Idina is so good, but Willemijn has much healthier placement and shows more technique. do not get me wrong i am Idina lover, but Willemijn sounds healthier.
Willemijn is a trained musical theatre performer and has been her whole life. Idina begun her career as a rock singer and sort of fell into musical musical accidentally. Plus Idina has asthma meaning she does have limits.
@@floor.smorenburg I mean I was more getting at the fact that she is doing this multi-nationally and multi-lingually. And even if German, Dutch and English are pretty close to each other, it's still impressive to perform in three different languages
@@pridemoth_ oh dont get me wrong, i think that she is an amazing singer. Im just saying that performing in english as a non native speaker is relatively easy, because we are raised listening to english music and learn speaking it at a very young age, german is something different but we have the sounds in our languagr that are nessecary to creating a proper german accent in the songs and the speech.
Yes, some of the English vowels that are set to the high notes, were translated into different vowels in Dutch and German, meaning you basically have to relearn the song and adjust the technique to fit those vowels. For example the Y in defying was translated into an A and Ei sound in Dutch and German respectively. The A being a more open sound and the Ei having more of a twangy sound. The sounds are very similar, which is of course done in purpose, but the slight different asks for a slight alternation when singing it. And that goes for every note. There is indeed more to it than just hitting the notes!
@@ClipsByLaura Thank you for this insight! I'm not super well-versed in vocal technique, I just thought there was something cool about singing in multiple languages. But it's cool to know there's some substance in regards to technique to it too
Kathi C. I totally agree. I have loved idina for YEARS and every video I see her pinned against another performing they always pull the weak clips. Although there were some good ones here and I still love Idina!!
"I'm flying high deFYing gravity" Idina at 4:23: *carelessly tosses note up, slightly flat* Willemijn at 4:38: *turns note into 3 on-pitch showstopper riffs for funzies* (I mean...I have respect for Idina's stage presence and acting, but as a more music-focused person, Willemijn's utter command of technique wins me over every time)
I’m sure she didn’t riff because the show was still new and didn’t need riffs to keep the songs interesting. She might even have not been allowed to stray from the written notes at that point.
@@RianeBane A lot of people didn't know. That clip was the performance in 2004 at the Tony Awards. She just had a major asthma attack before the performance. That's why her performance was very breathy. Considering that she could still belt out those high notes, it was an impressive deed already.
I prefer Willemijn vocally for sure, Idina is an actress who sings while Willemijn is the opposite Imo so I understand why people would have different answers.
Wilemijn sounds more classically trained and I definitely agree from that perspective she sounds better, but Idina has a specific sound to her voice that's hard to mimic. (Actually, I think most singers who preform in Idina's positions, Elphaba and Elsa, sound more classically trained)
Idina is not an actress who sings.. She started out her career in musical theater, and she does tour performances as a singer.. So she profiled herself also as a singer, not just an actress who sings.
In terms of Wicked, I certainly think that Idina nails the emotion of the character better. Her acting is so raw and beautiful and perfectly captures Elphaba. However, in terms of actual singing and technique, Willemijn soars above her I think. And it is all down to correct technique which allows her to sound so natural even in the higher notes. A lot of the time when I listen to Idina nowadays I worry that she's going to seriously injure herself and her voice because she seems to be straining her voice more often than not. But anyway, love them both! These guys are legends!
Yeah, but I think it's also because Willemijn is dutch, so when she played the role of Elphaba in Germany, on Broadway and on West End, she had to do it in a foreign language and I think that makes it harder because you also have to focus on correct pronunciation etc., while Idina played the role in her native language. I saw Willemijn performing the role of Elphaba in the Netherlands in her native language and she's a really good actress and also makes a perfect Elphaba for me, as well as Idina. They're both great actresses. There's even one thing I definitely like more on Willemijns Elphaba, she's portraying the weird quirks of Elphaba so perfectly and genuine as no other could ^~^
@@blackblossomjojo4599 I mean I got to see Willemijn's Elphaba on Broadway during her 2013 run, and I was not disappointed. I've never seen Idina in the role, but her singing on the OCR simply isn't up to the same level.
I've finally figured out what drives me crazy about Idina's voice - she sounds constantly out of breath, while Willemijn's sounds effortless but still forceful. SHe's a fantastic performer but her belt makes me so worried one day it'll just leave her.
From things I have read, multiple sources, Idina isn't someone who takes care of her voice as well as she should be considering how she sings. If she did, there wouldn't be as many videos on youtube with her missing a few notes or not being able to belt the right note.
Exactly! People who are blindly fans of her constantly try to make excuses for her bad technique, but as she's getting older now and voices mature, it's becoming more and more noticeable.
Whitney and Mariah are 2 perfect examples of performers who didn't take care of their voices like they should have and on top of that, hitting those high notes does do vocal damage. Mariah can't hit those really high notes anymore. They were amazing back in their day, but when they made comebacks, couldn't perform at the levels they used to.
If Idina took care of her voice and learned proper breathing techniques, she would still be able to belt today. Not as high as she used to, but close. Willemijn's voice is absolutely stunning. I do still love me some Idina, but there isn't a comparison. I watched a video done by Lindsey Mendez while she was Elphaba and one of the videos, she shows how she takes care of her voice. Everything she uses and how often.
Violett Bellerose haha it’s alright, I’m an Idina Stan so I know what her singing voice sounds like. Idina’s voice is more powerful, and can project stronger and louder. But when it comes to Willemijn she has more control over her voice and can hit higher notes within her range which is also very powerful. I think they are both very great singers. It’s sad to see them constantly being compared. Idina’s voice might not be the same anymore but her voice is improving during this past quarantine. Some clips here she was either sick or her voice wasn’t good that day, i only know that because I always check and dig around for any information I can get on her 😂💗. But yeah!
@@Kaylee-uk7pn I agree, they shouldn't be compared that much. What were your thoughts on their performance in the oscars? When they sang "into the unknown"? (not to compare them, just that that's the only time I've seen them sing together)
This is how it is. Wilejmin needs to head a broadway production to get the same attention. I saw her live in Rebecca as Mrs Denvers and she really has a fab voice. Really loud and clear.
They are both breathtaking when you see them live. I've been fortunate enough to see them both star in a musical, Wicked (Verkaik) and If/Then (Menzel) respectively and they are both incredible performers. Idina has a certain aura to her when she is on stage, which is just magical. Your eyes are automatically drawn to her, even if she just takes a breath. There is no way to describe her live performance because no recording ever will do justice to it. That being said, Willemijn is clearly superior when it comes to technique and control. The way she can manipulate her voice is just out of this world. There is a reason she has played Elphaba for 10 years in four countries, she is just that good.
I personally don't like the idea of comparing professionals. Being a professional singer is a very tough job and obviously to get there you have to work really hard and develop a range of skills and control. I believe, or at least hope that everyone in the theatre business are good and have technique, or else they wouldn't be there. But everyone is at a certain level and everyone have different voices, weak points and strong points. Idina has control and she definitely had way better performances - everyone's allowed to mess up and she does and it's okay. Although Willemijn has better control and a better belt, she sometimes messes up too or her belt sounds too excessive. It happens, their both just humans and still all of us look up to them, believing they have superpowers (although, I am myself convinced they do)
I agree overall with what you're getting at but purely on the evidence of the clips provided here, Verkaik has superior control (objective), tone (maybe subjective) and projection (objective). So if we're analysing technique, she is the better singer.
were we listening to the same vid??? xD sis we know you stan Idina and my God she is one hell of a talent but Willemijns knocked her out of the park vocally. Also, any artist whether they're professional or not is open for critique. Both Verkaik and Menzel have played most of the same roles so comparisons are going to be made naturally. Also saying Idina has control.....i meaaaaan are we talking about control over the audience? cause yeah she does.....but vocal control.....i meaaaaaan in the past yeah to an extent. now not so much....
It really is unfortunate that Idina didn’t learn to take care of her voice from a young age. Willemijn is only 4 years her junior. (At 46 and 42) And Id imagine Idina was much younger when she did Elphaba In 2003-05 because Willemijn was still in the role in London last spring (2017).
Willemijn first played Elphaba in the German version of Wicked (2007 - 2011) and then went on to the Dutch version (2011 - 2013). After that she was Elphie on Broadway (2013) and at the West End (2013 - 2014, 2017). I had the pleasure to meet her in person when she starred in the show here in Germany and see her perform three times
Willemijn is the better singer, but Idina is the better actor. I'd prefer to hear Willemijn sing those songs out of context in a concert. but if I'm watching the entire musical and following the characters it's Idina all the way - I need to feel the pain and fear of No Good Deed rather than watching a performer showing off her lungs.
I've never seen wicked with Idina (I started watching Wicked much later). But I have seen wicked with Willemjin and she's the only Elphaba to give me chills in that song (for context I've seen wicked with about 6 different Elphabas. Willemjin is by far the best)
Okay wait, I’ve seen plenty of performances where Idina does fantastic at “let it go” and “rain on my parade”. I’m not saying she’s better than Willemijn because that woman has major talent! but some of these are poor examples to compare.
I totally agree! I just saw her in concert 2 weeks ago. I’m not schooled re technique, but when she sang Defying Gravity, there was an electric feeling in the theatre. She wasn’t straining. She was relaxed and in command of herself. Her voice just resonates with me and it was a fantastic performance and the audience had a great time. Isn’t that what it’s about?
@@MsMisidolos here. ua-cam.com/video/6IeBKtuEhzQ/v-deo.html Besides the one high note (ofc she's straining that time after putting her voice on Frozen), everything was perfect.
Willemijn is far superior in every way vocally. Her tone, her range and her effortless ease. I'm always scared watching Idina if shes going to make the notes at all. Willemijn is vocal perfection
My favourite Elphaba, in general, is definitely Idina. She has such a distinct stage presence and a charming voice that just screams “Wicked Witch” to me. She’s through and through an actress and does have an amazing vocal ability. However, Willemijn has the technically ‘better’ voice. She has a healthier belting technique and even a better breathing technique, by the sounds of it (I know people say Idina always sounds out of breath but sometimes you can tell she really is out of breath). But she’s not as good of an actress, with not nearly as iconic of a stage presence as Idina. Both are good. Both are incredible at what they do. But to me, Idina was built for Broadway, whereas Willemijn was built to be an amazing singer. Idina is more of a performer, and most certainly more of a misunderstood wicked witch - at least to me, that is.
Yes, I completely agree as well! Idina is definitely the better actress and has more stage presence. When she sings defying gravity, I believe that it's Elphaba singing it and you can hear the emotion behind the words. When Willemijn sings it, it just sounds like she is simply singing the song. Yes she sings it better than Idina but Idina has the whole package. Listen to both of them say "nobody in all of oz, no wizard that there is or was....", who sounds more convincing and passionate? I would rather watch Idina on stage, just my opinion.
Totally agree!!! Actually I really love idina for her stage presence and acting... But there is one song where verkaijk really nailed it even better - much better-than idina. It's the German version of no good deed (Gutes Tun) which is great! I don't know if it's live or not but her singing is much better than idinas. You can almost see her acting just by listening to her. But I still love idina, she is an amazing singer!!! Sorry for my bad English I'm german
hamilton trash same when i watched her acting on Defying gravity when she looked at Glinda i couldnt take it serouisly i do agree she would be better in concerts
I can't even put in words how grateful I am to have Willemijn sing the official German version of Wicked as well. Her Defying Gravity will always manage to make me cry a river. Instant goosebumps whenever she's singing.
As many people have already commented, I prefer Idina's acting and Willemijn's singing but they're both fantastic in their own way! Musical theatre is such a demanding job and they both nail it but it's nearly impossible to master equally all three art forms involved (acting, singing, dancing)! So nothing but endless respect for both of those queens!
Willemijn has a good sense of mask placement which gives a sense of dimension and resonance to her voice. Idina’s Voice is very thin and scratchy to me.
@@giannis_tar Tell that to Mitch Grassi. It's mostly head voice, with enough falsetto and pushing it forward more into the front of your face, to where it resonates more in your nose, and has a twangy/whiny/"ng" kind of sound to it.
What makes Idinas voice standout and the reason (in my opinion) she’s had so much success is not because she can hit higher notes than other women or hit them better. It’s because she has an incredibly distinct tone. You instantly recognize her when she sings. Willemijn sounds amazing but she sounds like 100 other women who’ve sang this part well. She may be technically “better” but she’s not distinctive. That’s my 2 cents anyway lol.
@Olivia Di Spigna She only ever finds her notes by accident, I don't care how unique your voice is technique and skill matter. For a Broadway singer being able to sing in key day after day is a must, you can't just sound good in the studio. Also willemijn is incredibly distinctive her voice is very unique, she just doesn't randomly go off key every other note.
Idina's high notes almost always relies on raising her larynx and almost screaming. While the other singer is much more controlled in almost everyday way, larynx, breath, etc. Idinas voice has never impressed me the way it has a lot of people. But, i think she has great stage presence and you can tell she loves every second she's on stage, which is important. What's sad is you can definitely tell the screaming idinas been doing her whole career has really caught up to her as she's gotten older. Her recent high notes are so insanely strained and often go out of key. She's obviously a legend, but it's sad to see someone's voice get destroyed because of improper belting of high notes.
Verkaiking yeah, I know it's in the title. Just didn't think I needed to say since there's only 2 singers in the video. And I was mostly just talking about idina. Didn't mean any disrespect to Willemijn, was only completing her.
I really like them both. I love Idina more (although her voice may not be as good as Willemijn) because my entire life I grew up with her voice and she has such a great personality. While I can admit she is not as good at singing as Willemijn, that doesn't change the fact that she is still an incredible singer. I don't think she deserves all these people saying she sucks when there are people far worse than her who are more popular...
Lets just all admit that both lady’s are excellent at what they do.... both sound awesome and we all cant even come close too what they do Willemijn is the dutch equal to idina they sound so much alike I love it And love them both Dutchie here
I don't think they sound alike, Willemijn has a warm voice, and Idina sounds screechy and forced in my opinion.Idina sounds better during recording sessions.
Willemijn makes me feel rest assured as a listener. This is so important for a singer to do for their audience. As I listen to Willemijn I am fully confident in her. As I listen to Idina I brace myself for the high notes...she might hit it, she might not.
Before I sound too harsh on Idina though, as an actor she's much stronger than Willemijn and probably the best Elphaba ever AS AN ACTOR. 4:46 gives me chills. "And nobody...in all of Oz...no wizard that there is or was." And that final "aaahhh!" is outstanding as she reigns triumphant. What a war cry. Willemijn's is beautiful but very pleasant and technical. So I can see why people have different answers.
It's no contest. Verkaik has a FAR superior voice and more command of her instrument than Menzel. In fact, EVERY actress that has taken on the role of Elphaba has easily out-sung Menzel, who admitted years ago that she never wanted to be a Broadway singer, but a pop singer. She would have been much better served in pop. Even so, I felt she acted the role very well, but her thin, pitchy, nasal voice with limited range just isn't pleasant to listen to and not suited for musical theater.
Willemijin's Defying Gravity is so beautiful it makes me wanna rip my vocal cords out! Her riffs literally makes me say "ugh" outloud everytime I hear them
Anyone that even considers Idina to be better is delusional, just listen to them now Idinas voice doesn't hold up now and it didn't during wicked she simply isn't controlled enough to sing insane vocals like Willemijn, she has so much control and generally a voice id actually want to listen to unlike Idinas
Charlie .Toland i prefer idina, idk y. i know her technique is trash, but she draws me in. like i’d rather listen to Willemijin, but i’d buy a ticket to see idina
- Don't cry for me Argentina Tie - The Wizard and I Willemijn, sounded more healthy. - Let it go Willemijn, again, more healthy. The belt was pure and powerful. - No good deed (Both) Idina. Pictured the emotion very well. If it wasn't for that, it would be a tie. - Don't rain on my parade Willemijn. Better technique. (Idina was singing for Barbra; that's so cool). - Defying Gravity Willemijn. The F5 was very great, wth. - Defying Gravity (Ending) Idina. so powerful. They're equally talented. No more words.
I really love both of them! Idina has such a unique voice and tone that have made her instantly recognizable. She has created some of the most beloved characters in musical theater and made a lasting impact on the MT/Disney universe by creating characters like Elphaba, Maureen, and Elsa. She voices one of the most independent and strong Disney characters and she has one of the more powerful of the stereotypical "princess" voices but still sounds like a Disney princess. Willemijn is incredible as well. Their voices are both amazing, but Idina has influenced a generation with her vocals and I think has a more distinctive tone.
This is late but whatevs this is my opinion: They are both super talented and powerful women who shouldn’t be compared or put against each other Just saying...
Idina always screams the high notes very rough, and doesn't has a good way to blend high notes with the cords she sang before. Wilemijn blends the notes and has enough breath for them because of this she sings better than idina. My opinion
Willemijn simply better. I’m not a huge Idina fan, but when it counts she makes a note and a character a superstar. Idina create Maureen, Elphie, Elsa. Credit given, but to me, these songs have been improved with new vocalists. Willmejin is always clear, well placed and technically better.
I don't think you can really compare them. Willemijn is vastly superior. She has a much better technique and thus creates a much richer, less nasal and less concerning sound than Idina. Every time I hear anything from Idina, I worry about the damage she is doing/has done to her voice as everything she sings sounds so forced and as though she is in pain. Willemijn is just in much better vocal shape. Simple as that.
Willemijn’s voice has such an element of purity and effortlessness that Idina’s just doesn’t have. Don’t get me wrong, of course Idina is an incredible singer, but Willemijn just nails everything she does with such clarity and ease!
They're just absolutely incredible, both of them. I really like the assessment that's being made here about Idina being an actress who sings while Willemijn is a singer who acts. Definitely mad respect to Willemijn for performing Elphaba in three languages (English, Dutch and German). Honestly, one of the things that made me love the new Frozen film was the fact that Idina Menzel's Elsa is voiced by Willemijn Verkaik in German, so the longest performing Elphaba does the German voice of the original Elphaba.
i personally think the key to singing is singing extremely hard notes while making it seem like the easiest thing in the world and willemijn definitely does that
Don’t cry for me Argentina: Willemijn The wizard and I: Idina Let it go: Willemijn No good deed: tie (literally couldn’t choose) Don’t rain on my parade: Idina Defying Gravity: Idina nailed the first part but Willemijn nailed the final notes so I’d say another tie The leaves the final scores! Idina: 4 points Willemijn: 4 points They’re tied cause they’re both amazing! I think Idina is a better Elphaba and Willemijn is a better Elsa though
No!! Definitely Willemijn was better singing Defying Gravity! And don't rain on my parade too, because Idina was out of breath at the end. She couldn't hold the note.
I saw Willemijn live at a concert last year and it was INSANE! I had wanted to see her for ten years, it finally happened and she killed every song with her amazing technique and emotion. In the end, she sang a wicked-medley and I cried.
Idina feels more like screaming at the top of her longs. Willemijn has more technique that shines through. Plus, she does most performances in English-Dutch-German. If she was on Broadway, she'd own it.
Willemijn definitely sounds healthier but something about how Idina songs the other notes, not just the highest, is much nicer to me. Man it’s so impressive what singers can do with their voice though theyre both amazing
i get what a lot of people are saying but we are also looking at random clips. I would say that Idina is a standout vocalist. I've seen her live and she can be flawless. What makes her her is ability to have enotion, and have a strong belt. and to be fair, she really does always get asked to sing the hardest fucking songs and everyone wants her to sing them ALL THE TIME and that can get weary. But I also am a fan of Willemijn's voice
Idina’s voice is def an acquired taste, but I feel like her best days are behind her. She over exerts her voice constantly. I'm not sure if it's a lack of proper training (does anybody know what her background is), or just her raw enthusiasm and passion, but I feel like her voice is constantly shot, scratchy, and very unreliable. Willemijn is by no means perfect, but she hits vibrato on those belt notes that sound flat when Idina sings them. They're both insanely talented, I just think Willemijn has the technically better voice. For a concrete example: listen to no good deed. Edit: If this were a contest of acting, it’d be a different story
Lauren Coates Basically its all the above. She blasts and screams through everything these days, all the sound is coming from her throat rather than any diaphragm support with chest activation, and while her “acting” is nonchalant and unspecific, I give her credit for always willing to give into emotion and character, but it’s at the expense of her already not properly trained voice. Even the best voice teachers in NYC will train you technically in a way that doesn’t wreck your voice at the expense of acting. They work congruently with each other, and I wish more people would see and know this. I don’t actively dislike Idina, but I’m not an active fan either, she’s just majorly overrated, especially when there’s other ladies who can do what she can do, if not better.
Wow. While I think Idina is known for her wild abandon, it can get incredibly annoying, because you never know if she'll manage to HIT the note from one performance to the next... Willemijn Verkaik is definitely more polished, though I thought the end of her "defying gravity" started sounding like she was a country singer...
willemijn is a dutch lady who sings in dutch, english and german. dont forget that. her voice is so amazing, really does something for me. but then again maybe other would have prefered lemmy from motorhead to sing frozen.
They have both performed in front of casting directors and landed leads on Broadway shows and elsewhere. Getting into a pissing war over who’s better is pointless and a matter of personal preference. I applaud them both. 👏
Willemijn is definitely the better singer -- her voice is much more powerful and refined, and she can hit the high notes without having to force it. I feel like Idina sometimes screams to get the higher, most intense notes, and it can come off as strained. But I like the emotion Idina brings to her performances -- I think Idina's performance of Elphaba is the best because I like the performance she gave--very emotional and intense even with the flaws.
It must suck to be Idina Menzel and know that there's another woman out there doing all the same roles and songs you're famous for but thoroughly out-singing you and out-classing you in every possible way. Willemijn eats Idina's vocals for lunch. (I will say I prefer Idina's version of "And nobody in all of Oz..." because she's just so vicious and angry.)
Sure Willemijn voice is perfect, it’s sounds healthy and clean. But i don’t get the chills like I do with Idina (well except that Defying Gravity riff, insane!). Maybe it’s because Idina’s voice is so “raw”, but it’s so full of emotions and power!
Don't cry for me, Argentina - Idina The Wizard and I - Willemijn Let it go - Idina No good deed - WILLEMIJN!!! IT'S AMAZING!!!! Don't rain on my parade - Willemijn or Idina... But they are both good! I can't chooce one... well, they are both amazing! Defying gravity - Willemijn (do you hear that AAAAAA fron Idina and that AHAHAAAA from Willemijn?)
As a voice teacher, I was astounded to see Menzel stick her tongue out, to avoid back of throat tension on a high note- works in the studio, NOT on stage!!!! Willemjin, OTOH, had a totally relaxed tongue, no veins sticking out on her neck, and was just nailing the tones. NO comparison. Verkaik is a singing actor. Menzel is an actor who thinks she could sing...and now, barely does.
Can’t believe people say idina is better. Idina screams, is most of the time out of breath and sounds like she’s tryin to reach out to dolphins... Willemijn sings with such ease.. hitting the high notes without screaming and with a pleasant voice. I heard Willemijn Many times live and everytime She amazes me!
@@hamiltontrash9255 which achievements? Being longest-running Elphaba? Being Elsa in *multiple* languages? Doing everything from Mamma Mia to Kala in Tarzan to Elizabeth (there's a signature song Idina would crumble at) to Killer Queen in WWRY? It's not fair to just compare Tony nominations when none of the shows Willemijn has been in qualify due to geography.
Ok 1st I'm a huge fan of both. Regrettably I've never got the opportunity to hear them live. I only have 1 small gripewith comparison of these two AMAZING talents. Can anyone find a song that "Willie" has done first THEN Idina? I almost feel that one person gets to hear the other and finds ways to improve/ make her own. Maybe it's me, maybe it's just the way they have their own approach to tackle the music. Responds and comments appreciated! 🤗
Idina is so good, but Willemijn has much healthier placement and shows more technique. do not get me wrong i am Idina lover, but Willemijn sounds healthier.
Except in rain on my parade but yeah I agree
Willemijn is a trained musical theatre performer and has been her whole life. Idina begun her career as a rock singer and sort of fell into musical musical accidentally. Plus Idina has asthma meaning she does have limits.
If I remember correctly idinas voice has taken more damage over the years. So that definitely doesn’t help.
@@isthisryan7899 Willemijn also started as a rock singer...
I agree completely.
I would also like y'all to consider that Willemijn also does most of these songs in German and Dutch. Which is pretty impressive imo
Isnt she dutch? Being dutch, the songs are not that hard to sing in dutch and german
@@floor.smorenburg I mean I was more getting at the fact that she is doing this multi-nationally and multi-lingually. And even if German, Dutch and English are pretty close to each other, it's still impressive to perform in three different languages
@@pridemoth_ oh dont get me wrong, i think that she is an amazing singer. Im just saying that performing in english as a non native speaker is relatively easy, because we are raised listening to english music and learn speaking it at a very young age, german is something different but we have the sounds in our languagr that are nessecary to creating a proper german accent in the songs and the speech.
Yes, some of the English vowels that are set to the high notes, were translated into different vowels in Dutch and German, meaning you basically have to relearn the song and adjust the technique to fit those vowels. For example the Y in defying was translated into an A and Ei sound in Dutch and German respectively. The A being a more open sound and the Ei having more of a twangy sound. The sounds are very similar, which is of course done in purpose, but the slight different asks for a slight alternation when singing it. And that goes for every note.
There is indeed more to it than just hitting the notes!
@@ClipsByLaura Thank you for this insight! I'm not super well-versed in vocal technique, I just thought there was something cool about singing in multiple languages. But it's cool to know there's some substance in regards to technique to it too
Wow Willemijn’s defying gravity riffs were fantastic
darren lumby right?
They were PHENOMENAL. She really gave it all at her last performance
From what I've seen, she does that stuff at almost all the performances, and slightly different all the time - it's truly insane
Seriously. Like I forgot to breathe for a moment listening fantastic.
darren lumby This was her last defying gravity as Elphaba
I am almost stupidly in love with Idina, but i don’t even need to watch the vid to know that this is not gonna end in her favor...
same ... It's bad because I love both Willemijn and Idina and the only thing I wish is a duet between the two, not constant comparaison :/
Kathi C. I totally agree. I have loved idina for YEARS and every video I see her pinned against another performing they always pull the weak clips. Although there were some good ones here and I still love Idina!!
Jess Griffis the problem with Idina is incorrect singing and damaging vocal cords. I just wish she fixes that.
Lambo-chan she can otherwise she’s gonna Pass out she has asthma so Breathing techniques are hard For her normally
I think willemijn has better placement. But IDINA IS THE QUEEN
"I'm flying high deFYing gravity"
Idina at 4:23: *carelessly tosses note up, slightly flat*
Willemijn at 4:38: *turns note into 3 on-pitch showstopper riffs for funzies*
(I mean...I have respect for Idina's stage presence and acting, but as a more music-focused person, Willemijn's utter command of technique wins me over every time)
I’m sure she didn’t riff because the show was still new and didn’t need riffs to keep the songs interesting. She might even have not been allowed to stray from the written notes at that point.
@@phantasma616 I'm less concerned about the lack of riffs and more concerned about the fact that she just didn't have great tone on the note...
@@RianeBane A lot of people didn't know. That clip was the performance in 2004 at the Tony Awards. She just had a major asthma attack before the performance. That's why her performance was very breathy. Considering that she could still belt out those high notes, it was an impressive deed already.
@@knc0490 Oh really? I didn't know she had asthma.
and im pretty sure the scenes from defying gravity was her last show or at least a special day with those riffs...
I prefer Willemijn vocally for sure, Idina is an actress who sings while Willemijn is the opposite Imo so I understand why people would have different answers.
Wilemijn sounds more classically trained and I definitely agree from that perspective she sounds better, but Idina has a specific sound to her voice that's hard to mimic. (Actually, I think most singers who preform in Idina's positions, Elphaba and Elsa, sound more classically trained)
Ricardo R. Yeah. And true, Idina is an astonishing actress
Indina had vocal damage after wicked and before wicked she had lessons and i think indina was better
Idina is not an actress who sings.. She started out her career in musical theater, and she does tour performances as a singer.. So she profiled herself also as a singer, not just an actress who sings.
@@civendea I think they more mean someone who's stronger suit is acting over vocals.
I think the Netherlands and Germany has an amazing Elsa!
absolutely!!!!
Willemijn !!!!!!!!!
Klopt. Alleen tijdens laat het los vind ik willemijn best hard schreeuwen. Indina heeft een zachtere stem. Maar het is allebei mooi
And I wish the German dubbing productions wouldn’t always translate the songs.
@@tompraeger Das Englische ist nicht immer besser!
Idina - an actress who sings
Willemjin - a singer who acts
Potato Tomato nailed it
bullshit, Willemijn is a FANTASTIC actress
Idina - a singer with no talent
Willemjin - a singer with talent
*FTFY
@@Kyoko1411 no one said she isn't
@@Rosannasfriend youre just making a fool out of yourself at this point .
In terms of Wicked, I certainly think that Idina nails the emotion of the character better. Her acting is so raw and beautiful and perfectly captures Elphaba. However, in terms of actual singing and technique, Willemijn soars above her I think. And it is all down to correct technique which allows her to sound so natural even in the higher notes. A lot of the time when I listen to Idina nowadays I worry that she's going to seriously injure herself and her voice because she seems to be straining her voice more often than not. But anyway, love them both! These guys are legends!
Lizzie Stewart perfect way to explain it
Yeah, but I think it's also because Willemijn is dutch, so when she played the role of Elphaba in Germany, on Broadway and on West End, she had to do it in a foreign language and I think that makes it harder because you also have to focus on correct pronunciation etc., while Idina played the role in her native language. I saw Willemijn performing the role of Elphaba in the Netherlands in her native language and she's a really good actress and also makes a perfect Elphaba for me, as well as Idina. They're both great actresses.
There's even one thing I definitely like more on Willemijns Elphaba, she's portraying the weird quirks of Elphaba so perfectly and genuine as no other could ^~^
@@blackblossomjojo4599 I mean I got to see Willemijn's Elphaba on Broadway during her 2013 run, and I was not disappointed. I've never seen Idina in the role, but her singing on the OCR simply isn't up to the same level.
I've finally figured out what drives me crazy about Idina's voice - she sounds constantly out of breath, while Willemijn's sounds effortless but still forceful. SHe's a fantastic performer but her belt makes me so worried one day it'll just leave her.
From things I have read, multiple sources, Idina isn't someone who takes care of her voice as well as she should be considering how she sings. If she did, there wouldn't be as many videos on youtube with her missing a few notes or not being able to belt the right note.
Exactly! People who are blindly fans of her constantly try to make excuses for her bad technique, but as she's getting older now and voices mature, it's becoming more and more noticeable.
Whitney and Mariah are 2 perfect examples of performers who didn't take care of their voices like they should have and on top of that, hitting those high notes does do vocal damage. Mariah can't hit those really high notes anymore. They were amazing back in their day, but when they made comebacks, couldn't perform at the levels they used to.
If Idina took care of her voice and learned proper breathing techniques, she would still be able to belt today. Not as high as she used to, but close. Willemijn's voice is absolutely stunning. I do still love me some Idina, but there isn't a comparison. I watched a video done by Lindsey Mendez while she was Elphaba and one of the videos, she shows how she takes care of her voice. Everything she uses and how often.
Lindsay Mendez is such a queen, I love her. She's another example of effortless vocals, but still forceful when necessary.
Willemijn is the better singer, but Idina brings so much emotion into it. I like both.
She brings emotion because she's struggling, sorry not sorry
@@Kaylee-uk7pn That's fair. I love both of them, and I don't know anything about singing, so who am I to judge?
Violett Bellerose haha it’s alright, I’m an Idina Stan so I know what her singing voice sounds like. Idina’s voice is more powerful, and can project stronger and louder. But when it comes to Willemijn she has more control over her voice and can hit higher notes within her range which is also very powerful. I think they are both very great singers. It’s sad to see them constantly being compared. Idina’s voice might not be the same anymore but her voice is improving during this past quarantine. Some clips here she was either sick or her voice wasn’t good that day, i only know that because I always check and dig around for any information I can get on her 😂💗. But yeah!
Violett Bellerose you don’t have to worry because you have the Fanzels here to tell you if she was sick that day or not. No worry’s!
@@Kaylee-uk7pn I agree, they shouldn't be compared that much. What were your thoughts on their performance in the oscars? When they sang "into the unknown"? (not to compare them, just that that's the only time I've seen them sing together)
That Defying Gravity from Willemijn is INSANE. I don't know how many times I watched it and I cry every single time!
This is how it is. Wilejmin needs to head a broadway production to get the same attention. I saw her live in Rebecca as Mrs Denvers and she really has a fab voice. Really loud and clear.
she was on broadway and west end…
They are both breathtaking when you see them live. I've been fortunate enough to see them both star in a musical, Wicked (Verkaik) and If/Then (Menzel) respectively and they are both incredible performers. Idina has a certain aura to her when she is on stage, which is just magical. Your eyes are automatically drawn to her, even if she just takes a breath. There is no way to describe her live performance because no recording ever will do justice to it. That being said, Willemijn is clearly superior when it comes to technique and control. The way she can manipulate her voice is just out of this world. There is a reason she has played Elphaba for 10 years in four countries, she is just that good.
I personally don't like the idea of comparing professionals. Being a professional singer is a very tough job and obviously to get there you have to work really hard and develop a range of skills and control. I believe, or at least hope that everyone in the theatre business are good and have technique, or else they wouldn't be there. But everyone is at a certain level and everyone have different voices, weak points and strong points. Idina has control and she definitely had way better performances - everyone's allowed to mess up and she does and it's okay. Although Willemijn has better control and a better belt, she sometimes messes up too or her belt sounds too excessive. It happens, their both just humans and still all of us look up to them, believing they have superpowers (although, I am myself convinced they do)
I agree overall with what you're getting at but purely on the evidence of the clips provided here, Verkaik has superior control (objective), tone (maybe subjective) and projection (objective). So if we're analysing technique, she is the better singer.
were we listening to the same vid??? xD sis we know you stan Idina and my God she is one hell of a talent but Willemijns knocked her out of the park vocally. Also, any artist whether they're professional or not is open for critique. Both Verkaik and Menzel have played most of the same roles so comparisons are going to be made naturally. Also saying Idina has control.....i meaaaaan are we talking about control over the audience? cause yeah she does.....but vocal control.....i meaaaaaan in the past yeah to an extent. now not so much....
Comparisons are inevitable.
It really is unfortunate that Idina didn’t learn to take care of her voice from a young age. Willemijn is only 4 years her junior. (At 46 and 42) And Id imagine Idina was much younger when she did Elphaba In 2003-05 because Willemijn was still in the role in London last spring (2017).
Willemijn first played Elphaba in the German version of Wicked (2007 - 2011) and then went on to the Dutch version (2011 - 2013). After that she was Elphie on Broadway (2013) and at the West End (2013 - 2014, 2017).
I had the pleasure to meet her in person when she starred in the show here in Germany and see her perform three times
LizBen@ I don’t like the German lyrics! I think we shouldn’t translate the Songs
@@tompraeger you mean we shouldn't?
Alex Papasozomenos yes
tompraeger That’s quite selfish
Willemijn is the better singer, but Idina is the better actor. I'd prefer to hear Willemijn sing those songs out of context in a concert. but if I'm watching the entire musical and following the characters it's Idina all the way - I need to feel the pain and fear of No Good Deed rather than watching a performer showing off her lungs.
Jarod Rhine-Davis Idina is not a better actrice lol.
I've never seen wicked with Idina (I started watching Wicked much later). But I have seen wicked with Willemjin and she's the only Elphaba to give me chills in that song (for context I've seen wicked with about 6 different Elphabas. Willemjin is by far the best)
Actually, Elphaba from the books is not an emotional person. So Willemijn just played the 'original' Elphaba perfect + perfect singing! :)
Willemijn shows more emotion than Idina during No Good Deed! Her "uh" before the second verse is proof.
I saw Willemijn several times here in germany. She is brilliant in everything. She can sing AND act and make you feel the emotion of the character
Willemijn player the role of Elphaba for 10 years and her voice is intact. That's the result of great technique.
Okay wait, I’ve seen plenty of performances where Idina does fantastic at “let it go” and “rain on my parade”. I’m not saying she’s better than Willemijn because that woman has major talent! but some of these are poor examples to compare.
I totally agree! I just saw her in concert 2 weeks ago. I’m not schooled re technique, but when she sang Defying Gravity, there was an electric feeling in the theatre. She wasn’t straining. She was relaxed and in command of herself. Her voice just resonates with me and it was a fantastic performance and the audience had a great time. Isn’t that what it’s about?
Can you point me one time she sang Let it go in a "fantastic" way? ive never seen one .-.
@@MsMisidolos here. ua-cam.com/video/6IeBKtuEhzQ/v-deo.html Besides the one high note (ofc she's straining that time after putting her voice on Frozen), everything was perfect.
what rain on my parade was a bad performance???
@@juswakun I heard a couple of places where she strained.
Willemijn is far superior in every way vocally. Her tone, her range and her effortless ease. I'm always scared watching Idina if shes going to make the notes at all.
Willemijn is vocal perfection
My favourite Elphaba, in general, is definitely Idina. She has such a distinct stage presence and a charming voice that just screams “Wicked Witch” to me. She’s through and through an actress and does have an amazing vocal ability.
However, Willemijn has the technically ‘better’ voice. She has a healthier belting technique and even a better breathing technique, by the sounds of it (I know people say Idina always sounds out of breath but sometimes you can tell she really is out of breath). But she’s not as good of an actress, with not nearly as iconic of a stage presence as Idina.
Both are good. Both are incredible at what they do. But to me, Idina was built for Broadway, whereas Willemijn was built to be an amazing singer. Idina is more of a performer, and most certainly more of a misunderstood wicked witch - at least to me, that is.
totally agree. you put it beautifully.
Yes, I completely agree as well! Idina is definitely the better actress and has more stage presence. When she sings defying gravity, I believe that it's Elphaba singing it and you can hear the emotion behind the words. When Willemijn sings it, it just sounds like she is simply singing the song. Yes she sings it better than Idina but Idina has the whole package. Listen to both of them say "nobody in all of oz, no wizard that there is or was....", who sounds more convincing and passionate? I would rather watch Idina on stage, just my opinion.
Yes, Willemin sounds like she ought to be recording original songs not be in musical theatre.
Totally agree!!! Actually I really love idina for her stage presence and acting... But there is one song where verkaijk really nailed it even better - much better-than idina. It's the German version of no good deed (Gutes Tun) which is great! I don't know if it's live or not but her singing is much better than idinas. You can almost see her acting just by listening to her. But I still love idina, she is an amazing singer!!! Sorry for my bad English I'm german
Idina elphaba has more relatable facial feature n expressions
I love Willemjin, I’m soooo glad our Germany got her for Frozen as Elsa’s voice 👏🏻👏🏻❤️❤️
I prefer Willemijn in every song!!
But the thing is she kinda can't act I would prefer her a concert not on a Broadway stage
Even in take me or leave me i disagree so bad
hamilton trash same when i watched her acting on Defying gravity when she looked at Glinda i couldnt take it serouisly i do agree she would be better in concerts
hamilton trash hello i love hamilton too
I can't even put in words how grateful I am to have Willemijn sing the official German version of Wicked as well. Her Defying Gravity will always manage to make me cry a river. Instant goosebumps whenever she's singing.
As many people have already commented, I prefer Idina's acting and Willemijn's singing but they're both fantastic in their own way! Musical theatre is such a demanding job and they both nail it but it's nearly impossible to master equally all three art forms involved (acting, singing, dancing)! So nothing but endless respect for both of those queens!
Willemjn sounds so much better. She has a bearable tone that doesn't screech or scream. I can't stand screaming.
Sarah Hamilfan Hi princess. Its what 'Sarah' means.😉
Willemijn has a good sense of mask placement which gives a sense of dimension and resonance to her voice. Idina’s Voice is very thin and scratchy to me.
Exactly! Her 'Let it go' is just so much more soulful and pleasant.
@@Platinum400 there is no such thing as "mask placement"
@@giannis_tar Tell that to Mitch Grassi. It's mostly head voice, with enough falsetto and pushing it forward more into the front of your face, to where it resonates more in your nose, and has a twangy/whiny/"ng" kind of sound to it.
What makes Idinas voice standout and the reason (in my opinion) she’s had so much success is not because she can hit higher notes than other women or hit them better. It’s because she has an incredibly distinct tone. You instantly recognize her when she sings. Willemijn sounds amazing but she sounds like 100 other women who’ve sang this part well. She may be technically “better” but she’s not distinctive. That’s my 2 cents anyway lol.
Lmao you recognize Idina because you hear a flat voice that’s having a hard time keeping up. And that’s the tea.
I never fully realized how often she went flat/off key until I listened to them side by side. I've never been a fan of hers but now I know why!
@Olivia Di Spigna She only ever finds her notes by accident, I don't care how unique your voice is technique and skill matter. For a Broadway singer being able to sing in key day after day is a must, you can't just sound good in the studio. Also willemijn is incredibly distinctive her voice is very unique, she just doesn't randomly go off key every other note.
That makes sense
That’s very true
I have to say, I do love the simplicity of Idina's defying gravity war cry.
UhahaAH
Love idina
Idina's high notes almost always relies on raising her larynx and almost screaming. While the other singer is much more controlled in almost everyday way, larynx, breath, etc. Idinas voice has never impressed me the way it has a lot of people. But, i think she has great stage presence and you can tell she loves every second she's on stage, which is important.
What's sad is you can definitely tell the screaming idinas been doing her whole career has really caught up to her as she's gotten older. Her recent high notes are so insanely strained and often go out of key. She's obviously a legend, but it's sad to see someone's voice get destroyed because of improper belting of high notes.
The other singer has a name and it’s Willemijn Verkaik.
Verkaiking yeah, I know it's in the title. Just didn't think I needed to say since there's only 2 singers in the video. And I was mostly just talking about idina. Didn't mean any disrespect to Willemijn, was only completing her.
:)
Ur right and it’s sad cus she’s not a bad singer or anything it’s just her technique is awful
@@verkaiking7450 😂😂
I really like them both. I love Idina more (although her voice may not be as good as Willemijn) because my entire life I grew up with her voice and she has such a great personality.
While I can admit she is not as good at singing as Willemijn, that doesn't change the fact that she is still an incredible singer. I don't think she deserves all these people saying she sucks when there are people far worse than her who are more popular...
Can we please take a moment to talk about the fact that Will sang that "Let It Go" sitting DOWN? Thank you.
My beautiful queen SLAYS !!! 😍🥰
Lets just all admit that both lady’s are excellent at what they do.... both sound awesome and we all cant even come close too what they do
Willemijn is the dutch equal to idina they sound so much alike
I love it
And love them both
Dutchie here
I don't think they sound alike, Willemijn has a warm voice, and Idina sounds screechy and forced in my opinion.Idina sounds better during recording sessions.
Willemijn makes me feel rest assured as a listener. This is so important for a singer to do for their audience. As I listen to Willemijn I am fully confident in her. As I listen to Idina I brace myself for the high notes...she might hit it, she might not.
Before I sound too harsh on Idina though, as an actor she's much stronger than Willemijn and probably the best Elphaba ever AS AN ACTOR. 4:46 gives me chills. "And nobody...in all of Oz...no wizard that there is or was." And that final "aaahhh!" is outstanding as she reigns triumphant. What a war cry. Willemijn's is beautiful but very pleasant and technical.
So I can see why people have different answers.
It's no contest. Verkaik has a FAR superior voice and more command of her instrument than Menzel. In fact, EVERY actress that has taken on the role of Elphaba has easily out-sung Menzel, who admitted years ago that she never wanted to be a Broadway singer, but a pop singer. She would have been much better served in pop. Even so, I felt she acted the role very well, but her thin, pitchy, nasal voice with limited range just isn't pleasant to listen to and not suited for musical theater.
Willemijn just makes every note look and sound effortless! Idina is amazing but always looks like it’s harder for her to do.
Is no one gonna acknowledge that Willemijn did Let it go IN THE AIR??? Like WOW.
Her voice is so good, she was STILL defying gravity even when playing a different character 😂
AND she was sitting down
Willemijin's Defying Gravity is so beautiful it makes me wanna rip my vocal cords out! Her riffs literally makes me say "ugh" outloud everytime I hear them
Willemijn is so much better. Love her voice!
It is so effortless for Willemijn, and her pitch is spot on.
I love them both, Idina is an amazIng actress and Willemijin is an amazing singer. Can’t we just be kind to both of them?
Anyone that even considers Idina to be better is delusional, just listen to them now Idinas voice doesn't hold up now and it didn't during wicked she simply isn't controlled enough to sing insane vocals like Willemijn, she has so much control and generally a voice id actually want to listen to unlike Idinas
Charlie .Toland i prefer idina, idk y. i know her technique is trash, but she draws me in. like i’d rather listen to Willemijin, but i’d buy a ticket to see idina
- Don't cry for me Argentina
Tie
- The Wizard and I
Willemijn, sounded more healthy.
- Let it go
Willemijn, again, more healthy. The belt was pure and powerful.
- No good deed (Both)
Idina. Pictured the emotion very well. If it wasn't for that, it would be a tie.
- Don't rain on my parade
Willemijn. Better technique. (Idina was singing for Barbra; that's so cool).
- Defying Gravity
Willemijn. The F5 was very great, wth.
- Defying Gravity (Ending)
Idina. so powerful.
They're equally talented. No more words.
I really love both of them! Idina has such a unique voice and tone that have made her instantly recognizable. She has created some of the most beloved characters in musical theater and made a lasting impact on the MT/Disney universe by creating characters like Elphaba, Maureen, and Elsa. She voices one of the most independent and strong Disney characters and she has one of the more powerful of the stereotypical "princess" voices but still sounds like a Disney princess. Willemijn is incredible as well. Their voices are both amazing, but Idina has influenced a generation with her vocals and I think has a more distinctive tone.
omg the video i’ve been waiting to see!
This is late but whatevs this is my opinion:
They are both super talented and powerful women who shouldn’t be compared or put against each other
Just saying...
Then just enjoy the two different approaches.
Agreed!!!!
Helur THANK YOU
Idina always screams the high notes very rough, and doesn't has a good way to blend high notes with the cords she sang before. Wilemijn blends the notes and has enough breath for them because of this she sings better than idina. My opinion
Willemijn simply better. I’m not a huge Idina fan, but when it counts she makes a note and a character a superstar. Idina create Maureen, Elphie, Elsa. Credit given, but to me, these songs have been improved with new vocalists. Willmejin is always clear, well placed and technically better.
I don't think you can really compare them. Willemijn is vastly superior. She has a much better technique and thus creates a much richer, less nasal and less concerning sound than Idina. Every time I hear anything from Idina, I worry about the damage she is doing/has done to her voice as everything she sings sounds so forced and as though she is in pain.
Willemijn is just in much better vocal shape. Simple as that.
Willemijn’s voice has such an element of purity and effortlessness that Idina’s just doesn’t have. Don’t get me wrong, of course Idina is an incredible singer, but Willemijn just nails everything she does with such clarity and ease!
They're just absolutely incredible, both of them. I really like the assessment that's being made here about Idina being an actress who sings while Willemijn is a singer who acts. Definitely mad respect to Willemijn for performing Elphaba in three languages (English, Dutch and German). Honestly, one of the things that made me love the new Frozen film was the fact that Idina Menzel's Elsa is voiced by Willemijn Verkaik in German, so the longest performing Elphaba does the German voice of the original Elphaba.
Absolut Team: Willemijn Verkaik, she is the best. I love her voice so much
🥰👌
i personally think the key to singing is singing extremely hard notes while making it seem like the easiest thing in the world and willemijn definitely does that
Don’t cry for me Argentina: Willemijn
The wizard and I: Idina
Let it go: Willemijn
No good deed: tie (literally couldn’t choose)
Don’t rain on my parade: Idina
Defying Gravity: Idina nailed the first part but Willemijn nailed the final notes so I’d say another tie
The leaves the final scores!
Idina: 4 points
Willemijn: 4 points
They’re tied cause they’re both amazing!
I think Idina is a better Elphaba and Willemijn is a better Elsa though
I agree I mean I love both in both roles but I think Idina shows the emotions better in Wicked, while Willemijn does in Frozen.
Wow I actually think Willemijn plays the better Elphaba Cause she performed No good Deed and DG so great!Not technically but also emotionally!
Willemijn did a really great job as german Elphaba though
I just think willemijn is far superior in Both Roles
No!! Definitely Willemijn was better singing Defying Gravity! And don't rain on my parade too, because Idina was out of breath at the end. She couldn't hold the note.
Watching Willemijn perform Wicked in German (esp No Good Deed) is positively Wagnerian, it's amazing.
WILLEMIJN VERKAIK FOR LIFE, SHE'S QUEEN
Above all Willemijn is an absolutely perfect piano player. No one plays Disney songs as lovely and powerful as her.
Willemijn hands down plus she sings in at least three different languages. She's an amazing German Elsa.
Oh shit from 1:53 until 1:59 I can almost feel the hurt in her throat
I saw Willemijn live at a concert last year and it was INSANE! I had wanted to see her for ten years, it finally happened and she killed every song with her amazing technique and emotion. In the end, she sang a wicked-medley and I cried.
I love and admire them both so much! I can't choose!
Idina feels more like screaming at the top of her longs. Willemijn has more technique that shines through. Plus, she does most performances in English-Dutch-German. If she was on Broadway, she'd own it.
I remember seeing Willemijn Verkaik in Wicked, the Dutch version, and I was absolutely blown away by her vocals!
Idina all the way she is amazing!!❤️
4:38 that deFYing gravity is so insane omg
Willemijn definitely sounds healthier but something about how Idina songs the other notes, not just the highest, is much nicer to me. Man it’s so impressive what singers can do with their voice though theyre both amazing
I like Idina Menzel. Her voice is made for the stage
i get what a lot of people are saying but we are also looking at random clips. I would say that Idina is a standout vocalist. I've seen her live and she can be flawless. What makes her her is ability to have enotion, and have a strong belt. and to be fair, she really does always get asked to sing the hardest fucking songs and everyone wants her to sing them ALL THE TIME and that can get weary. But I also am a fan of Willemijn's voice
These ladies are amazing vocalists, they both were awesome as Elphaba and they were awesome as Elsa, such wonderful singers
They’re both amazing and we probably have no right to judge them since few can sing like that live
Idina’s voice is def an acquired
taste, but I feel like her best days are behind her. She over exerts her voice constantly. I'm not sure if it's a lack of proper training (does anybody know what her background is), or just her raw enthusiasm and passion, but I feel like her voice is constantly shot, scratchy, and very unreliable. Willemijn is by no means perfect, but she hits vibrato on those belt notes that sound flat when Idina sings them. They're both insanely talented, I just think Willemijn has the technically better voice.
For a concrete example: listen to no good deed.
Edit: If this were a contest of acting, it’d be a different story
Lauren Coates Basically its all the above. She blasts and screams through everything these days, all the sound is coming from her throat rather than any diaphragm support with chest activation, and while her “acting” is nonchalant and unspecific, I give her credit for always willing to give into emotion and character, but it’s at the expense of her already not properly trained voice. Even the best voice teachers in NYC will train you technically in a way that doesn’t wreck your voice at the expense of acting. They work congruently with each other, and I wish more people would see and know this.
I don’t actively dislike Idina, but I’m not an active fan either, she’s just majorly overrated, especially when there’s other ladies who can do what she can do, if not better.
Wow. While I think Idina is known for her wild abandon, it can get incredibly annoying, because you never know if she'll manage to HIT the note from one performance to the next... Willemijn Verkaik is definitely more polished, though I thought the end of her "defying gravity" started sounding like she was a country singer...
willemijn is a dutch lady who sings in dutch, english and german. dont forget that. her voice is so amazing, really does something for me. but then again maybe other would have prefered lemmy from motorhead to sing frozen.
I prefer Idinas voice 🥰 it’s more unique
They have both performed in front of casting directors and landed leads on Broadway shows and elsewhere. Getting into a pissing war over who’s better is pointless and a matter of personal preference. I applaud them both. 👏
Willemijn is the better of the two
Willemijn is definitely the better singer -- her voice is much more powerful and refined, and she can hit the high notes without having to force it. I feel like Idina sometimes screams to get the higher, most intense notes, and it can come off as strained. But I like the emotion Idina brings to her performances -- I think Idina's performance of Elphaba is the best because I like the performance she gave--very emotional and intense even with the flaws.
There is no contest. Willemijn is incredible. Idina got lucky.
5:47 That moment when you realize Verkaik hit four G5’s FLAWLLESSLY...
For me:
Idina for vocal tone and emotive qualities
Willemijn for technique
i bet if you asked idina what belting is she would say "chest voice"
and if you asked willmeijn what belting is she would sat "reinforced mix"
So Willemijn sings and acts in Dutch, German and English.
That's really amazing 😍❤️
Love them both. I wish Willemijn can get much more recognition.
Idina, she brings more emotion and liveliness into everything and I love her voice!
Idina's belting are the most unhealty thing i have ever heard in Broadway, and i did heard lot's of Elaina Stritch baby hahahahaha
It must suck to be Idina Menzel and know that there's another woman out there doing all the same roles and songs you're famous for but thoroughly out-singing you and out-classing you in every possible way. Willemijn eats Idina's vocals for lunch.
(I will say I prefer Idina's version of "And nobody in all of Oz..." because she's just so vicious and angry.)
As soon as I clicked on this video I KNEW it was going to be spicy
Sure Willemijn voice is perfect, it’s sounds healthy and clean. But i don’t get the chills like I do with Idina (well except that Defying Gravity riff, insane!). Maybe it’s because Idina’s voice is so “raw”, but it’s so full of emotions and power!
Don't cry for me, Argentina - Idina
The Wizard and I - Willemijn
Let it go - Idina
No good deed - WILLEMIJN!!! IT'S AMAZING!!!!
Don't rain on my parade - Willemijn or Idina... But they are both good! I can't chooce one... well, they are both amazing!
Defying gravity - Willemijn (do you hear that AAAAAA fron Idina and that AHAHAAAA from Willemijn?)
I love that Willemjin doesn't need to be dupped in german - she's the more powerful witch 😉
As a voice teacher, I was astounded to see Menzel stick her tongue out, to avoid back of throat tension on a high note- works in the studio, NOT on stage!!!! Willemjin, OTOH, had a totally relaxed tongue, no veins sticking out on her neck, and was just nailing the tones. NO comparison. Verkaik is a singing actor. Menzel is an actor who thinks she could sing...and now, barely does.
Can’t believe people say idina is better. Idina screams, is most of the time out of breath and sounds like she’s tryin to reach out to dolphins... Willemijn sings with such ease.. hitting the high notes without screaming and with a pleasant voice. I heard Willemijn Many times live and everytime She amazes me!
both are amazing and have so much talent ♥️
Willemijn. Ever and always Willemijn.
I CANT DECIDE OVER THESE QUEENS👑👑❤️❤️
They’re both queens but totally different and amazing in their own way - stop comparing them
I love them both, respect for what they do🙌
Willemijn is so much better. Probebly why they gave her a short line at the oscars. Idina knowes it.
Watching this reminded me why Willemijn is so magical to watch as Elphaba
Willemijn without a doubt.
She kinda can't act as idina she doesn't fit on the Broadway stage I she can sing but she can't act and idina has had more achievements
@@hamiltontrash9255 which achievements? Being longest-running Elphaba? Being Elsa in *multiple* languages? Doing everything from Mamma Mia to Kala in Tarzan to Elizabeth (there's a signature song Idina would crumble at) to Killer Queen in WWRY? It's not fair to just compare Tony nominations when none of the shows Willemijn has been in qualify due to geography.
Ok 1st I'm a huge fan of both. Regrettably I've never got the opportunity to hear them live. I only have 1 small gripewith comparison of these two AMAZING talents. Can anyone find a song that "Willie" has done first THEN Idina? I almost feel that one person gets to hear the other and finds ways to improve/ make her own. Maybe it's me, maybe it's just the way they have their own approach to tackle the music. Responds and comments appreciated! 🤗