Ogólnie super pomysł, ale chyba dostrzegam pewien problem z pochyleniem się mostu przy podnoszeniu ramy. Wał napędowy będzie zbyt nisko od ziemi, co może spowodować na przykład ocieranie o asfalt?
Is this some sort of Lo-Rider after-market kit for American cars? No-one else would bother with some sort of height-control on a live rear axle. If it's supposed to be "new and innovative", I'd suggest you look at the 1955 Citroen DS, which had hydropneumatic self-levelling and height-adjustable all-independent suspension, with centrepoint steering geometry so you could brake in a straight line with a front blow-out with no hands on the wheel. And, for James Merkel, the ground clearance WAS adjustable from 2" to 8" front and 2" to 9" rear.
Nothing was implied for this to be the first vehicle with adjustable suspension. It put a new spin on true cantilever suspension. In your world, from your point of view, yes, it would be called a lowrider. We use air and hydraulic suspension to lower and raise vehicles both for leisure, commercial and handicapped use.
SOME CRAZY TRAVEL THERE BRO. OMG LOL very nice once i get another truck i'm gonna put a quick system on it with s body drop, then down the line i'll go all out full truck customization.
thanks for taking the time to post this, really innovative design. one thing- it looks like the entire load transfers to the center of the lower links.. any issue with bending?
Love the design, would only recommend installing bump stops on axle as well just as a peace of mind lol don't wanna come down on that frame or that axle too hard
A lot of air bags have built in bump stops. As long as you build everything to the correct tolerance, you shouldn't have anything hitting. The front & rear bags on my truck have internal bump stops & I have adjustable speed control on my exhaust valves which helps a lot with cushioning bottoming out.
Wont be a problem, the distance changes even in stock configurations, but at a lot less than this. The input yoke on the drive shaft is designed to "lengthen" itself with up and down travel. Also you wont always have it at that level.
Reminds me of my Citroen BX I had 30 years back. But this one is on steroids. Air suspension gives a rantasticly smooth travel. Potholes just get eaten up.
Там же куда и вкачивают воздух! ))) Это и есть амортизация только она воздушная. В зависимости от нагрузок она будет докачивать и наоборот выкачивать воздух из этих подушек. Так устроена амортизация больших туристических автобусов, например TATRA(от Mersedess)
@@111tier это пружына воздушная. А не амортизатор. Амортизатор замедляет скорость движения . А пружина ничего не спмедляет. Как сжалать так и расжалась.
It will bend where the tiny pipe is and the frame will twist because air bags generate torque. Probably the bolts where suspension arms are located will snap after few years. Buy Yourself a book on suspension designing and re-learn everything You know.
Yea it got really bad there at the end, Lol. That was at 18 inches of lift. It never would have lifted that far, but the bar length was changed to fix.
Manos abiles,e ingenioso artífice,que te duran los de la general motors company!!!!!felicidades y adelante con ésas modificaciones ,esperando que sean de la misma calidad y manufactura también la carroseria,*.desde mi México"*lindo y querido...
I want the Jeep ppl car to eventually hve a suspension that can range from 2" of lift to 4 or even 6" of lift. On road vs off road safer ride & still plenty of clearance what ever tires u decide to run & beefy control arms that can allow the travel yet keep the geometry needed to hve full control. This seems like the perfect solution.
SEON yes that's the term air spring not air shock however they do make an air strut and you want to talk about one hell of a ride man that stuff is smooth
@@smithchassis you have a single piece of tubing supporting the entire suspension with no gusseting or reinforcement... and not only that, its taking force from the weight of the truck, which is pulling upward on the bar at lift. At the same time you have a 4 link bar on there, which serves thee purpose not only of centering the axle, but of controlling axle wrap, which is a torsional force that is going to be applied to that bar on acceleration, and the stress points are within a few inches of eachother. There is also a certain amount of torsion put on the bar from the cantilever system, Albeit, it is largely reduced by the links you have, which keep the top plates in line.. But unless every angle is PERFECT, there will still be some residual torsion going on there... The suspension is literally going to try to tear that bar to pieces under hard acceleration. This setup will work great if all you ever plan on doing is driving on and off the trailer, but if you're trying to build something that will withstand daily driving,.. this isn't gonna last, especially if you plan on putting any power to that axle.
I understand what youre seeing from your point of view, and you arent completely wrong. We over build things, and this was in the design stage. The tube itself is 1.5” DOM .25 wall, and it acts solely as a pivot point. It bears some weight but the weight is spread out over the bag mount, the pivot point and the upper bar. There were also more crossmembers added afterward. Ill be updating this more often, check us out facebook/smithchassis. also on IG. Thanks for commenting!
the pinion angle started going awry at about 15 inches of lift and got worse from there. It never would have used that much lift, but the geometry was corrected.
@@ЕвгенийАврамов-ч3о да какие там кочки, это ж для понторезки лоурайдера всё придумано, они брюхом любят ползать. им слово практичность чуждо)) я говорил лишь об уникальности схемы, ничего боле ...
What's the ratio of those levers? Like 1.5:1? I'm just curious why you set them up that way since I've never seen a setup like this on any car. Also, those rolled tubing lower bag mounts are trick - this whole setup sort of blows my mind.
If this was 10 years ago and I'm just seeing this now......what's it look like fully finished????
As Leno would say, “kinetic art.” Beautiful. Congratulations!
Is good to have some springs left so in case of a problem the vehicle wouldn't collapse...
I was amazed with the technology of today and change so quickly, thank you
Damn! Nice rod suspension system design 💯💯💯💯
It's dope and cool👌👌👌
So is this for a car? When the bags inflate, they're going to come through the rear floor?
My thoughts exactly...
Good Point Fell'a
Do you have problems with pinion angle change?
Clean, Clean install, hopefully the articulation wont be a problem, had that myself, high drives are a pain to get into without it. Great job.
Hit a big bump and snap the welds off that "tab" on the frame the airbag is sitting on...
Do you hear any binding up? Nope, thats a badass setup right there ! This is what cool looks like kids . . .
Love the design 👌, I'm wondering how much weight can you put on the truck for that bar across can hold!?
That depends on the airbags rating.
it depends on the set up and products used. usually its just like having a tire blow out. it pops you slow down n pull over on the side of the road.
Ogólnie super pomysł, ale chyba dostrzegam pewien problem z pochyleniem się mostu przy podnoszeniu ramy.
Wał napędowy będzie zbyt nisko od ziemi, co może spowodować na przykład ocieranie o asfalt?
Nice design.. where is the exhaust pipes going to run though?
This is exactly what I was looking for. Going to build my dream car since no one makes it.
Is this some sort of Lo-Rider after-market kit for American cars? No-one else would bother with some sort of height-control on a live rear axle. If it's supposed to be "new and innovative", I'd suggest you look at the 1955 Citroen DS, which had hydropneumatic self-levelling and height-adjustable all-independent suspension, with centrepoint steering geometry so you could brake in a straight line with a front blow-out with no hands on the wheel. And, for James Merkel, the ground clearance WAS adjustable from 2" to 8" front and 2" to 9" rear.
Nothing was implied for this to be the first vehicle with adjustable suspension. It put a new spin on true cantilever suspension. In your world, from your point of view, yes, it would be called a lowrider.
We use air and hydraulic suspension to lower and raise vehicles both for leisure, commercial and handicapped use.
Thats a clean and sick bag system design and lay out.
How did you get those scooter tires to do that
the weight is split between air bags and directly on the axle, how about vibration and the welded parts?
It's low rider suspension what can you expect
Well there are rubber bushings so I would expect some sort of damper
@@mackasmachineschannel3522 they use cantilever suspension in race cars so what would be the difference
Do you make after market frames for square body gmc trucks, that can handle,horsepower
I think the cross beam is a little light and will be the weak point. Still like it lots though
The cross beam is built stronger than 99 percent of most vehicles on the road. 1 1/2 quarter wall DOM.
Beautiful work
Looks like you're going to have quite a change in pinion angle
SOME CRAZY TRAVEL THERE BRO. OMG LOL very nice once i get another truck i'm gonna put a quick system on it with s body drop, then down the line i'll go all out full truck customization.
Will That be Stable at High Speeds Cornering
thanks for taking the time to post this, really innovative design.
one thing- it looks like the entire load transfers to the center of the lower links.. any issue with bending?
That's a sick set up I can't wait to get mine done but I don't know how I want to do the link system
Love the design, would only recommend installing bump stops on axle as well just as a peace of mind lol don't wanna come down on that frame or that axle too hard
A lot of air bags have built in bump stops. As long as you build everything to the correct tolerance, you shouldn't have anything hitting. The front & rear bags on my truck have internal bump stops & I have adjustable speed control on my exhaust valves which helps a lot with cushioning bottoming out.
How well does the suspension articulate? Looks rather restrictive with regard to body roll/movement. Looks nice, though...
it is probably the best u ever saw
@@nikki2708 and you're basing that on what, exactly?
Because u she just look at it more and realize
@@nikki2708 so you can't answer the question. That's pretty much what I figured. :)
The air bellow works as a shock absorber AND as the suspension
Very cool! And how did you decide with the cardan? In a low position, it will definitely interfere!
question i noticed the angle of the rear differential changing as your aired up the shocks would that cause problems with the drive shaft or not
Do u guys just build mini truck chassis? If not im looking too get in the auto cross scene with my 78' chevy monte carlo
masterpiece , masterwork
Cool design but How would that system fit under the floor pan is what I want to know? Who needs a back seat right?
Art work in the Best
Is it OK that the wheelbase changes so drastically with travel? Longer link arms would minimize this.
Wont be a problem, the distance changes even in stock configurations, but at a lot less than this. The input yoke on the drive shaft is designed to "lengthen" itself with up and down travel. Also you wont always have it at that level.
He already said it won't go that high with the frame on it...very nice fab work
I SEE THE TOP LINKS ARE TO SHORT ON THE 4 LINK,THE DRIVELINE ANGLE LOOKS OFF
How about propellershaft? in lowest position there will be obstacle
Is this meant to adjust ride height? Any other use seems like it wouldn't last a day.
Chuck Norris have you ever really examine the air suspension under a Class 8 tractor? I think an examination would definitely change your mind
Cesare
nice! realy! but dosent the diff angle moves the wrong way?
Yes, but normally you would not be driving long distances at the max height. The pinion angle needs to be a couple degrees nose down anyway.
Is this the Smith Chassis in Kentucky?
Yes Dave. its us.
@@smithchassis any plans of doing a UA-cam of our BelAir?
Полный кайф когда смотришь на людей с умелыми руками👍
How much does it cost?
Insane travel. whats the purpose of the dogbone link on only one bag?
I can tell it's on both. look for the shiny nut right above the airbag.
I will go back and look, is it a pan hard bar?
Reminds me of my Citroen BX I had 30 years back. But this one is on steroids. Air suspension gives a rantasticly smooth travel. Potholes just get eaten up.
Impressive design, thanks for uploading.
What size is that frame 2x4?
What's system price ?
Nice design intent of the arms, pinion angles are destroyed though.
ого, большое расстояние! а где амортизаторы?
Там же куда и вкачивают воздух! ))) Это и есть амортизация только она воздушная. В зависимости от нагрузок она будет докачивать и наоборот выкачивать воздух из этих подушек. Так устроена амортизация больших туристических автобусов, например TATRA(от Mersedess)
@@111tier
Подушки - это вместо пружин. А где аммортизаторы?
Пневма називается это и пуржина и аморт два в одном
@@111tier это пружына воздушная. А не амортизатор. Амортизатор замедляет скорость движения . А пружина ничего не спмедляет. Как сжалать так и расжалась.
@@111tier ваня ну вот объясни мне, зачем отвечать на вопрос в котором у тебя минусовые познания?
the lower link is not able to carry the weight.
how much cost to do that in a 2003 f150 harley davidson??
Wtf is actually harley on your truck except stickers that you overpaid for? It is a ford. Period. No "special" engineering on any part..
It will bend where the tiny pipe is and the frame will twist because air bags generate torque. Probably the bolts where suspension arms are located will snap after few years. Buy Yourself a book on suspension designing and re-learn everything You know.
rilly slick, very nice consecpt, A+
Will this work for side to side? "airing up only one bag".
ya whats up with ujoint angle/yolk
верхние тяги к мосту располежены под углом для предотвращения смещения моста в сторону??
How much for a chasis like this one?
kinda looks like the wheels will go backwards relative of the bed...if it was ever put on.
I think the bag arm is going to tear the tube apart.
How much one piec
Holy pinion angle Batman!
Yea it got really bad there at the end, Lol. That was at 18 inches of lift. It never would have lifted that far, but the bar length was changed to fix.
Manos abiles,e ingenioso artífice,que te duran los de la general motors company!!!!!felicidades y adelante con ésas modificaciones ,esperando que sean de la misma calidad y manufactura también la carroseria,*.desde mi México"*lindo y querido...
whats it like riding on a canti set up?
Whats the ride quality like?
Great setup guys. Looks and works killer. You guys selling this setup?
Pump up the jam... Pump it up!
I don't think the cross pipe is Evan close to being heavy enough to handle the loads. In my opinion
Looks like an ancient AnyLevelLift
its amazing great work 👌
what is the overall change in ride height?
Шикардос
@KeithWasHere1 They look like Firestones maybe?
This is for lowriders?
Looks like it would be infinitely stiff in roll.
I want the Jeep ppl car to eventually hve a suspension that can range from 2" of lift to 4 or even 6" of lift. On road vs off road safer ride & still plenty of clearance what ever tires u decide to run & beefy control arms that can allow the travel yet keep the geometry needed to hve full control. This seems like the perfect solution.
There are alot of rock crawlers that use adjustable suspension.
Were building a 79 Bronco now that has big Danas and Adjustable suspension (airride)
Hermoso.
Gracias por el vídeo amigo mio...
Saludos desde viña del mar Chile...
Does It need shockabsorber?
SEON yes that's the term air spring not air shock however they do make an air strut and you want to talk about one hell of a ride man that stuff is smooth
that is just beautiful nice job
Can doing with drive shaft
yes you r right
someone did a great job but wheres the SHOCKS at ?
Nice Thats A Sick Setup
Awesome setup.
thats fucking kewl, could look at that fab work all day
Lower jet thrust bent. W- shaped transverse tube too thin. Support under the cushions need to do on a common platform.
that crossmember is gonna break if that thing actually gets driven. cool concept tho.
how do you figure?
@@smithchassis you have a single piece of tubing supporting the entire suspension with no gusseting or reinforcement... and not only that, its taking force from the weight of the truck, which is pulling upward on the bar at lift. At the same time you have a 4 link bar on there, which serves thee purpose not only of centering the axle, but of controlling axle wrap, which is a torsional force that is going to be applied to that bar on acceleration, and the stress points are within a few inches of eachother. There is also a certain amount of torsion put on the bar from the cantilever system, Albeit, it is largely reduced by the links you have, which keep the top plates in line.. But unless every angle is PERFECT, there will still be some residual torsion going on there... The suspension is literally going to try to tear that bar to pieces under hard acceleration. This setup will work great if all you ever plan on doing is driving on and off the trailer, but if you're trying to build something that will withstand daily driving,.. this isn't gonna last, especially if you plan on putting any power to that axle.
I understand what youre seeing from your point of view, and you arent completely wrong. We over build things, and this was in the design stage. The tube itself is 1.5” DOM .25 wall, and it acts solely as a pivot point. It bears some weight but the weight is spread out over the bag mount, the pivot point and the upper bar.
There were also more crossmembers added afterward.
Ill be updating this more often, check us out facebook/smithchassis. also on IG.
Thanks for commenting!
Can this set up be put on a blazer?
where yall located?
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theres this thing called pinion angle geometry you jave to keep all the way thru the lift.. guess its back to the drawing board
the pinion angle started going awry at about 15 inches of lift and got worse from there. It never would have used that much lift, but the geometry was corrected.
Гениальная кинематика! Жаль, туда почти невозможно установить амортизаторы.
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Халигали надо как у уазика старого,рычажные
а то, что нижний рычаг пополам сломает на первой кочк никого не смущает?
@@ЕвгенийАврамов-ч3о да какие там кочки, это ж для понторезки лоурайдера всё придумано, они брюхом любят ползать.
им слово практичность чуждо)) я говорил лишь об уникальности схемы, ничего боле ...
@@ПавелКостерин-к6т а ничего что там тупо рессоры и одна поперечная тага?! где ж ты там рычаги нашёл? 😱
I will use this on my truck thank you (profile pic)
What's the ratio of those levers? Like 1.5:1? I'm just curious why you set them up that way since I've never seen a setup like this on any car. Also, those rolled tubing lower bag mounts are trick - this whole setup sort of blows my mind.
Looks like the bags may drag
these are nice to look at but not good for the road.
big scott you going to have to defend yourself on that statement why do you believe this sort of suspension wouldn't be good for road travel
hi there. do you have the measurements for this setup?
y cual es el mistero ?????
Where is this shop I want to bring my truck.?
e o diferencial ?