BREAKING‼️ ROBERT MORRIS SON IN LAW REACTS TO HIS 'MORAL FAILURE'
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
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I think we can all agree that the actions of Pastor Robert Morris of failing to confront his sin and proceeding with life like nothing happened has caused harm to a lot of people along the way. Besides Cindy Clemeshire the victim of his abuse, his family, wife, sons and daughters are experiencing an unprecedented season of pain and shame. It's a difficult position to be where someone you loved and admired comes out to be an abuser. Relationships are in jeopardy.
The entire Church as a whole is impacted by this. It wounds the entire body of Christ.
Yes, 100,000 parishioners worshipping at a false prophet who was preaching nonsense and lies about tithing (well, it's not mentioned in the New Testament) and lies about himself and his personal dealings and life, too. Sad.
Compensation for Cindy Chesichire...no more victimising the victim.....talk about her !!!!!
They need to stop gossiping.
@@EstherSusa
They need to stop thinking of themselves.
This is completely about Cindy.
@@jimmieclark4638absolutely 💯 these are SELF RIGHTEOUS church people 💯 instead of getting their own affairs and house 🏠 in other they ridicule/crucify those they fell from grace 💯 ALL have SINNED and come short of God's glory 💯 if God will pull the cover from under them, will they stand 😮
@@jimmieclark4638Okay. When someone rapes YOUR kid, even if I see it happening, I promise you, I sure as hell won’t “gossip.” 😂
❤ yes please 🙏
What I want to know is WHY Cindy's parents didn't have Robert arrested? Why isn't Cindy mad at them? That was unconscionable.
Good point
Good question. The cover up is almost as bad as what happened.
Because the woman was always blamed and victum shamed. Her name would be dragged through the mud, and she would take all the blame & shame. It us still happening to Cindy. Morris wife & other elders blamed her for being promiscuous. So shamefull. They would have accused the poor child of having a Jezeble Spirit. Still acting the victum. A child was raped.
Good questions - I am sure she has had to work through forgiveness of them all.
Same here
It’s not an allegation it’s what happened, so his son in law saying it’s an allegation is just wrong and not dealing with the facts.
Getting paid!
Good point
Still blaming the victim! This whole family is sick. To call this an allegation when this demon never denied it is wrong in every way. They should ban the entire family from the church and fumigate it. PS and most of the leadership.
It’s an allegation until he’s found guilty by law. The police would say the same thing as would others in or outside of a church.
This man is obviously devastated for his wife and children.
@@RR-ss7dn I’m not an attorney, but when the predator admits to doing what he is being accused of doing. I don’t think you need a very high IQ to recognize this is no longer an allegation.
So doing bad things to a pre-teen girl is called "moral failure". Nice sidestep.
And a lie
It's rape by a predator!
a lot of times people who abuse were abused. It's none of my business but I'd like to know more of his upbringing.
Forgive Cindy....wtf...she was a child !!!!!!!.. Debbie forgive yourself for your cover up
Her parents failed her 💯 the father knew about it 😮
Robert Morris’s wife is in denial! How do we know he didn’t molest his daughter’s friends or her. Mrs Morris is sick too!And very very uninformed about abuse,parenting intelligent choices.... etc etc etc,,,, I can not! What a stupid greedy woman, and she knew and stayed with him!
I’m guessing that Robert’s wife Debbie believed the lies that he told her. Do you think that he was honest with her?
@@linegrant4605that’s what I’ve been saying and seems no one else is. The second her dad found out, he should have notified legal authorities. Her dad is just as guilty for not protecting his daughter. Someone abuse my child….God help you because I am screaming from the rooftop until someone does something.
Debbie was complicit so that makes her as guilty as him!!!
Pedophilia is not moral failure it is a criminal offense.
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My comment is that the family knew of this, so why wait till now. Like me, I wouldn't do it because I forgave all ppl who SA me I have forgiven all of them I've moved on. This happened 50yrs+ it would drudge up things a long time ago, so I wouldn't do it. Unless she was hounding him and trying to get something from him,when it didn't happen the way she wanted to, she came out in the public w it.
YES!!
David? Murder and adultery, total lack of empathy (untiul Nathan) have you given up hope seeing David in Heaven? How often do you heare a sermon about Uriah? The ultimate victim who allowed himself to be "taken out" his heart was so broken...
Tithing is religious extortion, so we are told to not even eat with an extortioner.
Has anyone heard Robert publicly apologize to Cindy and tell her none of this is her fault that she was just a child that he was responsible and only him.
nope
Has anyone heard why Toby and Susan did not report this to the police? Nope.
He needs to contact her attorney and make an offer of let's say 10 million
@@edanderson8413It’s not about the money. Trust me, I know. Two of my siblings were victims of child sex abuse.
@@tomkat1883Would any loving parents want their little girl to be crucified on the stand (2nd rape) in court? Nope.
I'm just going to pray for his son-in-law and all their family.. I'm going to also pray for Cindy and her family and the entire body of Christ!🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
And for Robert Morris too.
I'm going to pray for all of them as well. But, I'm also going to pray that justice is served !! This is happening too much in the Church, and I'm believing God is cleaning up His House, for His return!! He's separating the wheat from the tares!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
🎺 MARANATHA🎺
Pray for Pastor Robert and his wife too. It is God who tells us to pray for our enemies and bless those who persecute us! Pastor Robert is not an enemy but one who had sinned and if he had repented, forgiven by God!
@@sherri2337 it's a wake up call for the church 💯 too many SELF RIGHTEOUS church people, lipservice and compromising 💯 they're playing church thinking that's not me😮 ALL have SINNED and come short of God's glory 💯 Repent and forsake those sins or you will be exposed publicly too 💯
@@rowinastanley5521
Amen 🙏
It has been said that his wife Debbie knew and she told Cindy that she has forgiven her. Forgiven the victim?! For what?!
You don't know all that went on. You're making assumptions based on what has been said. You don't know how this " victim" conducted herself in the years proceeding the initial incident. In fact you only have an account that has been thoroughly gone over ( if not created) by a legal team which specializes in winning these types of cases.
@@desireealexander5922 do some research, stop coming to the defense of predators. Gross. His email correspondence with her (admitting and confirming her allegations) are out there. If you have child I would hope you’d be concerned with protecting her from pervs than making excuses. Just reprehensible
Jack, I am very much for the protection of children. My statement comes from being the wife of a middle school teacher who served for over 30 years. His female students ages 12-15 did and said many shocking things over the years. It is NEVER appropriate to touch an underage child. I can see how the victim would have done things that she needed to apologize for. Because I have seen kids this age do and say many things that were grossly inappropriate.
@@desireealexander5922 that’s possible. I believe that happens. That’s not the case here. I’m tired of the secular world despising the church. That being said we can’t cover for the wolves. It does harm.
U need 2 deal with ur husband!!! The child @ the time is Not 2 blame!!! The adult is!!
He has been lying , acting and denying this for a long time.... hoping it was going away. Big mistake!
Your sin will find you out
It's all about the Morris family and the victim kicked to the curb
It's all about trying to do damage control and preserving the MEGA Profits, the Almighty dollar 💵. That's what it's about for them!
Cindy needs to be reimbursed for the counselling, plus extra for all the pain and suffering she endured. I can't even begin to imagine what all she went through, and by someone who was supposed to protect her and do right! 😡😡 No wonder St. Paul said what he said about not putting new Christians in positions of power! It's not just about pride, but also about unfinished spiritual business, aka deliverance, sanctification and character development! Morris severely lacked all the above!
Sir, can you please either play the pastor speaking or quit talking over him! As you are talking it sounds like the Pastor is in the background moaning and complaining, it sounds awful. Either let him speak or speak then play his words. Why the over audio? Had to turn it off it sounds so bad. (I know, the content of the video is more important, that's why it should not be a convoluted mess of audio.)
Yes, I agree, it's very annoying. I just wanted to hear the Pastor's words, not a voiceover! And slowing down the Pastor's voice in the background sounded positively eerie!
My thoughts exactly. There was no point in doing that weird slo-mo of the pastor speaking in the background. Weird.
My prayers are with everyone who is hurting following these allegations. There is a lot of grief . A lot of processing and praying through this awful situation. May God give you peace and strength.
Amen
His wealth blinded people including His family. shame, shame, shame for the church...
This is about a little girl called Cindy who was violated, used and abused then discarded, this little girl is now a women, but the little girl is still broken and her life destroyed.
Let us ask Cindy what she needs to help her heal and have her life restored.
Cindy has asked Robert Morris for the help she needs from him and he has denied her.
So Robert Morris has denied Cindy but JESUS will not be denied, our LORD loves His children and Cindy in her suffering will be helped by her Heavenly Father, she will not be denied.
That is His promise, He will restore the years the locusts have eaten.
Let us pray for Cindy, for her complete healing and for her peace to be restored in full to her life. Amen.
Amen🙏🏻❣️
Amen
Well said. I would add he didn't just deny her needs, he threatened her with a lawsuit if she spoke out. Righteous anger should be our response to this.
Exactly....A LITTLE GIRL!!!!This is RAPE.....for 4years!!!!!It is a CRIMINAL OFFENSE AND HE SHOULD BE IN JAIL!!!
@@carriemccurley-th8gn
God will judge us all one day , be careful yourself pray for tomorrow so you won't stumble. You know your own sin that you battle daily.
Amen! What a sobering reminder! GOD bless and heal Cindy! What a horrible burden for a CHILD to carry around until she is now well into her 50’s! 35 years of hurt, anger, confusion, depression, shame, trauma, embarrassment and all types & levels of just plain ole “Jacked-Up!” So sad!
Amen 🙏 a real genuine Christian 💯👏too many SELF RIGHTEOUS church people 💯 condemning the pastor like they never sin before 😮 ALL have SINNED and come short of God's glory 💯 get your affairs and house 🏠 in order 💯 if God will pull the cover from under you, will you stand 😮 I'm sure you have skeletons in your closet too, but you escape from being exposed publicly 😮 this is a wake up call for the church 💯 too many lip service and compromising 💯
@@linegrant4605 Here's Scripture that I think addresses this issue very well:
1 Cor 5:9-12 NIV
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
Amen while they are quick to uncover everyone elses.
Stop blaming the victim and face responsibility, Robert Morris committed a crime
You don’t care about a repentant soul?
@@kathrynbraun2073 what repentance? Blaming the victim and pretending to everyone she was an adult and it was just a "moral failure" instead of r-pe of a child and pedophilia? Sorry, but I don't see any repentance yet on his part. We can forgive but we can also demand justice for her and all victims.
@@starsalign9336 there was no sexual intercourse, ie no rape
@@starsalign9336 she was a, “young woman” at the end of the molestation-age 17 by her own admission
@@kathrynbraun2073 she was 16, and he sexually abused her for 4 and 1/2 years. Why are you defending this pedophile?
Colossians 3:12-13: “As the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.”
2 Corinthians 13 ✝️
Examine Yourself
take notes
It’s not difficult at all. Admit what he did and condemn his actions.
You don’t need counseling Cindy needs counseling
Perhaps estate planning once the settlement comes through.
@@tomkat1883 Ouch! I like the way you think
@@tomkat1883What are you implying? That Cindy is a grifter? Hmm…Cindy is out an awful lot of money because she has needed psychotherapy after being RAPED for 4 years as a child. She’s just a little person with no money. RM’s worth? Oh yeah, 117 million. And he LIED about Cindy, telling everyone that she demanded into the millions. But it’s just not RM’s lucky day, because we have the receipts…she only asked for 50 THOUSAND. For 10 YEARS of therapy that she had to pay for out of pocket. And in his greedy-ass mind, that was just too much. Looking forward to seeing HIM being thrown into hell fire like a used piece of toilet paper that he is.
I think Robert needs some one-on-one counseling with the Lord. And a real good place for that is a prison cell
@@brucesmith8680 That is SO TRUE! We have all heard of people who are addicts who overdose a week or two after parole. It’s heartbreaking. These child sexual predators can NEVER be trusted ever again!!! If you tried to start a new kind of church that is ONLY OPEN TO ADULT PEDOPHILES (i.e. NO KIDDIES PRESENT) I’d be willing to bet 💰that NOBODY would show up. My theory is that most of these predators are sociopaths who aren’t interested in Jesus or G-d at all. Our area had this one pedo named Kenneth, who used to go “church hopping.” He’d go from church to church and take 5-year-olds aside (little girls), so he could chat them up. Turns out, he once was a member of my sister-in-law’s church, and he was a SUNDAY SCHOOL TEACHER and he was molesting the little ones. His own daughter he did! My brother was once molested by a woman Sunday School teacher. It just pisses me off! But that’s reality. Been that way since time immemorial.
I would appreciate it if you would help Cindy get better by paying for her counseling. Not sure you need any
That’s unkind. They are family and are close to the source of the pain we are all feeling. Of COURSE they need counseling, as does Cindy. Robert should be GENEROUSLY providing Cindy with money since he’s a millionaire. It’s the least he can do.
They need the counseling for all the anxiety they have about losing profits, maybe?
I think Cindy is receiving tremendous support and vindication. Please remember Robert Morris’s children are just now finding out…what a horrible shock and devastation…please pray for them too.
I don't believe that they did not know enough to demand many more answers don't be foolish.
He did live his life as if nothing happened, and for anyone to say he didn't is being an enabler for his criminal behavior! He chalked up his criminal behavior as an inappropriate relationship with "a young lady!" No, she was a child! Anything he did during this time is for naught. You call it good, it's chaff in the wind! He should have never been allowed to preach again when found out the first time!
How would youbhave responded to King David's moral failure if you were around at the time! He was an adulterer, liar, schemer and murderer who also tried to cover up his sin until confronted by the prophet Nathan, who assured him that God had forgiven him. 1Kings 12:13
How do you know that 😮 SELF RIGHTEOUS Christian 💯 those with out sins cast the first stone 😮 get your own affairs and house 🏠 in order first before you even ridicule/crucify others 💯 ALL have SINNED and come short of God's glory 💯 if God will pull the cover from under you, will you stand 😮 I'm sure you have skeletons in your closet too 💯 sweep around your own front yard.😮
@@linegrant4605What you just said is the reason why I’m so thankful that G-d delivered my soul from Christianity, and now I’m so happy to be a Messianic Jew. Christianity teaches that G-d looks at all sins the same. Like someone who lets a bad word slip out is just as much a sinner as a man who commits Class 1 felonious sexual assault and battery against a CHILD. So in other words, you can be a career criminal, but as long as you’re a popular and rich pastor, you get a free pass. How convenient that Christians don’t wanna believe what Yeshua said…”He who offends one of these little ones who believe in me…” ⚡️🔥
Besides not ever preaching again, Morris should have went to jail. I mean we're talking he was a pedophile criminal, after all!!!
Here's some Scripture that makes your point beautifully:
1 Cor 5:9-12 NIV
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
How many people will look at this event and say, THIS IS EVIL! Why do Christians act like this? I don't want any part of their "religion." And once the facts are known the church community splits, causing even more hurt and pain. We, as Christians, are called to a higher plane. Period.
And how much pain has cindy's entire family suffered for all these yrs As RM became a multimillionaire
So everyone is praying for the family of the abuser how about reaching out and praying for the victim, her healing and other victims of sexual abuse from pedophiles!
@mercyee6013 exactly! 100%!
I agree!
Robert Morris committed at egregious criminal act against an innocent child for 4-1/2 years. He is a predator of the worst kind. He robbed this child in the worst way. Although the statue of limitations have expired on the criminal side
He and any co-conspirators that cover up the CRIME can be sued for FRAUD., as they were after the fact. All need to be exposed for the sake of the precious children "ALL"
If a crime was reported in the first place, then the "cover-up" narrative becomes moot.
How would you have responded to the sin of King David had you been around at the time which he too tried to hide until confronted by prophet Nathan. King David was an adulterer, schemer, liar and murderer and yet Nathan reminded him in 1 Kings 12:13 that God had forgiven him.
@@rowinastanley5521 King David was exposed by a Prophet,.....and David paid a price. His newborn son died, and he suffered losses for many years. TODAY WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT! David did not 'get off" and go back to his life.In fact, he TRIED TO COVER UP the sin by giving Bath Sheba back to her husband to cover the pregnancy; the ploy didn't work, and to further cover it up, her husband was placed in a place where he would be killed.It wasn't just adultery but MURDER,....King David did repent, and God allowed him to keep his crown, but not without having to fight for it from his own son's grasp. So there was no 'going back to usual routine" with a quickie. I'm sorry. Please reread the story.
@rowinastanley5521 King David finally confessed his sin publicly after Prophet Nathan confronted him, then he fasted and prayed - God did forgive him for his horrible, premeditated murderous acts against Uriah, a man that was loyal to him. But God still allowed the child that he conceived in adultery with Batheseba to die. That was a consequence of David's wrong doing, and he lived to have more til he die. What consequence has Robert Morris pedophile/child molester submitted himself to after the egregious crime he committed against this child for 4-1/2 years. Which will FOREVER change Cindy's life of safety and protection in which she was robbed of and the THEIF lived on her home, where she had a right as a child to feel protected NOT stalked. God is merciful and will forgive us, if we confess our sin. That has nothing to do with him running from the law for the crime that he Committed against a child - not ONCE, but for 4-1/2 years. Please wrap your mind if you can around that horrible ABUSE. He needs to PUBLICLY apology to Cindy, turn himself into the authorities for the crime against this child, register as a sex-offender and let the law take due Process. Paul was imprison many times teaching the gospel of Jesus Christ, but his heart was changed. Robert Morris is STILL playing games, calling LITTLE GIRL a young lady, EVEN blaming the child. SICK!, SICK!, SICK! His mess can become a message in a "PRISON MINISTER" where he belongs, but he is a COWARD.
King David and Bathsheba were adults. God forgives, yes, and two adults sinned. Robert Morris is a criminal AND a sinner. @@rowinastanley5521
Morris has been preaching a false prosperity gospel for years. Are we really surprised this is his fruit?
He preached a lot of false stuff
Theese are wolves in sheep clothing hurt a child but preach a gospel.
Also He never repented . He got caught and shamed victim and just trying to save face.
He did this for over 4 years 😮
Repentance is you feel bad first time you do it and stop and tell on yourself and admit what you did and beg to be handcuffed for hurting a child .
Not keeping on keeping on doing it till the victim tells someone. You'll are sick 🤢
Christine Blasey Ford is most likely impressed with all of this.
🤣🤣🤣 SELF RIGHTEOUS church people 💯 get your own affairs and house 🏡 in order first before you ridicule/crucify someone that fell from grace 😮 ALL have SINNED and come short of God's glory 💯 sweep around your own front yard 💯 if God will pull the cover from under you, 😮 will you stand 😮 I'm sure you have skeletons in your closet too 😮
@joeanahunt totally! The church can't really heal when the pastor never repented, committed multiple sins (abusing the child and lying and covering it up, further abusing Cindy by blaming her) and the church is just doing damage control instead of cleaning house. The law firm is just for them to do damage control. They're not doing a real investigation and don't seem to really care about making any restitution to the victim and their parishioners and learning from their sins and mistakes and making sure they change their behaviors and this never happens again.
💯 And here's Scripture to back it up:
1 Cor 5:9-12 NIV
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
How many people will look at this event and say, THIS IS EVIL! Why do Christians act like this? I don't want any part of their "religion." And once the facts are known the church community splits, causing even more hurt and pain. We, as Christians, are called to a higher plane. Period.
@@starsalign9336 💯✝️
So true
How this makes You feel ..how about how Cindy feels ...really
If the actual crimes he committed is not enough to disqualify him from ever being a pastor again, then maybe the cover-up for 42 years will. And the willing participants in that decades long cover-up should also never be in ministry again. In full reality, they all should be in prison. Maybe Robert Morris next mission field will be inside prison... for decades.
If no one pressed charges at the time. Why would they be in prison?
If someone commits a crime against you, but you don't press charges against them, how are they going to end up in prison?
@@ruth6110 The child doesn't have the maturity to press charges. She was a victim of Robert Morris and her parents. A double whammy! Yet people still pile it on her today that she cannot get justice. Do you think she should just shut up and take it?!
@@ruth6110 Exactly right!
@@tonyallen4265 Or sell her $800K home if she can't afford it.
How would you have responded to King David's moral failure of adultery and murder if your were around at the time. He too tried to cover up his sin until confronted by Nathan the prophet! And yet Nathan reminded David that God had taken away his sin 2Samuel 12:13
You as his son n law seem very sincere ...God bless you and you family ..the lord ,and holy spirit shall be your helper ..seek him ,,ty for your message
If we don’t forgive we will not receive forgiveness!
Here's some scripture that addresses the incident here very well I think.:
1 Cor 5:9-12 NIV
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
I am sure Cindy is working on that.
Like it or not his sin is covered under the blood as he has repented before God
Praying for Pastor Ethan, wife, children & church family. We the Body of Christ feel your hurt & pain, 😢😢because when one member suffers, we all suffer together: and that includes Cindy & her family. During this time of great anguish may God’s wrap-around PRESENCE bring you ALL, MUCH COMFORT AND PEACE. SHALOM !!!
Enough with repenting... what about what youre doing for Cindy...how do you think she feels right now....enough of your poor suffering!!!!! A nightmare for Cindy!!!!
OMG I was molested when I was a child and I didn’t ask for money. I just went on my life and got over it and forgave .
Her father knew it💯 and they failed her💯 now she's retaliating 💯
@@jimmieclark4638
Everyone is different, there can be no comparison.
What affects one person a certain way may have a completely different effect on another person.
We are not the judge, our LORD is the judge in these circumstances. He knows us all so intimately, He will have His way. The hand of GOD is at work.
We must listen to Cindy, to her sufferings and to her needs, she is the victim who was violated, abused and discarded.
Cindy is trying to find the healing she so desperately needs.
Cindy deserves her healing and her peace to be restored in full.
Let us pray that the cry of her heart is answered without delay. Amen.
@@jimmieclark4638 praise God for your life!
@@jimmieclark4638 yup me too. I actually turned out to be a decent person too …. Only because later in life I found Jesus
Hola, hello beautiful world God Almighty bless all ❤️that was very Sick thing to say!!i'm a servivor of sexual abuse i was blamed by family members i was abused at age 10 it started when i was 10 different times different people abused me and different ages I was blamed from different family members including my mother
So sorry to hear this. All will be made right one day.
So sorry to hear this! I pray for you and all children who are abused.
Emmanuel is always with with us the Bible says when y o u r father and mother forsake you the Lord will take you out.
I am so sorry this happened to you. And, unfortunately, having adults who are supposed to protect you deny what you know is true shatters anything that you thought you could trust.
I pray healing over you, in the Name of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
@@alycewich4472 thank u kindly,God bless you.. Thank u for your kind words , prayers and compassion ❤️🌈❤️
Be not deceived: God is not mocked. For whatever a man sows, that he will reap.
Galatians 6:7
No matter the spin that Morris and his lawyers and elders put on this matter, God sees everything and will recompense the victims (and Morris).
We as believers are praying for the Gateway church family. There is always reconciliation in the body of Christ ❤😢❤
What about Cindy? Aren't you praying for her?
Amen 🙏
@@elmyra.jacksonshe said the Gate Way church. That's everybody in that church, dah😮
@@linegrant4605 Don't "duh" me. I asked what I asked.
But he should never be a pastor again since he could not own up to being a predator.
I dont want to hear anymore about the poor Mortis family ...only whatvyoure doing about Cindy...respond by paying her for her unbelievable pain.
Her parents failed her 💯 the father knew about it, did you know that 😮
@@linegrant4605Are you getting mixed up with the Mica Miller case? Her father obviously knew about that one because JP left his wife and kids to carry on a relationship with Mica, who started out as a 14 year old. But I never heard about Cindy’s parents knowing. But regardless…Cindy needs HELP. And the Morris family is worth 117 MILLION. I doubt a measly 50 grand is gonna break their bank, you reckon?
So its all about the money?
@@dawnweatherill6561 No, it’s not ALL about the money. But most crimes, including sex crimes, end up COSTING victims a lot of emotional pain, and yes, MONEY. For which they deserve COMPENSATION. This is why the Bible proscribes people who commit crimes to be made to compensate their victims. For any theft, for example, the fine was FOUR TIMES whatever was stolen. The punishment for crimes similar to what Robert Morris committed, because it was adultery on his part, usually involved the death penalty. If his wife preferred, then he would have to pay a huge portion of his own life savings to Cindy’s FATHER. Mainly because her chances of contracting a stable marriage when she’s fully grown, are slim to none. And that would cost her father a lot of money for his daughter’s future upkeep, plus that would make her dowry greatly reduced, should she be lucky enough to find a man who is interested in marriage.
Bull snot! No one ever mentions the victim like it’s their fault! This is one major reason people of the world do not want JESUS! And even the family is just as bad as the guy who did the abusing oh the poor abuser screw that! And the wife I can’t say what I think of her. This whole damn thing is sickening and God is the FINAL judge and jury.😡😡😡
Her father knew the abused 💯and failed her 💯
@@linegrant4605 bs. Her father went to the church pastors and demanded they dismiss and remove Morris or he'd go to the sheriff. They did and I don't think her dad ever imagined for an instant that any church would take back a child abuser. Robert wormed his way back in, lying and dissembling, and the church elders who knew (Tom Lane) covered for him and attacked his victim to boot. Sickening.
When a PASTOR sins, it harms the entire flock. In this case, the pastor downplayed what he did by calling this 12 year old CHILD a "young lady." When an adult calls a woman a "young lady" he's talking about a grown woman, not a child. Here's some Scripture that makes my point better than anything I can say.
1 Cor 5:9-12 NIV
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
How many people will look at this event and say, THIS IS EVIL! Why do Christians act like this? I don't want any part of their "religion." And once the facts are known the church community splits, causing even more hurt and pain. We, as Christians, are called to a higher plane. Period.
I rest my case.
You have to do the simplest of math: none of this would be before us, if, he had not done what he did. That's it. He is responsible because he did it the first, second and so on times.
If the devil can remind you of your past, he will rob you of your future. Robert Morris' ministry has done much good for many people. Holy Spirit has clearly worked through this man for many years! I think people are who are continuing to whine about this sin, need to grow in their own relationship with God and Holy Spirit. Cindy should be compensated for her counseling, but after that, I think HER PARENTS need some accountability in allowing it to happen under their noses! I pray that Robert Morris will continue to do whatever ministry God calls him to.
@marymeens1184 the bible is clear on what disqualifies leader.
He committed a crime that he never paid for. What kind of example is that to a flock? He should be setting a better example by taking and accepting responsibility for his behavior. Yes, we need to find forgiveness and move past this, but he should never have been or be in a leader role according to the Bible he preaches from
It’s like back in school when the coaches son always started and played the position that he wanted above many other athletes that were more qualified… what a shame! These inner circles must not be…
why the Son inlaw is defending him.
why fame and richness of this pastor keeping people quiet and afraid to get rid of him from the pulpet. he has gone against God's order for pastoral leadership.
REMOVE Him from leadership. throw his money at him. He does not deserve to preach....period.
How 😮 another SELF RIGHTEOUS Christian 🤮🤮
When is Robert Morris going to come before the camera and repent??
First he should go before God and repent,right?
He doesn't need to repent before any public. He supposedly did that years ago....not only to God but to Cindy and her family. We act like we are Christians and forgive until its the unthinkable. That's between God and him...thats between him and Cindy.
@cindycleveland6069 He said he repented and then continued to abuse her for four more years. Open your eyes!
Where is Robert?? Why hasn't he spoke!!! I am a survivor of this type crime and his silence is disgusting to me!!! WHAT A COWARD!! HE SPOKE WHEN HE WAS COVERING IT UP AND LIEING ABOUT MOLESTING A CHILD , SAY SOMETHING!!!
There's an old saying, "If they will lie they'll steal". You can officially move that one to the TRUE category.
I shared in the news post that as others, I too was appalled to learn of the truth of the dirty details that Robert kept secret. However, my heart is broken for the innocent, including Debbie and the family, as well as the victim, Cindy. I am brought to the realization that Jesus died for the sins of everyone, and forgives those sins by the sinner's confession and repentance, no matter how horrible and ugly the sin. I pray for all involved and have faith that the Lord is in charge of the healing and restoration of all involved. I plead all Christians to look to the Lord to work all things for good, for all involved, including looking to Him for vengeance and consequences.
@kpetty1907 Not so fast! Debbie Downer the Jezebel is NOT innocent. There is nothing innocent about a woman who continues to abuse her pedophile hubby by implying that CINDY did something wrong. That is called “gaslighting,” and it’s one of the most egregious forms of abuse there is: EMOTIONAL ABUSE. I believe Jezebel was/is concerned that her career as Christian Socialite is now in jeopardy…whatcha think?
yes, EXACTLY...thank you!..God bless you!!🙏👍🏻🤗💜
Why in the world would Debbie tell the victim " I forgive you" ? You're going to tell a child who was preyed up that you forgive them? Wrong on so many levels. My thoughts on how she could do this is Robert is such a convincing gaslighter that she literally fell for his twisted story.
@@tamimoncrief2264 Someone commented that if Robert were a produce manager at Albertson’s, Cindy wouldn’t have brought any of this up. I say that if Robert were a produce manager at Albertson’s, DEBBIE wouldn’t have tried to throw Cindy under the bus, as she’s been enjoying his 117 MILLION $$$$$ for years 🤣
I agree with you wholeheartedly with one slight difference. When a PASTOR sins, it harms the entire flock. In this case, the pastor downplayed what he did by calling this 12 year old CHILD a "young lady." When an adult calls a woman a "young lady" he's talking about a grown woman, not a child. Here's some Scripture that makes my point better than anything I can say.
1 Cor 5:9-12 NIV
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
NONE of this was done with the pastor. He was also allowed to return to the ministry, continuing to lie about the "incidents" that were being covered up by people who should have known that was wrong. He really suffered no consequences for his actions. Even now, he's handing down his church to his son and will speak occasionally.
How many people will look at this event and say, THIS IS EVIL! Why do Christians act like this? I don't want any part of their "religion." And once the facts are known the church community splits, causing even more hurt and pain. We, as Christians, are called to a higher plane. Period.
I rest my case.
Why has Robert Morris become so close mouth? And others are talking and praying for poor Robert what a sick world. I dont no how ppl can stay in that church. He made a laughing stock out of the ppl.
Rather he made laughing stock out of truth of God. May the dear Lord journey the church through this very challenging time.
I can't believe that the congregation is no more stunned and crushed as everybody else. The situation is a betrayal greater than they can bear because they are the congregation. A great tragedy has come to them and all they can do is watch it unfold.
Who are we , I am the member of Gateway dont worship Pastor my focus is in body of Christ ppl who focus in Pastors will change Church everyday I pity them just focus on God changing Church is not the solution its running from this to the worst , Bible is my Principle to focus on the Cross not Pastor
Proverbs 24v17-18 Do not rejoice or gloat when your enemy fails. We need to pray for Pastor Robert Morris. I don't like what he did, but we need to pray for him and for the person he wronged.
The church I mean the real Church the Apostles themselves judged and removed sin in the church. Jesus said better a millstone around your neck than the place in hell for those who harm child. It is right to call it what it is no one was crying over Judas Iscariot .he never got saved to begin with or you can’t do that .to another person . We are talking about using a little girl like yesterday’s newspaper trash. That is not Gods will and He said He was cleaning house in judgement so let Him . Morris is displaying behavior that is a pattern among sociopaths criminals with his victim blaming and deception.pray for the now woman who is a Christian and if there are other victims he said in his sermons he looked for vulnerable young girls who didn’t have a good relationship with with their father. Total demonic
@kelliem1562 I am not saying not to remove the sin, but what I am saying is do not gloat or rejoice when one fails but simply to pray for them. Yes, he should be punished for what he did but that doesn't mean I have to rejoice and gloat over it.
@@kelliem1562 I think the parents decision NOT to report this to police is also demonic.
@@mommaweathers3620@mommaweathers3620 What's gloating exactly? When we see punishment for gross sins that have done great damage, is it wrong to feel righteous satisfaction?
Amen 🙏 too many SELF RIGHTEOUS church people 💯 instead of getting their own affairs and house 🏡 in order 💯 they ridicule/crucify those that their sins been exposed publicly 💯 ALL have SINNED and come short of God's glory 💯🙏 if God will pull the cover from under them, will they stand 😮 I'm sure they have skeletons in their closets too💯 make no mistake this is a wake up call for the church 💯
When one sins, many suffer.
You are the only one that really says it like it is. Thank you
Amen!!
When a PASTOR sins, it harms the entire flock.
How many people will look at this event and say, THIS IS EVIL! Why do Christians act like this? I don't want any part of their "religion." And once the facts are known the church community splits, causing even more hurt and pain. More walking wounded and fewer committed Christians.
Amen
And If people would take heed to this truth… "Sin will take you farther than you want to go, keep you longer than you want to stay, and cost you more than you want to pay".
He should have cared for her and not so much excuse him self through confacionfalls humility lieing the man truly is infielder had he loved jesus he would have made it right with her and her parents and left the results up to jesus
When we think that God is not going to judge us that God doesn't care God doesn't see that's when the harbinger comes when we take advantage of God's grace and we think God doesn't care he doesn't mind he's not going to judge us we bring our own destruction because of our pride
Paul Wilbur in unity
Forgiveness is a fundamental aspect of Christian faith.
God forgives us and expects us to forgive others.
Forgiveness is not just forgetting, but also letting go of bitterness, wrath, and anger.
Forgiveness is a process that requires effort and intentionality.
Forgiveness is not just for others, but also for ourselves, as we seek to forgive ourselves and move forward.
When anyone admits to a "moral failure," there has been no repentance. You can't sugar coat sin.
Yes, sugarcoating pedophilia essentially.
Our prayer's are with you and the family. From South Africa
Praying for you Ethan & Elaine & children, we are all heartbroken, it's so widespread like I was at Gateway for 3 years, my brother & sister in law over 20 years, God help us pray for all affected 🙏🏼
Robert should give Cindy the two million dollars she has asked for, but he won't because he loves money to much
Maybe more. 2 million is a drop in the bucket. Trump was ordered to pay his victim (E Jean Carroll) about $80 million dollars, but of course part of that is for defaming her, too. But Robert also told his victim she was "flirtatious", and had a "jezebel spirit". SIck.
I Dare say you do not know not read yet The Blessed Life which is about Giving and within the Body of Christ and the Lost. Gateway has been known and cited by ECFA as the MOST GIVING church in the USA.
I attended when so lived there and especially during Obummer recession and many in DFW were hurting financially. I could list all of the areas they helped not only me but MANY others showing Gods Love One for Another.
Please STOP with the pointing finger in IGNORANCE and Critical from a distance. News stories are that and its sad, getting so hateful and alleging to be HIS.
We look at DNA in the body in medicine and widely ignore the Bible says about sins of the Fathers passed down and generational curses if no one in Robert's family has acknowledged and generation ties the enemy had back them and dealt with them with the Blood and Word of our Testimony then it remains. I'm not sure how many of us have done so or Publically done it with our own sins and family dirty laundry known or not... Yet are #castingstones.
What do we know about Cindy? I'm not accusing her. As a female most of us sadly know some form of abuse. Its not ok. I also know that in the 80s many teens were strutting the Madonna outfits or slutfits and singing Like a Virgin which also is not an excuse simply facts and while he failed as a young adult male.... How many today use and are okay with the "Baby Daddy and Baby Mama" terminology in church and society?
Why is SHE doing this now? 30 years after age 18 Statute in Texas is up/out for her?
Every listened to or read Joyce Meyers testimony? Or Margaret Green? God will give Beauty for Ashes if we allow Him and partner with Him vs acting from our soul vs His Spirit.
PRAY for ALL of them for Healing and HIS will to be done vs casting stones and not seeing our own logs.
SIN, ALL SIN is SIN period and is unworthy of God's Presence. Its all a stench and without the Blood of Jesus not One of Us can be made Righteous, Clean, our Sin cast as far as the East is from the West and Be FORGIVEN. 🙏
His wife KNEW. And otherwise Robert Morris gospel is about getting rich off of hard working parishioners.
Sadly, money was Morris's message for the most part. He probably has never been saved. I feel so sad for his family, like his son in law here. Praying for the family!
Wow! "Robert Morris' gospel" sounds so theologically offensive, disgraceful and digesting to authentic Christian teaching. Morris has always struck real preachers and ministers as a snake oil sales, a spiritual dope dealers!
Thank you! Not enough people calling out the false prosperity gospel he propagated for years!
So as her father but failed her 💯
@@linegrant4605True, but he’s not the one who banged her either.
Robert Morris is a sicko!
It's all about the Morris family. Let go of the family "business". I know you're in shock, but there's no way to spin this. It's unhealthy to cling on, go out and start your own ministry if that is God's calling individually for you James, Josh, Elaine and her husband, who is speaking in this video.
Robert Morris...if truly repentant.... must publically confess his sin. The church can put out as many statements as they deem fit but it won't change a thing.
Yes, God forgives, however this does not absolve a person from taking responsibility for actions.
Robert Morris' children, in law children are not guilty by association, they must be utterly devastated.
May they seek God's Guidance and Discernment for a very long painful journey....
May true repentance and healing be found in Christ Jesus 🙏
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He has over and over again apologized, confessed, detailed his and the girls ruin. But in doing so, he commercialized the story in a book that did not focus on the crime to the girl. It focused on his doing and his Ephinay. He made it all about his fall, his repentence, his continuation. All the while, the girl for 37 years has been on her hands and knees losing her mind.
Full repentance requires full admission. He has never and will never publicly confess his complete sins. His public statements have always been a minimized story about the actual long horror campaign of child sexual abuse.
What is the responsibility of Cindy C. parents in all of this as well? They knew about the abuse long before anyone else yet didn’t protect their daughter by not reporting Robert Morris to the authorities. I think Cindy should answer that question as well.
Does God require that we all publicly confess all our sins to receive forgiveness?
Thankfully, we are not God, if we were, there would be no hope for any of us.
Family business
Hopefully people will use a lot more discernment in the future, morris always seemed goofy and super arrogant
It is time for church to take action. to get rid of serial predators. forgiveness allow them to stay where they are. forgive but take action to remove this kind of people from the position of leadership.
the all people in his congregation are victim. they Trusted and their Trust has been betrayed.
read scripture talks about leaders have to have High Morals..
not allowing him to preach is the best thing for him and for the Church , and for his family.
what are they trying to say. there is a Consequences for each action.
forgiveness is only on part of action. where is the rest of consequences? to be Remove from Leadership.
we are a wimpy society that there is no punishment for any crime.
look at our country have fallen in to the way side.
forgiveness fies not mean it is Okay go ahead and do what you do. ?!
Here's some scripture that addresses this issue:
1 Cor 5:9-12 NIV
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
Ephesians 4:31-32: “Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, with all malice, and be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.”
I watched Evans' message and I have to say that this is the first time there has been more scripture come from this pulpit in one sermon. Morris like to tell meaningless stories instead of reading the Word. Morris is worth 117illion dollars. He made that money off of his x congregation
That's horrible. I feel bad for Evans and others of Morris' family. He has bought shame on his family. Lots of these false teachers seem to to be exposed like a domino effect, FINALLY. Thank the Lord.
I agree with you 100%. Morris' false teaching about tithing (which is only from the old testament's "mosaic law" and not from the New Testament's "New Covenant" which doesn't ever talk about tithing). Morris' fortune is ill gotten, based on lying his way back into the church and being dishonest in his presentation of tithing as meaning people are stealing from God if they don't tithe. He guilted people into tithing, totally despicable. This man is not an honest man or a true pastor and shepherd of his flock. He should turn over those ill gotten gains to Cindy, to other child victims of sexual abuse and to his congregation.
@user-gJK watch John MacArthur or Voddie Bauchum or Justin Peters or Steve Lawson or David Jeremiah. THESE men are bible teachers, not Robert Morris. Please pray for the victim.
Actually, most Giving Church in USA according to ECFA. You are an arm chair critic who is actually IGNORANT and Macarthur is worth nearly the same. You are fooled and sucked into The Poverty Gospel which actually is false. Jesus himself had an accountant to keep the Purse and the Soldiers cast lots over HIS Garments please STOP IT.
Division in last days yet MY Bible says THEY (the Lost) will KNOW US BY OUR LOVE ONE FOR ANOTHER. Do you know the LOVE of Jesus? Act like it please. If not, SEEK HIM with ALL of your heart.
Have you ever purchased a book? A CD from anyone in or out of Ministry? Buy food? Shop online? Do you work for an employer? Own a business? Do they all make money? How many of them have Blessed you or anyone you know by paying their Rent? Mortgage when out of work, given houses and cars away to Single Parents in need, Gave gas cards, groceries, clothing? Paid for Counceling including other medical bills and even tuition and scholarships?
See I do know, I attended when I lived in DFW during Obummer Recession and many were hurting.
So, please please STOP it.
Lastly, ask MacArthur if he believes in and is himself baptized in the Holy Spirit. And if he or any family were ever in the Freemasonry cult and repented and renounced it fully and any Oaths taken (Sin according to the Bible and open door for the devil in many families)
This man seems so broken as the Body of Christ is grieving about this .
Where is Robert Morris ?
He’s hiding in his Mansion! Waiting for everyone to forget so he can reclaim his church! Not happening!
Morris needs to serve jail time for what he did to that little girl.
Pack of wolves in sheep’s clothing.
Scripture:
1 Cor 5:9-12 NIV
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
But God gives us all time to repentance
Making it right with the person we are all faverd loved by God but jesus thought us what to do by others
Very touching presentation. I am praying for involved and affected.
As we watch what's going on around us we know that the end times is here. We are called to pray, pray, pray. Pray for the abuser and the abused. Pray for their families. Pray for forgiveness, repentance and love- and most of all pray for none to be left behind when the rapture takes place. Stop judging because someday we all will stand before the Supreme Judge. Just pray for everyone even your enemies.
Here's some scripture about judging that I think is apropos:
1 Cor 5:9-12 NIV
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
@alycewich4472 Thanks so much for sharing the Word. My husband was also involved in adultery but I never gave up on him. I won him back by prayer and love. Only God helped me by being my strength during those difficult days. Today he is a loving husband. Satan came to steal, kill and destroy. I'm grateful to King Jesus for His Great Commandment on love.
1 Thessalonians 5:17 ✝️ pray without ceasing
Much respefy to uou and Elaine during this time much prayer isngoing up for you Godwill lead you❤
Real repentance is the condition for receiving forgiveness. God is judge, not we are. When we pray, we shall forgive others
and we will also receive forgiveness. It means all areas of life, not only abusing a kid. A pastor should try to satisfy the
demand of the victim to show repentance, even if it is all finances he personally owns.
Our sins cost Jesus everything, His whole life, all the pain, you know all the suffering Jesus went through.
If they keep his son as lead pastor or on staff at all, they are doomed. CLEAN HOUSE!
Ha😮 stop being so SELF RIGHTEOUS 😮 get your own affairs and house 🏠 in order 💯 this is a wake up call for the church 💯 too many lip service and compromising 💯
100% Agree! No Morris Family member should remain! Clean house and if it doesn’t happen….Leave!
The Bible says the children do not pay for the parents sin
I feel so bad for the family of Morris as they have been deceived and are “victims” as well.
What about Cindy and her family?
@@lisiaetv5478does that even need to be said? There are so many victims.
Robert M went to speak to the victoms father years ago. Why did he not make a case against Robert those many years ago.
Because stuff happens.
This is what I don’t understand. Her dad could have put him in jail then. I understand that RM went to Cindy and her dad and apologized to them. I think there is a lot more to the story, it just don’t all add up.
To go through a court trial is a lot of drama, and maybe he decided to not put the fami;y through all it and just wanted to get past it,
Not to mention, a pastor is a position of POWER and AUTHORITY, and unfortunately, pastors who scatter the sheep and eat them, are mentioned in the book of Ezekiel. So it’s common. Her Dad had no authority nor position.
Nothing is ever said about the victim. It almost looks like the perpetrator and those who enabled him are the victims. The narative is : look at our suffering, look what Cindy is doing to our church. Sadly this is too often the dynamics around victims disclosure.
💯 Here's some Scripture that I think addresses this very well:
1 Cor 5:9-12 NIV
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
I admire the daughter & son in law coming forward & speaking truth, the feelings & seeking help in dealing with the shock! This is very affirming to share & not excuse, cover or bury what has happened! God bless them in their honesty! That is a example of REAL christianity! So many diminishing his sin & all the lies to keep the man in his position because he appeared to be anointed. God will make right what has been wrong I trust that!
I'm so sorry this happened. I pray Cindy learns what true Forgiveness is so she can be set free. I think about Saul in the Bible. He murdered God's people and done horrible things. But God! God forgave him and used him in a mighty way. I hear how Pastor Morris needs to be exposed. He did that himself 38 years ago recieved counciling and repented . But this world thinks if it's not blasted all over the world it's not good enough. My heart breaks for all involved and Gateway church. We have ALL SINNED. But when we repent and ask God to forgive us then who are we to continue to shred someone apart. I'm not excusing what happened years ago . But God's ways are not our ways.
I hate how there's an invitation to whoever else this may have happened to. That's very tricky these days because there's some out there that wants there min of social media fame and would say it even if not true. Crazy world we live in.
But God!
So you believe Paul became a Christian then murdered a bunch of Christians then repented? Where is that in the Bible?
There is no degree of sin in God's Kingdom and no degree of forgiveness. Who are you to judge another man's servant? How do know what transpired in the heart of Pastor Morris at the time? Are you playing God? Allow God to do His work and you apply yourself to praying for your enemies and blessing those who persecute you, then you will be on the Fathers business! I suggest you Remove the plank from your own eyes before trying to remove the speck in someone else's eyes! David wisely choose the judgement of God and not the judgement of man because He knew that God was merciful as opposed to the self-righteous mercilessness of man.
I agree with you wholeheartedly with one slight difference. When a PASTOR sins, it harms the entire flock. In this case, the pastor downplayed what he did by calling this 12 year old CHILD a "young lady." When an adult calls a woman a "young lady" he's talking about a grown woman, not a child. Here's some Scripture that makes my point better than anything I can say.
1 Cor 5:9-12 NIV
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
NONE of this was done with the pastor. He was also allowed to return to the ministry, continuing to lie about the "incidents" that were being covered up by people who should have known that was wrong. He really suffered no consequences for his actions. Even now, he's handing down his church to his son and will speak occasionally.
How many people will look at this event and say, THIS IS EVIL! Why do Christians act like this? I don't want any part of their "religion." And once the facts are known the church community splits, causing even more hurt and pain. We, as Christians, are called to a higher plane. Period.
I rest my case.
For those God loves HE rebukes. It seems that all has had to go public to put light on what was covered up and swept under the rug. God expects us all to be truthful including the age of the girl when we reveal our sin. Had it been handled biblically this would not be happening now. It was never handled righteously. Sorry I got caught and will you forgive me Cindy are two different things.
I’m sure Robert is humiliated but Cindy had her innocence stollen by someone she trusted and respected.
My thoughts are where were the parents while all this was going on? Who lets a man who is approx 9 years older with their 12 year old innocent daughter?
That I don’t get. Parents always need to know what their children are doing g snd who they are with.
We are to trust no man. That’s scripture.
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One of my questions! Where was Morris' wife when he had Cindy in his room on Christmas? Why was Cindy in a car alone with Morris .. we trusted no one around our children as my husbands brother was molested as a child....
Prayers for Robert Morris, his family, the victim and the congregation.
Amen we should be praying for all involved if we are true Christians not laying blame to anyone God is the true judge not us, if all we can do is lay blame Satan is standing back laughing at all of us and calling us all fools!!!
Wake up people! Because if you let yourself, we are all pawns in the hand of Satan, and he plays all for fool ! and laugh at us!
Wake up people! Because if you let yourself, we are all pawns in the hand of Satan, and he plays all for fool ! and laugh at us!
Wake up people! Because if you let yourself, we are all pawns in the hand of Satan, and he plays us all for fools ! and laugh at us!
Wake up people! Because if you let yourself, we are all pawns in the hand of Satan, and he plays all for fool ! and laugh at us!
They should all go to kneel down before Cindy and ask for punishment if they want a real repent.
😢 Sadly every one is claiming that they are all victims him ,his family , his wife and the entire church and the real victim was Cindy 😢 i say run from this so called church its all about the money 💰 its false doctrine prosperity preacher's Gospel ....
It is hard to believe the wife didn't know "anything" she refused to acknowledge it. This is what I hate about the wives they dimiss the truth and other innocents suffer. That m.an was and is a wolf in sheep clothing, anyone with any sense should get out of that environment. Those who tried to cover it up are just as guilty. They dont want anyone to upset their STUFF. This is sickening just a shame. That man where ever he is is right now trying to fix a way to get out of this if you think he's sorry think again cause he is not. Praying for Cindy whose childhood was interrupted by a damn wolf. The nerve to even say he was a preacher is insulting!!! He needs to be in prision where they know how to deal with these kind of animals. Yea i am angry!!
How about her father knew it 💯 did he do anything about it 😮 her parents failed her 💯
@@linegrant4605What was he supposed to do? He had no power or authority in the church, and the Morris family are RICH SOCIALITES. They would have DESTROYED Cindy in court, and she was only 12! Would you want to drag YOUR little girl into court and be emotionally raped a second time…by the Morris family’s attorneys?? They had money to pay for the best attorneys in the country, and those attorneys would have put that poor little girl or her dad on the stand and did what Debbie and Robert BOTH have been doing…blaming and shaming their VICTIM.
Agree!! Jail time
Right, and Cindy's father is one of, (as you say); "Those who tried to cover it up are just as guilty"! He is the first to repent, for not being a parent, and calling the authorities, which would have opened this thing up wide!
I am shocked if not surprised at the level of nepotism within this church. I believe this reflects in its inability to properly investigate where there are things going on that require objective investigation. This all looks more and more like cover up, protect the cash cow.
What happened to having grace and mercy for others. Praying 🙏 for Pastor Morris, his family and ministry as well as all involved. 🙏🙏 God bless you all. 🙌🙌🙌
Yup grace and mercy for all. How about grace and mercy for someone who never confessed their sin? Why cover it it up with “moral failure” with a “young lady”. In reality it was child molestation/RAPE of a 12 year-old child over a period of years. Speak the truth not sugar coat it. She came forward AFTER she spoke with several church leaders on more than one occasion, no one helped her so after years of healing she had the courage to go public. IT WAS GOD’S TIMING THAT EXPOSED THE SIN OF CHILD RAPE/MOLESTATION. There are also consequences along with grace and mercy. GOD KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING. FOR ALL OF US HAVE SINNED. Pastor RM SIN IS BEING UNCOVERED AFTER YEARS OF COVER UP. Be careful how you suppose care for God’s people. It may takes days, months or decades to be exposed. THIS EVIL HAS BEEN EXPOSED. RAPE RAPE RAPE OF A 12 YEAR-OLD CHILD. Yup grace and mercy along with EXPOSURE & CONSEQUENCES. He never confessed child molestation/rape just “moral failure with a young lady” which is a strong lie. A 12 year-old is NOT a young lady. GOD HAS NOT BEEN PLEASED WITH THE COVER UP AND LACK OF TRUTH. THAT IS WHY IS ALL COMING TO THE LIGHT.
You said you’re praying for naming Robert morris and his family “as well as all involved”? Her name is CINDY.
She is the FIRST person who we need to pray for. She is not an “all involved”. She was 12 years-young, child. Robert Morris was in his 20’s a marriage man with a wife and baby who lured and was having sexual intercourse (raping) for years a 12 year-old child. And you’re concerned about grace and mercy for him and his family and never mentioned the victim. I have done sinful things in my life as we all have. This sin of rape is not talking about me and my sin or yours or anyone else’s. But a GROWN MAN REPEATEDLY HAVING SEX WITH A CHILD. (& NEVER confessed the truth-lied). DON’T PLAY WITH GOD WILL AND DID EXPOSE THIS EVIL THAT HAS BEEN COVERED UP FOR **YEARS**. No time limit on what God will do!
@@divineconnections5602 Here's Scripture to back this up:
1 Cor 5:9-12 NIV
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
I don’t think we learned anything about the destruction the enemy can do from the Catholic Church. He never should have been allowed in ministry. That is hard for me to say bc I really liked him. I went thru this with Jimmy Swaggart and I was such a baby Christian I thought he got set up!! It is also a solemn reminder to pray for our pastors and not put them on pedestals, bc they crash just like anybodyelse. I’m heartsick. I’m praying for him that he sincerely repent and face consequences. I’m praying for his family and Debbie, and Cindy and her family. We need to hold up Gateway, that Satan does not implode this fellowship!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏
Of course they as a family are going to be hurting. They have feelings too. They need to be comforted as well.
Even Morris' own grandchildren should be kept away from him.
I think we should all pray for everyone involved 🙏 God is still in control. We're not to judge but let God do his amazing works 🙏 we'll have to trust our Heavenly Father 🙏May God bless us'll 🙏 👵
It's every Christian's duty to pray for ALL men💯
According to Scripture we ARE to judge:
1 Cor 5:9-12 NIV
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
NONE of this was done with the pastor. He was also allowed to return to the ministry, continuing to lie about the "incidents" that were being covered up by people who should have known that was wrong. He really suffered no consequences for his actions.
How many people will look at this event and say, THIS IS EVIL! Why do Christians act like this? I don't want any part of their "religion." And once the facts are known the church community splits, causing even more hurt and pain. We, as Christians, are called to a higher plane. Period.
I rest my case.
What a beautiful, heartfelt speech… written by church attorneys.
Damage control!😮
Do you have proof of this or are you just gossiping?
No he hasn't apologize because he's a coward.
Definitely not easy for the family to walk around in public now. Sad, that they must go through this and we can only pray that they find peace in their work and God. May their children find safety from bullying and shame and may they grow stronger in their faith and relationships with their family and friends. May God Bless you!
You can forgive but He needs to face up to it and stop blaming her. I do feel sorry for his family but It wasn't just a little sin. People please don't forget. Some victims of sexual abused have committed sucide because of this very same thing. Please start looking from a child's point of view. She was only 12 . How can you blame her. He was a grown man, married and how a child. It is against the law to do this. He is a Pastor. We need to see what the bible says about this. It says Pastor's will be judged different. It is a thru out the NT how they are suppose to live. It is not what we think but what God's word says. Please really think abour it. Yes, by the way. I know what it like to be sexual abused starting at age five and being blamed for it. This puts a child in pure hell. They are afraid of everything. They don't know how to really trust people now. I even blamed myself because so call Christian's said it was my fault. But I wasn't abused by a pastor. It was so.eone else
The parents is to be blamed too💯the father knew it 💯
Here's some Scripture to back up your words:
1 Cor 5:9-12 NIV
9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.
12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
The children of Robert Morris are n leadership roles because they are related to Him.If he had been judged by the church elders hip scripturally he would have forfeited public ministry after his crime and his children would not have ‘inherited ‘ leadership roles at Gateway
Why now! Why wait so long to come forward! Please pray for all
Luke 6:37
" Don't judge, and you won't be judged. Don't condemn, and you won't be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
All the grieving and sadness. Where is the outrage?!