Q-Tip was trying to break up a fight with Wreckz-N-Effect and Prince Po from Organized Konfusion and that's how he got punched in the face. From that same concert.
+Mr. Sinister I can't remember if Cube said that new jack swing line before or after the beat down then lench mob got in NYC cause if it was after ppl pretty much knew Cube wasn't about that life
Real hip hop dudes like Kane and Mo Dee & Heavy D were down with New Jack Swing. Guy had exploded and that was the choice style of R&B for the Hip Hop generation. The issue was kinda like a "Harlem flash" vs. Brooklyn gritty" situation. Two different styles and presentations. Drug dealer vs. Bohemian. lol! Keeping it real Wrexx are lucky they didn't hit Phife, cause if they did there's no way they would've survived the war that was coming.
It took Teddy Riley about 3 years to bounce back as well. He was the hottest producer back then with that New Jack style. Even Produce Michael Jackson. Lucky he found Blackstreet.
+phix I was talking about Teddy Riley as a producer. After GUY he was the hottest producer. He produced Bobby Brown, Keith Sweat, Kool Moe Dee, Big Daddy Kane, and MJ. It seems after this, he kind of fell off but maybe because the music changed. Then he blew up again when he founded Blackstreet.
divine1son Yes, I understand what you mean. You are right in that statement. He feel off because he and Aaron fell out so he no longer had a group. He was still producing for other's like Michael Jackson, but he didn't return as an artist until Backstreet. I never FELT Backstreet like I did Guy. Guy was innovative Genius. I don't think enough credit goes to Aaron Hall or Gene Griffen for that original New Jack Swing sound. I don't even think Teddy can reproduce it alone on his own.
+phix 100% agree. Gene and Aaron had that soul. They had better music. Blackstreet was kind of put together. Riley had the same problems with Dave Hollister.
divine1son Yeah, you're right! Aaron definitely brought the soul. If you listen to his solo projects, (Don't be Afraid) you can see what his contribution to guy was. I actually think Gene Griffin was responsible for the sample arrangements heard on the first Guy album that made it sound so innovative like Big Daddy Kane's Raw in (My Fantasy) and James Brown in (Groove Me) and others. I think Teddy is mostly responsible for the rhythmic patterns because that's still something I notice he is able to do on his own. Teddy is also responsible for the sonic texture and sound shaping that nobody can match. Those 3 together created a new genre of music. It's a shame that conflicts over money and ego tore them apart so that more music couldn't be made and studied by people like us.
No Disrespect. But you really need to more in depth accurate research Teddy Riley was always their producer, his brother was in the group Markell Riley Teddy Produced the first album and also rapped on this album. Brandon Mitchell was the 3rd member of the group but died before the 2nd album dropped and teddy kinda took his place on certain tracks. So when you say "when teddy riley discovered them they had no structure" is wrong as they were always with him from the start.
Not true. They did confront Cube at The Apollo on 125th St. See Ceno forgot to add that before the part where he emphasized why they didn't confront Cube first, followed by that goofy laugh of his.
I remember in middle school hearing about them beefing on the radio. Never really knew what the problem was. New jack swing was ok but it was never going to last. Too corny to last.
I was born in '81. I remember back in the early nineties when it was out then and people in the streets weren't into it. It was the clean cut, good grades in school kids who were into that. Just a couple of years later here comes Dre and Snoop, then Redman, then Pac, then Wu, then Nas, then Big and on and on. So compared to these guys it was and still is very corny because where I grew up at in Baltimore, the list I just named got more play and more respect. Are any of those new jack swing guys around today? No. So please stop with the bullshit name calling. If you still listen to Boyz to Men and Teddy Riley then fine. That's you. But don't knock a dude who grew up in an area where that shit got played quick because LIFE was not on some damn new jack swing back then, idiot. Hence, the list above.
+John Doe (TruthSeeker) I feel ya. I didn't listen to them. it was NWA BDP EPMD Eric b and rakim. and the. like u said the wu. Nas. mobb deep. snoop Dre pac. but I did grow up on 70 r an b. so I did listen to boys to men. bcuz they continental r and b. and left off from the 80s r and b groups. NE , GUY, TROOP. THE FORCE MDS. can't listen to Nas when you tryin to get with a girl.
+John Doe (TruthSeeker) -I was born in 72 so I was in high school and college when New Jack swing was out. Now don't get it twisted, New Jack swing was hot. It just burned hot and fast. Trends, you know. But trust me it affected everything musically that came after it.
If I can remember I'm sure it wasn't even them, it was their goons called 'POSSE DEEP' who are are in the MC LYTE video RUFFNECK what Teddy Riley produced. If true what you are saying then that's very interesting, I remember it like yesterday and always wondered how their careers finished after that. RUMPSHAKER, was huge, MY CUTIE was average, and WRECK SHOP REMIX was nice, But being a massive tribe fan I never saw them in the same light again. And what makes it worse was TRIBE WASN'T EVEN DISSING THEM, they were just saying that's not their lane (style)as we all know they were coming from a hardcore hip hop JAZZ influence rather than hip hop SWING influence.Even then and especially now looking back 25 yrs later it's just EMBARRASSING all round.SADLY this is the only music art form where this BEHAVIOUR (which had the Nation not intervened could easily escalated to a senseless killing) could of happened. AND I'VE LOVED HIP HOP. SINCE 1983. BUT TRUTH HAS TO BE TOLD.
Moral of the story children........don't even think about hitting Q-tip........or your life will never be the same! BBD had nothing to do with the New Jack Swing sound........not sure why they are being compared.
NJS was around years before Poison lol Idk why he said BBD came out with the NJS movement. What about Keith Sweat's first album, Johnny Kemp "Just Got Paid", Guy's first album, etc.?
I heard parts of this story but not the whole thing. I know Qtip had to wear whole face mask for the video so people always wondered how bad the damage was.
Sounds like those ol’ school guys are SOFT. Won’t even throw the hands like men. They black balled dudes like a snitch at work. Respect to Wrecksx N Effect.
Karceno a lil off on this one wreckx n effect was already out for like 4/5 yrs before they got a hit with rump shaker which was the end of the new jack swing era time changing is what ended wreckx n effect
I think the fact that music is constantly evolving is why they failed after a 3 or 4 year layoff. In order to take a layoff that long they would've had to had a string of hits to make their core audience hungry for more.
Now this is the Karceno I like. Doing the stuff that originally made me subscribe in the first place. Hopefully you'll keep this up and not resort back to doing media takeout and breakfast club bullshit "gossip" stories.
Ok I see. However it's hard to argue the fact that Guy really was the number 1 NJS group. BBD did their thing but Guy were the trailblazers, Teddy Riley invented the sound & BBD kinda jumped on the bandwagon
There is one thing missing....that is why teddy Riley never gets touched .....Mike conception.dig deeper and ask itself why ..also listen to the Riley interview about when she wanted to sign him to death row
check my creds. head buster from the streets of Linden Blvd Queens. Karceno if you wanna know any real truths to the story. here I AM. Q tip was my brother then and still is. I will say though, that was a wild and crazy night SMH!!!. R.I.P. Baby Chris, Lyor Cowen etc we were all there. to the end bro.
wow i usually watch your vids for some clarity but after this i cant flow wit it anymore. now I'm thinking all the rest of your so called truths may be suspect. you tried with this though. but you went off course. SMH
my man if you're gonna tell the story tell it right. it did not go down like that. me and Tip arrived together from start to finish. i couldn't wait to hear if you were going to be at least partially true wit it. you got it right all the way to the fight. PERIOD.
Q-Tip was trying to break up a fight with Wreckz-N-Effect and Prince Po from Organized Konfusion and that's how he got punched in the face. From that same concert.
I would've loved to seen Wreckx go against Ice Cube! And this is back when Cube was with Da Lynch Mob
Don't get it twisted Teddy was connected with a few Harlem g'z
MrWARBUCKS24 and we all know who cube was down with in NY and no one wants those problems hahahahahaha
+Mr. Sinister I can't remember if Cube said that new jack swing line before or after the beat down then lench mob got in NYC cause if it was after ppl pretty much knew Cube wasn't about that life
MrWARBUCKS24 about what life?
What's messed up is Teddy Riley instigated the whole thing he could've told Wreckx to just ignore Phife Doggs verse, Teddy is largely responsible
+Jada Blaze I think Teddy wanted to keep it on wax so, Teddy hyped it up because he wanted them to do a diss track!!!!
Funny too! Cause I think tony Toni tone used the "new jack swing, Cube version on the hook of one of their songs "if I had no loot!"
That's actually the first time I heard that sample. LOL!
+RdotBlade the Emcee word!!
Tony Toni Toné sampled ice cube line from his second album Death Certificate
Aaron Allen yessir!! “And you can New Jack Swiiiing from my 🥜!!”
Real hip hop dudes like Kane and Mo Dee & Heavy D were down with New Jack Swing. Guy had exploded and that was the choice style of R&B for the Hip Hop generation. The issue was kinda like a "Harlem flash" vs. Brooklyn gritty" situation. Two different styles and presentations. Drug dealer vs. Bohemian. lol! Keeping it real Wrexx are lucky they didn't hit Phife, cause if they did there's no way they would've survived the war that was coming.
Wreckx N Effect Career Came To A Screechin Halt After That
phife might have been shortr but he was THAT DUDE!!!! and a die hard laker fan
"And you can new jack swiiiiiinngg, on my nuts" lol!!! I remember that sample from Tony Toni Tone - The Blues.
"If I Have No Loot"
It's like treach stepped to de la so dissing tupac but he didn't step to dmx who dissed the hell outta pac.
Guy took Ney Jaack Swing to a new level too
Q-TIP the G.O.A.T.
Wreckx Shop (Remix) was kinda tight!!!
+Torrey D. LMAO, kinda!!!!
The original was better to me tho.
Torrey D. 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Did u know Teddy Riley's brother was also in the group Wrecksx N Effect
Teddy's brother was dead when this went down
+MrWARBUCKS24 Markell Riley is not dead.
+K1NG M1DWAY that's right I was thinking about his other brother from the group Brandon that got killed in Harlem
When keeping it real Goes wrong
man a tribe called quest are kinda dope
Rump Shaker gotta be the most order video on The Box.
Yes! Followed by Real Love lol
It took Teddy Riley about 3 years to bounce back as well. He was the hottest producer back then with that New Jack style. Even Produce Michael Jackson. Lucky he found Blackstreet.
+divine1son Teddy's struggle had nothing to do with this incident. It was all due to Gene Griffen and Aaron Hall.
+phix I was talking about Teddy Riley as a producer. After GUY he was the hottest producer. He produced Bobby Brown, Keith Sweat, Kool Moe Dee, Big Daddy Kane, and MJ. It seems after this, he kind of fell off but maybe because the music changed. Then he blew up again when he founded Blackstreet.
divine1son Yes, I understand what you mean. You are right in that statement. He feel off because he and Aaron fell out so he no longer had a group. He was still producing for other's like Michael Jackson, but he didn't return as an artist until Backstreet. I never FELT Backstreet like I did Guy. Guy was innovative Genius. I don't think enough credit goes to Aaron Hall or Gene Griffen for that original New Jack Swing sound. I don't even think Teddy can reproduce it alone on his own.
+phix 100% agree. Gene and Aaron had that soul. They had better music. Blackstreet was kind of put together. Riley had the same problems with Dave Hollister.
divine1son Yeah, you're right! Aaron definitely brought the soul. If you listen to his solo projects, (Don't be Afraid) you can see what his contribution to guy was.
I actually think Gene Griffin was responsible for the sample arrangements heard on the first Guy album that made it sound so innovative like Big Daddy Kane's Raw in (My Fantasy) and James Brown in (Groove Me) and others.
I think Teddy is mostly responsible for the rhythmic patterns because that's still something I notice he is able to do on his own. Teddy is also responsible for the sonic texture and sound shaping that nobody can match. Those 3 together created a new genre of music. It's a shame that conflicts over money and ego tore them apart so that more music couldn't be made and studied by people like us.
Thought it was a mask, not an eye patch
No Disrespect. But you really need to more in depth accurate research
Teddy Riley was always their producer, his brother was in the group Markell Riley
Teddy Produced the first album and also rapped on this album.
Brandon Mitchell was the 3rd member of the group but died before the 2nd album dropped and teddy kinda took his place on certain tracks.
So when you say "when teddy riley discovered them they had no structure" is wrong as they were always with him from the start.
It is kinda funny they didn't step to Ice Cube though Lol!
They knew better !! Lmao !!
Word!!
Not true. They did confront Cube at The Apollo on 125th St. See Ceno forgot to add that before the part where he emphasized why they didn't confront Cube first, followed by that goofy laugh of his.
I thought it was only W.C(Dub C)who dissed Q-tip.
Truth behind the Cap'n Crunch vs Lucky Charms beef
+Special K LMAO
You owe me:
1- Guinness Extra Stout
1- Corsair keyboard
I remember in middle school hearing about them beefing on the radio. Never really knew what the problem was. New jack swing was ok but it was never going to last. Too corny to last.
+John Doe (TruthSeeker) New Jack Swing was FAR from Corny you silly sounding idiot.
When the fuck were you born?
I was born in '81. I remember back in the early nineties when it was out then and people in the streets weren't into it. It was the clean cut, good grades in school kids who were into that. Just a couple of years later here comes Dre and Snoop, then Redman, then Pac, then Wu, then Nas, then Big and on and on. So compared to these guys it was and still is very corny because where I grew up at in Baltimore, the list I just named got more play and more respect. Are any of those new jack swing guys around today? No. So please stop with the bullshit name calling. If you still listen to Boyz to Men and Teddy Riley then fine. That's you. But don't knock a dude who grew up in an area where that shit got played quick because LIFE was not on some damn new jack swing back then, idiot. Hence, the list above.
+John Doe (TruthSeeker) I feel ya. I didn't listen to them. it was NWA BDP EPMD Eric b and rakim. and the. like u said the wu. Nas. mobb deep. snoop Dre pac. but I did grow up on 70 r an b. so I did listen to boys to men. bcuz they continental r and b. and left off from the 80s r and b groups. NE , GUY, TROOP. THE FORCE MDS. can't listen to Nas when you tryin to get with a girl.
+John Doe (TruthSeeker) -I was born in 72 so I was in high school and college when New Jack swing was out. Now don't get it twisted, New Jack swing was hot. It just burned hot and fast. Trends, you know. But trust me it affected everything musically that came after it.
AIv Thompson "can't listen to Nas when you tryin to get with a girl." Lol. true, true...
Another one I always wanted to know about
I always wanted to hear this one!!!!
+Chris The Jerk is that your dad in the avatar?
No, that's me!!!!
Nigga you look like Curtis Blow,,LOL..
+LongJerryCurl Now that one, I've never heard!!!!
I remember this like yesterday.
If I can remember I'm sure it wasn't even them, it was their goons called 'POSSE DEEP' who are are in the MC LYTE video RUFFNECK what Teddy Riley produced. If true what you are saying then that's very interesting, I remember it like yesterday and always wondered how their careers finished after that. RUMPSHAKER, was huge, MY CUTIE was average, and WRECK SHOP REMIX was nice, But being a massive tribe fan I never saw them in the same light again. And what makes it worse was TRIBE WASN'T EVEN DISSING THEM, they were just saying that's not their lane (style)as we all know they were coming from a hardcore hip hop JAZZ influence rather than hip hop SWING influence.Even then and especially now looking back 25 yrs later it's just EMBARRASSING all round.SADLY this is the only music art form where this BEHAVIOUR (which had the Nation not intervened could easily escalated to a senseless killing) could of happened. AND I'VE LOVED HIP HOP. SINCE 1983. BUT TRUTH HAS TO BE TOLD.
Wow thank you Karceno I never knew this.
One part of Wreckx N Effect is Teddy Riley's little brother.
ALL MUSIC IS BASED OFF NEW JACK SWING
All NEW music lol
king esseen some 80s
and 90s rap
now all
Zulu nation aint nothing to play with
Teddy Riley was that nigga too.
C'mon now, Teddy Riley was S-Curl and definitely not 'that nigga' as how you describe him.
Moral of the story children........don't even think about hitting Q-tip........or your life will never be the same! BBD had nothing to do with the New Jack Swing sound........not sure why they are being compared.
NJS was around years before Poison lol Idk why he said BBD came out with the NJS movement. What about Keith Sweat's first album, Johnny Kemp "Just Got Paid", Guy's first album, etc.?
Correct.....He's way off
My man you got the story all wrong. I don’t know where you got it from but you are wrong homie and wreckx is still touring now. Get your lies straight
Can you do a beef between me and my baby momma beef
I heard parts of this story but not the whole thing. I know Qtip had to wear whole face mask for the video so people always wondered how bad the damage was.
it was over Prince Po from Organized Konfusion
Sounds like those ol’ school guys are SOFT. Won’t even throw the hands like men. They black balled dudes like a snitch at work. Respect to Wrecksx N Effect.
rip phife
Karceno a lil off on this one wreckx n effect was already out for like 4/5 yrs before they got a hit with rump shaker which was the end of the new jack swing era time changing is what ended wreckx n effect
wrex was in effect now it's time to collect.
I think the fact that music is constantly evolving is why they failed after a 3 or 4 year layoff. In order to take a layoff that long they would've had to had a string of hits to make their core audience hungry for more.
Good one ceno
Now this is the Karceno I like. Doing the stuff that originally made me subscribe in the first place. Hopefully you'll keep this up and not resort back to doing media takeout and breakfast club bullshit "gossip" stories.
I was fans of both teams and still is.
Gosh Sorry!
BBD Yeah they were ok. But Guy were the number 1 new jack swing group. PERIOD
Goluckymusic4life BBD?
Case Laron You don't know who Bell Biv Devoe is?
Muki yep I was just asking did he really mean they were just ok
Ok I see. However it's hard to argue the fact that Guy really was the number 1 NJS group. BBD did their thing but Guy were the trailblazers, Teddy Riley invented the sound & BBD kinda jumped on the bandwagon
Wasnt aware of this one
and its odd because 2pac career was jump started when he started his song while they were still on stage that time #facto
I wanna request that new edition vs guy beef please karceno4life
When keeping it real goes wrong 😑
Rip Phife
There is one thing missing....that is why teddy Riley never gets touched .....Mike conception.dig deeper and ask itself why ..also listen to the Riley interview about when she wanted to sign him to death row
When suge knight wanted to sign him
It was sort of a mask he wore, check the video "hot sex"
all stupid rappers careers should end like this.
start a dumb beef, get kicked out the industry.
Teddy is the kind of new jack swing
check my creds. head buster from the streets of Linden Blvd Queens. Karceno if you wanna know any real truths to the story. here I AM. Q tip was my brother then and still is. I will say though, that was a wild and crazy night SMH!!!. R.I.P. Baby Chris, Lyor Cowen etc we were all there. to the end bro.
wow i usually watch your vids for some clarity but after this i cant flow wit it anymore. now I'm thinking all the rest of your so called truths may be suspect. you tried with this though. but you went off course. SMH
my man if you're gonna tell the story tell it right. it did not go down like that. me and Tip arrived together from start to finish. i couldn't wait to hear if you were going to be at least partially true wit it. you got it right all the way to the fight. PERIOD.
Just 4 the record... They did step 2 Cube on 125th st at the Apollo
i remember that
That was Mob$tyle not them.
Lol this is old but this is definitely way off and Cube was stepped to at the Apollo I was there for both situations...
Man , you don't know NOTHING
King typo
Do the beef between Jeezy & Goldmouth
EAST VS WEST COAST BEEF
where is wreckx & effect at now lol
Do the truth behind the biggie smalls love triangle
which on big faith kim, big faith Charli, big kim Charli
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