How to use UA Apollo w/ both Thunderbolt and FireWire to Swap Between Mac Pro and MacBook Pro
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- This video will show you how to simply switch your Universal Audio Apollo 16 or Apollo FireWire Firmware between Thunderbolt and FireWire on UAD v9.1 or later when you have the Thunderbolt option card installed.
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Brilliant, thanks…. takes away some of the worries where UA haven’t described it properly on their support pages. Kindest regards from London 🇬🇧 UK
Thank you!
You have no idea how much this has helped me.
Thanks for a great time… and great Video.
Awesome! Thanks!
Thanks so much for doing this video. Helped alot🤝🙌🏼
Awesome, thanks!
Thank you for this video! You saved my ass! I got bad info from UA that I could use my 1st Generation Apollo 16 firewire with Thunderbolt card, and switch back and forth, but they never told me I needed to be in the TB card and do the firmware downgrade..... I've been beating my head because in Firewire mode my Quad Core would't recognize the Apollo.... Thanks for your video!
Awesome!
Thanks Matt, looking forward to more videos! Greetings from Australia
Thank you!
I was looking for an solution for my windows version. I only could find this option with my Mac :)
Thx for the Video. I also own a MacPro2010 with FW and a MacBookPro with TB.
Today I got my TB3 Card for only $200.--! Nice.
Awesome! Enjoy!
Hello. Thanks for this video. I would like to know if you still using the apollo silver and if you know what about using the thunderbolt 3 card and if it is posible to connect a FireWire Satellite in the chain and how! I’m upgrading my system, recently bought the tb3 option card but I need to kwnow what I need to still using my FireWire Satellite. Adaptors, OS X, etc. Thanks for your help.
Yes, the TB3 card works great. Unfortunately, the TB firmware disables the Firewire ports, so you'll need to use adapters --> TB3 to TB2 --> TB2 to Firewire.
@@MattHepworth thanks for your answer. Greetings!
Thank you! I was stressed with the Used 16 I just bought
Question..... cant u use a Apple Thunderbolt to FireWire Adapter 4 UAD & use a firewire cable to connect to a older mac ??
Sort of. You can use a TB to Firewire adapter to run in Firewire mode on macOS 10.15 and earlier. All firewire restrictions apply and you can't mix and match units or use Big Sur or later.
Nice to know but what cable do you use? is it a Thunderbold to FireWire cable? or an Adapter Apple Thunderbolt-to-FireWire-adapter
I used both a firewire and thunderbolt cable, so depending on what part in the video you mean, it could be either, or both. I did not use a FW to TB adapter at all, though. Thanks!
Hi I noticed that you had the thunderbolt Wire and the FireWire plugged into your computer at the same time at a point, what puzzles me is at the back of the Apollo on it only has one thunderbolt connection?
Should be two. It's the original Thunderbolt card in this one, but still has two ports. Both can be connected if you're on the Thunderbolt firmware because Firewire ports are disabled on the unit while on TB firmware.
@@MattHepworth Ok Thanks for the reply I appreciate it
hey there, quick question. Which version of UAD are you running? Thanks
This was an older one. Probably UAD v8 or early v9
Great video, very helpful!
On a related subject, can I plug in a firewire SSD to the TB2 port in my Silver Quad using an Apple FW-TB adapter?
Muchas Gracias!!!, excelente video, no hay informacion al respecto de este tipo de conexion!! Saludos desde Argentina!
Thank you! Glad it was helpful!
What happenes if your Mac only has thunderbolt inputs can you use a fired wire chord to a thunderbolt adaptor
On Catalina and older you can.
@@MattHepworth thanks
So how did you get it to work.
Thanks for this video!! You answer some questions!!! Now that I have new iMac has FireWire and thunderbolt wich you recomend me to use I been you FireWire for 3 year now and was just fine does the thunderbolt is much faster or what? Thanks again...
Firewire does totally fine. However, with the TB version you can do LiveTrack inside the DAW as well as have customizable I/O for the CoreAudio driver.
Do I need both FireWire and Thunder bolt to operate the older Apollo?
It depends on what OS you're using. Starting with Big Sur firewire is effectively killed, so Thunderbolt only there. If you want to switch to an older OS you can use either.
While switching from TB to FW I accidentally unplugged the cable and now I have a total brick and it won’t boot at all. Been trying to get it fixed for a while gonna have to send it to UA and I know it’s gonna cost big time
That's bad news! You might try removing the TB card and see if it'll work, but do whatever UA suggests. Bummer.
@MattHepworth That's the whole issue, UAD is not known for their help unless you're buying something new, one would assume they could easily re-flash the chip that holds the Firmware and I'm back in business but it appears that I am the only person in the history of ever that this has happened to so I know they are going to rip me a new on, I took out the TB card, did a reset and still bricked.
I was attempting to switch from FW to TB and during the update I accidentally unplugged the TB cable and now I have a useless device, I'm pretty sure UA is gonna $ma$h me with taking 15 seconds to fix it. It's Saturday night I can't do my podcast and UA takes forever to answer the phone so no help tonight no help tomorrow and Monday I'll be spending over $150 to ship this thing to and from.....this absolutely sucks, I wanna throw this thing in the lake, drag it out and throw it back in. Why can't they just make it simple like if you plug up a FW the device says OK and if you decided to go TB he device says OK. All of this reversing out the firmware in 2020 is ridiculous for something that cost so much. I spent $499 on the TB card and now the whole unit is a BRICK
my 2011 MacBook Pro just died ( RIP) - I bought a New iMac and cannot figure out how to NOW connect my Apollo Twin MK II to the new iMac - can I just buy an adapter - if so - which one ? Does an adapter slow things down -vs- getting 1 (one) cable - and again - which cable/adapter do I need from the Apollo to the New iMac? thank you
So, on a new iMac with TB3 you'll need an Apple TB3 to TB2 adapter and that should do it!
Great info! Do you know if the i/o matrix setup appears in the settings when you change from firewire to thunderbolt 3?
Thanks! Yes, I/O matrix is available in settings once you switch to TB.
Hello , i have just bought apollo quad , it has a thunderbolt card in and i thing running thunderbolt firmware , how can i flash it back as i have a Mac Pro firewire ports only . do i have to have both cables attached to flash from thunderbolt to firewire ? i also have a MacBook pro but that only has thunderbolt connections so I'm not sure what to do ?
Thanks
Connect to the MacBook with TB only and select the Firewire Firmware change from the UAD meter like the video. Then, connect it Firewire to your Mac Pro and you're good to go! You don't need both cables connected at once. I just did it for the video.
@@MattHepworth Great Thank you
What year my friend I have a late 2013 MacBook
With the 2013 you can use either. Thunderbolt is considered the better connection, while firewire is compatible with older systems or systems that don't have Thunderbolt (anything before late 2011).
Can I plug a thunderbolt 3 to thunderbolt 2 adapter into the back of my apollo then a thunderbolt 2 to my 2015 Mac? I, for the life of me can not find a clear way to set this up, and I just want to be sure
Yes, this will work. The Apple branded adapter is bi-directional.
Great video! Do you know if it’s possible to have the FireWire port going into the Mac Pro tower and the thunderbolt going in to the MacBook Pro and record on 2 systems via 1 interface?
It's not. One one can be active at all. In fact, the Thunderbolt firmware disables the Firewire connection entirely. However, you could use Console's direct outs to feed another system from the same inputs (example of feeding an ADAT interface on another system from the same signals sent directly to the Apollo's ADAT outs via Console).
Off topic question: UAD support site " Apple Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter Notes-
The Apple Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt adapter (Product ID: MMEL2AM/A) has been found to be incompatible with certain Windows systems in our internal testing. As a result, we do not recommend this adapter for Windows Thunderbolt systems." Question: Any idea if there is a descent thunderbolt to firewire option out there anywhere? Thanks!
The only options I've seen are TB3 to TB2 to Apple Firewire. 3 adapters.
Will the Apollo Firewire work with either the UA TB2 or TB3 PC cards? (or only the TB2 card?)
You can use any of the three Apollo TB card options for Mac, but if you're on Windows only the only supported option is the TB3 option card.
@@MattHepworth Awesome, thanks very much for the quick reply!
Happy to help!
THANKS!!!!
I did everything here but not getting the thunderbolt update when i plug in my thunderbolt cable and turn the UAD back on
Which Thunderbolt card do you have installed in your Apollo?
@@MattHepworth my dad let me know that the port on my mac is actually not thunderbolt its mini displayport. Thats why it wouldnt work.
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hello, please help me, my silver card 8 channels Thunderbolt and FireWire, it does not allow me to connect the thunderbolt to my imac how do you do so that the software can recognize the thuderbolt card, I updated the software to the latest version of this year, what should I do I reset it, delete it, I reinstalled the software and nothing .. only the firmware and the thunder card works .. it does not read it, thanks
The way it's shown in the video should work. What year is the iMac? Does it actually need Firewire or Thunderbolt?
@@MattHepworth i need to activate thunderbolt, imac 2013 mojave
silver apollo card, it has fireware and thunderbolt, I had it in another imac 2010 computer with fireware, now I am with a new 2013 computer
I’d like to see him use her you 80 set up and Apollo with your HD system. Can you just go in via ADAT?
Sorry HD Pro Tools setup
I'll do a quick vid, if I get a chance. Yes, connect to the computer, pull up Console and route the inputs directly to the ADAT outputs. In PTHD just record from the ADAT ins on the HD I/O or Digi 192.
What thunderbolt was connected 2 or 3 (aka) usb-c?
Original TB, but it doesn't matter which card you have.
Thanks for this! Do you now if this will still work between a PC (Firewire) and a Mac (TB)? I've been using an Apollo Firewire with my PC, but am going Mac soon. If I could use FW AND TB across operating systems, that'd be beyond amazing! I read once upon a time that once you put in a TB card, FW was rendered inoperable. That's apparently a myth...
The Thunderbolt firmware does disable the Firewire connection, until you select the revert to Firewire option.
@@MattHepworth Can you just pull the Thunderbolt card out to have the firewire work ??????
I believe so. I've always reverted first, though.
i have a apollo firewire quad but with the firewire i have no more connection... now i have a macbook with thunderbold ports. do you think, if i buy a firewire to thunderbold adapter that that should work? or buy a thunderbold card...
would be interesting to know
If you don't have the TB card in your Apollo you can connect it to a Thunderbolt port by using the Firewire to Thunderbolt adapter. This will still run as Firewire, but will use the Thunderbolt port on the MacBook.
@@MattHepworth have you confirmed this works? UA's website says it won't, but I suspect they just want to sell $500 thunderbolt cards.
Not quite sure what you're seeing on the UA site. Apollo will work *as FireWire* on a Mac Book Pro by using a FireWire to Thunderbolt adapter for computers that don't have a FireWire port, but do have Thunderbolt.
@@MattHepworth ah shit, yep I went back and re-read and you're right - they were talking about the other way around (ie apollo w/ thunderbolt to mac firewire port) - that's great news, and this information has been hard to find.
Do you think this also works with Apollo Twin MK II DUO ?
Apollo Twin Mk II only works over Thunderbolt, so you would be able to connect to any Thunderbolt equipped computer just fine, but you couldn't connect to a system that doesn't have Thunderbolt.
Look at this, it seems that U can , with an adapter thunderbolt-firewire to do it, but i m not sure....here , it links U to buy an adapter , so I suposse u can...
help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/articles/206502333-Apollo-Twin-Thunderbolt-Mac-Compatibility
I don t know if it works, so I m looking information too about this...The adapter www.apple.com/shop/product/MD464LL/A/apple-thunderbolt-to-firewire-adapter?fnode=29eadc21ea0d3bb142f05f2f6cc62ab5d2f556a561033e157dffa7a86bb75e82941d7db6e00bf9e50882adf7500af953e6f95b111c930c84c3083b4a57c9314bb7d37c1a8ea8f0f16ca7db97dd30d2c2add58ce050061b46996682c8ab502f36
Looking for some information it seems that only works if u connect thunderbolt on computer , and firewire from audio device...
Twin mk II can only run via Thunderbolt. The article is indicating you can also use Firewire UAD Satellites along side the Twin, but the Twin cannot be connected to Firewire and work. It requires thunderbolt.
Can FireWire trivk work on pc
I haven't tried on PC. FireWire works great on PC, but TB may take a little more work to get stable.
sure that works, if you have mac with both firewire and thunderbolt, BUT: if you only have firewire on your mac, you‘re in trouble. because for switsching to firewire youll need thunderbolt which you obviously dont have, why else would you wanna switch? how stupid is that? sorry, ua, bad engeneering and so not in the world of the users