Can a Y6 do anything better?

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  • Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
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    Table of Contents:
    00:00 - Intro
    00:52 - Why consider anything but an X4?
    01:37 - Justin Skinner's awesome videos
    03:23 - Basic numbers breakdown
    06:44 - Coaxial and thrust imbalance review
    09:23 - Expected performance increase
    10:52 - LOS flight
    14:21 - Y6 FPV Flight
    17:12 - X4 FPV Flight
    20:32 - Final remarks
    21:37 - More about the Y6 build
    23:19 - More about the X4 frame
    Motors: fpvcycle.com/collections/motors
    23mm Tall in 1860kv were used on the Y6, not available (yet maybe)
    Frames: bit.ly/3FgiIeN
    The flight controller: bit.ly/3HjXmPu
    That X4 frame at the end: bit.ly/3ncWjZC
    MUSIC
    The music came from one of our own in the industry and he's really good too:
    udachi.bandcamp.com/album/los...
    One of the more useful research papers I used on coaxial setup inefficiencies:
    bit.ly/3FkZRiV
    Summary:
    The Y6 platform, when built to be as apples to apples as possible with an X4, will have a more solid 'footing' in the air, be able to maintain speed more efficiently and will have better control at speed. It's ability to maintain speed comes from it's ability to manage more load in general; it doesn't matter if that load comes from weight or moving quickly, load is load and it's got more props and motors.
    Conclusion:
    The Y6 and really anything with more motors/rotors will not have as high of a top speed and have worse 'throwability'/no throttle aero properties. All in all, the platform is useful for filming at speeds and very fun to fly but a bit more complicated than necessary to regularly fly for fun.
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  • @kelvinwolf225
    @kelvinwolf225 2 роки тому +23

    I remember when you taped up a quad to prove that the airflow in between the stack has an effect on performance. Now you're on a whole new level of innovation. It's insane that a passionate Dentist can do so much in his spare time. You and Chris Rosser working together is gonna shoot the hobby into the future

  • @martinmfuchs
    @martinmfuchs 2 роки тому

    This was very interesting, as your videos usually are! Thanks for putting the time and effort in, Bob!

  • @strawhatsam
    @strawhatsam 2 роки тому +2

    Your flight comparison between quad and Y6 was super insightful and I'm so glad you took the time and effort to do this testing!

  • @the_darkside_fpv
    @the_darkside_fpv 2 роки тому +2

    This was super interesting. I appreciate all the hard work and effort you give to the hobby.

  • @Sbruce8887
    @Sbruce8887 2 роки тому +1

    Great to see you back !!

  • @quincypurcell5222
    @quincypurcell5222 2 роки тому

    Great to see another vid from you, I love your insights into aerodynamics and just everything about drones 🙌

  • @md.m.8372
    @md.m.8372 2 роки тому +3

    Nice to see an upload from ya Bob 💯🙏🏼👌

  • @ofiasdfnosdf
    @ofiasdfnosdf 2 роки тому

    Great to see you putting out innovative content again!

  • @bushcrafter6416
    @bushcrafter6416 2 роки тому

    Cutting edge, Wow so glad to see people in the hobby are pushing new ideas foward, Great vid Thanks!!!!

  • @nadieselgirl
    @nadieselgirl 2 роки тому

    Fantastic comeback, this a pretty thought provoking.

  • @NicuIrimia
    @NicuIrimia 2 роки тому

    I am happy to hear that you are ok and I love the flight footage. I am so spoiled now.

  • @ronbo422
    @ronbo422 2 роки тому

    Glad to see you back, Bob. There are so many dynamic components to the Y-6. Motor stagger, prop blade counts, oh my. But it seems that it fills a need...which is good!

  • @remainsmemories626
    @remainsmemories626 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks to your videos I passed my exam on aerodynamics: I used theories about prop size and pitch that I got from your videos and they got me through!

  • @Noidfpv
    @Noidfpv 2 роки тому

    Yes! Love it. Glad your back.

  • @yannickg6904
    @yannickg6904 2 роки тому +50

    Some builds don't necessarily make sense, they're just too cool to pass up.

    • @fourlovefpv9095
      @fourlovefpv9095 2 роки тому +3

      Took the words I came with to share. On point!

    • @yannickg6904
      @yannickg6904 2 роки тому +1

      @@fourlovefpv9095 I've been thinking about a 3in Y6 ever since I watched this clip, Something fast with 1407s.

  • @Atlas_FPV
    @Atlas_FPV 2 роки тому +1

    Can I just say that quad frame looks so good. Here comes the Y6 craze haha, please post more Bob I love your videos.

  • @gpegasusm
    @gpegasusm 2 роки тому +25

    I would recommend you try, if you haven’t already, all twin blades again but with a higher pitch prop on the bottom.
    I believe that running the same pitch on the top and bottom of a coaxial setup could be the culprit of that “stuck in second gear” feeling you mentioned.
    The relative airspeed seen by the bottom props is higher than the top prop, and with the RPM of the stack locked, the bottom prop is not working as intended.
    Good luck with the development.
    I always enjoy see your experiments.
    You have more engineering sense than plenty of my actual engineer colleagues lol

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому +8

      Right. Engineering in the real world is different than on paper. I deal with this every day. The science helps but at the end of the day we're dealing with the world we live in. Not spreadsheets

    • @jhughes2286
      @jhughes2286 2 роки тому +3

      I would recommend trying Geep's idea with higher pitch props on the bottom also, I know things are different in the real world but theoretically it does make sense, airplanes used much higher pitch props than quads because of the higher air speeds they tend to encounter constantly during flight. Just saying it's definitely worth trying.

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому +4

      @@jhughes2286 that is what I'm already doing in this video. The lower blades are higher pitch and triblade. If I had steeper twin blades I would put them on the bottom.

    • @Reman1975
      @Reman1975 Рік тому +1

      @@Kabab It's always hard to predict what's going to work best on a Y6 because the bottom blades see the motherload of randomly turbulent air. On a 5" Y6 I built a while back, I found that the then new "DAL Cyclone" something or others worked brilliantly, but my usual 2 blade bullnose blades made it almost unflyable....... It sounded interesting on these though. Quite an "Angry" sound. :D

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  Рік тому +2

      @@Reman1975 this was likely a combination of vibrations along with the varied air pressure exasperating those vibrations. The noise however was probably just wicked 😅

  • @blackforestfpv3046
    @blackforestfpv3046 2 роки тому

    Very interessting topic. Thanks for all the work you put in.

  • @zlachannel8674
    @zlachannel8674 2 роки тому

    omg,,,finally new video,,,i've been waiting news video on this good channel,,,tq sir

  • @Syncopad
    @Syncopad 2 роки тому +2

    BOB IS BACK !!! I haven't flossed in months Bob...Hope to start again..

  • @danielscheuch
    @danielscheuch 2 роки тому

    Welcome back, that new drone goes like crazy

  • @sml2238
    @sml2238 2 роки тому

    nice work dude I actually browsed your channel after also taking some time away from the hobby. so it was nice to stumble upon a new video from you in which you did not disappoint. I really like how you're always looking to improve things in the hobby and bring a lot of real world testing into the mix. cheers bud. also I only floss a couple of times a week but luckily im blessed in that I've never had a cavity in my 30 years of being alive and my gf is a hygienist so I hear it enough from her :)

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому

      😂 hopefully she instills the habit well.

  • @TRITONFPV
    @TRITONFPV 2 роки тому

    Wait. What? A new video? Man you make that spot look awesome unlike me when I fly at the same spot. The Apollo field looks different too. Gonna have to go and check it out 👊🏻

  • @volvotk427
    @volvotk427 2 роки тому

    WELCOME BACK!!! been busy! first video in nearly 6 month!

  • @FlyZoneFpv
    @FlyZoneFpv 2 роки тому

    This is awesome brother. Great info 👍

  • @leazyfpv5521
    @leazyfpv5521 2 роки тому

    Love what yah do Bobby!

  • @derekperez9432
    @derekperez9432 2 роки тому

    Man i kant wait to fly like that...badass bro keep up the kool videos

  • @townc2824
    @townc2824 2 роки тому

    Best day ever in the midwest is when it snows and Kabab posts a new vid

  • @djilly75
    @djilly75 2 роки тому

    Glad your getting to fly again

  • @fooojin
    @fooojin 2 роки тому +5

    Been playing with this idea for high-wind setups, since i fly alot over the sea and done some kite/wind surfing chases in high wind. Nice to see some in-depth info!

    • @Nigfis
      @Nigfis 2 роки тому +1

      That sounds like so much fun. Would it be inappropriate for me to ask you if you'd care to drop a link to one or two of those chases?

    • @fooojin
      @fooojin 2 роки тому

      @@Nigfis ua-cam.com/video/ezuOWJxL78I/v-deo.html that's one of em

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations 2 роки тому

    Pretty impressive... flying machine, Bob! 😃
    Fantastic work! And fantastic flying!!!
    Yeah, the prices are terrible right now... I really hope they come back to a more reasonable level...
    Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

  • @csaltfpv7577
    @csaltfpv7577 2 роки тому

    Keep Pushing!!!

  • @ponzi_bunny
    @ponzi_bunny 2 роки тому

    I love the Y6 i like how it turns!! 💜

  • @quickf0x792
    @quickf0x792 2 роки тому

    welcome back :)

  • @thfpv4974
    @thfpv4974 2 роки тому

    Looks pretty cool and fun 😎

  • @CJDavies
    @CJDavies 2 роки тому

    I've been building (larger) Y6 on custom frames for a few years now, for no other reason than that they're neat looking & people always want to chat about what it is! :3

  • @RCDevotee
    @RCDevotee 2 роки тому +7

    Great to see you back! That Y6 looks like something that would work well for my remote control plane chasing. I have a hard time keeping up with the faster planes.

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому +3

      Yeah that's the whole point. It's not as fast but can move at speed more consistently for longer with better control.

    • @jhughes2286
      @jhughes2286 2 роки тому +1

      Or go 7inch

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому +2

      @@jhughes2286 the next one is going to be a 7.5 in size frame

    • @RCDevotee
      @RCDevotee 2 роки тому

      @@jhughes2286 Yup! Likely going 7 one of these days :)

    • @jhughes2286
      @jhughes2286 2 роки тому

      @@Kabab That will be the new "it" class, I've always tried to squeeze 8inch props on 7inch frames and always felt like a little bigger than 7inch would be perfect for these heavier GoPro 10, 8000mah+ batteries we use on long range quads. This 7.5inch concept is gonna take off!

  • @JuanPerez-kz5ye
    @JuanPerez-kz5ye 2 роки тому

    Nice setup. Always a pleasure to hear your opinion. Your rants are meaningful, particularly motor design and concept.. I’m on the hunt to learn more about motors and how to create a low torque low rpm motor. Tmotor -sells 1 for $2k it can lift 100kg. In time. I await your videos to come.

  • @flipthebird6355
    @flipthebird6355 2 роки тому +1

    That intro was 🔥

  • @TheHarberHangar
    @TheHarberHangar 2 роки тому +1

    I don't know how I came across this video, but I'm glad I did! You did a great job explaining all your experimentation, and I love your approach to trying something "not normal" in the FPV realm because of the possible potential benefits. I'm not surprised you wound up with twins on top and tris on the bottom, as others have pointed out the incoming-airflow difference from top to bottom. I believe others have also suggested twins everywhere and higher pitch on the bottom. Definitely worth looking at for comparison to what you have.
    Another suggestion if possible: Reverse the stagger you have now. Put the top motors BEHIND the bottom motors, so that when at-speed (craft tilted forward) the bottom blades have a 'better' chance at seeing more 'clean' air. Might improve efficiency, thrust, etc, might not. Just thought it's a possible variable to try.
    You have the beginnings of a new configuration, and I think you're only at the tip of the iceberg. I think you've got a lot more optimizing to squeeze out of this platform, but I also think it could surprise you even more.
    Great work!

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому

      I've got some guys in Sweden working on a thrust as tand to test coaxial setups. Also, the stagger is to keep the props out of view of the GoPro. Otherwise I would have done the stagger the other way for sure.

  • @cowboyfpv2464
    @cowboyfpv2464 2 роки тому

    It looks sooo freking cool

  • @marc_frank
    @marc_frank 2 роки тому

    the sound is much cooler ;) nice to see a video again
    if anything, i might have expected tri blade on top with twin blade higher pitch same load on the bottom
    same load balances yaw and higher pitch on bottom helps with generating thrust in already sped up air

  • @dividingbyzerofpv6748
    @dividingbyzerofpv6748 2 роки тому

    Long time no see. Glad to see you are still playing around with weirdness

  • @baggszilla
    @baggszilla 2 роки тому

    Hell yeah brother!

  • @phi-fpv
    @phi-fpv 2 роки тому

    Man that Y flies nice!...Thanks Bob for the 411...

  • @Reman1975
    @Reman1975 Рік тому

    Years ago I built a 10" folding Y6 as a camera platform, I loved how that flew, but couldn't really go crazy when flying it, so I built a similar style folding 5" Y6 as a toy to chuck about when I had time, but would still pack away into a tiny space (Car glove box) when not in use. It was a simple design I thought up that just had a pair of triangular (Well..... More like "Elongated hexagons" TBH) carbon plates to sandwich the stubby 10mm alloy box section arms, with an oblong top plate mounted on rubber standoff to hold the flight/FPV electronics and an action cam. It was pretty robust, not excessively heavy, and it was easy to build without having to go to the expense of getting the plates CNCed or laser cut.
    It wasn't particularly powerful by todays standards (only 6X 2204's on a 3S), but it flew really beautifully, and had the most predictable flight characteristics of anything I'd built before or since. It was outstanding for those days where the weather was great, and you just got the urge to take a detour on your way home from work and find somewhere to run a couple packs through it.
    Unfortunately, I managed to crash it hard one day (Didn't QUITE clear the top bar of a chain link fence while going flat out. :( ), destroying the frame and one of the motors. This was after the UK had just started getting REALLY "Anti drone", and I'd already had a few heated encounters with over opinionated "Karens", so I put off rebuilding it. Then drone/pilot registration came in, and I just decided to ground my RC toys until I could see where all this new legislation was heading........ I haven't seen any improvements in the public/government attitude towards us yet, so I'm still not (Officially) back in the air. :(
    Once the government prompts the mindless public to become outraged by some other harmless hobby, and this takes the heat off RC pilots, I'll have to see if there's a route to "Grandfather" all my old kit back into legal use, and THEN will be the time to "Rebuild" my old freestyle Y6....... Maybe as pocket sized 3" this time? :)

  • @abertheham
    @abertheham 2 роки тому +1

    The ability to hold a high rate of speed that you seek in a quad form factor… 7” and up feels that way for me. I just love the way they cover ground. The 7” Y6 will be a sight to see. I’d build one of those just to haul ass from time to time.

  • @sixtofive
    @sixtofive 2 роки тому

    Very interesting!

  • @chrisballer78
    @chrisballer78 2 роки тому

    Didn’t even start the video and like immediately!

  • @pandemiofpv
    @pandemiofpv 2 роки тому

    muy pero que muy bueno tio !!!! ole ole y ole!!!

  • @PolackFPV
    @PolackFPV 2 роки тому

    good job 🎥🔥🕹

  • @pavelarbakov5532
    @pavelarbakov5532 Рік тому

    Просто шикарное видео!
    Автор ролика очень хорошо всё объяснил и показал. Отличная работа! Я как раз собираю 2 Y6 (980 и 680),уже пробую, но ты летаешь как Бог! А я так,учусь.
    Спасибо большое и всего хорошего бро!

  • @djilly75
    @djilly75 2 роки тому

    Yaaaay Bob's back

  • @RCRitterFPV
    @RCRitterFPV 2 роки тому

    What I was wondering, they look cool

  • @TimmyRC
    @TimmyRC 2 роки тому +1

    Really enjoy the experimenting you do. These kinds of videos always get me thinking, so here are some of my thoughts:
    I think efficiency is very important for speed because higher efficiency means more power is turned into thrust (increasing speed) instead of being wasted, thus lowering the demands on the battery (which tends to be the performance bottleneck). I've found triblades to generally have worse top speed (especially with larger prop sizes like 6 inch), which makes sense because fewer blades is generally more efficient. However, it helps to go up in prop size when moving from triblades to twin blades to make up for the loss of blade area. Lack of blade area is probably why the Y6 flew poorly on 5 inch twin blades. I think twin blades with larger diameter and/or higher pitch would fix that and improve speed compared to the hybrid setup you arrived at in the video.
    It is surprising to me that you got better flight times with the Y6. I would have thought that the inefficiencies of the coaxial motors would have caused worse flight times. My hypotheses on how the coaxial motor inefficiencies were offset:
    - Lower drag due to fewer arms
    - Higher efficiency of the one set of twin blades
    - Props didn't have to spin as fast since there was lower blade loading compared to the X4. Props produce thrust more efficiently at lower rpm.
    As you said, more motors/rotors will generally have worse top speed. I think a traditional tricopter with twin blades would be faster than the Y6 or X4. Less drag due to fewer arms, no coaxial motor efficiency loss, and the improved efficiency of twin blades. But then you are dealing with the added complexity of a tilting motor.

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому

      Tilting motors have never been useful on multirotors unless it's a cinema craft and you're giving it dihedral for stability. I didn't want to use triblades on this because of the reduced efficiency. I'm going with an X8 next and not planning on triblades. Planning on 7.5" on the bottom and 7" on top. The issue with going to larger blade sizes is that they are actually more draggy than a smaller size triblade because the diameter of the blade tends to have a lot of effect on drag. So the overall flight feel is dulled with the bigger blade. Having more blades on the craft however adds that control back in so you can get away with it. The fact that I was able to acheive better efficiency with the Y6 running triblades on the bottom is pretty shocking to me and I think the X8 with all twins and different kv motors will hopefully perform as planned with more efficient crushing at speed and better control vs a traditional 7" quad.

  • @llickmogan
    @llickmogan 2 роки тому +1

    I made one my of source ones into a y4 thru the week I posted it up on the TBS lounge I had 2507 1200kv motors 7inch props it was ok lacked thrust I got over it and turned it back into a quad again but I've mounted the motors underneath the arms and made it a pusher quad

  • @matthewg.5940
    @matthewg.5940 2 роки тому +1

    Great to have you back! What's your thoughts on a traditional layout 5" hex?

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому

      I wouldn't recommend it over a quad. If you have a specific use case where you need excellent fine control and lifting power, that's the only time it will help. Otherwise, you'll get more of everything by just moving to a 6" quad but you will give up a little bit of fine control.

  • @fenrirfpv
    @fenrirfpv 2 роки тому +15

    Now I'm very curious about Y6 7" (or 7.5" as you said) for long range flights. Because if this Y6 efficiency gain carries over to normal speeds, then we could get some impressive new LiIon multirotor LR distances. Still not like a wing, but more than we have now and maintain the tricks a multirotor can do.

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому +2

      It's not efficient in general. It's efficient specifically at higher load tasks.

    • @divingfalconfpv4602
      @divingfalconfpv4602 2 роки тому +1

      @@Kabab so smaller motors more weight in Li-ion . Cruising 35mph or faster to mountain.. 7.5" be great

  • @Adam-kb2mn
    @Adam-kb2mn 2 роки тому

    Hope to see another upload soon.Miss your videos

  • @PhillyDroneLife
    @PhillyDroneLife 2 роки тому

    Loved it and we all need breaks. Enjoy yours.. 💙🤟🤟👊👊🕺🏼🕺🏼
    Mikey

  • @fennbotfpv6968
    @fennbotfpv6968 2 роки тому

    whaaaaa that thing is cooool man!

  • @EAGLEeye835
    @EAGLEeye835 2 роки тому +2

    This was great video, love the concept and innovation. It seems intuitively that the two extra motors are adding to the firm feel in the air by adding physical gyroscopic forces into the frame? (As in how a gyro can balance at any angle on the end of a string) Just my observation as I listened to how you described the flight feel.

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому +1

      It's easy to mistake the gyroscopic effect for what's actually happening with these crafts. In reality there's no gyroscopic effect going on. It's just maintenance of attitude by managing air. Having more controllable things with more controllable surface will always have more stability but at a cost.

  • @0815Bube
    @0815Bube 2 роки тому

    thank god, Kabap is alive

  • @RCRitterFPV
    @RCRitterFPV 2 роки тому

    ok now watching you land on the log...
    I gotta try this..
    2 of the split arm quad and 2 Y's please :)

  • @danielmfpv5475
    @danielmfpv5475 2 роки тому

    This must be one of the first FPV related videos I have seen that has some good music :) could you tell me the name of the track at 19.38?

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому

      Link to tht tracks is in the description. Lots more good music for things like this

  • @KrotowX
    @KrotowX 2 роки тому

    What I learned from this video - how to do two stack build in MacGyver-ish way :D Cool moves AF.

  • @Krunked
    @Krunked 2 роки тому

    HYPE!

  • @seewell8168
    @seewell8168 2 роки тому +1

    I love your videos but if it means you have been taking that time to develop products even better!

  • @bull_shannon_fpv
    @bull_shannon_fpv 2 роки тому

    My favorite kawd of all time... the Flynoceros Ratkawd! By far not my lightest 5"err but coolest nodoubt

  • @userunknown2771
    @userunknown2771 2 роки тому

    Hey, Mate!
    I have built a TP3 and am very happy with it.
    Having fallen in love with FPV, i now am looking for a fullsized Freestyle Build for Bando Freestyling as well as some mountain diving with a Hero 7 and bigger. (Very broad usecase)
    After having taken a look at the top of the line frames, i am split between the
    Prototype 5 and the AOS 5.5 by Chris Rosser.
    What is your take on Durability on both of those Frames?
    The Devil Horn Motor Protectors are a must have for me and the 5.5" Props on the AOS seem like a great way to maximize Flight time, without losing the 5" Power, and the cross-strut Arm Design, seems as if it does handle crashes well.
    On both of these Frames i have not been able to find info on how they crash.
    Do you have experience with both of those frames, and can compare them, since you and Chris are working together?
    Keep the great work up, the TP3 was a great entry to the hobby!
    Greetings from Germany

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому

      First off sorry for the delay. The AOS 5.5 is fine but any prop size larger than 5.1" will not feel as sharp and in control as a typical 5". 5.5" is great if you need the disk loading properties but it's more like flying a 6" than a 5". To me, if I'm going bigger than 5", I'll go straight to 7". 6" doesn't really have much benefit over 5"

  • @mrvintherfpv9954
    @mrvintherfpv9954 2 роки тому

    Okay! I promise to floss my teeth...... IF you upload more often :)

  • @IgnoranceParanoia
    @IgnoranceParanoia Рік тому

    Is this y6 frame available? I can’t see it on your store. I’m looking for my next build, and this looks interesting. Cheers again.

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  Рік тому +1

      Was never made available because it's really not a great setup. It takes a lot of work to provide a frame product. This one unfortunately didn't make the cut

  • @coilockerfpv
    @coilockerfpv 2 роки тому +1

    This video kind of hurt my brain lol, but it was super interesting!

  • @jotham123
    @jotham123 2 роки тому

    I would love to see how much difference perfect CF aerodyamic covers over everything make on speed and efficiency. Especially teardrop profile arms.. lots of work but, no one seems to be trying this.

  • @brandonwoodford579
    @brandonwoodford579 2 роки тому

    I looked yesterday on the website, but couldnt find the frame. I would love to try this frame with the set of 2506 motors I got. Was going to put them on a glide, but since it's gonna be a dji quad, I was super interested in this frame. Are they still somewhere on the site?

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому +1

      The y6 isn't available and won't be available any time soon. The X4 with the new arms is available through a link in the video description.

  • @tibostruyve6753
    @tibostruyve6753 2 роки тому +1

    you should try it with separated rear motors. Meaning, two coaxial pairs in front and two separate motors in the back (I like to call it XY6). I tried this when I was messing around with hexacopters a couple of years back. It made a massive improvement to the flight characteristics and control authority as well as increased efficiency.

    • @MrFadjule
      @MrFadjule 2 роки тому

      So good to see you put out another vid Bob, please do a vid on this guys (EXCELLENT) suggestion!

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому

      Yeah like an X6. I opted against that because you have more frame weight and end up with a heavier quad overall

  • @cecilwilliams8709
    @cecilwilliams8709 2 роки тому

    Glad to see you back.

  • @1stslave143
    @1stslave143 2 роки тому

    Cool project, could you help me with building such a Y6? Did you use Betaflight or what did you use?

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому

      All the flight firmwares out there will do this configuration

  • @flightevolution8132
    @flightevolution8132 2 роки тому +1

    Bob, have you ever looked into brushless geared quads? I've been doing some testing lately and I'm having some pretty incredible results in both flight time and lack of noise.

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому

      The problem with any gearing is that it has overall worse response. Control feel suffers greatly. Otherwise, it's pretty easy to get MUCH better flight time. I half feel like all these human scale racing quads need to consider a gear system because they need to generate more torque, more efficiently and less overall prop RPM. With motors so big, they could up the kv....

  • @cyberathletesarov
    @cyberathletesarov 2 роки тому

    Hi! I apologize for my English earlier, as I communicate with you through a translator. I hope you will understand me. :D I noticed that in your quadrocopter assembly, you take out a capacitor on wires at a distance from the speed controller. In this assembly, I noticed that you also carried the PBF Rush FPV on wires at a distance from the motor controller. Tell me is it possible to do this? Is the efficiency decreasing? I ask because it is not always possible to solder the capacitor and PFB Rush FPV directly to the speed controller, and many of my friends say that it is absolutely impossible to do this since the effectiveness of such a solution is significantly reduced.

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому

      Yes putting a capacitor on a wire is less effective but as long as you keep the length short and the wire is thick or has low enough resistance, it's okay.

  • @Dedmuus
    @Dedmuus 2 роки тому

    The speed helps get clean air to the bottom props helping with efficiency.

  • @olafschermann1592
    @olafschermann1592 2 роки тому +3

    Y4: someone wrote about a Y4 - seems an interesting approach dealing with your weight imbalance. Why not have 2 strong single motors in front and a weaker coaxial pair in the back. And that combined with higher pitch on the back bottom prop because it gets already accelerated air. What impact could a shorter or longer back leg have?

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому +1

      That's a reasonable way to go too but since you already have the annoyance of a coaxial in the back I would just go with a hex because it's not such a big deal at that point. It is a reasonable option to test however.

  • @Skytex1983
    @Skytex1983 2 роки тому

    so curious now as I just finished an event where I tried (and failed horribly) to chase stock cars on a nascar track. Ive got multiple more of these races coming up next year to film so this y6 is intetesting. What would you reccomend for maintaining the highest possible speed for the longest amount of time? especially in very dirty air from the wake of these cars

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому

      Having more blades to control will always help with dealing with dirty air. 5" will always handle dirty air better than any bigger blade too. But 5" just doesn't move fast enough at a steady pace.
      The next thing I'm gonna try is actually building an X8 7" to test the two stage thrust theory. Considering this Y6 is shockingly more efficient than a quad when moving at a pace, I'm gonna see if I can get away with just typical 5" motors on a 7" X8 to acheive higher consistent speeds and improved control from a 7" craft using the same battery I would on a 7" quad. I'm moving to an X8 because I need the top blades as bottom blades to spin independent of one another. That way I can use different motors, props and/or kv on the bottom and it'll actually work properly instead of the FC compensating.

  • @runpuppyfpv5744
    @runpuppyfpv5744 2 роки тому

    I like it I can't belive it flew that good with a loose board honestly

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому +1

      It's just the ESC that's loose

  • @Kabab
    @Kabab  2 роки тому +3

    Motors: fpvcycle.com/collections/motors
    23mm Tall in 1860kv were used on the Y6, not available (yet maybe)
    Frames: bit.ly/3FgiIeN
    The flight controller: bit.ly/3HjXmPu
    That X4 frame at the end: bit.ly/3ncWjZC
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    The music came from one of our own in the industry and he's really good too:
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    One of the more useful research papers I used on coaxial setup inefficiencies:
    bit.ly/3FkZRiV
    Summary:
    The Y6 platform, when built to be as apples to apples as possible with an X4, will have a more solid 'footing' in the air, be able to maintain speed more efficiently and will have better control at speed. It's ability to maintain speed comes from it's ability to manage more load in general; it doesn't matter if that load comes from weight or moving quickly, load is load and it's got more props and motors.
    Conclusion:
    The Y6 and really anything with more motors/rotors will not have as high of a top speed and have worse 'throwability'/no throttle aero properties. All in all, the platform is useful for filming at speeds and very fun to fly but a bit more complicated than necessary to regularly fly for fun.
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    • @townc2824
      @townc2824 2 роки тому

      Can you make it foldable 😉 ?

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому

      @@townc2824 no folding frames please.

    • @townc2824
      @townc2824 2 роки тому

      @@Kabab No? David Windestal has a patent on it 🤣 ?

    • @fpv_wolle_der_dolle6236
      @fpv_wolle_der_dolle6236 2 роки тому

      @@Kabab Hi Kabab, when will the FPVcycle Soniccare frame (the x4 frame from the end of the Video) available again?

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому

      @@fpv_wolle_der_dolle6236 maybe the end of the month. We're just waiting on manufacturing

  • @jonnscott4858
    @jonnscott4858 2 роки тому

    +KababFPV what are your thoughts on the "Axial flux motors - The new hope" used in this hobby?

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому

      We need them to make 7" and up feel better to fly. The issue is the cost of development and difficulty manufacturing. We're working on it but not sure when or if it'll be usable.
      One thing is for sure, we cannot make a small axial flux motor that's better than what we have already. That means 6" and under is pretty much out of the question. We're aiming for 7" but maybe that's even not reasonable. Most likely axial flux will start at 8" or 9"

  • @SensorDelay
    @SensorDelay 2 роки тому

    Haven't finished the video but already want this Y frame. You planning on selling the frame or possibly sell or a Kit like Ummagawd has for the 3Fiddy?

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому

      I'll probably make it available in the next batch of frames

  • @NateBperkins
    @NateBperkins 2 роки тому

    I hope this frame becomes available i love y6 designs

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому

      I don't think this one quite makes sense. I will be making one of these sorts of crafts available once I land on one that's worth the effort. The next one up is an all twin blade X8 using regular 5" motors and parts but different kv's

  • @garrettdegregory5621
    @garrettdegregory5621 2 роки тому

    You mention the improvement in maintainable speed could come from the twin/tri combo acting like a two-stage thrust. This makes me wonder if NOT offsetting the top and bottom motors could enhance this effect further, and if so, if it would be worth the loss in disc area. Anyway, this is neat, I subscribed!

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому +1

      Could be the case but I don't actually think that matters too much because the forward movement at an angle is going to waft air in between the blades more than the offset. The offset is just a really elegant way to tie the arm ends together and add a second motor without much added weight. There are some in the cinelifter world that run 8" twin blade on top with an aggressive 7" triblade on bottom to try and midigate the stuck in 2nd gear effect. It's partially successful. I actually tested the Y6 with 5.5" triblades on the bottom and the same 5126 twins on top and found that the stuck in fear effect was almost entirely gone but the Y6 still is not good at soaring through the air. Maybe not a bad thing however. When you let off the throttle it slows down much faster. It's like air breaks.

  • @LeesEBR
    @LeesEBR Рік тому

    I couldn't quite follow, but at 10:53 you started mentioning the props you're running. From what I could understand, your final setup is 5226-2 on top and 5226-3 on bottom?

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  Рік тому +1

      I'm recording an update on this video right now actually. Hoping to get it up tomorrow. In general I don't recommend this frame or setup.

    • @LeesEBR
      @LeesEBR Рік тому

      @@Kabab Aww. I'm running an EagleWings 5" Frelon with 5145-2 on top and 51477-3 on bottom. It feels like it flies very well, compared to running all bi-blades or all tri-blades.

  • @Gosuminer
    @Gosuminer 2 роки тому

    I would love to see biblades on top and higher pitch biblades on the bottom that can squeeze out some thrust from the turbulent air. Steep biblades should theoretically help with speed and efficiency but your Y6 setup is already surprisingly good in this regard.

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому

      Yes I think that would be ideal but after a lot more testing today I expect the lower blades need to be quite a bit more aggressive.

  • @fredfredburgeryes123
    @fredfredburgeryes123 2 роки тому

    Y6 flight looked like it was on rails, very controlled. I tend to the more "flingy" type of flight, but chasing is fun. I hope this platform goes on to be the go to choice that kind of high speed filming.

  • @gus8378
    @gus8378 2 роки тому

    0:55 What is this capacitor board? It's really cool, does it replace a bigger capacitor like a 1000mF 35V? If it does it could enable some frames to fit the capacitor inside the frame instead of in the battery lead, like in the Fouride.

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому +1

      It's a TVS diode board with some caps on the sides. We have a custom TVS board with cap in production right now too. Much smaller than this one

  • @bradgibson1976
    @bradgibson1976 2 роки тому

    HI MATE, im from the uk and have burnt out 2 escs on 2 crux 3 2s quads in wet grass can you recommend an aio board with motor plugs please?

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому +1

      😑 sorry to hear. Very annoying. I don't actually recommend any aio board. They're all too risky. We have a 25x25 mount FC and separate ESC at FPVcycle.com. It's just a little less risk of burning the whole thing together

  • @dividingbyzerofpv6748
    @dividingbyzerofpv6748 2 роки тому

    When you goto the 7+ inch range... Maybe make use of the 4:1 that are rated for 8s now? Having the option to run to 8s may help those top speeds substantially if the 7inch props can hang together. Still hoping to take my 10inch on 640kv 3115 build to 8s eventually but I am focusing on a car project right now rather than FPV.

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  2 роки тому

      He's currently running just 5S and chasing these cars. The 7" craft he's using right now is sluggish by current metrics. Since the Y6 will use smaller motors and the overall load will still just be a GoPro, I'm expecting 6S to be enough. I am planning on using 2x 3S 2600mah batteries however so you could just use 2x 4S batteries if the ESC could do it so yeah not a bad idea. I like running basic equipment however so I'd just run regular esc's and my 2506.2 motor in a different kv

  • @daniell4161
    @daniell4161 2 роки тому

    Yes finally 😆

  • @djilly75
    @djilly75 2 роки тому

    Omg I totally forgot to floss this whole time 😅 😆

  • @fenrirfpv
    @fenrirfpv 2 роки тому

    24:14 Never feel pressured by us Bob, we love you no matter what :)

  • @BatzBenzerFPV
    @BatzBenzerFPV 2 роки тому

    gooooosebumped🙏

  • @BowOneFire
    @BowOneFire Рік тому

    2:21 how does a tpu mount with that small of a connection to the frame not create bobbles in the footage

    • @Kabab
      @Kabab  Рік тому

      It looks small but it's pretty wide. It doesn't wobble at all.