American Reacts to the Healthcare System in Norway
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
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Most Americans agree that the healthcare system here is pretty terrible. Oftentimes the healthcare found in Europe and in particular Norway are brought up as shining examples of how to do Healthcare properly. That is exactly why I am very interested today in reacting and learning all about the Norwegian healthcare system, compared to the American system. If you enjoyed the video feel free to leave a comment, like, or subscribe for more!
I used to work as a cab driver in Norway. One time, I drove an american couple from the hospital to the hotel they were staying at. The lady had broken her leg skiing, so she was admitted for a day. The hotel was approximately 70 kilometeres from the hospital. So the trip took about 2 hours, with breaks. When we arrived at the hotel, the husband took up his card, and was ready to pay roughly 4500 kroners. and then I said, no no, this bill is covered by the health care system.. they was so shocked.. and insisted on giving me a tip. and yet again I said, no no, it was my pleasure..
Last month, I was brought about 6 blocks from my doctor's office to the hospital in Norway, and now there is 'copay' of 159NOK.
@@TheAccidentalViking Yeah, Everybodys 'copay' is that until they meet the max amount of 3.000NOK outside of a hospital.
@@glenney8833 Yes, I recently met up with the max amount.
That's strange, because Americans aren't covered in Norway. This would normally be covered by travel insurance.
(EU residents would be covered as well, as Norwegians are covered in the EU)
@@trondeg74 Insurance. Then you are covered.
The sad reality of the American system is that profit is held above the lives of Americans.
Yup. The nr 1 priority first reponders have to check for isnt vital signs, its if they have insurance or not. Its insane.. Our workers here in norway where shocked when they learned this.
Ofc the speaker that said it, is that the first responders doesnt always follow this..cause you know..they are human. But far to often they have to take choices that are fucked up
As long as politicians have shares in companies related to the health care industry, nothing will change
@@mariaholm8286 You would be surprised to know how it is in Norway in that regards too.. Spouses, cousins, in-laws, ex's etc of politicians own shares in plenty of companies related to the health care industry and im surprised the media havent caught up to it yet and made something about it.. Just recently i found a company that had increased revenue with 5000% during corona, and the holding companies of those companies now have several hundred millions in the bank..Just waiting a few years before they going to take it all out or probably they will just reinvest it so noone will notice it. So yhe..Norway aint better on that front..
@@Knasern compare that to the lobbyism in United States where the companies own the politicians, then Norway seems like paradise when it comes to corruption and stuff. No country can be perfect
@@Zirion123 Its like that in most countries., even in Norway. There wouldnt be politicians if it werent for private funding, and what does that private funding want back whenever a certain person gets in controll? Theyre investment back in tenfolds. Norway is just smaller, and its people are still naive, AND we have too much money to even care. Thats the real problem in Norway now and going forward.. They keep us on the edge, where we can still what we want, but at the same time.. Keep us in check.
Summer 21 I was in hospital for 80 days. Close to death a couple of times. Sepsis, and multi organfailure, lots of tubes in and out of my body, dialyse, x-rays, mri, cp, several surgeries. Didnt go bankrupt 😄
I gladly pay my taxes to ensure if anybody else need the same treat. 💕
Its like "go fund me", but for the entire country. 😉
Hope you're doing better now! :)
@@kimmernctan I do, I really do 🥰 fully recovered 👍
“Everyone calls Norway super expensive - everything is so expensive - yet the things that matters the most, that you need - like healthcare are very affordable and Norway make sure that everyone has access to it”. A good reminder to Norwegians as me as well. We are lucky - when shit the fan - we will be taken care of - no matter the cost.
So massively disagree!
@@ordemeprogresso727 Why?
@@ordemeprogresso727I disagree with you, explain please?
I had a heart attack in February this year. All in all: One shorter and two 100 miles long ambulance rides, three nights in two different hospital, one heart surgery and all the care, medications and food anyone could ever want. The whole thing cost me a whopping $22 out of pocket. Medical bankruptcy is not a thing here. It's an inconceivable concept.
It's good to see you got through that, Kari.
I have the same experience with hospitals here, as I've spent wuite some time there the last 5 years. Everyone bent over backwards to fulfill my very specific needs, and always spent the time needed to figure out what would be the best way to solve my issues. Helpful and skilled professionals all the way through every stay there. And as you, I paid pocket change when I left.
You only needed 3 nights? My first stint in the cardio section was 5 days. (mon-fre) After my follow up appointment I was booked in for a procedure and I was going to be kept in overnight as a precaution, but they came in the next day to say I will probably have to stay another 3 days. (igen, mon-fre) They are so thorough and they know I have a bit of a 'doctor-avoidance' problem, and no one at home to look after me, which is what got me into this mess, probably, so they want to make sure all my meds are balanced.
So how much do you pay in Taxes each year income tax, sales tax, sugar tax, luxury tax and the rest of the taxes? I would rather have a much cheaper insurance each year.
@@jtkfox4717 Luxury tax? lolz. Any sales tax is the fairest tax of all. You consume, you pay. Like I explained, I compared with friends in the US. They pay more and are still denied coverage for certain things. My niece (lived in Arizona) nearly lost her last child when she went into early labour. The doctor gave her a drug to stop the contractions. She got billed for the entire amount. Her insurance company explained that had she had the baby prematurely, (and almost surely have died or at least had lifelong health complications) THAT would have been covered. Instead they gave her a bill she couldn't pay and it ruined her credit rating. You mean THAT is the system you prefer? Nope. Our sales tax might be higher, but we STILL have a healthier, happier, safer, better educated country than the US could ever dream of being.
@@TheAccidentalViking Sales tax is not god if you earn little, very good if you earn a lot. If you buy food for 10 000 each year and you make 50 000 you pay 2500 in tax, if you make 500 000 you still pay the same amount of tax. it is much better to have it on income tax not sales tax. It's not a free health care, you pay insanely amount of tax. if you make 50 000 you pay 18 000 in tax and on top of that 25% sales tax and tax on car is insane it is almost 300% more than US. You have so many different taxes that 1 Kg beef cost 45 US dollar 1 gallon milk 8 US dollar 12 egg 4,5 Dollar 1 Small bread 4 dollar.
"I don't understand why America doesn't do this."
Well, if you can extort several thousands of dollars from patients, just by having them call an ambulance, why change?
Murrica cares more about money than people, it's that simple.
You're either a teenager or a moron. Duhhh, why doesn't the US do this. Maybe because the conservative estimate is 3 trillion dollars a year and the liberal estimate is 5 trillion per year.. Maybe because we don't have Sweden as neighbors, we have Mexico and Central America.. Maybe because Geriatric Joe allowed open borders and we now have 2 million more illegal immigrants who pop out 6 kids a piece without paying taxes.
The concept that you would compare a country of 5 million with a far more complex country as the US tells me Norwegian school system was wasted on you.
Love how you got this grand welfare state but can't come up with the 2% for your own protection, so you just leave the burden to us. This is EXACTLY why Trump called countries like yours out.
The total yearly cost you have to pay for medical treatment that she mentioned Includes ALL treatments. You can spend 50$ in mental healthcare, 50$ in fysio/kyro etc and when the sum off all your treatments reaches 260$ you get a free-card. wich means the rest of your fysio/kyro/public therapie hours etc is free as long as you have papers from your doctor that you need treatment.
Don’t forget this also includes when you go and buy meds at the pharmacy..
@@coffaytalks, I believe that only blue prescription medication is counted, not regular white prescription.
Even if you dislike Bernie Sanders or not, this system is his main running point. I really rooted for him just for the US healthcare system to change even if you dont like his other views. I visited the US in 2011 and i was shocked to hear just the ambulance ride is hefty amount of $$ , and even worse giving birth can cost anywhere from 10 to 30k $ . Couldnt believe my ears
yeah, but be in Norway have gotten to many program pp get money from NAV - way to many
@@user-tf3je6vi4q That is your subjective opinion. I recommend looking into the reason why the Nordic Model works, and why we have Welfare in Norway before you say there's way too many people getting money from our social services.
I can recommend the video "Why Are The Nordics So Rich?" by History Scope if you want a general overview.
@@Jo-Heike Jeg vet hvorfor , vis du går på NAV sine sider og se over hvor mange grupper som i dag kan få penger fra Nav, så er det overhode ikke bærekraftig. Det burde vært slik som det var tenkt i utgangspunktet, men de fortsetter og utvider ytelse til alle mulige grupper som mener de har krav på ytelser. I tilegg har vi sosialtrygd som i utpunktet er beregnet på kortsige ytelser og hjelpe folk som kommer i en situasjon hvor de trenger hjelp for en periode - men det har blitt livsopphold for mange mennesker i årevis (mange helt til de går over på alderpensjon) Vi har bostøtte fra husbanken og kommunal bostøtte osv. Ja vi bør fjerne mange av ytelsene fra NAV, selvfølgelig bør vi beholde de viktigste, det det var ment for. Vi bør også få inn egenandel på sykepenger, vi er hvis mye mer syk i Norge enn våre naboland. Siden politikerne våres ikke tør og fjerne noen ordninger/redusere dem - kommer vi til og komme til et punkt hvor vi må - og da er det mange som kommer til og få sjokk. Vi har allerede for få som arbeider i Norge i forhold til hvor mange som går på ulike trygdeordninger (se statistikk på dette )I tillegg lever folk nå mye lenger og mange får alderspensjon i like mange år som de jobbet, mange begynner sent i arbeidslivet osv Vi er blitt et land hvor vi krever, vi har rett på istedenfor hva kan jeg bidra med, hva kan jeg selv gjøre for og bedre min egen situasjon. Folketrygden kom først i 1967 , og vi har allerede sett i flere år at dette ikke kommer til og fungere i fremtiden
It means the dismantling of three major corporate models that currently make, probably trillions, of dollars: For profit hospitals, health insurance corporations and most portions of the pharma industry in the US. They have the money to lobby against Bernie, and do. They don't want the bucket of water splashed on them so they melt, Dorothy.
@@TheAccidentalViking i get that. But you never know when an underdog might rise up
My father has cancer, a couple of different types. He are given a treatment that costs about 7500 USd a month...for free. Yes, we have high taxes, but we get something back when we need it. :)
My personal experoence with the system is excellent.. I have a GPP that coordinates all my health needs and last time I was hospitalized the medical care, the food and the general service was so good that it was hard to say goodbye and I did not pay a penny. However, there are challenges in part of the system due to lack of staff and other resources. This means you have to wait some months for some operations and treatments that are not life threatening.
Let's include the fact, that we (Norwegians)
Have a strange dental care system that has a resonant tone.. Worthy of an American comparison!
Norway covers all of your health other than dental care
After you finish school (pre university) , there will be coverage for vital and necessary interventions, but you'll have to pay.. A lot.
@@mathismathisen1649 That's the Sad truth. Several of the political parties want to include dental and a couple of other things that are excluded from the system.
@@mathismathisen1649 yes but if you look at other countries, dental care is expensive and they dont Get free dental care every year until you are 18 or finish school. The uk is known for their ugly teeth because they dont have free dental care at young age. Having good free dental care until you are 18 should be enough. Take care of your teeth and you dont have to see a dentist 😊
@@mathismathisen1649 ur covered til ur 21
I fainted, managed to fracture my ankle, got up, fainted again, got a fracture on the other side. A lady came by asked me if I was okay and I said yes I was just waiting for the bus (us Norwegians don't want to be a bother to anyone), but she could see that I wasn't okay at all so she called me an ambulance, when it arrived they did some EKG thing on me, checked out my ankle, saw it was super swollen, then they took me to the emergency room, where I got an X-ray that showed two fractures, so they sent me to the hospital where I got painkillers and they sent me home so my leg could lose some of the swelling, and then have me come back the next day (they cover the cab fair back and to the hospital). well at home I slipped and managed to get a third fracture! So I just went right back. This was during covid btw. I got a room of my own, I got lots of painkillers, I mentioned I was vegan and they said that was fine I'd get three vegan meals per day. I had to not eat anything until my surgery of course but the ten days I spent there I got three vegan meals per day after my surgery. I got new painkillers about every three hours. I got several x-rays and I ended up with a plate and nine screws in my ankle. The total I had to pay was under 10 bucks, and that was for some of the stuff at the emergency room.
That's an eventful couple of days... Hope you're doing better. Fractures hurt and the healing process are so unconvinient. I broke my thigh bone right above the knee into a bunch of pieces, and had to stay 8 days at the hospital and 7 days in a rehab center. They always whipped out something vegan for me, and the worst dish was still more than good enough for me. When I first managed to move inte the dining area the chef quickly picked up that I was the vegan and we talked for 20 minutes about my diet and so on. It's always been better than expected at the hospital, both in food and healthcare.
Hope you are doing better and the fractures has grown. What made you faint? I fainted a while ago because of blood loss, but I assume that wasn't the reason at your bus stop.
@@basstrammel1322 well these days they have vegan cheese and lunchmeats and stuff, and vegan soy minced meat, so I got a lot of pasta with soy minced meat tomato sauce, and for breakfast I got vegetables and vegan cheese and jam and stuff or lunch meat that was vegan. It was the morning after I had been drinking and I was on my way home, and for some reason I get super dizzy the day after I've had alcohol, and it was raining outside so I didn't want to sit down on the ground when I felt like fainting because my pants would get wet, and I was leaning against this column half sitting/half leaning. And I felt so faint and I just tried to shake it off. I think my blood pressure dropped because I could only see white light for a while and could only mumble when I talked I sounded drugged, but luckily I started sounding normal and my sight came back, this was when the ambulance people had arrived and tried to get me up on my feet to see if I could stand on it, but nope it was all wobbly. I feel like the ankle has healed pretty well, I have a scar on both sides and you can see three of the screws through my skin because we don't have much fat over the ankle nob. But yeah I had a great time as long as I could lay down with my leg up, when I put it down it felt like my whole leg was on fire, and I was on so many painkillers too, don't know how it'd been without them. I don't want to break a bone again, but I kind of liked the experience, it was kind of fun to experience something I hadn't before. Now your fracture sounds really complicated and painful! My ankle was two years ago, so it's good even though I can't run, if I do I get pain in it.
@@The_Tortoise_and_the_Hare I have to be honest, I kinda had a good time when I broke my leg. 99% sure that was because of the Oxycodin and Oxynorm, though. I've never broken anything serious before, and just as you, it was ok when I kept it up high. Every day at the hospital I was doing something from 07 to 22, and it was way more eventful than my life. Most of the time it was hillarious to talk with the other patients, staff was kind/helpful/professional, and food was the same as you experienced I think. 10/10
None of my screws can been seen through my skin, but I have huuuuge scars, and 5 small scars. 40 stitches in total.
Does this happen the day after every time you go out? Sounds like an awful experience. Was it like, you know, WAY to much to drink, or just a mish-mash of unfortunate circumstances. I can't run either, but I'm sure we'll manage.
I feel funny giving this a thumbs up, but there is reason in there for it, just not the injury part. Did they work out why you fainted? Hope you're feeling better.
@@TheAccidentalViking I had either low red blood cells or low white blood cells. But I do get dizzy a lot. I'm vegan and I don't eat very healthy so that might be why as well. I'm on mood stabilizers for my bipolar disorder and those can make your bone density weaker, so I think I might have that side effect, because how else would my bones fracture so easily. I need to eat healthier, I eat mostly rice and pasta lol, not many vegetables. Sometimes I wonder if I am pre-diabetic, just coz my blood pressure drops so fast sometimes.
One factor is imo the fact that many Americans have a totally different mind set then people in Europe. The whole looking out for each other vs looking out for one self. Many Americans seem to look at paying a tax that MIGHT not benefit themselves to be unthinkable…
That’s called solidarity!
ill take this moment, just to tip my helmet to you sir !
I've got too much to say about how I appreciate your honesty and deepdive into our country, which was mostly regarded as the capitol of Sweden until your generation became aware☮️
I love America cause of the friends from army service, the wonderful varied nature, fill in the blanks.. I'llsay the trip to see Metallica twice at the fillmore in SanFran 2003 did let me see the extreme poverty some endured. But it reinforces my sense of connecting,
and acknowledging what is truly important in life
Being present, & giving a sh+t
Love from Drammen, Nor
10:03 was hilarious :D
As a Dane, our system is pretty comparable, so I knew where she was going with this way earlier. But your reaction to it was just perfect, gave me a great laugh :D thank you!
In Norway we have a single-payer healthcare system where public healthcare services are paid through taxes. The upside is that it's affordable. There is no deductible. The out-of-pocket maximum is 3040 NOK (305 USD). The copay for a standard visit to the primary doctor is 160-332 NOK (16-33 USD). The downside is that there are long waiting times if you need treatment for a condition that is not life-threatening. I had to wait 6 months to see a dermatologist. If you have depression or anxiety, most therapists in the public system have a minimum waiting time of 6 months.
I love Norways security system from birth to death and i am happy to pay my taxes! Every country should have the same system as we do! The only thing you have to pay for is cosmetic surgeries unless it’s because of an accident or birthdefect and that’s also fair! You should come to visit Norway😁
Don't forget about our dental care system! These costs we have to pay ourselves (in most cases), and this can be very expensive!
You do get free plastic surgery in Norway in both cases, birth defect or accident.
@@ninakjrland9397 exactly what i wrote….!!
@@2009Lizza Ups! Sorry, read that wrong.
Let's include the fact, that we (Norwegians)
Have a strange dental care system that has a resonant tone.. Worthy of an American comparison!
Norway covers all of your health other than dental care
After you finish school (pre university) , there will be coverage for vital and necessary interventions, but you'll have to pay.. A lot.
And do not forget optician. Eyesight are also not a part of it
@@kuolseir Reminds me of the history about that boy some years ago. I don't remember his name. Was it Emil ? He could possibly turn blind unless Norway health authroities helped him, however they said no. I don't know what happened in the end
We do get help for some things, like pulling wisdom teeth, stuff like that. You pay much less, some have to go to the hospital to get it done, surgery. I have no idea how much it would have cost but they cover a certain percentage. It should all be covered though.
And if you have a illness that causes either dental issues or you have to take some medicine because of cronic illness that harms your teeths (your doctor just have to write a confirmation) you’ll get it covered.
@@2009Lizza Do pregnant women get free dental care?
It is fun or interesting to follow your face. It makes me so happy to be born in Norway. i wish this was for all, all over the world. This has to make a lot of stress for people that get sick.
Living in Norway.
In the process of getting an ankle prothesis.
Transport to and from the hispital is free, special patient taxi's.
Rehabilitstion free of charge.
Thia us at a special place,includes mwals,treatment with own room,and, free transport to and from.
Insurance seems like a waste.. I just had to file bankruptcy due to medical and now just got another 3k hospital bill because I had to have emergency blood transfusion. I had just cleared up the rest of my remaining debt. Pretty frustrating when I havre no idea I will cover it plus student loan payments coming back. Paying so much monthly premium you would think it would be covered.
Norwegian person here who had cancer in 2016. I needed really complicated surgery on my spine to get rid of it, and my surgeon called in the best expertise from other european countries. There were 4 surgeons operating on me over 7 hours, from germany, romania, israel and norway. Didn't cost me one single NOK, and the surgery itself, with all prepping, extra surgeons, retraining, nurse team, hospital stay and what not, most likely ran expenses into the millions. Pay your taxes and be happy about it. The next time it might be you who need this kind of health care.
Even the word "medical bills" make me cringe. I can't even imagine being bankrupt because I got sick. That doesn't make sense to me.
The government pays for police, military, roads, schools and healthcare. It's just basic services to keep the population safe, healthy and happy.
and fire service :)
Norway has a lot of nationalized companies actually, so it's not just those five. Plus there's also social services, and welfare.
@@Jo-Heike Yes of course :)
taxes pays for it
@@bsrules Yes, the government is funded by taxes like in any other country in the world.
If you search on the internet, you will find that healthcare in Norway is almost the same in both Sweden and Denmark. I think the same in Finland. When we Swedes have paid a maximum of SEK 2,400 for our medicines, the medicines we subsequently have to have are free of charge and when we have paid SEK 1,200 for our doctor's visits, future doctor's visits are free. By the way. Many years ago I had to have heart surgery. For that I paid 100 SEK! Why not move here! I would love to have you as a neighbor... :-)
Yup. That's roughly the same here in Denmark, as you said - but we don't pay to see a doctor though.
That's all pretty much covered as well (unless we're talking therapists and such).
As with many Nordic countries (or most EU countries in general); we pay our taxes, which in turn pays for our various benefits for everyone - healthcare included.
That's the thing most Americans apparently don't really want or understand - it's always the thing that's brought up, when it's suggested in politics or just in "open forums" by the public. Helping others, with "your hard earned money" isn't something people like. Mostly because they obviously don't count on getting sick (or worse) - but when it hits them; they're usually fairly screwed.
..whereas we (here in the Nordic countries - or in most of EU) aren't - because our taxes go to the general/overall betterment of the country's citizens. The US has just become way to "privatized" and the privatization is just getting pushed at every turn.
Yep, I had a hip replacement recently and the bill came for Skr 120! (Sweden)
Fun fact: Universal health care has been Norway's system for over a century. Even when Norway was one of the poorest countries in Europe, health care was still a priority.
True story.
Hey again :)
I can confirm that our health care system is pretty solid since I have had a pretty tough month with fist a fractured wrist after a fotball match and two weeks later an emergency operation for an infected and ruptured appendix. This meant I had to stay at the hospital for 5 days after the operation. When I was leaving I was ready to pay a solid deductible for those 5 days, but the nurse told me that if you have to be hospitalized, you don't pay. I was glad, but confused and I left with a smile and one less thing to worry about. :D
Btw, your videos was some of the things that made the situation a little better during my stay so I thank you for that. :)
From what I’ve heard about the american health care system, the norwegian health care system is pure heaven in comparison. If you get into accident or simply just need any form of medical attention here in Norway, then you can safely just releaxe. No need to worry about if you can afford the treatment or not. Its when it comes to drugs that you might start to see any real costs. There is a deductible that you have to pay for your drugs,and the rest the government will pay for.
The tax system is probably different compared to the US as well. If you’re disabled or unemployed, then you naturally don’t have the same income as a person with a job. This fact does not change the level of treatment you’ll get at the hospital or your doctor. As a unemployed/disabled person, you pay less taxes than a person with a job, but you still have the same rights to the same treatment as anyone else.
However! This is not the case when it comes to dental treatments though. That comes straight out of your own pocket. But lately there have been talks about putting the dental care under the same system as the regular health care system, which I hope will come true some day. Your teeth is just as much a part of your body as your leg or arm.
I think its a shame that certain people actually can get rich on other peoples health. Its one of the biggest discriminations of people, in my opinion. Your rights to health care shouldn’t be decided by how fat your wallet is. People are people, no matter what.
I dont know what to say, I got MS They given me 3 indoor wheelchairs, 2 really big outdoors and a pensjon every month for the rest of my life, 2000 USD. This is why we pay tax, Ihad been working all my life , made a lot of money and PAID a lot of tax, how happy I am that we got the healthcare system and that I build a house and saved some money, NORWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The "Co-pay" limit for 2022 is 2921kr ($291), for a calender year. You co-pay some part of the total cost, as explained in the video, you pay for GP visits, out-patient clinics, emergency rooms, state-funded psyciatrists appointment, and physiotherapy, did I miss anything??? So once you reach the limit, everything mentioned here gets free. One time, couple of yrs back, I got my free card in February, and rest of the year was free. Oh and I forgot, if you have chronic illness and need medicines for that, incl insulin, heart..and so on, its also counted in the same limit. We dont pay for any medicine for chronic illnesses, after we reach the limit.
What is not included is normal medicines like antibiotics. In ex if you go to your GP for an infection, the visit itself is counted in the limit, but if the docter prescribes you antibiotics for ten days, you pay for it out of you pocket.
There are private clinics, where you pay the full amount, if you dont want to wait. Ex. If I go to the emergency room for some emergency, and docter orders for an MRI to be taken, you get an MRI at once. If you have ex a pain somewhere in the body, and its not acute problem, the docter will send info to radiology clinics, and they will send me an appointment in few weeks or couple of months, but same MRI in private radiology clincs, you might get it within few days, but pays ton of money. I had to take an MRI of my wrist, once. I got an appointment for MRI in couple of months, but due to intolerable pain, I asked if it was possible to get it any sooner, I could get in two-three days, for privat appointment. The two months one would have cost me around $20-30, and two-three days one wound have cost me around $400-500, for the same MRI. So unless its an emergency, its cheaper to wait.
Forgot to write. Everything mentioned in the Co-pay limit is free for the kids under the age of 16, but as adults, it doesnt include antibiotics for any infection the kid might have.
The americans i talk with, are to hunged up in what they would have to pay in taxes. But the thing is,o dont even think about it. Its not a big deal when it is spread on montly bases ,and goes out automaticly. This system makes me safe . And tbh, i would go horrible broke, if i lived in america . I have a lot of health issues. To pay it all ...would be impossible. Ive even been airlifted to hospital with a helicopter ...and the trips with ambulance is so many ! I didnt even think, that someone should have to pay for helicopter or ambulance before. I took it for granted,for a long ,long time. I also get nurses at home , when im home from hospital. They come to me everyday,and they also bring all my medicine. Also a fysiotherapist comes to my home ,several times a week .
All for free .
Im so glad i live in a country that has a system that take care of also the weakest the siclest, the most unfortunate .
But ! I have heard the system in america is way better by now ?
I really hope so !
It should be a human right for all people.
Hi, I'm from Sweden (next to Norway). We basically have the same thing as Norway, but since everything is a little bit less expensive here, so is the health care. We pay 100Sek (9.5 usd) to see a nurse, and 150Sek for a doctor. It is basically free both here and in Norway, except for a symbolic sum to not abuse the system when its not needed :)
The amount we pay , is for medisine and visits for health care....
For me, i have the "all free card" in february ,when it starts in first of january .
And if i have a stay at hospital, and ambulance and shit, thats not what one pay the little sum/the all free card anyway. It doesnt count. Its free anyways and always.
She forgot to tell about when we,ourself, drive to hospital. Or take a bus . Then we can apply to get back what the trip cost , for the specific distance , and if the trip takes all day ,one can also apply for getting meal covered. And if your doctor say you need a person to follow to help you,then this person also can apply for their cost covered.
however dentalcare is not covered by our health system, so that can be very costly
I know people who book their Syden trip and have a dentist in that city. Croatia is popular for that. If they need a certain type of work, it works out cheaper and they get a a warm holiday. I hosted a student from the UK who couldn't get the dental treatment she needed in England, so she came here to Norway and got it. (She was a fellow soapmaker so we had friends in common) She didn't have to pay full price, because it was deemed 'medical necessity' so she only had to pay 25% (at the time the UK was in the EU, EØS) . At least there is a sliding scale if you need braces. My son qualified for a small discount when it came time for his, but I paid a pretty penny for his teeth. (his father bowed out when asked to contribute.. a big 'no thanks' to his share of the bill)
It must be said that in our most remote areas its a challenge to fill out the required health personell positions, we pay for example danish or swedish doctors and nurses incredible high salaries to come over to these regions
I just so happen to go for ultrasound today to check a problem I have with gallstones. I've payed up the medical deductables for the year, which is about 285 USD, so only thing I had to pay for was the light rail to and fro.
I think you can even get that light rail cost coverd from Helfo if is is a necessary appointment ;) I did lol
@@toppy83 Sikkert. Bare gadd ikke.
l am a Norwegian guy and I had to go in and replace my 2 knees with Titan knees, I was informed that this would have cost NOK 250,000 (25721,. US Dollar) per knee if I had paid for this myself, so l was happy that l did not have to pay this
The biggest difference between US and Norwegian health care is that the Norwegian state is the only provider of medicines etc, meaning they are one massive customer who can get really really good deals on imports. In the US you have private companies negotiating deals with other companies to make the most money by making every single individual a costumer losing all negotiation power
The system is pretty similar here in Sweden. The maximum out of pocket for the year is currently Skr 1200, about USD 120.
The healthcare system in America works perfectly as long as you are amongst the wealthy upper middle class and upper class rich people, and can afford paying for it. Problem is that the healthcare is run just like any other business over there, and is driven like any other business focusing on maximum profit. The doctors ends up as ''salesmen'' pushing their newest drug on people in order to test it and get it out to patients, or how the business sees them: As customers/users. This is why there is a drug epidemic in USA, people getting pushed subscription medicine onto them that once you run out and you can't get more, you are now addicted and needs hard street drug to maintain and get the same effect that you did from what your doctor used to give you for pain relief. It's a dirty business in USA.
Yes, the financial system of health care is great here in the nordic countries, but in Sweden we have SO SEVERE problems with being short of staff, leading to patient safety being jepordized. A majority of cardiac patients at the ER have to wait 12-24 hour for care, suicidal patients get sent home from the psych ER because there are no inpatient places (some do kill themselves), children waiting for assessments of ADHD/autism have to wait 2+ years, pregnant women in the north have to drive to Finland to give birth because the nearest hospital is 200 km away and have cut down on ambulances.
This isn't exceptions that are extraordinary, this is EVERY DAY swedish health care. I've had contact with the psychiatry for 20 years and yes, they have saved my life severeal times, but also caused me so much trauma. Because no one wants to work under these conditions they hire persons who SHOULDN'T be working with people, but since it's better to have a bad doctor who does countless dangerous errors and damage to patients than NO doctor at all, they keep the bad ones.
I legitimatly had a bipolar episode this autumn purely provoked by bad psychiatric health care. The situation is finally resoved now, but me and a lot of people with me choose to NOT seek help from the health care systems (both psychiatric and somatic) because of the long waits, no places at wards and idiots who are allowed to work there.
Sure, it's free. But people literally die waiting in line for help.
You pay for what you get,basically.It is funded by taxation............everyone pays,and everyone receives care when needed
The Norwegian healthcare system is good financially, and the care is mostly good.
The downsides is that is not always highlighted:
1. Waiting time can be very long but acute conditions and injuries are prioritized to save lives.
2. Many facilities are struggeling with old equipment.
3. Getting access to new types treatments or equipment take way too long. Procidures or treatments that has been successfully practiced in other countrys, that in many cases are better than current practice in Norway, take way too long to get approved in Norway.
4. The healthcare system is overloaded. Healthcare workers often don't get much time with each patient, which can result in wrong treatments or missing diagnosis.
What is really shocking for americans , is that they are covered too when travelling in Norway.
In return , US government will pay for my healthcare if I get sick on vacation in the US. Wich they refuse to do for their own citizens....
Yes, we pay taxes for it but it works.
I suppose it's the closest you can get to buying peace of mind. There are lots of other things to worry about but the cost of healthcare isn't one of them.
The average (or median?) income tax in Norway is around 30%, the same as in the states.
You should do a video on jail and sentences in Norway VS America. Its a huge difference.
The health care in Norway are...wonderful!! It really is, I have some problems with my health. Around July everything is free, because I have passed that 200-ish dollar limit. :)
In Denmark, we pay nothing when we go to the doctor, use the ambulance, or the hospital, everything is financed through the tax system. I prefer the Danish system over the Norwegian one.
The funny thing is that the max deductible of around 250$ a year also includes perscription medicine. So Just my ADHD medication almost maxes out the deductible every year. 😊
Another thing is that if you cannot afford the bill, you are still getting assistance. The bill is given after your appointment and is not the problem of the health clinic but a seperate entity that deals with the possible financial issue. As such, if you do not pay it has no impact on your next appointment, although you now have a problem with whatever service is responsible for getting the money. But again, its not expensive enough for it to ever become a real problem. Just dont drink beer that month...
We also have a European health insurance card that we can download for free on the national health website , that is to be used for travels in Europe. Should you get sick while in any other country, our state will pay for all healthcare and medicine - including the transport home. It does not cover hotel bills or unused plane tickets etc which you would need a travel insurance to cover.
The video says that EU citizens get the same healthcare as they do in their own country, I thought it was the same healthcare as the citizens of the country they receive the care in?
@@peterc.1618 Yes it should be :)
That's the whole point. Things that are in no way necessary, and often times harmful, like alcohol, tobacco, sugar etc. Have a high tax and are therefore expensive. Essential stuff is affordable. Heard a polish van filled with nappies (diapers) was stopped at the border. This is considered necessary for new parents, and is therefore subsidised by the government, so it was a lot cheaper in Norway than in Poland.
I'd like to add a couple of things. the freecard/exemption card. doesnt just cover blue prescription type and doctor/ER visits. it also covers DPS(psychiatrist), chiropractor, physical therapist, xray/MRI/CT scans, lab work, select dental treatments, select rehab facilities and even a select treatment travels to other countries . there used to be 2 types of these cards and each with about 2000kr to reach it. in 2021 they merged the two and only raised the cap with a couple of hundreds.
One thing that is not mentioned here is that we also have sick pay, i.e. full salary when we are sick, if you are ill for a long time you get 100% salary for 52 weeks then 66%
Tyler responded to a very good video this time. And good reaction as well.
Love how he stops every other second and say something along the line of "this is something America struggles with"
I’m from Sweden and we pays maximum $115/ year for health care when you reach the maximum it’s free for 1 year from the first date you started to pay towards the $115. It’s free for children up to 18 or 20y. Medicine are maximum $255/year. With the same structure as for the health care. Almost all medicines are free for kids up to 18 or 20. Dental care are free for kids up to 23y. Everyone say that we pays more in tax than US, but when I talked to someone from Texas they paid the same % in income tax that I do and we get a lot back on the tax. Free school or we get paid to go to school. Almost free daycare (maximum $160/ month for kid 1, maximum $130/ month for kid 2, maximum $95/ month for kid 3, from kid 4 it’s free) paid parental leave, paid sick leave. And we don’t have so much stress over things that US citizens think is normal
Same in Sweden. We pay a maximum of 180 dollars for all your medicine in 1 year. Hospital visits cost 20 dollars. You can be in hospital for months and have life-threatening operations and you don't pay for any operations but you pay about 10 dollars a day for accommodation and food. In Sweden, you also get sick leave and get 80% of your salary but no more than 100 dollars a day in compensation. But then we also pay a lot of tax. 32% of our salary in tax. Maternity care is free and giving birth in hospital is also free.
OK, US citizens, buckle up. Here (in Sweden) it costs $25 to visit a doctor, every concievable surgery included, there has been zero school schootings and zero mass shootings, fatal road rage is non existent, no metal detectors in schools, very rare that you need to work multiple jobs to get by, no child is home schooled (actually against the law). If you are injured or sick, you stay home and get well. There is mandatory parental leave, paid, 12 months. Not one person had g0ne into bankruptcy due to health care costs. Now, who is more ”free”?
My take on the fact that we pay a copayment at all, is to reduce the pressure on the medical system. If it was 100% free some people would missuse the system and go to the doctor like every day. While at the same time , people who do need doctors more often, dont have to get buried in bills, since there is a roof.
I just wanted to add, if someone does not have the means to meet the minimum co-pay in Norway you can just apply to social services to have these fees covered. Also a hospital can not refuse treatment of anyone :)
Im Norwegian and uses Helse Sør-Øst. 😁
The healthcare here is way bether then the American one.
The only thing i dont like, you have to pay a very small fee if you going to you're General Practitioner, or the emergency room. Unless you have a exemption card, you dont have to pay anything 😁
If you have to go to the hospital for a longer period. You don't have to pay for that.
Healthcare is extremely big business in the US. I don't think it will change anytime soon because the insurance companies would lose a big portion of their income if they didn't got their healthcare insurance money. They spend hundreds of thousands on just lobbying just to make sure the future will bring in just as much in healthcare insurances as well as today.
Then,actually they have no right to profit,no more than anyone else if there is an alternative method of provision.
25% of all Visa's to US are for medical reason, remember Norway does not have 350 million population, Norway has an increasing short of Doctors, I will use the Dept of Veterans' Affairs, which is in theory , 301k veterans died waiting care. WASHINGTON -- More than 300,000 American military veterans likely died while waiting for health care -- and nearly twice as many are still waiting -- according to a new Department of Veterans Affairs inspector general report.The IG report says "serious" problems with enrollment data are making it impossible to determine exactly how many veterans are actively seeking health care from the VA
You're on point when it comes to the most critical services such as health care, (most) medication, education, etc Norway is affordable
In Denmark:
18-year-old, split and dislocates my kneecap. Have a paramedic in a normal car come and look at my leg, he calls for an ambulance, three days in hospital for surgery, checks and rehab.
Cost: 0kr
The worst part is that Americans are still paying a significant portion of taxes towards the bureaucracy the insurance system creates. Thus the universal healthcare system is actually cheaper for the larger majority of taxpayers. The only ones who benefit from the insurance system are the for-profit pharma, health care, and insurance companies. Hence why the universal health care model enjoy bipartisan support across Europe.
As somebody who has lived in america as a dual citizen for most of my childhood, rich people are idolized more than any where else in the world. Paired with the constant message drilled into our heads that "you too can strike it rich" or "the american dream", everyone has this idea that they are one good idea away from being a millionaire. And that's nice to be optimistic, and it certaintly helps drives new buisness, however that also leads to a larger and larger poor population of people that still vote against larger or mandatory taxation on the rich. After all, If i vote for more tax on the rich, when I strike it big, that's going to be more tax on me. It also keeps america very very conservative. Compared to Canada's liberal and conservative parties, which is where i live now, both republican and democrat are very right wing. Conservative policies work more to protect value on personal or corporate assets, like homes and business, while liberal polcies usually work to increase quality of life, like healthcare and rights and freedoms, government programs, etc. Both are more or less required to keep a country running, but when CEOs are praised as gods, can choose to never let them have a day off, are exempt from tax, and the majority population will vote against the proper change because of that delusion, or because they are old and want to keep their home value up, then you aren't going to get anywhere. Doesn't help that "tax" is this dirty word that all sides kind of cringe at. Left leaning people don't actually want more tax, because the government will just spend it on more missiles, and the conservatives don't want more tax because it's undemocratic. The whole thing is fucked and each new president spends all their time removing the polciies of the previous so nothing ever changes.
Never tried Norwegian health care but I'll say in Sweden the service is some what poor at the start while you are in the normal clinics, usually slow and uneffecient with little proper help. Once you are diagnosed with something though and you get in to the system, the care is excellent and the doctors extremely proffesional. Its just that first step that can be rather frustrating here.
3:21 "Every resident taxpayer gets universal coverage."
No, *every* resident has universal health-care coverage, regardless of how much or if they pay taxes at all.
Yes, I've said it countless times, if I was born in the US, I'd have to move to another country(Canada ?) if I wanted to live a long life, as lifesaving and nescessary meds are extremelyi expensive in the US. In Canada, same meds are an average of 1/10 the cost of the US.
Long live the American Dream, right?
Born prematurely, I developed asthma within a couple of mnths. I have blue perscription, meaning, I pay up till 265 dollars pr year, for appointments, and meds.
If I need physiotherapy, kiropractic services, I now have to pay myself up till the same limit of 265 dollars. It used to be all free of charge.
We also had free hospital choice. So If I wanted to go to another specialist, I could do that. I might have to pay for the trip myself, but that's all.
If you have an accident, you don't pay anything for emergency care, if you are brought in by ambulance, or you visit the ER by yourself and get admitted to the hospital, it is free. Yeah, and btw AMBULANCE is FREE!
I had an accident in 2015. Was in hospital for 1 mnth, then the local hospital messed up, and I got inflamated wounds. It resulted in 5 mnths in total, 15operations, diff. specialist treatments, shared on 3 different hospitals.
Didn't cost me a dime.
It's bad when people get so stressed over cost of health, or the possibility of getting sick.
*It is well known that stress reduces the immune system, and the chance of getting sick gets bigger 🤔🤔
And if you have an accident, and are admitted to nearest hospital, you wake up wondering if you ever gonna be able to pay the bill.
How many take their lives due to financial difficulties in the US.
Standardized heathcare would've made a much easier and happier life.... as well as all the other benefits 😉
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- Just to clarify...
You mean to say that you pay in total up to the said limit of "CAN-$265,-" for everything that you mentioned in regards to treatments, am I right?
Or did you mean that you pay two such amounts...
One for normal doctors and such, and a second one to cover treatments at a physical therapist and the like?
In comparison...
Here in Norway we used to have two separate ones like that too, with somewhat different amounts as limit for the two.
But it got changed back in 2020 to simplify things for people.
So instead of having to keep track of two such limits, we now only have one with a slightly higher limit set forth by the government.
Here in Norway for 2022 the limit is set to roughly "US-$291,-" for the whole year, but it doesn't cover everything.
F.ex. materials and/or alternative treatments used while visiting with a doctor/specialist is normally not covered by this said limit.
Or at least they shouldn't be according to the laws and regulations here, but most doctors don't seem to take this exact matter all that serious.
Also, there's a difference between getting treated for something chronic like Asthma compared to something short term like f.ex. a Urinary infection.
The medication and/or materials for the first one is indeed covered by these "US-$291,-" that I mentioned when visiting a pharmacy, but not the latter.
For stuff like that you have to pay out of pocket regardless if you have reached said limit or not.
The "US-$291,-" limit is a good idea, great even, but sadly the dental part of the Norwegian health system is not normally covered by said limit.
Which is very sad, 'cause it can get godly expensive, and only a few very specific things gets covered.
Some of which is fair and makes sense, but some of it doesn't make all that much sense and is not very fair to the general population.
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The Norwegian healthsystem is good, but not great. If you need immediate care you are fine in Norway. If you have chronic illnesses, mental health issues or something like that you may need to fight a lot of burocracy to get the care you need. And not everyone is able to take upon themselves that fight.
It's true...now it is about 310 USD...but after that it's all free, it's called "frikort". And a lot of those who have medicince that are needed all year have H-resept. I have one for some of my medicine, one of them are about 2 500 a month, but it's free. :)
So why pay a insurance company every month so they “hopefully” can cover the cost of one’s health ? but of course I understand that if you don’t have any other choice. We in Norway pay taxes, and yes high taxes about 30 - 50% tax every month pays for our way of living - our social welfare system and healthcare is free. We know what we pay for and are happy to pay compared to what other countries have to endure.
After the 300$(2022) that we need to cap in the year. Everything is free, medicine, cab fare to and from the hospital/gpp, even xrays(mri,cat) It even covers the WHOLE bill of having birth and all around of what that entitles. Procedures for Children under the age of 16 we dont have to pay at all for. Only thing we can get charged for after the cap is reached is coverage for medical supplies(gauze, and such)
Ex i had once where i had to get a operation at the hospital. Meet my GP witch cost 32$ , and then wait 3-6 months in que. But i was called after 3 months on a wednesday as someone could not make their friday appointed and i said yes to come that friday.
At hospital i get 2x paralgin forte pills and wait 1-2 hour , then meet docotors and get some local anaesthetic. Then they do a laser surgery operation for my problem, and then bandage me up and sent out. And that surgery costed 32$.
As a person who gets their frikort in mid january, it's great! During winter, I have to visit the hospital ~3 a week, so it adds up quickly, and with a surgery too, it could add up. If I had been in the US, I wouldn't be able to afford to live. At one point I was on meds that cost something like 78.000 dollars a year. My only big complaint with the system is that if you need a break in the treatment (I have something like 3/4ths of the year off), you get entirely thrown out of the system and need to see your GP again, even though I've been doing the same treatment since I was six.
I live in Norway. When I had my daughter, we didn't pay a dime to the hospital. That was nice. I've heard people in the States pay 10,000USD for delivery at the hospital and if you want to have body to body contact with your baby right after delivery, you have to pay a little more. Is this true?
I broke my leg crashing my bike in Latvia. Had no insurance. I paid 90e for 6 day stay at the hospital/ambulance/surgery/x-ray. Everything necessary for 90e😅
Yes Tyler, I've just been diagnosed having lung cancer. The cost of the treatment for me me is zero point zero.
I thought Norway was more similar to Denmark where i at least have never paid for anything health related other than dentists and medicine
The american problem is the taxes goes mostly to the military. just a small part goes to health. The taxes americans pay is around the same as in norway but the part to health is so small it doesnt count.
It's not really different from the US. The "monthly payment" you talk about for the US citizen is what we in scandinavia call "TAX". We have a 45-55% tax rate, so compare that to the US and all of a sudden all our "benefits" seems not so different. We already paid for all our needs through insane taxrates
Interesting video. But why is the picture so blurry? I playback this video at 1018p on a 1440p monitor, but the quality looks as grainy as a 480p resolution. Only when I set the resolution of the playback down to 360p I notice a picture degradation. Are these videos produced on an old NTSC camcorder and upscaled to 1080p?
Amazing that the US is not willing to even try something similar, that to me it's the crazy part. Try it and if you don't like it you can always go back to your current system but then you at least know, it's really not that difficult.
Same system in Iceland basically
I got greate healthcare in Iceland. Sepsis. 53 Kroner
( W.O. travelinsurance.
-The nordic countries have deals that cover EMS, transport etc. in ower systems). We are ofc. Cowered in EU to.
Thx. From Oslo to Iceland for helping me out👍
One extra thing to know Tyler (and others), if you are ever visiting and need lifesaving help/have to be put into hospital, it is free as far as I know. There are universal rules that they have to help here, and cant bill. Also there is no cost if you get picked up by ambulance, then treatment is free.
So some rules left out (good once for all there) from the video, but all in all a very good video about our healthcare.
ONE more ting is the queues for non life threatening illnesses and such is/can be very long, but it is getting better the more private hospitals get founding for fixing up in those health queues ;)
We have one big issue tho and that is that for some WEIRD reason the government do not count teeth as a part of the body, so all dental care is REALLY expensive, and I struggle with that right now my self, fixing a root canal is 280$, and before you can DO that it is 120$ just taking pictures and finding the problem. If you like me have dental fright/ptsd and need drugs to even get in a chair, 120$ more on top, so for the last tooth I fixed it was 520$ that hurts when I have 1500$ total a month during waiting time for disability aid from arthritis in my fingers and ancles/toes =(
All in all I have around 3000-3500$ in bills coming up to fix my teeth =(
I think the whole thing about my country of Norway is that people are (as much as possible) treated as equals, that is why we score so high in all the world things. We are all one nation no matter where you are from, you are under the wing of the laws and regulations when you are here.
We don't even send people to jail in their home country if they do bad thing here and can it is "life threatening" to send them to their country, that one is a hard pill to svallow when we have had terrorist and so one here doing really bad stuf, but again, it is the same for ALL so we cant just pick and chose who gets that treatment, then it would not be a system for ALL ;)
We have alot of imigrants in Norway, and get ore everyday, and I can see the reason why, the umbrella covers all when you get a citizenship and so one, so if I came from a really bad place, I would also pick Norway for sure lol. Just wish people could leave their troubles at their country when they come here and start fresh, what a place to be then.....well it is still awsome, but that would be magical. No fighting over religions, ethnicity, couleurs of skin, gay/straight, basic human right and politics, dream world in my head atleast =)
EMS and SAR* is gratis in Norway, -air, sea and land ambulances included.
( *SAR might get you the bill of the hole operation if you have done obveusly stupid things, or illegal.
( Read: Be responsible, dont BASE-jump from banned places, etc. ).
The 3000kr limit (it has increased a bit since this video) also covers public mental helth as well as physical, it doesn't cover dental and it may or may not cover prescription pills. It covers my ADHD pills but it does not cover my birth control pills.
Similar system in Sweden... For us the biggest issue right now is waiting lists for specialists because they cut down on appt during the pandemic and now have a looooot of backing up to take care of. And yes, the hours are long and the pay is not enough for nurses and other hospital staff. They are burnt out so there is a lack of staff.
The reason that it's so good to live in Norway is because we pay a lot of tax. Tax is a good thing since the % of tax is higher the more you earn. The problem is that the right wing in Norway has over the years, get the income tax lower and rais som other tax (called avgift). Avgift is the same amount for all, which in pracis means that the more you earn the less you pay (in % of your income)
This avgift is on everything lik passing a certain point on the road and you pay 2-3 dollar each time. This form of tax is wery bad since it tax you for where you live and work, and there can be several "tax stations" on the way to and from work.
There is also extra high tax on alchol, sigarettes and sugar, which is good (to keep you helthy). But all tax together can for some brings the tax total up to 60% of what they earn. That is not the real problem, but at it's taken with the same amount from everbody is not good. Higher income tax would be better. We also have high sales tax (25%) on top of everyting
In Uruguay we have a similar health system.
sure it's quite good in the way that we don't have to pay that much compared to the US. There are a few things that could be better, like administration and surgery lines. Generally speaking i'd say the best thing about the health system is that there are a lot of personnel directly affiliated with healthcare that's really good at their job. Generally speaking there's not really any mistakes made within the system when you get help. Key word is when. Or if.
Meanwhile the US spends $ 770,000,000,000 a year on its "defence budget". As much as the next 10 countries on the top spenders list combined (China, Russia, UK, Germany, India, Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Australia, France). Imagine what that kind of money could have done to help people, like the sick, homeless, students, etc. Even if they just dropped it by $550B to the same level as #2 (China).
I do not have a source for this, so don't believe it 100%. i think i read somewhere that Americans on average pay almost the same amount of money in monthly taxes for all their insurances as we Norwegians do. Because most of insurances only cover some things , such as bone breaks, flesh wounds, etc. On average you need to have more than 1 insurance in the US, and that total is almost the same % of their income as in Norway. I'll try to find the source later
Im my experience the healthcare in Norway has been extremely slow and inconclusive. I dont even know what im paying for when nothing gets solved. Most of the time waiting for a regular check up takes a full month. More specialised stuff like a knee checkup, usually 3 or more months every time for me. At least im not 100k in dept tho.
Kicking in open doors is rather easy, the shortcomings in American health/education/infrastructure system is fairly obvious to most of the developed world as its based on making money rather than providing service for the community.
But with the great numbers continuing voting "conservative" its not likely to change(its basically in the name, "keep everything as is")
Socialism wasnt invented by communists, it was practiced by cave men to help keep the tribe alive as everyone should contribute according to their ability for the best for the tribe, it should be easy to understand, but apparently its not.
Also, if you see a doctor or anything else and you need to pay 30$ cover you don't have to pay anything as soon as you reach 350$ for the rest of the year
If you like to pay 36% tax and 25% sales tax and extra tax on a lot of different items, then you get free healthcare, not free at all. It cost so much more than any insurance you can buy. And it covers only approximately only 300 000 US Dollars, if it's more you have to pay all by your self.
36% income tax
Pretty much the same here in Finland.
We are happy to pay for our taxes here because they go to something useful that is benefitial for everyone.
Free schools, free health care etc. If the taxes were to be raised even now, i would happily still pay. I pay for my own and other people's security. And im content with that!
One thing is also that health care for children under the age of 18 is always free. Idk if it is like that in America, but nothing surprises me abt the US anymore lol
Im Norweigian, i have MS and Just my medication alone Costs 50 000 $ a year, i also have expences to spcialistcare ( neurologist) mri , etc. For this i pay 240-50 $ a year. So in my house we pay our taxes happily. You cant expect to gp trough life and dont depend on good healthcare for periods