At this point, I'm convinced that "instructors" who are arguing against acquiring and maintaining the hard skills at a high level are just trying to bastardize performance to meet their current level so they don't have to train more and promote themselves as the "end all be all" for profit. It's just that you can't seriously believe you're furthering the training community by spouting USPSA, IDPA, PCSL, etc. is a detriment to performance. It's 20fucking25 people.
@20:00 Shoothouse stuff also does have movable walls to make it unrecognizable each run which is beneficial to training you to actually “look at the room” instead of just do what you already know but best believe that any house or structure the MIL or LEO is going to enter they are trying to find the floor plan layout and room setup for the address before the entry to gain every advantage and have plans so it’s kind of like a walk through even before a structure has been seen by them
I recently watched the same video of the dangers of competition shooting that you did. So after watching a fair amount of his other “training videos” a few things occurred to me. I was irritated with the disinformation he was spreading that would lead to someone who didn’t know better to not shoot competition and further develop their shooting skills. Which Is actually dangerous. Ultimately, After a while I started feeling sorry for him. He spoke frequently about the 83+ classes he had taken. So he really can’t back down from his position due to the presumably 100k +/- he has tied up in it. He could have used a portion of those funds for other experiences to expand his skills as opposed to repeating the same classes (which he said he did). And get more out of his time and money. Kinda painted into a corner now after making taking classes his “brand” He did perfectly demonstrate why shooting steel dangerously close is a horrible idea in a few of his videos. Side note. For the most part the only time you would shoot standing in one place in idpa matches is for “standards” stages. Which are tests of marksmanship. Those stages are rare cuz we all hate them. All other “scenario” stages will involve multiple shooting positions from points of cover with movement along with moving targets/steel and stuff. It’s more dynamic than it used to be I enjoyed ur video greatly.
This was an excellent breakdown. I started competing in USPSA about a year ago, and I've seen significant improvements in my shooting. I often argue with my fellow LEOs that participating in at least two matches a month would provide more practical training than the typical in-service "trainings." The main obstacles, however, are ego and fear of failure.
I cant get into one unless I hear the beep 😢 I just stand there frozen with fear not knowing what to do. I keep tripping over my own feet because competition taught me bad habits. I just run into harms way because I'm way too fast for my own good.
@@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jwI just watched it and gave him an offer for an IG live. I wonder if this one will actually take it. So far 5 offers and none have taken me up on it. Weird.
@@rasgrouptrainingwhy would an ex unit team leader need to debate you on this topic? How much combat have you experienced, how many people/agencies have you trained? How is it that a trainer of Paul Howe’s caliber needs to prove anything to anyone by competing in a match? I don’t get it.
God bless ya lol. Tactical shooters seem to be like flat earth people (majority of them). The average dude that thinks he can shoot, and you say here’s a timer, here’s multiple targets. Who can shoot better… but but.. BUT! They don’t care about reality, or what proof literally just happened in front of them. I won’t say their name, but a small YT that seems to be the “tactical type” was at a well known instructors class I took this year. He was very sub par at best, and worried several students and probably the instructor multiple times. Nice guy, but odd, and end of the day was very average at shooting.
Pretty simple to say.. the government through Leo and military personnel spend billions a year sending people to tactical training classes with competitive shooters.. have been for 20 years now.. the entire progression of military and leo tactics have been derived from competitive shooting 😂😂. Anyone making this a argument is either a pog still made they stuck out in selection or spend more time watching shooting videos and playing fps video games then training and shooting 🤷♂️
Another thing that somehow is controversial but shouldn’t be. All training is valuable. Training under pressure is even more valuable. I might not lead a professional soccer team but can I learn something about leadership from a team manager? Absolutely. You have to find the carryover. Can the fine motor skills under time pressure and the hand eye skills of competition shooting be valuable? Sure. Does it cover all aspects of self defense shooting? No… but by that logic the only training that’s would be considered “valuable” would be actual gunfights; and that’s just silly.
Where does discrimination come into play during a competition? I don’t disagree that there is something to learn from competition but it is not the same as real combat. Why would you shoot and move at the same time. You can’t do either one 100%?
No shoots, partials, hard covers, and target clusters 100% tie into discrimination and visual aggression. I don’t know how you could argue it doesn’t. You’re literally given an array of targets and forced to shoot some and not all at a pretty fast pace if you hope to win. Next, there’s times to stop and shoot and times it doesn’t make sense to. It’s called blending positions. Your baseline skill and ability dictates what distances and size of targets you can confidently blend. Further more, no one is saying it is real combat. I am saying it’s one of the closest situations you can put yourself in. Very few force on force or SIM schools are structured well enough to give the other aspects that go with it. Most are glorified paintball games.
@ the “discrimination” is white/brown. It’s not that way in real life. LE has to deal with armed people who aren’t necessarily threats all of the time. Some are home owners some are CC holders some are other LE. You can’t just see gun and shoot. Again, I’m not saying there isn’t something to learn from USPSA but it’s not the same. Force on force training is much closer to real stress targets acquisition and discrimination that white/brown. I will agree that many force on force trainings aren’t set up properly for actual training I’ve attended several that weren’t. But when it’s done correctly it’s invaluable.
@ But without the hard skills of being able to run a gun at a high level force on force is irrelevant. If it takes you 3 seconds to draw and fire your first shot vs. the other guy who is sub second at a level 3 confirmation then you lose every time. It all comes back to high development of hard skills , even once you thought you moved away from it. Competition is where that happens. It is the #1 test of the #1 thing that you need to win. Simple as that. If someone isn’t pushing the hard skill development then I’m not sure what what they’re doing, because it isn’t worth much.
@ plus dude, I’m LE. “Discrimination” is another way of saying visual aggression, it’s all the same shit and 100% trained to a high level through performance shooting.
@@kdworak4754 - sure, have it your way. But why? Why? Why would one or two persons I know (who have been in multiple gunfights) not aggressively advocate for USPSA competition? Why?
@@andrewfeldman3334 the James Yeager who had an instructor have a ND in the parking lot or the James Yeager who had a dude in a wheelchair firing while people on the line were ahead of him or the James Yeager who hid while his team was shot up?
@@TGS-rb8us the instructor ND isn’t acceptable. Which of the four firearm safety rules did the guy in the wheelchair break? Why do you care so much when the students didn’t care? As for hiding, how is he going to help his team if he gets shot too?
@ You obviously didn’t see the video of the wheelchair guy posted by a student in the class who said they were all freaked out. Shooting from behind folks isn’t one of the four basic safety rules but it is number one in the tactical safety rules. If he is hiding and not fighting he is a coward. Why should anyone take tactical instruction from a coward. I misread your comment so I went back and edited my original reply. That’s on me.
@@TGS-rb8us do you even know what get off the x means? Have you ever even taken a class on vehicle tactics? He wasn’t hiding in a ditch, he was shooting from the other side of the road. Even his teammates said he did the right thing.
At this point, I'm convinced that "instructors" who are arguing against acquiring and maintaining the hard skills at a high level are just trying to bastardize performance to meet their current level so they don't have to train more and promote themselves as the "end all be all" for profit. It's just that you can't seriously believe you're furthering the training community by spouting USPSA, IDPA, PCSL, etc. is a detriment to performance. It's 20fucking25 people.
@@blackmarshalprecision I couldn’t have said this any better myself brother, very well put.
People who actively put down competition shooting are fudds in the worst way. Subscribed.
What a breath of fresh air! So many tactical bros talking down on shooting sports it's crazy, thanks for your input
I agree 100%, you want to win a gun fight you need attitude, skill, and marksmanship.
@@timoanez4668 Amen brother
@20:00 Shoothouse stuff also does have movable walls to make it unrecognizable each run which is beneficial to training you to actually “look at the room” instead of just do what you already know but best believe that any house or structure the MIL or LEO is going to enter they are trying to find the floor plan layout and room setup for the address before the entry to gain every advantage and have plans so it’s kind of like a walk through even before a structure has been seen by them
Thanks for pumping out so much great content dude
@@bluffcityquietpills I’m just trying to offer what insight I can Man, thank you 🙏🏼
I recently watched the same video of the dangers of competition shooting that you did. So after watching a fair amount of his other “training videos” a few things occurred to me.
I was irritated with the disinformation he was spreading that would lead to someone who didn’t know better to not shoot competition and further develop their shooting skills. Which Is actually dangerous.
Ultimately, After a while I started feeling sorry for him. He spoke frequently about the 83+ classes he had taken. So he really can’t back down from his position due to the presumably 100k +/- he has tied up in it.
He could have used a portion of those funds for other experiences to expand his skills as opposed to repeating the same classes (which he said he did). And get more out of his time and money. Kinda painted into a corner now after making taking classes his “brand”
He did perfectly demonstrate why shooting steel dangerously close is a horrible idea in a few of his videos.
Side note. For the most part the only time you would shoot standing in one place in idpa matches is for “standards” stages. Which are tests of marksmanship. Those stages are rare cuz we all hate them. All other “scenario” stages will involve multiple shooting positions from points of cover with movement along with moving targets/steel and stuff. It’s more dynamic than it used to be
I enjoyed ur video greatly.
This was an excellent breakdown. I started competing in USPSA about a year ago, and I've seen significant improvements in my shooting. I often argue with my fellow LEOs that participating in at least two matches a month would provide more practical training than the typical in-service "trainings." The main obstacles, however, are ego and fear of failure.
Whats a shot timer? You need to slow down and get your hits man.. its the only way bro😂😂 theres no beep n a gunfight dont you know?? Jeeze bro...
I cant get into one unless I hear the beep 😢 I just stand there frozen with fear not knowing what to do. I keep tripping over my own feet because competition taught me bad habits. I just run into harms way because I'm way too fast for my own good.
@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw lord forbid if you have to stand in line at a grocery store while people are checking out... no one would be safe
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@@primeddefender 🤣🤣🤣
You should watch what the THECSATWAY guy just said about Competition vs. Tactical.
@@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jw send me the link
@@rasgrouptraining I disagree with him in a lot of ways.
@@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jwI just watched it and gave him an offer for an IG live. I wonder if this one will actually take it. So far 5 offers and none have taken me up on it. Weird.
@@BullseyeBallistics-kf1jwwhat do you disagree with?
@@rasgrouptrainingwhy would an ex unit team leader need to debate you on this topic? How much combat have you experienced, how many people/agencies have you trained? How is it that a trainer of Paul Howe’s caliber needs to prove anything to anyone by competing in a match? I don’t get it.
Well put 👍
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God bless ya lol. Tactical shooters seem to be like flat earth people (majority of them). The average dude that thinks he can shoot, and you say here’s a timer, here’s multiple targets. Who can shoot better… but but.. BUT! They don’t care about reality, or what proof literally just happened in front of them.
I won’t say their name, but a small YT that seems to be the “tactical type” was at a well known instructors class I took this year. He was very sub par at best, and worried several students and probably the instructor multiple times. Nice guy, but odd, and end of the day was very average at shooting.
Leave flat earthers alone...
I want to know so bad, but thank you for having integrity.
unless that enemy is at 183 degrees. Whatcha gonna do now, huh? ;^)
"Staaaaaahhhhp!"
Pretty simple to say.. the government through Leo and military personnel spend billions a year sending people to tactical training classes with competitive shooters.. have been for 20 years now.. the entire progression of military and leo tactics have been derived from competitive shooting 😂😂.
Anyone making this a argument is either a pog still made they stuck out in selection or spend more time watching shooting videos and playing fps video games then training and shooting 🤷♂️
Another thing that somehow is controversial but shouldn’t be. All training is valuable. Training under pressure is even more valuable. I might not lead a professional soccer team but can I learn something about leadership from a team manager? Absolutely. You have to find the carryover. Can the fine motor skills under time pressure and the hand eye skills of competition shooting be valuable? Sure. Does it cover all aspects of self defense shooting? No… but by that logic the only training that’s would be considered “valuable” would be actual gunfights; and that’s just silly.
Only thing closer to is paint ball or whatever they call it these days
@@EugeneWorth That's not close to the real thing at all.
Where does discrimination come into play during a competition? I don’t disagree that there is something to learn from competition but it is not the same as real combat. Why would you shoot and move at the same time. You can’t do either one 100%?
No shoots, partials, hard covers, and target clusters 100% tie into discrimination and visual aggression. I don’t know how you could argue it doesn’t. You’re literally given an array of targets and forced to shoot some and not all at a pretty fast pace if you hope to win.
Next, there’s times to stop and shoot and times it doesn’t make sense to. It’s called blending positions. Your baseline skill and ability dictates what distances and size of targets you can confidently blend.
Further more, no one is saying it is real combat. I am saying it’s one of the closest situations you can put yourself in. Very few force on force or SIM schools are structured well enough to give the other aspects that go with it. Most are glorified paintball games.
@ the “discrimination” is white/brown. It’s not that way in real life. LE has to deal with armed people who aren’t necessarily threats all of the time. Some are home owners some are CC holders some are other LE. You can’t just see gun and shoot. Again, I’m not saying there isn’t something to learn from USPSA but it’s not the same. Force on force training is much closer to real stress targets acquisition and discrimination that white/brown. I will agree that many force on force trainings aren’t set up properly for actual training I’ve attended several that weren’t. But when it’s done correctly it’s invaluable.
@ But without the hard skills of being able to run a gun at a high level force on force is irrelevant. If it takes you 3 seconds to draw and fire your first shot vs. the other guy who is sub second at a level 3 confirmation then you lose every time. It all comes back to high development of hard skills , even once you thought you moved away from it. Competition is where that happens. It is the #1 test of the #1 thing that you need to win. Simple as that. If someone isn’t pushing the hard skill development then I’m not sure what what they’re doing, because it isn’t worth much.
@ plus dude, I’m LE. “Discrimination” is another way of saying visual aggression, it’s all the same shit and 100% trained to a high level through performance shooting.
@@rasgrouptraining speed drawing only happens rarely. Being able to spot the threat and respond appropriately is more realistic.
No, it won’t.
Bullet point number one: question: what if it is coming from someone who has been involved in multiple gunfights?
Talk to us after you've been in multiple gunfights against GM competitors... with the worst tactics ever they'd smoke ya.
@@kdworak4754 - sure, have it your way. But why? Why? Why would one or two persons I know (who have been in multiple gunfights) not aggressively advocate for USPSA competition? Why?
Even James Yeager said USPSA wouldn’t be a bad idea.
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@@andrewfeldman3334 Well there it is, James and I finally agreed on something. Who would have ever thought it was possible.
@@andrewfeldman3334 the James Yeager who had an instructor have a ND in the parking lot or the James Yeager who had a dude in a wheelchair firing while people on the line were ahead of him or the James Yeager who hid while his team was shot up?
@@TGS-rb8us the instructor ND isn’t acceptable. Which of the four firearm safety rules did the guy in the wheelchair break? Why do you care so much when the students didn’t care? As for hiding, how is he going to help his team if he gets shot too?
@ You obviously didn’t see the video of the wheelchair guy posted by a student in the class who said they were all freaked out. Shooting from behind folks isn’t one of the four basic safety rules but it is number one in the tactical safety rules. If he is hiding and not fighting he is a coward. Why should anyone take tactical instruction from a coward. I misread your comment so I went back and edited my original reply. That’s on me.
@@TGS-rb8us do you even know what get off the x means? Have you ever even taken a class on vehicle tactics? He wasn’t hiding in a ditch, he was shooting from the other side of the road. Even his teammates said he did the right thing.