Can You Use A Micro Wind Turbine With A Solar Grid Tie Inverter?
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- Опубліковано 11 січ 2020
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I asked this question before really investing in any of this and got a LOT of two answers: "Sure" and "No."...with lots and lots of "No". Well, I did it anyway...
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Grid Tie Inverter:
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Meters:
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Rectifiers:
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I am glad that you asked around, I am also glad that you did it anyway
Thanks for posting this! Definitely took a lot more information from this video then the DIY systems I’ve seen in the past.
Lol, you had me sub'd in the first 40 seconds!
Love the attitude ... 'I was gonna do it anyway', PERFECT!
I am one of those unfortunate people who tend to ask for advice after they've already decided what they're going to do haha. I usually make a plan and see if anyone can talk me out of it. Thanks for the sub! Hoping to get the channel monetized and every hit counts!
And I dig your channel! We've got three acres around us that we're hoping to actually get some small scale farm stuff going on this year. We'll definitely go through your stuff for ideas and inspiration!
Sounds like me in the garden, keep pluggin' away at it and your channel will get there. Takes some time these days but I suspect you'll get there before too long!
I like your setup. I just bought two 5 blade 1500w each Freedom Missouri Wind and Power turbines that I am going to try to tie into the grid. I already have a 10kw solar system, but these cloudy, rainy, and short days of late fall are killing me. That is the reason I want 24 hr wattage coming in to supplement my solar panel system. It will be the first time for me working with turbines, so your set up looks like something I want to use because I do not want to buy an expensive inverter. So initially, I will buy a cheap1000w tie grid inverter and see how that works out. It's a good thing you mentioned that without the battery setup your turbine goes nuts so I will find two 12v batteries to connect in series for my 24-volt system turbine system. Great video, thank you. Apparently, by looking at your set up, I can parallel the two 24v outputs of both of the rectifiers going to the batteries and inverter. Is that a correct statement, or do I have to have a separate inverter for each of my two turbines?
Do you like the performance of the wind turbine?
thank you very good explanation, I got all excited cause I want to add some batteries to my solar grid tie inverter exactly precisely like that one, so I appreciate the lesson how and why you use batteries there
I also tried the super-capacitors trick. (These things are used in car audio systems on the 12v line in the back of the car, to supply the extra amps every time there is a bass/drum beat.) Capacitors sure do smooth out the incoming voltage but the moment the inverter trips out, all hell breaks loose because I never had a dump load wired in. My turbine sped up like a jet turbine, lost a blade and BOOM! I picked up pieces in my neighbours yard. I have ordered another turbine and will try again, but this time with a wind controller to keep the rpm down. The trick with this whole setup, is to keep the inverter happy and not to trip out.
So can you use a wind turbine + wind controller with a solar micro inverter to get a on grid array?
Awesome. Thank you for being straightforward and informative. Sub'd!
Thank you for watching! I'm working on an updated board right now and am hoping to have that up and running this evening or tomorrow.
@@ToysforWatts - Aw, cool! Looking forward to seeing. My approach is similar to yours - as simple as possible, but without doing anything stupid or possibly so. I'm thinking just turbine, rectifier, meter, grid tie. If I may ask, what is the green thing on the left for? I think I kind of missed it.
Thanks mr, buena información 😯 también construyó mi propia planta de producción de electricidad y su enseñanza me da confianza
Great video! I am just wondering about one thing. Does the output voltage from the inverter adjust to that of the grid? As far as I understand if the output voltage of the inverter is lower than that of the grid then no current will flow, so it either needs to be set to the maximum possible or adjust. Does the inverter do this automatically?
Thanks for the video.
did you think about hooking up an on grid inverter to the solar panels inverter instead of the grid?
h gave question what electric appliances can be supplied with your wind turbine like refrigerator ,lamps microwave etc
How do you stop the inverter, when batteries are drained to a critical voltage ?
Is this plugged from the inverter into a normal outlet socket ?
Hello (Toys for Watts) , I love your electric board, do you have the electric schematic drawing connection that you can share?
I was told that those inverters burnout if you run them at full power manufacturer says the best voltage is 24 volt batteries that's what I was going to hook up but I was told that if you put that much voltage it Burns Out I don't know I haven't hooked it up yet but I'm in the process of it
Can you connect a wind turbine to a Grid Tie/ Off Grid solar inverter through a rectifier?
Having problems with too high a dc voltage going to the grid tie inverter? Have you tried using a step down ac transformer before the rectifier?
It's crossed my mind, along with resistors and a few other tricks but they all burn power to do the job. Right now I'm working on splitting the system up into a 24v assembly and a 48v assembly. Then the 48v bank I'll run one inverter all each side of the bank (only pulling 24v...which is not a great idea but theoretically should work). I've posted a few updates on the board recently. I'm about to have to go through and redesign it again, but this is close to the current configuration: ua-cam.com/video/2eABx0EluJ0/v-deo.html
Very nice setup
You must an idiot if you think this is a nice setup, do the world a favor and take up gardening or sewing.
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Love watching your clips, am waiting for an-offgrid setup with micro inverters if that's doable.
I'm hoping to have a go at cutting my shop off this year!
You'd need an SMA sunny island type of master inverter, then also you could add the micro inverters which would back feed the AC into the sunny island or equivalent.
Hi sir.. want to ask
So turbin have 3poles, you convert to DC then from DC you delivered to battery and solar tie grid right?
Yes, correct
Hay what would 30kw 380v AC be converted to DC ?
I have a similar setup I'm playing with. A single turbine and a small 25W solar panel. I also have the exact power meter I see in your video. Do you have any issues with the meter flashing overload? Anything over 8 watts and it jumps to 9999 and flashes overload.
If you're referring to the AC wattage meter they're only read one direction and, by default, it'd be consumption. You actually have to open it up and switch the leads around on the inside to read how much power you're sending back to the grid.
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Would you explain what an unload suitable is, please? What l'm talking about is the green thing in your left corner of your wind Project
Hi! That green thing is a dump load resistor. A suitable resistor is going to vary depending on the operating voltage of your turbine. What equipment are you working with?
have you tried a micro inverter 400 watt and up i have 4 on my solar panels which are on eco worthy trackers one has 4 - 200 -watt panels and 1 has 2-200-watt panels each tracker has 1200 watt's when all are connected it can plug directly into grid 20-amp braker.
so I was wondering about your battery bank, Are the AMp hours different in them? I have some Walmart batteries I have not connected because I told you shouldn't connect different amp hours batteries. but if it works for you I will try it as well.
No you really need to use all like-rated batteries! I need to make a video just for that. My poor little batteries aren't for storage and have been beat up so much that all they are anymore are resistors to help keep the turbines under control. If you have different amp hour ratings you're going to tank the lowest rated batteries really fast and then the higher amp hour batteries will be damaged from having to charge the lower batteries AND run your standard load. You want your battery banks to be as balanced as possible.
is your turbines 12v or 24v?
So, are you using and selling to the grid?
This is such a simple idea that it has probably already been tried. Would it be possible to connect 2 inverters to cut the voltage in half? Would that help at all? Another idea, isn't there an off the shelf voltage limiter that could easily be added before the inverter and do a better job absorbing voltage spikes than the batteries?
Unfortunately the inverters are polarized and cannot be run in series. If you look at some of my later (particularly some of my latest) videos you'll see how I dealt with the voltage situation. It all works much better now.
I think you are very smart for doing this except for one thing. Why did you mount your system on a piece of wood that's not fireproof even if it is isolated?
How much wind can the short/ stop hold back before the turbine is forced to spin? I have the i-1500 btw
If the turbine is already stopped then we're talking 75+ miles per hour to make it move when shorted out. Shorting it out would not a great idea if it's already fully spooled up and the wind is pushing in the 50's or higher. I've shorted my i1500 out a few times in 20~40 mile per hour winds and it struggles to stop, but does stop.
@@ToysforWatts sooo helpful thanks .. I should be getting my video up soon I'm in the final stages of standing it up
Hows the system. Im going to do the same setup. Is it still operating well?
couple things to keep in mind is that these kinds of inverters are not super highly thought of...they're not UL approved and if your house burns down you'll probably lose your insurance money (if applicable) if it's even suggested they caused the fire...that kind of thing. Second, ehh it works as a kind of dump load but they're not very efficient and I blow one up about once every three months.
If you can get a better inverter you are absolutely better off going that route.
So you are rectifying the 3 phase A/C off the turbines to DC and buffering it with half dead batteries tying into the input of the GTI. What if you used an MPPT solar charger for the input off of the rectifiers, ditch the batteries and send the Solar charger output (Battery terminals) to the GTI? Would that deliver a more consistent DC to the GTI?
I've tried a couple different iterations, including a few attempts without using batteries. Without the batteries the voltage spikes way above the inverters high limit and they don't load the turbines up very well. Through my different experiments I've found the best way to go about is from the perspective that the turbines charge batteries and batteries run inverters.
If you were going to use capacitors youd need back flow diodes for the turbine
What is the green item on the left side of your setup?
It's a dump load resistor. It was set up inline with the incoming feed on the 500 watt turbine because it was believed that, just maybe, the reason it wasn't reaching charging voltage was because it needed a higher resistance on the load end. It basically simulates having another battery in the mix. It did not work.
@@ToysforWatts www.aliexpress.com/item/4001033698513.html?spm=2114.12010612.8148356.50.619b4e0b4QOauo we also have this kind of controller with dump load
Im intressted in buying an insta breeze 1500.. How does it work so far?
I'm pretty pleased with it overall. It has some quirks that must be overcome, but it has been the best watt per dollar producer I've put up. It has been a pretty solid 2kwhr/day producer over the last week and we have not really had a great deal of wind.
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well. this could be done without battery. if you use simple controller restricting voltage for inverter( in your situation probably all this turbines capable of 40VDC under load- I had similar ones in offer) make controller which cuts inverter input off below 30VDC and turns resistive load on after 45VDC.
the ac wire out of your inverter is coilec up and might get hot under high load,and burn your house down, would advise you to change that. COuld also very well be the reson the iverter could not get a sync, the coil acts like a spring. Thanks for you video`s, i like them.
Thanks for the warning. I keep a pretty constant eye on temperatures, though, and even when these inverters are kicking out 1000w they're only moving 3~ish amps. The rectifiers can get VERY hot but the inverters and power cables stay just slightly higher than ambient temperatures.
What about LiFePO4 batteries?
I don’t see a charge controller. So the battery bank is your regulator?
Yes especially back when I started I just relied on the load and batteries to keep things under control. It worked okay with a small system.
Can You I use a Micro Wind Turbine With A Solar Grid Tie Inverter without baterie? In a direct connection between 3 phase rectifer and the grid tie microinverter? Thank you
You "can"...and I really want to stress the emphasis on the "can". Batteries help keep the voltage under control. If you have a turbine that peaks outside of the maximum input voltage of the inverter, anytime the wind is strong enough to hit that peak the inverter lets go and the turbine will over-spin. If you want to run direct from the rectifier to an inverter you need to get an inverter that has a maximum input voltage higher than the turbine can produce, or you will need to use a dump load controller to brake the turbine any time that maximum voltage is surpassed.
For example, my inverters all peak at 55vdc, but my 700w turbine will produce close to 65vdc in a strong wind. Direct connecting the turbine to the inverter is okay in steady wind, but if a gust pushes my voltage above 55vdc the inverter stops loading the turbine. It spins up very fast and doesn't come down until the wind stops. To prevent this from happening is the only reason I have batteries in place.
@@ToysforWatts I appreciate your reply and that what I previous think. But I havent get success (in the same range voltage) to connect the APSystem microinverter.
Maybe some capacitors to regulate the high voltage would help inverter to stay on.
Capacitors have come up a few times in conversations, as well as just running resistors and sacrificing some heat to keep the turbines under control, but so far my attempts at either have been failures...with capacitors they were expensive failures to boot. I hate the batteries because I'm literally only breaking the poor things, but so far it's been the most economical and simplest way of keeping it under control.
please explain, from the wind turbine to the battery and you are parallel with the grid tie inverter. the question, 1. is the battery to save power. 2. whether the battery as a voltage stabilizer only. ?
The batteries are for voltage regulation only. Just something to add resistance to the feed so that the inverters don't go crazy. This is not a good way to go if you're trying to store the electricity.
@@ToysforWatts Can it still save power for later use? Does the system have you connected to an outside network? thankyou
My system does not store power. It is a total loss setup. My batteries are low capacity and there are only a few of them. If they were larger batteries and were not on a live connection to the grid via the inverters they would store some power, but not a lot.
I'm adding a grid tie inverter to my off-grid system. I have 1kw of solar and 2x small turbines all going to a battery bank. The inverter will run from a voltage sensing relay (on at 27.4v, off at 25.6v)
Ahh charging the batteries when they need it but when they are fully charged flip it over to the grid. Nice
I had the understanding you couldn't hook up batteries to those inverters as they would over amp and blow it straight out?
The inverters don't care what the voltage comes from, the trick is staying under their voltage limit. The inverters I prefer cap out at 45vdc, if you try to run them at 45v, though, they overheat. You can NOT exceed their operational voltage. Almost every one of these inverters I've seen people blow up, they blew up because they ran too high a voltage to them. Every one I have blown up has been because my sytem failed and hit them with much higher voltage than their rating. My system only supplies tehm with 24~30vdc.
@@ToysforWatts so with good battery hooked up, does the inverter just supply its Max watt rating till the battery's go flat? I have 4 power jack to repair that I never ovevolted, they just seem extremely fragile. Do the batterys, even if bad regulate the input voltage to the inverter? As it looks like you have a shared line on batterys, rectifiers and inverter.
I remember one day buying a grid tie inverter (sun 300). I started to build a 3k system and then they upgraded my meter to a smart one and I stopped my journey.
@George Knowles I wish I would of done that. Thanks
Why did it stop your journey? Can't you do it with smart meter?
@@evergladescreations9641 I lived at my mothers house at that time and they had just upgraded meters. I do have another 2.5kw system for an off grid build. The other reason was we had low rates so ROI was not worth it. My current rate is under 8 cents after all fees. I use around 2000kw so let's say monthly $160 in power. Let me run some numbers 3kw system x 6hrs x 365 = $525 in perfect conditions. I think the inverters were around $100 for 600watt units back then, so on inverters it was around $800 because I would run them around 400 watts each. The inverters would fail quickly making my ROI longer. Today we have better choices.
@George Knowles we didn’t have a choice in MI
@@cutweldngrind x as mart meters in MI made everyone’s bill go up using the same amount of power.
Dear sir, 4200w China wind turbine how to make the break controller if high wind .
You need an appropriate load diverter...something that will disconnect the batteries from the turbine when voltage gets too high (wind is too high). Water heater elements or even just a large string of incandescent bulbs, anything that can suck up that high wattage in the event of an over-voltage situation
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What voltage are you using from the batteries? Are they all hooked up in parallel? I have been looking at a similar setup but the turbine I want to use only has two wires coming out of it, not three and it feeds straight into a rectifier/regulator. I have all the gear to do the setup, just never got around to it. What you have done is just what I was looking at doing, but wasnt sure if the batteries were needed. You explained it well.
Forgot to mention my GTI is a 12V rated one.
My batteries are hooked up three in series, two series in parallel. It's arranged for 36v. You will need batteries to regulate your voltage. If your turbine only has two leads it's very likely already rectified and putting out DC voltage. Do you have a link to where you purchased it?
@@ToysforWatts No I picked it up used, and have no info at all about it. It was mounted on a camper trailer, so I got all the wiring and regulator with it. The GTI I have is rated up to 18v at 1000w. I wasnt sure about having a battery in the mix but it seems like its the way to go. I always thought that the GTI would try and pull as much as it could out of the input, so was warey about putting a battery in the mix. I have a big deep cycle 12v battery. The regulator has 12v input, battery, and output connections. Been years since I have tinkered with this. Had a few GTI's that blew and I had to repair them. Have had them all ready to go, just no motivation to experiment. After seeing your setup it looks just right. There will always be naysayers, but if it works, it works. Everything I have seen about wind turbines has three wires, so you may be right about it being rectified already. The regulators for solar panels have the same setup, just this one is an oldy. It is working, just no way to measure the power at the moment. Waiting on a meter to arrive, similar to what you are using. Good old China post! I will let u know how it goes. Cheers
Before hooking anything up and having a go at it I suggest hitting up the fieldlines forum with some pictures of what you got. Those guys will be able to give you some good info on how you should go about it. I'm willing to take risks with my stuff because I don't rely on it and don't have much invested in it...it's not the best way to go if you need it to do work for you :)
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I have been watching several people and I can't really understand why there is a need for a resistor? When fully charged the battery won't take any more current...so the wind turbine can be spinning like crazy but so long that the output of the rectifiers is around 13.5-14VDC then the current flowing to the batteries should be zero. Why the green resistor?
In my situation the resistor was an attempt to get the 500w turbine to spool up a little faster. Adding a 1ohm resistor between the rectifier and the battery will simulate having another 12v battery in the mix. My system runs at 36v which I believed to be a little low for that particular turbine (turned out in the end that there was nothing that could help that turbine). Generally you'll see these resistors used as dump loads...most people will run a relay that will switch the turbine over to the resistor to add a load once the batteries are topped off. Wind turbines don't produce a steady, even voltage. all of mine, for example, will run 60+ volts after the rectifier. yes in the right wind your turbines will only produce 13v but what about when it gets really breezy? The resistors and relays keep turbines from burning up and batteries from being damaged.
The voltage output from the rectifiers will vary greatly. Much higher than 14 volts
why dont you try using a step down load changer
You did go. Don't listen to others they don't know much go man.
Great
Sorry but I don’t think you’re right. Might be I’m wrong, but with what you have here first charge your batteries with a bridge rectifier. Have a dump load to waste overload. Use your invertor to use normal electricity, preferably before dumping electricity in the overload.
Please share wiring diagram electical sir?
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I just want to comment on a single thing i noticed, you have coiled up your AC out cable into a tight little coil. you will lose power with that coil there. shorten the cable into a straight short cable.
I've actually updated this board quite a bit since this video and now all the cables are routed loosely "behind the scenes". I've replaced them with shorter cables when possible, and I know cable length will yield some loss, but when we're dealing with such small percentages of such small outputs it's not the worry. I'm having to expand this assembly yet again and I'll do what I can to make the bigger ones shorter and more efficient...losing 5% of a 200w turbine's output doesn't hurt as much as losing 5% of a 3000w turbine's output.
I thought you had to have 8gage stranded wires between the wind turbine and rectifier?
Make no mistake, bigger wire will always be better...but when it comes to "what's best" and "what works" you'll get a pretty wide range of variance. If the turbine output overpowers the wire it'll act like a resistor...you'll lose potential, things getting hotter than they need to, etc. If your run is short and/or output is lower you can get away with smaller wire but you'll need to keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn't get too hot. My turbines are small enough and/or the runs are short enough that I can mostly get away with 10 and 12 gauge solid wire.
@@ToysforWatts i may try that, romex is much cheaper than stranded wire.
What kind of turbine are you looking at running and how long of a wire run are you going to have between the source and load?
@@ToysforWatts one of those cheap 400 watt China turbine for 135.00 going to go about 70 feet long.
Its coming in tomorrow from Amazon. Just subbed,
How can directly rectifier charge the battery without charge controller?
That's a great question! The answer is that charge controllers are only good for people who like their batteries :D. Since I'm using grid tie inverters for load my voltage is less of a concern...I just need to keep it between 22 and 50 volts DC. If I were charging batteries I would absolutely have to have a charge controller to prevent over-charging them. My batteries are only in place to help keep voltage smooth and under control.
@@ToysforWatts but voltage more than 13.5 can't affect the battery?
I'm running my batteries in series. In this video they're in a 36 volt configuration. My inverters were running the bank down to 22v and the turbines were running them as high as 60v. It was absolutely damaging my batteries. If you're storing energy and want your batteries to last a long time you must have a charge controller.
@@ToysforWatts thx it really helped me lot
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Just check it out I'm trying to build my own windturbine coz I don't have much budget
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lograste conetar el generador eolico con un inversor de solar?
Write on your board so you don't have to keep telling people, thanks for the videos
I plan on changing turbines around so writing on the board itself wasn't a good option but it has occurred to me to maybe glue some velcro to it with removable name tags! It'd also let me be dramatic with the failed turbines...I could post a video throwing their name tags away!
Hey and thanks for watching! I hope to get this channel monetized at some point, which will let me do some bigger and more interesting stuff...every watch and subscription helps!
You can just replace your Grid Tie Inverter with GTI for turbine from Aliexpress, I have three of them.
sure but they cost three times as much and you can only have one turbine on each. I also have a three phase input inverter, though, and so far I have not been impressed with it.
What do you think of using a small bank of supercapacitors instead of batteries. when charging, they will pull the voltage down. The grid tie inverter sensing a low voltage wont turn on untill the capacitor bank is charged to a certain voltage, and will progressively dump more power into the grid the higher the voltage on the bank.
The capacitors dont care about low voltage but dont like being charged over a certain voltage. Connected in serries their voltages add. You'd need to ensure that the grid tie inverter output is capable of more watts than the input from output of three generators to ensure that the grid tie inverter wont let caps over charge.
And in the event grid power to your home is shutdown, your load dump resistor needs to take over.
One last concern is capacitor balancing. That can easily be achieved with passive, or slightly more chalenging active balancing.
It's honestly something I've never heard of doing. My immediate concern would be voltage regulation on the output side of the capacitors. Do you have a link to a capacitor you would consider worth looking into? I'll try and source some material on using capacitors instead of batteries.
@@ToysforWatts You dont need voltage regulation per say, that is holding the voltage close to certain voltage. Rather, you just need to keep the voltage below your grid tie inverters max input voltage, and just as important have the combined capacitor bank voltage rating higher than your max expected voltage.
To prevent prevent the voltage from ever exceeding your maximum rated voltage you can use zeiner diodes to drain excess power preventing overcharging the capacitors.
Solar grid tie inverters are designed to work over a range of voltages so you dont need to hold the voltage to a specific value. The higher volts they see, the more current they will pull bringing the capacitor banks, voltage down. It will self regulate assuming the grid tie inverter is rated to output more power than what your three generators can collectively produce.
I'll get back with several circuit simulations for passive capacitor balancing and over voltage load dumping. But I'd like to know what is the max input voltage for your grid tie inverter?
@@kreynolds1123 That's the trick...the maximum voltage from these turbines can exceed 60v, but my grid tie cuts out at 45v. I might has a hard time finding capacitors that would work in that scope because sometimes they'll be hit with very small amounts of power and other times they'll be hit with a lot of current. Which, really, it may not be that big of an issue...my knowledge of capacitors is pretty much limited to the literal and mechanical "how they work". Capabilities and what you can do with them is in the realm of mystery for me.
If I use diodes to bleed off excess power I feel I might be expelling more power than I'm delivering to the inverter. I am all ears, though :)
@@ToysforWatts "Can exceed 60v" is that 60vAC line to line, or 60vDC after rectification? What voltage is your battery bank? it will help me better simulate this in a circuit that i can share
If they're free wheeling both the 700 and 500 turbines will hit 60~61dc. My current battery bank is arranged in a 36v configuration.
The most questionable things that I'm trying to find out is How to *Combine* both Solar Panels and Turbines to input a same Grid Tie Inverter, since Grid Tie Inverters always have built in controllers meant for either one. As we know there are hybrid controllers in the market that can combine both, but they can't input the built in controller of a GTI. Please anybody teach me how.. I need to produce more power day and night to optimize the GTI Investment.
You will need to run a hybrid charge controller to accept both inputs, then batteries for voltage regulation, then to your inverter.
@@ToysforWatts Thanks for the reply.. Okay, so we don't use the built in PV/Turbine input? But the controller would stop charging the batteries when they are full, it means there won't be any power supply into the GTI to use directly for home Grid. You know on hybrid GTI if we use the build in input and when the batteries are full the power would be switched directly to supply GTI output. Batteries are only standby for electricity failures, that's we don't need many batteries and save costs.
If you have a hybrid controller you connect the panels and turbines as the manufacturer suggests. The output of the controller will then go to your batteries.
If you build a system like I have shown in this video it is total loss...everything goes to the inverter, the batteries are only there for voltage regulation.
If your system is power your home or appliances and you're simply looking to sell the excess back to the grid, then you would simply run the grid tie inverter connected to your dump load. Once your batteries are full, instead the system dumping the excess power to resistors, it will send it to the grid tie inverter.
@@ToysforWatts First, Yes I'm looking into selling the excess power back to grid so I have to maximize the power using PV and Turbines for day and night power production. Second, I would need the smart Grid Tie Inverter that can accomodate 3 power sources (PV, Turbines & Battery back up) in one GTI. My only problem is that I couldn't find such GTI on the market for PV & Turbines all together with battery support. So I'm looking for information of how to combine them without any problems. Your suggestion of using Dump loader I think won't work with PV, because the Dump loader as far as I know is meant for limitting the over charging of a turbine due to instable voltage when a turbine is rotating too fast. So Now we have in the market as follows:
1. GTI with battery (With UPS function, with built in either Solar or Turbine input only.
2. Hybrid Charge Controller with Dump Loader (For the turbine instability voltage only) to combine both PV & Turbine power.
Then, of course I can't input the hybrid Charge Controller into the GTI input. I can't connect the controller ouput to the battery either, because the battery input would only work when electricity is down on the grid otherwise it doesn't input the hybrid GTI (UPS function). So?? I'm confused with this problem.
@@ToysforWatts I have no problem with Off Grid system in combining both because I can input all together with the Off Grid Inverters.
You need deep cycle battery's
If I were storing the power then absolutely. However, the batteries are only there for regulation and they get trashed by the inverters. It's cheaper and a little more efficient than using resistors to keep the wind turbines under control. If you're going to run a wind turbine with an inexpensive inverter you have to have a battery or something in line to keep some kind of constant load on the system or the turbines will free-wheel any time the voltage spikes.
I am Still amazed. No One uses a battery disconnect Switch..
I don't know about your area. By my own. When it's not sunny. It is windy. So cost over time. The wind mills have paid for themselves and the solar panels. When one isn't producing. The other one is.
Instead of using batteries try using a bank of large Capacitors.
It's something that has been suggested numerous times but not a thing I have seen used successfully and the kind of capacitors that would be needed are pretty pricey. It's something I want to try at some point but due to the expense it's a little down the list of projects.
You used solid wire for DC. That is a no no
Sees bare connections placed willy nilly, non-ul approved equipment, electrical lugs bolted to wood...yells "you can't use solid wire with DC!"
lol I assure you that DC has existed longer than stranded wire has.
Soy principiante aficionado de Tijuana BC México ☺ ,en este mes de julio el gobierno federal decreto la reconcideracion de el uso de la energía eólica y solar con el fin de quitarlas de la interconexión para que sigamos dependiendo del suministro federal, wow apenas boy iniciando
just to let you know why you only have 16KViews is because you have over 13 minutes of adds for a 10 minutes video
Don't know what to tell you...this video was made prior to being monetized and was never set up for ads so it got hit with UA-cam's default scheme, but there's only two mid-role ad breaks (I just checked) plus pre/post ads. Ads longer than 30 seconds should be skipable by default, but I don't pick the ads. They're based on your own search history if you have personalized ads activated, or popular search/view hits in your area if you don't have personalized ads on. There's also an updated version of the video :)
@@ToysforWatts ask a friend to watch it and tell you how many and how long the adds are
3 x ac convert to 1x dc
I read the introduction, i was looking into a bunch of different sciences a couple of years ago. It led me to quantum physics and free energy, when i found out how particle entanglement works and that the us has a patent on faster than light travel ship and warp drive engine i got a lot of people telling me i was crazy and there was no such thing.
I came across Gerard morins work with the edrive motor, the keshe foundations magrav work, and was turned on to Lt colonel Thomas Beardens work. The same people who said i was crazy had big channels with 100,000s of subscribers. They all said at the time you couldn't run a 5,000 btu window ac on solar and batteries then, now just about all of them have done videos doing it.
Stick to your guns, where there's a will there's a way. There are two or three others starting to tie solar and wind together, they are slowly figuring it out. Im going to sub and check out your work, i like anyone who doesn't take no for an answer lol. If you haven't seen any of Gerard Morins work check out his channel, his work is enlightening to say the least. Since energy should be free and you seem to have a better than basic understanding it may give you some ideas. Good luck and God bless!
Your giving some missinformation here your setup only works because of the batteries otherwise the voltage wold be to hight for the grid tie inerter.
In the USA this Grid-Tie Inverter setup *violates* the National Electrical Code ...
No, it's really not. To be legal everything has to be hardwired and have lockable disconnects. If I ever get a point of permanency my system will be setup as such. As it currently is the entire shop is on an isolated single run lockable disconnect. Still not great, but lockable, isolated, and easily shut down remotely.
@@ToysforWatts You claim, "No, it's not really". Well, read your own reply ... "To be legal it must be hardwired." So, Is it hardwired"? No, it is not. Your setup really does *VIOLATE* the National Electric Code. Nothing in your reply, changes the fact that your system *VIOLATES* the National Electric Code. And your GTI is *NOT* even UL approved. Pull a permit and have your system *INSPECTED* by your local AHJ. Then you will learn all that you need to know, to install it per the National Electric Code.
And never go beyond 55 mph either
@@johnq8792 It's more like ... don't run red lights! It appears you do *NOT* care about the safety of your family.
@@MrSummitville
He is a MORON, what you expect.
So, how many *YEARS* will it take to generate $800+ worth of electricity to break-even on this expense? Never?
The return of investment will be pretty extreme on most of the turbines available out there, depending on how much you're charged for kilowatt hour.
Here I am charged $.10/kwh...so it's really extreme. A few years ago I was being charged close to $.25/kwh so it was a little easier to recoup...but here, using my 700 watt turbine as an example with how much it has averaged per day over the course of two weeks, will generate about $12 a month worth of electricity. This makes the ROI on just that specific turbine 25 months. Then there's the "500" watt turbine (middle meter on the board)...that one was $115, and judging by how much it's produced over the last month it will generate about $.30 of electricity per month...so "only" 383 months to get my money's back there.
So, no, if you're idea is to "make money" off this stuff...it's the wrong way to go for a fast return. The 700 watt turbines are about the best bang for the buck on eBay in terms of performance and even they will have a fairly long ROI.
Trying to do a green setup is not a great way to make money...or even save money...and the way I'm going about it is about least efficient way to try and go "green". Remember, this is a hobby for me, not a lifestyle change.
@@ToysforWatts I did not ask about "making money" ... I asked about "Breaking-Even". You have $800, maybe more, invested so far. With more expenses to come. You must live in a extremely windy area to make $12.00 per month. Most people ( ~ 99% ) do not. You are claiming that your 700 Watt Wind Turbine will generate on average 4,000 Watt-Hours per day, every day x 365 days per year? So, you have 25 mile winds, for 6 hours, ( or equiv ) every day of the year? Who has that? That seems really, really, really high ...