@@cynthiagibson6104 No they say what ever agrees with the quran is true:):):) But their quran is just simply stolen and totaly twisted Nothing in the Quran is true not even their Jesus(Isa)!!!!! Quran is pure hypocrissy sorry for my english
Lots of examples like the resurrection story, each author trying to fix the problems with the previous story. Jesus saying not to cast the first stone story, for example, is not found in earlier manuscripts. It was a later addition found to be fabricated.
@@DW8118 Depends on which part of the Bible you mean and there are lots of examples. With the Torah, the book mentions the "lying scribes" and many Rabbis believe there at least 18 places were changes were made, sometime between 450 and 350 BCE during the Second Temple period (tikkunei soferim). Various Midrashim, such as Tanchuma, Exodus Rabba, and Genesis Rabba, as well as many traditional commentators, such as Rashi and Minchat Shai unabashedly and explicitly accepted that the divine text was changed. They believed that those who made the change felt that their respect for God required that they hide the true text and portray God in a better light than what was in the original wording of the Bible. We can very clear see some of those changes (majorly sinful prophets? God telling men they could force women into marriage, the Hebrew word being used for rape in other places, men marrying the women they rape? That sounds like men and their desires writing and not from God. Do you believe those verse are from God? From Jesus?). As far as the New Testament goes, there's an issue with the originals being authentic to begin with. So not sure what the changes matter except they are further proof, the text was not divinely inspired as some claimed. In the manuscripts, there are changes that affect how different passages understand Christ. They're not just scriptural errors. Is Jesus human and became God? Was he human the whole time? Was he human and not God? Is he 50 percent of each? These debates are going on and scribes change their manuscripts in places that reflect the controversies. Bart Ehrman explains how the scribes sometimes change the text to make it amendable to the orthodox understanding of Jesus. Look at Mark 10: 17-19, for example, why do you call me good? This is an apparent denial (slightly different in Matthew) that isn't identifying himself as a divine being. Dale Martin, Bart Ehrman agree it looks like something historically Jesus said. Matthew changes it so it doesn't say what it says in Mark. Matthew says teacher, he puts good in a different place. Teacher, what good thing must I do" - It's applies to Jesus and applies to the thing he has to do and it makes the reply nonsense. Why do you ask me about the good? What is Jesus denying? Dale thinks it's a denial he's God. Or he's denying being good. They might gel together. It's not clear. What is the motive in Matthew changing it? What is he removing? Matthew doesn't like Jesus is claiming not to be good or not to be God or possibly both. Luke keeps it. Another example, like I mentioned of someone adding a story of Jesus saying to not cast the first stone. It's not found in any manuscript before the 5th century and the vasty majority before the 8th century. Who added it? No one knows who; no one knows who wrote the other manuscripts of John either before that. There are many examples but really just far too many issues.
UA-cam has hidden the 4 comments before this comment so I probably agree with them. Avery has to daily go over the same explanation because these people just don't understand what was said to the others on this topic.
@nschlaak Apparently talking about certain details of Jesus and Christianity in a postive way, somehow violates youtubes community guidelines. But saying negative things about Jesus or Christianity is deemed ok and acceptable.
If the gospel was hypothetically corrupted before muhammed, why would allah confirm a corrupted scripture? If after muhammed, I thought allahs words can’t be changed by anyone. Either way, the Quran is false
@ no prophet has been since the Bible. The Islamic teachers and scholars who realise these contradictions say the Bible is corrupted so it doesn’t compromise the validity of their texts, while they have no tangible non-quranic evidence to justify their position
Allah and Yahweh of the Old and New Testament are NOT the same God. The message for the redemption of mankind is not the same, therefore they cannot be the same God.
Your comment threw me off. If you would have ended the first sentence with "as the God of the Quran" my brain could have understood quicker. I may be slow but ialways get there. Lol!
Muhammad himself stated John is the Injeel according to Sirat Rasul Allah Heck, Muhammad acknowledged Paul as an apostle meanwhile Muslims do not agree, so Muhammad would have their heads...
surely by now in the 14 centuries of Islam someone would have made a comprehensive list of which verses of the new testament were "changed / corrupted" and which ones are not and Muslims can use! but the Quran NEVER sys that the scriptures were corrupted, sure it says some people wrote their own books and called them "scripture" 2v79 and some other s misquote with their tongues 3v78, but Muslims do that with the Quran all the time, but the ACTUAL TEXTS of the Bible have not been changed (we have copies in all centuries before during and since Islam to prove that) this is accusation of corruption is a modern myth because Muslims realise how much the Quran contradicts the Bible it affirms! check out the islamic Dilemma!
Actually it doesn’t mater what language Jesus spoke as he never wrote the gospel as told his disciples who later wrote it down or dictated it to their scribes either one most likely could read and write in Greek
Muhammad didn’t write the Quran either so what’s your point? Jesus Christ didn’t need to write the Gospels because the eyewitnesses to His life, teachings, death and resurrection wrote thereby documenting what happened. It is really hypocritical that people will accept what’s written about famous people like Caesar Augustus, Alexander the Great, Napoleon, George Washington as factual with no more documentation of eyewitness documentation than the Bible uses concerning Jesus Christ. So we can accept eyewitness documentation as factual about men, any about God we can’t. Hypocrisy.
@gingercake0907 agreed there’s little difference in how the bible was made as that of the Quran in fact from what I’ve heard the Quran was badly structured and inconsistent as well of being rewritten a number of times and full of abrogated sections where Mohamed changed his mined in contradiction of the claims of the faith ( not surprising as their average IQ is about 80 of most of them due to the amount of incestuous marriages )
@@gingercake0907What "Muhammad"?? We have no contemporary records of his existence, nor and records of his writings or sayings prior to at least 200 years after his alleged death. 😅 Furthermore, there are no accounts of a place called Mecca or any settlement in its place before the 9th century, so Mecca didn't exist in the 6th and 7th centuries, either. Therefore, Muhammad never existed.
Every Muslim you’ve debated, always say the Bible is corrupted while citing and or quoting the Bible. They never can tell you what the corruption is.
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@@cynthiagibson6104 No they say what ever agrees with the quran is true:):):) But their quran is just simply stolen and totaly twisted Nothing in the Quran is true not even their Jesus(Isa)!!!!! Quran is pure hypocrissy sorry for my english
"Our earliest manuscripts predate Muhammad"
"Those were corrupted too"
Lol
My thing is you guys allow yourselves to be dragged into these unnecessary debates with Muslims
They know how to draw you away from reality.
The corruption is any part that does not agree with their cvlt book.
Imagine the nonsense.
If the Bible was changed over the years. What verses were changed and what was the original verses?
Lots of examples like the resurrection story, each author trying to fix the problems with the previous story. Jesus saying not to cast the first stone story, for example, is not found in earlier manuscripts. It was a later addition found to be fabricated.
@@nunya54abdool😂😂which part and which verses are being change and who change it and when it has been change????
@@nunya54 this is abdool behavior
@@DW8118 Depends on which part of the Bible you mean and there are lots of examples. With the Torah, the book mentions the "lying scribes" and many Rabbis believe there at least 18 places were changes were made, sometime between 450 and 350 BCE during the Second Temple period (tikkunei soferim). Various Midrashim, such as Tanchuma, Exodus Rabba, and Genesis Rabba, as well as many traditional commentators, such as Rashi and Minchat Shai unabashedly and explicitly accepted that the divine text was changed. They believed that those who made the change felt that their respect for God required that they hide the true text and portray God in a better light than what was in the original wording of the Bible. We can very clear see some of those changes (majorly sinful prophets? God telling men they could force women into marriage, the Hebrew word being used for rape in other places, men marrying the women they rape? That sounds like men and their desires writing and not from God. Do you believe those verse are from God? From Jesus?).
As far as the New Testament goes, there's an issue with the originals being authentic to begin with. So not sure what the changes matter except they are further proof, the text was not divinely inspired as some claimed. In the manuscripts, there are changes that affect how different passages understand Christ. They're not just scriptural errors. Is Jesus human and became God? Was he human the whole time? Was he human and not God? Is he 50 percent of each? These debates are going on and scribes change their manuscripts in places that reflect the controversies. Bart Ehrman explains how the scribes sometimes change the text to make it amendable to the orthodox understanding of Jesus.
Look at Mark 10: 17-19, for example, why do you call me good? This is an apparent denial (slightly different in Matthew) that isn't identifying himself as a divine being. Dale Martin, Bart Ehrman agree it looks like something historically Jesus said. Matthew changes it so it doesn't say what it says in Mark. Matthew says teacher, he puts good in a different place. Teacher, what good thing must I do" - It's applies to Jesus and applies to the thing he has to do and it makes the reply nonsense. Why do you ask me about the good? What is Jesus denying? Dale thinks it's a denial he's God. Or he's denying being good. They might gel together. It's not clear.
What is the motive in Matthew changing it? What is he removing? Matthew doesn't like Jesus is claiming not to be good or not to be God or possibly both. Luke keeps it.
Another example, like I mentioned of someone adding a story of Jesus saying to not cast the first stone. It's not found in any manuscript before the 5th century and the vasty majority before the 8th century. Who added it? No one knows who; no one knows who wrote the other manuscripts of John either before that. There are many examples but really just far too many issues.
@@nunya54Show us the original verses to prove that indeed the resurrection etc were never there.
UA-cam has hidden the 4 comments before this comment so I probably agree with them. Avery has to daily go over the same explanation because these people just don't understand what was said to the others on this topic.
Yeah Allah runs yt so…….
Funny how YT censors any truth that goes against Islamic narrative but will never censor any mockery of Christianity that’s obviously wrong
@nschlaak
Apparently talking about certain details of Jesus and Christianity in a postive way, somehow violates youtubes community guidelines. But saying negative things about Jesus or Christianity is deemed ok and acceptable.
@@nschlaak my comment also got deleted. Apparently relating the Islamic god to the 😈 also gets you censored
@@jayjones4175 Lots of people do that; it's very illogical but it's said.
There was never revealed somthing to Jesus!!! Jesus is the reveletion himself
amen Jesus Christ of nazareth is the revelation of God, For He is Himself God and the Son of God the Father
If the gospel was hypothetically corrupted before muhammed, why would allah confirm a corrupted scripture? If after muhammed, I thought allahs words can’t be changed by anyone. Either way, the Quran is false
If after Mo, which prophet told the Mslims that it's now corrupt and where?
@ no prophet has been since the Bible. The Islamic teachers and scholars who realise these contradictions say the Bible is corrupted so it doesn’t compromise the validity of their texts, while they have no tangible non-quranic evidence to justify their position
It’s confirmation that Allah and Yahweh are not the same God.
An obstinate heart is real. Jesus is Lord and Savior.
Allah and Yahweh of the Old and New Testament are NOT the same God. The message for the redemption of mankind is not the same, therefore they cannot be the same God.
You wrote that well but I read it poorly the first time through (my fault). I completely agree with your assessment.
Your comment threw me off. If you would have ended the first sentence with "as the God of the Quran" my brain could have understood quicker. I may be slow but ialways get there. Lol!
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@@jorgeespinoza556 what fantasies?
@shanegarner7884
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Funny how all Muslims who talk about the Injeel independently arrive at exactly the same reasoning without any evidence
This idea of a supposed 'Injeel which is not The Gospel' was only invented recently. Their medieval scholars dont make such claims.
Muhammad himself stated John is the Injeel according to Sirat Rasul Allah
Heck, Muhammad acknowledged Paul as an apostle meanwhile Muslims do not agree, so Muhammad would have their heads...
surely by now in the 14 centuries of Islam someone would have made a comprehensive list of which verses of the new testament were "changed / corrupted" and which ones are not and Muslims can use! but the Quran NEVER sys that the scriptures were corrupted, sure it says some people wrote their own books and called them "scripture" 2v79 and some other s misquote with their tongues 3v78, but Muslims do that with the Quran all the time, but the ACTUAL TEXTS of the Bible have not been changed (we have copies in all centuries before during and since Islam to prove that) this is accusation of corruption is a modern myth because Muslims realise how much the Quran contradicts the Bible it affirms! check out the islamic Dilemma!
I listened to this stream a number of times for a good laugh. Hypocrisy in all its glory
Actually it doesn’t mater what language Jesus spoke as he never wrote the gospel as told his disciples who later wrote it down or dictated it to their scribes either one most likely could read and write in Greek
Jesus wrote it orally.
Muhammad didn’t write the Quran either so what’s your point? Jesus Christ didn’t need to write the Gospels because the eyewitnesses to His life, teachings, death and resurrection wrote thereby documenting what happened. It is really hypocritical that people will accept what’s written about famous people like Caesar Augustus, Alexander the Great, Napoleon, George Washington as factual with no more documentation of eyewitness documentation than the Bible uses concerning Jesus Christ. So we can accept eyewitness documentation as factual about men, any about God we can’t. Hypocrisy.
@gingercake0907 agreed there’s little difference in how the bible was made as that of the Quran in fact from what I’ve heard the Quran was badly structured and inconsistent as well of being rewritten a number of times and full of abrogated sections where Mohamed changed his mined in contradiction of the claims of the faith ( not surprising as their average IQ is about 80 of most of them due to the amount of incestuous marriages )
What you saying?.
@@gingercake0907What "Muhammad"?? We have no contemporary records of his existence, nor and records of his writings or sayings prior to at least 200 years after his alleged death. 😅
Furthermore, there are no accounts of a place called Mecca or any settlement in its place before the 9th century, so Mecca didn't exist in the 6th and 7th centuries, either.
Therefore, Muhammad never existed.
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The divine injil😂😂😂😂😂 WHAT??????😂😂😂😂
The only Historical Source : THE BIBLE we have