I had 2 black and white portable TV's when I was a kid. After school I would climb up to my treehouse and watch PBS kids. Of course I could go in to the house to watch it in color, but it was the novelty of watching TV inside my treehouse that kept me coming back.
Yeah I bought one as a teenager WELL after they were obsolete along with a car adapter and one of those Atari 15 in 1 games. Watched the hell out of some PBS (Public Broadcasting System - more or less the sad, withered US version of the BBC) and played that game until the cheap buttons broke.
I had a few of them as a kid that I got from boot sales in the uk (swap meets USA) they were cool but the novelty wore off quite quickly because I had a TV in my room anyways.
Most obsolete thing in that list is a tree house, do you know how psychotic people are about those now? There was a neighbor who kept reporting a family to every single agency he can think of because of a tree house. Its a shame, they love to Maskarade the country as a free country but a wooden box in a tree is outlawed for being, "Dangerous."
Have to hate how poorly digital tv works.. or doesn't in what used to be the semi fringe and fringe areas. Blessing and curse, we not have cell phones and UA-cam, and Texhmoan
Look in the UA-cam editor for the Annotations function and type in a little "oops I meant to say ..." and have it pop up for a few seconds at that point.
In ‘98 or ‘99 I bought an RCA handheld with my Christmas money, it was honestly awesome camping and being able to watch TV, even if there was rarely anything entertaining on. Edit: tried finding the model, turned out it was a Casio TV-880
They were getting rid of an old model to make room for the newer version and with my discount I got it (originally like $150 USD) for $35, told them I'd take it not to sale it to anyone, I used that for years and thought I was something lol.
However, a handheld digital tv has the massive advantage that you don't need to pay your mobile provider to receive program (and get throttled for the rest of the month after an hour or two of watching).
@@rolfs2165 most phones are able to receive radio on them so if your country has mobile tv stations then you can root your phone and get some apps to let you use them. Though they don't really work great.
@@rolfs2165 Not sure where you are but I'm in the US on T-Mobile and they're pretty generous with their unlimited Internet. I'll stream UA-cam/Netflix/Hulu/Prime at work all day every day and while the contract does say they will throttle the highest users I've never hit that cap. I know a guy who doesn't even have Internet at home, just uses his phone and he's an IT professional so hardly a light user; he's never hit the cap either. YMMV of course but maybe it's time for a new cell provider?
@@thrdeye7304 T-Mobile Germany, and lolnope. They throttle down to dial-up speed the second you hit the cap. Unfortunately, the other mobile providers here do the same, so switching won't make a difference.
I have one in my garage my grandpa gave me as a kid. Used to load 10 (yes 10) D cell batteries in it and carry it around in my backpack when i biked around.
Dear Techmoan,I live in South Korea, and the Galaxy S8 sold locally still supports DMB. The headphone cable serves as the antenna, so it has to be plugged in in order to use DMB - there has not been any aerial built into smartphones for years now. My Korean-spec Galaxy S5 was working in the same way. I occasionally still see people watching DMB in public, although streaming services are taking over. With the fastest mobile network in the world, the image quality of streaming surpasses that of DMB a great deal. Oh, and they both work in the subway, too!
I'm a bit disappointed. Using the headphones as an antenna is smart, but seeing all these smartphones with antennas in the Korean subway 3-4 years ago looked pretty cool!
Very true, blast from the past. Stuff turns into history so quickly. Those antennas are now harder to spot than the occasional appearance of a badass flip-phone.
In addition to South Korea, mobile television is still supported well in Japan. The Japanese standard (ISDB-T "1seg") piggybacks the mobile signal on the regular TV broadcasts so it doesn't require any separate infrastructure, and all the regular broadcast channels are available. Also the Japanese model of the Samsung Galaxy S8+ does support 1seg, although you have to plug in an external antenna wire (kinda like how portable FM radios use the headphone lead as an antenna)
Karl Baron Just to add to your information: Some asisn markets sell local branded phones with built in TV functionality. For instance, the Philippines has the "my|phone" branded television phones that use the same system as South Korea, though the phones are the old keypad type.
John / DDFusion Philippines and other places have 1seg too. it's part of the TV standard (1seg refering to it being a single segment in the channel for that boardcast) and not really a Japan thing. Either way I think it's on it's way out now that almost everyone has a phone with UA-cam.
The problem here in the Philippines, the internet is slow AF, so you can't stream a video properly (unless you're lucky enough to afford an expensive plan). Good thing the local-branded smartphones in the said country (like Starmobile, Cherry Mobile and MyPhone) have an ISDB-T tuner too, not just 1-seg, they're also capable of receiving a full-pledged ISDB-T system (some people call it "Full Seg") just like on the ISDB-T capable TV or set-top-box.
Garrett I have a device that plugs into my cellphone or tablet and I watch local Digital TV with it. USB HD TV/FM Tuner cards for desktop computers are cool too.
My wife gave me a Casio/Radio Shack mini color TV for Christmas of 1990. She thought enough of me (understating it actually) to buy the three year extended warranty. I have this TV still and the fading receipt to this day. Some small dust particles infiltrated the inside of the screen over the decades but as my wife passed away in June of '02 I have preserved it as an artifact. I used the little TV many times at work on the overnight shift but it really proved its value when my coworkers and I were huddled around it to watch Operation Desert Shield become Operation Desert Storm throughout early 1991.
I remember back in 2004 when we had to go on a school trip when I was in high school and my buddy brought a portable hand held TV so we could watch a specific anime during the time it aired since we knew we would be in the bus. People called us losers for bringing a tv but once we started watching, those same people that called us losers were pretty much watching the show with us. It was a simpler time, no UA-cam and no smart phones or any streaming service at that. Now watching stuff on your phone or tablet is so common and if I told my 15 year old self about our technology now, his head might explode.
I remember back in my high-school days bringing my portable colored TV and all my friends gathering around at lunch watching whatever we could at the time. Simpler times... How I miss thee.
In 2004 UA-cam was only a year away. Streaming and mobile technology has developed a lot since though and no one could have imagined the world we have now, it’s amazing.
@Domen Gregorčič i am 16 and i would love it if analog tv was still around. at least the antenna TV. Since the switchover to digital it is almost impossible to watch TV where i live. i still dont get why the good stuff is turned off and is replaced with something that doesnt work at all. they could have just left it like it was.....
2004 wasn't exactly 1972 you complete idiot. "It was a simpler time, no UA-cam and no smart phones or any streaming service at that." UA-cam was founded in 2005 and Facebook in 2004. I think you will find streaming has been available since the 1990s and Smartphones have been around since 2002. I bought my Sony LCD TV in 2006 and Blu-rays came out in 2006. Clearly you were too young in 2004 to remember things properly, yes we also had digital cameras. As I said you sound like you're talking about the 1960's or 70's. KNOB.
Try moving where there is no OTA TV available. The gov't should mandate free live streaming of programming from the nearest big city, even with commercials. Anything that Grannie can see on her digital TV in the city, should be live streamed statewide.
Around here they kept transmitting a "Analog signals have stopped broadcasting since (date when they stopped). To continue using your TV, please install a digital receiver box" or such. Dunno if they still do it tho, I think they might have stopped that already.
In the Philippines, TV phones are still being used and made. Local brand phones are the ones making them and it appeals to a lot of people who can't afford a decent smart phone.
bentep0511 Some of them are analog TV with Worldwide TV tuners (NTSC USA/Japan, PAL-D/K China, PAL-I Hong Kong, PAL-M Brazil, PAL-N Argentina, PAL-B/G Indonesia, etc...
This is the problem with digital. If you don't have good reception, you can kiss goodbye to watching TV overall. With analog, you can at least see through the layer of static or something...
That's what I thought the whole time. It's also the same with audio: just a little noise in the background with a analog signal, but a complete mess with a digital signal
Really, I don't know why people didn't let TVs support both types of signals side-by-side, as digital TV has better picture quality but has more severe picture breakup than analog when the signal's shit. I guess it was just too expensive to hold onto analog after more than half a century.
Because there is only so much spectrum that exists in the air to accomodate things like TVs, radios, Wifi, mobile phones, and governments have to make decisions about which device gets what or nothing would work as it would all conflict (similar to how people used to have those car FM radio broadcasters which would broadcast and interrupt an FM frequency with its own input). Analogue TV in similar resolution uses more bandwidth than Digital TV, it's why Digital is so much flakier. More channels though provide broadcasters with more options for consumers. That is unless you have less, high-bandwidth channels. Not all media owners wanted multi-channel, in Australia Kerry Packer who owned the biggest network was very against multi-channel and fought against the other network, who saw it as four ways of taking viewers from Kerry rather than just having one way. He insisted on running one full HD channel in MPEG2, using his spectrum that way. (Pretty sure that's what happened, happy to be wrong though) Now, however, HD channels tend to be run using MPEG4 which is more efficient.
+kbbbb7 A minor point but in most places it's not the government who made those decisions. It was in countries like North Korea, but not in Europe and America.
TVs did support both types of signal side by side, for years. They didn't remove analog from the tuners until designs started after there weren't any signals left to receive.
Your reviews are some of the most interesting and most honest feeling on the internet. You don't review uninteresting fads (at least not modern ones, hahh) just things you find interesting and think we will too. I think I speak for all of your fans when I say that we are very grateful for that.
Little piece of advice from somebody that got stuck with one of those things for a few months. The antennas are supposed to be attached to something made of metal (their base is magnetic) in order to boost their signal. I had a metal bed frame, so I tried using it and the signal was strong enough to pick some channels, and they would, sometimes, look good. But since, as life goes, you could watch that thing for hours whitout problems, but when your favourite show is coming up the signal will go away, one night I got really pissed off and started making some experiments. I was very happy to find that you can make one of these antennas work VERY reliably by putting it inside a pot, and then pointing the pot to the bradcasting station, pretty much like roof antennas are. Eventually I found out that a simple bottle cut as to form a "mirror" covered with aluminum foil would make a very effective replacement for my precious pot.
Congrats on re-inventing a parabolic antenna, sounds like you had lots of fun getting there. (This isn’t me being sarcastic, that genuinely sounds like fun and possibly something I’d have gotten up to given time and a similar problem. Am I a nerd? Never mind, don’t answer that.)
Those little aerials you're having trouble with are magnetically mounted. You have to actually place them on a large metal surface for optimum performance.
I was hoping someone would have pointed this out. They need a ground plane to work. That being said, those little antennas suck. I've taken a few apart and they are really poorly made for the most part.
To explain, those antennas are designed to have a metal ground plane. If you put them on a big flat metal surface (traditionally the top of your car) then you will get much better results. Probably not great, but better.
Just to simplify this explanation, those are car antennas. The car functions as one half of the antenna. The magnetic base is not for convenience, it is the middle part of the antenna. Once either antenna is placed in the center of the roof of a car, it will work decently. There is a more technical explanation, but it's not really necessary.
Yeah I've used the mini-whip on a coffee can and it helps, but I used it mainly for SDR Radio with a £7 'R820 T2' USB TV dongle. FM scanner, Airband, AM, DAB, CB, ADSB plane tracking, pager decoding & SW, HF HAM SSB, with a long wire. It also works as a TV on an Android tablet/phone.
This is one of the advantages Analog TV had: the range from the transmitter/repeater was many times better than even the longest-reaching digital signals UPDATE: ATSC 3.0 is rolling out and promises some massive range improvements over ATSC 1.0
Another huge advantage of analogue TVs was the excellent Nicam Stereo sound, far better than highly compressed AAC/mp4 we have to suffer today, and also, the colour gamut was better, flowers didn't have their colours clipped on Gardeners world .👍👍
I remember those phones with a mobile TV when I lived in South Korea, but the only people I ever seen using it were middle-aged taxi drivers who would watch TV when on the job 😂
I miss anolog TV. It was more reliable than digital. Sometimes I could pick up stations a hundred miles away, with Digital, there's one I can't pick up 30 miles from here. I know I know, I can watch stations through my DirecTV, streams, etc but it was a fun hobbby for me, picking up distant stations (DXing). I' kept an antenna (Ariel) conneted to my TV to do just that. A battery operated handheld seemed perfect if there's an emergency and your power is out , but now your choices are a digital signal that barely works (if at all), or using data ($$$$) to watch on your phone. TV stations should have at least temporary anolog signals for said emergencies.
+blackandblue10 I remember one time while living in Ohio, I somehow got the signal from a tv station in Louisiana. It was very snowy, but it was definitely from Louisiana as it showed local advertisements. Analogue was too easy, that's why they went to digitial, so you can't know what is going on elsewhere unless they tell you.
I have exceeded 1000 miles on more than one occasion while living near Fresno, California picking up a signal from Wichita Falls Texas. The following day while seeing if I could get the Ft Worth signal back, the reflection shifted north to the Dakotas where I picked up a PBS affiliate. Of course the signals weren't solid and coming in and out from totally clear to fuzzy in regular waves lasting only minutes and just long enough to get the station ID. Needless to say I was stoked when I found out where it was coming from. I heard east coast Floridians could sometimes receive New York TV when the conditions are right. Typically I could reliably DX as far as about 200 miles with a good outside antenna and on one occasion the atmospheric reflection was strong enough to receive every Sacramento station at the same 200 mile distance as clearly as local TV with just rabbit ears. This usually required very strong high pressure or high humidity/fog.
I beg to differ, at least in my area..you always knew you would get at least 3 channels on Analog Antenna no matter what. Nowadays, everything is so data dependent from the internet, streaming, cloud storage, etc. Which has went down on me more times in one year than my old Antenna TV signal ever did in my lifetime.
Picture quality has many aspects. In a few aspects analog cinema had a better picture quality than the tubes provided. But in many aspects, analog TV had a better picture (and sound) quality than (analog) cinema. The cinema lobby couldn't stand it. There was a hostile takeover of TV by that lobby. The lobby degraded TV through the process of switchover to digital. Digital TV is worse than analog TV in all aspects where analog TV had been better than film.
I remember my Sega GameGear came with a TV tuner that turned it into a handheld TV. It never worked, although back in the day I’m sure it functioned fine. I got the whole console with all the accessories around 2008 or 2009 at a garage sale for $5, and the kit had seen some serious use by then. The thought of having a handheld TV fascinated me though.
Is the UK standard as bad as the US? Image wise, its good... but being a digital signal its extremely vulnerable to interference. Basically if you grew up in an area with a so-so tv analogue signal that was watchable you got shafted when everything went digital.
It's a bit more dependent on having a good aerial installation (you're less likely to get away with a set top aerial) but works pretty well on the whole. With a decent rooftop or loft aerial and good quality cabling It works fine in everywhere I've lived.
It's rubbish. We've spent a fortune trying to get a consistent picture: new aerials, signal amplifiers, had the cabling checked and re-checked etc. The problem is that we get a decent picture in HD or SD for a while and then it just drops out altogether or badly pixelates.
I’m 15 now, but when I was 8, I remembered my grandparents had one laying around in the closet and I remembered the only channel they had were the Spanish channels. Over time the channels were going away until I couldn’t find anymore
Here in Portugal, all our ISPs have Android and iOS apps that let you watch close to 200 channels, and usually it doesn't consume mobile data. So I guess that, in a way, that's a natural successor of the handheld TV.
Vrej Egon Spengler Here, all ISPs have mobile plans, so most people use the same company for both. So if you do use the same for both services, you can watch any channel using mobile data without limits.
You're lucky. Here in the US while there are a lot of apps, they ALL require you to sign in with a cable provider, even if it's a free broadcast channel. It's so shitty how data carriers (cable, ISP, and phone) screw over their customers here with geographic monopolies.
When I was a child, I always wanted a portable TV. Now I have one!... in the form of a smartphone. And I just watched this video on it, in a car park. With UA-cam over 4G and several gigabytes to play with, I don't see myself ever using the portable TV I dreamed about in my youth. Phones are so much nicer. Though for what it's worth, I chose this phone for its TV-like screen. My inner child is happy. XD
Victoria Hammond Same. Although my grandfather died recently and I got his small portable b/w tv. I thought it was the single coolest thing when I was wee, I was never allowed to touch it.Now I own it and it picks up nothing :( I still thibk it is cool although it is only cathode ray b/w static.
wow how the word phone has gotten a whole new meaning as well! I gues back in the 80 having a phone would sound inferior to having a TV? but now look what all the telephone does!amazing
NowForTheTruth I was thinking of somehow using it to show pip boy on fallout if there was a mod for that to be shown on a separate screen. Or maybe in artworks.Either way I am gonna figure out a way of converting hdmi to rf so I can watch dvds on it or something just for fun.
I remember when I was young and had my first game console, the Sega game gear. There was a tv tuner extension for it that I was never able to get my hands on. It was way to expensive new and I only ever found 1 second hand and the seller stopped responding to me after agreeing on price. :'(
I had one of those as a teenager, got it from the classifieds. The tip of the tuner's antenna was broken off when I got it but you could just plug a TV cable right into the antenna tube. Good times. I probably still have it in my parents's place.
There's one in a second hand video game shop in my hometown, still in the original box. The GameGear was amazing, the back-lit colour screen was about a decade ahead of Nintendo.
I had 1 of them as kid my mom bought it for a Christmas gift it was neat to have got all the local channels on it we're better than the TV with rabbit ears
I think the biggest problem was the fact that a separate network had to be built for hand-helds. The old analog receivers could tune into the normal tv signal your big tv would use. That is why the old handhelds were great. With digital, you can build a tuners small enough for a hand held but the radio transmission standard was not great for units with small antennas or where the unit was roaming like a person watching tv in a car. Both the us and European dtv systems suffered this problem. Japan’s dtv standard on the other hand is different. They used the lessons learned from the us and European and rolled out a 3rd gen system called 7-seg. (Europe glad 1st gen and Us 2nd gen.) the standard allowed for tv signals to be received by mobile devices like the South Korean phones. When I was in japan in 2008 I was able to play with such a unit at a store and it worked well inside a building. I personally saw people watching tv on the phones on a bus. The 7-seg standard was designed so the radio signal would be received via a smaller antenna (I think) and would work when user was moving. To summarize 7-seg did not suffer from many on signal drop issues with digital tv signals as the us and European standards. Analog tv signals had more tolerance to signal drop, etc and were thus seems “ usable”. Such portable dtv units are still sold here in the us. Heck, I have one. But I think 4g pretty such wiped out any interest here in the us.
I have a "HDTV" handheld TV and the reception is crummy unless the signal is very strong or use large TV antenna. It can still possibly be useful but not for watching while walking/portable use
Weirdly I keep having dreams where there are old B&W portable TVs that still work, because for some reason they kept broadcasting 1 or 2 channels still on analogue. Yes, most of my dreams ARE this fascinating, thank you for asking.
@Shufei In the Germany-Netherlands-Belgium border region, my TV just last year still managed to pick up 32 analog channels, compared to 150 digital ones.
Here in Brazil, mobile TV is very common, most of the low-end and middle-end phones come with the TV tuner, but not the high-end phones, and it's very popular, many people really use it, as here we have the japanese digital TV standard (ISDB-T), which have the mobile TV standard (1seg) already in the standard, and all of the channels work with both the HD and mobile signal. I had two phones with digital TV tuner (had a low-end feature phone back in 2009, and a Xperia Z1), and worked great almost everywhere. Now i have a mobile TV tuner from Tivizen, which works even better than the built in tuner in the phones, as it's wireless, and you can put it in the place which have the better reception, and the app is avaliable for Android and iOS.
I'm from Brazil too and I can also vouch for that, but I also used to see some people watching TV on analog devices, up until recently when they turned that off here too. Still, I think it's slowly getting less popular with time. In the beginning, smart phones were struggling with carrying EITHER 3G functionality or TV tuning capabilities. We can now see who really "won" that battle.
CGITV NTSC Countries like Taiwan, Colombia, Panama, Curacao and Trinidad uses DVB-T/T2. Also DVB-T in both Taiwan and Colombia uses US frequency UHF CH 14 - 69. Same frequency used in Brazil/Philippines ISDB-T and Suriname/USA/South Korean ATSC. Taiwan’s NTSC TV shutdown in 2010 to replace DVB-T broadcasts in 60 Hz. UHF TV 14-69 unlike PAL frequencies 21-69.
When “lcd picture frames” were a thing (about 10+ years ago) I bought my mother-in-law one as a present and that had a DVB-t tuner in it, in fact it looked almost identical to the one in this video but didn’t have built in battery and the menu was a lot more basic. I think it was around £15-20.
Great video but with one big gap. Here in Japan we've been using OneSeg digital TV for about 10 years. The first system was low quality at about 15fps. Around 5 years ago a new updated system came out with full HD image at 30fps and digital menus, subtitles, recording and the rest of it such as interactive options. The phone I'm typing this on also have the HD OneSeg system. It's a Xperia ZL2.
Retro Core Japan always gets the coolest stuff! But, seriously, you know how to solve problems. Reliable electronics, durable cars, trains that are always on time, and lots more. I would like to think that I would fit in there. Things are much different in the United States.
I have an imported Japanese cellphone with dtv and a little telescopic aerial built in. It can also receive ota emergency broadcasts like tsunami warnings via the tuner. Of coarse it doesn't work outside japan although im willing to bet there's a way to flash it to receive other standards as all it is is a software defined radio.
In Brazil we have the 1seg standard too. Newer phones now came with full ISDB support so we can watch full hd channels, my Moto G5 Plus have full hd digital tv tunner
Gakken Worldeye, our man did a review of it a while ago. Running a custom-made video by one of the subscribers here, which he made available to download. I don't know the URL, do some work yourself!
Obviously, when it works well, it's great, but I really kind of miss the analogue TV signals. I used to have a scanner as a kid, and it thrilled me when I realized I could listen to television on the scanner. Also, you had to deal with snowy audio and picture, but analogue tv was at least watchable with spotty signal. Digital is much less so. I suppose it's like most of the digital modes of radio technology: it allows greater information at lesser bandwidth or lower power, but the tradeoff is packet loss rendering received information useless in digital modes relative to rendering it extremely noisy in analogue ones.
in some countries like mine, analogue signal is still working, for some reason I managed to syntonize the video game signal from a neighboar I guess, kind of weird, I was just messing around with the antenna and suddenly I managed to get some space shooter gameplay.
My experience with over-the-air digital in the USA was that the signal was very finicky. I tried several small antennas in a basement for the mother-in-law and got broken-up gibberish. Went bigtime, installed a fullblown aerial in my attic [I ain't going on the roof y'all] and get like 100 channels perfectly. Digital is digital - when it works it's perfect. When you're one bit off you know it error-correctly parity algos. and all.
William W Powell that's so nice that you get like 100 channels without paying anything to a TV provider, here in Mexico we have like 10 free digital channels, everything else is locked through a TV provider (direct TV, sky, etc)
Guru Laghima Maybe he does live in NYC or LA or along the Mexican or Canadian border, or he is using a little hyperbole. In my metro area of about 100k, we have between 10 and 20 channels, only several aren't real channels, like weather tower cameras, and live radar feeds. I use cable, but it looks like a viable alternative for broadcast TV.
Buddy Clem many of the channels are just duplicates. Like you might get a local NBC from one city and another from another city. Most of the programming is still the same with exception to the local news/weather.
Buddy Clem in my rural Midwestern american area area, you can pickup 30-40 channels assuming you have a decent antenna instslled with plenty of height.
I have a TV but I have free cable in my apartment but I mostly use it for movies with Kodi so I can watch the newest pirated movies released and of course stuff for my kids
I own a television, but it's really just a monitor for my DVD player. I almost never watch broadcast television anymore, and only watch cable television when I'm over at my parents' house doing laundry.
martialimitator Broadcasts will continue, but U.K. broadcasters are gradually transferring to online transmissions. It's reasonable to assume that OTA broadcasts will be phased out completely one day, since the hardware overheads for the broadcasters are much lower if the internet is used. No need to maintain aerial masts, transmitter rooms, microwave links, pay for servicing personnel, their transport, etc. Substitute all of that for a decent network feed, leased server space and bandwidth, and the costs are much lower.
If the Techmoan logo wasn't animated it might be a smidge less distracting but I love the deathstar itself. Good work tho, just a nitpick to push it into the background more.
I’m not sure why, Mat, but your outro song gives me this strange, nostalgic, warm feeling. If only I could experience again those feelings for real I once did years ago. Been a fan of yours for years.
Your portable TV now fits in your pocket and also is a camera a video recorder and navigation system. It also can send and receive calls, if you must. 📱📱📱
@@customerservice9602 The one I used before doesn't requires me to register online and search for either wifi signal or mobile data. Instead, it searches analog signals among LHF, VHF or UHF and it is free.
I think the whole motivation in switching to the digital broadcast is that it would be harder to receive the broadcast. Forcing people to pay for cable or a streaming service.
Hey Techmoan, your channel is really one of the best, I remember watching your reviews about those tiny hidden cameras. Thank you very much and success forever! From Brazil.
@@AureliusR Yes it is. They are basic ground plane antennas that would have worked much better if stuck on the car roof. Unless you would care to elaborate on your eloquent hypothesis.
I think it's hilarious, even though I have no idea what it means! In America, the only expression we have about sausage is a "sausage fest" which probably means "...something totally different!" to quote Monty Python.
When I was a kid having a portable TV was the most space age intense flex you could have, I remember being nostalgic to get that feeling back and looking into buying one of these recently, then I realised that I have a smartphone and I do it all the time anyway. How times have changed.
RIP analog TV in Malaysia Switching start from 31 October 2019 nationwide. The interesting fact is the name for the DVB in Malaysia is called freeview as well.
The REAL main reason that portable "freeview" TV isn't available anywhere anymore, (especially on cellphones), is that the companies can't make any profits off of charging a monthly subscription fee for the service!... Nowadays it's all about profits and greed, not about offering really cool tech to the general public for free, especially not for the long term!... It's the same kind of thing that has happened with stuff like computer printers, etc., where the device itself is a really cheap initial investment, seemingly a great deal, but it's the ridiculous cost of the extremely tiny capacity ink cartridges where the companies make the real money off of you! It's really rather disgusting!
Torbjorn - you cant watch LIVE HDTV on youtube unless someone streems it.......you can get a DTV mobile receiver or in America you will soon get Live HDTV broadcasts with your smartphone or mobile device.
I remember some of the very first ones that came out in the 1980s I think it was. They had a display tilted at an angle inside at the top for some reason. Radio Shack sold them. They would have been ok, but back then LCD panels were badly washed out and had a pretty bad rerfresh rate (the pixels were blurry when changing - same problem for handheld game systems too). I owned one of the first 1990s models when the price finally went down around $100. More than anything, I couldn't use the one I got because no signal much at all to pick up. Like many American towns there wasn't a good TV station anywhere close enough so there was a constant fight to try to get a decent signal. Same for FM radio where I lived - on a good day I could get a decent signal from Atlanta. A good idea in principle, but just not workable in reality.
@@triode1212 Hi there, yes the originals were CRTs, and some models still were at the time that I worked at a Radio Shack franchise (I connected a Super Nintendo to one of those to play games while working), but the one I had was LCD. They were also sold under other brands as well.
I erroneously said they were tilted: let me correct that, as the LCD models were "flat" and didn't have that. Not sure how I got it mixed up (must have remembered some old sales flyers and made that mistake, ha ha.)
Seems you completely forgot about Japan where we had digital TV on cellphones much before 10 years ago (I remember mine, very useful). Nowadays you still can find models having it. Also, most of the (stock or not) Car Entertainment Systems, today too, Japanese or even German, can receive digital TV on the dashboard screen. I see everyday people watching TV while driving (I don't say it's a good idea though). Otherwise very nice video. I remember having the model you showed back in the 80s.
zeddy1976 Oh yes the reason is Japan is just more advanced but Google came bring this technology across the ocean and evolve it with American software. Thus Android with created and had to evolve to the point where it was in the best interest for any civilized Nation to get on board with Google.
Those magnetic base antennas are meant to sit on a large, metal surface like the roof of your car. The metal surface acts as a ground plane. Without that ground plane your antenna isn't going to work to it's full potential. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_plane
Actually, most main stations in the UK radiate horizontally polarized signals. I noticed he was getting "Made in Liverpool" on LCN 7 so he is probably receiving horizontally polarized signals from Winter Hill. The little aerial would probably work better on its side.
I have an ATSC version very similar to this. On mine, the antenna was magnetic and worked substantially better when stuck to something. Unfortunately, after many years of extremely light usage the unit will no longer tune anything. When new, the battery lasted at least a couple hours.
I don't quite know why the random squeaks and sputtering has to be at twice the volume of the normal audio. You would think the error correction would figure out it's dodgy and just mute it!
Tim Clarke that's what CD players do, if a particular chunk of data can't be read it patches over it simply by either repeating the last valid one (hence the glitchy ticky noise) or just interpolated the samples between the last valid value and the next available (so acting like a momentary very low pass filter)... Too many of those in a row and it just goes silent. At least, that's how it's specified, it's not often implemented properly! You get more noise and jittery output than you should get, usually. But digital audio and video has FAR more error checking in it than audio CD does... It should be very obvious whether data is valid or not. I think it must just be that the functionality is expensive to implement somehow, so most decoder chips don't include it.
I remember people watching professional starcraft games on the subway in Seoul Korea on their phones using dmb. Today dmb is incredibly uncommon here because everyone has high speed unlimited internet. There is no point in paying for digital dmb tv when you can get anything available on the internet on the newest phones.
Japan still broadcasts its mobile TV signal right now, and devices supporting 1seg signal can be find easily even in today - GPS Navigator, Japan-based phone before 2021, or even handheld TV and radio. Some of these devices even supports Full seg (the one uses for home TV) reception, but might requires a separate antenna.
In Portugal we only get 7, one of them being the parliament channel that only broadcasts a placeholder image 90% of the time. No HD either. Back in analogue days there were only 4 channels, back in my childhood everyone had cable but me ;_;
In the Czech Republic, you used to be able to watch the Publicly funded ČT1, ČT2, ČT24 and ČTsport on DVB-H compatible devices. The service was shut down on 1. 1. 2020, just like DVB-T in favour of DVB-T2.
Thanks for your interesting and informative video. I purchased a DSE (Dick Smith Electronics) portable digital TV some years back. It does work, but not much inside moving vehicles. The only way to check reception when travelling is to stop at a place and then the digital TV can be received. We really need working hand held digital TVs especially here in Australia, where all portable digital TV' receivers have since completely disappeared off the market. For an antenna, I use a separate Tandy portable battery operated amplified antenna, which also is no longer available.
I bought a Philips portable dvd player/TV tuner for 75 bucks about 10 years ago. Now it is selling for 300 bucks on ebay. It still works and the TV tuner works surprisingly well. I used it for 2 months when I moved into my new place.
I was looking for a show called teknoman and found this channel by mistake but fell in love with this channel instantly. Hooray for poor comprehension!!!
You didn't quite answer the question. Here are the REAL questions... 1) What is it about the standard for digital video that makes it NOT work while moving? 2) If they can make a standard for digital video that DOES work while in motion, why not make that the ONLY standard. If it can work for a moving receiver, it will no doubt work for a stationary one too. Yeah, I know that the bandwidth is likely to be lower, but that seems like a fair trade for a robust signal.
1) Doppler shift, and then only if driving towards/away from the broadcast antenna at high speeds. 2) It would be at least HALF as efficient, negatively affecting everyone, all to support only a tiny group of people who care about mobile reception.
Doppler shift? Given the speed of the average car, that shift would be negligible. Plus, I would imagine that there is a PLL in the receiver that could compensate...
Kevin Harrelson - in the US we use 8vsb for digital television broadcast and it fails at even walking speeds and is useless compared to DVB-T when moving. The claim was that 8VSB worked better in fringe areas with fixed antennas than DVB-T, but I have never seen that tested. We had Mobile/Handheld for a while that rode on top of the 8VSB signal and was decodable while moving but the special receivers never took off so it was abandoned.
No, the doppler shift is NOT negligible at the very high signal-rates DTV uses, and it is not easy to compensate for. 8VSB isn't as bad as claimed, people have reported watching it from a moving car, but the trick is that you have to be driving perpendicular to the antenna, not directly towards/away from it, and not have a lot of multipath interference in the area.
I personally would like a portable TV. I don't want to waste data on a phone during travel; I just would like a portable TV that plays shows through an antenna.
Buy a Wifi powered DTV receiver (ATSC for USA/Suriname/South Korea/Canada/Mexico) for your smartphone or tablet (iOS or Android). You can watch digital ota TV broadcasts via wifi connected to DTV receiver on your tablet or smartphone. Here in the Philippines, we have an ISDB-T/1seg wifi DTV receiver for mobile devices (ios and android)
Are data caps still a necessity though? I heard some time before 2017 that the FCC wanted to ban them. I wonder what happened. Without data caps, we could have services like eMBMS which use LTE for TV broadcasts.
@Katzelle3: Don't count on that happening anytime soon. The FCC is under new leadership now, and they very much favor industry over consumers. Maybe in 2021 or so.
Falls between two stools! Love that, never heard it before. I wonder why small antennas are so awful for digital TV. I would expect them to be worse for sure, but they seem to be good for nothing.
I also have portable FM Transmitter (Both Hanrongda HRD-808/831) (60.0 MHz - 76.0 MHz - 87.0 MHz - 108.0 MHz). and an analog radio (Degen DE1128, Happy CS-106, Tecsun R-1012) with wide FM tuner (50/64 MHz - 108 MHz) AM: 522-1710 kHz and shortwave 2.3-23 MHz, World tuning IBOC HD Radio (Sparc SHD-TX2), DAB portable radios (Full Join PPM001), and NOAA Weatherband radio. Another Wifi TV tuners (ATSC/ISDB-T /DVB-T) like Siano Digital TV, and NSEDATO Wifi Digital TV for iPhone/iPad and Android phones and tablets.
Erik Bakker Yeah but if anything things should always be function over form. Being from the tropics in a country susceptible to being hit by rains and typhoons, when we used a digital box, we couldn't watch anything. We switched to analogue when it no longer cost around $113 to get cable in our home and we've never had that problem ever since. Sucks to see we'll be switching over a few years from now though.
Erik Bakker thing is, with analogue, you could get the worst signal ever and you could still watch. With digital, a poor signal gets you glitches then nothing.
My folks had an old CRT portable from the 1960s with about a 10" screen, it had a big battery cliped to the back, huge telescopic arial, and a radio dial on the bottom. Worked flawlessly all the way up until 2007.
Also true for those of us that were grown during that time. I started the 2000s with a clunky plastic phone that was too big to fit in my pocket and came with 30 minutes of call time a month and a VHS camcorder that looked like something from a TV studio. I ended the decade with a smartphone that could do so much more.
I was born around 1996 and grew up with the rapidly accelerating technology. When I was 7, video nows were all the rage, a few year later, iPods came out and changed it all. It was mind blowing seeing how fast us humans NEEDED data, that we changed our zeitgeist to suite us.
Great video and here is some additional information for you Techmoan. 1. Use MKVToolnix program to "split" large mkv files over 4Gb, that way you can store the stuff you have on your internal storage on whatever device you have. A way of getting around the FAT32 file size limitation. Program is free and easy to use. 2. DVB-H was a good technology but the main problem was coverage, there are to few masts and the signal is to weak. It would have required building more masts for better coverage, just like you have for the mobile phone networks. You had problems with reception and it only works in some places as you said. Nobody is going to walk around with a YAGI antenna in order to watch TV on a smart phone !!! But then again lots of smart phones do not even have FM-radio built in. If there is going to be anything of this EU will have to force manufacturers to include DVB+ chips into all smartphones, transition over to DVB+ radio and expand coverage so it works underground on the tube and else where. Also for FM reception in a smartphone you need a 3.5 jack (or 2.5 if they had used that) plus headphones as that is the antenna used for reception. But a lot of phones do not even have that any more. No wonder DVB-H died out, and no wonder radio is going the same way. Everyone is talking about streaming but for radio the old FM network is still the better technology even if it does go digital in the future. Always on, always there if you need to listen to it. Streaming only works if the mobile phone network and internet works, back in the day radio was the most important medium for information during war times etc. And it still is, streaming is better for some things but it will never defeat radio ! Great video as always, such great content on your channel :-)
Nice. Unfortunately it does not matter if you have a cheap or expensive phone. Some have FM-radio chip and others not. Why I do not know but it is probably not expensive to include it during construction of the phone. The other problem is that the 3.5 jack is going away or some phones do not have it, and then you do not have a antenna to get reception of FM. Where we will end up in the future I do not know.
Many chipsets like Snapdragon included the FM tuner capabilities, but many manufacturers would disable them. I don't know why, maybe they'd have to pay for extra testing or licensing or something. But people who installed custom firmware onto Android devices often found they got a free FM radio for their trouble!
The cellular companies wouldn't WANT "smart"phones to have DVB+ chips. That would mean you might be able to watch video without being REAMED on data charges.
Well, what were you doing putting soap on your handheld TV? Was it even waterproof? Trying to test it? I know my old phone broke because I strained the waterproofness of it, by trying to clean it with soap and water, so I understand your pain.
@@theblackwidower ...So, I understand you might trying to be funny, but _soap opera_ -type stuff had leave me too bitter to even contemplate the amusing side of these.
I have very faint memories of being a kid in the late 90s when I was very young, my parents would sell stuff in fleamarkets and we had one of those. I don't really even remember watching it, just it being there. I remember once we were around the car at one of these fleamarkets and I climbed into the drivers seat. Since the keyes wernt in when I turned the wheel and it locked. I started bawling thinking I just broke the car. Its still really weird how things like this make you remember non extraordinary stories you haven't thought about in years. It's even weirder how those memories make you feel. As always thanks Techmoan
have you tried to pick up old analog signal with an old tv? there are signals up there that you can pick up. i dont know how to do this if you try and your able to pick them up, let me know... the signal is bouncing the the clouds... gov said they were going to use the old analog air space for emergency communication? there using it but not for that, there are video images and audio, maybe you can figure it out.... let me know if you do figure this out.. I have more infor if you decide to try to find the video and audio up there....larry
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I had 2 black and white portable TV's when I was a kid. After school I would climb up to my treehouse and watch PBS kids. Of course I could go in to the house to watch it in color, but it was the novelty of watching TV inside my treehouse that kept me coming back.
I have a alba portable CRT TV in colour but the case is bright orange
Yeah I bought one as a teenager WELL after they were obsolete along with a car adapter and one of those Atari 15 in 1 games. Watched the hell out of some PBS (Public Broadcasting System - more or less the sad, withered US version of the BBC) and played that game until the cheap buttons broke.
I had a few of them as a kid that I got from boot sales in the uk (swap meets USA) they were cool but the novelty wore off quite quickly because I had a TV in my room anyways.
Most obsolete thing in that list is a tree house, do you know how psychotic people are about those now? There was a neighbor who kept reporting a family to every single agency he can think of because of a tree house. Its a shame, they love to Maskarade the country as a free country but a wooden box in a tree is outlawed for being, "Dangerous."
It was the sense of coziness and independence.
Correction:
At approximately 33 seconds into the video, please substitute the spoken word 'digital' with the intended word 'analog'
You should have commented this with UA-cam Pedant :D
István Nagy what?
Have to hate how poorly digital tv works.. or doesn't in what used to be the semi fringe and fringe areas. Blessing and curse, we not have cell phones and UA-cam, and Texhmoan
Also, at the second to last word in this comment, please substitute the typed word 'work' with the intended word 'word'
Look in the UA-cam editor for the Annotations function and type in a little "oops I meant to say ..." and have it pop up for a few seconds at that point.
I wanted a handheld tv as a kid so bad in the early 90’s. I thought they were the coolest thing ever.
In ‘98 or ‘99 I bought an RCA handheld with my Christmas money, it was honestly awesome camping and being able to watch TV, even if there was rarely anything entertaining on.
Edit: tried finding the model, turned out it was a Casio TV-880
I had one. The reception was crap. It was more frustrating than it was worth the batteries it cost to run it.
dan parish I had one from radio shack ! It sucked!
They were getting rid of an old model to make room for the newer version and with my discount I got it (originally like $150 USD) for $35, told them I'd take it not to sale it to anyone, I used that for years and thought I was something lol.
Same
"Awww I wish I had a handheld digital tv" he said, watching this video on basically a handheld digital tv.
However, a handheld digital tv has the massive advantage that you don't need to pay your mobile provider to receive program (and get throttled for the rest of the month after an hour or two of watching).
@@rolfs2165 most phones are able to receive radio on them so if your country has mobile tv stations then you can root your phone and get some apps to let you use them. Though they don't really work great.
Hit the little square in the corner for full screen!
@@rolfs2165 Not sure where you are but I'm in the US on T-Mobile and they're pretty generous with their unlimited Internet. I'll stream UA-cam/Netflix/Hulu/Prime at work all day every day and while the contract does say they will throttle the highest users I've never hit that cap. I know a guy who doesn't even have Internet at home, just uses his phone and he's an IT professional so hardly a light user; he's never hit the cap either. YMMV of course but maybe it's time for a new cell provider?
@@thrdeye7304 T-Mobile Germany, and lolnope. They throttle down to dial-up speed the second you hit the cap. Unfortunately, the other mobile providers here do the same, so switching won't make a difference.
In 1983 I had a Boombox with a 5" black & white TV screen. I was in the Royal Navy so having our own TV was not really allowed but Boomboxes were.
Any port in a storm sailor
I have one in my garage my grandpa gave me as a kid. Used to load 10 (yes 10) D cell batteries in it and carry it around in my backpack when i biked around.
Weren't you cool
We call them Ghetto Blasters in the USA
Because they might find out the truth and not propaganda
Dear Techmoan,I live in South Korea, and the Galaxy S8 sold locally still supports DMB.
The headphone cable serves as the antenna, so it has to be plugged in in order to use DMB - there has not been any aerial built into smartphones for years now. My Korean-spec Galaxy S5 was working in the same way. I occasionally still see people watching DMB in public, although streaming services are taking over. With the fastest mobile network in the world, the image quality of streaming surpasses that of DMB a great deal. Oh, and they both work in the subway, too!
M. Jinz My phone is from Korea and it has an aerial however in the US I won't get signal .
I'm a bit disappointed. Using the headphones as an antenna is smart, but seeing all these smartphones with antennas in the Korean subway 3-4 years ago looked pretty cool!
A Google User Yea I like the aerial it looked cool.
Very true, blast from the past. Stuff turns into history so quickly. Those antennas are now harder to spot than the occasional appearance of a badass flip-phone.
M. Jinz Agreed I would love to try my phone in korea I never used the aerial here in the US
In addition to South Korea, mobile television is still supported well in Japan. The Japanese standard (ISDB-T "1seg") piggybacks the mobile signal on the regular TV broadcasts so it doesn't require any separate infrastructure, and all the regular broadcast channels are available. Also the Japanese model of the Samsung Galaxy S8+ does support 1seg, although you have to plug in an external antenna wire (kinda like how portable FM radios use the headphone lead as an antenna)
Karl Baron Just to add to your information:
Some asisn markets sell local branded phones with built in TV functionality.
For instance, the Philippines has the "my|phone" branded television phones that use the same system as South Korea, though the phones are the old keypad type.
Same thing in Brazil, since we use ISDB-Tb (a brazilian variation of japanese system).
John / DDFusion Philippines and other places have 1seg too. it's part of the TV standard (1seg refering to it being a single segment in the channel for that boardcast) and not really a Japan thing. Either way I think it's on it's way out now that almost everyone has a phone with UA-cam.
The problem here in the Philippines, the internet is slow AF, so you can't stream a video properly (unless you're lucky enough to afford an expensive plan). Good thing the local-branded smartphones in the said country (like Starmobile, Cherry Mobile and MyPhone) have an ISDB-T tuner too, not just 1-seg, they're also capable of receiving a full-pledged ISDB-T system (some people call it "Full Seg") just like on the ISDB-T capable TV or set-top-box.
1seg is popular in Brazil (not too much though), and some cell phones support it.
This still sounds like such a good idea. Imagine being able to watch local channels w/o using data
Garrett I have a device that plugs into my cellphone or tablet and I watch local Digital TV with it. USB HD TV/FM Tuner cards for desktop computers are cool too.
Jason Klinefelter what’s it called/where did you get it. Kinda sound good for a roadtrio
Jason Klinefelter Roadtrip*
MyGica is the company that makes the “pad tv tuner” which I use on my old Samsung tablet, and should work with an android device without issues.
Jason Klinefelter thank you man!
My wife gave me a Casio/Radio Shack mini color TV for Christmas of 1990. She thought enough of me (understating it actually) to buy the three year extended warranty. I have this TV still and the fading receipt to this day. Some small dust particles infiltrated the inside of the screen over the decades but as my wife passed away in June of '02 I have preserved it as an artifact. I used the little TV many times at work on the overnight shift but it really proved its value when my coworkers and I were huddled around it to watch Operation Desert Shield become Operation Desert Storm throughout early 1991.
A poignant reminder that every gift can be precious. So sorry you lost your wife
I know it's been five years since you made this comment. But I hope coping well.
I remember back in 2004 when we had to go on a school trip when I was in high school and my buddy brought a portable hand held TV so we could watch a specific anime during the time it aired since we knew we would be in the bus. People called us losers for bringing a tv but once we started watching, those same people that called us losers were pretty much watching the show with us. It was a simpler time, no UA-cam and no smart phones or any streaming service at that. Now watching stuff on your phone or tablet is so common and if I told my 15 year old self about our technology now, his head might explode.
I remember back in my high-school days bringing my portable colored TV and all my friends gathering around at lunch watching whatever we could at the time. Simpler times... How I miss thee.
In 2004 UA-cam was only a year away. Streaming and mobile technology has developed a lot since though and no one could have imagined the world we have now, it’s amazing.
@Domen Gregorčič i am 16 and i would love it if analog tv was still around. at least the antenna TV. Since the switchover to digital it is almost impossible to watch TV where i live. i still dont get why the good stuff is turned off and is replaced with something that doesnt work at all. they could have just left it like it was.....
2004 wasn't exactly 1972 you complete idiot. "It was a simpler time, no UA-cam and no smart phones or any streaming service at that." UA-cam was founded in 2005 and Facebook in 2004. I think you will find streaming has been available since the 1990s and Smartphones have been around since 2002. I bought my Sony LCD TV in 2006 and Blu-rays came out in 2006. Clearly you were too young in 2004 to remember things properly, yes we also had digital cameras. As I said you sound like you're talking about the 1960's or 70's. KNOB.
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Yep I was upset when the US cutoff the analog signals rendering my sony watchman handheld tv useless. I feel like someone owes me.
Try moving where there is no OTA TV available. The gov't should mandate free live streaming of programming from the nearest big city, even with commercials. Anything that Grannie can see on her digital TV in the city, should be live streamed statewide.
IF your Sony Watchman had a A/V in Get a A/V to 3.5 mm jack and a Converter Box.
That last line SCREAMS entitlement
@mlaygo go cry somewhere else pls
@@mlaygo Have you seen his avatar? Of course he is entitled.
When I scan, I scan analogue and digital still. It's like reaching out to a distant star with hope.
What if alien species were trying to reach us with analog signals and we could no longer hear them because we all converted to digital?
Lol :D
Around here they kept transmitting a "Analog signals have stopped broadcasting since (date when they stopped). To continue using your TV, please install a digital receiver box" or such. Dunno if they still do it tho, I think they might have stopped that already.
When I scan, I clocked all the fit birds any blue lights.
And while scanning analogue, the snow and static sound change slightly every so often and your heart skips a beat. Could it be... no :(
In the Philippines, TV phones are still being used and made. Local brand phones are the ones making them and it appeals to a lot of people who can't afford a decent smart phone.
bentep0511 Some of them are analog TV with Worldwide TV tuners (NTSC USA/Japan, PAL-D/K China, PAL-I Hong Kong, PAL-M Brazil, PAL-N Argentina, PAL-B/G Indonesia, etc...
Not to mention data connections aren’t very reliable so TV tuners in a phone are almost a necessity in the Phils.
Reception is absolutely shit and unreliable though, at least in the countryside.
Kevin Denmark Also 1seg TV tuners from Japan worked in the Philippines.
But the nation's entire internet sucks shit, its slower than Eritrea and Turkmenistan combined
This is the problem with digital. If you don't have good reception, you can kiss goodbye to watching TV overall. With analog, you can at least see through the layer of static or something...
That's what I thought the whole time. It's also the same with audio: just a little noise in the background with a analog signal, but a complete mess with a digital signal
Really, I don't know why people didn't let TVs support both types of signals side-by-side, as digital TV has better picture quality but has more severe picture breakup than analog when the signal's shit. I guess it was just too expensive to hold onto analog after more than half a century.
Because there is only so much spectrum that exists in the air to accomodate things like TVs, radios, Wifi, mobile phones, and governments have to make decisions about which device gets what or nothing would work as it would all conflict (similar to how people used to have those car FM radio broadcasters which would broadcast and interrupt an FM frequency with its own input). Analogue TV in similar resolution uses more bandwidth than Digital TV, it's why Digital is so much flakier. More channels though provide broadcasters with more options for consumers. That is unless you have less, high-bandwidth channels.
Not all media owners wanted multi-channel, in Australia Kerry Packer who owned the biggest network was very against multi-channel and fought against the other network, who saw it as four ways of taking viewers from Kerry rather than just having one way. He insisted on running one full HD channel in MPEG2, using his spectrum that way. (Pretty sure that's what happened, happy to be wrong though) Now, however, HD channels tend to be run using MPEG4 which is more efficient.
+kbbbb7 A minor point but in most places it's not the government who made those decisions. It was in countries like North Korea, but not in Europe and America.
TVs did support both types of signal side by side, for years. They didn't remove analog from the tuners until designs started after there weren't any signals left to receive.
Your reviews are some of the most interesting and most honest feeling on the internet. You don't review uninteresting fads (at least not modern ones, hahh) just things you find interesting and think we will too. I think I speak for all of your fans when I say that we are very grateful for that.
Yeah, you won't see any Techmoan fidget spinner reviews here thankfully!
Maybe the techmoan of the next generation will review fidget spinners
I second this. Love your content!
At 0:33 he said "... they turned off the digital signal..." but I think he meant ".. they turned off the analog signal..." Anyone else notice this?
Little piece of advice from somebody that got stuck with one of those things for a few months.
The antennas are supposed to be attached to something made of metal (their base is magnetic) in order to boost their signal.
I had a metal bed frame, so I tried using it and the signal was strong enough to pick some channels, and they would, sometimes, look good.
But since, as life goes, you could watch that thing for hours whitout problems, but when your favourite show is coming up the signal will go away, one night I got really pissed off and started making some experiments.
I was very happy to find that you can make one of these antennas work VERY reliably by putting it inside a pot, and then pointing the pot to the bradcasting station, pretty much like roof antennas are.
Eventually I found out that a simple bottle cut as to form a "mirror" covered with aluminum foil would make a very effective replacement for my precious pot.
Congrats on re-inventing a parabolic antenna, sounds like you had lots of fun getting there. (This isn’t me being sarcastic, that genuinely sounds like fun and possibly something I’d have gotten up to given time and a similar problem. Am I a nerd? Never mind, don’t answer that.)
The live picture of the Death Star made me think: "That's no moan!"
It took me a while to get this....
But I got there in the end. 👍
it looks brilliant. worth buying the tv just for that..
When I first saw it, I thought you had changed the logo to say "Techmoon" and chuckled.
It's as if a million voices moaned... and were suddenly silenced...
Jac Goudsmit (groans)
"Not a sausage. Completely sausageless."
In England it's a cute saying, in Wisconsin it's a horrifying revelation.
"Not a sausage?!? Completely sausageless!?! Nooo!"
:( No sausage
Silly sausage
Damnit, now I'm hungry.
Me looking for porn
Those little aerials you're having trouble with are magnetically mounted. You have to actually place them on a large metal surface for optimum performance.
I was hoping someone would have pointed this out. They need a ground plane to work.
That being said, those little antennas suck. I've taken a few apart and they are really poorly made for the most part.
To explain, those antennas are designed to have a metal ground plane. If you put them on a big flat metal surface (traditionally the top of your car) then you will get much better results. Probably not great, but better.
Just to simplify this explanation, those are car antennas. The car functions as one half of the antenna. The magnetic base is not for convenience, it is the middle part of the antenna.
Once either antenna is placed in the center of the roof of a car, it will work decently.
There is a more technical explanation, but it's not really necessary.
Yeah I've used the mini-whip on a coffee can and it helps, but I used it mainly for SDR Radio with a £7 'R820 T2' USB TV dongle. FM scanner, Airband, AM, DAB, CB, ADSB plane tracking, pager decoding & SW, HF HAM SSB, with a long wire. It also works as a TV on an Android tablet/phone.
yeah, they look like monopoles, which are best used with a ground plate (to make them equivalent to a dipole twice the length
“The stickers look like they were thrown at it from a distance.”
I’m losing it.
This is one of the advantages Analog TV had: the range from the transmitter/repeater was many times better than even the longest-reaching digital signals
UPDATE: ATSC 3.0 is rolling out and promises some massive range improvements over ATSC 1.0
Another huge advantage of analogue TVs was the excellent Nicam Stereo sound, far better than highly compressed AAC/mp4 we have to suffer today, and also, the colour gamut was better, flowers didn't have their colours clipped on Gardeners world .👍👍
ATSC is for the americas. I Live in japan...
I remember those phones with a mobile TV when I lived in South Korea, but the only people I ever seen using it were middle-aged taxi drivers who would watch TV when on the job 😂
Don't watch TV and drive
@@rebert_reid He probably means while they were waiting to receive a call
@@kekkiko6647 oh
I miss anolog TV. It was more reliable than digital. Sometimes I could pick up stations a hundred miles away, with Digital, there's one I can't pick up 30 miles from here. I know I know, I can watch stations through my DirecTV, streams, etc but it was a fun hobbby for me, picking up distant stations (DXing). I' kept an antenna (Ariel) conneted to my TV to do just that.
A battery operated handheld seemed perfect if there's an emergency and your power is out , but now your choices are a digital signal that barely works (if at all), or using data ($$$$) to watch on your phone. TV stations should have at least temporary anolog signals for said emergencies.
+blackandblue10 I remember one time while living in Ohio, I somehow got the signal from a tv station in Louisiana. It was very snowy, but it was definitely from Louisiana as it showed local advertisements.
Analogue was too easy, that's why they went to digitial, so you can't know what is going on elsewhere unless they tell you.
Blondie SL Try NSEDATO Wifi Digital TV tuner from Aliexpress and also ATSC android TV tuner dongle
I have exceeded 1000 miles on more than one occasion while living near Fresno, California picking up a signal from Wichita Falls Texas. The following day while seeing if I could get the Ft Worth signal back, the reflection shifted north to the Dakotas where I picked up a PBS affiliate. Of course the signals weren't solid and coming in and out from totally clear to fuzzy in regular waves lasting only minutes and just long enough to get the station ID. Needless to say I was stoked when I found out where it was coming from. I heard east coast Floridians could sometimes receive New York TV when the conditions are right. Typically I could reliably DX as far as about 200 miles with a good outside antenna and on one occasion the atmospheric reflection was strong enough to receive every Sacramento station at the same 200 mile distance as clearly as local TV with just rabbit ears. This usually required very strong high pressure or high humidity/fog.
I beg to differ, at least in my area..you always knew you would get at least 3 channels on Analog Antenna no matter what. Nowadays, everything is so data dependent from the internet, streaming, cloud storage, etc. Which has went down on me more times in one year than my old Antenna TV signal ever did in my lifetime.
Picture quality has many aspects. In a few aspects analog cinema had a better picture quality than the tubes provided. But in many aspects, analog TV had a better picture (and sound) quality than (analog) cinema. The cinema lobby couldn't stand it. There was a hostile takeover of TV by that lobby. The lobby degraded TV through the process of switchover to digital. Digital TV is worse than analog TV in all aspects where analog TV had been better than film.
I remember my Sega GameGear came with a TV tuner that turned it into a handheld TV. It never worked, although back in the day I’m sure it functioned fine. I got the whole console with all the accessories around 2008 or 2009 at a garage sale for $5, and the kit had seen some serious use by then. The thought of having a handheld TV fascinated me though.
Is the UK standard as bad as the US? Image wise, its good... but being a digital signal its extremely vulnerable to interference. Basically if you grew up in an area with a so-so tv analogue signal that was watchable you got shafted when everything went digital.
Yes, the so-so analog signal was viewable, but the digital signal needed a powered antenna to get it at all.
Jack Frost I've put a signal amplifier.
Yes i got one too, a powered antenna, but I live so far out when it rains the signal goes away, and if even foggy it goes out too.
It's a bit more dependent on having a good aerial installation (you're less likely to get away with a set top aerial) but works pretty well on the whole. With a decent rooftop or loft aerial and good quality cabling It works fine in everywhere I've lived.
It's rubbish. We've spent a fortune trying to get a consistent picture: new aerials, signal amplifiers, had the cabling checked and re-checked etc. The problem is that we get a decent picture in HD or SD for a while and then it just drops out altogether or badly pixelates.
I’m 15 now, but when I was 8, I remembered my grandparents had one laying around in the closet and I remembered the only channel they had were the Spanish channels. Over time the channels were going away until I couldn’t find anymore
The stickers look like they've been thrown on from a distance 😂 I love how calm you roast the shit out if this 🤣
In korea a lot of cars have TVs in them! It's really cool! You can watch news while your parked or at a light!
9:09: I love that the remote control is so cheap that the buttons are labelled Red Green Yellow Blue instead of them actually being those colours. :D
And also the placement of the number keys is perfect.
1234
5678
90
Here in Portugal, all our ISPs have Android and iOS apps that let you watch close to 200 channels, and usually it doesn't consume mobile data.
So I guess that, in a way, that's a natural successor of the handheld TV.
Net neutrality btfo in Portugal then.
+Luis Teixeira:
What does your ISP have to do with portable devices?
ISP stands for Internet Service Provider. That's internet for your home.
Vrej Egon Spengler Here, all ISPs have mobile plans, so most people use the same company for both.
So if you do use the same for both services, you can watch any channel using mobile data without limits.
You're lucky. Here in the US while there are a lot of apps, they ALL require you to sign in with a cable provider, even if it's a free broadcast channel. It's so shitty how data carriers (cable, ISP, and phone) screw over their customers here with geographic monopolies.
SIANO DVB-T/ISDB-T/Tb Wifi Digital TV receiver. Downloadable app from iOS and Android. No internet required
When I was a child, I always wanted a portable TV. Now I have one!... in the form of a smartphone. And I just watched this video on it, in a car park.
With UA-cam over 4G and several gigabytes to play with, I don't see myself ever using the portable TV I dreamed about in my youth. Phones are so much nicer. Though for what it's worth, I chose this phone for its TV-like screen. My inner child is happy. XD
Victoria Hammond Same.
Although my grandfather died recently and I got his small portable b/w tv. I thought it was the single coolest thing when I was wee, I was never allowed to touch it.Now I own it and it picks up nothing :(
I still thibk it is cool although it is only cathode ray b/w static.
Victoria Hammond not everyone can have all those gigabytes of data, I have 1.2,its not bad for £7.50 tho
wow how the word phone has gotten a whole new meaning as well! I gues back in the 80 having a phone would sound inferior to having a TV? but now look what all the telephone does!amazing
NowForTheTruth I was thinking of somehow using it to show pip boy on fallout if there was a mod for that to be shown on a separate screen. Or maybe in artworks.Either way I am gonna figure out a way of converting hdmi to rf so I can watch dvds on it or something just for fun.
Victoria Hammond Beat me to it.
I remember when I was young and had my first game console, the Sega game gear. There was a tv tuner extension for it that I was never able to get my hands on. It was way to expensive new and I only ever found 1 second hand and the seller stopped responding to me after agreeing on price. :'(
Damn. I had a friend who had one. It was cool.
I had one of those as a teenager, got it from the classifieds. The tip of the tuner's antenna was broken off when I got it but you could just plug a TV cable right into the antenna tube. Good times.
I probably still have it in my parents's place.
There's one in a second hand video game shop in my hometown, still in the original box. The GameGear was amazing, the back-lit colour screen was about a decade ahead of Nintendo.
I had 1 of them as kid my mom bought it for a Christmas gift it was neat to have got all the local channels on it we're better than the TV
with rabbit ears
Japanese got Oneseg TV Tuner for Sony PSP and Nintendo DS.
I think the biggest problem was the fact that a separate network had to be built for hand-helds. The old analog receivers could tune into the normal tv signal your big tv would use. That is why the old handhelds were great. With digital, you can build a tuners small enough for a hand held but the radio transmission standard was not great for units with small antennas or where the unit was roaming like a person watching tv in a car. Both the us and European dtv systems suffered this problem.
Japan’s dtv standard on the other hand is different. They used the lessons learned from the us and European and rolled out a 3rd gen system called 7-seg. (Europe glad 1st gen and Us 2nd gen.) the standard allowed for tv signals to be received by mobile devices like the South Korean phones. When I was in japan in 2008 I was able to play with such a unit at a store and it worked well inside a building. I personally saw people watching tv on the phones on a bus. The 7-seg standard was designed so the radio signal would be received via a smaller antenna (I think) and would work when user was moving.
To summarize 7-seg did not suffer from many on signal drop issues with digital tv signals as the us and European standards. Analog tv signals had more tolerance to signal drop, etc and were thus seems “ usable”. Such portable dtv units are still sold here in the us. Heck, I have one. But I think 4g pretty such wiped out any interest here in the us.
I have a "HDTV" handheld TV and the reception is crummy unless the signal is very strong or use large TV antenna. It can still possibly be useful but not for watching while walking/portable use
Weirdly I keep having dreams where there are old B&W portable TVs that still work, because for some reason they kept broadcasting 1 or 2 channels still on analogue.
Yes, most of my dreams ARE this fascinating, thank you for asking.
@Shufei
In the Germany-Netherlands-Belgium border region, my TV just last year still managed to pick up 32 analog channels, compared to 150 digital ones.
@@mikeblatzheim2797 No way! I live in Belgium, please tell me if you can recieve at least one station!
I dream with CRTs sometimes too xD
I had the same dream only instead of a TV it was my Mom. And Instead of watching Hee Haw reruns she blowing a donkey.
@@gcf7175 donkey literally or as a metaphor for an asshole?
Here in Brazil, mobile TV is very common, most of the low-end and middle-end phones come with the TV tuner, but not the high-end phones, and it's very popular, many people really use it, as here we have the japanese digital TV standard (ISDB-T), which have the mobile TV standard (1seg) already in the standard, and all of the channels work with both the HD and mobile signal.
I had two phones with digital TV tuner (had a low-end feature phone back in 2009, and a Xperia Z1), and worked great almost everywhere.
Now i have a mobile TV tuner from Tivizen, which works even better than the built in tuner in the phones, as it's wireless, and you can put it in the place which have the better reception, and the app is avaliable for Android and iOS.
@RonyKet You're from Brazil ,but you look Asian. Must be a high Asia population in Brazil and they brought their technology influence with them.
I'm from Brazil too and I can also vouch for that, but I also used to see some people watching TV on analog devices, up until recently when they turned that off here too. Still, I think it's slowly getting less popular with time. In the beginning, smart phones were struggling with carrying EITHER 3G functionality or TV tuning capabilities. We can now see who really "won" that battle.
CGITV NTSC Countries like Taiwan, Colombia, Panama, Curacao and Trinidad uses DVB-T/T2.
Also DVB-T in both Taiwan and Colombia uses US frequency UHF CH 14 - 69. Same frequency used in Brazil/Philippines ISDB-T and Suriname/USA/South Korean ATSC.
Taiwan’s NTSC TV shutdown in 2010 to replace DVB-T broadcasts in 60 Hz. UHF TV 14-69 unlike PAL frequencies 21-69.
CGITV Suriname used DVB-T for test broadcasts and later they changed to ATSC.
When “lcd picture frames” were a thing (about 10+ years ago) I bought my mother-in-law one as a present and that had a DVB-t tuner in it, in fact it looked almost identical to the one in this video but didn’t have built in battery and the menu was a lot more basic. I think it was around £15-20.
Leadstar hires only the best people to apply stickers to their products.
they have stickers, they have the best stickers
It's the people who make sure the products are properly aligned on the table before the stickers are applied that they skimp on.
"The stickers are straight. It's the device that isn't."
As a Cambodian sticker-applier by trade, we put a lot of pride in our work.
But, you have to admit, the factory workers have good work ethics, for 7-year-olds.
Great video but with one big gap. Here in Japan we've been using OneSeg digital TV for about 10 years. The first system was low quality at about 15fps. Around 5 years ago a new updated system came out with full HD image at 30fps and digital menus, subtitles, recording and the rest of it such as interactive options.
The phone I'm typing this on also have the HD OneSeg system. It's a Xperia ZL2.
Retro Core Japan always gets the coolest stuff! But, seriously, you know how to solve problems. Reliable electronics, durable cars, trains that are always on time, and lots more. I would like to think that I would fit in there. Things are much different in the United States.
Grass is always greener on the other side
weeb
I have an imported Japanese cellphone with dtv and a little telescopic aerial built in. It can also receive ota emergency broadcasts like tsunami warnings via the tuner. Of coarse it doesn't work outside japan although im willing to bet there's a way to flash it to receive other standards as all it is is a software defined radio.
In Brazil we have the 1seg standard too. Newer phones now came with full ISDB support so we can watch full hd channels, my Moto G5 Plus have full hd digital tv tunner
Forget the TV, where can I get one of those Death Star balls?
Gakken Worldeye, our man did a review of it a while ago. Running a custom-made video by one of the subscribers here, which he made available to download. I don't know the URL, do some work yourself!
Obviously, when it works well, it's great, but I really kind of miss the analogue TV signals.
I used to have a scanner as a kid, and it thrilled me when I realized I could listen to television on the scanner.
Also, you had to deal with snowy audio and picture, but analogue tv was at least watchable with spotty signal. Digital is much less so.
I suppose it's like most of the digital modes of radio technology: it allows greater information at lesser bandwidth or lower power, but the tradeoff is packet loss rendering received information useless in digital modes relative to rendering it extremely noisy in analogue ones.
in some countries like mine, analogue signal is still working, for some reason I managed to syntonize the video game signal from a neighboar I guess, kind of weird, I was just messing around with the antenna and suddenly I managed to get some space shooter gameplay.
My experience with over-the-air digital in the USA was that the signal was very finicky. I tried several small antennas in a basement for the mother-in-law and got broken-up gibberish. Went bigtime, installed a fullblown aerial in my attic [I ain't going on the roof y'all] and get like 100 channels perfectly. Digital is digital - when it works it's perfect. When you're one bit off you know it error-correctly parity algos. and all.
William W Powell that's so nice that you get like 100 channels without paying anything to a TV provider, here in Mexico we have like 10 free digital channels, everything else is locked through a TV provider (direct TV, sky, etc)
Since when do 100 public TV channels even broadcast in one location in the US that isn't New York or something? I can get maybe 20 max.
Guru Laghima Maybe he does live in NYC or LA or along the Mexican or Canadian border, or he is using a little hyperbole. In my metro area of about 100k, we have between 10 and 20 channels, only several aren't real channels, like weather tower cameras, and live radar feeds. I use cable, but it looks like a viable alternative for broadcast TV.
Buddy Clem many of the channels are just duplicates. Like you might get a local NBC from one city and another from another city. Most of the programming is still the same with exception to the local news/weather.
Buddy Clem in my rural Midwestern american area area, you can pickup 30-40 channels assuming you have a decent antenna instslled with plenty of height.
Will you make "Whatever happened to TVs"? I remember it being quite a big thing in the past.
I have a TV but I have free cable in my apartment but I mostly use it for movies with Kodi so I can watch the newest pirated movies released and of course stuff for my kids
I own a television, but it's really just a monitor for my DVD player. I almost never watch broadcast television anymore, and only watch cable television when I'm over at my parents' house doing laundry.
You're smoking crack if you think broadcast television ISN'T dying...
martialimitator Broadcasts will continue, but U.K. broadcasters are gradually transferring to online transmissions. It's reasonable to assume that OTA broadcasts will be phased out completely one day, since the hardware overheads for the broadcasters are much lower if the internet is used. No need to maintain aerial masts, transmitter rooms, microwave links, pay for servicing personnel, their transport, etc. Substitute all of that for a decent network feed, leased server space and bandwidth, and the costs are much lower.
Hehe, I see you found a use for the Death Star clip I made for you. It turned out pretty good, didn't it? :D
Yes it's great, thanks for putting this together.
That was very distracting, but in a great way. Great work!
This looks so amazing!
If the Techmoan logo wasn't animated it might be a smidge less distracting but I love the deathstar itself. Good work tho, just a nitpick to push it into the background more.
At first I thought it was Targeting Vectors from the X-Wings Head Up Display... [;)]
I’m not sure why, Mat, but your outro song gives me this strange, nostalgic, warm feeling. If only I could experience again those feelings for real I once did years ago. Been a fan of yours for years.
I miss those days when we used portable TVs to watch our fave programs while away from our residence
Your portable TV now fits in your pocket and also is a camera a video recorder and navigation system. It also can send and receive calls, if you must. 📱📱📱
@@customerservice9602 The one I used before doesn't requires me to register online and search for either wifi signal or mobile data. Instead, it searches analog signals among LHF, VHF or UHF and it is free.
watching the world snooker final outdoors on my pocket tv! good times
^^^ Just LOL @ watching snooker... 🤦🏻♂️😂
Who says "residence"?
15:47 "HUNG PARLIAMENT"!?! WOW, their wives must really be singing their husband's praises!
I think the whole motivation in switching to the digital broadcast is that it would be harder to receive the broadcast. Forcing people to pay for cable or a streaming service.
Hey Techmoan, your channel is really one of the best, I remember watching your reviews about those tiny hidden cameras. Thank you very much and success forever! From Brazil.
Both antennas have magnetic bases therefore need to be attatched to metal for a decent earth just like cb radio antennas.
not really true.
@Michael Persico ...this is terrestrial over the air broadcasts, not satellite.
@@jdatlas4668 And your point is?
@@AureliusR Yes it is. They are basic ground plane antennas that would have worked much better if stuck on the car roof.
Unless you would care to elaborate on your eloquent hypothesis.
@@A-ELL I’d tell you except I’ve no clue what the deleted comment I replied to was saying. So honestly, no idea.
Completely sausageless is a great expression.
Not a sausage! I like British sayings.
I think it's hilarious, even though I have no idea what it means! In America, the only expression we have about sausage is a "sausage fest" which probably means "...something totally different!" to quote Monty Python.
When I was a kid having a portable TV was the most space age intense flex you could have, I remember being nostalgic to get that feeling back and looking into buying one of these recently, then I realised that I have a smartphone and I do it all the time anyway. How times have changed.
Some dude on hoarders was using a handheld television
RIP analog TV in Malaysia
Switching start from 31 October 2019 nationwide. The interesting fact is the name for the DVB in Malaysia is called freeview as well.
The REAL main reason that portable "freeview" TV isn't available anywhere anymore, (especially on cellphones), is that the companies can't make any profits off of charging a monthly subscription fee for the service!...
Nowadays it's all about profits and greed, not about offering really cool tech to the general public for free, especially not for the long term!...
It's the same kind of thing that has happened with stuff like computer printers, etc., where the device itself is a really cheap initial investment, seemingly a great deal, but it's the ridiculous cost of the extremely tiny capacity ink cartridges where the companies make the real money off of you! It's really rather disgusting!
0:33 they turned off the digital signal in the UK!??? Where am I receiving mine from then exactly 😮
What happened to handheld TV's?
Answer: We got youtube on smartphone and haven't looked back.
tfw you replace the old gods with new gods and nobody bats an eye
taledarkside you can use iplayer and other programs on your phone in the uk to watch live local channels
taledarkside
Do people still watch local TV?
Why?
Pretty much what I was gonna say. Also tablets.
Torbjorn - you cant watch LIVE HDTV on youtube unless someone streems it.......you can get a DTV mobile receiver or in America you will soon get Live HDTV broadcasts with your smartphone or mobile device.
I remember some of the very first ones that came out in the 1980s I think it was. They had a display tilted at an angle inside at the top for some reason. Radio Shack sold them. They would have been ok, but back then LCD panels were badly washed out and had a pretty bad rerfresh rate (the pixels were blurry when changing - same problem for handheld game systems too). I owned one of the first 1990s models when the price finally went down around $100.
More than anything, I couldn't use the one I got because no signal much at all to pick up. Like many American towns there wasn't a good TV station anywhere close enough so there was a constant fight to try to get a decent signal. Same for FM radio where I lived - on a good day I could get a decent signal from Atlanta. A good idea in principle, but just not workable in reality.
They were not LCD screens but small CRTs. The tilt at the top is the indication as to why it was a CRT.
@@triode1212 Hi there, yes the originals were CRTs, and some models still were at the time that I worked at a Radio Shack franchise (I connected a Super Nintendo to one of those to play games while working), but the one I had was LCD. They were also sold under other brands as well.
I erroneously said they were tilted: let me correct that, as the LCD models were "flat" and didn't have that. Not sure how I got it mixed up (must have remembered some old sales flyers and made that mistake, ha ha.)
Seems you completely forgot about Japan where we had digital TV on cellphones much before 10 years ago (I remember mine, very useful). Nowadays you still can find models having it.
Also, most of the (stock or not) Car Entertainment Systems, today too, Japanese or even German, can receive digital TV on the dashboard screen. I see everyday people watching TV while driving (I don't say it's a good idea though).
Otherwise very nice video. I remember having the model you showed back in the 80s.
zeddy1976 Oh yes the reason is Japan is just more advanced but Google came bring this technology across the ocean and evolve it with American software. Thus Android with created and had to evolve to the point where it was in the best interest for any civilized Nation to get on board with Google.
Had one in 1999 -2000 was so useful when I was in homeless place. It gave me peace of mind.
Those magnetic base antennas are meant to sit on a large, metal surface like the roof of your car. The metal surface acts as a ground plane. Without that ground plane your antenna isn't going to work to it's full potential. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_plane
Actually, most main stations in the UK radiate horizontally polarized signals. I noticed he was getting "Made in Liverpool" on LCN 7 so he is probably receiving horizontally polarized signals from Winter Hill.
The little aerial would probably work better on its side.
You have one of the greatest channels in this format! Thanks sir! 🤘
I have an ATSC version very similar to this. On mine, the antenna was magnetic and worked substantially better when stuck to something. Unfortunately, after many years of extremely light usage the unit will no longer tune anything. When new, the battery lasted at least a couple hours.
As always one of the best channels for me on UA-cam which delivers good content from someone knowledgeable. Should be more of it.
the sound of digital TV breaking up is one of the most annoying sounds I've ever heard.
tellingall howitis - there's only one thing worse... DAB breaking up.
I don't quite know why the random squeaks and sputtering has to be at twice the volume of the normal audio. You would think the error correction would figure out it's dodgy and just mute it!
Tim Clarke that's what CD players do, if a particular chunk of data can't be read it patches over it simply by either repeating the last valid one (hence the glitchy ticky noise) or just interpolated the samples between the last valid value and the next available (so acting like a momentary very low pass filter)... Too many of those in a row and it just goes silent.
At least, that's how it's specified, it's not often implemented properly! You get more noise and jittery output than you should get, usually.
But digital audio and video has FAR more error checking in it than audio CD does... It should be very obvious whether data is valid or not. I think it must just be that the functionality is expensive to implement somehow, so most decoder chips don't include it.
mspenrice my Roberts does that, shudder
zx spectrum games loading.
I remember sneaking in a handheld TV to school to watch the world cup, good times
I remember my classmates at the back of the classroom with a Walkman or a portable radio
I remember people watching professional starcraft games on the subway in Seoul Korea on their phones using dmb.
Today dmb is incredibly uncommon here because everyone has high speed unlimited internet. There is no point in paying for digital dmb tv when you can get anything available on the internet on the newest phones.
Nowadays, there are people watching DMB in KBO relay.
arirang
Allilang I guess you could call it...A dmb move!
Allilang Also ATSC LCD TVs in South Korea.
Japan still broadcasts its mobile TV signal right now, and devices supporting 1seg signal can be find easily even in today - GPS Navigator, Japan-based phone before 2021, or even handheld TV and radio. Some of these devices even supports Full seg (the one uses for home TV) reception, but might requires a separate antenna.
*Same situation with DMB.
FULLSEG and also 1SEG, no problem by moving ISDB-T receiver into another..
I had a cell phone that had an antenna and could watch about 30 channels under Verizon wireless back in like 2007 I think.
115 channels over air? WOW
that includes rubbish channels you'd never watch like QVC
That still impressive as I only get 35 or so and some are duplicated😕
We've got over 80 here in Las Vegas but most are crap or religious.
In Portugal we only get 7, one of them being the parliament channel that only broadcasts a placeholder image 90% of the time. No HD either.
Back in analogue days there were only 4 channels, back in my childhood everyone had cable but me ;_;
I'm just happy I get fox
I once had an analog handheld TV, these days UA-cam is my TV channel, my phone is the receiver and my unlimited data plan is my antenna
I agree, the mobile phone on unlimited internet (£25/mth in UK on some networks) does what handheld TV did.
@@nigelh3253 I pay $199AUD per month for my plan, but I get gigabit 4G and 5G download speeds
I love your Death Star decoration in the background.
In the Czech Republic, you used to be able to watch the Publicly funded ČT1, ČT2, ČT24 and ČTsport on DVB-H compatible devices. The service was shut down on 1. 1. 2020, just like DVB-T in favour of DVB-T2.
Thanks for your interesting and informative video. I purchased a DSE (Dick Smith Electronics) portable digital TV some years back. It does work, but not much inside moving vehicles. The only way to check reception when travelling is to stop at a place and then the digital TV can be received. We really need working hand held digital TVs especially here in Australia, where all portable digital TV' receivers have since completely disappeared off the market. For an antenna, I use a separate Tandy portable battery operated amplified antenna, which also is no longer available.
here in Italy all TV channel are in digital, but if you use an rtl-sdr and Aerial TV you can watch TV on your smartphone (android only)
quale app? sto provando da qualche giorno ma non ne trovo una decente
giammyzanna aerialtv.eu
I bought a Philips portable dvd player/TV tuner for 75 bucks about 10 years ago.
Now it is selling for 300 bucks on ebay.
It still works and the TV tuner works surprisingly well.
I used it for 2 months when I moved into my new place.
Certainly a handheld TV solved a major issue:
"Ten minutes to Wapner"..... "Five minutes to Wapner"..... "Uh-Oh, only two minutes to Wapner!"
LakeNipissing ... but we got to go get my underwear... Yeah, YEAH!!! V _ E _ R _ N!!! LOL :-)
Portable TV with 20 minute battery life and you need to plug it into your house antenna. Where can i buy this thing?
WHERE ARE ANNOYING CHILDISH NOT-FUNNY MUPPETS?! I LOVE THEM
I was looking for a show called teknoman and found this channel by mistake but fell in love with this channel instantly.
Hooray for poor comprehension!!!
You didn't quite answer the question. Here are the REAL questions...
1) What is it about the standard for digital video that makes it NOT work while moving?
2) If they can make a standard for digital video that DOES work while in motion, why not make that the ONLY standard. If it can work for a moving receiver, it will no doubt work for a stationary one too. Yeah, I know that the bandwidth is likely to be lower, but that seems like a fair trade for a robust signal.
1) Doppler shift, and then only if driving towards/away from the broadcast antenna at high speeds.
2) It would be at least HALF as efficient, negatively affecting everyone, all to support only a tiny group of people who care about mobile reception.
Doppler shift? Given the speed of the average car, that shift would be negligible. Plus, I would imagine that there is a PLL in the receiver that could compensate...
Kevin Harrelson - in the US we use 8vsb for digital television broadcast and it fails at even walking speeds and is useless compared to DVB-T when moving. The claim was that 8VSB worked better in fringe areas with fixed antennas than DVB-T, but I have never seen that tested. We had Mobile/Handheld for a while that rode on top of the 8VSB signal and was decodable while moving but the special receivers never took off so it was abandoned.
No, the doppler shift is NOT negligible at the very high signal-rates DTV uses, and it is not easy to compensate for.
8VSB isn't as bad as claimed, people have reported watching it from a moving car, but the trick is that you have to be driving perpendicular to the antenna, not directly towards/away from it, and not have a lot of multipath interference in the area.
rc xb - 19.3 megabit in a 6 MHz channel from a non line of sight Omni antenna to another Omni isn't so bad over 40 miles. Guess something has to give
The arial need to have a groundplane. So it might work at a car-roof or another metallic surface.
Wood, plastic, ... will not provide ground.
Kind of reminds me of the old crystal radios, in that we would connect the antenna to a pipe or even the radiator.
hence the magnet
Sven - I have a Telescopic center loaded antenna, it works great for Receiving DX signals as well as Transmitting, best of all No Ground Plane needed.
I personally would like a portable TV. I don't want to waste data on a phone during travel; I just would like a portable TV that plays shows through an antenna.
Buy a Wifi powered DTV receiver (ATSC for USA/Suriname/South Korea/Canada/Mexico) for your smartphone or tablet (iOS or Android).
You can watch digital ota TV broadcasts via wifi connected to DTV receiver on your tablet or smartphone.
Here in the Philippines, we have an ISDB-T/1seg wifi DTV receiver for mobile devices (ios and android)
Are data caps still a necessity though? I heard some time before 2017 that the FCC wanted to ban them. I wonder what happened.
Without data caps, we could have services like eMBMS which use LTE for TV broadcasts.
Francis Litan
My TV can stream the channel it is currently on, to my phone using a smart remote app. It has a terrestrial and a satellite receiver.
I just wanna see the news and the judge shows lol
@Katzelle3: Don't count on that happening anytime soon. The FCC is under new leadership now, and they very much favor industry over consumers. Maybe in 2021 or so.
Falls between two stools! Love that, never heard it before. I wonder why small antennas are so awful for digital TV. I would expect them to be worse for sure, but they seem to be good for nothing.
Radio Shack issued a few short lived LCD based handheld TV,s in the mid 1980's
rEdf196 I think I still have one!
Where did you get that Death Star? It’s gorgeous!
I miss analog tv
id give up highdef over the air tv, for the higher signal strength of analog tv
I also have portable FM Transmitter (Both Hanrongda HRD-808/831) (60.0 MHz - 76.0 MHz - 87.0 MHz - 108.0 MHz). and an analog radio (Degen DE1128, Happy CS-106, Tecsun R-1012) with wide FM tuner (50/64 MHz - 108 MHz) AM: 522-1710 kHz and shortwave 2.3-23 MHz, World tuning IBOC HD Radio (Sparc SHD-TX2), DAB portable radios (Full Join PPM001), and NOAA Weatherband radio.
Another Wifi TV tuners (ATSC/ISDB-T /DVB-T) like Siano Digital TV, and NSEDATO Wifi Digital TV for iPhone/iPad and Android phones and tablets.
Erik Bakker Yeah but if anything things should always be function over form. Being from the tropics in a country susceptible to being hit by rains and typhoons, when we used a digital box, we couldn't watch anything. We switched to analogue when it no longer cost around $113 to get cable in our home and we've never had that problem ever since. Sucks to see we'll be switching over a few years from now though.
computers with nikita nikita I don't not one bit.
Erik Bakker thing is, with analogue, you could get the worst signal ever and you could still watch. With digital, a poor signal gets you glitches then nothing.
My folks had an old CRT portable from the 1960s with about a 10" screen, it had a big battery cliped to the back, huge telescopic arial, and a radio dial on the bottom. Worked flawlessly all the way up until 2007.
The early 2000s were a weird time to grow up in i remember how suddenly things changed fast
Also true for those of us that were grown during that time. I started the 2000s with a clunky plastic phone that was too big to fit in my pocket and came with 30 minutes of call time a month and a VHS camcorder that looked like something from a TV studio. I ended the decade with a smartphone that could do so much more.
I was born around 1996 and grew up with the rapidly accelerating technology. When I was 7, video nows were all the rage, a few year later, iPods came out and changed it all. It was mind blowing seeing how fast us humans NEEDED data, that we changed our zeitgeist to suite us.
That's puberty for ya!🤣
What happened to handheld TVs? Those turned into smartphones. 🤣
Great video and here is some additional information for you Techmoan.
1. Use MKVToolnix program to "split" large mkv files over 4Gb, that way you can store the stuff you have on your internal storage on whatever device you have. A way of getting around the FAT32 file size limitation. Program is free and easy to use.
2. DVB-H was a good technology but the main problem was coverage, there are to few masts and the signal is to weak. It would have required building more masts for better coverage, just like you have for the mobile phone networks. You had problems with reception and it only works in some places as you said. Nobody is going to walk around with a YAGI antenna in order to watch TV on a smart phone !!!
But then again lots of smart phones do not even have FM-radio built in. If there is going to be anything of this EU will have to force manufacturers to include DVB+ chips into all smartphones, transition over to DVB+ radio and expand coverage so it works underground on the tube and else where. Also for FM reception in a smartphone you need a 3.5 jack (or 2.5 if they had used that) plus headphones as that is the antenna used for reception. But a lot of phones do not even have that any more.
No wonder DVB-H died out, and no wonder radio is going the same way. Everyone is talking about streaming but for radio the old FM network is still the better technology even if it does go digital in the future. Always on, always there if you need to listen to it. Streaming only works if the mobile phone network and internet works, back in the day radio was the most important medium for information during war times etc. And it still is, streaming is better for some things but it will never defeat radio !
Great video as always, such great content on your channel :-)
Dennis Olof My cheapo LG Aristo came with an FM tuner pre-installed by the service provider. (MetroPCS)
Nice. Unfortunately it does not matter if you have a cheap or expensive phone. Some have FM-radio chip and others not. Why I do not know but it is probably not expensive to include it during construction of the phone. The other problem is that the 3.5 jack is going away or some phones do not have it, and then you do not have a antenna to get reception of FM. Where we will end up in the future I do not know.
Many chipsets like Snapdragon included the FM tuner capabilities, but many manufacturers would disable them. I don't know why, maybe they'd have to pay for extra testing or licensing or something. But people who installed custom firmware onto Android devices often found they got a free FM radio for their trouble!
The cellular companies wouldn't WANT "smart"phones to have DVB+ chips. That would mean you might be able to watch video without being REAMED on data charges.
Hi there is there any chance it could be like a mag mount? As like the arieal needs to be stuck to a metallic surface
"What kill Handheld TV?"
*Me, a bitter Indonesian:* Soap, Reality TV, Soap, Infotainment, Soap, Pseudoscience, and soap. And did I say Soap?
@نقطة نقطة Well that definitely killed it for me.
Well, what were you doing putting soap on your handheld TV? Was it even waterproof? Trying to test it? I know my old phone broke because I strained the waterproofness of it, by trying to clean it with soap and water, so I understand your pain.
@@theblackwidower ...So, I understand you might trying to be funny, but _soap opera_ -type stuff had leave me too bitter to even contemplate the amusing side of these.
@Nerdy Digger we are all irrelevant
@@rusdanibudiwicaksono1879 Bruh. The homies just wanna be clean with the soap man. Or do you mean the the shows with the kissy fits?
I see you got some custom content running on your Worldeye. Nice!
The more I watch your videos the more I want to spend on retro tech. This video alone made me buy two Sony Watchmans :D
I have very faint memories of being a kid in the late 90s when I was very young, my parents would sell stuff in fleamarkets and we had one of those. I don't really even remember watching it, just it being there.
I remember once we were around the car at one of these fleamarkets and I climbed into the drivers seat. Since the keyes wernt in when I turned the wheel and it locked. I started bawling thinking I just broke the car.
Its still really weird how things like this make you remember non extraordinary stories you haven't thought about in years. It's even weirder how those memories make you feel. As always thanks Techmoan
That's no moon behind you ...."It's a trap!"
I remember getting a portable tv from a car boot sale for £1, used it loads, worked pretty well.
i thought you were gonna say
why don’t they make pocket tv’s anymore ?
“ they do.... they’re called i phones “
have you tried to pick up old analog signal with an old tv? there are signals up there that you can pick up. i dont know how to do this if you try and your able to pick them up, let me know... the signal is bouncing the the clouds... gov said they were going to use the old analog air space for emergency communication? there using it but not for that, there are video images and audio, maybe you can figure it out.... let me know if you do figure this out.. I have more infor if you decide to try to find the video and audio up there....larry
Details on the Death Star please!!