Thanks for the overwhelming response to this video, as well as our other videos on The Real Gunsmith Channel! We appreciate your comments and questions. Due to the volume of the comments and questions, some which would take some time to answer, we just don’t have the time to respond to them all. However many of the questions will be answered in future videos. Our first priority is to our paying clients. Writing out long answers would take time away from that, and I won’t put them “on hold” to post long answers here. If you have questions about getting gun work done or a custom rifle built, contact us at randyselby@randyscustomrifles.com. I have a wide range of prices for custom rifles so even the “average Joe or Josephine” can get into a custom package, just as accurate as the higher end rifles. For our detractors, we appreciate your difference of opinion, too, but I stand by my decades of experience. To all of you, thanks again for your overwhelming support. Stay tuned! God bless you all. Randy and Cathy
Thank you for this vid. Being an animal lover and hunter I appreciate hearing another reminding us of our responsibilities. God gave mankind dominion over all animals. We must do what is right in his eyes. I have found most hunters to be some of the most responsible people, but we can always be reminded of our duties. Thanks again
Your spot on! The real benefit of velocity is a better ability to place the bullet within a reasonable range. I think 400 yards is a pretty fair poke, I had a 550 yard range for a long time, and a lot of my friends who could "kill a deer at 700 yards" couldn't hit a target at 400.
There's a huge difference between being able to hit a target, and having the energy to kill. Thanks for sharing and I agree with everything you've said. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
I am also a gunsmith and there is nothing I love more than to talk to a great old Gunsmith like yourself, wisdom is learned not taught. You are not just a Master Gunsmith but a great man that is what this world is short of is men of wisdom and understanding.
Jack O'Connor famous hunter and outdoor writer in days past wrote: The .270, is "the most remarkable rifle I ever had" (a Model 70 Winchester Featherweight, remodeled by Alvin Biesen). His pet load is 62 grains of H4831 and the 130 grain Nosler.. quote- " the velocity averages 3,140 in the 22-inch barrel. If I am having a good day, let the barrel cool a bit between shots, and take pains to hold the rifle the same for each shot, it will keep five shots in an inch or slightly over".... I found this information and thought some would find it interesting.. Also Jack didn't shoot big game over 500 yards, most were take at much less of a distance..
Randy, I really appreciate your sensible and experienced voice. Literally a voice crying out from the wilderness, lol. I miss living in WY, not only because of the beauty, but because of so many sensible people like you.
We need more hunters thinking the way you honestly compassionately put respect out there for any game animal. Would love to sit with you at the coffee table sharing more thoughts
Crazy that some hunters want to brag about how far away they shot their game. You would think a hunter would want to brag about how close they were able to get to their game. I was taught from a young age to get as close as you can to make an ethical shot. My first archery hunt i passed up a 5x5 because my range finder died and i was still terrible at guessing range. The last thing i wanted to do was wound a mature buck just for him to die later.
Randy, you ever hear of M.D. Ward? A gun maker out of Long Beach, CA. He was in the 40's thru the 60's that I know of. Thanks, Keep your videos coming.
@@TheRealGunsmith I have one of his custom built 30-06's on a 98 Mauser with a thinner 24 inch barrel. It's a very nice sporterized Mauser. First two shots touch, while the 3rd spreads out, but still remains just under an inch -This with basic factory ammo. I really like it. The accessories like the butt pad, sling rings and scope mounts match a1960's arra buiild. His name and what not, are engraved in the barrel. The rifling seems deeper then current rilfing in my new rifles. I killed a very nice 300" full velvet bull elk at 170 yards with a 180 grain partion in the neck, at the base of its skull. Zero meat damage. The hunt was a deperdation hunt. The Lord helps me in my hunts. Jesus is King. Thanks Randy -take care. May the Lord strengthen and bless you and your hands. Just as He did with temple builders who refined and hammered gold into thread.
I have hunted all my life and still continue to do that even though it's not as easy for me at 76 years of age now.. Elk hunting i had to stop hunting them as it became more than i could deal with physically .. When i started out hunting when i was 16 years old i hunted deer and black bear using a Win. 94 in 30-30 for around 4 years .. My choice of rifles was a Mauser 98 bolt action with custom stock , a local gunsmith had rebarreled two for me ..I agree with you on the scope tech at the time there wasn't really much to choose from.. I will say this at the time 1960's no one i hunted with was trained in long range shooting as we see it today ..I bought my first Weatherby Mark V rifle in 1973 and really enjoyed it fine quality and with correct loads it shot very well.. I never shot at the range with it over the 350 yard mark , even at that range i felt that was as far as i wanted to push my skills as i feel it's not fair to shoot at any big game animal if i can't make positive bullet placement in the killing area .. So as the years have gone by i only killed two Elk bulls just under the 390 yard mark ( a range finder seemed very useful so i bought one).. The second bull was 370 something both were shoulder hits .. Even though i have watched several hunting videos of hunters taking big game animals at all the way out to 1,000 yards with only one shot .. I have never fired any of my rifles over 400 yards and with my hunting experience at game animals , it's too large a risk of wounding any animal and then it suffers somewhere and dies .. Sure i could spend the money and buy a scope that all i have to do it range the animal , adjust the scope and fire away.. Nope that's not me , i will never do that ..There is too many huge factors that can go wrong .. My hunting partner of over 45 years who has passed away said it well too i thought , keep your shots under 300 yards max on big game have some respect for the animals you hunt..He is still right ..
The problem today it seems is that people see game as a "target" and not game. They get used to shooting steel that is stationary and misplace shots too many times.
Spot on regarding the loss of respect for game. I grew up in Cheyenne and grew up hunting everything we had out there. From Antelope in the minuteman missile fields north of Cheyenne to Elk up in your neck of the woods. I've always limited myself to 450-500 yds max. Now...I DO shoot high power matches and CAN shoot 600yds with my .300WM or .280Rem. But I won't. I'll do what I can to get closer...and 80% of the time I can. People often confuse the two disciplines(target shooting/hunting) and believe that if they can hit a piece of plate steel at 800yds means they can punch through the shoulder of a bull elk at the same. It's just not right. My Dad did MANY poaching cases out in Wyoming as director of the state crime lab back in the 70's. Said many of the found game were obviously shot at long, long range due to the lack of bullet expansion/penetration. People just plain don't care nowdays. They'll take shots which they have no business taking...just in the hopes they'll get something to hang on the wall.
My elk and moose rifle is my 30.06 commercial mauser Centurion 123 . 180 grain gmx set 5 inches high at 100 yards for a 300 yards zero. 3x9x40 nikon prostaff scope with duplex reticle is perfect.
Have just subscribed and enjoying the wisdom. I completely agree that a lot of long range hunting it totally unethical. If you can't stalk in a lot closer there would normally be something wrong with your hunting skills.
Love listening to you're commentary and have never heard you say anything I don't agree with. Thanks for sharing your years of experience. So...I guess you need around 1500 lb/ft of energy for Whitetail? I was thinking I had heard over 1200 before but don't remember. I rarely get a shot over 125 yds so It don't really matter to me but I have younger guys that I try to teach at times.
Larry Robinson, I appreciate your comments. 1500 is great, but for whitetail 1200 will be fine. One of the reasons I did this series on long range hunting is instances where loads would only have 300 fp at 1000 yards, but are being used anyway. A grossly unethical decision. Stay tuned for more information. Keep up the good work teaching the younger shooters.
Help me understand this. Why it's more admirable to take game at a 800 yd, than telling the story of how you closed the gap by pure hunting and getting in down to 300 yards and killing the same elk? I think those stories are fantastic. And if that elk shied away, then you just got to do some more hunting, which is a hell of a lot of fun and it's why you're there in the first place.
Really 200 yards is enough. To me, 500 yards and over displays a hunter’s lack of skills to to make a shot that will be 100 percent on the mark for one shot kill. I may just think too much of myself, but when you have to make a follow up shot, you are too far. When I take the shot, I want it to drop him where he is standing. I’ve seen videos of well known hunters taking 3-4 shots on elk to kill him. If you’ve been hunting that long and can’t make a one shot deal, quit hunting.
Well said, I love LR shooting, but hunting is a different story, I agree 500yrs. should be the limit and that is only if its within your capability . If you want to show the world you a great hunter, get yourself to 500yrs. that takes skill.
Mr Selby, hope everything is manageable for you. I have found myself in a new place: I have a 223 rem I enjoy shooting groundhogs with up to around 350 yds with a 1:8 twist it shoots everything from 40 grain Vmax to 69 grain sierra very well with the exception of 55 grain of any projectile I give up almost 3/8 Mia at any distance just curious if you had an opinion to offer Thanks
Great video! You had mentioned the 6.5 X 284 Norma. The ft.lbs. at 500 yards is the real truth. Many videos on You Tube shows shots out past 1,000 yds plus for Elk and Moose. I am now sceptical if this was in fact a 6.5.
It is a pity that Bowman did not settle on the 7mm Mashburn. Just neck down the .300 Win Mag, and presto! There you have it. More versatile than the 7mm Rem Mag, as it holds about 5 or 6 grains more powder, which allows you to use slower powders like Retumbo. You can always "load down" to 7mm Rem Mag levels.
@@jessewerner4067Yeah…..I’m tired of hearing Berger bullets don’t perform. They come apart exactly as designed and are meant for high shoulder and behind the shoulder shots where there is little meat you actually eat. They will punch through bone on deer sized game, but that’s not what they are designed for. I’m also tired of hearing Barnes bullets are the greatest around. It’s been proven that Barnes TTX/TTSX need 2000 fps at the animal otherwise they don’t open up as designed no matter what Barnes claims. Most Nosler bullets need 1400 fps at the animal and some need 1600 fps. Randy is correct that everybody needs a chronograph. Only then can you know what Ft-lbs of energy and fps you have at distance with your specific rifle. That info tells you how far you can ethically shoot provided you have the skills and an accurate rifle.
Kinetic energy is a good thing, but bullet construction, and sectional density and velocity also play a part on ethically harvesting game. You also have guys who use match bullets to harvest game that is unethical along with FMJ's. The most important factor is shot placement. Make sure you are certain of your shot! 300 yards is the limit for most people.
YOU 100% CORRECT WITH THIS LONG RANGE SHOOTING AT LIVE GAME. I DO MOSTLY BOW HUNTING AND I SEE MORE AND MORE SHOTS TAKEN AT 40 PLUS YARDS AT DEER AND ELK. YEAH THEY KILL THEM EVERY TIME ON TV BUT HOW MANY DID THEY LOSE BEFORE KILLING ONE.
Thanks for your input J CHASS. We've heard that about the bow hunting fraternity, also. We hear, too, from those in the field, that like other "reality" TV, TV hunting shows are not truly reality. Showing all of the missed shots or shots that wound animals that get away aren't going to sell product. It comes down to respecting the game animals by being ethical. Cathy Selby
Couple farmers up where I live, banned bow hunters from hunting on their land. They found some deer running around with arrows stuck in their shoulders. Guess the guys were taking 70 yard shots. And those farmers had great hunting land, that no one can use now because of these idiots.
Couldn't agree more. 500 yards is the max on most big game rifles, I've seen deer taken at 500 yards with a .270 with a 130 gr bullet it killed it with one shot but the bullet was stuck in the hide on the opposite side, meaning it didn't go clean threw.
Thank you for this video. It’s pretty cool that people can go out and shoot really far but to take an animal at say 800 to 1200 yards is not hunting it’s just killing if they even make the shot . What happened to getting as close as you can and make a clean ethical shot ? It’s a different world than when I came . I know we have way better equipment than in the former years , but we still owe it to the game we hunt to do it in a way that we make a clean shot with a quick kill that doesn’t make them suffer a cruel death from a misplaced shot which is way mor likely at 1200 yards than a 100 yards .
I couldn't agree more with a hunter, gunsmith or any personality more !!! How I'd love to sit on that porch with this gentleman and listen to him. I have been blessed with great mentors like this all my life OR I'm probably amateur than your average relatively younger buck to STFU and listen and keep my mouth shut when someone like this starts talking. Respect for game, fair chase and your elders is dying fast. On a personal note, I HATE loosing game. Thankfully I don't have to depend on my hunting to feed my family so I do tend to trophy hunt but I mean that in the broadest sense, meaning I'll let a small racked 8 point WT deer walk and shoot a smaller bodied, bigger racked animal BUT I do use all the meat, give the hide to a trapper and keep/ mount the rack. I do not shoot past my comfort zone and that is 400 MAX. I can shoot into a pie plate up to 600 with mild wind but I will never shoot at game past that magic mark because the aggravation afterwards is too much. I feel physical sick if I loose a wounded animal.
Thanks so much for taking time to comment and for your input. We truly appreciate it. And keep up the good shooting and "learn something new everyday". That's one of the ways Randy has expanded his knowledge base. God bless! Cathy: The Other Half of The Real Gunsmith.
My favorite 1100 and in target rifle is my tikka t3x in 308 thats my trainer. If I am hunting game I use my 300 winmag using 175 barnes lrx. Getting new barrel for tikka and will do 1 in 10 twist for the 190 barnes lrx hunts 400 and in
I once told my grandson, that anything can kill anything. But not reliably. The longer the range, the greater possibility of error. I just don’t see any way around that.
Got one.. you're on the right track. Handloaded 168 grain Nosler AccuBond LR atop 81 grains of Retumbo will get the job done! I shoot out to five or six hundred yards as my comfort zone. You can't go wrong. Will take anything you're likely to hunt in North America.
Sir, you are very experienced and knowledgable. The problem with your point of view is the modern bullets and powders have changed the game for long range precision shooting.
respect for animals like respect for anything else is disappearing more and more each year. I would say that "long range"is driven by two things ego and people who cant be bothered to put in the effort to get closer to the game in rough going. Thant's just my 2 bobs worth
I agree that long range shooting should be just a competitive activity only. If you can’t get within 300 yds you should not pull the trigger. The stories of game taken at 1200 yds is few and far between. It’s not ethical. Most of the time you only wound the animal. If you can double lung an animal at 700 yds you are a hell of a marksman. And not every hunter is as good as they think they are. Because you can hit a steel plate after 5 attempts doesn’t mean you should try it with large game.
Living in central Alabama, long range shots mean anything over 100yds. Sure, there are plenty of areas that Alabama deer hunters can reach out to 300+yds and further but it's not distances as much as range time. If a hunter zeros at 100-200yds but never actually spends the time to "know the distances". Yeah, your bullet may travel to great distances but unless you're able to hit the deer, elk, or whatever, it doesn't matter... And this doesn't even consider the power issues. I hunt with a 7x57 or a 257 Roberts, both are great rounds for 200yds or less. Will either take game past that distance? Sure, but my average distance from the stand to the deer is less than 100yds so that's my comfort zone. I'd love to get a chance to hunt an elk, moose, or a sheep but, from an ethical perspective, it'd mean a different rifle rig and a year's worth of actual practice! Thanks for the great videos!
I agree 100 percent that long range shooting of big game over 500 yards is disgraceful and should be outlawed. All ethical hunters owe it to the animals to make quick clean kills, nothing less is unacceptable..
Antlers and horns are nice but the goal is to take game and make meat. I would love to do some away hunts, shooting extreme long distances though, I have to agree it’s irresponsible and inconsiderate to the animals. They deserve not to be wounded and wasted. Wasting them is why game is drying up in some parts. I would love to hunt a sheep, not for a picture and claiming 500+ yard shots but the chance to make meat from such an inaccessible animal. Also would love to take an elk, a moose, black and grizzly bear, reign deer, antelope, a buffalo. The animals I want to hunt and eat wild meat from is pretty extensive but it’s not about ego so much as wanting to experience as much of the best of our country as possible.
Agree if you or your rifle are not capable of consistently hitting a vitals size target at whatever range the necessary velocity remains to effectively open the bullet then you shouldn’t take the “pot shot”. A proper hunter should practice with their equipment and not just sighting their gun the week before opening day. Many people consider 1000ft/lbs for thin skinned game such as white tail deer and 1200 ft/lbs for Elk but if you want 1500 or 1800 or 2000 that is even better. The conditions such as DA, wind and mirage will reduce the ethical effective range of a particular setup. 7mm Short Mag with 195Berger EOL @2900fos has 1800ft/lbs between 700-900yrds depending on DA. Choose a lower BC bullet and energy will drop off faster but then those bullets are not intended for long range. Hunters need to pick the right tool for the job. Long range hunting with a rifle is no different than bow hunting. A bow beyond 20yrds is unethical in my opinion but if you practice enough and have the right gear to consistently git at 80yrds, I am ok with this. If you just bought the rifle or bow and have less than a 1000 practice rounds you shouldn’t be hunting yet. Generally agree with the opinion in the video but opinions do need to keep up with advancements in gear. 60’s era long range is not long range today. Scopes track better, glass is clearer, bullets expand better, bc’s are higher, barrels are more accurate, bullets more consistent, ballistic calculators more accurate, laser rangefinders more accurate.
You hit it on the nail my friend.The rounds this old boy is talking about is a low bc,low grain weight,barrel burner that doesn't maintain it's velocity and energy.Saying a 300 RUM can't take game past 500 yards,when the selection of bullet weights are in to the 230's with bc's in the .710 range it makes you wonder how up to date someone is with "long range" hunting bullet selection.Ive seen 300 RUMs punch holes in high pressure temp steel at 1000 meteres they've maintained velocity so well.That cartridge has an abundance of potential when harvesting game at extended ranges.
You definitely over estimate tge energy required to game, saying 1300ftlbs is minimum for deer isn't correct i handgun hunt and cartridge starts below that but i don't have any issues.
I've spent my whole life in alabama. I doubt I've ever taken a shot over 75 yards in my life. But I don't understand how anything over 500 could be ethical. We should respect God's creation more than to gamble on shots like that just for bragging rights.
I had a conversation with one of my local game wardens on the topic of wounded and wasted game, and on that I told him "You guys will just sell ANYBODY a license and tag" .... This has to stop! I propose stop selling out of state licenses, tags and permits over the counter, (or in my humble opinion, stop out of state hunters period). Also, stop guided hunts, (if they can not outfit themselves or find their own game....get off the mountain) Hunter tourists have NO respects for anything that isn't their own and think that money buys a free pass. They aren't from here and have no investment in the lands or wildlife. I'm sure my comments will ruffle feathers, and I'm sure people will eventually get over it.
IdahoRodgers USMC I think I agree with you on the out-of-state hunters ban. I mean really the guide might as well shoot the animal also for them. Especially if our Game numbers are lower.I also think we need to reduce the wolf and grizzly population in some areas.
Brandy Jackson , yes! I donno if you and I share the same state or not, but you know that whole wolf "reintroduction" BS is and was a fiasco! If you was to talk to anybody from many years ago, they would tell you why, and how they eradicated the wolves for a reason. This BS about balance in the ecosystem, is just that...BS! If the conservationists really wanted to reestablish the wolf to its natural habitat , why did they not start in the first location these predators was removed??? In CENTRAL PARK NY CITY!!, Be a fine place to start, and maybe folks would sing a different tune. Lol, off my soap box now.... talk of wolves allways strike a nerve with me
IdahoRodgers USMC I believe a lot of these anti-hunters are funded by George Soros and others with a anti-second amendment agenda.And if we have less game too hunt because of wolfs and grizzlies =Less hunters. There are a lot of hunters that won't hunt in grizzly territory anymore. People are killed seems like every year and mauled by grizzlies. I live in Wyoming and many have told me years ago during hunting season the orange army would come into town there was so many elk almost everybody would fill their tags hasn't been like that now for years. If you go on social media news sites you will see hundreds of paid George Soros trolls especially on conservative news sites with one agenda to discredit Donald Trump in any and every way they can.And of course we see them on the streets, ANTIFA. The globalist are working in all aspects of life to achieve their new world order(One world government). We sportsman waste a lot of time trying to make sense of their logic. Instead of focusing on the real agenda behind these environmental groups who are indirectly funded by the globalist. All outdoor enthusiast should come together as one no matter what their sport or we will all lose. PS did you see all the buses bringing in the paid protesters for March for our lives.
Brandy Jackson , That is a excellent point! On the less hunters means less guns theory! I totally agree with you, our sagebrush lifestyle is under attack. I guess the real questions are, just how much longer do we put up with it? And what do we do about it?, and what is the end desired result? Cheers from Idaho!
IdahoRodgers USMC I think we are finally doing something about it voting for Donald Trump was probably the biggest thing and then going on social media and voicing our opinions I think we should go more on the offensive now and go on liberal sites and animal rights sites like they do to us we would totally overwhelmed them if we all will do our part their numbers for the most part are hirelings. We need to encourage Republicans to vote in the midterms and insist on paper ballots and push for mandatory voter ID in all states. If we can stop this massive voter fraud I think we would see a end to most of this BS.
Randy, with all due respect you contradicted yourself again in this video. You start and end saying 1800-2000 ft.lbs minimum yet towards the middle of the video you say 1500 ft.lbs minimum for elk. I happen to be in the 1400-1500 ft.lbs group as I've done a lot of reading from old timers that feel a good rule of thumb is twice the animal's body weight in ft.lbs as a minimum. Having shot elk at distances where the energy was in the 1400 ft.lbs area, I feel it is adequate but a minimum. With deer, 1000 ft.lbs is acceptable.
I don’t want to be rude, but I’ve taken game with one shot one kill out to 1000+ yards. I think your statement of 500 yards is very incorrect. There are several bullets that now perform very well at much further ranges. You seem to miss the shot placement data that is required for all shots. If anyone can place the bullet in the correct vitals with a reasonable amount of energy is perfectly acceptable. Energy is certainly not the only requirement and is often overstated. So I’ve taken a large buck at 759 yards with a 243 with a 108gr bullet.
Vaughn Precision I think you’re missing the part that you’re not the shooter he’s speaking of. There’s that generalisation he’s making which you kinda have to make when speaking broadly like this. Yes we have better scopes, were better at using the tools we have to make ethical kills further out, but there’s probably more people who can’t do that than can. Hence the generalisation. Also would you say you could make that shot consistently? And if you can would you say that’s a common skill? I think that’s the point here. But that’s just my two cents. Cheers
Most people hunting dont have a shooting bench at hand to shoot an animal at 1000+ yards or 759. I can guarantee i hunt more and have taken more game than you and have never had a rest i could use to shoot at the distances you stated. Resting off a limb or rail on a deer stand wont work for those distances.
I dont understand the purpose of these notions. Bragging rights? There are no bragging rights to foolish unethical behavior and people like these have completely lost the whole enjoyment of the big game hunt. If they had ever had it in the first place. Take your animal in conditions that are within you and your equipment's capabilities and come in with that animal fully recovered and that's pride enough.
Hunters shooting game at 500 yards plus need a good a good rse kicking....hunters need to get closer to their game...that's the sport. Not shooting it from a 500 yards plus and treating the game as paper target. What are we like!
I’ve always wanted to know your thoughts on Roy Weatherby and what he brought to the shooting world. His route to more terminal energy was speed. Many of his cartridges are considered overbore, but they are fast.
A nice tangential benefit of high-velocity cartridges is extended MPBR. All things being equal, a faster projectile is more forgiving of range estimation error. In the real world, errors in the field are commonplace.
Hi Randy. I would love to watch a video where you pull out you top 5 favorite rifle&caliber setups with optics. I guess I mean your favorite personal rifles. I love you videos I’ve watched several of the more than once 😀. Thanks for sharing your stories.
@@TheRealGunsmith I looked up that you were from Cody and realized it couldn't be. We had ranch on Kirby Creek down at Thermop. There's a Butte going out the road to Black Mt. on way to ranch looks like that called Wild Horse Butte. I know Cody well too. Jim Ivory is bro in law. Had Cody nite rodeo couple times. We picked up bucking horses there back in early 80's. Enjoy your videos.
Thanks for the overwhelming response to this video, as well as our other videos on The Real Gunsmith Channel! We appreciate your comments and questions. Due to the volume of the comments and questions, some which would take some time to answer, we just don’t have the time to respond to them all. However many of the questions will be answered in future videos.
Our first priority is to our paying clients. Writing out long answers would take time away from that, and I won’t put them “on hold” to post long answers here.
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To all of you, thanks again for your overwhelming support. Stay tuned! God bless you all. Randy and Cathy
Thank you for this vid. Being an animal lover and hunter I appreciate hearing another reminding us of our responsibilities. God gave mankind dominion over all animals. We must do what is right in his eyes. I have found most hunters to be some of the most responsible people, but we can always be reminded of our duties. Thanks again
Your spot on! The real benefit of velocity is a better ability to place the bullet within a reasonable range. I think 400 yards is a pretty fair poke, I had a 550 yard range for a long time, and a lot of my friends who could "kill a deer at 700 yards" couldn't hit a target at 400.
Thanks, and we've run into the same thing. Then there is wind, drafts, that no amount of "apps" can account for.
There's a huge difference between being able to hit a target, and having the energy to kill. Thanks for sharing and I agree with everything you've said. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Exactly! Thanks for your feedback and good shooting!
I am also a gunsmith and there is nothing I love more than to talk to a great old Gunsmith like yourself, wisdom is learned not taught. You are not just a Master Gunsmith but a great man that is what this world is short of is men of wisdom and understanding.
Jack O'Connor famous hunter and outdoor writer in days past wrote: The .270, is "the most remarkable rifle I ever had" (a Model 70 Winchester Featherweight, remodeled by Alvin Biesen). His pet load is 62 grains of H4831 and the 130 grain Nosler..
quote- " the velocity averages 3,140 in the 22-inch barrel. If I am having a good day, let the barrel cool a bit between shots, and take pains to hold the rifle the same for each shot, it will keep five shots in an inch or slightly over".... I found this information and thought some would find it interesting.. Also Jack didn't shoot big game over 500 yards, most were take at much less of a distance..
Much respect for this fine gentleman... Thank you for the time you spend educating, and reminding us of ethical uses of firepower!
Randy, I really appreciate your sensible and experienced voice. Literally a voice crying out from the wilderness, lol. I miss living in WY, not only because of the beauty, but because of so many sensible people like you.
We need more hunters thinking the way you honestly compassionately put respect out there for any game animal. Would love to sit with you at the coffee table sharing more thoughts
Crazy that some hunters want to brag about how far away they shot their game. You would think a hunter would want to brag about how close they were able to get to their game. I was taught from a young age to get as close as you can to make an ethical shot. My first archery hunt i passed up a 5x5 because my range finder died and i was still terrible at guessing range. The last thing i wanted to do was wound a mature buck just for him to die later.
I have never been a long ranger but my longest shot was 500 yards but now I try to keep everything as close as possible. We owe it to our wildlife.
Randy, you ever hear of M.D. Ward? A gun maker out of Long Beach, CA. He was in the 40's thru the 60's that I know of. Thanks,
Keep your videos coming.
No, I don't recall every hearing about him.
Thanks for watching!
@@TheRealGunsmith I have one of his custom built 30-06's on a 98 Mauser with a thinner 24 inch barrel. It's a very nice sporterized Mauser. First two shots touch, while the 3rd spreads out, but still remains just under an inch -This with basic factory ammo. I really like it.
The accessories like the butt pad, sling rings and scope mounts match a1960's arra buiild. His name and what not, are engraved in the barrel. The rifling seems deeper then current rilfing in my new rifles.
I killed a very nice 300" full velvet bull elk at 170 yards with a 180 grain partion in the neck, at the base of its skull. Zero meat damage. The hunt was a deperdation hunt.
The Lord helps me in my hunts. Jesus is King.
Thanks Randy -take care. May the Lord strengthen and bless you and your hands. Just as He did with temple builders who refined and hammered gold into thread.
Thank you for making real good hunting videos
Thank you sir!
Thank you sir.
I have hunted all my life and still continue to do that even though it's not as easy for me at 76 years of age now.. Elk hunting i had to stop hunting them as it became more than i could deal with physically .. When i started out hunting when i was 16 years old i hunted deer and black bear using a Win. 94 in 30-30 for around 4 years .. My choice of rifles was a Mauser 98 bolt action with custom stock , a local gunsmith had rebarreled two for me ..I agree with you on the scope tech at the time there wasn't really much to choose from.. I will say this at the time 1960's no one i hunted with was trained in long range shooting as we see it today ..I bought my first Weatherby Mark V rifle in 1973 and really enjoyed it fine quality and with correct loads it shot very well..
I never shot at the range with it over the 350 yard mark , even at that range i felt that was as far as i wanted to push my skills as i feel it's not fair to shoot at any big game animal if i can't make positive bullet placement in the killing area .. So as the years have gone by i only killed two Elk bulls just under the 390 yard mark ( a range finder seemed very useful so i bought one)..
The second bull was 370 something both were shoulder hits .. Even though i have watched several hunting videos of hunters taking big game animals at all the way out to 1,000 yards with only one shot .. I have never fired any of my rifles over 400 yards and with my hunting experience at game animals , it's too large a risk of wounding any animal and then it suffers somewhere and dies .. Sure i could spend the money and buy a scope that all i have to do it range the animal , adjust the scope and fire away.. Nope that's not me , i will never do that ..There is too many huge factors that can go wrong .. My hunting partner of over 45 years who has passed away said it well too i thought , keep your shots under 300 yards max on big game have some respect for the animals you hunt..He is still right ..
I just built a 300 RUM which is pretty nice and FULLY agree as i also load.
The problem today it seems is that people see game as a "target" and not game. They get used to shooting steel that is stationary and misplace shots too many times.
Love these stories
Thank you..
Spot on regarding the loss of respect for game. I grew up in Cheyenne and grew up hunting everything we had out there. From Antelope in the minuteman missile fields north of Cheyenne to Elk up in your neck of the woods. I've always limited myself to 450-500 yds max. Now...I DO shoot high power matches and CAN shoot 600yds with my .300WM or .280Rem. But I won't. I'll do what I can to get closer...and 80% of the time I can. People often confuse the two disciplines(target shooting/hunting) and believe that if they can hit a piece of plate steel at 800yds means they can punch through the shoulder of a bull elk at the same. It's just not right. My Dad did MANY poaching cases out in Wyoming as director of the state crime lab back in the 70's. Said many of the found game were obviously shot at long, long range due to the lack of bullet expansion/penetration. People just plain don't care nowdays. They'll take shots which they have no business taking...just in the hopes they'll get something to hang on the wall.
My elk and moose rifle is my 30.06 commercial mauser Centurion 123 . 180 grain gmx set 5 inches high at 100 yards for a 300 yards zero. 3x9x40 nikon prostaff scope with duplex reticle is perfect.
Have just subscribed and enjoying the wisdom. I completely agree that a lot of long range hunting it totally unethical. If you can't stalk in a lot closer there would normally be something wrong with your hunting skills.
Love listening to you're commentary and have never heard you say anything I don't agree with. Thanks for sharing your years of experience. So...I guess you need around 1500 lb/ft of energy for Whitetail? I was thinking I had heard over 1200 before but don't remember. I rarely get a shot over 125 yds so It don't really matter to me but I have younger guys that I try to teach at times.
Larry Robinson, I appreciate your comments. 1500 is great, but for whitetail 1200 will be fine. One of the reasons I did this series on long range hunting is instances where loads would only have 300 fp at 1000 yards, but are being used anyway. A grossly unethical decision. Stay tuned for more information. Keep up the good work teaching the younger shooters.
Help me understand this. Why it's more admirable to take game at a 800 yd, than telling the story of how you closed the gap by pure hunting and getting in down to 300 yards and killing the same elk? I think those stories are fantastic. And if that elk shied away, then you just got to do some more hunting, which is a hell of a lot of fun and it's why you're there in the first place.
Really 200 yards is enough. To me, 500 yards and over displays a hunter’s lack of skills to to make a shot that will be 100 percent on the mark for one shot kill. I may just think too much of myself, but when you have to make a follow up shot, you are too far. When I take the shot, I want it to drop him where he is standing. I’ve seen videos of well known hunters taking 3-4 shots on elk to kill him. If you’ve been hunting that long and can’t make a one shot deal, quit hunting.
Absolutely correct.
You do
Well said, I love LR shooting, but hunting is a different story, I agree 500yrs. should be the limit and that is only if its within your capability . If you want to show the world you a great hunter, get yourself to 500yrs. that takes skill.
What a wonderful man.
I agree, which after 41 years together, I'd better! From Cathy. :)
The Real Gunsmith I believe behind every wonderful man is a wonderful woman.
@@TheRealGunsmith 😂😂 she crushing on your man. Just kidding.
Mr Selby, hope everything is manageable for you. I have found myself in a new place: I have a 223 rem I enjoy shooting groundhogs with up to around 350 yds with a 1:8 twist it shoots everything from 40 grain Vmax to 69 grain sierra very well with the exception of 55 grain of any projectile I give up almost 3/8 Mia at any distance just curious if you had an opinion to offer Thanks
Thank you
Great video! You had mentioned the 6.5 X 284 Norma. The ft.lbs.
at 500 yards is the real truth.
Many videos on You Tube shows shots out past 1,000 yds plus for Elk and Moose.
I am now sceptical if this was in fact a 6.5.
It is a pity that Bowman did not settle on the 7mm Mashburn. Just neck down the .300 Win Mag, and presto! There you have it. More versatile than the 7mm Rem Mag, as it holds about 5 or 6 grains more powder, which allows you to use slower powders like Retumbo. You can always "load down" to 7mm Rem Mag levels.
Love all your videos always we usually Agee lol wanted to know your thoughts on Berger bullets and the 300 rum
gabemazing watch some of Randy's other videos. They're bad, bad, bad! And apparently they don't work. Lol
@@jessewerner4067Yeah…..I’m tired of hearing Berger bullets don’t perform. They come apart exactly as designed and are meant for high shoulder and behind the shoulder shots where there is little meat you actually eat. They will punch through bone on deer sized game, but that’s not what they are designed for. I’m also tired of hearing Barnes bullets are the greatest around. It’s been proven that Barnes TTX/TTSX need 2000 fps at the animal otherwise they don’t open up as designed no matter what Barnes claims. Most Nosler bullets need 1400 fps at the animal and some need 1600 fps. Randy is correct that everybody needs a chronograph. Only then can you know what Ft-lbs of energy and fps you have at distance with your specific rifle. That info tells you how far you can ethically shoot provided you have the skills and an accurate rifle.
Kinetic energy is a good thing, but bullet construction, and sectional density and velocity also play a part on ethically harvesting game. You also have guys who use match bullets to harvest game that is unethical along with FMJ's. The most important factor is shot placement. Make sure you are certain of your shot! 300 yards is the limit for most people.
YOU 100% CORRECT WITH THIS LONG RANGE SHOOTING AT LIVE GAME. I DO MOSTLY BOW HUNTING AND I SEE MORE AND MORE SHOTS TAKEN AT 40 PLUS YARDS AT DEER AND ELK. YEAH THEY KILL THEM EVERY TIME ON TV BUT HOW MANY DID THEY LOSE BEFORE KILLING ONE.
Thanks for your input J CHASS. We've heard that about the bow hunting fraternity, also. We hear, too, from those in the field, that like other "reality" TV, TV hunting shows are not truly reality. Showing all of the missed shots or shots that wound animals that get away aren't going to sell product.
It comes down to respecting the game animals by being ethical.
Cathy Selby
Couple farmers up where I live, banned bow hunters from hunting on their land. They found some deer running around with arrows stuck in their shoulders. Guess the guys were taking 70 yard shots. And those farmers had great hunting land, that no one can use now because of these idiots.
@@Kman31ca Same thing in in Wyoming.
@@TheRealGunsmith but if you are a trained archer and capable of placing an arrow in the pocket at greater ranges who’s business is it?
Couldn't agree more. 500 yards is the max on most big game rifles, I've seen deer taken at 500 yards with a .270 with a 130 gr bullet it killed it with one shot but the bullet was stuck in the hide on the opposite side, meaning it didn't go clean threw.
Yes sir I agree 100%
Thank you for this video. It’s pretty cool that people can go out and shoot really far but to take an animal at say 800 to 1200 yards is not hunting it’s just killing if they even make the shot . What happened to getting as close as you can and make a clean ethical shot ? It’s a different world than when I came . I know we have way better equipment than in the former years , but we still owe it to the game we hunt to do it in a way that we make a clean shot with a quick kill that doesn’t make them suffer a cruel death from a misplaced shot which is way mor likely at 1200 yards than a 100 yards .
12 times more likely.
I couldn't agree more with a hunter, gunsmith or any personality more !!! How I'd love to sit on that porch with this gentleman and listen to him. I have been blessed with great mentors like this all my life OR I'm probably amateur than your average relatively younger buck to STFU and listen and keep my mouth shut when someone like this starts talking. Respect for game, fair chase and your elders is dying fast.
On a personal note, I HATE loosing game. Thankfully I don't have to depend on my hunting to feed my family so I do tend to trophy hunt but I mean that in the broadest sense, meaning I'll let a small racked 8 point WT deer walk and shoot a smaller bodied, bigger racked animal BUT I do use all the meat, give the hide to a trapper and keep/ mount the rack. I do not shoot past my comfort zone and that is 400 MAX. I can shoot into a pie plate up to 600 with mild wind but I will never shoot at game past that magic mark because the aggravation afterwards is too much. I feel physical sick if I loose a wounded animal.
Thanks so much for taking time to comment and for your input. We truly appreciate it. And keep up the good shooting and "learn something new everyday". That's one of the ways Randy has expanded his knowledge base. God bless! Cathy: The Other Half of The Real Gunsmith.
My favorite 1100 and in target rifle is my tikka t3x in 308 thats my trainer. If I am hunting game I use my 300 winmag using 175 barnes lrx. Getting new barrel for tikka and will do 1 in 10 twist for the 190 barnes lrx hunts 400 and in
You speak the gospel and I thank you !
100% agree......my Swede at 2800fps begins to drop at 200-250 yds. At that point it's losing energy. I won't take a shot with the 6.5x55 past 250 yds.
I once told my grandson, that anything can kill anything. But not reliably. The longer the range, the greater possibility of error. I just don’t see any way around that.
Is it me or "Les Bolman" looks like Mr. Rate from "The Shooter"?
This is a photo of Les Bowman, no one else. We all seem to have look alikes somewhere, sometime.
Thanks for watching.
Time of flight Is the most important factor
Animal movement
Wind drift
Group size
All get geometrically worse
I would love to get a 28 Nosler
Got one.. you're on the right track. Handloaded 168 grain Nosler AccuBond LR atop 81 grains of Retumbo will get the job done! I shoot out to five or six hundred yards as my comfort zone. You can't go wrong. Will take anything you're likely to hunt in North America.
Sir, you are very experienced and knowledgable. The problem with your point of view is the modern bullets and powders have changed the game for long range precision shooting.
No they haven't, for game. They have for target shooting. Stay tuned. Good shooting.
There is a long answer to this. Stay tuned.
respect for animals like respect for anything else is disappearing more and more each year. I would say that "long range"is driven by two things ego and people who cant be bothered to put in the effort to get closer to the game in rough going. Thant's just my 2 bobs worth
Agreed, Shane. The long range hunting shows have glorified long range shooting. And the "hunt" goes out the door. It becomes sniping.
The Real Gunsmith I'd say if you want be a sniper join the army and leave game for those willing to do it right.
Multiple military snipers have said the same to us. Merry Christmas!
Merry christmas and hapy new year to you and yours and may your hunts be successful.
I agree that long range shooting should be just a competitive activity only. If you can’t get within 300 yds you should not pull the trigger. The stories of game taken at 1200 yds is few and far between. It’s not ethical. Most of the time you only wound the animal. If you can double lung an animal at 700 yds you are a hell of a marksman. And not every hunter is as good as they think they are. Because you can hit a steel plate after 5 attempts doesn’t mean you should try it with large game.
Randy, that is sniping, not hunting. SHOOT SAFE!!!!!!!!
Living in central Alabama, long range shots mean anything over 100yds. Sure, there are plenty of areas that Alabama deer hunters can reach out to 300+yds and further but it's not distances as much as range time. If a hunter zeros at 100-200yds but never actually spends the time to "know the distances". Yeah, your bullet may travel to great distances but unless you're able to hit the deer, elk, or whatever, it doesn't matter... And this doesn't even consider the power issues.
I hunt with a 7x57 or a 257 Roberts, both are great rounds for 200yds or less. Will either take game past that distance? Sure, but my average distance from the stand to the deer is less than 100yds so that's my comfort zone.
I'd love to get a chance to hunt an elk, moose, or a sheep but, from an ethical perspective, it'd mean a different rifle rig and a year's worth of actual practice!
Thanks for the great videos!
Love that 6.5 Creedmoor for long range hunting.
I somewhat agree with you pops
I agree with Randy,it is unethical to shoot game at extended ranges beyond a rifles capability.
I agree 100 percent that long range shooting of big game over 500 yards is disgraceful and should be outlawed. All ethical hunters owe it to the animals to make quick clean kills, nothing less is unacceptable..
Antlers and horns are nice but the goal is to take game and make meat. I would love to do some away hunts, shooting extreme long distances though, I have to agree it’s irresponsible and inconsiderate to the animals. They deserve not to be wounded and wasted. Wasting them is why game is drying up in some parts.
I would love to hunt a sheep, not for a picture and claiming 500+ yard shots but the chance to make meat from such an inaccessible animal. Also would love to take an elk, a moose, black and grizzly bear, reign deer, antelope, a buffalo. The animals I want to hunt and eat wild meat from is pretty extensive but it’s not about ego so much as wanting to experience as much of the best of our country as possible.
Agree if you or your rifle are not capable of consistently hitting a vitals size target at whatever range the necessary velocity remains to effectively open the bullet then you shouldn’t take the “pot shot”. A proper hunter should practice with their equipment and not just sighting their gun the week before opening day.
Many people consider 1000ft/lbs for thin skinned game such as white tail deer and 1200 ft/lbs for Elk but if you want 1500 or 1800 or 2000 that is even better. The conditions such as DA, wind and mirage will reduce the ethical effective range of a particular setup. 7mm Short Mag with 195Berger EOL @2900fos has 1800ft/lbs between 700-900yrds depending on DA. Choose a lower BC bullet and energy will drop off faster but then those bullets are not intended for long range. Hunters need to pick the right tool for the job. Long range hunting with a rifle is no different than bow hunting. A bow beyond 20yrds is unethical in my opinion but if you practice enough and have the right gear to consistently git at 80yrds, I am ok with this. If you just bought the rifle or bow and have less than a 1000 practice rounds you shouldn’t be hunting yet.
Generally agree with the opinion in the video but opinions do need to keep up with advancements in gear. 60’s era long range is not long range today. Scopes track better, glass is clearer, bullets expand better, bc’s are higher, barrels are more accurate, bullets more consistent, ballistic calculators more accurate, laser rangefinders more accurate.
You hit it on the nail my friend.The rounds this old boy is talking about is a low bc,low grain weight,barrel burner that doesn't maintain it's velocity and energy.Saying a 300 RUM can't take game past 500 yards,when the selection of bullet weights are in to the 230's with bc's in the .710 range it makes you wonder how up to date someone is with "long range" hunting bullet selection.Ive seen 300 RUMs punch holes in high pressure temp steel at 1000 meteres they've maintained velocity so well.That cartridge has an abundance of potential when harvesting game at extended ranges.
You definitely over estimate tge energy required to game, saying 1300ftlbs is minimum for deer isn't correct i handgun hunt and cartridge starts below that but i don't have any issues.
You must realize big handguns use bore diameter to do damage. Long range rifles don't have this attribute as much so therefore rely more on energy.
@@adamshaw8214 there isnt really a big difference between 45 and 30 cal and the rifle round is gunna have yaw that the handgun round lacks.
I've spent my whole life in alabama. I doubt I've ever taken a shot over 75 yards in my life. But I don't understand how anything over 500 could be ethical. We should respect God's creation more than to gamble on shots like that just for bragging rights.
I had a conversation with one of my local game wardens on the topic of wounded and wasted game, and on that I told him "You guys will just sell ANYBODY a license and tag" .... This has to stop! I propose stop selling out of state licenses, tags and permits over the counter, (or in my humble opinion, stop out of state hunters period). Also, stop guided hunts, (if they can not outfit themselves or find their own game....get off the mountain) Hunter tourists have NO respects for anything that isn't their own and think that money buys a free pass. They aren't from here and have no investment in the lands or wildlife.
I'm sure my comments will ruffle feathers, and I'm sure people will eventually get over it.
IdahoRodgers USMC I think I agree with you on the out-of-state hunters ban. I mean really the guide might as well shoot the animal also for them. Especially if our Game numbers are lower.I also think we need to reduce the wolf and grizzly population in some areas.
Brandy Jackson , yes! I donno if you and I share the same state or not, but you know that whole wolf "reintroduction" BS is and was a fiasco! If you was to talk to anybody from many years ago, they would tell you why, and how they eradicated the wolves for a reason. This BS about balance in the ecosystem, is just that...BS!
If the conservationists really wanted to reestablish the wolf to its natural habitat , why did they not start in the first location these predators was removed??? In CENTRAL PARK NY CITY!!, Be a fine place to start, and maybe folks would sing a different tune.
Lol, off my soap box now.... talk of wolves allways strike a nerve with me
IdahoRodgers USMC I believe a lot of these anti-hunters are funded by George Soros and others with a anti-second amendment agenda.And if we have less game too hunt because of wolfs and grizzlies =Less hunters. There are a lot of hunters that won't hunt in grizzly territory anymore. People are killed seems like every year and mauled by grizzlies. I live in Wyoming and many have told me years ago during hunting season the orange army would come into town there was so many elk almost everybody would fill their tags hasn't been like that now for years. If you go on social media news sites you will see hundreds of paid George Soros trolls especially on conservative news sites with one agenda to discredit Donald Trump in any and every way they can.And of course we see them on the streets, ANTIFA. The globalist are working in all aspects of life to achieve their new world order(One world government). We sportsman waste a lot of time trying to make sense of their logic. Instead of focusing on the real agenda behind these environmental groups who are indirectly funded by the globalist. All outdoor enthusiast should come together as one no matter what their sport or we will all lose. PS did you see all the buses bringing in the paid protesters for March for our lives.
Brandy Jackson , That is a excellent point! On the less hunters means less guns theory!
I totally agree with you, our sagebrush lifestyle is under attack.
I guess the real questions are, just how much longer do we put up with it? And what do we do about it?, and what is the end desired result?
Cheers from Idaho!
IdahoRodgers USMC I think we are finally doing something about it voting for Donald Trump was probably the biggest thing and then going on social media and voicing our opinions I think we should go more on the offensive now and go on liberal sites and animal rights sites like they do to us we would totally overwhelmed them if we all will do our part their numbers for the most part are hirelings. We need to encourage Republicans to vote in the midterms and insist on paper ballots and push for mandatory voter ID in all states. If we can stop this massive voter fraud I think we would see a end to most of this BS.
Randy, with all due respect you contradicted yourself again in this video. You start and end saying 1800-2000 ft.lbs minimum yet towards the middle of the video you say 1500 ft.lbs minimum for elk. I happen to be in the 1400-1500 ft.lbs group as I've done a lot of reading from old timers that feel a good rule of thumb is twice the animal's body weight in ft.lbs as a minimum. Having shot elk at distances where the energy was in the 1400 ft.lbs area, I feel it is adequate but a minimum. With deer, 1000 ft.lbs is acceptable.
sorry but it sounds like a Nosler accubond commercial
Regardless, I really like the accubond. Use em in all our rifles for hunting
I don’t want to be rude, but I’ve taken game with one shot one kill out to 1000+ yards. I think your statement of 500 yards is very incorrect. There are several bullets that now perform very well at much further ranges.
You seem to miss the shot placement data that is required for all shots. If anyone can place the bullet in the correct vitals with a reasonable amount of energy is perfectly acceptable. Energy is certainly not the only requirement and is often overstated.
So I’ve taken a large buck at 759 yards with a 243 with a 108gr bullet.
Vaughn Precision I think you’re missing the part that you’re not the shooter he’s speaking of. There’s that generalisation he’s making which you kinda have to make when speaking broadly like this.
Yes we have better scopes, were better at using the tools we have to make ethical kills further out, but there’s probably more people who can’t do that than can. Hence the generalisation.
Also would you say you could make that shot consistently? And if you can would you say that’s a common skill? I think that’s the point here.
But that’s just my two cents. Cheers
No a 243 didn't do that.
Most people hunting dont have a shooting bench at hand to shoot an animal at 1000+ yards or 759. I can guarantee i hunt more and have taken more game than you and have never had a rest i could use to shoot at the distances you stated. Resting off a limb or rail on a deer stand wont work for those distances.
I dont understand the purpose of these notions. Bragging rights? There are no bragging rights to foolish unethical behavior and people like these have completely lost the whole enjoyment of the big game hunt. If they had ever had it in the first place. Take your animal in conditions that are within you and your equipment's capabilities and come in with that animal fully recovered and that's pride enough.
Hunters shooting game at 500 yards plus need a good a good rse kicking....hunters need to get closer to their game...that's the sport. Not shooting it from a 500 yards plus and treating the game as paper target. What are we like!
Can you please dedicate a few videos to black powder please. Smokeless is a passing fad.
Look, 300 yards is a long shot. This BS about five hundred or seven hundred yards needs to stop.
Long range hunting is not hunting
Not to mention it loses the excitement
A 300 mag is better than a 7mm. Carries more energy at any range.
Thats why the good lord gave us the Barret 50 cal.
I’ve always wanted to know your thoughts on Roy Weatherby and what he brought to the shooting world. His route to more terminal energy was speed. Many of his cartridges are considered overbore, but they are fast.
A nice tangential benefit of high-velocity cartridges is extended MPBR. All things being equal, a faster projectile is more forgiving of range estimation error. In the real world, errors in the field are commonplace.
Hi Randy. I would love to watch a video where you pull out you top 5 favorite rifle&caliber setups with optics. I guess I mean your favorite personal rifles. I love you videos I’ve watched several of the more than once 😀. Thanks for sharing your stories.
That isn't Wild Horse Butte in the background behind you, is it?
No, it's right behind our house/shop, looking into the Shoshone National Forest.
@@TheRealGunsmith I looked up that you were from Cody and realized it couldn't be. We had ranch on Kirby Creek down at Thermop. There's a Butte going out the road to Black Mt. on way to ranch looks like that called Wild Horse Butte. I know Cody well too. Jim Ivory is bro in law. Had Cody nite rodeo couple times. We picked up bucking horses there back in early 80's. Enjoy your videos.