My parents always said "there's nothing new under the sun"! Back in the day as you say it was called "working to rule", and also "action short of a strike". Our low wage and long hours culture in the UK is going to certainly precipitate more of this kind of action. Nice vid. Glad I found you.
Great stuff Dee. To be fair if employers looked after employees I doubt quiet quitting would be a thing. At my work place, if employees stop doing overtime, the whole company would be in trouble. We work because the job is satisfying and it pays well.
I completely agree if employers treated their staff well, they probably wouldn’t feel the need or even want to quiet quit. It’s telling of the employer if a large number of their staff decide to do this.
Hi Dee, welcome back! You’ve been missed girl! Nice factual video (as usual). Interesting topic. I guess one can look at this from different angles (my opinion though). Firstly a lot depends on how much time a person has available outside of their contracted hours with respect to other commitments such as family and dependents. It’s a lot easier (I think) for single people to put in all those extra hours amounting to double shifts - similar to the example you gave of the lady in the article working 60 hours a week?! {equivalent to 12 hours a day on a 5 day week} - compared to those with family and caring responsibilities. Secondly a lot depends on location. When working from home, it’s a lot easier to put in even more hours compared to working at an office / site as the 5 minutes spent commuting to one’s desk at home versus say a 4 hour round trip to the office/site and back home, can be utilised for working those extra 4 hours. Thirdly (and a bit controversial), there is the opinion that a person having to put in all those extra hours may not even be that good at their job in the first place, especially if others within the team with similar tasks take less time to produce the required deliverables of quality value. A lot of employers (in the UK) may not look to kindly at an employee firing off emails at 10pm, 11pm, or midnight and this would raise uncomfortable questions regarding the employee’s competence and lack of work/life balance + the real risk to their health for putting in so many hours constantly. Yes, sometimes it’s unavoidable especially when working in essential services (I.e. health, fire brigade, police, etc) but even then, overworking one’s self can be detrimental to both themselves and the public they serve as one’s concentration levels go down the longer you work. Overall, I think it’s best to manage expectations on both sides (employee & employer). Yes, a new stater will be keen and enthusiastic but I think it’s important to start as you mean to go.
Great, great points!!! I agree being single makes a huge difference to how much time you can commit to work, and I find people with families are a lot more likely to set clear cut boundaries at work. I really loved your point about efficiency. I think it’s a good point, but I also think it’s very job specific. I know in mine for instance, there are weeks where the amount of work you need to do is between 40-50 hours, so as much as you can try to be more efficient, you will definitely go over the 37.5 if you want to complete all tasks. Starting as you mean to go on is SO important. It’s funny how that woman in the article was considered to be slacking when she was no longer willing to work 60 hour weeks. She set the precedent and that became her employers expectation. Thanks for the comment, loved hearing your thoughts 😊
Hi Dee, nice to see you back I am from the UK. For me, I have always been a hard, conscientious worker so I did use to work over and above what was required of me in my contract and reap no rewards. I notice that once I moved to another company, I noticed some people were happy to let me get on with it and work very hard, whilst they were able to get up and have many breaks for the day and just chat to others around them. To be honest, this is a cultural thing, I shall say no more. Now as I am older, that's not something I am prepared to put up with so, I am in a position to walk.
I think being in a position to walk creates a huge dynamic shift. You the employee do end up holding a good amount of power and don’t have to stand for unfair working conditions. Good for you!
@@FinanceDee at the same time I have to be mindful as it could affect my working status. I am going to start a new job and my intent is to make it work for me and speak up earlier with HR if I do meet negativity that happens around me.
FYI for the BBC article I merged the two women’s stories into one (by accident), but the points still remain. Linked in description if you want to have a read for yourself 😊
I think you should always put yourself first, so if there's no benefit to you of working extra hours or taking up extra work, then you shouldn't do it. But, if there is a benefit to you of doing it e.g. gaining extra income, or experience that will be valuable to you, then it's ok. Sometimes I find I just need to work extra hours to catch back up on work when it's piling up as well. But ultimately there really needs to be something to gain from working extra hours or taking up extra projects, rather than just overworking for the sake of it.
Completely agree! If there’s gain for you (extra income, increased visibility, less stress for another day/week) it’s ok or even good to work that bit extra. The problem I find is when there’s an expectation to do so at a “dead end” job.
@@FinanceDee if it's a dead end job then I would just do the minimum required whilst looking for a better job in my free time, but I know that's easier said than done!
@@FinanceDee One of my English teachers in secondary school used to tell us "it's not my job" when being asked to go above and beyond... and we would just sit there unnerved and awkward like, "Riiiight... Soooo, what do we do now?!" 😂 it's such a powerful phrase because, really, what can anyone SAY in response?! 😅
Perhaps one of the unforeseen outcomes of Covid. Perhaps people have realised the work life balance phrase needs flesh on its bones to be meaningful. Additionally there is a convergence of events and circumstances that is prompting people to reevaluate their lives and those they hold dear. I can hear the existential tech tonic plates creaking.
🤣🤣 existential tectonic plates!! I agree it’s not enough now to say “we believe in work life balance”. It needs to be put into action and employees need to feel that they can exercise it without being penalised for it.
My parents always said "there's nothing new under the sun"!
Back in the day as you say it was called "working to rule", and also "action short of a strike".
Our low wage and long hours culture in the UK is going to certainly precipitate more of this kind of action.
Nice vid. Glad I found you.
Yes I love that quote. It’s in the bible.
Yes the low wages in the U.K. are not incentive enough for people to slave away.
Glad you found me too 😊
Great stuff Dee. To be fair if employers looked after employees I doubt quiet quitting would be a thing. At my work place, if employees stop doing overtime, the whole company would be in trouble. We work because the job is satisfying and it pays well.
I completely agree if employers treated their staff well, they probably wouldn’t feel the need or even want to quiet quit. It’s telling of the employer if a large number of their staff decide to do this.
Hi Dee, welcome back! You’ve been missed girl! Nice factual video (as usual).
Interesting topic. I guess one can look at this from different angles (my opinion though).
Firstly a lot depends on how much time a person has available outside of their contracted hours with respect to other commitments such as family and dependents. It’s a lot easier (I think) for single people to put in all those extra hours amounting to double shifts - similar to the example you gave of the lady in the article working 60 hours a week?! {equivalent to 12 hours a day on a 5 day week} - compared to those with family and caring responsibilities.
Secondly a lot depends on location. When working from home, it’s a lot easier to put in even more hours compared to working at an office / site as the 5 minutes spent commuting to one’s desk at home versus say a 4 hour round trip to the office/site and back home, can be utilised for working those extra 4 hours.
Thirdly (and a bit controversial), there is the opinion that a person having to put in all those extra hours may not even be that good at their job in the first place, especially if others within the team with similar tasks take less time to produce the required deliverables of quality value. A lot of employers (in the UK) may not look to kindly at an employee firing off emails at 10pm, 11pm, or midnight and this would raise uncomfortable questions regarding the employee’s competence and lack of work/life balance + the real risk to their health for putting in so many hours constantly.
Yes, sometimes it’s unavoidable especially when working in essential services (I.e. health, fire brigade, police, etc) but even then, overworking one’s self can be detrimental to both themselves and the public they serve as one’s concentration levels go down the longer you work.
Overall, I think it’s best to manage expectations on both sides (employee & employer). Yes, a new stater will be keen and enthusiastic but I think it’s important to start as you mean to go.
Great, great points!!! I agree being single makes a huge difference to how much time you can commit to work, and I find people with families are a lot more likely to set clear cut boundaries at work.
I really loved your point about efficiency. I think it’s a good point, but I also think it’s very job specific. I know in mine for instance, there are weeks where the amount of work you need to do is between 40-50 hours, so as much as you can try to be more efficient, you will definitely go over the 37.5 if you want to complete all tasks.
Starting as you mean to go on is SO important. It’s funny how that woman in the article was considered to be slacking when she was no longer willing to work 60 hour weeks. She set the precedent and that became her employers expectation.
Thanks for the comment, loved hearing your thoughts 😊
Hi Dee, nice to see you back I am from the UK. For me, I have always been a hard, conscientious worker so I did use to work over and above what was required of me in my contract and reap no rewards. I notice that once I moved to another company, I noticed some people were happy to let me get on with it and work very hard, whilst they were able to get up and have many breaks for the day and just chat to others around them. To be honest, this is a cultural thing, I shall say no more. Now as I am older, that's not something I am prepared to put up with so, I am in a position to walk.
I think being in a position to walk creates a huge dynamic shift. You the employee do end up holding a good amount of power and don’t have to stand for unfair working conditions. Good for you!
@@FinanceDee at the same time I have to be mindful as it could affect my working status. I am going to start a new job and my intent is to make it work for me and speak up earlier with HR if I do meet negativity that happens around me.
FYI for the BBC article I merged the two women’s stories into one (by accident), but the points still remain. Linked in description if you want to have a read for yourself 😊
I think you should always put yourself first, so if there's no benefit to you of working extra hours or taking up extra work, then you shouldn't do it. But, if there is a benefit to you of doing it e.g. gaining extra income, or experience that will be valuable to you, then it's ok. Sometimes I find I just need to work extra hours to catch back up on work when it's piling up as well. But ultimately there really needs to be something to gain from working extra hours or taking up extra projects, rather than just overworking for the sake of it.
Completely agree! If there’s gain for you (extra income, increased visibility, less stress for another day/week) it’s ok or even good to work that bit extra. The problem I find is when there’s an expectation to do so at a “dead end” job.
@@FinanceDee if it's a dead end job then I would just do the minimum required whilst looking for a better job in my free time, but I know that's easier said than done!
I don't know why but this concept has me cracking up laughing! Maybe I'm just laughing at my own life of overworking?! 😂
🤣🤣 it is quite humorous tbh! Especially because just doing your job is being seen as something revolutionary
@@FinanceDee One of my English teachers in secondary school used to tell us "it's not my job" when being asked to go above and beyond... and we would just sit there unnerved and awkward like, "Riiiight... Soooo, what do we do now?!" 😂 it's such a powerful phrase because, really, what can anyone SAY in response?! 😅
Quiet Quitting comes from discontent - Pay, Flexibility, Progression or Recognition
Agreed! There is always something (in my opinion) that triggers someone to want to even do this.
Perhaps one of the unforeseen outcomes of Covid. Perhaps people have realised the work life balance phrase needs flesh on its bones to be meaningful.
Additionally there is a convergence of events and circumstances that is prompting people to reevaluate their lives and those they hold dear.
I can hear the existential tech tonic plates creaking.
🤣🤣 existential tectonic plates!!
I agree it’s not enough now to say “we believe in work life balance”. It needs to be put into action and employees need to feel that they can exercise it without being penalised for it.