We Can’t Believe we caught This Predator
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- Опубліковано 31 бер 2023
- I've never seen a bobcat up close. This was scary…
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Guarantee over half these comments don't even have livestock. We were alarmed the other day by our flock and i ran out armed and a fox was taking off with one of our hens. I took a life to save one. Our hen came running back terrified and she has been doing great ever since. How is that wrong?
Amazing… you get it. People who don’t have livestock have no idea what we go through. Nice work!
Good job
You need a couple of big lifestock guardian dogs. They will scare away these predators with no issues and save their lives in the process.
EXACTLY what I was thinking.
@@Nateishungry that’s a bad idea it could hurt more wildlife so stick with their idea yes they are more effective JUST DONT DO ITT PLEASEEE
more "live" catch traps and a bb/paintball gun make them learn
He did the right thing. If these animals weren't a problem the government organizations wouldn't be ok to their removal.
The predators also Carry many diseases that can wipe out a group of fowl. As food becomes more expensive in the stores more and more people will start getting chickens and turkeys.
We can have everything but swine where I am. I was told The only place that can have swine is town hall, as long as they stays in their cubical. Then of course DC has most in the country's swine... and on the local level, the capital buildings across the country.
I've seen a large Dog ripped to shreds by a coyote, over 1000 stitches, but survived. Bobcats are the opportunist like most cats. We have them all over where I live, north of Phoenix in cave creek AZ.
They not only kill farm animals but they kill pets. Lots of pets.
We have so many people who that move out to AZ without having any information on living with wildlife. we had, HAD, a large heard of deer on our Mt, black mountain. But every winter snowbirds would take out a few. They are gone now which leaves the 3 or 4 mountain lions in the area in search or other things to eat.
We have coyote and foxes of course but the Bobcats, Mt lions will walk right down the street where my home is. They are on our roof as well.
@@Nateishungry They're proven otherwise. Killing coyotes just puts predator pressure on them and makes them procreate more to fill the void. LGDs just keep them at bay, so they don't have any voids to fill. They just stay away.
I totally understand that you can’t have predators on your farm, but my heart dropped when I saw the fox and the bobcat! So Majestic and beautiful animals!
you haven't lived on a farm have you? A bob cat kill ur animal? it's dead. UR OWN DOG kills an animal? it's dead. If your on a farm you do what you have to do to keep ur animals and ur family safe form anything that may be harmful, that's why they have to put there animals in every night, that's why they have to get electric fences, thos animals are wild and wild animals will eat ur farm animals and if they do they need to be put down or re-homed and in this case the wild life people didnt feel the need to come out and re-home it so 🤷♂️🤷♂️, it's very simple!!
@@FlamFlim00 Haha 😂 try to read it again!
I said nothing about maintenance of your farm! Just the simple thing that they were beautiful animals! But I guess there’s always people that tries to go through life only seeing the negativity!
But hey you be you🙏
But happiness will give you more!
So I hope you get a wonderful day!
And yes I’ve lived on a farm my whole life!
And we have wolverines, wolfs and bear problems!
@@FlamFlim00
I hope you get a wonderful day at work !
just felt you may need something positive🙏
@@FlamFlim00 If your dog kills your own animals, then you have to blame yourself and not the dog 🙃
@@FlamFlim00 they didn’t say anything about that they simply said they are majestic and they are ❤ I love all animals
I think a livestock dog is very necessary for farms. A lot of homestead with livestock and predator pressure has several dogs and even donkeys to help out. It broke my heart to see the bobcat trapped in the very hurtful device. I hope that you think about the possibility of guard animals instead of go with the traps.
mind i ask i don't know much about farm life, what does a donkey do to keep out predators?
@@SilentDarkAngel16 donkeys (and mules) are territorial and will chase predators away, they’ll even become aggressive and kick and stomp and bite if scare tactics don’t work. This applies to cougars, coyotes etc. Sounds weird because donkeys are cute and goofy, but it’s true.
@@KingKarlie Yeah until they perceive their harmless dog as a threat and start picking on it. They don't know the difference between good and bad dogs.
@@bargetherooster3079 you’re likely correct but I’m sure there are begillions of farms with donkeys and dogs and it’s all fine and dandy 🤷♀️
You dolt the traps don’t hurt at all😂 it literally just grabs the foot. Watch people put their hands into the traps
The biggest problem with traps is that you may not catch the actual culprit. Far better to make sure that your livestock is secure with good fencing and guard dogs are also a good idea. Sadly that bobcat and fox could have been totally innocent and have lost their lives for nothing
foxes killed all my chickens.....thats what they do
Plus they really didn’t want to dispatch the bobcat they wanted to send it to the conservation but yeah, I hate raccoons, rats, wild cats, AND foxes they hunt my chickens raccoons and cats are the most common down in Missouri where he and I live.
Predator proof your poultry with fully enclosed larger structures, boredom busters and multiple feeders /water would alleviate alot of the fighting among your birds and would give them a happier healthy and lifestyle
I’ve had bobcats many times, even in broad daylight come and take my birds. Never would I trap them in such a fashion. I modified what I DID, and how I secured my animals. The onus is on us to,keep our animals safe NOT kill every predator possible. This made me sad and disappointed. That beautiful bobcat and fox.
Agree. We do the same.
Agreed. It's up to the human to keep predators away from animals they keep, not kill wildlife because they outsmarted the human. I was also saddened by the loss of the wild animals; I was really hoping for a humane trap-and-release scenario. Disappointed about the painful snap-traps. Additionally, the area needs these predators to keep other nuisance critters at bay, like rabbit, snakes, gophers and the like; the overall health of their lands depends on a healthy wild ecosystem.
I was also very sad and disappointed by this episode 😢
@@k9thundra Humans the smartest animal in the world that's debatable we destroy everything we touch .
You know how dumb that is to let that happen to your animals. That is considered animal endangerment.
In France bobcats are extremely endangered. Last time I checked, there were only 7 left in the wild and not doing so good because shepherds were still killing them out of fear for their sheep. I couldn’t believe you killed that cat. Wildlife is one of the most beautiful gift of nature, we shouldn’t have the right to do whatever we want with it.
Well, there is a large, thriving population of bobcats all over the United States, especially in Missouri, which is where they are.
I know that, and it’s not even the same species if I’m not mistaken, but that’s why it felt so weird for me. I understand why they had to do it and I don’t think I would have done anything differently but it felt surreal for a moment
you haven't lived on a farm have you. A bob cat kill ur animal? it's dead. UR OWN DOG kills an animal? it's dead. If your on a farm you do what you have to do to keep ur animals and ur family safe form anything that may be harmful, that's why they have to put there animals in every night, that's why they have to get electric fences, thos animals are wild and wild animals will eat ur farm animals and if they do they need to be put down or re-homed and in this case the wild life people didnt feel the need to come out and re-home it so 🤷♂️🤷♂️, it's very simple!!
It's 2023...no reason to be self sufficient if you can't do it rationally. Which your not, so go the grocery store prick.
@@FlamFlim00 I am a animal lover, so these harmful things hurt me.
I am somebody who own chickens so i witness predators like this, but i never kill them.. i just let them go, they hunt for food and not for fun.
You may be thinking that i just let my chickens go die, but no i love them dearly, so if i spot a predator near my chickens, i would just capture them then release them no matter the species.
Dude. Sorry, but I just can't. I have had predators, including a pack of coyotes kill a herd of my goats. (They only ate the organs and left the rest to rot) But it makes no sense to me to kill animals that may not have been the culprit, away from the livestock yards in question.
In my opinion, those leg traps are cruel. You are luring predators/scavangers that aren't even in the pens that may be innocent and are guilty of nothing more than trying to scavenge a meal that is already dead.
Yeah, you probably shouldn’t have animals if you aren’t willing to protect them.
your obviously not a "Feral Famrgirl" if can't do some simple predator management to protect your live stock. P.S. foothold traps are not cruel in any way I've released countless amounts of animals from them and they do just fine
@@reductosmash2483 trust me the best way to deal with predators is to mange the population if you don't the population will get big enough that no matter what you do you won't be able to keep them away
@@whitehouseonthehill What a hypocrite. You shouldn't have animals or post them online if you can't handle people telling you what you're doing wrong. You're acting like a child in these comments buddy. Pathetic, you don't deserve to care for animals.
I totally agree with you. I am devastated as well.
This broke my heart. That poor fox suffered and the bobcat was scared. Please get a guard dog. We love Joey, but you need some more protection in order to save future lives
My poor dogs kill fox everytime, when fox dont run away
People say it's wrong to kill wild animals, it's the circle of life. It's no difference to killing cows, sheep etc,
@@dextersampson6450 what’s the difference they’re both animals, why should foxes and bob cats life be more important then sheep, chickens , etc . If you’re gonna have a certain energy for one animal have them for all of them
I'm assume you live in town or don't raise animals?
@@shemira8084 the difference is that we eat the sheep and chickens, they probably didn’t eat the fox or bobcat 😅
Y'all need more guardian live stock dogs. Set up a perimeter fence around the whole property.
The fence is a good idea, but how expensive would that be? And how effective? Coyotes are undeterred by slatted fences, and chain link fences take a lot of prep work.
Run electric along the fence…
Agreed. I said that on his video when they found the turkey and chicken had been taken.
@@sarahluchies1076 with a well-trained livestock guardian dog, the perimeter fence mostly isn't to keep predators out of the area, it's to keep the guardian dog from absolutely decimating them
@@sarahluchies1076 They should have invested in better fencing rather than an apiary? Unless they decide to put all their livestock in there
predator proofing and guardian dogs are so important. These animals are doing exactly what they're meant to do.
or a donkey or two
Agreed! In Norway are does Kind of traps banned
Exactly, this is how many animals are extinct. There should be other ways. Like keeping hunting dogs or having gun shots just to scare them away.
I love you guys and have followed you for years, but these traps are inhumane. Please buy an actual livestock guardian dog! Joey is a great herding dog but they aren’t guard dogs, ask any dog enthusiast and they’ll tell you herders, especially collies, aren’t meant to guard. It’s sad to see these animals suffer when it could’ve been prevented buy a dog. Again love you guys just need to speak up when something like this happens! (EDIT) Killing the animals isn’t the full problem, it’s what it will do to the ecosystem and the inhumane way they had to suffer. Predators are important for the balance of the ecosystem and killing them wont stop them from coming. The point of dog is that predators don’t hunt in another predators area they tend to stay away from each other. A dog is a predator so that will naturally keep other predators away. I just wanna make it extremely clear I understand your intent isn’t bad but unfortunately the outcome is and all anyone can ever do is learn from their mistakes!
How is it inhumane. both Canada and The US have strict and very regulated trapping, Heck there's even a division of law enforcement to for animal conservation. if traps where inhumane they wouldn't be legal simple as that. And why livestock dogs, i get that there effective and what not and i'm gonna be honest i actually have one but i would rather have the predator killed via trapping than the predator killed and my dog potentially injured or also killed. the ecosystem will not be damage from predators dieing
@@brennenmichel8855 there are strict laws that regulate and control over trapping to protect wildlife. They're not to protect people or livestock. They may have trapped and killed two animals that weren't involved in the killings of their livestock by baiting them, which is unethical and inhumane. I wouldn't consider dogs to be predators because they don't fit the niche of one. They're domesticated animals. Generally, there are particular livestock guardian breeds that do pursue predators, but most livestock guardian breeds stay and guard livestock. Studies have shown that livestock animals on farms are the most effective deterent for predators, even more than guns and fences. In my personal opinion, it is the farmer's responsibility to deter harmful wildlife interactions. They lost a rooster they weren't using for breeding, a female turkey that has no place to lay eggs in an all male poultry run, and a rare female duck that had potential for breeding purposes by a lake far from the farm. And in any case, the children are more likely to be attacked by their own farm animals than a wild one. I respect your disagreement but sadly nothing was solved in this video. The coyotes will be back, and even when those local coyotes are successfully trapped and killed, new ones will move in. Dogs will make it easier for you to train them. Their dog Joey is a herding dog, that doesn't herd. Her unused potential makes her not a good fit for the farm. Sadly, the cats serve more of a purpose than she does.
@@artistroad I think that a farmer should have all the means to protect there livestock including trapping.
@@TheEleonore18 I agree that unnecessary pain should be avoided. However, I don't believe that it's fair to make sweeping generalizations about the United States and its wildlife management practices. Different regions have different challenges, and it's important to find solutions that work in each specific context. studies have show that Trapping animals can help control populations, spread of diseases and damage to property. the only reason why it's inhumane is because you don't look at other people's point of view.
@brennen michel even if it means trapping and dispatching uninvolved animals? The camera trap caught only one coyote, and they ended up trapping and dispatching a fox and a bobcat. I mentioned the poultry killed because the farm is more for ornamental use than it is practical. They weren't being used for breeding purposes or meat production other than the duck. They aren't losing money from those losses. Livestock are replaceable. Wild animals aren't. Farmers don't have to use lethal means to protect their livestock. It's unsustainable and more work and more expensive than owning a livestock guardian dog.
That bobcat was so pretty. Rest in peace.
So I read through the comments and there were many suggestions to get a Livestock Guard Dog and that’s the way to go! They scare away the predators without killing them so everyone wins. If you trap or shoot the predators all you’re doing is making an opening for new ones to move in. It’s a never ending cycle. Joey is a good dog but she is not a livestock guard dog. I hope you get a LGD soon!
Scare away the predators without killing them. Yeah, provided they are fast enough to get away from the dog. I've seen vids and pictures of the remains of coyotes and foxes before that got caught by an LGD and trust me, the sight ain't pretty. Bloody mess would properly be the best way to describe it.
Livestock guardian dogs kill predators. You’re aware of that, right?
@@whitehouseonthehill They shouldn't have to if you're doing things the right way.
@@whitehouseonthehill LGD’s rarely get into physical alterations with predators. Their presence, sounds (barking) and smell do the most for deterring an attack. Especially if you have more than one.
@@totally_fancynoobex1001 I have a couple donkeys and haven’t seen a bobcat since!
Have you thought about adding some donkeys to your homestead? They're lethal when it comes to predators. The downside is that they can be pretty mean with people too...they are also known to bond with people rather profoundly.
It would be cool to see your family homestead add them. If there's one thing about you guys, you're incredibly observant and share EVERYTHING you learn when you try new tactics and animals.
dockys stay in there territory unlike guard dogs follow the animal they are guarding
Been here since 2019, and I know you guys have your animals safety in mind but trapping is not it. Please consider getting dogs or a donkey that will scare away predators. I know its a lot of work but it has to be better than killing animals who are only trying to survive.
Livestock guardian dogs kill as well. But they are another option, yes.
@@whitehouseonthehill Its extremely rare that LGDs fight. They are protectors, that scare things with barks and scent, not trained killers. As long as you take the time to train them properly they will scare things away, not kill them. I know you guys are capable of doing that, and I'm still looking forward to your content in the future.
I lost 7 birds in 1 week. So I went and got a Great Pyrenees pups. At 4 months old his bark was already very deep. I haven’t seen any evidence of one since
I'm a firm believer in using herd dogs to protect flocks. Last year when my dog passed away a bobcat and some coyotes got to my chickens that I let free range on 40 acres, so I borrowed some of my neighbors dogs to run the property while my new Mcnab pup grow up a bit. Now shes running the property and the Bobcats and coyotes stay away. It's better than trapping and dispatching. The only thing my chickens have to worry about now or Eagles and Hawks but that's what my roosters are for.
That’s a great testament to them, nice job
If you have one coyote, you have many. They multiply like crazy. We have them here in South Central IL., as well also Bobcats. We have goats and got two mini donkeys. No problems with coyotes or cats any longer. The donkeys will kill them if they get near any of our animals. They know that donkeys will kill them. Our neighbor a mile away had problems with coyotes getting their chickens and since we have gotten the donkeys, they have not had any trouble with coyotes either. We have had our donkeys for 6 years. We had a black lab when we got them and she knew instinctively to not go in the pasture from the day we brought them home. We love our mini donkeys.
I've been following your family's story for a few years now. I gotta say this one's been one of the heaviest on my heart. I fully understand why the fox and the bobcat were put to bed, but it still makes me so very sad and the traps used were too cruel. There are better options. You may also want to invest in a livestock guardian dog for your flocks. Tough, hearty dogs that can stand up to and scare off predators.
And if the predators manage to kill the guard dogs? They still at fault for not having the most advanced and humane equipment, yeah?
It’s difficult situation anyway you look at it. Predators are a threat, even if you have a guard dog, you also risk the life and well being of the guard dog.
@@anyastasia-db5kt They are literally following the recommendations of the local wildlife agency.
@@anyastasia-db5kt also, what a shitty thing to say when they are literally trying to protect their livestock and flocks from being wiped out.
@@skeelatheskink8724 they also kill some of their livestock themselves, so they're doing more harm then good killing both the fox or bobcat then eating the chicken or whichever of their animals they eat.
I know it's a lot of work, and it costs a lot, but you should get more livestock Guardian dogs. Joey isn't going to scare away large predators.
@ThatOneSam also training an efficient herding dog is harder than training a guard dog. Yes the latter isn't easy either (creating a symbiosis between the dog and the birds etc), but herding dogs need to respond to certain types of commands to guide the animals a certain way, to make them all go through the same path etc. Guardian dogs don't need that kind of training, they're are needed to be taught how to respect the birds and protect their territory. Both those roles are way easier to teach a dog because certain breeds have "protect the land" code basically written in their DNA
The fox and bobcat looked so sad in the trap. They are animals too and need to survive. When we had foxes kill our chickens we didn’t kill the foxes, but changed our fences and coop so they got locked in at night. And sometimes you still loose an animal. That is the consequence of living with predators. But we never killed them. I know its ‘normal’ in farming to do so, but its really not necessary. Just make it harder for them to get your animals than a wild rabbit and they will leave them alone.
That’s your choice. I wouldn’t tell anyone how to take care of their animals.
I hope you consider getting GLDs....as I am heartbroken to see you have to see you kill the beautiful fox and the gorgeous bobcat......I don't even want to see you kill the coyote. :( Again....hoping you will find a different method to control the predators rather than kill them.
@@Nateishungry Holding all life precious doesn't mean I need to "grow up." It just means, Snarky wildnategamer, that I don't like to see any lives taken.Those might not have even been the guilty predators.... I think it is pretty "grown up" to suggest that I hope another protection method can be found.
@@Nateishungry To whom? That doesn't make sense....if a message had been delivered...then that bobcat wouldn't have come on the property.
Predators will not disappear because you live in a remote area, even if you trap wild predators every day, you will still get caught, so it's sad.
It’s a daily challenge, we have a coyote, fox and raccoons that approach the farm animals nearly everyday. It’s a battle we’re working through.
Dont kill preadators just because its trying to feed itself and survive i feel so sad for the fox
Poor animals. Necesitas poner una buena cerca. Los animales salvajes sólo hacen lo que sus instintos les dictan.
He visto canales de UA-cam de otros granjeros que tienen muy buenas “jaulas” para sus aves de corral.
Así evitarás asesinar animales silvestres
Dispatching is just not the answer. Not because I'm soft hearted, but because predators are a naturalnlart of this world. You need something to keep them away not kill them. God bless!
Predator management is important and needed, especially once they have a taste for blood from your flock, and sadly this is the most humane way to do it
@@aykernsappalachia8263 THANK YOU SO MUCH.
You have to do what you have to do, it's you or them.
Once a wild animal finds an easy meal, they keep returning. Most of those animals, although intelligent, are also opportunistic. They will not just stop showing up. Sometimes you have to make hard decisions.
Not a farmer and while I’m not against killing because it is needed to some degree.. i don’t see how this will help keep the predators away. They will keep coming back and you will have to keep resetting traps and killing… it’s not like an infestation inside your home where once you clear it you’re good.. this is the wild- there’ll always be more.
i also agree with a livestock guardian. Creates a barrier/presence that will keep predators at bay. Or at the very least, get better housing for the livestock.
It has helped. We haven't seen another predator in a couple weeks. We were getting them every night for awhile.
Two Anatolian shepherds or two Great Pyrenees or two donkeys will deter the predators. Removing the predators from your farm just opens up the territory for other predators to move in. Trying to relocate predators doesn't work because you'll most likely be dropping them off in the territory that's already occupied.
Secure housing and fencing, solar motion lights, water scarecrows, and livestock guarding animals will hopefully reduce the predation.
Livestock guardian dogs kill predators, you’re aware of that, right? Also, predator control is a real thing. Yes, there will be more. But we can keep the numbers down on our property.
I almost cried when the fox was there😢
You guys really need a livestock guardian dog. There's a really incredible Anatolian shepherd breeder here in michigan, Mythos Anatolians, that I would recommend.
An Anatolian Shepherd? A giant breed that has both the strength and temper to go toe to toe with lions. Around little children?
Well ain't that a recepy for disaster? All that needs to happen, is for the dog in his "teenage years" (physically nearly fully grown, but mentally still a pup around the age of 1-2 years) to play to rough with one of the toddlers. Jake and Becky are going to have the authorities breathe down their necks faster then they can say coyote.
@@highlyopinionated5611 yes, a dog that when trained appropriately is a fearsome livestock guardian but can also be a perfectly amicable family companion. It's about the dog having appropriate temperament and people being conscious of the dog. I know many farms who have livestock guardians and small children.
You could try to use different types of urine crystals to scare predators away. The scent will keep them away from your animals if you spread it around the perimeter of your property. That way you both wouldn't need to dispatch animals or need to use those foothold traps. Wolf urine scares bobcats and coyotes away
Now we’ve got to buy and pour urine around our property now?
@@whitehouseonthehill 😂😂 save the predators!!! (Sarcasm)
@@whitehouseonthehill really? Get a good livestock guardian dog and a predator proof fence, A Great pyrenees would guard your animals and scare away predators, Especially Coyotes and foxes, And Bobcats are especially scared of dogs, We have a Great Pyrenees and we don’t have to worry about predators anymore.
@@whitehouseonthehill It's just another level of protection that would help keep predators off your property, and its something you could look into in the future. We used it to scare off smaller animals like raccoons and opossums down here in Florida so I know it does work and the smell wasn't that strong to us. I know everyone is suggesting a livestock guardian dog and that's a long term solution for the future that you could think about as well. I know predators are a really big issue and it's frustrating that everyone reacts so strongly to when you need to take care of them for your animals safety, so I don't want to make it seem like it's the only option or even the best but it could be helpful even just to the addition to traps if you feel it's necessary. You should of course do whatever you feel is necessary to protect your animals!
Useless...urine won't even effectively keep squirrels and rabbits off tulip shoots.
Snow would short out the fence. I have the same fence. I try not to kill any predators, I live trap everything and drop them many many miles away. I have not caught a Bobcat, but I could not kill one.
What would you have done if you caught a bobcat? Think about it. It wasn't our plan, we were trying to catch the coyote.
@@whitehouseonthehill I would throw a heavy blanket over him, like the ones Harbor Freight sells and get the leg trap off his foot hopefully. Then put a cage over him in an attempt to be able to transport him. I use live traps, I have 400 laying hens in a very rural area, we have a local Bobcat, it is huge, thankfully he or she has never attacked our chickens. Don't miss understand, I understand what and why did what you did, I just prefer to try a different rout. I have transported more racoons and possums than I can remember. Owls were a problem until I got a couple big mean roosters, the owl has never been back. The Primer Electric fence has kept Fox, Coyote, and Bobcat out, even the coon and possum have learned the fence is nothing they want to try to cross. There was a learning curve of a good six months, but now even my live traps remain empty. I am guessing spring time will bring babies needing to be fed and the problem might return, so the live traps are set and baited. And I too would shoot a coyote, but Bobcats are very rare around my parts, Middle of Michigan's lower peninsula, and I just wouldn't feel right killing one.
@@whitehouseonthehill could you not have used a humane trap? You could have released the cat if it was not the intended animal.
I think you need a guard dog this time around
Nooo, the fox tho.. my heart
@whitehouseonthehill i wasn't gonna comment as a lot of people hit the nail on the head to what i wanted to say but i need to im all for protecting your family and your livestock BUT only when what YOU as the farmer have done what you needed to to protect your live stock first that "Fencing" for the birds is NOT gonna keep predator's out you need to finish building your Avery ASAP make sure its the right wire that will actually keep predator's out not that mesh stuff, and get a livestock guardian dog also, also to catch the coyote use live traps get rid of the foot traps please those things are wrong and should never of been invented along with snares, those are cruil ways to trap animals if you had used a have a heart those 2 beautiful animals would not of needed to die and if you as the farmer had your livestock in the correct enclosures in the first place there would of been no need for having to trap in the first place, humans forget WE moved in on THEIR homes, WE took THEIR territory's away, WE need to learn to live with THEM and do the right thing is livestock and animal owners to build what will protect our animals from predator's so that innocent animal lives don't need to be murdered to protect what we failed to protect for doing what they need to do to survive if their is now way for them to get to the animals then they will give up and move on
How do you know that’s not what they are already trying to do? Of course they want to finish their Avery as soon as a possible. But big projects are reliant on being able to get all the supplies you need as well as other factors. Maybe don’t judge too much from the outside looking in. Most farmers try the best they can do in the circumstances they are in, but it comes down to it, their flock and family comes first. As soon as they can finish the Avery things will be better.
It’s there land, build better defence don’t kill the predators
I dont usualy comment on videos but this one coming from you really upset me. I have been following you since the birth of Bamboo. You have to re-thing the whole position of your farm and what you are teaching your children. Respect of wild life or the usual mentality that wild animals are the enemies of farmers. I am sorry to say that but here in rural France such video would have you banned from social médias with about a dozen law suit from wild live protection association. I understand that you want to protect your animals and that you were upset but your reaction was disproportionate. When a fox or a weasel killed my birds recently I blame myself for not having protected them properly. I didnt blame the fox that hunted easy prey. I live on his land and not him on my. Good luck in finding the adequate solution. And I am sure you will !
I think you should invest in tranquilizer darts for animals cause i really think there has to be a better way of dealing with predators this was heart breaking 😢
😂😂😂😂
Tranquilizer darts??? 😅😅😅
I don't understand why you can't have them relocated ? Why kill them ? There are programs that will take them in and save them
Instead of killing animals build better protection for your animals and that way the predators won't get in and you don't have to kill them .
Hello, long time subscriber.
This seemed like a challenging position to be in. I imagine you feel a strong responsibility to protect your flock, which is good. But I also struggle with the wild life needing to be dealt with. I’m wondering if there is another way you all could win in this situation in the future?
Anyways, I’m not here to judge because I’m not in your position, just sharing honestly about how it made me feel. I’m sure this situation is very unpleasant all ways around for your family to be forced to deal with. Obviously your farm and family come first. ❤❤❤ Love your family and hope that there may be a better solution to the problem someday.
I appreciate you looking at it from all angles.
@@whitehouseonthehill Of course. :) I use to raise ducks in town, and raccoons would sometimes get to my babies . 😭 It’s definitely not easy, and it looks like your family is trying to build an incredible Avery for your birds.
Anyways, I’m amazed by your channels transparency on the issues of homesteading. Especially when you become subjected to so much criticism from people who aren’t in your shoes, or maybe they are farmers but they assume as if you’re not already doing what you can with the circumstances you’re in.
Anyways, you’re a charming family and best of luck to you and your farm.
Great Pyrenees are the best dogs for this. I have two and they tag team to keep the predators away. Saw them run off a raccoon in less than 3 minutes of it showing up on our cameras.
That's what I said too. I hope they take this good advice and aren't offended instead...
I live in Springfield IL in the city and a mountain lion showed up about a 1/2 mile down the road it has a device on it and travelled from Nebraska another one was killed on the highway . The one that was down the street is suburbs a school and he was just laying taking everything in. DNR tranquilized him and he will live at a santuary.
Put 4 ft Boundary wall with attach solid iron fence with electricity around your property with cctv camere covering your entire property
Someday… we’re working on the fencing, it will take years and CCTV will take a lot of time to run through the ground all over.
I would suggest setting up motion activated lights or floodlights. A predator would be startled by a bright light when in complete darkness
I am surprised that US department of conservation do not assist in relocation of trapped wild animals, in Malaysia at least attempts are usually made except for wild boars(it's eaten).
Yeah they are fucking corrupt in America
they do assist when they have the capacity to do so, sadly, they have very little funding when dealing with these wild cats. so they have to turn down trapped or injured animals almost daily to help the ones they already have.
You could catch the fox alive with the two-section metal cage. The first section is the live chicken. The second section is the trigger system that closes the cage.
Please don't set any more traps. You've moved into their area and are providing them with easy meals - there is no fault in those animals taking your birds. As long as your birds are lacking in proper protection, assorted predators will keep coming around for the easy meals.
There is no fault in predators taking our birds? So we should just raise our animals for predators to eat?
@@whitehouseonthehill That's not what I said. As owners of animals, it is our duty to protect them, and there are many ways that can be done. I just don't feel that setting out a baited leg-hold trap that results in shooting the animal is the best way to go about it. You can continue to follow that route, collect a considerable pile of dead predators, but there will still always be more around to fill in the void. Everybody loves chickens. Assorted birds of prey, bobcats, foxes, coyotes, opossums, raccoons, weasels, minks, dogs...you can't kill them all off to make it safe for your chickens to be able to roam free. But you can build them a secure run, with hardware cloth and lumber. If you feel that that's being mean to your birds, then you have to suck up the losses to other animals doing what they are born to do - seek out easy prey. And if you find that going out each night to count heads is too much work for you - not your child - then maybe you should rethink the number of birds you have.
Believe it or not, I"m really not trying to be an a**hole here. I"ve lost birds to predators and it sucks every single time. But I try to learn from each instance where the gaps are and then fix them. Setting out bait for a trap, regardless of your plans once a predator finds that bait, is just going to attract more predators - it will never end. Keeping your birds securely out of a predators reach will eventually lead to the predator moving on to find food elsewhere.
Fences and facilities take time and lots of money. I can only work on a few projects at a time. With the predator pressure we were under, we had to act quickly. It took us a year to put up our front fence that went over a quarter mile. Yes, this is not our permanent solution to the problem.
@@whitehouseonthehill it's what predators do. Hunt to survive.
Obviously. But not on our farm. If we don’t fight back, they’ll kill every last one of our animals.
excuse me??? did you kill the fox?! been watching you guys for years but this made me very sad you killed that poor little fox!
edited: The bobcat too?! im sorry i really respected you guys, you came to live on a farm in the habitat of these animals. ofcourse they are going to hunt they have to keep themselves alive and eat. its part of having a farm and you killing all these animals just because they killed a bird. you thinking you looked the frox and the bobcat in the eye and shot them makes me really sad...
This one was tough for me...
If you let peoples dogs come over to pee it really helped. I also collect dog and cat hair and hair from the hair dressers and barbers and alot of predator especially coyotes who respect other breeding couples territory can confuse and help them stay back if applied after Harvey storms or cleanings. A radio with batteries can be good for the birds and makes predators not know if humans or dogs inside. Motion detection with a dog park sound helps too.
I had a bad predator problem here in Mississippi my acrea of land is surrounded by fields , and while I don't know if this would help yall it sure helped me ! I trained a pitbull to protect me and my animals and he does an amazing job he has killed opossums and skunks , and challenged an entire huge pack of coyotes and kept my sheep safe, he has chased off people trying to steal my animals, and has even fought off hawks ! I also have a free range turkey and peacock they have saved my little flock serval times ! I've watched the turkey get my birds to safety while the peacock fought a bald eagle and I couldn't believe my eyes when I seen it! I do know not all pitbulls are good with animals but some are I have a puppy in training now and my male pitbull who is trained is actually helping with her training !
Really bad!!!! Instead of killing the real culprit kioti you'll killed the poor Bob cat and the fox who was not even seen in the footage.😢😢
Well they came on our farm. So how long do we wait before we catch them killing that we get to protect our farm from them? It doesn't work that way. If they come on our farm, they don't get a warning.
Don't do this to wild animal u can use another type of trap to capture that's so painful for wild cat
You need to install a double electric fence
You will need a
Tranquilizer Dart
to get it Asleep
then transport it
while it not awake
Taxidermy ?
All wild animals are hungry when coming out of winter months. Not a good choice of trap for sure. That was unnecessary when you should have the proper dogs to help with them🇨🇦
So have big dogs to kill them instead of us?
No, the dogs usually run them off.
@@shelleyennis4489 Usually? That's good enough for you that they would kill the predators some of the time? I understand the purpose of a guardian dog, but everyone is naive to think that they won't kill the predators just as we had to do.
Yes, I understand math. No, you don't understand predator problems and how livestock guardian dogs work apparently. Now you're saying that I need to give the predators a sporting chance and give them a head's start before dealing with them? The bottom line, we stopped the predator issue, if a dog does the same thing, great. We needed to stop the predator pressure and we did, that was the goal. It's not fun or pretty. But we are going to protect our animals with what we have.
Time to stop watching this channel. I understand that they want to deal with these issues in their own way. But I have much better examples in other channels who at least try to leave their ego and emotions out of the decision making. I can see in their replies to the comments that they're frustrated and resort to ridiculing other's advice instead of considering it, even when it comes from fellow homesteaders. Like I said, they're free to do what they will. But both in attitude and action, I have seen much better examples elsewhere. Good luck and goodbye 👋
All this traps is illegal in my country..
Wow, such beautiful animals (Red Fox and Bobcat) It's sad to see an animal "dispatched" because he was lured in with food and might not have been the animal that attacked your farm animals. I definitely understand that once it's trapped, there really is no other way to get it out of the trap safely so it had to be "dispatched" but it's still sad. Thanks for showing the other side of farming.
What does one do with a red fox after dispatching it? Do you keep the meat? What about the pelt?
Coyotes, bobcats, fox and other predators didn't ask to be born and are just trying to survive like all creatures, including ourselves.
I think getting some Livestock Guardian Dogs would be the most humane way to deal with the loss of your property. Mostly, those predators would just avoid your land.
We live in Connecticut and we have them all over. They come out at night and keep their distance but they will eat your pets. More aggressive then a fox. It's a shame they didn't come out to move it to a wooded area.
Bro you could have shot the bobcat and fox with a tranq and then relocated them. That’s not cool killing such beautiful animals especially since you baited them.
Have you tried a perimeter, three strand, electric fence? I don't know how far your electric goes but a hot, strong, you see lights if you touch it fence! Works really well with deer and predators.
Predators can go right under it. Put it too low to the ground and then we'll be trimming the grass near it every couple days. Not a simple fix.
Poor bobcat
@@Nateishungry bruh
@@Nateishungry u can't even afford bobcat fur 😂kid
@@Nateishungry these people don't understand anything when it comes to controlling predators
@@Nateishungry ur both literally childs who are sick in the head
(edit: you post fortnite videos 😂😂)
@@bargetherooster3079 there was no evidence to suggest the bobcat was an issue. He was in the edge of the property. Same with the fox.
Please get instant kill traps, it is inhumane to leave them in these leg traps alive for such extended periods. No animal deserves that death when other options are possible.
What traps instantly kill?
Donkeys are great protectors
Yeah they should totally get a donkey because donkey are (to my knowledge) incredibly good at that kind of protecting
Yeah until it picks on and severely injuries Joey because they don't know the difference between a good and a bad dog.
@Barge the Rooster yes. I heard donkeys aren't fond of dogs. I love my pups too.
A fox with a broken leg and a soul full of fear and pain. Stick your own hand in that trap and let it go off. Get some livestock guardian dogs.
To kill the fox for us?
I never expected this from you totally disappointed 😞 heart breaking video 💔
Totally agree
And his attitude in these comments. Disgusting.
Its either preditors or them. That’s life
This is why farm dogs are so important if you have a farm. We don’t need to take a wild animals life and they are doing just what we are doing which is survival. I get it that it sucks when an animal gets killed by a wild predator but this is also what happens when we take away wild predators food as well.
the fact they are talking NEAR a PREDATOR with their KIDS makes me very worry because they trust that trap a little too much😭😭😭😓😓😓😓😓😓😓😓😓😓😓
I've heard donkeys are great for keeping predators away!
There not. Yote killed 20 of my ducks w 2 donkeys in with them
@@SarahsPets2004 🙀
Heart breaking in so many ways. I am so sorry you had to go through this. The worst thing about the traps is that they were meant for coyotes but got other animals instead.
As if it would be any less heart breaking if you saw a coyote in the trap in these videos? You never know whats going to come up to your traps.
Caught two predators, same thing. Successful trapping
I really have no way to rule out either the fox or the bobcat regarding those killed birds. I don't know why somebody can be sure.
@@Aethuviel It's not a bi catch, it's predators on his land. Both capable of killing his livestock and would with any opportunity. They're on his land for a reason.
As someone who shoots foxes, you can tell come lambing season if they're not thinned out and breed out of control, they will kill way more lambs. When there's a lot of predators in an area it means less prey, that makes them hungry and brave to go into farms and kill livestock.
I love trapping, and throughly enjoy trapping and killing feral cats, no one can stop me
Maybe a malamute or husky will do your job as it will easily live in that cold place and are good to keep those smaller predators away
I don’t think this is a solutuion to the problem. Other predators are not warned or anything and won’t stay away. Please get some guardian docks or something like that to keep the predators away instead of killing them.
One thing about trapping/ killing wildlife is that new animals will come and replace the territory. when you have livestock guardians dogs they teach the native wildlife to stay away from your farm or they will risk a fight that could leave them injured and no longer able to hunt. this is called non lethal predator control. i love your videos and would love to see a LGD on this channel. Please do the proper research and consider.
Livestock guardian dogs are lethal. Have you done research?
@@whitehouseonthehill I actually have 4 years of experience with Livestock Guardians. I own 2 Anatolian Shepherds. Due to the nature of my fencing and my guardian dogs we haven’t seen a predator on any of our pasture cameras. And we still haven’t lost a single head of livestock due to the dogs or predators. I’ve also never found evidence of my dogs killing or even having to fight with predators. barking is almost always enough. This is our experience. Yes livestock guardians can kill, and yes they aren’t for every farm. but when managed properly they can work wonders for a property. I hope you all find a solution that best fits your needs!
The solution is super easy, get a pair of great Pyrenees. Almost every farmer has them, they love to work and are great family members as well! They grow large so it's highly unlikely for them to back down from any predator
This way you don't have to worry about death, traps, phone calls, etc.
@Sabrina lafleur the problem with aussie is that they seeked training at an old age. Any breed becomes difficult to handle if not trained at a younger age. I have done that mistake with my shepherd and I see the difference over my new shepherd I recently got that was trained from a foster parent.
Why is that super easy? Livestock guardian dogs kill predators as well. So they can do the job so we don’t have to?
This is BATING!!! It's one thing to put traps around your livestock, but you hung a bird over a trap. This is illegal in my state, no matter whether it is on your property or not. Get a proper livestock guardian dog, not a pet dog!! We had one who kept everything away. Even seen him fight a coyote.
Hi. I'm from Minnesota. I had the same problem.
I got a German shepherd. So no more fox or coyote.
This happened to me a month ago too .A mountain lion came and killed all my chickens and my 2 dogs
I'm sorry to hear that.
Oh wow! 😢
And what would you have done when an owl, or an eagle eats your poultry? Dispatch them as well? 😡🤬
That would have been so scary. I appreciate the fact that this wasn't an easy thing for you to do. My mind would have also been racing with thoughts about my kids out after dark taking care of the evening chores or any of you for that matter. Not only have you protected your animals you've also protected yourselves.
When you got the Australian Shepard, I though that was not the best dog for this situation. They are herders, not guardians. Really need a LGD, so many different breeds of those that would be better suited. For coyotes, you may want to get a donkey to wander the property.
She has helped, she lets us know when a coyote was near the house a few weeks ago. That's right before we started having all of the coyote issues and before the turkey/rooster attack. No she won't go out and fight them at night but she makes us aware if she sees something.
Pack of LSGD will solve this problem. Have homesteading friends in rural northern WI had same issue. Got the pack of LSGD (3) solved the problem and had no issue since on their 40 acres. They have Great Pyrenees. Good dogs.
No issues because they take care of the predators instead of people having to. But yes, problem would also be taken care of that way as well.
@White House on the Hill Yes, less work for the people and dogs enjoy the job and lifestyle 😀 Win Win for all parties. Thanks for replying I love your channel ❤️ Wish you guys the best of luck !
I know that none of you wanted to kill any predators at all but, as a farmstead owner, you should also have the responsability to protect the wildlife around you, because, as you know, they were there way before your arrival. Yes, it sucks that they killed some of your flock, but then you should also see that they do that because they had nothing to eat. That said, there are plenty of ways to protect your flock: fencing, guardian dogs, better shelters, etc, and I do understand that you guys want to do that but can't right now, either because it is expensive or because guardian dogs would present a risk right now because you have small children, but that doesn't give you the right to shoot everything that kills your flock, because as I said, you had to protect your flock, not to kill everything that kills your flock jut because they were trying to survive
What we did thats done very well but expensive, we used 7 ft tall grid fencing and install it 1 ft in the ground, I was planning on covering the top of the grazing area with netting but we haven’t had a problem yet. There’s easily 5-8 fox in the area and coyotes none have successfully got a chicken yet. Only downside is it’s not portable like your set up.
Yep… we’ll have a fortress someday. That’s what we’re doing for the aviary.
What if that was your dog or barn cats that got jaw traps
That’s why we put it far enough away so they wouldn’t wander into it. Coyotes were hunting our cats a few weeks ago… why shouldn’t we be able to protect them?
We've had something digging into our duck run and stealing the eggs that we've not collected. The duck hut is a steel fortress, so I'm not worried when they are put to bed for the night, but they had not been put to bed yet this evening when I brought the dog out for a wee. I was shining the flashlight down the back slope of the yard, it goes to a small ravine, and a fox pops its head up and then runs off. I think we were equally surprised to see one another. The motion lights went on and I've just spent the last half hour watching this returned fox digging its way into the run! I can't do too much about it right now. The fox is bigger than my dog and we live in a residential neighborhood. We'll just have to fix and fortify the hole in the morning.
Sorry to hear that
@@whitehouseonthehill Wouldn't you know that fox was sunning itself on our deck the next morning! I haven't seen it since, but I know it will keep on trying though.
Hate that you killed that fox and bobcat. Probably didn't even kill you birds. It was your own fault and laziness that your animals died and you are punishing those other animals for it. Just protect the area better and get a proper guard dog. Disgusting behavior.
Imagine if Joey had gotten stuck in that snap trap! Please don't use these anymore, they are inhumane and awful. Please, please instead invest in a capture cage (one that'll fit a larger animal, not just the small possum/racoon) and opt to relocate the animals instead.
i don't think the pro abortion dad is going to agree with that unfortunately
I agree with someof the comments, get a gaudian live stock animal. Llama, donkey, dog. With enough the animals wouldnt even bother. Yes, its sad that the animals had to die. But theyre hunting animals that couldnt even attempt an escape or fair fight.
They took our animals, was that fair?
When he was saying dispatch … is that mean he killed them?
I seriously think you should be a better person and safely trap them and relocate them or get something to scare them. You moved to their home and took it over. They have every right to be there, just the same as you. What sucks is that you guys messed up and didn't properly secure your animals, then blame it on the other animals that live naturally on the land. So you should be mad at yourselves, but instead you decide to kill such beautiful animals that are very few. I had a coyote kill my cat cause I didn't bring them in, and I had a sense of reality it was my fault. I didn't go around killing them. The hard realities of ranching don't make me laugh, how bout the cruel and ignorance of an uneducated rancher. You should post another video of what you have learned and how you could be a better rancher without being destructive to the wildlife around you!
Absolutely right. It is their fault, they have invested too little time and money in the protection of their animals. Such ignorant amateurs.
Don’t like why you took that bobcats life, just get some big dogs, they will scare these kind of animals and protect yours
I hate you you could have caught it with a different trap and really located😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Biologically, shooting coyotes just increases their population size because the females actually have more babies when population densities decrease in their area. Dealing with predators is tough.
we have a huge coyote problem in Florida because of that
Sounds like propaganda that a coyote started to keep their population numbers up 😂
@@whitehouseonthehill this isn’t funny. get a life, PLEASE.
Actually I learned about that in Yellowstone national park, it's been pretty well studied that coyotes do that. Pretty interesting way to solve a problem! Kinda like how rabbit females will have less babies when their population gets too big.
RIP LOVELY ANIMALS❤
It’s devastating to see animals lives being taken away, it is a predators nature to prey. I think this could have been handled differently, maybe relocate the animal. Get guardian dogs, or put up a better system to scare off predators. Motion sensing lights or any other kind of technology. Talking from experience of owning a Farm in a foreign country where predators are much bigger!!! I still like your content just not the way this was handled.
Livestock guardian dogs kill as well. But yes, we are doing what we have to do to relive the predator pressure we’ve been having.