You will not like SMT if you don't like the fusing mechanic, because the way you beat the difficulty curves and stage bosses are by optimizing the summons through fusing to get the correct stats and abilities on a higher level monster with the correct immunities.
For me it’s Majoras Mask. I actually own it but have put it off for years! It’s because it has a timer. Zelda with a timer? Someday I’ll get to it but I’m always putting it off lol
I've played so much of MM. I know that the idea of a timer can be weird or stressful. However, in the beginning of the game you learn (remember) the Song of Time which you can use to reset the 3-day timer whenever you want. If you play the Song of Time backwards then it slows down time (30% of the original speed). So there's no stress really. You can play the game like a normal Zelda game and just clear dungeons if you want to. It's cool to go around the world on the 3 different days to see what's different or the same depending on the day. How's it sound? You own the game so go ahead and give it a try :D I love Zelda OoT, MM, WW and TP. Oh, and I forgot to mention that you'll play as a Deku Scrub, Goron and Zora in MM and it's awesome! I especially like the Goron and Zora form since they can move really fast:)
I hate anything with time limits but I played it for completionist sake, and it ended up being one of my favorite Zelda games. Definitely give it a shot if you love the series.
The Ryza series is big on crafting, which I'm not huge into either, and it was also my first Atelier game. The combat is fun, music is great. The story isn't supremely high stakes, and is more about friends enjoying their time together. I will say about the crafting: there are no consumable combat items. Once you make a potion, it basically becomes a re-usable spell based on the stats you craft into it. I can't say for sure if you would like the series, but I did enjoy my time with it and I usually don't like crafting/item management games.
Regarding Bravely Default 2, I bought it but put off playing it for awhile because of similar uncertainties. Once I finally took the plunge and started playing, I couldn't stop. It's best described as a turn-based final fantasy game without actually being called one; you can see a lot of SquareEnix influence in the game like the plot, items (Potion, Hi-Potion, Ether, Elixir, etc.), job class system, and such. Admittedly, boss fights have a steep curve to overcome because you can't just blindly attack, you have to carefully plan a number of moves ahead using the game's default and brave system where you can stock extra turns, spend said extra turns (which enemies can also do) in a manner similar to a game of chess. As you unlock more job classes (there's 24 in total), it's really fun mixing and matching different skills from different jobs to balance your party and each job has a different weapon type proficiency that determines what kind of stat bonuses you get from equipping said weapons. If you ever played Blue Dragon for the X360, you might notice similarities to the job classes and mixing/matching skills for party members. All in all, Bravely Default 2 is one of the best games I ever played and would recommend it highly; I don't normally pull all-nighters for games but this was an exception that warranted such effort.
I totally agree on Bravely Default 2 too! Cause, I'm still playing Bravely Default 1 on my nintendo 3dsxl, and I'm still loving it!! The battle and combat system is highly addictive, as soon as you figure out!! I Do Absolutely Highly Recommend Bravely Default 2 on the Switch!!!
I love Etrian but I am pretty sure its not for everyone. Basically you do the same thing over and over. Go into dungeon, draw maps (if you turn that function on), try to get as far as you can and then TPing back to town where you report quests and recover. You do like four maps before fighting a boss which is pretty difficult usually. The biggest enjoyment I got from the series was a sense of progression which i think is the point of these games - building characters from scratch (looks, names) and big skill trees. Nothing really looks good graphics wise. You just gotta like numbers and building your party members little by little.
With Ryza, I liked the story and combat. I did grind to get resources from monsters and plants. But in the second half of the game I did have to use a guide to find what I needed to craft next to move the story. And I would look up where to find resources on the wiki. Also it's Japanese voices with subtitles. I don't like but I knew all the Ateliers are like that. Wasn't bad.
@@femtrooper I think it's worth playing, even if you don't finish it! I particularly enjoyed that the character I expected to be the least wholesome was entirely wholesome. :)
OT2 characters do have some shared moments but it still feels minimal. Like, they don't interact within the setting they are in, take part in each other's stories, and it's idle chit chat, not really interesting to me. Sort of disappointed. Maybe it gets better.
One thing that's really unfortunate these days, is rental stores are basically gone. That would be a good way to try the games you're interested in before you fully commit. Some games have demos, sure, but it can be hard to tell if the demo is representative of the whole game, or just a slice of the game. Longer demos are better of course (looking at you, Square) but the initial point I brought up still stands. RIP rental stores.
Gamefly was a cool alternative for awhile but it’s up to $18 for a single game plan. As someone who buys budget games/waits for prices to lower that is the same as buying and owning 1-2 games a month.
Dragon Quest Monsters games may be spinoffs but without a doubt they have the most effort put into them of any spinoff in DQ history and Dark Prince is the best example of that. The combat is fun, the story is good, especially if you've played the mainline DQ game it's connected to there are a lot of exclusive and new monsters that you can get in it and the post game is a lot of fun as well. The story probably won't blow you away, but personally, I think it's just nice to see a game that has a connection to a mainline game after so long.
Paige, great list, and funny story - I've got a video coming out on Thursday that talks about a few of these games... In pretty much the same context! 😂 So I'm right there with you.
I just started my first Atelier game with Ryza 1 and loved it. The crafting isn't that difficult for a newcomer and the story and characters are so charming. You can always play on Easy difficulty if you need to. I'm working through Ryza 2 now and having an absolute blast. So far it's even better than 1 and I find myself doing every sidequest I can just for the character interactions and silly banter. The games I have been avoiding are Zelda BOTK and especially TOTK. They seem to have so many complicated mechanics I picture it just becoming a chore to learn and play through.
@@femtrooper no there are items you use to get a bunch of experience in battles quickly, so basically you get a job class you want some skill from, use the item, then thirty minutes later your back on your progression. I have beaten the game 2x and love it. Honestly hope they make another but anyway I never grind more than like 45 minutes and you don't even have to do that much really
Fusions are key to smt iv and v. And you’re right: it’s such a frustrating game since you need to stay on top of the best fusions plus you could always run into a random enemy that wipes your party. The story is fun in the sense that it’s the classic smt good vs evil proxy war that they love covering in their recent games. It’s certainly a game that i play in short bursts since it’s annoying to play sometimes but i do love the game overall.
Smt games are hard, but if you understand the press turn system and take advantage of buffs and de buffs, you may enjoy it! Personally I would wait for SMTV Vengeance that comes out in June. The fusion system is important to use in order to get stronger demons. Personally I love the series but I’m not sure how much you’d consider the bare minimum for demon fusion.
@@Riz2336I did exactly that in octopath 1 and I'm currently going through octopath 2 and i plan to do the same. The last bosses in both require so much grinding 🥲.
The atelier ryza series is fantastic. I’m currently on the third installment and I’m absolutely loving it. The first two were amazing also and it’s great to see that each game that succeeds the other ups, the quality and storytelling.
I absolutely love the level of honesty across all of these games that you’re talking about. I definitely don’t feel the same way about some of them, but I know exactly what you’re talking about. This was refreshing.
Ryza is the most stream lined out of all the ateliers, you can auto craft the items if you don’t want to maximize( mind you the crafting makes your weapons, battle items & story items) not all items are from gathering but also enemies, Ryza by far the “easiest” of the atelier series, the story is basically coming of age type, definitely recommend to newcomers also my favorite games of the series.
First of all, fun video! I don't think I've seen this type of format of video but it's a fun way to have a conversation about what games might appeal to people. For the ones I've played: Atelier Ryza: I tried this and dropped it after about 10-15 hours. From what I saw it was mostly a grind for resources, forge better items, use those items to beat stronger enemies gameplay loop. Music is nice and the atmosphere is very pleasant, feels kind of like an Animal Crossing or Harvest Moon in terms of tone. The story is very slow and laid back. DQ Monsters: This is actually similar to SMT in that the core of the game is collecting monsters, fusing them, and getting stronger monsters, so if you're not into that at all I wouldn't recommend this one. Story is alright, it's kind of a companion piece to DQ4 that follows one of the other characters of that game. Octopath 2: The sequel is an improvement on the first game in every way imo and fixes the few issues I had with the original. They do a better job of staggering the missions so there aren't huge spikes in difficulty like the first one had during campaign, but I wouldn't say it's significantly easier - some of the endgame battles are still quite challenging and there are superbosses at the end that definitely require grinding/planning. SMT 5: Again, collecting and fusing monsters is at the core of this game so if that's not your thing there probably isn't much here for you besides pretty visuals (if you've played Persona you've already seen a lot of the demons anyway). You're not missing much story wise, most people agree there isn't much of a plot in this one, we'll see if the updated edition fixes that. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: I'm actually playing this for the first time atm. If you're not into the collecting this might actually appeal to you because in this game you don't really have to switch up your group if you don't want to. Gameplay is pretty straightforward, some of the challenge is just managing your use of items in the bigger dungeons. Story isn't Shakespeare but I think it's cute and pretty enjoyable. I will say if you're just playing the campaign and you're not interested in the postgame grind then it's not a huge amount of content, likely around 15-20 hours at most.
Let's get Paige to 15k subs this year. She is so nice and fun to listen too. She deserves way more support. I bet the moment she was born her first words were I'm EARTHBOUND born to be a gamer :)
the thing about the Etrian series (and maybe every 1st person dungeon crawlers, for that mather), is that they give a lot more protagonism to the dungeon than other games. Auto complete helps knowing your way around in a dungeon, but that´s a small part of it. Drawing your own maps you can pinpoint strange plants(that you´re not sure what they do yet), zones where magic don´t work, teleports that can take you where you want...or get you lost(if you didn´t post-it a note about it before hand), But...are those games for you? Well...one thing i can´t accuse 1st person dungeon crawlers from being(Etrian odyssey included), is easy.
My experience with Persona helped me a lot with SMT V. I started playing recently, and about 30h in, they announced SMT Vengeance, so I'm waiting for that release because I don't have time to play the game 2 times. Demon fusion is very satisfying, and the interface is easy to navigate, with all the possible fusions for the demons you have. Then, before a boss, when you know its weaknesses, it's good to make a demon with elements the boss is weak to. If you hit weaknesses, you get more turns, and that's how you make the game easier. Before a boss, you can also grind a little bit for experience if you wish. Then, you have the side quests, the main story, which is cool and no social links to worry about. The game offers exploration and rewards it, but some challenges in the netherworld are to be taken later in your playthough, not when you first encounter them. And that's pretty much it! I think it's a turn-based jrpg for people who enjoy strategy games. Oh, and one thing that annoys me is that I can't increase the battle speed like we can do in Persona 3 Reload. It makes things way slower than they should be. Hope you wish to try it some time :)
The Atelier Series is 100% a crafting heavy series, but I noticed you liked Blue Reflection quite a bit, and both are made by Gust and share quite a bit in common. If Blue Reflection was "Usually I don't like cozy games but", maybe Ryza with its auto crafting would work out for you.
Lifelong mainline title Dragon Warrior/Dragon Quest games. Dark Prince was new for me, but the kids loved the festival of slimes and were by my side for a lot of it. They engaged big time and would ask me daily what new slime I had made. So..... If that one is still on the list... I'd try with the kiddo. Cheers
the alchemy is what made me hesitant to try atelier as it looked so convoluted but I’m glad I eventually tried Ryza. it has auto synthesis and overall just the easiest alchemy system to understand (apart from Sophie 2). but the games as a whole are really chill experiences and the combat is fun! I definitely recommend giving it a try, even if just borrowing a copy from someone. story wise, number 2 is really good but 1 is a good entry point to see if the series is for you. also dragon quest monsters was my top game of 2023 (beside Theatrhythm) so highly recommend that one. there’s also a quite lengthy demo of it on the eShop if you’re unsure! the demo is about 3 hours of the beginning story and teaches you the mechanics so worth giving the demo a shot!
It do be like that sometimes, we’ve all been there! Some JRPGs I’m a little scared atm is Drakengard 3, the Xenosaga series especially 2, Blue Reflection and don’t raise an eyebrow, and it’s Earthbound haha… or just any very old JRPGs that definitely don’t stand the test of time
Earthbound is definitely older but it’s SNES old, not NES old so I find it extremely playable still. I just replayed it last year actually and it’s still my favourite game of all time! Blue Reflection is a weird one for me but I absolutely love it!
I think you should consider the Digimon Survive Visual Novel/tactical game. Not hard, amazing story. The tactical side is very easy, however enjoyable. I think you'd like it. SMT is for masochists like myself to enjoy. HOWEVER! if I could recommend any SMT game to someone who's interested into getting into the series, and you're worried about the difficulty, i'd go either Tokyo Mirage Sessions (The switch version), or Soul Hackers 2.
I would give Octopath Traveler 2 a shot. The story telling is much better than the first, and there's always a couple quests that are level appropriate on the map. It doesn't have the big jumps in level requirements that the first game had. I would also skip the dungeon crawlers. The joy there is in fighting for every inch making to each new level. They are all about the challenge, and usually light on story, and that doesn't sound like your thing.
The level requirement in octopath was a great reason I just started exploring the world. In the end, i completed everything except the final secret boss. Bearing in mind that was the first turn based JRPG I've ever played, i absolutely loved it, although character interactions could have been done better.
Octopath Traveler games are not grindy at all if you systematically do all eight characters' chapters before moving on the subsequent chapters (i.e., complete all chapter 2s before moving to anyone's third chapter). In fact, you'll end up overpowered before the end, especially if you unlock/implement secondary jobs. Your channel is great. Nice job.
My wife played Ryza and she got sick of the crafting and the end, so much so she didn't beat the final boss. I picked up Octopath Traveler II on sale after not really liking the first. I still haven't tired it out yet but hopefully soon, Ive head good things.
I recommend Atelier Iris 1-3 on PS2 or Shallie before Ryza if you're not into the crafting too much. Ryza's combat also gets pretty fast later in the game Shallie is a shorter game and you don't automatically advance to the next chapter when you meet the requirements like other timed Atelier games. I can't do first person dungeon crawlers. I tried Class of Heroes on PSP and hated it. There was like no story and you have to do so much grounding be able to even advance in the first dungeon. I hear the 2nd has more of a story and has a more steady difficulty. For Octopath Traveler 2, I would say play the demo. I feel it gives a pretty good indication if you'll like that game.
As much as I think SMT is a brilliant series that everyone should try at least once, If you don't like t he fusing in Persona, then you will not enjoy SMT because it's all about convincing demons to join you and fusing them into more powerful demons. If you are doing then actually the games are not quite as tough as people make them out to be. But if building your perfect team of demons isn't something you will enjoy it will probably be something you won.t like in the long run. That said, there is a new version of SMT V coming out in June subtitled Vengeance that is adding a whole seperate route through the game that is going to be way more narrative heavy, so if you want to finally give it a chance, I would recommend it. SMT is actual a precursor to Pokemon.
Based on what you’ve said about hating demon fusion and loving story over gameplay, I’d guess you wouldn’t like SMT but I think you’d be missing out to be honest. SMT V was a breath of fresh air to me. I usually play JRPGs for story and in all fairness the story isn’t great but the atmosphere is incredible. The gameplay is where it’s at though. These games have a reputation for difficulty but equally they can be laughably easy as they are completely open in terms of strategy. Buffs and debuffs work on every enemy - including bosses. I remember working out I could 2x lower the accuracy of a boss and 2x raise evasion on my team to the extent they missed every time and lost all their turns! Thinking that SMT is just Persona without the story is doing a disservice to how good the combat system is in these games.
As someone who doesn't like crafting I love the Atelier games. A slow burn but the story and characters are so cool the game mainly is character focused but especially Ryza is more traditional RPG and has more world building than the kther games I have played. It is also gradual you will mostly be fufilling requests but there is dungeon exploration and you can switch the difficulty at anytime both up and down. Either way I respect your opinion just from me playing the games from someone who hates crafting.
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I never finished OctopathTraveler 1, I found it hard and also, main problem for me, was that I didnt like much the characters. I went ahead and bought OT2 knowing that i might not finish it. But then this time, I actually liked and cared for the characters and as an added bonus, I liked the music even more compared to OT1. I didnt know those two things combined helped me feel strangely motivated to grind for levels (not too much, i hate grinding and I am an adult and have a job, so little time for playing) and become stronger. I was able to finish the game. Just giving my two centz.
Not a rpg but for me it was Returnal. I'm not a fan of soul games but the sci-fi vibe really interested me. I ramdomly found a physical version for like 20$ so i figured why not! It was hard but the gameplay, atmosphere and mysteries always made me want to continue playing. After 64h, i finally got the real ending and now this is one of my favorite ps5 game!
Atelier is among my favorite game series now, but don’t know if I could recommend it to you or not. The first Ryza game is tied with Escha & Logy for third place for the 7 games in the series I’ve completed so far. I’m not too serious with the crafting/alchemy in any of the games like some people, but I do enjoy doing it myself. If you’re fine with using guides (can’t remember if you are) I think finding some for Ryza might be a good choice !
If you want a sense of what Atelier games are like, but want something with a little more grounding in a more traditional RPG, the best bet is Mana Khemia. Despite the title MK and its sequel are part of the Atelier series, but it has a sort of Persona-ish school schedule structure where each chapter unlocks new dungeons, has just a few items you have to craft, and lets you ease in rather than making you immediately run out and gather ingredients constantly. The main issue here is that both are PS2 games that have no modern ports, so you’d need to shell out collector’s prices or use alternative means to play them.
Pokemon Mystery dungeon will get grindy, but it is an adorable series. It'll be a bit tough if you don't level or evolve your team, especially getting the correct members to take down bosses due the typing formula of the base games. But if you take it at a casual pace and slowly enjoy the environments and art, you'll find a gem of a series you may love. And maybe consider Chcobo's Dungeon too!! IF you come to enjoy the style of game. 🥰
Great idea for a video! I completely feel the same way about dungeon crawlers like etrian Odyssey looks like it can be hard and frustrating trying to find your way around. Might be something I'd try if I could get it super cheap digitally or something.
I wasn't sure if I was gonna like Etrian Odyssey either when I first played it.... it's not my favorite style of RPG, but every once in awhile, it feels good to sink into drawing the map and tweaking characters. The stories in these games are usually very thin, so if you want story, it's probably not gonna be your jam. But if you wanna try something different, and very addictive (if you allow yourself to just get immersed in it) then I'd say it's worth it if you can find a good deal.
One game I am afraid to try and complete is Majora's Mask. The reason being is because of the 3 days to get everything done and not knowing if there is a way to reverse it. Another is Dead Rising because of the Timed factor as well. In terms of Octopath 2 I think you will enjoy it. I have not played it personally yet but I heard that it is more of coherent story then the first game was.
Have you considered looking at guides online to understand tactics and strategies etc? I watched fighting cowboy and it was because of him I was able to play and enjoy the souls series/genre. Some of these games bat far above their weight. This is what I do, I get the best examples of games I do not currently have interest in and add th3m to my collection. The reason is because I from time to time, get sick of playing the same types of games and need a pallet refresh. So I have some tactics style games, some graphic novel types, some farming, not because I'm a fan but for that above reason.
I love the Octopath Traveler series and I hate games that are too hard. Maybe it's because I enjoy grinding levels so high the fights become trivial. In OT1 I skipped a couple of the optional bosses, but I'm pretty sure I did everything in OT2. Plus the stories are engaging and it all comes together at the end. YMMV.
I have a few games that are sealed still but scared to drop off my Trails of Cold Steel play through right now. I been playing smaller games in between but dont want to get too long not playing in-between games.
I love the Atelier games (my favorite is Escha and Logy, of which I even imported the OST CD from Japan. The one thing I don’t like as much is the time limit on older games in the series. As for crafting, yeah, if it’s not your thing you may not enjoy it as much. As for Etrian Odyssey, the Switch version has an easy mode that makes all three games more accessible (the original DS versions were tough at times, though the 3DS remakes of the first two games also do have that Picnic mode). The series’ main gimmick is the map making, which was awesome on the DS and 3DS. It’s there too on the Switch, but it may require the stylus included with the Euro version of Brain Age to make it more precise than drawing the maps with fingertips. I love the Mystery Dungeon series. The Pokémon ones are the easiest ones among them (since you don’t like high difficulty, avoid the Shiren The Wanderer Mystery Dungeon games, which are much more challenging). Maybe Chocobo’s Dungeon (same general rogue-like structure) would be more your thing. It’s a remake of the one that originally came out on the Wii).
I have a hard time getting into most Atelier games but I really enjoyed Atelier Iris (mainly 2 but that might be because it was my first one) and the 2 Mana Khemia games on PS2. They also include crafting but they feel more like traditional RPGs compared to the other Atelier games I tried.
I never played but, The Atelier games impression came off as a cozy, mild fan service-y, alchemy based RPG. The draw is : It has good character designs and graphics. But I have no clue on music, story, gameplay polish or if it's a fluffy rpg target at young girls or horny boys. I don't know what to make of it. I should watch a playthrough.
I personally didn’t find Bravely Default 2 hard at all. The only fight I had trouble with an optional post game boss fight. Octopath Traveler 2 is AMAZING! My favorite turn based game of all time, I HIGHLY recommend it.
I found Bravely 2 to be the easier, more player-friendly game in the series. Perfect way to start on the series. I guess the devs figured out the kinks in their system from the feedback on the first couple of Bravely games and applied what they learned on Bravely 2. Pretty much like how the Persona games got increasingly more accessible as it went along. Similar story with Octo2. Big tip about it is you take full advantage of the "actions" (steal/charm/haggle/etc) to get stuff from NPCs so you don't have to grind too much in combat mode. In Octo2, each character gets 2 actions! That's it, really. Daylight is bad. It's the main reason people don't talk about it.
I didn’t thing I’d like the Etrian Odessey games either but I got really hooked when I played it! Mind you I also DO like drawing maps and figuring out mazes etc. They can get fairly grind heavy Imho though not epically bad. But the leveling, loot, monster and fighting mechanics combined with the maps is horribly addictive I found! There’s a really nice feeling of progressing down into deeper and deeper layers as you progress. I do believe that yeah there is an auto map feature on a number of them that allows you to just turn it on and it will draw out the map as you move around!
Im scared of starting the trails series. I dont have a psp and dont want to play on pc so i cant start with sky which is the obvious starting point. I guess i could start with cold steel but i donno. Its such an expansive serie with multiple games, the amount of hours in there is mindblowing for me. But worst part is that i would most probably like it. Its sleeping in my backlog for now
I'm surprised I didn't see anyone defending Etrian Odyssey. This style of game is a successor to original PC RPGs from the 80's. They required creating your own map on physical grid paper, which EO integrates into the game, with or without automap. The Etrian Odyssey series also favors the unforgiving difficulty of the old-school CRPGs. There are a few other modern games like this and while some are enjoyable, none reach the heights of the EO series since the resurgence it catalyzed. I love these games and half the reason is down to the music. Yuzo Koshiro is a master and some of his best work is present here. I find this series cozy while exploring and grinding, and adrenaline pumping while fighting bosses and F!O!E!s. There's also a mystery dungeon game with an Etrian Odyssey paint job. The mystery dungeon style roguelikes also being one of my faves.
As someone that liked Triangle Strategy and sort of was hesitant about Octopath Traveler 2, so far it does feel fine difficulty wise. Not noticing a huge amount of grinding. Battle system and character class styles are really cool. One character can collect enemies and use them in battle like Pokemon for example! My issue with it...the segmented stories is really tough for me. The characters only interact minimally and on the surface still. Just idle chit chat. It doesnt really feel like they are in the same party. This...makes it lose a LOT of points for me. But I'm still enjoying it to a degree. If Triangle Strategy was 9/10, OT2 is 8/10 for me.
I absolutely loved octopath 1, finished the secret boss (I’m the most casual player you’ll meet). I played Octo 2 and 8hrs in I got bored because it was much much easier than the first entry and I liked the octo 1 characters better Might give it another shot this year tho!
Dungeon Crawlers are kind of a difficult genera to recommend because if you aren't a fan of that fixed camera view / movement style of JRPG then you just aren't into it . Etrian Odyssey is one that i personally really like due to the story, the fact that combat is turn based, you can turn on the auto map feature so you don't have to worry about drawing out the map it just does it for you (or if you wish to draw the map yourself you can, i like options lol). there is a lot of inventory management since you are locked in at 60 slots in your bag. i would highly recommend watching more play-though videos before deciding to get it or not ,since i recognize that just because i like this game, doesn't mean it's everyone's cup of tea. as far as a 1st person dungeon crawler to recommend for beginners to get introduced into the genera .. i haven't personally played it , but i heard a lot of good things about Undernauts
Well I'd suggest you need a Big change sometimes. Maybe "The Quarry" if you haven't played it, and that new one coming out--"Stellar Blade". SB oughta set you on fire! The things I don't like in my video games are: crafting, stopping to read a lot, and using a camera.
Two I'm terrified of trying are the Saga games and the Soulsborne genre. Saga because I've heard they're hard, the leveling mechanic seems counter to what I'm used to, and I hear the older titles are bad for getting soft locked in. I would hate to lose all my progress because I didn't keep enough saves. Soulsbornes I've played but they terrify me. Their overall vibe and aesthetic is just very depressing and oppressive. I played through all of DS1 to prove I could but it made me so depressed at the end. I couldn't wait for it to be over. And having to learn countless enemy patterns, moves, reactions, and where tf to go from the bonfire to my next objective just was too much. Yeah there's tons of guides but man can I please get a bonfire like right BEFORE the freakin boss? Not like a mile or two before or after. The boss runs in DS1 filled me with so much anxiety. All it takes is forgetting that there's one silver knight that spawns around this corner and forgetting to parry or dodge their attack to just screw up your whole boss strategy. Because now you're at half the health or have one less estus flask all due to a normal enemy.
So, Ryza: have you played Skyrim or some similar Bethesda game? How did you handle inventory management and the weight limit? Are you the kind of person that constantly picks up too much shit and has to teleport back to dump inventory? If so, you're going to do the same with Ryza. You don't have to go crazy with crafting. It's absolutely required for some quests, but you can half ass it and move on. If you won't allow yourself to do that though, it will consume you. I like the game, but I spend too much time trying to craft better stuff, duplicating nice crafting mats so I don't have to use them up & remake them with potential different stats, and collecting items to feed that. If you can let yourself go on that, you might still enjoy it. If you can't ignore it, probably pass over the series. For SMT, devil summons are crafting. That's why you hate it.
The Atelier games I find are hit or miss for me, but the Ryza trilogy of games I find are the best the series ever produced. The battle system is fast and fluid, characters are fun, and while the alchemy/crafting may not be for everyone, I find Ryza helps the player a lot, especially since you can auto-synth. I'm with you on Octopath 2. I found the 1st game so grindy and slow paced that I'm not sure about diving into the 2nd. I may have to do my own response video on this topic as one I'm afraid to play is Soul Hackers 2. I loved the first game on 3DS, but here mixed things from people with the 2nd of people enjoying it or finding it really disappointing and I don't want to feel disappointed by it
Mainline SMT might not be for you, in addition to the fusing system, the way the press-turn system works is something you will have to learn the ins and outs of to succeed. However, if you are curious to play SMT V, there is a Safety difficulty setting that removes all of the challenge from the game (with the exception of the fight with Demi-fiend in the Return of the True Demon DLC, he is just that powerful).
I think if I only did digital games, I would have this problem. However, since I collect more physical games than digital ones, even if I don't like a game or I give up on a game. I can sell that game to someone that might enjoy that type of game.
As someone who has only played the Persona games, I can say SMT V kicked my butt! Pretty much the only similarity between the two series are the demons you encounter. If you really want to give it a try, I'd say wait for a sale. The physical version goes on sale pretty frequently on VGP's website. Also maybe wait for SMT Vengeance, as they will probably tweak the game so progression is a bit easier. Lastly, think about maybe picking it up on PS5, when Vengeance comes out, as the Switch graphics are kind of rough and blurry.
PMD explorers of sky on the DS is my favorite game of all time, but the series is definitely a hard sell. The story of the explorers games is unmatched though, if you experience one of them I'd highly recommend one of the DS ones (sky, time, darkness)
First person dungeon crawlers are about a dime a dozen these days. I'm not huge into Etrian Odyssey cause the stories are boring and the games are pretty tough but I'd recommend trying Mary Skelter trilogy, Demon Gaze, The Lost Child and Undernauts: Labyrinth to Yomi. There's plenty more really good ones on switch too with excellent stories and gameplay. Various Daylife is an instant skip though. It's a low budget mobile game that is super boring.
I gave up halfway through Octopath Traveler 1. I’m almost done with Octopath Traveler 2 and haven’t been able to put it down since I got it. It is SOOO much better and I can’t even explain why that is.
@@femtrooper I’d say so because of the new latent ability and passive abilities that characters have in the nighttime. With Agnea’s “enchant” you get everything for free.
That’s how I feel about any turn based RPG lol. I want to like them but I never enjoy them! For instance, I really wanna try sea of stars but I’m not sure if I’ll actually enjoy it!
Octopath 2 has engaging side content and as long as you’re doing it the game is pretty easy. The story is much less boring imo with better characters. I think the optional and post game stuff is pretty difficult but it’s optional. Also you can wander into areas that are hard but just know you don’t have to do things as you come across them.
I find many huge open world games intimidating, especially when it's hard to figure out where to go or what to do next. I also stink at FPS games, so there's that and I also get frustrated with games where I die over and over again and seem overly difficult. I don't have a lot of time for gaming, so I don't want to have to put a lot of thought, effort, and practice into my games. Linear turn-based RPGs and tactical RPGs seem to be the games I enjoy the most.
I see you had a Ryza discussion, but I will add my two cents. After Atelier Firis, I swore myself off of these games. I can't remember who it was convinced me to give Ryza a try, but I am glad that I did. Great story and characters. There is no time limit with synthesis, and I think it is more straightforward even if you decide to dig deeper and make better items. The combat is better done in this game as well.
Etrian Odyssey is good! Unfortunately Atlus re released the original Nintendo DS versions of EO1 and EO2. Both games actually had a remake on the 3ds under the Untold title with new graphics,music,dlc and a revamp skill tree. If you are looking for a good entry into playing EO I would play the 4th or 5th game and also Rhyza has a very complicated crafting system which would put a damper on you trying to play it. If you are looking for a less intensive game to play I would try the ds Final Fantasy: The 4 Heroes of Light.
You're right. If you don't want to deal with crafting stay far away from anything starting with Atelier.
The story is what interests me!
Fair! I may still give it a chance just to see.
ryza is a great rpg. the crafting is fun, but you can auto craft if its not your thing.
Ryza is easy to get into, you can just go at your own pace
If that’s the case, there’s an anime for Ryza! And it’s really, really good . I was in the same boat.
You will not like SMT if you don't like the fusing mechanic, because the way you beat the difficulty curves and stage bosses are by optimizing the summons through fusing to get the correct stats and abilities on a higher level monster with the correct immunities.
it's a difficult game i was livid the entire playthrough lol
Maybe wait for the SMT Vengeance reviews to come in, if it improves any of the difficulty sliders
Yeah, sounds like SMT is not for me!
Just a new way to grind levels. Boring.
If you don’t like the fusing aspect you won‘t like any smt game. Because fusing demons plays a huge role in the series.
The Octopath Traveller 2 soundtrack is so good that even when i take a prolonged break, I always come back for more, just for the music
I get that!!!
For me it’s Majoras Mask. I actually own it but have put it off for years! It’s because it has a timer. Zelda with a timer? Someday I’ll get to it but I’m always putting it off lol
I've played so much of MM. I know that the idea of a timer can be weird or stressful. However, in the beginning of the game you learn (remember) the Song of Time which you can use to reset the 3-day timer whenever you want. If you play the Song of Time backwards then it slows down time (30% of the original speed). So there's no stress really. You can play the game like a normal Zelda game and just clear dungeons if you want to. It's cool to go around the world on the 3 different days to see what's different or the same depending on the day. How's it sound?
You own the game so go ahead and give it a try :D I love Zelda OoT, MM, WW and TP. Oh, and I forgot to mention that you'll play as a Deku Scrub, Goron and Zora in MM and it's awesome! I especially like the Goron and Zora form since they can move really fast:)
I hate anything with time limits but I played it for completionist sake, and it ended up being one of my favorite Zelda games. Definitely give it a shot if you love the series.
Hate timed stuff!!!
Be sure to have a guide close by on this one
the game is phenomenal and it's a pseudo timer more than anything, it's absolutely worth a play
The Ryza series is big on crafting, which I'm not huge into either, and it was also my first Atelier game. The combat is fun, music is great. The story isn't supremely high stakes, and is more about friends enjoying their time together.
I will say about the crafting: there are no consumable combat items. Once you make a potion, it basically becomes a re-usable spell based on the stats you craft into it.
I can't say for sure if you would like the series, but I did enjoy my time with it and I usually don't like crafting/item management games.
Might just be something I need to try to find out if I truly like!
@@femtrooperI will say that both of the battle themes from the first game have been stuck in my head for at least 12 months now.
Regarding Bravely Default 2, I bought it but put off playing it for awhile because of similar uncertainties. Once I finally took the plunge and started playing, I couldn't stop. It's best described as a turn-based final fantasy game without actually being called one; you can see a lot of SquareEnix influence in the game like the plot, items (Potion, Hi-Potion, Ether, Elixir, etc.), job class system, and such.
Admittedly, boss fights have a steep curve to overcome because you can't just blindly attack, you have to carefully plan a number of moves ahead using the game's default and brave system where you can stock extra turns, spend said extra turns (which enemies can also do) in a manner similar to a game of chess.
As you unlock more job classes (there's 24 in total), it's really fun mixing and matching different skills from different jobs to balance your party and each job has a different weapon type proficiency that determines what kind of stat bonuses you get from equipping said weapons. If you ever played Blue Dragon for the X360, you might notice similarities to the job classes and mixing/matching skills for party members.
All in all, Bravely Default 2 is one of the best games I ever played and would recommend it highly; I don't normally pull all-nighters for games but this was an exception that warranted such effort.
It looks incredible I’ll admit!
I totally agree on Bravely Default 2 too! Cause, I'm still playing Bravely Default 1 on my nintendo 3dsxl, and I'm still loving it!! The battle and combat system is highly addictive, as soon as you figure out!! I Do Absolutely Highly Recommend Bravely Default 2 on the Switch!!!
I love Etrian but I am pretty sure its not for everyone. Basically you do the same thing over and over. Go into dungeon, draw maps (if you turn that function on), try to get as far as you can and then TPing back to town where you report quests and recover. You do like four maps before fighting a boss which is pretty difficult usually. The biggest enjoyment I got from the series was a sense of progression which i think is the point of these games - building characters from scratch (looks, names) and big skill trees. Nothing really looks good graphics wise. You just gotta like numbers and building your party members little by little.
Thank you!
With Ryza, I liked the story and combat. I did grind to get resources from monsters and plants. But in the second half of the game I did have to use a guide to find what I needed to craft next to move the story. And I would look up where to find resources on the wiki.
Also it's Japanese voices with subtitles. I don't like but I knew all the Ateliers are like that. Wasn't bad.
Thank you!
Octopath 2 is a must play for JRPG fans! The cast having shared moments take this game to the next level
I’m thinking I’ll have to try it!
Octopath Traveler 2 is a freaking masterpiece. First one was ok (outstanding Soundtrack though).
@@femtrooper I think it's worth playing, even if you don't finish it! I particularly enjoyed that the character I expected to be the least wholesome was entirely wholesome. :)
Absolutely. I loved the first one and also the second one. Please let there be a third one.
OT2 characters do have some shared moments but it still feels minimal. Like, they don't interact within the setting they are in, take part in each other's stories, and it's idle chit chat, not really interesting to me. Sort of disappointed. Maybe it gets better.
One thing that's really unfortunate these days, is rental stores are basically gone. That would be a good way to try the games you're interested in before you fully commit. Some games have demos, sure, but it can be hard to tell if the demo is representative of the whole game, or just a slice of the game. Longer demos are better of course (looking at you, Square) but the initial point I brought up still stands. RIP rental stores.
I miss them so much!
This is the part where I get the appeal of Xbox Game Pass.
Gamefly was a cool alternative for awhile but it’s up to $18 for a single game plan. As someone who buys budget games/waits for prices to lower that is the same as buying and owning 1-2 games a month.
You can rent games from your local library, too.
@@Candikanelane I actually do that as well! But the selection is relatively limited. Especially new/larger releases for whatever reason
Dragon Quest Monsters games may be spinoffs but without a doubt they have the most effort put into them of any spinoff in DQ history and Dark Prince is the best example of that. The combat is fun, the story is good, especially if you've played the mainline DQ game it's connected to there are a lot of exclusive and new monsters that you can get in it and the post game is a lot of fun as well. The story probably won't blow you away, but personally, I think it's just nice to see a game that has a connection to a mainline game after so long.
This is good to hear!
As someone who has completed and loved all these games. You will drop all these games.
LOL, I feel like I could take on Ryza maybe or even Octo 2. We’ll see!
Paige, great list, and funny story - I've got a video coming out on Thursday that talks about a few of these games... In pretty much the same context! 😂 So I'm right there with you.
Oh man, that sounds great! I can’t wait!
I was scared (and in parts still scared) of the Trails series
Oh, haha me too!
I just started my first Atelier game with Ryza 1 and loved it. The crafting isn't that difficult for a newcomer and the story and characters are so charming. You can always play on Easy difficulty if you need to. I'm working through Ryza 2 now and having an absolute blast. So far it's even better than 1 and I find myself doing every sidequest I can just for the character interactions and silly banter.
The games I have been avoiding are Zelda BOTK and especially TOTK. They seem to have so many complicated mechanics I picture it just becoming a chore to learn and play through.
I may have to just go for it!
Bravely default is great not too difficult if you don't mind grinding for skills
Good to know! I don’t mind grinding as long as it’s not insane.
@@femtrooper no there are items you use to get a bunch of experience in battles quickly, so basically you get a job class you want some skill from, use the item, then thirty minutes later your back on your progression. I have beaten the game 2x and love it. Honestly hope they make another but anyway I never grind more than like 45 minutes and you don't even have to do that much really
I was too scared to try Demon Souls. And I conquered that fear by having my behind handed to me several times 😆😆😆
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Fusions are key to smt iv and v. And you’re right: it’s such a frustrating game since you need to stay on top of the best fusions plus you could always run into a random enemy that wipes your party. The story is fun in the sense that it’s the classic smt good vs evil proxy war that they love covering in their recent games. It’s certainly a game that i play in short bursts since it’s annoying to play sometimes but i do love the game overall.
That’s awesome! I appreciate it!
My backlog isn't small enough to consider looking at games that i might dislike haha
That’s how I feel too! It’s daunting sometimes.
True, it has a habit of growing while you are not looking.
Smt games are hard, but if you understand the press turn system and take advantage of buffs and de buffs, you may enjoy it! Personally I would wait for SMTV Vengeance that comes out in June. The fusion system is important to use in order to get stronger demons. Personally I love the series but I’m not sure how much you’d consider the bare minimum for demon fusion.
Haha yeah, I think I’ll probably just pass on it. And that’s okay!
It’s all good! We all have our own interests in gaming and I’m glad you’re able to enjoy what you like! 😊
I beat octopath traveler 1 and got to the very end of 2 but didn’t beat it because the last boss is insanely hard. Good games but very long
True! They are lengthy.
@@Riz2336I did exactly that in octopath 1 and I'm currently going through octopath 2 and i plan to do the same. The last bosses in both require so much grinding 🥲.
The atelier ryza series is fantastic. I’m currently on the third installment and I’m absolutely loving it. The first two were amazing also and it’s great to see that each game that succeeds the other ups, the quality and storytelling.
Love hearing this!
I absolutely love the level of honesty across all of these games that you’re talking about. I definitely don’t feel the same way about some of them, but I know exactly what you’re talking about. This was refreshing.
Thank you!!! Appreciate it!
Ryza is the most stream lined out of all the ateliers, you can auto craft the items if you don’t want to maximize( mind you the crafting makes your weapons, battle items & story items) not all items are from gathering but also enemies, Ryza by far the “easiest” of the atelier series, the story is basically coming of age type, definitely recommend to newcomers also my favorite games of the series.
Perfect!
First of all, fun video! I don't think I've seen this type of format of video but it's a fun way to have a conversation about what games might appeal to people. For the ones I've played:
Atelier Ryza: I tried this and dropped it after about 10-15 hours. From what I saw it was mostly a grind for resources, forge better items, use those items to beat stronger enemies gameplay loop. Music is nice and the atmosphere is very pleasant, feels kind of like an Animal Crossing or Harvest Moon in terms of tone. The story is very slow and laid back.
DQ Monsters: This is actually similar to SMT in that the core of the game is collecting monsters, fusing them, and getting stronger monsters, so if you're not into that at all I wouldn't recommend this one. Story is alright, it's kind of a companion piece to DQ4 that follows one of the other characters of that game.
Octopath 2: The sequel is an improvement on the first game in every way imo and fixes the few issues I had with the original. They do a better job of staggering the missions so there aren't huge spikes in difficulty like the first one had during campaign, but I wouldn't say it's significantly easier - some of the endgame battles are still quite challenging and there are superbosses at the end that definitely require grinding/planning.
SMT 5: Again, collecting and fusing monsters is at the core of this game so if that's not your thing there probably isn't much here for you besides pretty visuals (if you've played Persona you've already seen a lot of the demons anyway). You're not missing much story wise, most people agree there isn't much of a plot in this one, we'll see if the updated edition fixes that.
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: I'm actually playing this for the first time atm. If you're not into the collecting this might actually appeal to you because in this game you don't really have to switch up your group if you don't want to. Gameplay is pretty straightforward, some of the challenge is just managing your use of items in the bigger dungeons. Story isn't Shakespeare but I think it's cute and pretty enjoyable. I will say if you're just playing the campaign and you're not interested in the postgame grind then it's not a huge amount of content, likely around 15-20 hours at most.
These are great descriptions! Thank you!
No way you’re missing out on ryza!! I love ryza
Alright! I’ll have to try it!
Let's get Paige to 15k subs this year. She is so nice and fun to listen too. She deserves way more support. I bet the moment she was born her first words were I'm EARTHBOUND born to be a gamer :)
Wouldn’t that be nice!!!
She has such a great channel. I can't believe it's not past 100k or so
the thing about the Etrian series (and maybe every 1st person dungeon crawlers, for that mather), is that they give a lot more protagonism to the dungeon than other games. Auto complete helps knowing your way around in a dungeon, but that´s a small part of it. Drawing your own maps you can pinpoint strange plants(that you´re not sure what they do yet), zones where magic don´t work, teleports that can take you where you want...or get you lost(if you didn´t post-it a note about it before hand),
But...are those games for you? Well...one thing i can´t accuse 1st person dungeon crawlers from being(Etrian odyssey included), is easy.
I think I should try one just so I know and then I’ll be satisfied haha
My experience with Persona helped me a lot with SMT V. I started playing recently, and about 30h in, they announced SMT Vengeance, so I'm waiting for that release because I don't have time to play the game 2 times. Demon fusion is very satisfying, and the interface is easy to navigate, with all the possible fusions for the demons you have. Then, before a boss, when you know its weaknesses, it's good to make a demon with elements the boss is weak to. If you hit weaknesses, you get more turns, and that's how you make the game easier. Before a boss, you can also grind a little bit for experience if you wish. Then, you have the side quests, the main story, which is cool and no social links to worry about. The game offers exploration and rewards it, but some challenges in the netherworld are to be taken later in your playthough, not when you first encounter them. And that's pretty much it! I think it's a turn-based jrpg for people who enjoy strategy games. Oh, and one thing that annoys me is that I can't increase the battle speed like we can do in Persona 3 Reload. It makes things way slower than they should be. Hope you wish to try it some time :)
I hope to try Persona 3 Reload soon!!!
Great video, Troop! I suggest the Arland Saga for Atelier! The second Octopath had some of my favorite characters ever! Castti is incredible! ❤️
Oh good! I think I will end up trying Octopath Traveler 2 at some point.
The Atelier Series is 100% a crafting heavy series, but I noticed you liked Blue Reflection quite a bit, and both are made by Gust and share quite a bit in common. If Blue Reflection was "Usually I don't like cozy games but", maybe Ryza with its auto crafting would work out for you.
That’s what I’m thinking too!!!
In Ryza, just click on auto-synthesize for the crafting and that would be enough, that is what Im doing in Ryza 3 😂
I like this idea!
Lifelong mainline title Dragon Warrior/Dragon Quest games. Dark Prince was new for me, but the kids loved the festival of slimes and were by my side for a lot of it. They engaged big time and would ask me daily what new slime I had made. So..... If that one is still on the list... I'd try with the kiddo.
Cheers
I should try it then!
@@femtrooper - We ordered take out a few nights playing and I paid the place to doodle slimes on the food containers even... kids loved it. ;)
Well done, Paige. This is exactly what I meant when I mentioned facing things out of your comfort zone. Great content.
Thank you!!! 🙏
I think your intuition of avoiding these titles has merit. When I have these same doubts I watch gameplay videos on youtube and see how they are.
True! That can be really helpful!
the alchemy is what made me hesitant to try atelier as it looked so convoluted but I’m glad I eventually tried Ryza. it has auto synthesis and overall just the easiest alchemy system to understand (apart from Sophie 2). but the games as a whole are really chill experiences and the combat is fun! I definitely recommend giving it a try, even if just borrowing a copy from someone. story wise, number 2 is really good but 1 is a good entry point to see if the series is for you.
also dragon quest monsters was my top game of 2023 (beside Theatrhythm) so highly recommend that one. there’s also a quite lengthy demo of it on the eShop if you’re unsure! the demo is about 3 hours of the beginning story and teaches you the mechanics so worth giving the demo a shot!
Thank you! I should give that demo a chance then! Also, I may just have to try Ryza then!!!
It do be like that sometimes, we’ve all been there! Some JRPGs I’m a little scared atm is Drakengard 3, the Xenosaga series especially 2, Blue Reflection and don’t raise an eyebrow, and it’s Earthbound haha… or just any very old JRPGs that definitely don’t stand the test of time
Earthbound is definitely older but it’s SNES old, not NES old so I find it extremely playable still. I just replayed it last year actually and it’s still my favourite game of all time! Blue Reflection is a weird one for me but I absolutely love it!
I think you should consider the Digimon Survive Visual Novel/tactical game. Not hard, amazing story.
The tactical side is very easy, however enjoyable. I think you'd like it.
SMT is for masochists like myself to enjoy. HOWEVER! if I could recommend any SMT game to someone who's interested into getting into the series, and you're worried about the difficulty, i'd go either Tokyo Mirage Sessions (The switch version), or Soul Hackers 2.
Haha, I actually beat Digimon Survive and hated it XDDDDDD That’s okay though.
I would give Octopath Traveler 2 a shot. The story telling is much better than the first, and there's always a couple quests that are level appropriate on the map. It doesn't have the big jumps in level requirements that the first game had. I would also skip the dungeon crawlers. The joy there is in fighting for every inch making to each new level. They are all about the challenge, and usually light on story, and that doesn't sound like your thing.
Thank you!
The level requirement in octopath was a great reason I just started exploring the world. In the end, i completed everything except the final secret boss. Bearing in mind that was the first turn based JRPG I've ever played, i absolutely loved it, although character interactions could have been done better.
Wow, that’s super impressive!!!
Octopath Traveler games are not grindy at all if you systematically do all eight characters' chapters before moving on the subsequent chapters (i.e., complete all chapter 2s before moving to anyone's third chapter). In fact, you'll end up overpowered before the end, especially if you unlock/implement secondary jobs.
Your channel is great. Nice job.
Thanks! Appreciate the kind words!
Octoppath 2. The game is only hard if you don't complete everything and all chapters instead of skipping, skippable events? So.. built in grinding?
My wife played Ryza and she got sick of the crafting and the end, so much so she didn't beat the final boss. I picked up Octopath Traveler II on sale after not really liking the first. I still haven't tired it out yet but hopefully soon, Ive head good things.
Good to know!
Mary skelter for 1st person dungeon crawler. My favorite in that genre
Heard that’s a cool game!
I liked demon gaze . Not hard, kind of visual novel like at times.
I’d say the best advice is to trust your gut. You seem to have a decent grasp on what you like from both gameplay and presentation.
I think so too, I’m usually right but sometimes I surprise myself!
I recommend Atelier Iris 1-3 on PS2 or Shallie before Ryza if you're not into the crafting too much. Ryza's combat also gets pretty fast later in the game Shallie is a shorter game and you don't automatically advance to the next chapter when you meet the requirements like other timed Atelier games.
I can't do first person dungeon crawlers. I tried Class of Heroes on PSP and hated it. There was like no story and you have to do so much grounding be able to even advance in the first dungeon. I hear the 2nd has more of a story and has a more steady difficulty.
For Octopath Traveler 2, I would say play the demo. I feel it gives a pretty good indication if you'll like that game.
True true! Thank you!
SMT series is super challenging and that's what makes it great!
Totally fair!
As much as I think SMT is a brilliant series that everyone should try at least once, If you don't like t he fusing in Persona, then you will not enjoy SMT because it's all about convincing demons to join you and fusing them into more powerful demons. If you are doing then actually the games are not quite as tough as people make them out to be. But if building your perfect team of demons isn't something you will enjoy it will probably be something you won.t like in the long run.
That said, there is a new version of SMT V coming out in June subtitled Vengeance that is adding a whole seperate route through the game that is going to be way more narrative heavy, so if you want to finally give it a chance, I would recommend it. SMT is actual a precursor to Pokemon.
The new version is something I will be looking into but yeah, I think SMT just isn’t for me.
Based on what you’ve said about hating demon fusion and loving story over gameplay, I’d guess you wouldn’t like SMT but I think you’d be missing out to be honest.
SMT V was a breath of fresh air to me. I usually play JRPGs for story and in all fairness the story isn’t great but the atmosphere is incredible. The gameplay is where it’s at though. These games have a reputation for difficulty but equally they can be laughably easy as they are completely open in terms of strategy. Buffs and debuffs work on every enemy - including bosses. I remember working out I could 2x lower the accuracy of a boss and 2x raise evasion on my team to the extent they missed every time and lost all their turns! Thinking that SMT is just Persona without the story is doing a disservice to how good the combat system is in these games.
Really appreciate this!
As someone who doesn't like crafting I love the Atelier games. A slow burn but the story and characters are so cool the game mainly is character focused but especially Ryza is more traditional RPG and has more world building than the kther games I have played. It is also gradual you will mostly be fufilling requests but there is dungeon exploration and you can switch the difficulty at anytime both up and down. Either way I respect your opinion just from me playing the games from someone who hates crafting.
I think it might be worth me trying!
Wow!! How have I never seen this woman on UA-cam until now?😳Her husband is a lucky guy to have an awesome beautiful Gamer Gal!! Great video. I’ve subscribed.👍🏽
I never finished OctopathTraveler 1, I found it hard and also, main problem for me, was that I didnt like much the characters.
I went ahead and bought OT2 knowing that i might not finish it. But then this time, I actually liked and cared for the characters and as an added bonus, I liked the music even more compared to OT1.
I didnt know those two things combined helped me feel strangely motivated to grind for levels (not too much, i hate grinding and I am an adult and have a job, so little time for playing) and become stronger. I was able to finish the game. Just giving my two centz.
That’s super good to know!!
Not a rpg but for me it was Returnal. I'm not a fan of soul games but the sci-fi vibe really interested me. I ramdomly found a physical version for like 20$ so i figured why not! It was hard but the gameplay, atmosphere and mysteries always made me want to continue playing. After 64h, i finally got the real ending and now this is one of my favorite ps5 game!
That’s a happy ending! Love it!
Atelier is among my favorite game series now, but don’t know if I could recommend it to you or not. The first Ryza game is tied with Escha & Logy for third place for the 7 games in the series I’ve completed so far. I’m not too serious with the crafting/alchemy in any of the games like some people, but I do enjoy doing it myself. If you’re fine with using guides (can’t remember if you are) I think finding some for Ryza might be a good choice !
Awesome, thank you!
You need a Blockbuster Video to try them out.
Haha no kidding!
If you want a sense of what Atelier games are like, but want something with a little more grounding in a more traditional RPG, the best bet is Mana Khemia. Despite the title MK and its sequel are part of the Atelier series, but it has a sort of Persona-ish school schedule structure where each chapter unlocks new dungeons, has just a few items you have to craft, and lets you ease in rather than making you immediately run out and gather ingredients constantly.
The main issue here is that both are PS2 games that have no modern ports, so you’d need to shell out collector’s prices or use alternative means to play them.
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Pokemon Mystery dungeon will get grindy, but it is an adorable series.
It'll be a bit tough if you don't level or evolve your team, especially getting the correct members to take down bosses due the typing formula of the base games.
But if you take it at a casual pace and slowly enjoy the environments and art, you'll find a gem of a series you may love.
And maybe consider Chcobo's Dungeon too!!
IF you come to enjoy the style of game. 🥰
I am definitely going to check them out!
Great idea for a video! I completely feel the same way about dungeon crawlers like etrian Odyssey looks like it can be hard and frustrating trying to find your way around. Might be something I'd try if I could get it super cheap digitally or something.
Yeah, might be fun to try one day!
Infinite Wealth definitely has difficulty settings.
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I wasn't sure if I was gonna like Etrian Odyssey either when I first played it.... it's not my favorite style of RPG, but every once in awhile, it feels good to sink into drawing the map and tweaking characters. The stories in these games are usually very thin, so if you want story, it's probably not gonna be your jam. But if you wanna try something different, and very addictive (if you allow yourself to just get immersed in it) then I'd say it's worth it if you can find a good deal.
Also, they can be brutal in difficulty... not sure if the new remakes have difficulty settings or not
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One game I am afraid to try and complete is Majora's Mask. The reason being is because of the 3 days to get everything done and not knowing if there is a way to reverse it. Another is Dead Rising because of the Timed factor as well. In terms of Octopath 2 I think you will enjoy it. I have not played it personally yet but I heard that it is more of coherent story then the first game was.
Majora’s Mask scares me too!!!
My whole backlog scares me.
It scares me too but I beat one game at a time and then it doesn’t feel so scary!
Have you considered looking at guides online to understand tactics and strategies etc? I watched fighting cowboy and it was because of him I was able to play and enjoy the souls series/genre. Some of these games bat far above their weight.
This is what I do, I get the best examples of games I do not currently have interest in and add th3m to my collection. The reason is because I from time to time, get sick of playing the same types of games and need a pallet refresh. So I have some tactics style games, some graphic novel types, some farming, not because I'm a fan but for that above reason.
I would definitely use a guide if I tried it haha
I love the Octopath Traveler series and I hate games that are too hard. Maybe it's because I enjoy grinding levels so high the fights become trivial. In OT1 I skipped a couple of the optional bosses, but I'm pretty sure I did everything in OT2. Plus the stories are engaging and it all comes together at the end. YMMV.
That’s good to hear!
Mystery dungeon are really fun. More focused on gameplay and gets repetitive in most by the halfway point but then picks up again at the end.
I would maybe try it tho!
I have a few games that are sealed still but scared to drop off my Trails of Cold Steel play through right now. I been playing smaller games in between but dont want to get too long not playing in-between games.
That’s a big one!!! Keep it up! I’m all about beating tons of RPGs!!!
I love the Atelier games (my favorite is Escha and Logy, of which I even imported the OST CD from Japan. The one thing I don’t like as much is the time limit on older games in the series. As for crafting, yeah, if it’s not your thing you may not enjoy it as much.
As for Etrian Odyssey, the Switch version has an easy mode that makes all three games more accessible (the original DS versions were tough at times, though the 3DS remakes of the first two games also do have that Picnic mode). The series’ main gimmick is the map making, which was awesome on the DS and 3DS. It’s there too on the Switch, but it may require the stylus included with the Euro version of Brain Age to make it more precise than drawing the maps with fingertips.
I love the Mystery Dungeon series. The Pokémon ones are the easiest ones among them (since you don’t like high difficulty, avoid the Shiren The Wanderer Mystery Dungeon games, which are much more challenging). Maybe Chocobo’s Dungeon (same general rogue-like structure) would be more your thing. It’s a remake of the one that originally came out on the Wii).
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I have a hard time getting into most Atelier games but I really enjoyed Atelier Iris (mainly 2 but that might be because it was my first one) and the 2 Mana Khemia games on PS2. They also include crafting but they feel more like traditional RPGs compared to the other Atelier games I tried.
One day I will just have to go for it and try one out!
I never played an atelier game before either. I decided to try Ryza for......reasons. Please don't judge.
Hehe 😜 all good!
I never played but, The Atelier games impression came off as a cozy, mild fan service-y, alchemy based RPG. The draw is : It has good character designs and graphics. But I have no clue on music, story, gameplay polish or if it's a fluffy rpg target at young girls or horny boys. I don't know what to make of it. I should watch a playthrough.
I might just have to try it out.
I think you'll be pleasantly surprised with Octopath Traveler 2. 🙏👍
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I personally didn’t find Bravely Default 2 hard at all. The only fight I had trouble with an optional post game boss fight. Octopath Traveler 2 is AMAZING! My favorite turn based game of all time, I HIGHLY recommend it.
I think I will give OT2 a try! From what everyone is saying I am seriously missing out!
I found Bravely 2 to be the easier, more player-friendly game in the series. Perfect way to start on the series. I guess the devs figured out the kinks in their system from the feedback on the first couple of Bravely games and applied what they learned on Bravely 2. Pretty much like how the Persona games got increasingly more accessible as it went along.
Similar story with Octo2. Big tip about it is you take full advantage of the "actions" (steal/charm/haggle/etc) to get stuff from NPCs so you don't have to grind too much in combat mode. In Octo2, each character gets 2 actions! That's it, really.
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@@femtrooper happy playing!
I agree with not caring for Treasures. As an “older” gamer I was not the target audience for that game. If you like Pokémon you’ll like Dark Prince.
I may have to try the demo then!
I didn’t thing I’d like the Etrian Odessey games either but I got really hooked when I played it! Mind you I also DO like drawing maps and figuring out mazes etc. They can get fairly grind heavy Imho though not epically bad. But the leveling, loot, monster and fighting mechanics combined with the maps is horribly addictive I found! There’s a really nice feeling of progressing down into deeper and deeper layers as you progress. I do believe that yeah there is an auto map feature on a number of them that allows you to just turn it on and it will draw out the map as you move around!
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Im scared of starting the trails series. I dont have a psp and dont want to play on pc so i cant start with sky which is the obvious starting point. I guess i could start with cold steel but i donno. Its such an expansive serie with multiple games, the amount of hours in there is mindblowing for me. But worst part is that i would most probably like it. Its sleeping in my backlog for now
I hated Cold Steel so I’m not the best person to ask haha 😅
Any visual novel game has always been a I dont wanna try this caegory.
I like visual novels with gameplay elements so like point and click or mystery games - pure visual novels are tough I’ll admit.
I'm surprised I didn't see anyone defending Etrian Odyssey.
This style of game is a successor to original PC RPGs from the 80's. They required creating your own map on physical grid paper, which EO integrates into the game, with or without automap. The Etrian Odyssey series also favors the unforgiving difficulty of the old-school CRPGs. There are a few other modern games like this and while some are enjoyable, none reach the heights of the EO series since the resurgence it catalyzed.
I love these games and half the reason is down to the music. Yuzo Koshiro is a master and some of his best work is present here.
I find this series cozy while exploring and grinding, and adrenaline pumping while fighting bosses and F!O!E!s.
There's also a mystery dungeon game with an Etrian Odyssey paint job. The mystery dungeon style roguelikes also being one of my faves.
I’ll have to try it someday. Might just be worth seeing if I like it!
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As someone that liked Triangle Strategy and sort of was hesitant about Octopath Traveler 2, so far it does feel fine difficulty wise. Not noticing a huge amount of grinding. Battle system and character class styles are really cool. One character can collect enemies and use them in battle like Pokemon for example!
My issue with it...the segmented stories is really tough for me. The characters only interact minimally and on the surface still. Just idle chit chat. It doesnt really feel like they are in the same party. This...makes it lose a LOT of points for me. But I'm still enjoying it to a degree. If Triangle Strategy was 9/10, OT2 is 8/10 for me.
I loved Triangle Strategy!!! That’s good to know.
I absolutely loved octopath 1, finished the secret boss (I’m the most casual player you’ll meet). I played Octo 2 and 8hrs in I got bored because it was much much easier than the first entry and I liked the octo 1 characters better
Might give it another shot this year tho!
That’s good to know!
Dungeon Crawlers are kind of a difficult genera to recommend because if you aren't a fan of that fixed camera view / movement style of JRPG then you just aren't into it . Etrian Odyssey is one that i personally really like due to the story, the fact that combat is turn based, you can turn on the auto map feature so you don't have to worry about drawing out the map it just does it for you (or if you wish to draw the map yourself you can, i like options lol). there is a lot of inventory management since you are locked in at 60 slots in your bag. i would highly recommend watching more play-though videos before deciding to get it or not ,since i recognize that just because i like this game, doesn't mean it's everyone's cup of tea. as far as a 1st person dungeon crawler to recommend for beginners to get introduced into the genera .. i haven't personally played it , but i heard a lot of good things about Undernauts
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If you want to try a dungeon crawler, I would suggest Mary Skelter!
Thank you! I’ve heard that’s a good one!
Well I'd suggest you need a Big change sometimes. Maybe "The Quarry" if you haven't played it, and that new one coming out--"Stellar Blade". SB oughta set you on fire! The things I don't like in my video games are: crafting, stopping to read a lot, and using a camera.
I love the Quarry! Really enjoyed it! And Stellar Blade is one I want!
Two I'm terrified of trying are the Saga games and the Soulsborne genre.
Saga because I've heard they're hard, the leveling mechanic seems counter to what I'm used to, and I hear the older titles are bad for getting soft locked in. I would hate to lose all my progress because I didn't keep enough saves.
Soulsbornes I've played but they terrify me. Their overall vibe and aesthetic is just very depressing and oppressive. I played through all of DS1 to prove I could but it made me so depressed at the end. I couldn't wait for it to be over. And having to learn countless enemy patterns, moves, reactions, and where tf to go from the bonfire to my next objective just was too much. Yeah there's tons of guides but man can I please get a bonfire like right BEFORE the freakin boss? Not like a mile or two before or after. The boss runs in DS1 filled me with so much anxiety. All it takes is forgetting that there's one silver knight that spawns around this corner and forgetting to parry or dodge their attack to just screw up your whole boss strategy. Because now you're at half the health or have one less estus flask all due to a normal enemy.
I’m totally freaked out to try any of the Saga games!
So, Ryza: have you played Skyrim or some similar Bethesda game? How did you handle inventory management and the weight limit? Are you the kind of person that constantly picks up too much shit and has to teleport back to dump inventory? If so, you're going to do the same with Ryza. You don't have to go crazy with crafting. It's absolutely required for some quests, but you can half ass it and move on. If you won't allow yourself to do that though, it will consume you. I like the game, but I spend too much time trying to craft better stuff, duplicating nice crafting mats so I don't have to use them up & remake them with potential different stats, and collecting items to feed that. If you can let yourself go on that, you might still enjoy it. If you can't ignore it, probably pass over the series.
For SMT, devil summons are crafting. That's why you hate it.
Interesting stuff, I think I’ll try it and find out for myself.
The Atelier games I find are hit or miss for me, but the Ryza trilogy of games I find are the best the series ever produced. The battle system is fast and fluid, characters are fun, and while the alchemy/crafting may not be for everyone, I find Ryza helps the player a lot, especially since you can auto-synth.
I'm with you on Octopath 2. I found the 1st game so grindy and slow paced that I'm not sure about diving into the 2nd. I may have to do my own response video on this topic as one I'm afraid to play is Soul Hackers 2. I loved the first game on 3DS, but here mixed things from people with the 2nd of people enjoying it or finding it really disappointing and I don't want to feel disappointed by it
Glad I’m not the only one hesitant about Octo 2!
Mainline SMT might not be for you, in addition to the fusing system, the way the press-turn system works is something you will have to learn the ins and outs of to succeed. However, if you are curious to play SMT V, there is a Safety difficulty setting that removes all of the challenge from the game (with the exception of the fight with Demi-fiend in the Return of the True Demon DLC, he is just that powerful).
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I think if I only did digital games, I would have this problem. However, since I collect more physical games than digital ones, even if I don't like a game or I give up on a game. I can sell that game to someone that might enjoy that type of game.
Gamer problems!!! Haha
As someone who has only played the Persona games, I can say SMT V kicked my butt! Pretty much the only similarity between the two series are the demons you encounter. If you really want to give it a try, I'd say wait for a sale. The physical version goes on sale pretty frequently on VGP's website. Also maybe wait for SMT Vengeance, as they will probably tweak the game so progression is a bit easier. Lastly, think about maybe picking it up on PS5, when Vengeance comes out, as the Switch graphics are kind of rough and blurry.
True! I’ve seen it SUPER cheap but maybe that new version coming out would be a good place to try.
It's like the old saying that nothing grows in the comfort zone.
Haha TRUE!
PMD explorers of sky on the DS is my favorite game of all time, but the series is definitely a hard sell. The story of the explorers games is unmatched though, if you experience one of them I'd highly recommend one of the DS ones (sky, time, darkness)
Everyone says that one is super good!!!
First person dungeon crawlers are about a dime a dozen these days. I'm not huge into Etrian Odyssey cause the stories are boring and the games are pretty tough but I'd recommend trying Mary Skelter trilogy, Demon Gaze, The Lost Child and Undernauts: Labyrinth to Yomi. There's plenty more really good ones on switch too with excellent stories and gameplay.
Various Daylife is an instant skip though. It's a low budget mobile game that is super boring.
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I gave up halfway through Octopath Traveler 1. I’m almost done with Octopath Traveler 2 and haven’t been able to put it down since I got it. It is SOOO much better and I can’t even explain why that is.
And it’s easier?
@@femtrooper I’d say so because of the new latent ability and passive abilities that characters have in the nighttime. With Agnea’s “enchant” you get everything for free.
For BD2, have you considered just watching the cutscenes online?
Not my style, I really prefer to experience the game properly. Never been into that.
That’s how I feel about any turn based RPG lol. I want to like them but I never enjoy them! For instance, I really wanna try sea of stars but I’m not sure if I’ll actually enjoy it!
Hmmm yeah, if you don’t like the genre as a whole then you probably wouldn’t like that game.
Octopath 2 has engaging side content and as long as you’re doing it the game is pretty easy. The story is much less boring imo with better characters.
I think the optional and post game stuff is pretty difficult but it’s optional. Also you can wander into areas that are hard but just know you don’t have to do things as you come across them.
Good to hear that!
I find many huge open world games intimidating, especially when it's hard to figure out where to go or what to do next. I also stink at FPS games, so there's that and I also get frustrated with games where I die over and over again and seem overly difficult. I don't have a lot of time for gaming, so I don't want to have to put a lot of thought, effort, and practice into my games. Linear turn-based RPGs and tactical RPGs seem to be the games I enjoy the most.
Yep, I’m not into huge open world games either! So overwhelming!
I see you had a Ryza discussion, but I will add my two cents. After Atelier Firis, I swore myself off of these games. I can't remember who it was convinced me to give Ryza a try, but I am glad that I did. Great story and characters. There is no time limit with synthesis, and I think it is more straightforward even if you decide to dig deeper and make better items. The combat is better done in this game as well.
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Etrian Odyssey is good! Unfortunately Atlus re released the original Nintendo DS versions of EO1 and EO2. Both games actually had a remake on the 3ds under the Untold title with new graphics,music,dlc and a revamp skill tree.
If you are looking for a good entry into playing EO I would play the 4th or 5th game and also Rhyza has a very complicated crafting system which would put a damper on you trying to play it.
If you are looking for a less intensive game to play I would try the ds Final Fantasy: The 4 Heroes of Light.
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