Often it's bean counters that decide these issues not engineers.They always go for the cheaper option in parts and design and as a mech engineer they never listen.
Timing belt intervals have increased over time as materials and design improved. In the 1980s, 60,000 mile intervals were common. Later 90,000 became the norm in around the 1990’s . Now it’s commonly 150,000 miles.
60k plus for a new ute in Australia, and less reliable than ever. The government has a duty of care to protect the people. When are they going to use there power to protect the people? Companies like ford probably spend more money on advertising than engineering. Regardless of your budget, who makes a reliable ute?
Dude, the government "protecting the people" is a lot of what is making cars unreliable, and inefficient. Dpf's(fire hazard, exhaust blockage) egr valves(in conjunction with the pcv, blocking your intake manifold), and manufacturers having to reduce compression ratios to reduce nox emission(reduces power, so more fuel burned for the same amount of work, so are those emissions actually reduced for the amount of work done?). And why have manufacturers put these on their engines? Because of epa emission targets which the government has decided are the way to go, and as far as i can see only result in the engine being less efficient, developing less power and burning more fuel(again, lower compression ratios, and dpf burnoffs for example). Its like we're back in the 70's era, where targets were set, and basically the only way that manufacturers had of reducing nox emissions was to lower engine compression ratio, which, you guessed it, resulted in burning a lot more fuel for the same work done.. Personally, i think we'd be better off if the government just stepped back a bit more, only set fuel economy figures(which hey, would also result in reduced emissions!) and just let manufacturers create an efficient, reliable engine.
The main cause for the belt deterioration is time, not mileage. If the belt is more that 5 years old, regardless of mileage I would change it. The oil eventually deteriorate the belt, even if you done all the services with the specified oil.
I have seen them fail as soon as 140k and my suggestion is 140k max Only use a full synthetic oil Don’t service at 15 K service at max 10K( 7.5k more desirable) Never use oil additives. They are a piece of piss to do but there are 2 different timing cover variation, one with coolant degassing hole and one without You can inspect your own belt by removing the oil fill cap and spray a little bit of brake clean on it. If the belt looks flattened out- has micro cracks- back side looks rough it’s delaminating, replace yesterday not tomorrow, it will fail. Usually they will break some teeth off before losing oil pressure as they produce very little oil pressure at idle ( emissions BS) hence the low oil pressure light doesn’t come on until the damage is already done.
In this era where new car buyers are sold protracted maintenance included, engineers are pressured to extend maintenance schedule to reduce downstream cost. Ultimately this sacrifices vehicle survival, which is their goal all along.
What nut case in ford thought of this type of engineering… they did it before in another model ( not the ranger ) with huge problems and to apply it to the ford ranger is beyond belief .
We had 7ecoblue diesels at work. None of them reached 200000kms without major engine problems. My belt went at 140000km leaving me stranded 3hours from the nearest town. All of them got fixed under warranty.
One of the first indications that the belt is going is the loss of brake boost as the vacuum pump oil feed gets blocked due to the belt fibres my brakes lost the boost on the road but luckily it did not have a load as it took two feet on the brake to stop. I was lucky as the belt was on its last legs that was at 90,000 miles garage says change oil more often
I never new certain Ford Rangers had wet belts well that's a deal breaker when it comes to buying any vehicle and they have gone on my list of vehicles in avoid another reason why l will stick with my 1997 Toyota Hilux it has its original timing chain and has done 4390000 kilometres
I own 3 different Ford vehicles of various vintages and each of them has different engine design flaws that I have to watch like a hawk. My ear is constantly tuned listening for the known telltale sounds of their component failure while driving. I can’t see myself ever buying another Ford due to engine issues except possibly a 5.0. The problem is that almost every manufacturer is making crap vehicles these days with the possible exception of Toyota.
On my Connect it was 200000 km or 10 years. I had it changed on 97000 km and 11 years. The belt was in fine condition according to my regular mechanic😃👍 So km's is much worse than years, on the timing belt?
Another junk idea from Ford . Beaware the service intervals in the UK equipped vehicles has significantly shortened by ALOT due to early failures. New schedule 160,00km or 6 years . Failures are still being seen at the shorter interval so reality is 120,000km Did I mention the price 1000British ponds or AUS 1800$ . Very expensive ......
All new FORD diesels run variable displacement VAIN OIL PUMPS. Which in better terms is a POWER STEERING pump. These lose more pressure over time than their ritary counterparts!!! FLAWED DESIGN!!!
This is why engines shouldn’t have progressed past OHV, along with timing gears. While it is true that newer engines get better fuel economy, it’s quickly circumvented by expensive maintenance. Meanwhile, anyone who drives a GM product with the 3800 V6 or any engine that’s a OHV pushrod design won’t have to do anything but fluid changes. Someone who drives something with a wet timing belt, or timing chains will have expensive maintenance and repair bills.
At which point did they change to a belt? because I found this answer from Cars Guide "Ford’s popular PX Ranger (sold from 2011 to its replacement in 2022) marked a distinct move away from timing belt technology to drive the engine's inlet and exhaust cam. So, regardless of what engine your PX Ranger has fitted to it, the Ford Ranger timing belt or chain question is answered with a simple response: It’s a timing chain. That means the timing chain should be good for the life of the vehicle and will not require replacement at regular intervals, unlike engines with a rubber drive belt belt, provided oil changes and other maintenance has been carried out properly. This gets around the rubber drive belt problems of periodical replacement and the associated cost. This advice covers every PX Ranger engine, including the 3.2-litre five-cylinder diesel, the 2.2-litre four-cylinder diesel, the two-litre twin-turbo diesel and even the short-lived (2011 to 2015) 2.5-litre petrol engine." The bi-turbo carried through to the PY series
PX3 Bi Turbo 2.0L from 2019 onwards is Wet Belt, 3.2 & 2.2 are chain, , all Next Gen Rangers are Timing Belt except the 4.0L Petrol EcoBoost which is chain.
2.2 and 3.2 are Duratorq engines which use chains. Only the new 2.0 Ecoblue engines use timing belt soaked with engine oil. My SC recommends to change at 180k km but some videos I watched have premature failure and most of them aren't even reach 100k km yet.
Its easy to criticise but i would say the majority of delivery vehicles are Ford Transit not vw,fiat,citreon why because of high mileage and reliability and economy so i rest my case
Ya because rubber belts need lubrication What a disappointment I new the newer generation of rangers was going to be a disappointment Do they do any research before releasing there vehicles any more?
I have been in the trade for 48 years and I can say that is the dumbest idea I can remember seeing. Planned obsolescence .
What trade is that , no way your a mechanic the video I’d sponsor is Toyota
They'll still sell like hotcakes cuz most people only see shiny new things.
This wet timing belt is the most ridiculous thing I've seen since they brought out the Ash Tray on motorcycles
Or the helicopter ejector seat !
Well, at least the ash tray is self cleaning!
Wet timing belt.
This is why technicians hate engineers.
Often it's bean counters that decide these issues not engineers.They always go for the cheaper option in parts and design and as a mech engineer they never listen.
Timing belts are 150,000 or 8yrs, which ever comes first. Dry or wet. Golden rule. Since ever.
Yeah, how about Holden Astras? Golden rule not to blanket all timing belt intervals?
Timing belt intervals have increased over time as materials and design improved. In the 1980s, 60,000 mile intervals were common. Later 90,000 became the norm in around the 1990’s . Now it’s commonly 150,000 miles.
Shout out to Matz Mechanic lol.
For hotter countries, I recommend every 60k or 5 years or less
A friend of mine just bought the Ranger raptor brand-new 6000 km later catastrophic engine failure
One of these Ranger Raptors is on floor display in my local dealership with over an $80k sticker price.
Flord must have a death wish! 😕
Thats why as an ex mechanic, I purchased a V6 Everest as it has a chain. Worst case it can rattle latter in its life expectancy.
your Next Gen V6 Everest is actually a belt, not a wet belt tho.
@abdautomotive cheers I'll explore the workshop service manual a bit deeper. Thanks for the info
60k plus for a new ute in Australia, and less reliable than ever. The government has a duty of care to protect the people. When are they going to use there power to protect the people? Companies like ford probably spend more money on advertising than engineering. Regardless of your budget, who makes a reliable ute?
Toyota 2.7 petrol.
Dude, the government "protecting the people" is a lot of what is making cars unreliable, and inefficient. Dpf's(fire hazard, exhaust blockage) egr valves(in conjunction with the pcv, blocking your intake manifold), and manufacturers having to reduce compression ratios to reduce nox emission(reduces power, so more fuel burned for the same amount of work, so are those emissions actually reduced for the amount of work done?). And why have manufacturers put these on their engines? Because of epa emission targets which the government has decided are the way to go, and as far as i can see only result in the engine being less efficient, developing less power and burning more fuel(again, lower compression ratios, and dpf burnoffs for example). Its like we're back in the 70's era, where targets were set, and basically the only way that manufacturers had of reducing nox emissions was to lower engine compression ratio, which, you guessed it, resulted in burning a lot more fuel for the same work done.. Personally, i think we'd be better off if the government just stepped back a bit more, only set fuel economy figures(which hey, would also result in reduced emissions!) and just let manufacturers create an efficient, reliable engine.
@@stendecstretcher5678 not much of a tow vehicle with 245nm torque. But agree that 2.7 petrol is pretty reliable.
Toyota, as always. Nobody is forcing you to buy Ford.
The main cause for the belt deterioration is time, not mileage. If the belt is more that 5 years old, regardless of mileage I would change it. The oil eventually deteriorate the belt, even if you done all the services with the specified oil.
Barra swap for the win!!!😂😂😂
Ranger hold the current top spot for 4wds taken off Fraser Island by tilt tray. Don't buy one if you intend going off the bitumen.
Moral to the story, "DON'T BUY A FORD RANGER "
Or anything else that Ford builds.
Best in design award ford ranger 20220-2021 hehehe
I have seen them fail as soon as 140k and my suggestion is 140k max
Only use a full synthetic oil
Don’t service at 15 K service at max 10K( 7.5k more desirable)
Never use oil additives.
They are a piece of piss to do but there are 2 different timing cover variation, one with coolant degassing hole and one without
You can inspect your own belt by removing the oil fill cap and spray a little bit of brake clean on it. If the belt looks flattened out- has micro cracks- back side looks rough it’s delaminating, replace yesterday not tomorrow, it will fail.
Usually they will break some teeth off before losing oil pressure as they produce very little oil pressure at idle ( emissions BS) hence the low oil pressure light doesn’t come on until the damage is already done.
100.000 klms be more like it to be sure
They changed the interval down to 160000 km or 6 years from 230000 and 10 years already. At least in Germany..
In this era where new car buyers are sold protracted maintenance included, engineers are pressured to extend maintenance schedule to reduce downstream cost. Ultimately this sacrifices vehicle survival, which is their goal all along.
What nut case in ford thought of this type of engineering… they did it before in another model ( not the ranger ) with huge problems and to apply it to the ford ranger is beyond belief .
I would NEVER buy a wet belt engined car...
We had 7ecoblue diesels at work. None of them reached 200000kms without major engine problems. My belt went at 140000km leaving me stranded 3hours from the nearest town. All of them got fixed under warranty.
I see, it is easy to change, that's a good point !
Great advice. My friend just bought one of these so I’ll let him know 👍
Also found in ford transits, use the correct oil, change at 180,000 to be safe, done heaps, easy to do.
Shame really, minus the belt those engines seem to be quite reliable
All new vehicles are 💩
Not Toyotas or Hondas. Their non turbos never have problems, always reliable if serviced properly
As far as I know, rubber belts are made to run in dry conditions and not wet.
One of the first indications that the belt is going is the loss of brake boost as the vacuum pump oil feed gets blocked due to the belt fibres my brakes lost the boost on the road but luckily it did not have a load as it took two feet on the brake to stop.
I was lucky as the belt was on its last legs that was at 90,000 miles garage says change oil more often
a ranger is a ticking time bomb regardless if it has a timing belt or chain
STILL riding with my original engine/timing chain with my 96 5.7 chevy...
I wonder, is this wet system cheaper than chain or dry belt? Or is this made for efficiency purposes?
I never new certain Ford Rangers had wet belts well that's a deal breaker when it comes to buying any vehicle and they have gone on my list of vehicles in avoid another reason why l will stick with my 1997 Toyota Hilux it has its original timing chain and has done 4390000 kilometres
its only run in at that milage ...............!
Yeaaaaah i dont think they will
Last 230K
Ford reliability ,,,3.2L seizure of oil pump causing motor failure ....Now the 2.0ltr with a pathetic wet belt causing motor failure .
The oil pump doesn't seize, it looses it's prime if the oil is drained for too long.
@@BryanM63Oil drain fault is only one issue . Excessive wear and breakage when driving are just more examples of even more faults with the pump.
What about the older 2.2 diesel?
they use chain not rubber unlike these new models, so no worries...
New vehicles are made to f up
I own 3 different Ford vehicles of various vintages and each of them has different engine design flaws that I have to watch like a hawk. My ear is constantly tuned listening for the known telltale sounds of their component failure while driving. I can’t see myself ever buying another Ford due to engine issues except possibly a 5.0. The problem is that almost every manufacturer is making crap vehicles these days with the possible exception of Toyota.
On my Connect it was 200000 km or 10 years. I had it changed on 97000 km and 11 years. The belt was in fine condition according to my regular mechanic😃👍 So km's is much worse than years, on the timing belt?
Another junk idea from Ford . Beaware the service intervals in the UK equipped vehicles has significantly shortened by ALOT due to early failures. New schedule 160,00km or 6 years .
Failures are still being seen at the shorter interval so reality is 120,000km
Did I mention the price 1000British ponds or AUS 1800$ . Very expensive ......
All new FORD diesels run variable displacement VAIN OIL PUMPS.
Which in better terms is a POWER STEERING pump. These lose more pressure over time than their ritary counterparts!!! FLAWED DESIGN!!!
This is why engines shouldn’t have progressed past OHV, along with timing gears. While it is true that newer engines get better fuel economy, it’s quickly circumvented by expensive maintenance.
Meanwhile, anyone who drives a GM product with the 3800 V6 or any engine that’s a OHV pushrod design won’t have to do anything but fluid changes. Someone who drives something with a wet timing belt, or timing chains will have expensive maintenance and repair bills.
This is not a US market ford ranger 4cyl ecoboost they use chains
Do they use a chain for the oil pump drive?
@@chrisgraham9203The 2.3L oil pump is directly geared to the balance shaft. The 2.7 has a wet belt.
....not only- all 4 Years its maximum!
I have a 2024 2.3 Ranger, does this engine have these set as well?
I have never changed a timing chain or built in any of my vehicles.
a wet belt in a work truck 🤦♂️
wet belt is a stupid idea in general anyway
At which point did they change to a belt? because I found this answer from Cars Guide
"Ford’s popular PX Ranger (sold from 2011 to its replacement in 2022) marked a distinct move away from timing belt technology to drive the engine's inlet and exhaust cam. So, regardless of what engine your PX Ranger has fitted to it, the Ford Ranger timing belt or chain question is answered with a simple response: It’s a timing chain.
That means the timing chain should be good for the life of the vehicle and will not require replacement at regular intervals, unlike engines with a rubber drive belt belt, provided oil changes and other maintenance has been carried out properly. This gets around the rubber drive belt problems of periodical replacement and the associated cost.
This advice covers every PX Ranger engine, including the 3.2-litre five-cylinder diesel, the 2.2-litre four-cylinder diesel, the two-litre twin-turbo diesel and even the short-lived (2011 to 2015) 2.5-litre petrol engine."
The bi-turbo carried through to the PY series
i have a 2017 Ranger wildtrak, does this mean it has a timing chain as opposed to belt?
so what is this guy talking about?
PX3 Bi Turbo 2.0L from 2019 onwards is Wet Belt, 3.2 & 2.2 are chain, , all Next Gen Rangers are Timing Belt except the 4.0L Petrol EcoBoost which is chain.
So are there any aftermarket belt to chain kits on the market for the 2.0l yet?
Wouldn't be easier to buy a ute with a timing chain system? Like Dmax, tritón, Hilux etc
@@tacuazinfulnot if you own a wetbelt engine already.
@@tacuazinful hilux has a belt ..........well any s/h one I owned so far. has ......
@@georgedoorley5628 but is dry, a dry belt
Next step a tlink belt. Easier to remove at least.
I recommend not buying one
nice tip, do the the 3.2 5 cyl have belts or chain
Chain mate
2.2 and 3.2 are Duratorq engines which use chains. Only the new 2.0 Ecoblue engines use timing belt soaked with engine oil. My SC recommends to change at 180k km but some videos I watched have premature failure and most of them aren't even reach 100k km yet.
Its easy to criticise but i would say the majority of delivery vehicles are Ford Transit not vw,fiat,citreon why because of high mileage and reliability and economy so i rest my case
I'm confused. I thought that timing belts were nearly obsolete.
Ya because rubber belts need lubrication
What a disappointment I new the newer generation of rangers was going to be a disappointment
Do they do any research before releasing there vehicles any more?
Planned obsolescence
well thats dumb!
Cheap nasty cost cutting rip off I'd never buy another ford & in the 70-80s I owned 4 in the UK they were easy to fix & cheap to run
Just about every engine Ford has built with a wet timing / oil pump drive belt is going to fail catastrophically. What a mess.
when you getting the next gen v6 ranger?
when the V6 ecoboost gets a bit more affordable.
Built in repair cost
even 150k km is too much for wet belt
Absolute stupidest design for an engine
Sell the bloody thing today..
imma swap mine in 70-100k km
I will still buy a Ford coz I can afford to buy another car after 5 years and sell my unit. problem solved
Uh, except maybe you'll be selling it for a pittance because it'll need work done? Maintenance is a lot cheaper than a new ute surely?
@ u didn’t read my comment? I CAN AFFORD
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Sell before the engine dies..
Wow matz mechanic
Never ever would buy a ford pickup
Just don't buy one.
Ah ford, reinventing the wheel and making it a square. Garbage as usual from this marque.
How about just don’t buy such a shitbox
Ford europe c est vraiment toujours la meme merde...comme en camping car...
Ford across the line load of junk and as fir warranty you better get yourself good lawyer
Or don't buy a Ford. Problem solved.
What? I hope the Society of Automotive Engineers gave the guys that had this "genius." Wetdream😅 the boot !
No watch no real images. Bye
Wow matz mechanic is now international. Even english people admire him. 😮😮😮 🫰🏻