The most OVERRATED bands?? (Swans, RUN DMC, The Strokes...)
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Are these bands overrated?? Bad Brains, Sex PIstols, The Strokes, Beach Boys, Taylor Swift, and more.
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Get that bread, Finn.
There's nothing overrated about Run DMC they introduced rap and hip-hop culture to the world it's not just music it's black culture those rock bands on your list didn't bring nothing new to the world Run DMC did
Kanye is terrible
Flying Nun's shoegaze 👟
BAD BRAINS... how could you. THE 1982 AND 1986 ALBUMS ARE AMAZING. And that makes up for their later filler.
Swans is a band you REALLY cant judge on one song, and theyve changed so much since their early 80s stuff. The best Swans us the late 80-s to mid 90s Michael and Jarbor era, which is WAAAAY different than the song you picked. Not sure itll be your thing but it might at least change your mind.
i think its just not for Finn :) . If he does not like MBV, Sonic Youth,etc...its just different qualities/emotions/etc that people seek in music
@@jakubberan2720 I can agree with that. I just don't like people calling something terrible just because it isn't for them.
@@nickudeschini4812 but thats just how Finn operates, and thats why we are here. Sharp opinions that we can disagree with :)
Its definitely not his thing. Finn likes machine gun Kelly
"Punks don't seem to appreciate Sex Pistols" is perhaps the best description of Punk Rock and why punks are punk rock's worst enemy. Everything about the pistols was and is punk: the violence, the drugs, the catchy songs, the deaths, the ungrateful fans, the short career, and the fact that they do only have one real album. But that's all it took. Jones seems to still be doing well too.
I was never a big fan of the Postols. Always saw them as overrated but more recently I’ve grown to appreciate them more.
Spot on. The classic bands of the genre tend to eventually get a bad rep in punk circles because contrarianism is such a common trait within punk scenes (ie: not appreciating something if it's too well-known in mainstream circles).
It's easy to forget just how impactful Nevermind The Bollocks was upon its release. When I talk people who were there upon its release, everyone says a similar thing: as if suddenly everything went from browns and yellows to full-on technicolor, both figuratively and literally. Changed everything.
I get The Ramones are not everyone's cup of tea too, but it's a similar situation. The Ramones logo and legend has only became something of a popular/established thing since the early 2000s when the original members started dying and suddenly their music was given more respect in mainstream circles. For this reason, it's easy to forget that the Ramones were no where NEAR the fame and fortune that bands like KISS, Motley Crue, Aerosmith, AC/DC, etc. They were a dive band who rarely sold albums and needed to tour nonstop (in a VAN) in order to play music as a living. They are the ultimate working-class rock'n'roll band; groups like the Pistols and Ramones are revered for a reason, regardless how overrated they may seem today.
@@ggmusic3458 you just nailed it. Music that improves one’s life. I felt that in my chest reading it.
@@ggmusic3458 Totally agree about the Beatles. Deep diving into the Beatles history makes it evident quickly that what they did in such a short period of time is nothing short of shocking... specifically between 63 and 66. Every minute of the day was either writing, rehearsing, recording, acting, photoshoots or being interviewed.
I remember reading that when they played Shea Stadium, they couldn't even hear one another, the screaming was so loud. Yet, you listen to the recording, and they're so tight! They could've been blind and deaf at that point and their songs still would've been perfectly in tune and on time.
It's also like Lemmy once said: the Beatles were from Liverpool. The Stones were art school kids. Everyone thinks the Stones are the tough guys. The Beatles were the tough guys! lol
Very freaking true, the "true punks" are super trigger-happy on the "SELLOUTS" callout . I wasnt around by that time but i heard countless of interviews where the Ramones where being considered super commercial and "wtf is this pop shit" . i don't like the Sex Pistols but you HAVE to recognize their musical worth
Swans has changed and evolved so much over their career and there’s so much context involved that is important to understand when exploring their work. This style of ranking isn’t appropriate when it comes to them lol
I sure am glad my music taste is determined by what i actually like, not who listens to it
Why would anyone listen to Taylor Swift when there is Infant Annihilator?
Taylor Swift is way heavier than Infant Annihilator
Why would anyone listen to Taylor Swift when there is Dying Fetus?
@@alphachowTaylor Swift is way heavier than Dying Fetus
Gotta eat babies
Why would any anyone listen to Taylor Swift when there is Carnifex?
As a huge Swans fan, I can respect anyone that dislikes their music. Because it definitely isn't for everyone. But not all of Swans' music sounds the same. It's not even all in the same genre. There are essentially three different eras of Swans, their Industrial/Noise rock era which lasted from around 1982-1987 (which the song Finn checked out perfectly summarizes), their Post-Punk/Gothic Rock era which was around 1989-1995, and their Post-Rock era which started in 1996 and has continued to present day. If anyone who has never listened to Swans before wanted to check them out and see what the deal was about, their Noise Rock era is the last thing I would reccomend listening too. I would rather reccomend their Post-Punk era as that represents Swans' discography much better. I would specifically reccomend the songs 'Blind' and 'Where Does A Body End'. To be honest though, I feel like Finn, and most people, would put them in the bottom left anyway.
Don’t even trip dog, fantano gave one of their albums a 10 so ur chillin 👍
Omg what a swans fan to write a dissertation about how swans is so good
And now this is a true music lover comment 💯
@@Justabigbeaver How is my comment about how good Swans are? I was just giving information on the band that could be useful.
I used to listen to Swans, but I had to be in a very particular type of mood.
Pretty much anything is overrated if you don’t like it 😂
Or some member of the fanbase was mean to you online.
I love all your opinions. My wife thinks I am on the spectrum, too.
Bad Brains' self titled is one of the greatest albums in punk and hardcore. Brilliant musicianship and memorable songs.
I'm not a fan of Swans (I haven't quite made up my mind yet), but even I know you definitely have to spend more than 15 seconds listening for their music. Especially with their recent stuff, youre not gonna get the full picture of a 15-30 minute song without putting the time in and going in with good faith. I don't necessarily enjoy their music, but I at least respect what they're doing
I honestly can compare listening to their music to watching paint dry. It's almost impossible for me to focus on it and pay attention to it without my mind wandering elsewhere.
@@user-dx1jb4zq9eit’s like goth music but distorted. Every goth band had long noise interludes and intros. Swans just happens to be more distorted
I’d make an argument against anyone who says The Strokes is overrated
Hi Finn: re: Swans - they're kinda the ground zero for that really INTENSELY, POUNDING DEPRESSION heavy that Neurosis and Godflesh ran with - like an art school take on Black Flag's 'Damaged I'.
I am too normie for them these days but there's a live record called 'Public Castration is a Good Idea' that is as extreme as rock music gets, IMO - I can't imagine new dad Finn would be into it, but it is a BRUTAL record, more BRUTAL than Suffo or Infest or whatever...
Also: yr an Age of Quarrel fan, right? How can you not dig the Bad Brains? That PMA thing is ground zero for Jasta's vibe too...
Finn showing respect to the Beach Boys. Fun Fact: Mark Hoppus has said that before blink goes into the studio, he always listens to Pet Sounds to get inspiration for the harmonies.
No way he actually does this but it’s a cool anecdote
I could definitely hear the influence
"Na na" chants are a very obvious influence.
Interesting. Another artist/band i can think of who is inspired by Beach Boys is Never Shout Never
Well, if true, that explains plenty because I despise both.
I don’t care what anyone thinks. “Christmas in Hollis” by Run-DMC is, hands down, the greatest Christmas song ever created.
Agree
As a certified reformed gutterpunk your take on the BadBrains is spot on AND you should do a deep dive on them . Their influence and lasting impact is still seen today
I'm proud of you for getting better ❤
Yes, he should definitely riiiiiise to the occasion.
I don't think of MGK when I think of My Bloody Valentine.
I think of Good Charlotte
Sorry, Bad Brains is great. Damn near every band ripped them off, banned in DC is seminal, and Quickness = masterpiece.
I Against I is a masterpiece, too and Rise is also good, etc, etc, etc...
Bad Brains is the best band on this whole list.
Bad Brains will never leave my Playlist. TIMELESS. Love them. True pioneers of the genre bc how musicaly gifted they were compared to other punk bands of the era. Their later stuff isn't NEARLY as good but they cemented themselves with the 1982 and 1986 albums.
As a 42 year old hip hop head, RUN DMC is very very mid. They are very important to hip hop history, but their body of work as a whole, nothing truly impressive as someone like Guru/Gangstar
Exactly
@@FinnMckentyPRMBAno one's going to like ME because you successfully dissed run dmc 😳
Big Daddy Kane and EPMD changed the game in 1988 and 1989 with their albums. When Ain't no half steppin came out summer 88 that shit was alien. HARD.
I was ready to go to war over Beach Boys.
I STILL AM OVER HIS DISRESPECT OF BAD BRAINS.
Bad Brains and the Dead Kennedys had some of the most energetic live performances in punk, it is what definitely made me a fan. But when im in the mood for 80s hardcore or punk, they don't really enter my head as first picks. It's usually Minor Threat, Gorilla Biscuits, The Misfits and Circle Jerks. But the internet punk forums absolutely consider them two of the greatest punk bands. Definitely overrated but still great bands.
Bad Brains will never leave my Playlist. TIMELESS. Love them. True pioneers of the genre. Their later stuff isn't nearly as good but they cemented themselves with the 1982 and 1986 albums. I got the itch to listen to Re-ignition.
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I always had the impression that Bad Brains were more legendary for their concerts than their actual albums
About shoegaze, i think souvlaki by slowdive is a great example of fantastic songwriting in shoegaze. I think loveless is special due to its crushing sonic landscape, i wouldn't say background music, id just say the textures, synth leads and production techniques take center stage oppose to vocals, i think it creates really interesting hooks that stick with me in weird ways, i love it, but its not for everyone
What baffles me is how people don't understand that there's a reason certain artists become huge and reach legend status, yes luck may have played a role, but mostly they are just that great at what they do. Are they overrated? Probably, but they're still great. My favourite artists tend to be those ones, I love sex pistols and my bloody valentine because they were at the top of their genres, but at least 90% of the artists that followed (or outright copied) them I just can't get into. Why eat fast food when you have the choice of fresh produce?
I think the main reason music nerds love The Beach Boys so much is because of Pet Sounds, which was incredibly ahead of its time, but other than that none of their music is all that interesting to me personally.
Many people say the same about the Beatles, esp early stuff.. think you really have to be from that era to truly get it
I love Bad Brains, but the only area I think they get credited where they shouldn't is by some people saying they created hardcore punk. The Middle Class 7" was out before any Bad Brains output. However, Bad Brains is more influential than the Middle Class and may be the best players in all of punk.
Middle Class was definitely the earliest release that could be classed as hardcore, but it's still hard to say if they were the ones who invented it, as bands like Black Flag (technically Panic) formed before them, and could have easily been playing hardcore but not have a recorded anything.
I guess we'll never truly know.
@@ohalistair Iggy and The Stooges 'I Got A Right' may be proto-hardcore. Not quite hardcore, but the closest thing in 1972. I think that's when it was recorded.
Bad Brains will never leave my Playlist. TIMELESS. Love them. True pioneers of the genre bc they were so good as instrumentalist at a time when punk wasn't skilled like that. Their later stuff isn't nearly as good but they cemented themselves with the 1981 and 1986 albums.
Germs were playing really fast stuff very early on as well. Germs are paleo-hardcore
@@TobiasC-mg4zk There was a lesser known group called Rhino 39 who played really fast too. They weren't really that good. Germs are better.
Bad Brains? I'll meet you behind the portable after school.
Totally.
My heart goes out Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys. Imagine writing all those amazing songs, only to be thwarted by the music industry. Why be so talented when The Beatles come out with utter trash and they go straight to the top! Unfortunately this really hasn’t changed…
I laughed out loud of how ignorant the Swans take was. Barely listened to one song in their least accessible era and immediately passed it off. He’s missing out on some massively important and incredible bodies of music.
Whats even worse is the just as if not more ignorant chat💀 “this is just ministry”
“I can hear the trent reznor”
“Dude… The drums being out of tune… Oof”
3 minutes between chord changes=massively important💀😴😴
The smugness of this comment is hilarious
@@trtorbelfort bro has not listened to helpless child. Its not about the chords its about the build up
@@chriseternalife its true though, he listened to inaccessible point in their career and didn’t like it which was to be expected. You literally cannot judge band that massive from one song, its not fair at all, they did everything from noise rock, to goth, to even folk and had a huge influence on just about every rock or metal band
Don't take the bait people. Our angry comments will only make him more powerful.
Great take on Sex Pistols. I honestly thought you would say the opposite. Its so "hip" to hate them. Nmtb is incredible. That guitar tone is my favorite ever.
And Paul Cook's drumming 🍻
I think the reason why Taylor Swift became so big is because her songs were (almost) always undeniably good. “Our song” was the first one that got me hooked. Speak now is the album that made me a fan, when Red came out I knew she was always going to be one of my favorite artists. In contrast most of the stuff I listen to is hardcore and southern rap. At this point, I can’t even pretend that Taylor Swift isn’t my favorite artist. I’m probably listening to her 30% of the time, and the rest of my time is split between all of the other music I like.
i know 15 taylor songs just from the radio alone i never listened to her albums before midnights
Bad brains you are just wrong. The end
"Have you tried listening to Run DMC lately?" I spent two hours working out on Saturday listening to Run DMC. King of Rock and Raising Hell are still fantastic albums.
Mad respect for them for fusing rock, and they did it back from the get go. "Rock Box" still slaps after all these years.
Also, Public Enemy is IMO the greatest rap act that ever did it.
I agree on your take about The Sex Pistols. Nevermind the Bollocks is a phenomenal punk record that doesn't really get any contemporary love, even though it influenced pretty much everything. I totally disagree about My Bloody Valentine. I don't really like most shoegaze, but they did what they did really well and Loveless is probably one of the 10 best records of the 90s. Also, I feel like EVERYBODY likes My Bloody Valentine. At least the whole midwest emo crowd in the region of the country I'm from seems to have gravitated toward that band somewhere along the way. Your take on Swans was a little dismissive. I don't like the early shit much.The Great Annihilator is a masterpiece. I guess ultimately, if you don't identify with the fanbase of something, you're never going to see anything in the music. I mostly agree about Bad Brains, but they have some bangers.
If Run DMC aged poorly, you can say the same of the Sex Pistols
The 70s punk sound is still being imitated by modern bands, no one is doing the Run DMC sound with any success.
Someone famous right now should try to copy Run DMC, it would be funny and could be considered ironically masterpiecio if done correctly, at least it would be an interesting experiment.
@ghost_mall 90s boom bap has aged very well. It's still being replicated by artists to this day, Run DMC is not being replicated. Rock literally has the same situation of historical context. Hair Metal has aged pretty poorly overall and outside of parody bands, it has no significant presence in modern music. I'm not even comparing hip hop to rock necessarily, the genre is irrelevant. The Sex Pistols sound still holds up, The Run DMC sound doesn't.
Very different musical issues are involved. There are current bands doing something close to the Pistols sound from the late 70s (a great one is Amyl and the Sniffers for example). Meanwhile hip hop lyrical and rapping technique as well as lyrical themes was still growing and getting more complex during the late 80s and so that is why Run DMC sounds so simplistic right now since it evolved very greatly afterwards with Rakim, Biggie, 2Pac, Nas, MF Doom and Kendrick as well as having other innovative takes such as mumble rap (Future, Young thug) while hip hop beats also grew more complex with late 80s innovations, Bomb Squad, 90s boom bap and jazz rap, Dilla and later with the omnipresent "trap" style of production. So punk makes almost a virtue in simplistic and direct sounds while hip hop was always a genre dependent on electronics (which evolves very fast) and which did something which was very innovative for all music vocalization which was rapping and so that is why early 80s rapping sounds "corny" and dated now while 70s punk not as much
@@ghost_mall Yeah bro, I'm not saying this because Finn said it but thanks for the charitable interpretation lol
Aged poorly doesn't mean it's necessarily bad music, it's that the genre was so unique to the time and the evolution of a specific genre, that the artists style of music just doesn't translate into a modern format. I don't even necessarily dislike Run DMC, I like My Adidas, song is a banger but that style (along with the Beastie Boys) you can't do it unironically. Comedians have been making fun of 80s hip hop for awhile now, I can't believe you've never heard anyone lightly roast that style.
Listen to Run DMC all day long, I don't care but I think outside of few songs, the music is very of it's time and as far as hip hop goes, Run DMC isn't even peaking my top 50 artists.
Hell yeah, brother! Love when Finn critiques stuff, whether it's a shit take or not, it's always hilarious 😎
Finn is better when he analyses music trends and his own favourite genres: hardcore and metal. Beyond that I think Finn is very close minded who either only tends to like hardcore and metal shit to mosh to or sensationalistically be "extreme (that is when it is "exciting" to him) or else tends to praise very pop mainstream stuff (Taylor Swift, Ariana Grande, etc). He mostly hates indie because he holds stereotypes about so called "hipsters" and gentrification from the 2000s. That is how I suggest to approach his videos: for hardcore and metal go to him but expect some fixation on mallcore stuff from the 2000s, for any other rock or music really go somewhere else and for indie just avoid him completely because he seems to often be just ignorant about it as this "review" of Swans in this video showed.
bad brains: just the first few albums. however, I got into them from loving reggae: bad brains were my entry into hardcore... around 86 or so.
The strokes are truly a great band, I think some of their newer stuff from the mid 2010’s are massively under appreciated, they bring a unique sound every album, room on fire was for me their masterpiece, it’s such a hard rock album that shows how skilled they are as musicians, also their solos stuff form the members are also great, Julian has had an incredible solo career with some massive songs
@@ghost_mallthat’s kinda what’s good about the album though. Its nice to hear the more loose and laid back song structures, really makes the album feel less uptight compared to their prior four albums (as great as most of them are). I don’t think it was them being lazy so much as them taking a different approach to writing and recording.
You know, if they weren't a bunch of nepo-kids pushed as the "saviors of rock" and "best of 2001", I wouldn't be so hostile...
That said they are at best "the greatest band" noone can remember a single hit from. And let's be honest, that's overrating them.
Ask average rock listeners to name a song by the Strokes. That's how "great" they are.
i need to start catching u live cuz i always wana chat in the comments
Man’s said Taylor swift the biggest pop star of all time 😂 I fuck with you fin but Michael Jackson existed
Yeah she’s right up there with MJ!
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA She's huge but I'd disagree that she's as big as MJ. Also MJ came during the time when there's no internet. Nobody's gonna be as big as MJ ever again. He's 100× more popular WORLDWIDE & ALL DEMOGRAPHIC. That's why he's the king of pop.
Dudes she has a effing church of people drawn to her like a cult and will gladly hand her Saudi tier money for farting in a walkie talkie (just kidding)
You will never replicate MJ because there are too many entertainment options now but she is as close as it gets.
So, it's bad to say the Sex Pistols are bad because Johnny Rotten is unlikable but it's right to say Screeching Weasel is bad because Ben Weasel is unlikable? Cool.
@@ghost_mall Finn is allowed to feel however he wants to feel. I religiously watch his content, so I guess I must be a supporter of this concept. However, he said in a past video that even though Screeching Weasel has influenced some of pop punk's biggest stars (Green Day and Blink 182), Ben Weasel is an asshole and therefore he couldn't put them any higher than tier F. Then in this video he gives crap to people who hating on the Sex Pistols just because they're assholes. How is that not hypocrisy?
I love watching finns videos hes shown me so much music, usually a good way to find good music is when finn doesnt like it and says it trash thats always the best shit
Yes
@@FinnMckentyPRMBAI laugh at the libs jokes and they hit a nerve because they know I'm in a bad mood. everytime
exactly lmfao. i love him but i find that he dislikes all my favorite bands- system of a down, megadeth, bad brains, etc while the stuff he does hype up is mgk, falling in reverse, etc. i don't trust his taste one bit 😭
"theres a reason why nobody likes swans"
Nobody= finn after skimming 10 seconds from their first record completely ignoring the 30 years of innovation they did in the underground music world
Also ignoring that they currently have the #64 album of all time on Rateyourmusic, which could almost make you think some people actually do like them.
Only thing I disagreed with in this whole thing was the comparison between Run DMC and Public Enemy. I must have listened to It takes a Nation of Millions a thousand times when it came out... case in point: Black Steel In the Hour of Chaos has zero similarities to anything Run DMC ever made. PE was light years ahead of anything from that era. They even did a collaboration with Anthrax, which was bonkers back then.
Beach Boys and Brian Wilson are responsible for the entire punk genre and arguably emo too. Brian Wilson is probably the most important musician alive. I implore anyone to listen to their discography. I hoped Brian Wilson would get more recognition in his lifetime as the godfather of punk and emo, but that doesn't look like it's going to be the case. I think he knows his music will live on forever, though. I saw him last year perform live and he's still going strong at 80 years old.
I don't consider Taylor Swift overrated. I'm definitely not a "Swifty", but she's one of the best pop artists, and imo one of the only actually good pop artists of the past 15 years. I guess I agree with your sentiment, though, that she's overrated by her fans, who are a....ittle aggressive (especially for a pop star fandom)
could you point me in the right direction in uncovering The Beach Boys' invention of punk and emo? i've never heard this claim made before and am very intrigued by it
@@pizzzaeater1425 Depends on what you're asking because there's multiple answers. If you mean alternative sound of punk, I'd say The Beach Boys Love You, which was basically a proto-punk album. IMO the album has several excellent songs, but the rest are misses. There's also Pet Sounds, which really innovated many non-typical instrument sounds in rock music, which opened the door for many sounds used in punk and emo. But I personally think the Surfin USA album in I think 1962 or 1963 was what really laid the foundation of punk and emo. It created the "california sound", which is that nasally and whiny sound which was never really used before. Even though the tune of Surfin USA is actually almost a carbon copy of Sweet Little Sixteen by Chuck Berry, it created a new sound for rebellious white youth, who otherwise weren't really listening to anything rebellious at the time and weren't exposed to the black artists at the time. The Ramones said that without Beach Boys, there wouldn't have been Ramones. Numerous punk bands covered, mentioned, or drew direct inspiration of Beach Boys' music. Rockaway Beach, I think the Descendants did a beach boys-inspired song, the Clash's disorted sounds, even bands like Agent Orange and the Dead Milkmen acknowledge Beach Boys. So in summary, give Surfin USA, Pet Sounds, and Beach Boys Love You a listen (they're all on youtube for free).
Blindboy Boatclub did a podcast on how one of The Beachboys being punched in the throat by Charlie Manson inadvertently led to the creating of Grunge. The episode was called Brendan Heaven, you can look it up, honestly worth a listen.
I booked HR one time and literally 5 people showed up, not counting the opening bands.
This was a suppressed memory and you just brought it back out.
Thank you Finn
It is the promotor's fault no one showed up.
@@cijntjekid bombs happen all the time and it’s not always contributed to whether or not the promoter promoted enough. Sometimes it’s just a bad market for that type of performer. At that time and probably still now. No one at all cared to see HR play in a reggae band. Now I might of thought it was cool or it was a cool idea for a show, but no one else did. Minus the five people
I don't know how you can say The Sex Pistols are good and Bad Brains are bad. That is strange.
Hey finn theres a new berried alive song called masterpeach. The beginning riff sounds like a another song but i cant figure out what it is.
I’ve had the same issues with Bad Brains. I believe most of their lore comes from those that saw their energetic live performances at an important time in hardcore history. I’m sure it felt very impactful at the time.
It's that they were far better musicians than literally every other punk band at the time. They genre hopped long before it became common. Rock For Light holds up better than any other punk album that decade. Any.
I know it's been beaten to death, but it's the same thing as when a 20 something says they don't understand the hype around Nirvana. Which is somewhat fair now that it's been 30 years. But if you were alive at the time and into music, you understand why there was the hype for the Seattle bands. Or you may have been alive at the time and those were the bands that pulled you into music.
I love All Else Failed and still listen to them to this day. But I'll admit that if you never had the chance to see them live, it may be something you just can't get into. Felt the same way about early Dillinger.
Bad Brains will never leave my Playlist. TIMELESS. Love them. True pioneers of the genre. Their later stuff isn't nearly as good but they cemented themselves with the 1982 and 1986 albums. I got the itch to listen to Re-ignition.
I like/appreciate The Strokes more now than when they first came around.
@@unbeatable617 i think its generally easier to like the band after the hype is no longer present ..i am guilty of that
I love their first album. Everything after that isn't quite as good, but with that said, they've still managed to write a good song here and there. They never totally fell off, imo.
You were right about your Bad Brains opinion hurting, and My Bloody Valentine. I'm a fan of both, especially BB, but then again i love Deftones also so i should have seen this coming. They are influenced by both. I do get not liking HR vocals, i didn't like them at first. They can play their asses off though. I'm also a big reggae fan so that plays a part in this too.
But i absolutely agree about Swans, i always think of pretentious snobs when i hear their name.
This is a terrible video, if you want to attack the subject matter of if a band is overrated in a UA-cam video then I would almost say that you have to listen to all of their albums to give a proper opinion, you can't just listen to 15 seconds of their first song and call them trash, you can call the song trash but not the band as a whole.
Surf's Up from the beach boys, is a huge record the two last songs: Til i die, and surf's up are perfect pop songs
When you were talking about My Bloody Valentine, I was thinking “wait, wasn’t that the metal band that did the song Tears Don’t Fall?” And realized that is Bullet For My Valentine lmao. 🤣🤣
Made the some mistake lol
Listen to the 'Loveless' album by MBV. It's a vibe.
As the great Finn Mckenty said once: "It doesn't matter who did it first, it matters who did it right/better" and Bad Brains ain't it...
@@ghost_mall The two more "alternative metal" albums from the 80s they released were great as albums and also innovative musically. I can see why some people might criticize the vocals (although HR has been praised as both influential and eclectic by other critics) but perhaps their early releases worked more as singles which was also the case with Minor Threat for example and also would have been benefited more by having better producers at a time where they, as accepted by Finn himself, were more or less inventing hardcore. For more contemporary "tough" hardcore fans their eclecticism and spirituality might be annoying (mixing hardcore with rasta reggae sounds and themes) but it is hard to think that things like straight edge and krishnacore would have existed at all without them and their influence is clear in a band like Turnstile which even wears Bad Brains shirts. By listening to Rock for light and the next two alternative metal albums you can understand all of hardcore´s history since they might be the center of all hardcore and summarize most of all of its main trajectories (making punk even faster in their begginings, delving into self improvement and spirituality with their rasta lyrics, adopting metal influences with the I againts I album, adding groove and even some hip hop influence mainly with the Quickness album and all of that just in the 80s). In the end they were just visionaries who had a lot of personality but that does not mean they will necessarely produce the most realized albums in a genre which they pioneered and which got more complex and diverse afterwards as well as more resources and a bigger scene to sustain it
I totally disagree about Bad Brains. Without them, you wouldn't be here commenting on music. The self titled debut is legendary and what you say about bad albums hss some merit. I do like Rock For Light though. But tell me how many bands that stick around have perfect discographies?
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Dude just discredited himself when he said that swans is trash
I think, with a lot of older bands, the innovation is more lost as time passes
The "Seinfeld isn't funny" problem
A hardcore dude not loving the roir sessions and the S/t record? I must say I’m shocked. My fave hardcore band ever.
Another amazing video. Definitely going to recommend this to my friends for sure.
Bad Brains were great musicians. thats what separated them from almost all their contemporaries. Also Sex Pistols (at least on the NVMND The Bollocks) were tight, not really sloppy
Yes the NMTB album was really tight
My Bloody Valentine rules and they kind of helped make shoegaze popular in Tokyo with the movie Lost in Translation. We wouldn't have had awesome shoegazing bands like Tokyo Shoegazer, Pasteboard, Lemon's Chair, and Pastel Blue without them. How can shoegaze suck if the best Smashing Pumpkins song (Mayonaise) is a shoegazing classic?
Finn hates everything thats sounds indie or shoegazy :D
@@TheCivildecay Nothing quite like being half asleep and listening to a shoegaze album in full volume in a dark room. Finn doesn't know what he's missing.
@@soysaucehairdye7869 true. I love it
@@soysaucehairdye7869 i think Finn just does not listen to music in such a way ..thats why he will never like Sonic Youth, Shoegaze .... deep inside he is a pop guy - he needs melodies, hooks,... Nothing bad about it tho
@@jakubberan2720 He should give Cocteau Twins a try then. 'Lorelei' has to be one of the catchiest shoegazy songs of all time. The best male melodic shoegaze band has to be The Autumns in their first EP and their album 'The Angel Pool.' The singer sounds like Patrick Watson.
Finn, even the guys in Sex Pistols knew their music was shit, that was the whole Punk aesthetics. Make loud trashy shitty music to make a statement of shock value.
Everything was for shock value, the look, the spitting, playing your instruments like shit, obscene language, fighting each other etc etc.
It was a statement rather than playing music.
Personally I don’t get it as Punk (and it’s subgenres), is just something I really don’t get
Oddly, while they gained immediately fame for swearing on live TV, the first example was something John Lydon said under his breath, and the rest was after being egged on to swear by the presenter (who never worked again). Their music was raw, but is was meant to be, but a lot of it had some decent writing. Sid was crap on the bass, but he only came in later. The others could all play to a decent level, although Jones wasn't as good as Glen Matlock or Paul Cook. The spitting was from the fans, rather than the band (all the punk bands hated it).
As a Kanye fan, i agree, he should be regarded more as a genius producer because his samples and beats are fantastic but as a rapper he is very mid
Lyrically he isn't strong but I think it's the whole lore and personality of Kanye in his songs that carry his mid lyrics
Finn is so punk he can't trash bad brains as much as he wants. I understand. Im the same way
the bad brains legacy comes from their first album (the tape before rock for ligh) and their live shows in the early 80'. that is what people think about when they say they are great, not all the meh stuff they did afterwards. the footage from this era is insane (hr is like the godfather of all hc vocalist) and this album sounds incredible to this day imo. it is a 10/10 record without the reggae songs.
the reggae songs are cool too, and make the hardcore ones stand out in contrast
I appreciate the PMA reggae to breakup the tracks on albums. BB were the moat skilled musicians of that punk Era and went hard. Bad Brains will never leave my Playlist. TIMELESS. True pioneers of the genre. Their later stuff isn't nearly as good but they cemented themselves with the 1982 and 1986 albums.
Bad Brains were a live band
@11:23 you've been listening to 80s rap since Sweet Children formed, nice! I have a bit of a Green Day obsession, so I made this all about them. 😅
You got me with Swans… listen to Children of god, the burning world, Holy money, The Seer… or even just “Oxygen” before you take this opinion at face value. There are many phases of swans and they are all worth exploring in my opinion.
Finn, if I could sentence you to one swans listening session I would. Even if you hate it still it’d be content worth viewing. I wanna hear you say it, Squidward.
He doesnt like slow paced music it seems... its why he hates neurosis too
I gotta give it up to Brian Wilson, a man who locked himself in his house and fried his brain on acid in order to stack tracks just so, making Pet Sounds a game changer in the industry at the time and going forward.
If you crapped on the Beach Boys I could have never forgiven you... Thank you! 😊
Your Sex Pistols take was a bit of a surprise, given that you seem to prefer hardcore much more. Their niche status is understandably from a US perspective, but NMTB was a No.1 selling album in the UK, and GSTQ would have been a No.1 single if it hadn't been for a dubious method of counting sales that week. Hating them appears to very much be an American thing, perhaps because so many bought into Malcolm McLaren's rewriting of history to claim he manufactured everything about them. Over here he's known to be a lying self-publicist.
I'm a Canadian, so luckily I've never had any issue with being a fan of the Ramones and Pistols without any bias (or for that matter, The Saints from Australia too).
It definitely seems to be more of an American thing (same with Brits when it comes to the Ramones), but I also think it tends to be a universal "male between ages 16 and 30 who is desperate to portray themselves as the most punk among their friends and thinks he's revealing some deep obscure info about the truth of the Pistols when in reality, he's just a dupe of propaganda who fell for the same b.s. as many other dupes before him" thing too.
Whenever I hear that opinion about the Pistols being a "manufactured boy band", I cringe. It's an immediate reveal of a person who doesn't know their history, but wants their friends to think he does.
I have to admit, I was shocked to see you put the Pistols where you did. I tuned in because I saw their logo in the thumbnail, but a lot of your opinions on bands differs from my own (except Eighteen Visions; I rarely find anyone who appreciates them as much as you do). So I was pleasantly surprised to hear you praise them so much and echo all the things I've thought about them since I heard Nevermind The Bollocks
Love how you threw Fantano in there early lol
judging swans off the first hundred listens is a mistake.
Worst takes yet. Love you Finn ❤
Ikr. He was right about Kanye though. So overrated. His Bad Brains hate passed me off though. They are Amazing... who cares of their stuff after I against I wasn't good.
@@Habeev07 haha that’s the same take that annoyed me.
most ignorant Swans take, they're a band that needs your time. Not for tik tok culture and clickbait
Listening to swans is like eating shit by the mouthful in the hopes of tasting corn eventually.
I'm so grateful that you appreciate The Beach Boys. Pet Sounds and Good Vibrations are incredible. I even love Kokomo honestly
I want a Fantano and Mckenty arm wrestling contest!
Never Mind The Bollox was the first punk album I heard (a couple of years ago around my 13th birthday) and then I heard Green Day and Blink and some other pop punk bands (like Youth Fountain and Real Friends) and now I’m a guitarist and singer in a pop punk band
Saw Swans live many times. Id say they are a pure live band this is when their music starts to shine, but i can understand if their music is boring as studio music to ppl
Yeah, I'd never sit and listen to Sun0)))) in the house, but I have seen them every time they've passed through my city and will every time they do again. Would do that for Swans given a chance.
I'm sure that's true to an extent, but soundtracks for the blind is a fucking unmatched listening experience, I never have time to sit through the whole thing, but when I do, it's punishing and captivating front to back
I love Loveless and m b v from my bloody valentine and shoegaze in general, but it's always funny seeing you dunk on popular artists
I seriously love these videos Finn! You dont pull your punches and i respect you for it! 😂
The self titled album and i against i are fantastic albums but their catalog is definitely iffy and I would rather listen to Suicidal Tendencies hands down. i also hate getting told I look like HR at every punk show I ever go too cause apparently every black person only got into punk because of bad brains🥴🥴🥴
Bad Brains will never leave my Playlist. TIMELESS. Love them. True pioneers of the genre bc how musicaly gifted they were compared to other punk bands of the era. Their later stuff isn't NEARLY as good but they cemented themselves with the 1982 and 1986 albums.
Finn's not a fan of the DC post-punk scene but I would love his take on Jawbox. One of my favorites.
Burning Airlines, too 🍻
Love And Rockets are amazing! Thanks for mentioning them. The Godfathers are legends, too. I'm friends with Algis Kizys(fellow bass player), and that whole Chicago moved to New York City crowd. Da, Bag People, Of Cabbages and Kings. All stuff you would hate, LOL! Some of the people in these bands I've known since high school, and played in bands with them myself. They're all nice people. Some of their music is not my cup of tea. Some of it's ok. Some of it is amazing.
Millennial here. I do not get why half the peeps my age or younger thinks Kanye is the greatest to ever do it. Dre or timbaland, or to me even scott storch are waaaaay better IMO
Scott storch?????
Love your laker hat but not your Bad Brains opinion. You knew the comments would come.
For the guy who said what about Primus I totally agree like people had to be high to of liked their music right ?
I've always loved primus. High or not.
@@robertrogers3055 I’ve listened to their biggest songs for the most part and absolutely hate them even though the song about a certain beaver is an ear worm that once you hear you won’t be able to unhear it.
my bloody valentine is just good, they had a resurgence because they're good, 20 years from now, they will come up again because they're good
I think you got The Strokes description pinned. So close to the car commercial sound that Top Gear used them as car testing montage music once.
Maybe songs like someday but go beyond their hit songs and they have some unbelievable music
Swans first era was harsh industrial , they also have a period leaning heavily into a sound that more akin to a less gloomy Joy Division , and a later more dynamic sound as well as stuff that’s weird in a creative way
The level of musicianship to talk about vegetables is hilarious haha.
8:07 I'm having trouble digesting and understanding this wall of weird noise 😆😆
Bad Brains. The vocals aren't all that bad on the reggae pieces....and I Against I isn't a bad song....that's all I'm going to say...because I don't know what else to say.
I like the pistols but if I never hear anarchy in the UK I'll be good with that
Lolla 92? I didnt see any 2nd stage bands because all we got were Jim Rose sideshow freaks. Probably a consequence of our location, rural Reston, Virginia. Some landowner gave up his farm for a day and thats where the concert was held. Mud everywhere and only the main stage acts, plus booths and the aforementioned Circus. Lush was the shoegaze act on the bill that day. Pearl Jam had to perform half a set with Chris Cornell because Vedder was late getting to stage. They then put on the very first mini Temple of the Dog show. Then Cornell brought out Soundgarden and opened the set with Cop Killer. As great as all that was, Ministry stole the show.
Finn your the best dude!!!! I believe Dave Grohl said there is no good or bad music I try and look at it like that if I can but know this the moment you say something bad about Rancid…it’s curtains.😂
You’re good. He released a good video. Few months ago on Rancid
The new Rancid album is one of my favorites of 2023 🍻