the Catholic Church has chosen to adopt a pragmatic approach. It would be unrealistic to assert that each and every member of the Eastern Orthodox Churches is in a state of schism, and, therefore, excommunicated and destined to be lost. That is, simply, an unrealistic position to adopt. However, given that the Catholic Church does not now really consider the Eastern Orthodox Churches to be schismatic and excommunicate, any person who becomes a member of an Eastern Orthodox Church can receive a valid Eucharist from a Priest in the line of Apostolic Succession. It is this which makes excommunicating Archbishop Vigano so problematic. The whole basis of excommunication is that the schismatic has acted in such a way as to completely cut himself off from the whole Body of Christ and is cast out into the outer darkness, unable to receive the Eucharist or enjoy fellowship with any other Christian. The Pope simply does not have authority which is wide enough to produce the effect which he wishes to achieve - he does risk simply making himself look rather silly.
Lol bunch of nonsense. Seek help now
@@Mark3ABE well I'll put it to you this way based on something that a friend said about their issue with the tlm when I was explaining things to them, they said they didn't like the fact that the people didn't respond and or that the priest is facing away and I said to them plainly the priest is not talking to you in those instances he's talking to God any part that matters where they're that is relevant to us such as reading the scripture and gospel Gospel reading and the homily in the vernacular that's when they're facing us now as it were one of the intermediate forms before they finally settled on the new Mass we all knowing love, sarcasm, one of the intermediate forms in the immediate years after the council was essentially tlm rubrics but in the vernacular although the priest was still facing the same direction as the people don't think of it as the priest looking away from us but as looking at in the same direction as the people towards God the new Mass in typical form the priest is got his back to God as if he's turning his back on God. Heck for that matter they didn't do away with doing it from the high altar even in the novus ordo until somewhere in the early seventies I grew up knowing nothing but the new Mass but there are pictures of the parish that we went to for years where the altar had been right up against the wall with the Tabernacle dead center rather than off to the right and that was a relatively modern built church although it was laid out in cruciform layout for the modern aesthetic of the building based on some of the pictures when Father Hank Willett was there, it was quite nice and certainly would have been more than acceptable for tlm aesthetic if they would have added a rail that much had already gone away by the time it was completed in 1970, but yeah supposedly most priests were still doing the mass ad orientem in the early years of the novus ordo. I think it was mid-70s when they went to versus populum (facing the parishioners. Even some of the early pictures of that church for that matter before they added more pews had a few quite lovely side altars in the transept near the front of the sanctuary as well as another altar near the back by the cry room. Really wish they had kept that location and building but the growth of the parish dictated a new location only thing worse than that was the charlatans that they got to help them come up with the redesign never cringed at the words Living Stones before, but what that guy did to our lovely church I want to vomit.
Connection was good! Thank you for the work that you do in covering these stories!
This makes me very sad. Where can we go?
I am 78. This may be the beginning of the
underground Masses.
What about oratories and Mission Churches. Ours is a Mission Church. St. Leo’s in
Columbus is an Oratory.
The whole video worked for me!!! No slurred pics or sound! Thanks, Anthony!
The fact that "they" are trying to curtail and rescind the authority of the typical Bishop tells you that they (the wicked) fear the justified authority to fraternally correct and not comply with unjust decrees. The only real authority that can, in actuality, both spiritually and literally defeat their nonsense IS their brother priests. This document is a statement of proof in that regard.
Agree!
Sounds like the time has come to go underground 😢😢😢
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The connection was so much better
Audio was great! 👌🏼
Anthony Stine Connection was good! Thanks!🙏
MELBOURNE AUSTRALIA has already banned Latin Mass at the Cathedral. Their last mass was on June 19, 2023
I reported on that when it happened
I don't listen as much to what they say...but I watch what they DO. I do NOT believe BerGOGlio will leave the _ex-Ecclesia Dei_ Orders alone. Not at all. He is a snake following the orders of his true master.
What ever he does regarding them will be quiet and with very little attention, or else loud and for maximum dramatic effect. One way or the other it will cause a little suffering and then ultimately fail. If God is the Author of the Mass, and He is, then nothing will destroy it.
@rtyria
Very true! While this whole debacle of V2 has produced much suffering, it has also challenged Catholics - shaking them out of their complacency,p - and asking themselves what do they *really* believe? The Winnowing. 🙏🙏🙏💕
I'm glad i was baptised before the changes introduced after V2. If i had to introduce somebody for baptism, i would only introduce them to a priest performing the old rite baptism. The old rites had certain prayers for a particular reason
If the Catholic church isn't strong enough to have disagreements the ships going down. Banning anyone but the worst is a sign of weakness. Remember the Prodigal son walked out on his own.
This is more like the father and obedient son walking for greener pastures and the “prodigal” son left in charge of the estate. It’s the Pope weakening his authority and abandoning the true faith.
So you're saying when Christ says the gates of hell will never prevail against His church, He was wrong? The church has always gone through turbulent times yet it stands 2,000 years later. The longest lasting institution on earth. It's not going anywhere. If schismatics want to abandon ship prematurely then, they'll reap the consequences.
this all makes Vigano look right and good in his assessment of this Papacy
Parolin looks possessed. He probably is.
If Perolin walks out onto the loggia, I'll add his photo to my dartboard. I should have done so years ago over the secret agreement with CCP. I think I'll just add his pic now.
So does Fernandez
I had to reread that twice I thought you said dashboard as in LARPing GTA on sight...
Ditto: Cardinal Roach.
@artstocker60 Oh 100 % since all this stuff started I call him Cardinal Cockroach in the case of Arthur Roche.
Just an FYI, another podcaster was having a little of this lagging(?) problem yest too. Today was perfect, tho. 😉😁😁
@@charcushman9507 I had to take drastic and expensive over the annual term measures to fix the problem.
With the Church starved for vocations, it is a tell that they halt ordination…by their fruits.
I have a question though; if Peter has the keys and what he binds, he binds and what he looses, he looses…how does the Church continue if what is changed, whether we like it or not, is ignored?
This seems to be the difficulty from a continuity of the Faith.
This is the apparent trap of humans deciding things in the Church, but does the Pope have the keys or not and what are the limits?
Any documents and teachings anyone can reference would be appreciated. I want Church teachings to study…though opinions are welcome.
@grasshoffers
I'm too lazy to go look up all that stuff (sorry!), but the Infallibility of the Papal Office is HIGHLY limited in scope. Theologians call it a "negative protection", preventing false dogma/doctrine from being *formally* promulgated as binding upon the Church. The Pope can ONLY teach/preach the Faith _as it has always been taught from the beginning, AND defend the Faith. Basically, that's it. He has ZERO Authority to change it by so much as a letter.
Great podcast
Schnider's next. Can't wait. I'll grab some popcorn!
The sorrowful reality is that all of the Ecclesia Dei organizations need episcopal permission to operate in any diocese. What careerist bishop is ever going to give them permission to offer the TLM in any diocese? My feeling is the end game is to stamp out the TLM in dioceses and then when the Ecclesia Dei organizations find themselves homeless because no diocese will permit them to enter. This is how you, according to the cliche, cook the frog. there is no real charity in any of these meetings.
My bishop is very very supportive of the FSSP in the diocese. his predecessor. Bishop Bruskewitz, invited the FSSP to open their seminary here.
@@femaleKCRoyalsFan Even during the French Revolution some parts of France escaped the Reign of Terror and life continued to be "approximately" normal. I doubt Rome even knows where your diocese is. If your bishop indiscreetly defends orthodoxy and trumpets it on line garnering attention, there will probably be a visitation and the FSSP will be sent packing. The exception does not disprove the general observation.
17:43 the Latin Mass needs to go underground
Remember to leave your "smart" phone at home.
it probably will. I really don't get the movement against it unless it somehow leads to other "thoughts and way that aren't I guess current (modern)
I know that a "normal: NO especailly with the praise music (vs hymns) is A LOT like protestant services.
How do we take God underground? 😵💫
🎵Are you gonna wait for a sign, hete's your miracle..
STAND UP AND FIGHT...🎵🎶🎵
hete's / here's
Is important to realize that speaking poorly about a pope does a grave injustice to mother church? And the most important part of the mass should be our focus.
Great connection
Bishop Schneider is a great man. How He's not a Cardinal is a joke. He should be the next Pope. If only.
Many a good bishops should have been elevated to Cardinal. Example Archbishop Chapu.
Banning the TLM is equivalent to I’m losing the game so I’m going to take my ball and go home. Norvus Ordo Mass and parishes are losing the game Norvus Ordo Mass attendance is way down worldwide. When I attend the TLM at my parish it’s jammed packed with people especially young families..
They need to not comply because it's illegal!
I'm not a Catholic. While that means I am far less informed, it also means that I'm can be more objective. This is not my fight, although I am on your side.
*Many of the arguments against Pope Francis making this move assume that he and those like him don't want to see the exodus of millions of traditional Catholics. That may be wrong. It's quite possible that they see this move as a way to rid themselves of those very people.*
Why? In law and politics there's an expression, "Follow the money." It means that to understand an issue you must look at who benefits financially. In religious disputes there's something similar, "Follow the property."
Hierarchical Catholicism, with Pope Francis at the top, is one of the largest owners of buildings and land on the planet. Whoever controls that has enormous wealth and power. Getting traditional Catholics to leave would radically empower the religious and cultural forces surrounding Pope Francis.
Something similar has been happening with major Protestant denominations in the U.S. For some of them, legal documents place the ownership of churches and schools in the hands of the denomination's hierarchy. A church or school that leaves, fully supported its members, finds that hierarchy taking legal action to take over its facilities even though almost all the costs of those buildings had been provided by those departing local members.
Much the same could happen to Catholic churches and schools. In fact that may be the long-term goal of Pope Francis and those behind him.
Well observed!
BRAVISSIMO!!!! I've observed EXACTLY as much happening with both "mainstream" Protestantism AND it's now surfacing in Catholicism thanks to such Antichrists as Bergoglio, Parolin, Tagle, (Timothy) Dolan, McElroy and the rest.
It most truly seems as if all those ANTI-prelates and anti-priests are out to KILL any and all church congregations they possibly can and make them unable to worship where they have worshipped even for centuries (in Europe, even soon to be a couple of millennia)!!!! I just find it appalling that they likely want to literally even DESTROY traditional buildings like the great cathedrals and other old churches in order to serve their "god" SATAN (especially since they anyway HATE our entire Western civilisation!!!!), since MANY of those wretches are atheists at heart as well as *_MARXISTS!!!!_*
*MARANATHA - Lord, DON'T DELAY, PLEASE, YOUR COMING!!!! We're all too close to spiritual and mental death as it is!!!!!*
I think you just may be right. I have been seeing this issue emotionally, focused on the spiritual loss that supressing the Mass of the Ages will have. . I have assumed that the motivation behind the attacks against Tradition , is spiritual in nature.. What if it is only pure greed, and lust for earthly wealth and power ? i am thinking of the English Reformation . Old King Henry VIII, cloaked his break with Rome and subsequent seizure of Church property, with his “Great Matter”., a spiritual crisis over wanting a divorce. . At the same time, his treasury just happened to be bankrupt. 🕯️ And i hear that Martin Luther and his ideas are greatly admired by the current head of the heirarchy, in Rome.
Francis is out of control. The Church, the one place where we should expect reason, clarity and patient calm, we have inconsistent, erratic and just plain erroneous guidance, leading to turbulence and confusion.
For the record, under the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the Pope has the authority to restrict the Latin Mass.
How do you know you’re getting the right information? Has the mass really changed so much that it is unrecognizable? Did the apostles speak in tongues in the peoples native language? Whether it be a Latin mass or any other mass it is just a mass. The only person I see here who doesn’t badmouth everyone else is the pope but yet somehow, he’s the bad guy.
The document is expected to 'drop' next month, but I have no doubt that it was written a long time ago. Holding off "lowering the boom' is a form of abuse, hatred, and vindictiveness. They know we are waiting to see how much 'punishment' the pope is going to inflict on us who wish to worship as Jesus decreed and the great saints of history embraced. Isn't wishing to follow in the steps of the saints a prime way to become saints ourselves? I was thinking of moving back to near my previous parish that offers the TLM (Right now, that parish 1.75 hrs. away). Even its NO masses are night and day different from the ones offered at the average parish: No 'sign of peace', no rock music, votive candles to light are available, and you can hear a pin drop (most of the time) when you enter. It was even more traditional before the previous pastor died. I can't rely on the parish staying that way forever, but if the TLM is banned there, I am concerned that the parish will change due to fewer graces, and because many of the TLM attendees will not come and will choose, instead, to drive to a FSSP, etc. chapel. The nearest FSSP parish to me is 3.5 hrs. away. If I were not a widow caring for my parents in their 80s (I am the sole surviving child), I would consider driving that far, but I don't feel able to do so alone. Oh, how I wish the FSSP and ICKSP had grown faster and that their chapels had multiplied 100 times more in number than they did. I can't move far due to my parents now (My family tends to live into their 90s), but perhaps it will be possible in 10 years after they pass; but, by then, I will be in my 70s and even more alone. I know why the pope and his henchmen hate us so much. What I don't understand is why they love non-Catholics more than us.
had no audio issues this video... first time in weeks. Yay
Saint Catherine of Siena confronted the Pope of her time. Both Archbishop Vigano and Schneider can do the same.
Bishop Schneider is a good fellow for doing that, but the transgressions in Rome are not inconsequential. I want to get to the bottom of Vigano's claims. That's the only way we're going to fix the division in the church in my opinion. Pushing them aside solves nothing!
Bravo to Monsignor Viganò 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 how good that he denounces the heretic Bergoglio!
Good, someone checking this "pope"
They know that the episcopal ordination is invalid. They changed the words from the traditional rite. That turned bishops invalid and therefore the priests they intended to ordain. There is a white paper on this well documented that explains this matter. I can post it here if you want to read it.
Links won't work. The changes in the sacraments (including Holy Orders) are still valid. There have been legit Eucharistic miracles at NO Masses said by priests ordained with the new rite. Your white paper is just someone's opinion and thus carries no weight.
@@rtyria should read it…. Did you read it? The words are for consecration of patriarcs who are already bishops. Read it please. I am not against you we all have been deceived by these monsters.
Much better connect, Anthony.
Signal seemed fine today.
by the way it seems harder to find you even though I am subscribed, I often have to search for you in morning. You must be doing something right.
Could hear you just fine
Pope Francis should excommunicate himself.
No technical issues with replay.
How very synodical of them. They permit any religion except the Traditional rite of Mother Church. I try to not get mad about these things but they don’t make it easy.
Better connection Bossman...
Anyone with the letters SJ at the end of their name instantly their credibility drops 20 points. The Jesuits have really Fallen hard to lose all credibility with any faithful Catholics one time being to the priesthood what the Green Berets were to the Army...
Isn’t rupture just another word for schism, ie, the postconciliar church is in schism?
Would this also include or affect the old form traditional Latin exorcisms? (including exorcisms of sacramentals prior to blessings?
Yes, unless done in secret.
While a historical precedent does create a foundation for a theological position to sit on. Really, all theological positions with no historical precedent, always sat on the foundation of logic only. Is it logical for someone who wants to eliminate the papacy and replace it with synodality, to intent to become a person with the authority of a pope? It doesn't if they claim they are going back to historical synodality. He is going to become what he claims is an illegitimate authority, to re-establish historical authority? If the papacy is historical authority, which all Catholic believe, then he is merely undermining the rightful authority of the Church! In that case he became the rightful authority to illegitimately end the rightful authority!
While an Eastern Rite Patriarch can decide to not be a Patriarch and join the Roman Rite (eliminate his own authority which he also needs the consent of a majority of his subjects and he needed and got the consent of the pope in Quo Primum), he cannot claim there can not be, or does not have to be, a Patriarch of the Roman Rite! Nor can he claim as a Patriarch, he never held a position of authority.
Archbishop Vigano's position sits on the foundation of what constitutes a valid marriage and is a logical position alongside the positions of Fr. Kramer and Dr. Edmond Mazza.
What has no foundation, is to believe Francis, when failing to condemn error, can do what Pope Liberius could not do, when failing to condemn error. Pope Liberius could not make St. Athanasius guilty of schism, and Francis cannot make Archbishop Vigano guilty of schism!
This whole situation is only making the accusations more credible🧐
Vigano is right, the pope must.go!!!!
Jimmy Martin keeps on going but the pope seems to only focus on the good holy priests to chastise
Archbishop Vigano couldn't care any less what Bergoglio does or doesn't do imo. I'm just Astounded at how determined conservatives are to the ape of the church.
You are not Catholic, but protestant.
" I am astounded at 'how determined liberals are to being wrong' in front of evidence " -Dr. Jordan Peterson.
Connection is fine.
Good morning. Good information, no lagging whatsoever, thank you.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Pope St. Piux X, proclaiming ex cathedra,. the Tridintine Mass in perpetuity as being a valid Mass? Can a Pope somehow take an opposite stance to a proclamation on Faith and Morals and reverse it? Doesn't this go against Papal infallibility? I could use some clarity on this matter.
Pray for the Church. Ave Maria.
See Apostolic Constitution "QUO PRIMUM". of POPE SAINT PIUS FIFTH issued 1570.
@@johnmorgan4313 Thank you, sir, I'll check it out. God bless.
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No, a Pope cannot change something like that if it would negatively affect the Teachings of the Faith (like, ditching the TLM), or cause genuine scandal (actual stumbling blocks to understanding the Faith) among the Faithful.
Quo Primum by Pope St. Pius V set the TLM in granite with his strongly worded Papal Bull.
What and or why would you do this unless you wanted to cause something to happen and what is it you want to happen may God help and bless us all
Great audio and visual today!! Thank you dear brother! Thank you for your hard work.
I wonder, does Oratory's get treated the same as FSSP and ICTK's? Since the definitive foundation of an Oratorian Congregation is actually done by the Roman Pontiff directly, which makes a Congregation what is called a “Pontifical Right” foundation.
Just curious but anyone have numbers of what percentage of canonized saints had experienced the Traditional Latin Mass versus the percentage of canonized saints who only have experienced the Novus Ordo? Saint Pope Pius V, Ora Pro Nobis!
If vigano is not in tune with the Holy Spirit but by his own personal wisdom, why not excommunicate??
Does Pope Francis behave the authority to ban the Latin Mass because it waaA given to us in perpetuity by Pope Pius. v ? Vi?
Bergoglio is always in a terrible mood.
What is the SSPX responsible for?
Excellent audio today !Thank you Dr.Stine for your reports!
Question: Bishop Schneider I thought only offered masses in the traditional rite, I can’t imagine that he would obey this, or any bishop tied to the TLM, do you have thoughts on this? Bishops who are friendly to the FSSP/ICKSP etc. do you think they would adhere to not allowing their seminarians to be ordained in the traditional rite? I see this causing a huge rupture where these unjust orders wouldn’t be obeyed. They would have the Tradition of the Church to support them…that is like the pope saying we are going to remove the Epistle of St. James from Sacred Scripture…he doesn’t have the authority to do that or to ban a rite of mass that has come down from the Apostles.I don’t know…it just seems it will get to a point where the clerics will have to outright resist…
Schneider concelebrated a novus ordo with Francis.
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Thank you for the information. I didn’t realize that…
I don't know how the stonecutters shake hands so I looked at some photos and I can't the difference.