At least people kept a distance. I've seen similar (but unstaged videos) and people are like 10 feet from the tracks, like there's no chance of flying debris or something.
Also, loaded trains tend not to stop fast, and speed means a great deal as to stopping distance. It will take a train over two times the distance to stop from 60MPH vs. 40MPH, and the laws of physics being what they are, a short train with 3 lightweight passenger cars WILL stop from 40MPH in about a block or two (the distance the train in our video above was in line with this). It's simple physics.
Length of F40PH = 56.2'. Time to clear fixed point on earth (this case, left warning light), approx 1 second. 56.2x60 (one minute) = 3,372 feet (the distance the train will roll at impact velocity). 3,372 x 60 minutes = 202,320 feet in one hour at its impact velocity. 202,320 divided by 5,280 (feet in one mile) 38.318 = miles per hour at impact point. Again, simple physics. Now you said you work around this stuff every day?
It is clearly doing 40MPH. One locomotive with three light passenger cars that have large brakes - train will stop fast. There's not a lot of weight behind it.
nah, the crew was most likely in the cab. The car does minimal damage to the locomotives and the crew is sitting roughly 10 feet above the ground so their not in harms way. We hit a vehicle (not staged) at roughly 50mph and we were fine, the car was fucked but the crew and locomotive were fine.
The local Boy Scout Troop built and installed two 'crash test dummies' in the front seat; the County EMS service extracted what was left after the impact (one 'dummy' was ejected); the local police department handled crowd control and parking. A superior community effort. Zero damage to the train.
That was really cool but the sad part is that it seems as though no one got the point behind that. Everyone was laughing and saying "oh cool!" and they completely missed the point behind it: Don't mess with the train, it ALWAYS wins.
it runs on old Tennessee Central lines which is now Nashville&Eastern they use this loco as well they have 4 and they r now puttin in an additional route im not sure where as of yet
Pretty cool though, nice to see it on youtube.. im tired of idiots stopping over the tracks at a red light, people need to take this subject seriously.
Perhaps "larger brakes" was a misnomer. True, passenger air systems operate at higher PSI, but the passenger cars also have disc brakes and not just pads rubbing against the wheels as on locomotives and freight cars. No, I am not a 'foamer'.
What would be the point of having a different test train? This is to show people the fact that the 6 car Amtrak daily you see everyday will knock your car/suv/van off the tracks without even shuddering.
The level of intelligence shown by the crowd here is indicative of peoples complete arrogance towards level crossing safety. Laughing while saying "oh my god! oh my god!". Honestly....
i think the spectators didn't see the point of the demonstration. If you get hit by a train, you are dead. That is the point of it all but everyone laughs!
From what I understand, this was a staged crash, coordinated with the police department and the railroad, to educate locals on what would happen if a train hit their car on the tracks. Apparently there was a problem of people stopping on the tracks, and not behind the white stripe.
A train hitting a car is like a bug hitting your windshield. Almost anything a train locomotive hits bounces off it with almost no damage to the engine. Your talking about tons and tons of steel on the largest man made moving objects. A tie racing a train to a grade crossing-- You lose period!
@bigbadbronco86 I understand your point. I'm a driver destructor. 99% of people are smart enough. They understand the obvious tremendous unyielding impact forces. (No doubt why many were here to watch it!) I have shown photos and videos of train/vehicle collisions. Similar to when drivers get halted in an intersection, the signal changes and they are blocking cross-traffic. Except that if the cross-traffic is a train, it cannot stop in time. Many real photos exist. No need for this.
Lots of laughing, yes, but very effective. Most of the audience was there under Court Order, in lieu of driving school, and 99% of those were 16-18 year olds. The City Judge requested and demonstration and sentenced as may juvenile offenders as possible to attend. Plenty of nervous laughter, I admit, but since that time, not a single car vs. train incident in the town limits. The local wrecker service provided the target car; the Nashville & Eastern RR provided the train.
Not funny when your the conductor. I hit a pickup with a trailer hanging over the crossing. Imbedded the trail into the side of the pickup. The guy was out of the pickup. Why didnt' he push the damn thing off the crossing? Thats all I asked him when we finally stopped.
He probably was. If it was real it would've been a hell of alot worse than this. Trains can't stop on a dime. It takes a train its entire length to stop.
Just to set you straight, I have a background in railroads and not from a foamer standpoint. Go back to school and properly learn how to interact with others who may know more than you think they do.
I bet the railroad would rather spend the money to teach those people not to stop on the tracks or go around the gates then have to spend the money of repairing the locomotive more then one time cause people where not educated about what could happen. what is the greater good spend money trying to save lives, or spending money over and over cause some idiot was killed getting hit by a train in his car?
that sucked do it witha FULL INTERMODAL TRAIN OF 105 CARS AND 210 containers full of cargo with 4 Locomotives then see how long it takes to stop and u will that car GO AIRBORN
I estimate repair cost for the loco at less tham 5k. Not much at all. Not sure why the repair itself would be 'dangerous'. And of course broken down before or after the staged accident, the scrap steel in the auto weighs the same. No loss there. This test was undoubtedly done with the railroad's approval who in turn wrote it off on taxes. So....I'm pretty sure the railroad came out fine. Not sure what "dibre" is, but I sure hope I'm not struck by any the next time I'm running.
well it can be funny from certain points of view as for some strange reason humans happen to think the destruction of thing like this is funny even to think that if bodies were inside how terrible a trajedy it is. I would be laughing in aw though because that is just so cool!
Wow. I'd hate to be on the business end of that thing.lol The car went about, what 65-70 feet? Of course this is going to be funny. No one was gonna get hurt doing this. At least I certainly hope not. Who doesn't like seeing a car get smashed to bits?
@bigbadbronco86 No, 86. People know what will happen if they are hit by a train. The real issue, completely missed here, is vehicles ahead stopping and the driver forced to stop on the track. Often s/he can't back up because of vehicles behind. Then there are morons, often Darwin Award winners, who try to beat trains. The only way to stop these idiots is with four-quadrant gates. (They are not worth it.) This "reinactment is a total waste.
@robertgift i think youre missing my point though, regardless of how smart you or i would like to think that we are, the simple fact of the matter is that for every genius like us there are fifteen more darwin award winners running around. also as much as you dont want to admit it, one of these winners actually benefitted from this video even though to the rest of normal society its common sense. its a worn out saying but common sense isnt so common after all
So, you work with them every day. Great! Now, go look closely again at the distance the train stopped in. 200 feet = 2.6 times the length of the locomotive. Come on, dude, look at the video again, that train didn't stop in "a couple hundred feet", it stopped in two blocks. You're making yourself look like a fool with your "foamer this and foamer that" content up there on your high horse.
Kinetic energy is always sooo fascinating. Unless you're personally involved, then it's devastating.
Trampoline: 😡
I'm sure the railroad agreed to do the demonstration (they usually do). A traffic school just doesn't go and put junk cars on the tracks for fun.
Depends on the tonnage and length of the consist. This train only had three coaches, imagine it was a train full of cars.
I see they found a use for CNRY 381 since it moved down there. I hope they had the HEP Cables in a safe and secure spot.
At least people kept a distance. I've seen similar (but unstaged videos) and people are like 10 feet from the tracks, like there's no chance of flying debris or something.
Also, loaded trains tend not to stop fast, and speed means a great deal as to stopping distance. It will take a train over two times the distance to stop from 60MPH vs. 40MPH, and the laws of physics being what they are, a short train with 3 lightweight passenger cars WILL stop from 40MPH in about a block or two (the distance the train in our video above was in line with this). It's simple physics.
MY CAR! MY BEAUTIFUL BEAUTIFUL CAR!!!!
-Ade Edmondson
Length of F40PH = 56.2'. Time to clear fixed point on earth (this case, left warning light), approx 1 second. 56.2x60 (one minute) = 3,372 feet (the distance the train will roll at impact velocity). 3,372 x 60 minutes = 202,320 feet in one hour at its impact velocity. 202,320 divided by 5,280 (feet in one mile) 38.318 = miles per hour at impact point. Again, simple physics. Now you said you work around this stuff every day?
I hope they told the engine crew that this was a staged test.
What company owns the train cars? It looks a lot like Metra but that isnt a metra engine.
This was done in Knoxville TN right? I seem to remember it on the news.
It is clearly doing 40MPH. One locomotive with three light passenger cars that have large brakes - train will stop fast. There's not a lot of weight behind it.
hold the camera still next time, consider investing in a tripod! But still good footage
nah, the crew was most likely in the cab. The car does minimal damage to the locomotives and the crew is sitting roughly 10 feet above the ground so their not in harms way.
We hit a vehicle (not staged) at roughly 50mph and we were fine, the car was fucked but the crew and locomotive were fine.
amen to that but it still happens to this day i saw it this morning wen an excursion train loaded with over 500+ people was goin thru the same area
The local Boy Scout Troop built and installed two 'crash test dummies' in the front seat; the County EMS service extracted what was left after the impact (one 'dummy' was ejected); the local police department handled crowd control and parking. A superior community effort. Zero damage to the train.
Was that an amtrak surfliner f40ph pulling star cars?
Yes
That was really cool but the sad part is that it seems as though no one got the point behind that. Everyone was laughing and saying "oh cool!" and they completely missed the point behind it: Don't mess with the train, it ALWAYS wins.
it runs on old Tennessee Central lines which is now Nashville&Eastern they use this loco as well they have 4 and they r now puttin in an additional route im not sure where as of yet
Pretty cool though, nice to see it on youtube.. im tired of idiots stopping over the tracks at a red light, people need to take this subject seriously.
Perhaps "larger brakes" was a misnomer. True, passenger air systems operate at higher PSI, but the passenger cars also have disc brakes and not just pads rubbing against the wheels as on locomotives and freight cars.
No, I am not a 'foamer'.
What would be the point of having a different test train?
This is to show people the fact that the 6 car Amtrak daily you see everyday will knock your car/suv/van off the tracks without even shuddering.
i hope the local police tell the train conductors they are staging this.
Or be a smudge on the paint on the front end by the time it's stopped.
Maybe it's standard procedure that a train has to blow the whistle at a crossing.
damn that train stopped fast....
there was 5 that i know of saved from scrap. this one was bought straight from amtrak
Trains: 1,000,000+ and counting.
Cars:0
Why did they leave the carriages on the train? If it had derailed the train then it would be a much costlier accident
no the engineer would hit the car and go,
"Aww Fuck, how am I gonna explain this one."
have you noticed that the train stop very quickly after the crash???
it takes about 1 km for a full speeding train to stop
if u dont like it dont watch it and quit bein rude to people
rest in peace old car
I agree with you. I'm scared to death of trains. People just aren't safe and cautious around them at all.
Who in the worlds an evidence that parking on railway tracks is not so healthy?
WOW! I want to be an engineer when I grow up. I hope I don't hit anything or anyone for that matter.
When the stage something, they park it in front of regular rail traffic with the railroad knowing.
Yeah, but I'd be still pretty neat to see. Car vs. large freight train is like a Nerf Gun against the Death star.
The level of intelligence shown by the crowd here is indicative of peoples complete arrogance towards level crossing safety.
Laughing while saying "oh my god! oh my god!". Honestly....
Wow, the train stopped quickly.
When they say staged, was the train in on the test?
It didn't have nearly as much weight as a freight.
he was already on the brakes when he hit the car.
OHOHOHO MY GGGOOODDD lmao OHOHOHOHO MY GOHOHOHD
if it was staged,then why were the gates open till the train comes, and the train driver was blowing horn like in desperation
Was this part of Operation Lifesaver?
@ShadowsHideBlades freight trains weigh more than passenger ones
"bye bye car", HELLO INSURANCE!
i think the spectators didn't see the point of the demonstration.
If you get hit by a train, you are dead. That is the point of it all but everyone laughs!
Works for me, I'd think twice before parking my SmartCar on the tracks :)
that was a f40ph surfliner
some person said bye bye car like 4 times lol
From what I understand, this was a staged crash, coordinated with the police department and the railroad, to educate locals on what would happen if a train hit their car on the tracks. Apparently there was a problem of people stopping on the tracks, and not behind the white stripe.
they did tell the crew in the engine it was a staged test
A train hitting a car is like a bug hitting your windshield. Almost anything a train locomotive hits bounces off it with almost no damage to the engine. Your talking about tons and tons of steel on the largest man made moving objects. A tie racing a train to a grade crossing-- You lose period!
silicon, I've enjoyed lurking on your exchange with slikinc. Great job of exposing who really is the "foamer" in this discussion.
LOL!
music city star it runs from Nashville,TN to Lebanon,TN
good work silicon212 in shutting up slikinc
that is so cool i am glad that wasnt me in that car
The F40PH delivers again!
@bigbadbronco86 I understand your point. I'm a driver destructor.
99% of people are smart enough. They understand the obvious tremendous unyielding impact forces. (No doubt why many were here to watch it!)
I have shown photos and videos of train/vehicle collisions.
Similar to when drivers get halted in an intersection, the signal changes and they are blocking cross-traffic. Except that if the cross-traffic is a train, it cannot stop in time. Many real photos exist. No need for this.
does the train company know this was staged
well that was the worst crash ive ever seen. The car wasnt crushed much.
Lots of laughing, yes, but very effective. Most of the audience was there under Court Order, in lieu of driving school, and 99% of those were 16-18 year olds. The City Judge requested and demonstration and sentenced as may juvenile offenders as possible to attend. Plenty of nervous laughter, I admit, but since that time, not a single car vs. train incident in the town limits. The local wrecker service provided the target car; the Nashville & Eastern RR provided the train.
what was the point in that?
Que irresponsables! Provocar un accidente por diversión... eso es francamente estúpido.
Not funny when your the conductor.
I hit a pickup with a trailer hanging over the crossing. Imbedded the trail into the side of the pickup. The guy was out of the pickup.
Why didnt' he push the damn thing off the crossing? Thats all I asked him when we finally stopped.
He probably was. If it was real it would've been a hell of alot worse than this. Trains can't stop on a dime. It takes a train its entire length to stop.
mile post 17 to be exact
He pulled up quick tho
What is this？
its Music City Star
they always do hit the horn its procedure
Just to set you straight, I have a background in railroads and not from a foamer standpoint. Go back to school and properly learn how to interact with others who may know more than you think they do.
Ah. Bueno, así la cosa cambia. Cuando ví el vídeo no estaba la explicación.
it still runs today they just repainted the plow on it i know this coz i got a pic of it yesterday
I bet the railroad would rather spend the money to teach those people not to stop on the tracks or go around the gates then have to spend the money of repairing the locomotive more then one time cause people where not educated about what could happen. what is the greater good spend money trying to save lives, or spending money over and over cause some idiot was killed getting hit by a train in his car?
that sucked do it witha FULL INTERMODAL TRAIN OF 105 CARS AND 210 containers full of cargo with 4 Locomotives then see how long it takes to stop and u will that car GO AIRBORN
got insurance
I estimate repair cost for the loco at less tham 5k. Not much at all. Not sure why the repair itself would be 'dangerous'.
And of course broken down before or after the staged accident, the scrap steel in the auto weighs the same. No loss there.
This test was undoubtedly done with the railroad's approval who in turn wrote it off on taxes. So....I'm pretty sure the railroad came out fine.
Not sure what "dibre" is, but I sure hope I'm not struck by any the next time I'm running.
you should see the alcohol and guns test.
I love GM. Don't you?
surfliner with metra cool
I think that was Star, not metra
well it can be funny from certain points of view as for some strange reason humans happen to think the destruction of thing like this is funny even to think that if bodies were inside how terrible a trajedy it is. I would be laughing in aw though because that is just so cool!
Wow. I'd hate to be on the business end of that thing.lol The car went about, what 65-70 feet? Of course this is going to be funny. No one was gonna get hurt doing this. At least I certainly hope not. Who doesn't like seeing a car get smashed to bits?
best crash in my life
Booofff, the was push of the railway !!!!
oh, ok , thanks. great video.
Wow, Cincinatti Railway likes to crash their poor F40PH dont they..
@bigbadbronco86 No, 86. People know what will happen if they are hit by a train.
The real issue, completely missed here, is vehicles ahead stopping and the driver forced to stop on the track. Often s/he can't back up because of vehicles behind.
Then there are morons, often Darwin Award winners, who try to beat trains. The only way to stop these idiots is with four-quadrant gates. (They are not worth it.)
This "reinactment is a total waste.
They Used Metras Older cars that they sold
WHAT??????!!!!!!!!
@robertgift i think youre missing my point though, regardless of how smart you or i would like to think that we are, the simple fact of the matter is that for every genius like us there are fifteen more darwin award winners running around. also as much as you dont want to admit it, one of these winners actually benefitted from this video even though to the rest of normal society its common sense. its a worn out saying but common sense isnt so common after all
o o o o o o o o my go o o o o o o o o od...
yes it was
that's a waste of car!!
ohohohohoh-----my ghohohohohd- lol
So, you work with them every day. Great! Now, go look closely again at the distance the train stopped in. 200 feet = 2.6 times the length of the locomotive. Come on, dude, look at the video again, that train didn't stop in "a couple hundred feet", it stopped in two blocks.
You're making yourself look like a fool with your "foamer this and foamer that" content up there on your high horse.
ya win its reel