@@jimmyf9545 Exposing the incompetence & corruption of the Insane Left should be a Crime . . . yes! I hear ole Joe has a Pen Name . . . Robert Peters . . . now it appears he has received over $50 Million . . . he may soon catch up with Barry & Hillary . . . lol
@@jimmyf9545 Shellenberger was interviewed by Joe Rogan and admitted to working for and with George Soros. Make of that what you will regarding which party schill he is.
@@jimmyf9545 The man was a registered democrat until 2021 and his run against Newsom. He campaigned for "abortion rights, gun safety regulation, the $15 minimum wage, universal health care, collective bargaining rights, and alternatives to incarceration for drug-related violations of the law." (HP) He's here documenting for environmental protection. What position did he take that negates all of that and makes him conservative?
Anyone who’ve ever been up close and personal with these giants knows how truly gentle and smart they are. We cannot allow their extinction on our watch! I’m with Michael, our government can’t be trusted to do the right thing. 😢
@@l.w.paradis2108Not sure why you made the insect comparison but, we now know that nearly all insects are pollinators by default. And the most important pollinators aren’t the honeybees but rather every other kind of bee because nearly all bees are discriminatory, only feeding on and therefore pollinating one plant species. So we’re threatening all the rest by focusing on just the honeybee, a largely indiscriminate feeder. Oh and, there’s an insect apocalypse underway, we lose the insects and we’re done too because we depend on them for human habitat here on planet earth. Every living thing has a job to do, a function to perform necessary for the survival of other species. Except us. So maybe reconsider the importance you assign to other species or even if you have the right. Since you/we are the odd man out in the equation. All we do on this earth is consume and destroy.
What a disappointing lack of concern on the part of both Brie and Robby. Especially Briahna who seemed to take pleasure in winning points (she thinks) against their guest. Of course there is a rational argument for saving these whales. Removing the largest animal in the ecosystem wreaks havoc with the other species whose lives are interdependent. Thought that was well-understood.
I founnd both their questions alright. They should be challening and probing expertise. (Although not leaving him the last word is maybe not the best style.) And Shellenberger's relaxed attitude is a delight. This is a spiritual-level mind, so to speak; not driven by fear.
@@Dowlphin if think that was alright your part off the problem ... it was disgraceful , an attempt to lessen his intelligence on the matter ..they both are total hypocrites, say one thing but really want another , to even say " oh i dont want to see them die BUT ?? again disgraceful
@@tator2345Too bad those few good souls can’t make up for all the pain and death we cause or the damage we’re willfully doing to the only life supporting planet in the galaxy.
Can't be said about many people unfortunately. Whales, Elephants, Rhinos, etc. are incredible and need to be protected. The Dodo needs to be cloned back into existence. Same for the Passenger Pigeon.
First we engineers must determine root cause. Learn which frequencies are most harmful. From there, determine which components of a wind turbine cause the most audio noise. Then eliminate to the best degree noise produced in the most damaging frequency. This will be done with changes in mechanical design or added destructive interference tools. Finally, reduce all frequencies, because species other than whale are likely to be impacted by the sonic assault, too. But renewables are essential for planetary survival.
Good luck with getting the government to intervene. 20:years ago as a cell tower project manager, every permit we pulled on a cell site brought a lawsuit for bird protection by environmental groups. Towers make dandy bird perches. But when wind turbines are permitted, almost no argument from the same groups. I never saw a dead bird on any of my tower sites, but I have on wind turbine sites. Like I said, good luck.
The people along the New Jersey shore do not want this ugliness off their coasts. New Jersey has a long history of marine mammal migration that is beautiful. The government will not listen to the majority of the people. FU Phil Murphy.
What decibel level would a speaker need to be turned to, in order to produce the same impact on humans as the acoustics being broadcast in the ocean are on whales? And can we place these speakers in front of the homes and offices of all decision makers involved in this process?
I have a little bit of knowledge about Sound and How it can affect our body, mind, our psychological condition. It is used to heal (Sound healing) - The vibrations lowering or speeding up our frequences and thereby balancing our energies in and around our body - anciennitet knowledge used by people in Tibet/Asia and also Aboreginies in Australia - for healing and meditation. You can use your voice or different instruments. Look up Templesounds - he rocks 🤗Or it can be misused to deliberately terrorize, torture - also check out theories about 440 htz and 432 hrz. I also know a bit about infrasound i.e. often deep sounds that most people cannot hear but some of us can, unfortunately. And it sometimes sounds like a diesel truck with The engine on close to you. Infrasounds coming from also windmills when The vings rotate. And I can image that these deep sounds are also transmitted to The sea. Whales communicate by making sounds that are easily transmitted over long distances in The water. And they are of cause very disturbed by all this Sound coming from also windmils. I read somewhere that Aborigenies in Australia also had instruments they rotated in The air thereby making different sounds that could be transmitted through The air over long distances. Almost their kind of telephoning. Noise pollution is actually a global problem making many people sick in body and mind
Anyone who has watched the 'Our World' doco's, knows that whales use sonar to navigate their surroundings and their pods. When man made loud sounds override and drown the sonar signals of whales they will naturally end up losing their, calves, pods and lives.
Oil production, military activity and commercial shipping are much louder than wind turbines. Where any of these are planned should not be near areas frequented by whales. Just common sense.
I’m so glad he mentioned nuclear power. It’s an incredible source of energy that could solve so many of our power needs. There are risks but the risks are not as great as they once were.
Michael Shellenberger is a gift to humanity. With all these demons in power, we need strong people like Michael to stand up for people or animals that do NOT have a voice. Bravo Michael, my hat goes off to you.
His excuses for the Indian point nuclear power plant are pathetic. And it wasn't AOC shutting it down. RFK's Riverkeepers have been fighting for this closure for 2 decades. In 2015 an electrical transformer in the reactor called Unit 3 exploded, causing water to flood a room near the explosion where electrical distribution panels are housed and pouring 3,000 gallons of oil into the Hudson. Cooled in large part by water from the Hudson - up to 2.5bn gallons a day - it kills about 1 billion fish and other aquatic organisms a year.
I’ve been keeping up with these issues for a Very long time no one is listening, or it’s covered up!!! The things these turbines are doing to birds, whales and other marine life is beyond terrible. It’s horrific. It doesn’t get the much needed attention because it hurts the agenda. Everyone should flooood the whole internet with this issue!!!
There are only 7 wind turbines in operation off the east coast at this point, so what are horrible things they are doing to the whales? Mitigation would be to extent the distance to the shoal where the whales are feeding and away from all critical habitat. No surveying or pile driving during calving season or during migration, speed limits on boats.
They didn't get to the part about how long those turbines are expected to last. I think it's 20 years, then recycle time. It's also notoriously difficult to recycle those blades, regardless. All for a few kilowatts, good vibes, and rewarding some "green" company pushing the scam.
@@sabinereynaudsf The pile driving necessary to install one windmill is/was enough to drive the whales nuts, and by the number of dead whales washing up since then, enough to disorient them to the point where they can't even survive. Maybe the turbines themselves are sending sound waves into the ocean causing the same effect?
I think that response by Bri at the end was a little weird. She said lots of things about Indian Point at the end and quickly ended the show giving no one time to respond to what she said. I have no idea what / if anyone would have responded, but it was not a good look. The guest shot down her points about Nuclear Power in general, so it seemed like she was trying to make some statements as the end relating to a specific plant and then said, got to go!
Oh, but she's not arguing against nuclear power at all! Despite having spent the entire segment arguing against nuclear power, she said at the end that she's in no way against nuclear power! Didn't you hear her? Typical Bri with her intellectual dishonesty.
Well part of the problem is the which source to believe. It would be nice if there was one source for "SCIENTIFIC FACT" but that is not the case. And you can read articles from either side they may not be correct.
Nuclear, geothermal and solar could power the country. They just need to learn how to build Nuclear and spend some money researching geothermal. A billion into researching drilling technology would allow them to drill a lot of holes. Once they perfect that and know how to pick ideal locations it wouldnt take long to scale up quickly.
@peacefulsoul81 She's insufferable. Just another ideologue with a microphone. In this situation, she's presented with an example of a consequence of pushing for alternative energy without thinking it through, and she comes across so indignant.
She’s the reason I couldn’t watch this show anymore. I’m only here because someone on a different video posted this link to explain whales killing themselves because of the sound from the windmills.
so do solar panels, cause the land beneath them doesnt get sunlight, nor heat, nor rain, or anything else, so it creates low energy systems, solar panels on roofs sounds nice, but then birds have less places to rest, if you want to make a city green, you need to understand the native life there, what it needs, then how to create a perfect block, meaning 1 example of green architecture, that meets all the requirements, from native wildlife, birds, mammals, bugs etc, to humans, to infrastructure, for power/water/gas/internet, but until you make your theoretical into practicality, no one cares. theres no point in making a green anything if theres no contemporary example of green energy, otherwise, its just policy and policy makes everyone unhappy...
@@117EnderThe only push back that I would give is that it often takes time to get the technology right and work out all of the problems. Solar panels will probably get smaller and become more efficient.
Also a group in the UK claimed that they are also killing extremely large numbers of wild birds, but the authorities refuse to look into the issue as if true it would really put a different light on there net zero promises.
@@AnaLucia-wy2ii solar panels will never become a primary energy producer, it can be a supplement, as in if ppl place a few panels on their roofs, they use 5% less energy from gas/coal/necular that means 5% less is burned... but solar and wind farms were never gonna power the world they were just able to power everyone's toaster...
I’ve never been more infuriated by Bri and Robby, neither cared in the slightest about these whales. Bri was so focused on proving this guy wrong she argued for killing off an entire species and Robby flat out could care less. Well say goodbye to these whale’s everyone 👍
@slampersand3145 Me too! Their news is merely undeducated opinion pieces. If I want this nonsense, I can just watch MSM! They've lost this viewer and family.
It’s the scale comparison that is weird. Did you not do your homework on the cost and impacts of nuclear and fossil fuels compared to wind????? It’s weird how people accept the impact of wind and solar but totally dismiss the global climate crisis caused by fossil fuels as just background noise.
@@antonioreid534You can worry about fossil fuels but also understand that wind and solar have very big issues. Wind turbines are cut up and buried in land fills. The mining of the minerals for green energy is also horrible for the environment. Wind Turbines is not the answer.
Best of luck in resolving this issue. The green energy sector is a big $ maker, so they aren't going to just lie down because animals of any type are dying.
Nature reserves can be set up in the ocean as well as land, thus protecting sensitive areas where whales occupy more often. This doesn’t have to be very complicated.
Brianna is having a hard time accepting that Wind turbines are killing whales. She tries to twist the spike in deaths to other possible factors. Either she cares for the planet, or not. She picks and chooses to suit her worldview.
Shellinburger is often fire! He does it again! Since the Twitter Files I just love the guy. Go Michael, truth to power, keep em honest! So glad there are still Californians we can be proud of. Thanks Rising, much love to Robbie and Briahna! Amazing on details Briahna, you are thourough with your homework again here. Fire reporting right here!
Yeah, she didn't just listen to expert and allow him go unchallenged. I dont know why she won't just stand with conservatives. I cant stand conservatives who side with liberals though.
@@Flamingtorpedostrike she only challenged experts with whom she disagrees with, when fauci told her to get more shots, she didnt ask questions she rolled up her sleeve
For years, I've been wondering why there have been increased beachings of 🐋 whales in areas that never had wind turbines. Suddenly, turbines go up, and then whales die. I wondered if it was messing with their sonar. Heart breaking 💔 Michael Shellenberger has a new documentary coming out called "Thown to the Wind." It documents the increase of whale deaths around ocean wind turbine farms located throughout the world. Something like 5000 wind turbines. I'll have to watch to learn more.
@Shishakli65 No, however, he mentioned sonar - and it triggered something I was wondering about and suspected, with the limited research I have done. I have been noticing unusual beaching in the surrounding areas. My aunt was in the midst of renting the rights of her 625 acres of land to their electric company for installing wind turbines. When wildlife impact studies were being done, it turned out her property was part of a large bird migratory corridor. The whole project stopped, and a better location was picked. No one is asking more questions about the whales- if sonar from wind turbines affects/negatively impacts them, we need to know. I pray that in our endeavor to bring wind energy to our communities, we don't throw science and caution to the side because of the global warming religion.
@Shishakli65 You said to stop saying it! Now I'm more tenacious than ever...now that someone is trying to stop me from questioning - from even saying it! I'm going to research until I get the answers I seek. The problem is with the mentality that a person can't even say it. That control propaganda definitely comes not from a scientist or even a researcher.
Bri - Michael Shellenberger is a contributing editor to the IPCC reports, so he would know more about Global Warming & what effects Global Warming. “Multi-Factorial” is a scientific way of admitting there may be other causes besides the one we’re discussing. ITC, these wind turbines & their construction can be shown to have killed more marine mammals in that area than all of the others combined (with the possible exception of “boat strikes” which are being caused when these mammals try to avoid the construction zone)!
10:06 Bri: “the waste from that nuclear plant was going into the water supply” 10:49 Also Bri: “it’s not that it’s nuclear waste, it’s that warm water is discharged” 😂😂😂😂
@@sabinereynaudsf it’s not just fine. But it’s easy to mitigate and no cause to shut down an entire plant. If wind turbines could be made to NOT interfere with whales and their sonar we could keep them. But they don’t produce much energy anyway and they are putting an already endangered species further on the brink. Nuclear seems much more plausible, generates way more energy etc.
What we’re doing to our mother, the source of our existence, the body of life that affords us life, our own human habitat. The only life supporting system in the entire galaxy, home to all known life in existence. Goes way beyond heartbreaking. Our actions are omnicidal.
@@dr8nkw0t8r thank you for making that distinction. I have been trying to remind myself -- it is not humans, it is the corporations creating most of the problems we see today. Though there is such a thing as conscious capitalism, and I'm a supporter of it.
A major issue with Indian Point was how old and how far past its original life expectancy the plant was. Boiling water reactors, is a tech developed eons ago and there are safer potential nuclear tech, but private industry is not going to invest, without government handing the tech to them on silver tax platter. We elosee this problem over and over. Another example is developing newer sewage treatment tech. It costs so much for an individual municipal authority to build a new plant, they can't take any chances. Whereas, for the cost of a few F-35 boondoggle planes, the Feds could sponsor a number of demo projects and experiment and absorb some failures, as these failures become part of the learning process.
I'm surprised to hear someone question why we need these whales. We'll know as soon as they are gone and the damage is irreversible. Perhaps instead of deciding to wipe out a species we could build during migratorty times, choose other areas, or some other method of accomplishing both without wiping out a species. If we trade the water cycles cleansing process for power we are likely to find ourselves without either.
The minute I heard of so many whales dying all I could think that would cause their death would be the noise that these windmills cause. Since I didn't know of the loud noises you showed in this video, I did think of the humming/buzzing sound they make while running. I then realized that the whales would confuse these sounds with the way that they communicate with each other through their sonar sounds. Noise also causes water to have different characteristics which would be another enemy to the whale.
How would you like it if your neighbor was cranking up their music systems to the maximum 24 hours a day. That would have a psychological affect on people living in the area and drive them crazy. So why are we ignoring the issue of high repetitive acoustics being generated by the offshore wind farms?
I would like to commend the gentleman who cares for the 🐳 whales. Watching mankind destroy the whales has brought me countless tears throughout this life, it is so savagely painful to watch this beautiful intelligent creature die for man’s greed of power
Yeah, the point that we cannot save all species from extinction is kinda shocking when you consider we're not talking about a variety of mosquito here, but the giants of the seas, a pinnacle of evolutionary sacrifice. It's kinda like the difference between plucking a flower and felling a mammoth tree.
This was a great segment except the end where Briahna spews some BS explanation for why they shut down some nuclear power plant and doesn't allow Michael to respond...
I'm getting really really tired of Bri and her breathless last-words. "I'm not against nuclear, but here are a bunch of really detailed reasons why your pro-nuclear position is wrong, and I'm gonna squeeze it in at the end so you have no time to respond." UGH
I love Michael Schellenberger. His TED talk on Nuclear Energy was really eye opening to me. Him and Bjorn Lomborg are two of the people I trust most for their takes and their prescriptions for tackling climate change.
@@bigollameo Both men say that a) the earth IS warming b)man made CO2 DOES play a role in that warming c)Climate change IS a problem we need to tackle d)is it NOT an existential threat to humans (which politicians and media like to say it is, yet the IPCC has NEVER said it is) and e) they are proponents of solutions that might actually have a chance of working, like nuclear for Schellenberger, or investment in technology and innovation for Lomborg. If you call that "deniers", than that says more about you then them.
Haven't listened to this video yet but Robby constantly cuts her off haha. It's kind of awkward sometimes but they don't seem to get too upset about it
@@JusticeEmuagreed. I feel like they both have competition to interject or interrupt so that they can be heard. I usually hear it from Robby and I think Bri is generally more disciplined (or less outspoken) but occasionally she makes up for it. Overall I think they manage it well between the two of themselves.
Yes, it's all about the money. These companies take huge subsidies from federal budget. Like Michael noted, they won't be able to build their stuff without taxpayers money. And now they will do anything to keep our money even though their share in the electric grid is so marginal. But some people will become much richer at the expense of the rest.
Meanwhile, in California, they require even some small home constructions to have costly and drawn out "environmental impact reports", but apparently this giant "ecological marvel" windfarm got greenlit with a bunch of people looking the other way, and even more probably paid quite handsomely.
Another possibility which wasn't discussed here is that perhaps it is possible to drill anchors for offshore wind turbines rather than to pile-dirve them. Also - one of the reasons Indian Point was closed down is that the plant was well past its shutdown date, and needed critical maintenance. It is possible to build much safer nuclear plants than Indian Point with modern techniques
Think they said the sound is sonar pings. They haven't even gotten to the pile driving phase yet. Are they building floating turbines such that they don't need piles and only anchors?
Overall, I find the wind and solar industries grifts. I heard a story recently for to put up a new solar setup, they had to rip out a bunch of trees that probably offset more carbon than the power generated from the solar would prevent being created. But there's the toxic materials in the panels that comes along with it. I'm fine with trying to build towards better energy alternatives, but there just seems to be so many environmental issues around the two energy forms than they really prevent from power generation from traditional means.
Yes and they need backup at all times (fossil or nuclear) and have limited life span so you have to keep replacing them and all that toxic material just piles up.
I think the solution is in private houses. If they made it easier and cheaper for people leaving in areas where solar and/or wind is feasible to install it and also have a battery, there could be real improvements. But the government prefer to fund large projects... where there is money and favors to be made. Large scale wind or solar farms are no better than burning natural gas to produce electricity.
@@tommyleite-x3o Well sure but batteries have even shorter life span and are more expensive and pollute more :P They can be recycled (not completely) but they loose capacity a lot by doing that.
@@nemanjastankovic4439you can say that about all technology today, everything is wireless and has lithium batteries. Including massive EV batteries. Small scale solar/wind works, so does living a simple/humble/self sustainable lifestyle. Society glorifies excessiveness and luxury.
@@nicklebuck Yeah and they do the job with low current devices that don't use much energy like mobile phones or anything belov 12v 1-5 A. Getting good quality car battery will still cost you if you want it to be good quality. Before recycling electrolytes inside they were much better but that was long time ago. They still have to dig for them even with recycling and house needs huge battery and it's expensive. Latest idea for EV is to rent battery. They could apply that to houses. Any battery can fail if not used or overused or just defective but I guess if you have good deal on solar panels and battery and lot's of sun it makes sense.
What’s worse is the 5 current windmills off Block Island rarely function properly. So even when they get them installed the track record is that they won’t generate the power advertised.
Had to chuckle at Bri once again getting her facts confused with mythology. Guess her Group-Think got in the way of completing the interview professionally?
Why don’t they just change out the long turbine blades with Dyson blades? Dyson blades are now made for wind turbines. No vibration. Problem solved. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
Wind turbines have a place but not when when they impact on the lives of wild life. They are also a blight on the landscape. I live in Cornwall UK and the countryside looks terrible with so many turbines. Nuclear power is the silver bullet.
OMG Bri is insufferable. Dude just told her there’s only 340 of those whales left. Like… they’re about to be extinct, but she wants to focus on how the turbines are good for climate change. Hello?! This isn’t the ONLY solution to climate change, but there are ONLY 340 whales left.
My brother's ideology is the same as Bri. He's such a believer in the global climate "change" agenda that he refuses to acknowledge the noise the windmills generate. In fact, like Bri, he's willing to sacrifice the whales to extinction.
I think it would have been helpful to draw a line from the whale’s survival and our survival, if there is such a line to be drawn. Ecosystems are delicate and often times a seemingly small change can have large and compounding effects. 🤷🏾♂️
There is no rational argument for having a strong affinity for some species and the preference to save them over other more seemingly mundane ones, but that should by no means lessen our resolve to proceed with their conservation. "Saving them because we like them" is the most legitimate reason we will ever have.
This Mindset by the government reminds me of Oceangate ... ignore reasonable warnings and push on because they are too focused on one particular thing! And we all saw where that can lead.
I love the acceptance that fossil fuels are causing global warming, especially the catastrophic part. As much as I wish windmills were the answer, they appear to have a lot more problems than were anticipated.
Having been around for Chernobyl, Three Mile Island & Fukushima, nuclear scares me. But the windmills sound like a nightmare too. So, Robby is suggesting that wiping out other sentient species in acceptable because it's convenient for us? He's everything wrong with libertarianism.
So what's the alternative? Oil? Haven't there been dozens of oil spills that also damaged the environment? Also methane leaks? The solution is proper regulation and inspections of those who are negligent and criminal prosecution of those who cover this up for money.
Right-fighters just have to be right, regardless of the destructive result. She even exposes herself be 2-faced self absorbed, inauthentic & selfish 2 get that last word.
Bri thinks N.Y. is in a seismic zone she'll have to let us know when a 7.0 on the Richter scale is coming to NYC. They should have kept that plant open, environmentalists are not really serious about global warming.
I actually knew a geologist that was the expert to decide if a nuclear plant should be built in NY. He had some stories of it being built that were crazy. Inspectors being demoted for being honest, bosses asking to have things signed off, being lead away from things that would cost more. It was built. We do have seismic activity in certain parts of the state and I have heard a lot of earthquakes going through NY personally. Damage is usually just a few cracked windows and foundations, but it does happen.
Bri, if you argue there are mitigating circumstances so we can’t know the exact affect the wind turbines are having on the whales, so we shouldn’t really worry about it, isn’t that exactly what climate deniers do? Don’t they say since you don’t know exactly how much man is responsible you can’t really justify changing what we do?
Bri is still on the climate change train. She was trying to twist the spike of whale deaths to other possibilities because she was having a hard time accepting that these earth, friendly, turbines were most likely the cause for the spike of whale deaths.
Modern much safer nuclear power plants can be very helpful for the planet. Please people research wind and solar these have some very severe impacts - far greater than the majority realize. Wind and solar being environmentally friendly is extremely tenuous.
What i can accept is that people do things and it causes uninteded harm, what i cant accept is people trying to cover it up or if exposed claiming that it was the best possible option to bwgin with and the harm is actually a novle good thing!
sonar noise is one of the main reasons. probably, the stranding whales are deaf, so there is no way to bring them back to their habitat. personally, I believe that whales are aware of humanity, and they come to the beaches to be seen by us.
Is P.E.T.A. involved in any way? These wind turbines cause trouble on land and in the sea! I just dont think the wind farms are worth the risk they present.
Honestly i would think the warmer waters changing entire ecosystems are a worse problem than wind turbines. Also correlation doesnt equal causation. Shellenberger seems to be fixated on wind turbines and switching from coal to nat gas?? Ah ya i forgot this guy is anti green energy. He always says the same arguments in all of these segments.
I'm super disappointed that he's what passes for an environmentalist. There are huge problems with nuclear and he's just parroting the industry talking points. Good God. We'll end up buying a bunch of future pollution and disasters at a hugely inflated cost for relatively little energy. Regardless of its many other problems, it's really expensive so it displaces cheaper, faster renewable energy projects. Those could be done better but using their flaws to push nuclear is... Mr. Burns.
@@jwilson2500shellenberger has done nothing but shill for right of center politics. Except for whales? Lol, ask yourself this: Does it make sense that Shellenberger, who does nothing but shill for right or center issues all of sudden cares about quite possibly one of the most cliche hippy-dippy environmental issues which is saving the whale? Lol, sure.
Thank goodness some random dude who’s done zero research on the matter talk s*** about someone that’s actually done thousands of hours of research on the matter..
I'm curious about some wind turbines I've seen on UA-cam that are small & self-contained invented for installation on individual homes. Let's encourage the invention of things like this instead of the giant, taxpayer-funded ecology-wrecking monsters being pushed on our environment.
Question #1 for me is: How many years a windmill should work to return as much energy as was spent to design, manufacture, deliver, build, deploy and maintain it, i.e. only to justify it's existence. The smallest number I've heard was 220 years. Land-based windmill requires 1000 cubic meters hole for foundation and 2600 tons of concrete (which is most pollutant material) to fill it. Sea-based require much more.
So, soon we will not have trees, glorious animals , butterflies , bees or flourishing plants…..just concrete and millionaires, billionaires and trillionaires
Nothing new, birds get killed by the turbines and the turbines noise affects humans as well. Lots of articles about it, ask any population near wind turbine farms.
Robby - We do a “Cost-Benefit Analysis” on environmental regulations when we are paying for the mitigations in question. In the case of these wind turbines, WE are paying for the whales & other sea mammals to be killed! It’s the same as paying bounties for Buffalo hides in the late 19th century or for Gray Wolf paws until the 1970’s. We have the same thing in states like California where wind turbines are the main killer of Bald Eagles and other endangered raptors! Again, WE paid for these to be built!
Why are they even called Turbines? That implies a strong Venturi, or wind, like you’d need harnessing on Venus at hundreds of kph. I don’t understand the minimal thin three blades generating much when every ‘functional’ windmill I grew up around festooned like peacock plumage capturing wind. Why do they need diesel and tap power grid to run? Makes no sense, unless it’s making money somewhere.
It would be interesting to examine whether other nations with large offshore wind turbine construction have experienced similar effects on whale or other marine populations. Also, much concern has previously been raised about the Navy also "polluting" the oceans with various acoustic wavelengths. Is this also being researched and opposed, and Congressional hearings being called?
Nuclear plants raising water temps is an environmental a problem, but in lakes. I know this because it happened in NY. We have the Finger Lakes, and there has been propositions to have nuclear plants on them that have gotten shut down because it would effect the ecosystem.
Still an issue on the ocean, the deoxygenation etc happens over a large area. Twice the electric output of a nuclear plant is waste heat. So 8 GW heat from a 4 GW plant
@@jwilson2500 Yeah and still better than solar and wind which are much more expensive and last a lost less and still need fossil or nuclear as backup. New generation is even better , can't be used for weapons and are immune to spills and earthquakes.
If we are to sacrifice 200,000 cows to the CO2 deities to reduce the greenhouse maladies, we shall also sacrifice whales to the wind deities to bless us with their wind energy! As it is said, it shall be done!!
Amen ! Also they could have made public barbecue or send meat to countries that need food. Climate emergency is a cult all praise green god that gave us solar and wind !!!
This is a control tactic for forcing us to eat what they want us to eat. People who fall for the lies about the climate change are not researching what the facts are. It's about reducing the population and the control over us. Eat bugs and grass lab grown meat is the plan. Digital currency will be a way for controlling what you're allowed to buy. Wake up people and get the picture
I am so grateful for Michael Shellenberger, old school investigative journalism at its finest.
Gimme a break. Right wing schill.
@@jimmyf9545 Exposing the incompetence & corruption of the Insane Left should be a Crime . . . yes!
I hear ole Joe has a Pen Name . . . Robert Peters . . . now it appears he has received over $50 Million . . . he may soon catch up with Barry & Hillary . . . lol
@@jimmyf9545 Shellenberger was interviewed by Joe Rogan and admitted to working for and with George Soros. Make of that what you will regarding which party schill he is.
Amen! The guys a hero.
@@jimmyf9545 The man was a registered democrat until 2021 and his run against Newsom. He campaigned for "abortion rights, gun safety regulation, the $15 minimum wage, universal health care, collective bargaining rights, and alternatives to incarceration for drug-related violations of the law." (HP) He's here documenting for environmental protection. What position did he take that negates all of that and makes him conservative?
Anyone who’ve ever been up close and personal with these giants knows how truly gentle and smart they are. We cannot allow their extinction on our watch! I’m with Michael, our government can’t be trusted to do the right thing. 😢
@OpheliaPG Bri & Robby?? JK JK agree w/ you Ophelia!
I can see this government has our best interest at heart argument coming from Bri but I thought Robbie would know better.
An intelligent mammal that nurtures young and an insect that is not essential to pollination are two different things.
But but but Climate Change
@@l.w.paradis2108Not sure why you made the insect comparison but, we now know that nearly all insects are pollinators by default. And the most important pollinators aren’t the honeybees but rather every other kind of bee because nearly all bees are discriminatory, only feeding on and therefore pollinating one plant species. So we’re threatening all the rest by focusing on just the honeybee, a largely indiscriminate feeder.
Oh and, there’s an insect apocalypse underway, we lose the insects and we’re done too because we depend on them for human habitat here on planet earth.
Every living thing has a job to do, a function to perform necessary for the survival of other species.
Except us.
So maybe reconsider the importance you assign to other species or even if you have the right. Since you/we are the odd man out in the equation. All we do on this earth is consume and destroy.
You can see the rage in Bri's eyes when someone says anything against her team
Like someone demonically possessed.
Time index in video?
What a disappointing lack of concern on the part of both Brie and Robby. Especially Briahna who seemed to take pleasure in winning points (she thinks) against their guest.
Of course there is a rational argument for saving these whales. Removing the largest animal in the ecosystem wreaks havoc with the other species whose lives are interdependent. Thought that was well-understood.
I founnd both their questions alright. They should be challening and probing expertise. (Although not leaving him the last word is maybe not the best style.)
And Shellenberger's relaxed attitude is a delight. This is a spiritual-level mind, so to speak; not driven by fear.
@@Dowlphin I really like Michael's calm way of explaining things and sort of put things in simple ways.
what can you expect from the people that say men can have babies and trans women are the same as women in athletic contests
There's no reason to stop nuclear energy. The only purpose behind the propaganda is to keep us dependent on fossil fuels.
@@Dowlphin if think that was alright your part off the problem ... it was disgraceful , an attempt to lessen his intelligence on the matter ..they both are total hypocrites, say one thing but really want another , to even say " oh i dont want to see them die BUT ?? again disgraceful
They are beautiful creatures and deserve to be protected.
It is *still* The Darpa Dumb ocean gate laser grid going down.
Quick, someone find a Klingon Bird of Prey! (Star Trek 4 reference)
@@tator2345Too bad those few good souls can’t make up for all the pain and death we cause or the damage we’re willfully doing to the only life supporting planet in the galaxy.
Can't be said about many people unfortunately. Whales, Elephants, Rhinos, etc. are incredible and need to be protected. The Dodo needs to be cloned back into existence. Same for the Passenger Pigeon.
Same with unborn humans.
Michael Schellenberger is like David fighting Goliath. A vey brave journalist who is not afraid to search for the truth and expose the lies.
First we engineers must determine root cause. Learn which frequencies are most harmful. From there, determine which components of a wind turbine cause the most audio noise. Then eliminate to the best degree noise produced in the most damaging frequency. This will be done with changes in mechanical design or added destructive interference tools. Finally, reduce all frequencies, because species other than whale are likely to be impacted by the sonic assault, too.
But renewables are essential for planetary survival.
@@emmettgrogan4217 Fossil fuels; God's bounty.
He is not a scientist
Every time humans try to fix one problem we make something else worse.
Nope. It’s when leadership cuts corners. We know what is right.
The fact something of this nature was never tested on shows the magnitude of idiocy in policy makers.
To be fair, other species create problems too. They just don’t try to fix them.
As Thomas Sowell says “There are no solutions, only trade-offs.”
The push for wind turbines feels like a "hm this isn't going to work well in the long run but it's too late to turn back now" initiative
Good luck with getting the government to intervene. 20:years ago as a cell tower project manager, every permit we pulled on a cell site brought a lawsuit for bird protection by environmental groups. Towers make dandy bird perches. But when wind turbines are permitted, almost no argument from the same groups. I never saw a dead bird on any of my tower sites, but I have on wind turbine sites. Like I said, good luck.
Because destruction of habitats is GOOD for the earth if Greenies are doing it.
The people along the New Jersey shore do not want this ugliness off their coasts. New Jersey has a long history of marine mammal migration that is beautiful. The government will not listen to the majority of the people. FU Phil Murphy.
What decibel level would a speaker need to be turned to, in order to produce the same impact on humans as the acoustics being broadcast in the ocean are on whales? And can we place these speakers in front of the homes and offices of all decision makers involved in this process?
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Can we start building some energy source that works even in theory for a change?
I have a little bit of knowledge about Sound and How it can affect our body, mind, our psychological condition. It is used to heal (Sound healing) - The vibrations lowering or speeding up our frequences and thereby balancing our energies in and around our body - anciennitet knowledge used by people in Tibet/Asia and also Aboreginies in Australia - for healing and meditation. You can use your voice or different instruments. Look up Templesounds - he rocks 🤗Or it can be misused to deliberately terrorize, torture - also check out theories about 440 htz and 432 hrz. I also know a bit about infrasound i.e. often deep sounds that most people cannot hear but some of us can, unfortunately. And it sometimes sounds like a diesel truck with The engine on close to you. Infrasounds coming from also windmills when The vings rotate. And I can image that these deep sounds are also transmitted to The sea. Whales communicate by making sounds that are easily transmitted over long distances in The water. And they are of cause very disturbed by all this Sound coming from also windmils. I read somewhere that Aborigenies in Australia also had instruments they rotated in The air thereby making different sounds that could be transmitted through The air over long distances. Almost their kind of telephoning. Noise pollution is actually a global problem making many people sick in body and mind
@@friendlypedokiller3026take it to ten, then one further
And in front of the homes of the crazies protesting for this
Anyone who has watched the 'Our World' doco's, knows that whales use sonar to navigate their surroundings and their pods. When man made loud sounds override and drown the sonar signals of whales they will naturally end up losing their, calves, pods and lives.
Oil production, military activity and commercial shipping are much louder than wind turbines. Where any of these are planned should not be near areas frequented by whales. Just common sense.
I’m so glad he mentioned nuclear power. It’s an incredible source of energy that could solve so many of our power needs. There are risks but the risks are not as great as they once were.
Shellenberger is a campaigner for nuclear power. He’s done a number of persuasive talks, including TED, on the subject.
the left hates that too
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okay degrowther
Michael Shellenberger is a gift to humanity. With all these demons in power, we need strong people like Michael to stand up for people or animals that do NOT have a voice. Bravo Michael, my hat goes off to you.
He put Bri in her place regarding the nuclear plant shutdowns!
His excuses for the Indian point nuclear power plant are pathetic. And it wasn't AOC shutting it down. RFK's Riverkeepers have been fighting for this closure for 2 decades. In 2015 an electrical transformer in the reactor called Unit 3 exploded, causing water to flood a room near the explosion where electrical distribution panels are housed and pouring 3,000 gallons of oil into the Hudson.
Cooled in large part by water from the Hudson - up to 2.5bn gallons a day - it kills about 1 billion fish and other aquatic organisms a year.
we need to get out the word on it. This video does no good if it is not shared.
You hit the nail on the head. Amen brother 😂
Literal demons! I pray this man endures the necessary battle and is protected.
I’ve been keeping up with these issues for a Very long time no one is listening, or it’s covered up!!! The things these turbines are doing to birds, whales and other marine life is beyond terrible. It’s horrific. It doesn’t get the much needed attention because it hurts the agenda. Everyone should flooood the whole internet with this issue!!!
There are only 7 wind turbines in operation off the east coast at this point, so what are horrible things they are doing to the whales? Mitigation would be to extent the distance to the shoal where the whales are feeding and away from all critical habitat. No surveying or pile driving during calving season or during migration, speed limits on boats.
They didn't get to the part about how long those turbines are expected to last. I think it's 20 years, then recycle time. It's also notoriously difficult to recycle those blades, regardless. All for a few kilowatts, good vibes, and rewarding some "green" company pushing the scam.
@@sabinereynaudsf The pile driving necessary to install one windmill is/was enough to drive the whales nuts, and by the number of dead whales washing up since then, enough to disorient them to the point where they can't even survive. Maybe the turbines themselves are sending sound waves into the ocean causing the same effect?
I am too shocked that the wild life agencies are so quiet, not a word out of them. I guess they are paid to stay silent.
I think that response by Bri at the end was a little weird. She said lots of things about Indian Point at the end and quickly ended the show giving no one time to respond to what she said. I have no idea what / if anyone would have responded, but it was not a good look. The guest shot down her points about Nuclear Power in general, so it seemed like she was trying to make some statements as the end relating to a specific plant and then said, got to go!
She can't handle being told she is wrong. So she over talks or forces the last word.
Oh, but she's not arguing against nuclear power at all! Despite having spent the entire segment arguing against nuclear power, she said at the end that she's in no way against nuclear power! Didn't you hear her?
Typical Bri with her intellectual dishonesty.
Well part of the problem is the which source to believe. It would be nice if there was one source for "SCIENTIFIC FACT" but that is not the case. And you can read articles from either side they may not be correct.
Nuclear, geothermal and solar could power the country. They just need to learn how to build Nuclear and spend some money researching geothermal. A billion into researching drilling technology would allow them to drill a lot of holes. Once they perfect that and know how to pick ideal locations it wouldnt take long to scale up quickly.
You must be new, this show should just be called "Brih's unchallenged ramblings"
Brianna seemed to be unaware she was stepping right into Shellengerger's wheelhouse. He corrected her very respectfully.
And she didn't know how to take it gracefully. She had to come back in the end trying to get the last word in.
See you next Tuesday Bri
@peacefulsoul81 She's insufferable. Just another ideologue with a microphone. In this situation, she's presented with an example of a consequence of pushing for alternative energy without thinking it through, and she comes across so indignant.
She’s the reason I couldn’t watch this show anymore. I’m only here because someone on a different video posted this link to explain whales killing themselves because of the sound from the windmills.
A study years ago confirmed that wind turbines on land act like an apex predator ridding the land around them of all life.
so do solar panels, cause the land beneath them doesnt get sunlight, nor heat, nor rain, or anything else, so it creates low energy systems, solar panels on roofs sounds nice, but then birds have less places to rest, if you want to make a city green, you need to understand the native life there, what it needs, then how to create a perfect block, meaning 1 example of green architecture, that meets all the requirements, from native wildlife, birds, mammals, bugs etc, to humans, to infrastructure, for power/water/gas/internet, but until you make your theoretical into practicality, no one cares. theres no point in making a green anything if theres no contemporary example of green energy, otherwise, its just policy and policy makes everyone unhappy...
plus they reduce rainfall and crop yields downwind
@@117EnderThe only push back that I would give is that it often takes time to get the technology right and work out all of the problems. Solar panels will probably get smaller and become more efficient.
Also a group in the UK claimed that they are also killing extremely large numbers of wild birds, but the authorities refuse to look into the issue as if true it would really put a different light on there net zero promises.
@@AnaLucia-wy2ii solar panels will never become a primary energy producer, it can be a supplement, as in if ppl place a few panels on their roofs, they use 5% less energy from gas/coal/necular that means 5% less is burned... but solar and wind farms were never gonna power the world they were just able to power everyone's toaster...
I’ve never been more infuriated by Bri and Robby, neither cared in the slightest about these whales. Bri was so focused on proving this guy wrong she argued for killing off an entire species and Robby flat out could care less. Well say goodbye to these whale’s everyone 👍
Every show I see, they bug me more. This was abhorrent 🤣🤷
@slampersand3145 Me too! Their news is merely undeducated opinion pieces. If I want this nonsense, I can just watch MSM! They've lost this viewer and family.
Bri hates to hear that her team is doing bad stuff. She always brings out her bristles and edge for people who call out her ideological failings.
It’s the scale comparison that is weird. Did you not do your homework on the cost and impacts of nuclear and fossil fuels compared to wind?????
It’s weird how people accept the impact of wind and solar but totally dismiss the global climate crisis caused by fossil fuels as just background noise.
That’s the progressive way.
@@antonioreid534that's dumb
@@antonioreid534You can worry about fossil fuels but also understand that wind and solar have very big issues. Wind turbines are cut up and buried in land fills. The mining of the minerals for green energy is also horrible for the environment. Wind Turbines is not the answer.
This has big oil money fake news written all over it.
Best of luck in resolving this issue. The green energy sector is a big $ maker, so they aren't going to just lie down because animals of any type are dying.
Nature reserves can be set up in the ocean as well as land, thus protecting sensitive areas where whales occupy more often. This doesn’t have to be very complicated.
The hosts tried so hard to come up with arguments to make them look adult and smart, that ended up achieving just the opossite.
Wow who would have thought Bri would try to blame anything but this, her climate “crisis” agenda comes above all else
Brianna is having a hard time accepting that Wind turbines are killing whales. She tries to twist the spike in deaths to other possible factors.
Either she cares for the planet, or not. She picks and chooses to suit her worldview.
Shellinburger is often fire! He does it again! Since the Twitter Files I just love the guy. Go Michael, truth to power, keep em honest! So glad there are still Californians we can be proud of. Thanks Rising, much love to Robbie and Briahna! Amazing on details Briahna, you are thourough with your homework again here. Fire reporting right here!
Bri came off like a Twitch debater.
so same as always...
Exactly I want to hear the same thing everyday
Yeah, she didn't just listen to expert and allow him go unchallenged. I dont know why she won't just stand with conservatives. I cant stand conservatives who side with liberals though.
Yeah why is she debating him anyways?
@@Flamingtorpedostrike she only challenged experts with whom she disagrees with, when fauci told her to get more shots, she didnt ask questions she rolled up her sleeve
For years, I've been wondering why there have been increased beachings of 🐋 whales in areas that never had wind turbines. Suddenly, turbines go up, and then whales die. I wondered if it was messing with their sonar.
Heart breaking 💔
Michael Shellenberger has a new documentary coming out called "Thown to the Wind."
It documents the increase of whale deaths around ocean wind turbine farms located throughout the world. Something like 5000 wind turbines. I'll have to watch to learn more.
Disingenuous content. Michael never said wind turbines killed whales. It's boats and sub sea surface mapping
if they are temporarily deafened by HRG sub bottom profiling, they are technically temporarily deaf when they are then hit by a ship. @@Shishakli65
@Shishakli65 No, however, he mentioned sonar - and it triggered something I was wondering about and suspected, with the limited research I have done. I have been noticing unusual beaching in the surrounding areas.
My aunt was in the midst of renting the rights of her 625 acres of land to their electric company for installing wind turbines. When wildlife impact studies were being done, it turned out her property was part of a large bird migratory corridor.
The whole project stopped, and a better location was picked.
No one is asking more questions about the whales- if sonar from wind turbines affects/negatively impacts them, we need to know. I pray that in our endeavor to bring wind energy to our communities, we don't throw science and caution to the side because of the global warming religion.
@@ODINS_daughter no one is saying wind turbines are responsible. Stop saying it
@Shishakli65 You said to stop saying it! Now I'm more tenacious than ever...now that someone is trying to stop me from questioning - from even saying it! I'm going to research until I get the answers I seek.
The problem is with the mentality that a person can't even say it. That control propaganda definitely comes not from a scientist or even a researcher.
Shellenberger is an Eagle spreading the word about the whale issue and energy production, unfortunately, he had to fly with turkeys today to do it.
Bri - Michael Shellenberger is a contributing editor to the IPCC reports, so he would know more about Global Warming & what effects Global Warming. “Multi-Factorial” is a scientific way of admitting there may be other causes besides the one we’re discussing. ITC, these wind turbines & their construction can be shown to have killed more marine mammals in that area than all of the others combined (with the possible exception of “boat strikes” which are being caused when these mammals try to avoid the construction zone)!
10:06 Bri: “the waste from that nuclear plant was going into the water supply”
10:49 Also Bri: “it’s not that it’s nuclear waste, it’s that warm water is discharged” 😂😂😂😂
Well, she can dip a toe in the pacific tomorrow, & see if it feels warmer, b3cause daichi/ ge start pumping from fukushima.
Someone is texting her talking points.
Bri crushed that debate with Bri.
Cooling water from nuclear plants still contains tritium. Slightly warmer water is just fine according to Shellenberger.
@@sabinereynaudsf it’s not just fine. But it’s easy to mitigate and no cause to shut down an entire plant. If wind turbines could be made to NOT interfere with whales and their sonar we could keep them. But they don’t produce much energy anyway and they are putting an already endangered species further on the brink. Nuclear seems much more plausible, generates way more energy etc.
what we are doing to our collective home is heartbreaking
What we’re doing to our mother, the source of our existence, the body of life that affords us life, our own human habitat.
The only life supporting system in the entire galaxy, home to all known life in existence.
Goes way beyond heartbreaking. Our actions are omnicidal.
Corporate greed. Money is power. Power corrupts. The scale of suffering that all this is causing is so far-reaching. It is profoundly heartbreaking.
@@dr8nkw0t8r thank you for making that distinction. I have been trying to remind myself -- it is not humans, it is the corporations creating most of the problems we see today. Though there is such a thing as conscious capitalism, and I'm a supporter of it.
but the self appointed important humans are getting richer
A major issue with Indian Point was how old and how far past its original life expectancy the plant was.
Boiling water reactors, is a tech developed eons ago and there are safer potential nuclear tech, but private industry is not going to invest, without government handing the tech to them on silver tax platter. We elosee this problem over and over. Another example is developing newer sewage treatment tech. It costs so much for an individual municipal authority to build a new plant, they can't take any chances. Whereas, for the cost of a few F-35 boondoggle planes, the Feds could sponsor a number of demo projects and experiment and absorb some failures, as these failures become part of the learning process.
I'm surprised to hear someone question why we need these whales. We'll know as soon as they are gone and the damage is irreversible. Perhaps instead of deciding to wipe out a species we could build during migratorty times, choose other areas, or some other method of accomplishing both without wiping out a species. If we trade the water cycles cleansing process for power we are likely to find ourselves without either.
The minute I heard of so many whales dying all I could think that would cause their death would be the noise that these windmills cause. Since I didn't know of the loud noises you showed in this video, I did think of the humming/buzzing sound they make while running. I then realized that the whales would confuse these sounds with the way that they communicate with each other through their sonar sounds. Noise also causes water to have different characteristics which would be another enemy to the whale.
Nice timing on this episode. A British windmill caught fire and workers had to get rescued today (1 day after this aired)
How would you like it if your neighbor was cranking up their music systems to the maximum 24 hours a day. That would have a psychological affect on people living in the area and drive them crazy. So why are we ignoring the issue of high repetitive acoustics being generated by the offshore wind farms?
I would like to commend the gentleman who cares for the 🐳 whales. Watching mankind destroy the whales has brought me countless tears throughout this life, it is so savagely painful to watch this beautiful intelligent creature die for man’s greed of power
Yeah, the point that we cannot save all species from extinction is kinda shocking when you consider we're not talking about a variety of mosquito here, but the giants of the seas, a pinnacle of evolutionary sacrifice. It's kinda like the difference between plucking a flower and felling a mammoth tree.
E chemicals are poisonous Apart from changing wind trajectory, will illeffects to All Beautiful Around
Here’s the truth I bet if the coal or gas plant was harmful to mosquitoes. Robbie and Brianna would want it stopped.
This may be an emotional argument, but I am not willing to let the whales go under any circumstances! Save The Whales.
This was a great segment except the end where Briahna spews some BS explanation for why they shut down some nuclear power plant and doesn't allow Michael to respond...
The biggest problem with wind turbines is that UFOs collide with them and then crash.
Been happening since 1896
Don Quota has this problem, also.
based alien protector
And all those aliens making absolutely insane comments on you tube... 👽
I'm getting really really tired of Bri and her breathless last-words.
"I'm not against nuclear, but here are a bunch of really detailed reasons why your pro-nuclear position is wrong, and I'm gonna squeeze it in at the end so you have no time to respond." UGH
Don’t watch. You won’t be missed.
Brie believes in long covid; magical beliefs are her wheelhouse
I love Michael Schellenberger. His TED talk on Nuclear Energy was really eye opening to me. Him and Bjorn Lomborg are two of the people I trust most for their takes and their prescriptions for tackling climate change.
So you trust climate skeptics rather than climate scientists?
@@bigollameo Both men say that a) the earth IS warming b)man made CO2 DOES play a role in that warming c)Climate change IS a problem we need to tackle d)is it NOT an existential threat to humans (which politicians and media like to say it is, yet the IPCC has NEVER said it is) and e) they are proponents of solutions that might actually have a chance of working, like nuclear for Schellenberger, or investment in technology and innovation for Lomborg. If you call that "deniers", than that says more about you then them.
I feel bad for Robby. Bri didn’t let him talk and even cut him off which is exactly what she did last Friday.
She needs to lower the ego a tad. She is likeable apart from this quirk
I think you mean Thursday. Jessica and Amber do the Friday show
Haven't listened to this video yet but Robby constantly cuts her off haha. It's kind of awkward sometimes but they don't seem to get too upset about it
@@JusticeEmuagreed. I feel like they both have competition to interject or interrupt so that they can be heard. I usually hear it from Robby and I think Bri is generally more disciplined (or less outspoken) but occasionally she makes up for it. Overall I think they manage it well between the two of themselves.
Yeah I agree love Robby's common sense but seeing that was your take I guess you found story as interesting as me ?
I went out on a whale watching boat a few times as a youngin, It was amazing, and unless you see a whale up close you cannot grasp the beauty.
Yes, it's all about the money. These companies take huge subsidies from federal budget. Like Michael noted, they won't be able to build their stuff without taxpayers money. And now they will do anything to keep our money even though their share in the electric grid is so marginal. But some people will become much richer at the expense of the rest.
Meanwhile, in California, they require even some small home constructions to have costly and drawn out "environmental impact reports", but apparently this giant "ecological marvel" windfarm got greenlit with a bunch of people looking the other way, and even more probably paid quite handsomely.
Another possibility which wasn't discussed here is that perhaps it is possible to drill anchors for offshore wind turbines rather than to pile-dirve them.
Also - one of the reasons Indian Point was closed down is that the plant was well past its shutdown date, and needed critical maintenance. It is possible to build much safer nuclear plants than Indian Point with modern techniques
Think they said the sound is sonar pings. They haven't even gotten to the pile driving phase yet. Are they building floating turbines such that they don't need piles and only anchors?
I'm outraged as well people should go to jail over this
Overall, I find the wind and solar industries grifts. I heard a story recently for to put up a new solar setup, they had to rip out a bunch of trees that probably offset more carbon than the power generated from the solar would prevent being created. But there's the toxic materials in the panels that comes along with it. I'm fine with trying to build towards better energy alternatives, but there just seems to be so many environmental issues around the two energy forms than they really prevent from power generation from traditional means.
Yes and they need backup at all times (fossil or nuclear) and have limited life span so you have to keep replacing them and all that toxic material just piles up.
I think the solution is in private houses. If they made it easier and cheaper for people leaving in areas where solar and/or wind is feasible to install it and also have a battery, there could be real improvements. But the government prefer to fund large projects... where there is money and favors to be made. Large scale wind or solar farms are no better than burning natural gas to produce electricity.
@@tommyleite-x3o Well sure but batteries have even shorter life span and are more expensive and pollute more :P They can be recycled (not completely) but they loose capacity a lot by doing that.
@@nemanjastankovic4439you can say that about all technology today, everything is wireless and has lithium batteries. Including massive EV batteries. Small scale solar/wind works, so does living a simple/humble/self sustainable lifestyle. Society glorifies excessiveness and luxury.
@@nicklebuck Yeah and they do the job with low current devices that don't use much energy like mobile phones or anything belov 12v 1-5 A. Getting good quality car battery will still cost you if you want it to be good quality. Before recycling electrolytes inside they were much better but that was long time ago. They still have to dig for them even with recycling and house needs huge battery and it's expensive. Latest idea for EV is to rent battery. They could apply that to houses. Any battery can fail if not used or overused or just defective but I guess if you have good deal on solar panels and battery and lot's of sun it makes sense.
What’s worse is the 5 current windmills off Block Island rarely function properly. So even when they get them installed the track record is that they won’t generate the power advertised.
Had to chuckle at Bri once again getting her facts confused with mythology. Guess her Group-Think got in the way of completing the interview professionally?
Yeah that last bit was entirely graceless.
Why don’t they just change out the long turbine blades with Dyson blades? Dyson blades are now made for wind turbines. No vibration. Problem solved. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk.
Is it more expensive ? If not it's probably because they already made that they made ...
Wind turbines have a place but not when when they impact on the lives of wild life. They are also a blight on the landscape. I live in Cornwall UK and the countryside looks terrible with so many turbines.
Nuclear power is the silver bullet.
They're all need to be dismantled and torn down now and people need to be locked up now this is ridiculous
Love Shellenberger
OMG Bri is insufferable. Dude just told her there’s only 340 of those whales left. Like… they’re about to be extinct, but she wants to focus on how the turbines are good for climate change. Hello?! This isn’t the ONLY solution to climate change, but there are ONLY 340 whales left.
My brother's ideology is the same as Bri. He's such a believer in the global climate "change" agenda that he refuses to acknowledge the noise the windmills generate. In fact, like Bri, he's willing to sacrifice the whales to extinction.
I think it would have been helpful to draw a line from the whale’s survival and our survival, if there is such a line to be drawn. Ecosystems are delicate and often times a seemingly small change can have large and compounding effects. 🤷🏾♂️
Bri, you got told off and couldn't handle it.
This isn't new news. It's been known. They've just been covering it up. I heard about this years ago.
It is a pity that Shellenberger does not talk about the function whales have in the ocean. There are better arguments than wow, how big.
On the next episode of Briahna must be right and have the last word...
and her takes then age like milk and wonders why she has to backpedel from positions she defended, she must love being wrong...
Look at all these Govt. Agencies. CDC, FDA, NOA, FBI, CIA I could fill the rest of the page that have trust issues.
Brianna got pretty triggered by the nuclear vs wind discussion, she's obviously heavily on the wind train.
yep... sound is totally deadly in water. It blows their whole world up.
There is no rational argument for having a strong affinity for some species and the preference to save them over other more seemingly mundane ones, but that should by no means lessen our resolve to proceed with their conservation. "Saving them because we like them" is the most legitimate reason we will ever have.
This Mindset by the government reminds me of Oceangate ... ignore reasonable warnings and push on because they are too focused on one particular thing! And we all saw where that can lead.
These wind turbines are an awful solution on all fronts
Humanity deserves the worst thing universe can conceive
I love the acceptance that fossil fuels are causing global warming, especially the catastrophic part. As much as I wish windmills were the answer, they appear to have a lot more problems than were anticipated.
Man-made products are always problems.
Great work, these turbines are a menace on land too. The vibes they emit are causing cancer in humans too.
Having been around for Chernobyl, Three Mile Island & Fukushima, nuclear scares me. But the windmills sound like a nightmare too. So, Robby is suggesting that wiping out other sentient species in acceptable because it's convenient for us? He's everything wrong with libertarianism.
We kinda wiped 99% already but I think they could apply science to help whales in some new way.
I agree both aren't safe. Leave our oceans alone.
So what's the alternative? Oil? Haven't there been dozens of oil spills that also damaged the environment? Also methane leaks?
The solution is proper regulation and inspections of those who are negligent and criminal prosecution of those who cover this up for money.
This is so cruel. We don't need wind turbines. Govt lies.😢😢😢
Would be nice to have a follow up on one of Michaels weekly breaking stories
Will YT censor this too?
So thanks to the Enviormentist instead of saving mother earth They are the ones killing the environment and 🐋
Algae bloom should be studied more to see what elements are contributitory.
Trump just brought this up in his rally and vows to remove these turbine in the oceans. Trump 2024
Right-fighters just have to be right, regardless of the destructive result. She even exposes herself be 2-faced self absorbed, inauthentic & selfish 2 get that last word.
What happens with drilling in the ocean?
Bri thinks N.Y. is in a seismic zone she'll have to let us know when a 7.0 on the Richter scale is coming to NYC. They should have kept that plant open, environmentalists are not really serious about global warming.
I actually knew a geologist that was the expert to decide if a nuclear plant should be built in NY. He had some stories of it being built that were crazy. Inspectors being demoted for being honest, bosses asking to have things signed off, being lead away from things that would cost more. It was built. We do have seismic activity in certain parts of the state and I have heard a lot of earthquakes going through NY personally. Damage is usually just a few cracked windows and foundations, but it does happen.
They want the issues not the solutions
If the issue goes away so does all the money people make off of it
It's one big grift
It is. Ramapo.
What can the public do to stop this killing of whales? We all need to stand together to safe our planet against big tech companies
Bri, if you argue there are mitigating circumstances so we can’t know the exact affect the wind turbines are having on the whales, so we shouldn’t really worry about it, isn’t that exactly what climate deniers do? Don’t they say since you don’t know exactly how much man is responsible you can’t really justify changing what we do?
And let's add what's happening to bees and how cellular phones affect them.
Bri is still on the climate change train.
She was trying to twist the spike of whale deaths to other possibilities because she was having a hard time accepting that these earth, friendly, turbines were most likely the cause for the spike of whale deaths.
Modern much safer nuclear power plants can be very helpful for the planet. Please people research wind and solar these have some very severe impacts - far greater than the majority realize. Wind and solar being environmentally friendly is extremely tenuous.
What i can accept is that people do things and it causes uninteded harm, what i cant accept is people trying to cover it up or if exposed claiming that it was the best possible option to bwgin with and the harm is actually a novle good thing!
sonar noise is one of the main reasons. probably, the stranding whales are deaf, so there is no way to bring them back to their habitat.
personally, I believe that whales are aware of humanity, and they come to the beaches to be seen by us.
Thank You Michael ❤
Is P.E.T.A. involved in any way? These wind turbines cause trouble on land and in the sea! I just dont think the wind farms are worth the risk they present.
Honestly i would think the warmer waters changing entire ecosystems are a worse problem than wind turbines. Also correlation doesnt equal causation. Shellenberger seems to be fixated on wind turbines and switching from coal to nat gas?? Ah ya i forgot this guy is anti green energy. He always says the same arguments in all of these segments.
I'm super disappointed that he's what passes for an environmentalist. There are huge problems with nuclear and he's just parroting the industry talking points. Good God. We'll end up buying a bunch of future pollution and disasters at a hugely inflated cost for relatively little energy. Regardless of its many other problems, it's really expensive so it displaces cheaper, faster renewable energy projects. Those could be done better but using their flaws to push nuclear is... Mr. Burns.
@@jwilson2500shellenberger has done nothing but shill for right of center politics. Except for whales?
Lol, ask yourself this: Does it make sense that Shellenberger, who does nothing but shill for right or center issues all of sudden cares about quite possibly one of the most cliche hippy-dippy environmental issues which is saving the whale?
Lol, sure.
Comparing green energy animal casualties to the wildlife devastation fossil fuel extraction has caused is laughable.
Thank goodness some random dude who’s done zero research on the matter talk s*** about someone that’s actually done thousands of hours of research on the matter..
So very sad our govt loves its money and not its charges. Thanks for the spotlight on these wonderful creatures.
I'm curious about some wind turbines I've seen on UA-cam that are small & self-contained invented for installation on individual homes. Let's encourage the invention of things like this instead of the giant, taxpayer-funded ecology-wrecking monsters being pushed on our environment.
Question #1 for me is: How many years a windmill should work to return as much energy as was spent to design, manufacture, deliver, build, deploy and maintain it, i.e. only to justify it's existence. The smallest number I've heard was 220 years. Land-based windmill requires 1000 cubic meters hole for foundation and 2600 tons of concrete (which is most pollutant material) to fill it. Sea-based require much more.
So, soon we will not have trees, glorious animals , butterflies , bees or flourishing
plants…..just concrete and millionaires, billionaires and trillionaires
Nothing new, birds get killed by the turbines and the turbines noise affects humans as well. Lots of articles about it, ask any population near wind turbine farms.
Boy, Bri really hates the whales!
Apparently!
Just read Apocalypse Never and now currently reading San Fransicko. Love Michael and the work he’s doing!
Not sure if Bri was playing devils advocate on her counters to Nuclear or if it's ignorance. If you look into the Nuclear alternative it makes sense.
Robby - We do a “Cost-Benefit Analysis” on environmental regulations when we are paying for the mitigations in question. In the case of these wind turbines, WE are paying for the whales & other sea mammals to be killed! It’s the same as paying bounties for Buffalo hides in the late 19th century or for Gray Wolf paws until the 1970’s.
We have the same thing in states like California where wind turbines are the main killer of Bald Eagles and other endangered raptors! Again, WE paid for these to be built!
Why are they even called Turbines?
That implies a strong Venturi, or wind, like you’d need harnessing on Venus at hundreds of kph. I don’t understand the minimal thin three blades generating much when every ‘functional’ windmill I grew up around festooned like peacock plumage capturing wind. Why do they need diesel and tap power grid to run? Makes no sense, unless it’s making money somewhere.
It would be interesting to examine whether other nations with large offshore wind turbine construction have experienced similar effects on whale or other marine populations.
Also, much concern has previously been raised about the Navy also "polluting" the oceans with various acoustic wavelengths. Is this also being researched and opposed, and Congressional hearings being called?
Nuclear plants raising water temps is an environmental a problem, but in lakes. I know this because it happened in NY. We have the Finger Lakes, and there has been propositions to have nuclear plants on them that have gotten shut down because it would effect the ecosystem.
not so much in oceans
@@jonothandoeser No. Definitely not.
Still an issue on the ocean, the deoxygenation etc happens over a large area. Twice the electric output of a nuclear plant is waste heat. So 8 GW heat from a 4 GW plant
@@jwilson2500 But the physics of it says that the heat is quickly dissipated in the vast amount of sea water. Much less harmful than KILLING WHALES!!!
@@jwilson2500 Yeah and still better than solar and wind which are much more expensive and last a lost less and still need fossil or nuclear as backup. New generation is even better , can't be used for weapons and are immune to spills and earthquakes.
It’s not allegedly
I live on the coast of Maryland and we’ve seen more whales and sharks become beached and dead than ever the last couple years.
If we are to sacrifice 200,000 cows to the CO2 deities to reduce the greenhouse maladies, we shall also sacrifice whales to the wind deities to bless us with their wind energy! As it is said, it shall be done!!
We have met the enemy and it is us!
Amen ! Also they could have made public barbecue or send meat to countries that need food. Climate emergency is a cult all praise green god that gave us solar and wind !!!
This is a control tactic for forcing us to eat what they want us to eat. People who fall for the lies about the climate change are not researching what the facts are. It's about reducing the population and the control over us. Eat bugs and grass lab grown meat is the plan. Digital currency will be a way for controlling what you're allowed to buy. Wake up people and get the picture