Greenhouse Heating, Raised Beds, and a New Sugar Shack
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Would heat the planting trays to germination and true leaf. Heavy mulch beds under soil layer and on top to create heat to grow. Pallet wood is great. Free is lovely. You may find that the green house extension is really a building right next to a building with excess inside. Fun to see your winter greenhouse active! ❤️🌱
OMG! Those two little goats are adorable.
New to your channel, just came across it this morning in my suggested videos. About to start the build on our greenhouse. :)
Thanks for your inspiration sir. You encouraged me to finally finish my greenhouse project. I bought it almost 3 years ago and had some health problems pop up shortly after buying it. Everytime I watch your videos I got this guilty feeling that I need to finish mine. Well now its finished! Ours is housing chickens this winter!
Cool ideas fella, if it was down to me I'd be considering making the sugar shack as a completely separate building and possibly running the water lines (insulated) from your boiler underground and up in to your green house, your extractor fan in the sugar shack then won't affect the temp of the green house. Good luck with what ever you decide and I look forward to seeing your vids about it 👍🏻👍🏻
That little goat you carried is beautiful and a mess I can tell. I just started watching your channel and I just started a channel of my own. Which winter timing wasn't the best. But anyways I can relate to you guys alit. And ready to learn about your maple syruping. That's going to be new to my list of things to do this winter. Thank you and blessings
Wall off a "room " in your existing greenhouse for your sugar operation using pallets. This will allow the spaces to be separate. Add a door for access and put the boiler next to exterior wall. If you don't want to loose space in your GH extend it. Keep up hard work.
i think the lean-to ideal is a good idea as it will be the easiest to set up for your pallets some plywood to fill in the differenses in the roofs. just use 2 and a half pallets on one side you can also use the south side with lots of windows i would leave the wall in the green house and just put doors where the windows are now the windows in the south side will allow light and venilation for your syrup production i like the idea of putting an overhang over the furnace door perhaps even clear across the end to store wood under . good luck looking forward to seeing the final outcome . we are going to put up a craft workshop for my wives craft business with a 20 x 24 steel carport as the base stucture hope to send you our outcome
Good info keep it coming Sir Happy Hollyday's to you and your Family !!
Love the idea of seperate sugar shack. If you could find a way to vent the steam from the sugar to the greenhouse that would help with the temps and moisture for the plants. Just remember that heat rises so maybe. Vents along the ground...
You could plant a lot of cold hsrder veggies like lettuces, spinach, beets, carrots etc. all winter long in there.
You can start some seedlings in there as early as. Mid January.
If you put a layer of hay at the bottom of the beds before adding soil that will help with the heat as well... As if breaks down it will generate heat from the bottom and over time add nutrients back into the soil.... If you can get your hand on chicken wire to lay on the ground as a base that will help keep some of the rodents from digging under and eating everything... Unless you move a cat in there for pest control.
Big project. Looking forward to watching the progress 👍👍👍
I'm super impressed! Lots of BIG plans. Excited to see what develops.
You could always use pvc again and make a arch with it wall to wall like the greenhouse but a shallower arch to closer match the height of the greenhouse. You'd need a support beam for sure the shallower arch won't support as much as the full half circle but it should be plenty strong. Try to use the biggest pvc you can manage to bend.
if you build a raised bed in the center of green house may consider alt select thru the raise bed to capture lost heat while not introducing abnormal humidity
I like the idea of the raised bed down the middle. Tying them into your center posts will sturdy them up for the wind problem. As far as the sugar shack, MAYBE a 2 room design?!? One for the boiler and one for the evaporator. I'm sure you'll come up with a good design! Good luck.
Can’t wait to see what you come up with. You’ll make it work either way. Thanks for sharing😎
use tin siding. it will not save money but it will save you a ton of time. stand the pallets vertical. it should be a fun project.
You really need to figure out a way to take those pallets apart easy and quick. I like the shake siding best. I think it would be the easiest.
May 8th was the wind storm my neighbor lost his brand new roof on his equipment shed! They didn't have the facia and soffit on yet!I lost a sugar maple!
You asked for ideas so...there is a lifting lug on top of your boiler,use your fel on the tractor to lift it enough to build a sled underneath it and drag it into position. I would prefer the pallets on end using the 2x4's like wall studs bearing the weight of the roof onto the block foundation. Don't forget about a snow load.You can probably mill some smaller trees into siding and 4x4 posts on your table saw to support the center of a gabled roof.Plan B- a bunch of Harbor Freight recip blades (you can re-sharpen them when they wear down)to cut pallet slats for siding.Looks like you have enough room for a raised bed in the center of the g h and pallet tables on black 55 gal drums along the walls for your thermal mass.I'm thinking you would want a partition between the shack and g h to vent the steam outside.Just sayin';-)
I haven’t seen your animal structures but I would think if you put a 2 x 4 vertically in between your pallets it would add a lot of strength and prevent the top and bottom pallet from kind of hinging
turn your pallets on end then you can run 2x4s down thru the openings to ancor drive the 2x4 into the ground.
Use the wood boiler run 1/2 inch pex in the raised bed. Put rock on bottom then a loop(s) throu the raised bed to keep them warm and then a radiator for the green house warm air.As well as the barrels. Put a solar circulating pump on slow run non stop throu the cold months. Just an idea.Why cant you put boiler in the candy shack with the door to feed wood on outside.
Love the idea of a sugar shack out back, but I would do this if it was my project. Leave the greenhouse as is, maybe dress up that end to match the sugar shack. I would not attach the sugar shack to the greenhouse or tear down your wall. The structures will not match up so structurally, your sounder as two separate structures. Build a funky pallet sugar shack that you can market, put a walkway between the two structures with a roof runway if you like, but treat them as two separate entities. You will thank me in the end. Two different atmospheres between greenhouse and sugar shack. You can still draw heat and even humidity into greenhouse if you like with a small fan and even a large pvc or stove pipe if that is what you desire. With your ideas for greenhouse, your going to get a lot more use out it and I think you would be happier having two entities instead of one trying to do double duty.
Think of your sugar shack and greenhouse in terms of farm tour's and lectures. It won't be long before buses of people will want to join you and pitch in. Make it fun and over build to accommodate the Lord's blessings coming your way!
He's wanting to share the boiler in both structures.
You could go vertical with the 2x then rather than stacking another so high maybe go to a Gambrel roof?
I had gone to a big lumber store and asked if i could have the palletts they didn't need and the pwner charged me the price ofa delivery and delivered ti my propery 70 palletts and brought onto his truck the machine to unload them, that was a nice surprise, I thought he was bringing 20, lol!
What if you ran copper pipes through the maple syrup evaporator with your own water pump and used that as your water heat source. You could use the bucket of water in the greenhouse as the sump to let the pressure out. Not a submersible pump, maybe an in-line pump. Maybe flip the fan around so the steam from the evaporator can be blown into the greenhouse or possibly build the shack on the air intake side of the greenhouse. The warm humid air would help the plants out
use pallet slats to fill in the gaps the do you shiplap over that
I say dig deep. Use the power of the constant underground temperature.
My idea is door from gh to structure. So you can close it when venting maple steam. Gh then Your structure then two doorways at end. One for door and one for boiler. Continue roof out and put a wall at end of that roof. Put a side wall on witchever gets wind. Store wood in there and your out of weather when tending the fire. Oh ya. Vertical sibing like shake i think that would work well. Hope this helps.
That is kind of what I am thinking, great idea!
At the same time i looked around for lumber they had thown out of the way that was perfect for me and blue 1'' insulation that had maybe a corner missing, I got 23 sheets of that 2x8
hey brother I was homeless for a while and so I have not been able to keep in touch the back wall of your green house I would keep some frame work on the end so if the wind picks up it will help support it better if you used some boiler registers along the sides of the green house it come up meet in the middle and come down heating it better you can get some used in good shape sometimes the steam make a hood like the ones over the stove use wood stove piping and put a flue on it close it some and that would help keep more heat in and you can close it when your not using it. I use the point roof to get the water off better hope it helps you out if you want to pick my brain on something ask and I'll try to help
Great ideas and so glad to hear from you!!
thank you if you want to pick my brain on something just write
I know this sounds dumb try on a small scale elevating your raised bed filling the bottom with chicken manure and fill with topsoil and keep it wet! A hotbed means having a bottom in it and a drain because the manure tea will drain out the bottom so you can recycle the water and so forth. The manure on the other hand should stay good with the continued water for 3 or 4 months which you can transplant or harvest unless your growing root crops? You must keep a way to keep the water into the manure to keep the the compost heating.Pig manure will work also but the tea may be very tearful with ammonia! Hot beds are very labor intensive but so is cutting and splitting firewood .
That's what I did, the long way, find at the lumber store a 16 foot palletts for the roof, I usrd the beautiful pallett boards for siding
Put the pallets on their side and a 2 x 4 between each pallet then you can get more pitch on the roof without making it so high and the siding will seal up better
Would you consider just buying a smaller green house but same size/height of the current greenhouse and attach that as the sugar shack? Might not be free like pellets but WAY less work? Means your not going to be worried about it falling down or not being water tight etc.
Those baby goats. I want.
Thumbs up for the baby goats.
I know that you said you have looked into rocket mass heaters before, but Darwin on the Honey Do Carpenter channel has a new type that addresses all the concerns you said you had with that system. I know that your old heater is free, but it wouldn't hurt to check it out. His system is tiny, and much more efficient and effective than any other design I'V ever seen. I know I was impressed, and I don't impress easily.
Just about every video I've seen of people heating with RMH they're wearing coats or thick sweaters in the house. Even people sitting on the thermal bench will have a blanket. Just watching the video makes me want to throw some more wood in my stove.
@@hughbrackett343 check out dirtpatch heaven, she has an aircrete rocket mass heater built by Darwin from Honey Do Carpenter that is unlike any I've ever seen before. On some of the videos she is actually complaining of being too hot. You will have to go back in the archives since she is currently in a different state because her husband is taking classes there.
I did a shed roof 3/12
Love your ideas.. But something came to my mind,what happens for solutions say if the boiler suddenly went crazy and spewing hot saps everywhere? Can that never happen?
The thing with pallets is that in using them in a project like this the only saving grace is the price, but the pallets are only free if your time is worth nothing.
Are you going to have a roof on the sugar shack? I'm not exactly sure what it being built. If you are going to put a roof you really want to have some structural supports in this, not just stacked pallets. If you are going to make it like a pole barn and use the pallets as infill, that would work, but it seems like a lot of work.
My concern too is the support of the roof. You get a lot of snow. The dimensions of the sugar shack may require supports about every 8' or so. Pallets are a great resource for your animal sheds, but I am concerned about their life. You want to use this shack for years. Consider purchasing a small pole barn vs. your labor and pallets. I too like the idea of 2 separate entities of the greenhouse and sugar shack. Consider a pallet roof over the feeding door of the furnace. You will stay dry when feeding it. Love following you. You are a unique individual and very smart. You will think this through and make the wises choice. God bless.
you should do a pellet stove. still burns wood but can be controlled by thermostat
with all the time you need to work the greenhouse and sugar shack, where will you find time for the amount of wood for the furnace.???? have you thought about solar water heating panels to heat the water your circulating.????
I wish i had a "lawnmower" that i could just let loose and let it do its thing.
love it,,here where I live (Southern Va), its hard to find free pallets....love your channel
Are you still going to start a Christmas tree farm? Where you talked about last year. I would be really interested, because that is something I want to start soon.
Overhead exhaust sounds pretty good, but I'm a bit leery about putting barrels up like that and filling them with heavy sap or syrup. I don't know about you, but I just wouldn't feel safe with all that weight supported by cobbled together pallets. Maybe you could look into barrel rack designs, put one against a wall. I've seen them for rainwater collection that look pretty good. I'm sure they could be adapted to sap and syrup storage.
Oh goodness, it looks like that shed roof could use a little T.L.C. too. Oh yeah, old place with LOTS of little problems to be addressed.
Great video as always. One question. Won't a metal roof and all the steam from evaporator cause some indoor"rain,"?
Well it might, but I hope I can get a good hood fan to suck out the steam and not make rain in there!
As someone who studied structural engineering, I have to say that the roof concerns me. If you make the sugar shack as big as shown, the roof will need more support than the pig shelter. The stress on the 2x4 ties in the pallet roof basically increases Exponentially with an increasing roof span. I would think 2x6 roof rafters spaced about 20 inches apart (or 41 inches if using 2x8s) would be needed - as a minimum - under the roof pallets, especially considering the snow load. And the ridge beam should be at least a double 2x6. The component that may fail otherwise may not even be the 2x4s, but the screws holding them on. I've had several deck screws fail on my raised bed sides, apparently due to expanding wet wood or wet wood expanding when freezing.
I am concerned about that also, thinking of a double 2x6 beam for the ridge and then 2x4 rafters to stabilize the pallets better. Will use screws and nails and longer connecting pieces also
@@SSLFamilyDad I still think that 2x4s are not strong enough to last years, or a big snowfall - unless they are spaced closer together than 20 inches, and-or the span is decreased. Maybe make it less than 18 feet wide? Being able to use 8 foot 2x4s would be a plus, and it might look better if it doesn't protrude past the sides of the hoophouse.
I look forward to seeing it come together!
@@SSLFamilyDad Could the exhaust fans be reversed? - Only if the smoke from the fire(s) are completely captured and removed by a chimney though!
The fans could help warm the hoophouse, and of course, you could use the end wall of the hoophouse as one wall of the sugar shack. If the fans make a negative pressure in the sugar shack, it might draw smoke into both structures, so, I don't know..
Maybe put a slight overhang over Wood Boiler so you can load without getting water inside the door when you load?
A hood with an inline fan over the evaporator I think would cure the vapor problem but not remove all your heat ?
Can you make the roof of the sugar shack with the same plastic you used for the greenhouse? because if you want to start seeds in there wouldn’t you need a lot of light?
I would like the sugar shack to be darker. For the maple syrup supplies I don't want algae, heat, and a lot of sunlight to break down the plastic taps and buckets during the off season as this is where it will be stored.
How about black plastic. It will help with heat.
ugh, you're not a wolverine fan? Anyway, this is something of massive interest to me as we will be moving to northern Idaho.
What if you kept a few animals to help keep the heat?
you can make some type of hood to take the steam out of building over the evaporator
What if you sided it with greenhouse plastic?
Nice vid dude!
Why 1 bed in the center what not 2 smaller ones on each side against the plastic? Instead of one 4 feet wide you chave 2 2 or 3 feet wide. Center of the building is wear you work. The smaller ones you can run the heat lines behind the beds less likely be under foot there.
Also i cant remember or find the video (probably just blind) did you used 6mm polly for your greenhouse? Such an amazing structure im going to coppy it this spring.
Come spring please more timelapses of your field work. I have watched last years so many times my family would appreciate another set this year if you are able to. You do amazing work i very much appreciate your channel.
Thanks! I wanted to keep the main raised bed in the center so I can grow taller plants such as tomatoes a d pole beans there and secure them to the beam. I plan to build tables along the sides for seedlings and leafy green planting
@@SSLFamilyDad oh! Like the seed starting table you mentioned. yes, i did not think about tomatoes. Exelent point.
I can't help but notice the lack of snow you have. I could ask the big guy to share our snow with you ?
No no, you keep that snow, lol
We could use some over in southwest Michigan. Itd be nice to see that white money falling.
Would you place the the heater not close to the greenhouse? You lose less heat I tink.
Slope the roof to the south if you're considering solar.
1 goat depending on breed will clean that up in a day!
It's probably been discussed already in a previous video but, what breed of goats do you have? Are you milking? If so, how's the milk fat of that milk?
I hate to be the critic who offers criticism without alternative suggestions, but I suspect that the heating needs of your Greenhouse are going to vastly exceed the production capacity of your sugar house or the energy you have to keep it operating.
Perhaps if you had deep mobil cold boxes that you placed inside the greenhouse wich you filled with decaying plant matter you could get enough heat through natural decay?
The mama goat is looking for her babies!!! Knowing you, your project will be good! You're good at making something out of nothing! LOL
See LDSPrepper as he built a greenhouse self sustaining system with very little need for electric. What he did was brilliant.
He used geothermal and that is something I may do if I have the equipment and money next year
I was having a really hard time looking for terrarium plants and mosses. Maybe you could grow some of that in your greenhouse.
Won't a goat just tear through that plastic? They destroy everything. >.
Well...I was hoping they wouldn't lol. They did pretty good in there and I don't think their horns are sharp enough to hurt the plastic
Have you thought about a thermal mass rocket stove?