The Ramming of the HMS Victoria
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- Опубліковано 7 січ 2022
- On the 22nd of June 1893, a powerful Ironclad battleship of the royal navy was lost. But it wasn't lost to gunfire or enemy torpedoes, but due to a bad order and a unwillingness to question such orders. In one of the worst peacetime tragedies of the royal navy, glaring issues in the chain of command and how orders were received were revealed.
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I can’t imagine the guilt he felt and passed with. Your last words and thoughts being “It was all my fault” knowing you just got hundreds of your brothers killed, only to die with that with that. That is so deep and tragic. He was right to an extent but it was a mistake and definitely didn’t deserve to go out like that
Trivia on this wreck, the commander of the Grand Fleet at Jutland in 1916, Sir John Jellico ,was assigned to the Victoria and was on board at the time of the collision. He got out through a porthole.
I'm sure thousands of British sailors and millions of Brits probably wish he wouldn't have. I know Beatty probably would have
@@OtterTreySSArmy I think we're better off for him surviving. I'd rather take Jellicoe's leadership than some of the rest of the higher up Admirals at the time. Beatty is good enough a leader, but his personal character is somewhat worse compared to Jellicoe's.
@@majormidget2704 my b, I got them mixed up I think. Beatty was who got the battlecruisers blown up
@@OtterTreySSArmy Np, I don't think lax flash safety measures were unique to Beatty's ships (I think the wreck of HMS Black Prince - armoured cruiser has some latches undone on a flash door), but his negligence and cavalier style definitely play a role in the vulnerability and losses of BCs to a flash fire.
@@OtterTreySSArmy most of those battle cruisers tbh had a lot of lax safety protocols along with some design issues which were fixed in new battle cruisers under construction
I'm a longtime sub of Drachinifel and I do voice acting for some of his episodes...Letting Maritime Horror fans know I already suggested to Drach to do a collab :)
That would be so awesome!! 🤩
I would wholeheartedly be down for it. I'm a big fan of Drach.
I didn't know you voiced his stuff too, gonna check it out now
I would like to see a collab as well. Powerhouse combo of maritime video content makers right there.
Subbed to both channels. We the people want this!
Btw, Drach's Midway Collab was really good stuff
As someone who volunteers on a museumship myself I'd like to thank you for the little statement you said at the end. Museumships have really suffered during the pandemic globally and I would again encourage anyone who can to consider supporting your nearest museumship, either military of civilian as they offer a unique experience compared to a normal museum
My favorite museum ship, a Soviet B39, was decommed during the pandemic. I had, entirely by accident ended up being able to see her one last time before she was sent to be scrapped. It's truly a sad state for many museums.
It was tripple expansion engines not boilers
Sorry to reply to your comment a month later, but I'm interested in donating to museumships. I don't have plans to travel any time soon, so I'd rather donate from afar for the moment. Any idea where I should start? Is there an online resource I could consult? An association website, perhaps, to give me an idea of what's out there?
Regarding an answer to my own question, here's a Wikipedia page listing military museumships, located both in the US and abroad. I'm no expert, so I can't say if it's comprehensive, but it's a place for me to start learning more...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_museum_ships_of_the_United_States_military
@@thefourmoodgroups2589 I'd highly recommend visiting the museumships website. there are plenty of ships listed there. if a ship catches your eye look up its website and 9/10 times they were have a donations page there
That's wild how she sank straight down. Must have been so terrifying for those poor sailors trapped on board.
10:29 For those confused, like myself. He's talking about the Dreadnought VI, which predated the more famous Battleship HMS Dreadnought (VII).
the brits have like 4 names for their ships and they rotate every few years
invincible
dreadnought
victory
@@yowtfputthemaskbackon9202 Witty, ain't they🤭??
@@yowtfputthemaskbackon9202 British ships are either four names drawn from a hat, or the best fucking names imaginable. There's no in-betweens, it's either Invincible for the fiftieth time, or it's Warspite or Iron Duke.
@@yowtfputthemaskbackon9202victory? Victory hasn’t been used since 1765 because HMS Victory is still commissioned.
I would love to see this channel do an episode on the USS Iowa turret explosion in 1989 and the ensuing botched Navy investigation. Fascinating moment in US naval history.
Yes, that was truly a tragedy, covered up by the Navy.
It seems the Navy has a very high failure rate at both cover ups and internal investigations. But perhaps that is just an illusory perception :)
@Budahbaba No that isn't perception. Just relatively recently, we have Tail Hook, Fat Leonard and Captain Crozier just to name a few.
what about an episode where they sank USS America
I remember that tragedy, having a 'backstory' to it, also.
Something to do, with 'Bro-mance'🙄…………
One of the most unique shipwreck for being one of only few wrecks which stood vertically (the other one I could think of is the Russian monitor Rusalka).
There was the famous ‘vertical wreck’ in the Gulf of Thailand which was carrying fertiliser. IIRC the bows were very close to the surface whilst the stern was stuck in the bottom at around 60 metres. I wanted to dive on it in 2001 but it required a dive boat to get out there (it was about 6 hours from Raying) and stay on board overnight. It broke loose from the sea floor after a cyclone.
As a old salty sailor, I have my shellback card from 1985 aboard the USS Constellation CV-64. I love your channel and plan on binge watching as many videos as I can. I love the sea and Great Lakes and I feel bad for those who never knew the sound of the churning ocean and watching dolphins as the sunset in The Straits of Malaysia out at sea. It’s something i will remember to my dying days, and I thought it was going to be my life. But I met and fell in love with the women who would become my wife. And she was not into dating someone who goes out to sea all the time, 36 years later and a wonderful daughter it was the correct choice. But I do miss my times at sea in the Pacific and Indian Oceans and the Arabia and Bering Seas and my fellow shipmates. It was fun times and dangerous as well. But for those brief 3 years of being a filthy sailor going port to port were some of my greatest memories as well. I loved working the flight deck and was in Heliantisubron Eight the HS-8 ‘Eightballers “ My father was correct in saying if you loved the sea, it’s a love that never dies!
Greetings from one who was with USS Saratoga at about the same time you were with Constellation. Well, with a Tomcat squadron in Sara's airwing We crossed the line in the Indian Ocean.
Huh, my dad also still has his shellback card from when he and VFMA-141 Green Knights cruised on USS Ranger CV-61. That also (I'm pretty sure) was in 1985 or around that time. Dunno if you ever sailed alongside Ranger in 1985, but if you did then its very likely my dad was aboard her.
I have immense respect for those who put out to sea. It's a calling, it's in you or it isn't. I keep you all in my prayers, and wish you calm seas and good fortune 🌹⚓
For those of you are retired, you have some awesome memories.
You might want to tell the Creepster there is a ghost story that goes with this tragedy. During a get together at the home of the widow Trion one of her guests said how happy she must be that her husband is home, swearing they had seen the admiral in the drawing room, before anyone before news of the accident had made it back to London.
Yes! I only just posted about how I first came to know of this event from that story being in a book I read as a kid.
@@JagerLange ua-cam.com/video/m_fnsDyByjE/v-deo.html
@@JagerLange Thats how I knew about this too. Was a kids book of illustrated ghost stories
@@LB1973 That sounds cool. Mine was a basic paperback so I had to imagine what stuff looked like :P
Ghosts don't exist
I've been to the USS Massachusetts twice. I slept overnight in it the second time. It's eerie being inside such a massive ship with all that machinery and it's stone cold quiet. It shouldn't be that way. It's like being inside a cadaver. That ship should be alive with the sound of the engines beating inside it.
I know one of the guys that rediscovered the ship while diving in Lebanon.
Standing straight up from the bottom like a skyscraper. A truly amazing story all by itself.
The triple-expansion refers to engines, not the boilers. It means that the same steam goes through 3 (at least) cylinders of increasing size in succession, each time expanding and thus pushing the crankshaft around. Thus, more bang for the buck than the original steam engines where the steam only went through 1 cylinder and then was either lost or sent to the condenser. Of course, this only became possible with improved boilers able to make steam of higher pressure than before, which had to be harvested through multiple cylinders before turbines came along.
And you missed the major fallout of this accident, which was the denigration of Tryon's improved signaling method, which would have helped the RN a lot in WW1, because it, rather than its erstwhile-esteemed author, was blamed for the disaster. This was somewhat exacerbated by Jellicoe having barely escaped with his life from this sinking. And thus you can trace many of the RN's signalling problems at Jutland to how this accident was spun by its contemporaries.
Each expansion passage had a smaller temperature drop which meant less energy loss to the cylinders etc.
TheBullethead you are correct about it triple expansion referring to the engines not boilers. So I'm hoping you can be just as clear about why, how, boilers explode when seawater floods them. If appears to be a fact that should not be questioned. So it goes. However physics might also suggest that rapid cooling should cause implosions of the live steam lines, but not an explosion. What am I missing ? Do you understand why boilers explode if flooded ? If so, please share and set me back on a steady and acceptable course of thinking. : )
@@georgewallis7802 Most triple-expansion engines had 3 cylinders of increasing diameter. The smallest was the high pressure straight off the boiler, then intermediate pressure, and finally low pressure. But as powerplants became bigger, sometimes they had 2 low pressure cylinders, thus a total of 4.
@@travelertime4382 Cold sea water coming into contact with hot boilers causes thermal shock to the metal of the boilers. This cracks the metal, allowing the high pressure inside the boiler to bust out.
It does seem counter-intuitive, at 1st, because you'd think the sea water would put the fires out and cool the boilers, thus reducing the pressure and preventing an explosion. But water has a very high specific heat, meaning it takes a lot of time and/or energy to change its temperature very much. This is what makes it so useful for extinguishing fires and as a working fluid for steam plants. But due to this, the metal of the boiler fails before conditions inside the boiler change very much.
@@TheBullethead yup you're correct my bad, i got confused by the extra LP cylinder on titanic
There are several books on this accident. "Admirals in Collision" being pretty much just about it. "The Rules of the Game" only has a chapter or two on the incident (it's about signalling and mostly Jutland) but is much more readable. The best guess as to what Tryon was thinking is that he confused the tactical space required for a 90 degree turn for that of a 180 degree turn (most "equal speed" turns were 90 degrees, full reverse course turns were rare) and then ignored his staff's worries because he had the thought in his mind that it was "safe", until it was too late.
Rules of the Game is a good read. You need to have a base level of interest in naval warfare of course, but it goes deep into understand just what the RN was attempting to do with command control and just how much of it they ended up getting wrong.
@drewdederer8965= Tryon’s orders are crystal clear: alter course in succession by 16 points (ie. 16 x 11.25° = 180°), the left column to starboard and the right column to port. I can’t see how 16 points (180°) could have been confused with 8 points (90°).
There is however an implicit assumption in these orders: that the leading ships in both lines start the maneuver exactly at the same moment! But this implicit assumption is only that: implicit…
There is a possibility that Adm. Tryon may have had in mind a "staggered start”: i.e. that the two lines would maneuver as ordered, but starting with a time differential of a number of seconds, this time lapse being determined as a function of the time needed to reach the "segment" (distance) between the ships in the other line.
Thus, the ships turning 16 points in succession precisely at the location where the preceding ship has turned would not collide with the opposing ships of the other line (doing the same maneuver, but in "staggered mirror"). These ships, would pass between their opposing ships and their ‘aft sailors’ (followers in the line).
This assumes that the segment of distance between the ships (in each of the two lines) is the same for all ships in both lines and that it is long enough to allow for the length of the ships passing sideways.
This also assumes that the number of seconds by which one line is delayed in the start of the maneuver is calculated such as the midship of the battleship in this line would cross (approximately in its middle) the segment between the two corresponding battleships of the other line; this calculation depends on the length of the segment, on the speed, on the turn radius (which must be the same for all, ie. the radius of the least maneuverable battleship), and on the distance between the two lines.
If If one draws a diagram on paper, the "staggered maneuver" appears clearly feasible; however if this maneuver had not been prepared (i.e. calculated) beforehand, it definitely would not have been of an "immediate execute" nature. But at least it would not have been a demonstration of sheer stupidity from the Admiral, only one of misunderstanding coupled with blind obedience from the Commanding Officers of the two lead ships.
One wonders what has become of the following battleships in the two lines after the collision of Victoria and Camperdown; With the shore approaching, it must have been an absolute pandemonium!
By the way: the original maneuver ("simultaneous mirror" 16 points turn) can be seen at the beginning of the British film "Kind Hearts and Coronets" (1949).
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@@christianfournier6862 "Equal speed" maneuvers (which is what they were out doing), were predicated on everyone keeping the same speed and turning together or at the same point(s). Tryton wasn't out of the book at the time, he hadn't even hoisted his T I signal (correspond to me as best you can), which would have set several admirals sweating bullets. This is why the argument is he forgot how much more space he needed for 180 turns (90 degree being the standard type), you don't uncork something like interweaving lines without preparation (if you even tried it).
Markham never even ordered reverse engines. He was a a noted stickler, but not the brightest or most enlightened salior, and had a interesting court martial (he got off for obeying orders, but you get the impression no one was dazzled be his brilliance).
Parodied in "Kind Hearts & Coronets" (1947) aka The Gentle Art Of Murder, in which Alec Guinness who was playing 8 roles, managed as Admiral D'Ascoyne to do similar and went down with his ship. If you've not seen the movie, its one for the list.
As usual, great job.
I think her engines were triple expansion. Boilers, as far as I know, only expand once.
Bravo Zulus.
Yes, high pressure boilers.
An interesting and sad postscript (as well as a reminder of the casual racism of the time) to the loss of HMS Victoria is the death toll of 358 doesn't include the various Chinese and Maltese employed on board as laundrymen, cooks, matelots etc who may have drowned. No one thought to bother to try and work out how many of them were on board, or were drowned/survived.
didn't know that; something worth remembering. always did find it interesting that von muller's laundrymen chose to stay with emden, despite the circumstances
given the timeframe i would almost come to believe the issue was less racism and more the overall neglect towards human life in basically everything people did back then.
@@yowtfputthemaskbackon9202 Quite so, life was cheap and plentiful.
@@yowtfputthemaskbackon9202And more even more so in an officers vs ratings environment (read upper class vs working class)
Thank you for mentioning "Fall River, MA" and battleship cove. As a lifelong resident here, accept my thanks for the kind words and help.
Not really relevant to the video, but I just want to let you know how much I love your channel. I got recommended your video on the Edmund Fitzgerald in November and quickly binged your entire back catalogue. I'm far from any kind of naval buff and haven't really ever delved into the subject, but your videos are wonderful, approachable, and informative. They've made me more interested in naval history in general and really broadened my horizons on the subject
This is exactly what happened to me
if you want to get more into military naval history i realy can recomend Drachinifel to you he has a great yt channel
Yup same here, great channel ☺️
@@warhead_beast7661 already found him thanks to this channel and subbed, but thank you!
Same. My only special interest in naval history was due to time spent as a civilian working for the navy as a machinist after they provided me with an excellent apprenticeship, but the boats and ships I worked on were all existing after the year 2000 when I began. My uncle is one of my best friends and just retired a few years ago after enlisting before high school graduation, being the other reason for my interest. Finding this channel has given me more reason to be interested since this guy does such an incredible job in every aspect of the videos he makes. I only wish we all could've learned about various aspects of history from people like this guy long ago.
This channel is going to be huge one day.
Ah yes as long as we know how many officers died, never mind the plebs let alone the Chinese and Maltese non-rated laborers (ie: civilians) who were not even counted. It's a pity we have no examples of ships of the line from the Victorian era left, they were beasts.
PS: Engines are triple expansion, boilers are not.
These are military ships. They would not have civilians aboard during maneuvers.
Incorrect, people like stewards and stokers were often not rated, they were civilian employees of the RN. @@leechjim8023
If I might add to the viewers of the audience some info: while the armor values are incredibly high, it is worth noting that this is not the same type of armor that we think of today, it is of a lesser quality than Harvey or Krupp armor that was used during both world wars. Just something to add, great video like always
The Harvey and Krupp armor was already being used on the successors of the Victoria Class ; The Majestics, so still pre dreadnought.
Thanks for bringing the THICCest, most rammy boat to my attention!
AHAHAHAHAHA.
Just a quick note, I assume that you were referring to open and forced "draught" when talking about the ship's boilers, if so I would point out that "draught" is simply the British English spelling of "draft" (as in a draft of air) and is pronounced the same way.
Much like draft / draught beer . It’s just a difference of spelling in English from UK and USA .
@@peterf.229 As funny as it sounds, American English in terms of spelling seems closer to its Germanic roots than British English which seems closer to French when it comes to spelling.
The -gh(working as an f sound) vs f is a French vs German thing too. There's lots of words in German and French that have that difference so it's just funny to see that play out within the same language.
If you're wondering how that's related at all, britian was invaded by the French speaking Norman's changing the whole language to be more French. But because America has had a tenuous at best relationship with France and historically had a much larger Germanic influence(and surprisingly has for its entire life, the founders considered actually having the King of Prussia be the monarchical representative of the US, but decided that if we had another monarch it wouldn't be great optics so they decided against it).
@@OtterTreySSArmy Interestingly enough, much of the French influence in British English comes from the past 200 years, especially during the period of the French Empire/French domniation of Europe during the 19th Century. Modern American English is actually closer to Colonial Era English - including that of main land Britain - than modern British English.
@@J.G.H. I have heard that this working difference is down to Webster's efforts in the United States to update spelling of words to better match the pronunciation. Most didn't stick, but I though Draught/Draft was one that did.
@@J.G.H. building on that, its southern accents that are the most similar. Not like, larry cable guy southern, but, your grandparents type of southern. That accent you hear from a lot of ww2 vets. Its getting very rare now sadly.
A good factual account of a terrible tragedy with no bias, you gave the facts as they were, no drama. A lesson in why blind obedience to orders is dangerous.
As someone who loves US Chemical Safety Board videos because of the detail they put into recreating incidents, you can really paint a scene with your words like nobody's business.
I love those video's too!! I thought I was the only one!!😂
I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW MUCH I JUST LEARNED AND HOW I WAS COMPLETELY CAPTIVATED. HOW DO YOU PUT SUCH DEPTH AND DRAMA IN THESE SHOWS. THANK YOU 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
I remember reading somewhere (a Ballantine war book IIRC) that the orders also included passing port to port, a maneuver that would have been safe to execute, but that the commanders did not grasp the import of that part of the orders.
RIP to the Jolly Jack Tars who perished particularly those who were in the engine room and must have had a terrible passing. Fascinating story I did not know about. Great Vid.
Well, at least it wasn't one of those November storms that sank the ship.
It's not the storms on the GL - it's the bloody stupid designs and the even more bloody stupid captains - ships have a tare rating for a reason.
So all the ships in the Great Lakes that sunk were all bad designs and apparently overloaded? Last I hear there might be 20 k wrecks in the Great Lakes, I find this idea absurd
@@peterf.229 6000 ships sunk in great lakes
@@rosiehawtrey There haven't really been that many stupid Great Lakes captains, but McSorley definitely was. "Heavy weather guy", didn't turn on the radar until it had iced up and couldn't turn. Also questions about hatch cover discipline. Also, standards of the day allowed deeper loading, ie more structural stress, and boats (correct term for them) went out in dangerous weather. Now they tend to anchor in a safe spot or stay in port for a storm.
Congrats on your first full year, and hoping for many more. This channel has very quickly become one of my favorites!
Being here since the early days I'm extremely happy your channel has grown, as it deserves!
Awesome video, as always!
Man, you're one of the coolest youtubers. Thank you for the call to history, and putting the content before yourself, truly a passionate man.
Just found this channel this morning and love it. Can't wait to see more.
Favorite of the fairly new channels, been listening for about a half a year now. Love every bit of it
So cool you were in Battleship Cove! I always love visiting the ships. Another great video as usual. I love when they’re built around ideas or lessons learned; in this case the dichotomy of obedience to orders and the inverse when such orders are manifestly unsafe or immoral.
Glad you're back for 2022. Really enjoy your videos & looking forward to many more.
Thanks for the tip! I talked my family into visiting Independence Seaport Museum here in Philly and besides the museum I was able to stand on the USS Olympia where Commodore Dewey said "you may fire when you are ready, Gridley." That was during the Battle of Manila Bay. Also toured the sub Becuna, but most interesting to me was the four master barque Moshulu which raced the Cutty Sark and others during the tea races. Too much history to mention here, and I owe the inspiration to this channel.
I had to Google the wreck, they have photos of it, "lawn darting itself into the bottom" is a pretty accurate description. The thing settled vertically at the bottom, quite the interesting ship wreck.
I absolutely love these videos your channel has grown so much since I found it. Incredible work.
This was a fantastic episode - really cool to hear about peacetime accidents!
Love your work. You should cover a similarly tragic story of the aircraft carrier HMAS Melbourne and it’s ramming of the HMAS Voyager and the USS Frank E. Evens. Both destroyer escorts who turned across her path while manoeuvring to take up pilot recovery positions in preparation for flight operations.
The almost identical incidents occurred years apart.
Glad you are still releasing content. Thank you!
I absolutely agree with your closing statements. Leaders should always be respected, but they are human beings as well, and are more than capable of making mistakes. Officers have a duty to protect the men under their command. If the leader gives an order that could unnecessarily cost the lives of people under your command, then you have a duty to question that order.
Congratulations on your first Anniversary. This is the first episode I have listened to and the Victoria tragedy has long held a fascination for me, covering several of my main interests including military history, early ironclads and unsolved mysteries. I include the last one due to the report at the time of Lady Tryon and her friends seeing her husband at their home during a gathering, held at the time of his death occurring. Anyway, I'll listen to more of your episodes now that I've found this one. P.S. this is the first time that I have posted one of these comments. I'm afraid I'm a bit of a Luddite with tech! Cheers, Paul.
Having watched your channel since the summer of 2021, it does my heart good to see how much your channel has grown in that little bit of time. I remember when your video's playcounts were in the thousands on average. Now they regularly dip into the tens of thousands, even hundreds. I like telling my friends about your channel, the interesting content & the always stellar production quality. And i always look forward to see what you'll talk about next. Still hoping you'll mention the Sobral Santos II someday, but honestly I'm just just so happy to see your channel prospering as much as it does now; it really gives me hope for when i start posting content regularly. Fair winds & following seas to you captain :)
I agree. Having half the channels subscribers, technically, watch his uploads.
I see channels with millions of subs, while having about 50-100k views each video.
Which is laughable at best.
I have no idea why people sub if they arent watching the uploads.
Ridicolous.
Agreed. This guy does an incredible job and I hope very much for him to receive more and more appreciation, respect, and views that ultimately lead to monetary gain that he deserves and continues to earn.
I get so stoked to see new ones of these on the front page. Well researched, super neat, and your passion and knowledge is so obvious and cool to see. Please don't quit making these!
I love the work you do . Very informative and every episode grips my attention
Excellent start to the year, I can't wait to see what you have coming up
Apparently, the wreck of the Russian monitor Rusalka is also embedded bow first in the seabed.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_monitor_Rusalka
Marvellous mini-documentary on an oft-forgotten disaster. Thank you for your insightful, balanced, and informative videos. You should join forces with Drachinifel! I'd love to see what other naval / wartime disasters you could collaborate upon.
There is a great study on British Naval command culture during the period 1885-1916 covering the loss of HMS Victoria - Andrew Gordon "The Rules of the Game" well worth reading.
Welcome back.. Been watching your uploads all of December while on standby at work... Can u do some shipwrecks around the South African coast.. Maybe Durban in particular as I am from Durban
3:43 Did you mean triple expansion engines? A boiler is roughly akin to a gas tank on a car. The steam expansion doesn't happen in the boilers, but in the cylinders of the engine.
This video was great, thank you. I especially liked how they found the wreck in 2004 "lawndarted" into the ocean floor.
Haven’t even started the video and I know it’s going to be top quality, interesting and educational!!
Just discovered your channel. This video was excellent. I'm looking forward to watching more.
I've always loved the look of Victoria, and have wanted to do a model of her, preferably in 1/350 scale. That design is so unique.
It is also very good of you to request that people donate to our museum ships or museums rather than donate to your channel. A very stand up thing to ask. Our museum ships are such critical pieces of naval history.
Godspeed
I am glad that I came (accidentally) across your channel. I wasn't even searching for maritime disasters. But everything happens for a reason. I am enjoying your videos and even more so, your narration. Keep up the good work.
Very interesting video! That's a subscription from me!
I don't know if it would be in your wheelhouse, but I would love a follow-up video about the inquiry that followed the Victoria's sinking. From what I understand it was one of those moments that really laid bare some of the Royal Navy's worst tendencies, leadership-wise.
This was awesome! I wait to ride out a full year with your channel!! Here's to the new year 🍻
I can't get enough of these videos
I love your videos! I was wondering if you've considered doing one on the Marquette & Bessemer No. 2 from Erie? It's a very baffling mystery and was never found despite being much taller than the average depth of the lake.
I love these videos and their aura so much, I need to know what music you chose to put in the background though, it really does add so much to your videos!
I have membership to my local Dockyard in Chatham, UK. There's a WW2 Battleship HMS Cavalier, The Sub HMS Ocelot (which I've still not been in), and HMS Gannet a Merchant navy vessel. They also have a collection full of historic Lifeboats from the very first to modern examples to explore as well as a lot of Military vehicles and regular new exhibition events of everything from Sea Monsters, to literature. In the summer they host a gaming and technology festival where you can sit in recreations of old living rooms and play old games, try axe throwing, buy movie props, watch a robot wars tournament, or even see professional wrestling. If you're in the south east of the UK it really is worth it. This isn't a promo thing, I don't work there (I'm a medical professional at the nearby hospital) I just really like the place.
I first came to know this story by way of a book about the supernatural/paranormal/spoopy things I read as a kid. It was included because of Vice-Admiral Tryon supposedly appearing in his home in London at the same time that the collision was taking place. My interest in that possibility didn't go much further but the incident itself stayed in my mind and I then read into it later on when I could.
It was also significant at the time of reading because, as much as people say the British weirdly like to highlight their military failures, I'd never heard of a Victorian flagship being lost of its own error.
The vertical shipwreck.
Great vid MH, fascinating information. RIP to the lives lost on HMS Victoria.
The wreck photos are quite creepy! Another great video my friend!
another great yet tragic story, keep up the great work
Happy New Year and looking forward to more stories.
I'm a new subscriber. I love your channel. Just found it about an hour ago. And watching... Edmond Fitzgerald is the first one. Very informative. Voice is nice also. Thank you.
My museum ship would BB-55 USS North Carolina, anchored down in Wilmington, NC. Ive only visited her twice, but she's a beautiful ship, and im glad she was saved from the Washington Naval Treaty.
my name has two B"s, I was born in 1955 and once lived in NC, I was fairly young but I believe my family once toured that ship...
Gorgeous ship, I remember hopping up on the 40mm bofors and aiming and turning them, I’ve got a piece of her teak deck.
Oh so lucky. All I can remember is the heat of the day, and all that overpowering metal..I probably was only 3 feet tall or so...Dad was 30 year Marine Veteran so we did lots of trips like this....
Love this channel, but I’ll be a lifer after the donation directive at the end of the video. Spot on and well said!! 👏👏👏 Keep at it and we all sure enjoy what you create.
This was a very great video. Very well made and see you in the next video.
I love your content and I'm always excited to see new videos.
I grew up in CT, and I remember visiting the USS Massachusetts... Did you know she was both the first and last US ship to fire 16 inch guns in WW2... Also none of her crew were killed. (According to Drachinifel)
Loving your channel man, you should cover the battle of may Island and the 1917 Halifax explosion.
between this and The "Battle" of May Island, i get nervous whenever the Inflexible is mentioned
Oh, come on! Steam engines on submarines; what could possibly go wrong?
Thank you so much for covering so many interesting maritime topics.
Also thank you for making the effort to do metric conversions for those of us outside the USA. Most Imperial units just baffle me and a sense of scale is important.
Great video. I love the respect you show for the subject.
New to your channel but love this and the Fitzgerald video got me to sub. I went Air Force but I still think I should have at the very least gone Marines, love the Navy chow halls and the dynamic of the two branches working so closely together. Thanks for spreading the knowledge of these events and God bless.
Nice vid dude, great explanation of the event, thanks.
I will certainly take your advice about museumships: In the UK where I live we have some amazing ones including HMS Victory (Admiral Horatio Nelson's ship) and the Mary Rose (King Henry VIII's pride and joy) in Portsmouth. In Dundee, not far from where I live in Scotland, we have the RRS Discovery (Scott of the Antarctic's ship) and alongside her is the HMS Unicorn, one of the six oldest ships in the world, a 46 gun sailing frigate from 1824....but there are many museumships all over the world and they all play a vital part in maintaining our naval history and heritage.
I love your videos but wish you would include overview maps (or detailed charts, as appropriate) to give a sense of locations and maneuvers. In this case, a diagram of the sailing order and how the two columns turned into each other would be helpful.
MH. You are shaping up to be the American 'Drachnifel. ' I am a DocuWhore from the Great Lakes Region. And all I want to say is... Thank you! For being a Coastie. It was my dream when i was a young lad. Good luck to you and your adventures my friend!
Most excellent once again, thank you.
Huge respect to you for your donation suggestions.
Another great video! ONE thing that caught My eye was the drawing at 16:58. It shows the ship listing to PORT...yet per you and all the photos you've used she was listing to STARBOARD. NOT saying you're wrong, but I certainly found this interesting.
I don't know if you've visited her but the Battleship Texas is in dire need of help. She is a beautiful and valuable piece of history.
I was having difficulty maintaining focus on other channels’ videos today, usually abandoning them within just a few minutes. This presentation of yours had my attention from beginning to end. Brilliantly told. Thank you.
Very good video. You've got the makings of a very successful channel.
Hey, was wondering if you could make a video of the sinking of the SS Ceramic. Great content, keep it up!
Being nosed down into the seabed proves the large gun concept won't allow the ship to right itself...or the depth of water is just to shallow. Interesting wreck and great video, well done!
Cool wreck, tragic tale, thanks for the video!
Great job as always!
New to your channel and loving the videos mate, I'd love to see a video on HMS talisman, it was a navy sub in WW2 that disappeared in the Mediterranean and still remains missing and the exact reason for it's disappearance is still unknown. I was a cadet in my earlier years before joining the British army and every sea cadet unit in the UK is named after a royal navy ship or sub, ours was ts talisman. Since then I've always wanted to know what happened to the sub and why it vanished.
Amazing videos, love your channel! A suggestion for a future video, how about the 1904 sinking of the Danish steamer SS Norge. It was the worst maritime disaster in the North Atlantic before the Titanic.
You should do a video about the Francisco Morazan shipwreck. That ship has a very interesting past. Love your videos btw👍
This was my first visit to your channel. Nice video and tasteful narration. One thing though: the maneuver would have been much easier to visualize with some graphics. Using things like port and starboard with two ships involved makes it kind of hard to follow. And that's from a skipper himself ;-)
PS: subbed!
Sir, thank you for giving both metric and imperial units. We should all use one unit but that won't happen anytime soon so....
Wow. A support pitch delivered on behalf of someone else. Amazing. Good on you, Shipmate!
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