Great video! Another thing you could look at potentially making a video on is tips for/all of the work (paid and otherwise) and accreditations one must accumulate before applying for the limited and competitive number of specialty training posts! This could supplement the video you made before about specialty training programmes and how they are applied for and would also lead on nicely from this video.
Hey Ollie. I'm also a doctor from the UK and initially was training in London but left after FY2 to try working in Australia and have since chosen to stay here permanently and am enrolled in training. I was wondering if you had ever done any videos on why trainees in the UK leave and don't return? One could take their licence and effectively go anywhere provided they can get their licence converted to the country of their choice, but Australia and New Zealand are probably the most popular choices for a variety of professional reasons. US and Canada are also opted for, usually more academically or subspecialty minded individuals, but less commonly than Aus/NZ due to the examination barrier. Even though I'm happy I have found a country/system in which I am happy to work for my career, I'm still frustrated because I do wish for the UK to thrive and ultimately had FY1/2 been a better experience I would have probably never left. I'm curious if in any of your appointments/projects/past research you have explored why Aus/NZ specifically is so attractive, vs US/Canada, and how the UK/NHS might be able to adapt to ensure the doctors it does train are actually retained. Keep the videos coming! Praks
Thanks Praks! Really kind comments - it's not something I've discussed on here but really should at some point. That retention as you say is a massive thing the UK is bad at with its doctors (and other health staff) but my own research/work hasn't looked at it as yet.
I’m currently on a gap year with medicine offers from the uk Germany Austria and a few others. I have chosen Med Uni Wien in Vienna Austria as it’s free and rent is only €450 but I’ve been seeing a lot of frustration and anger on some of the sub Reddit’s. A lot of calls for 2 years minimum service or prioritising uk grads and only giving IMGs the left over posts. Is there any benefit to staying in the uk and just eating the debt. I love Austria but if I come back and start seeing that it’s uk grads only or 2 years of nhs SHO required plus the 9 months required by Austria/ just in general being more disadvantaged for specialty posts the free MD/Phd dosent seem as appealing
Thank you for the video, a few routes mentioned here so perhaps not one specific answer, but how is best to find & apply for these jobs? I'm particularly interested in Junior Clinical Fellow, will this be something that is advertised or should you express interest to a particular department to see if they can arrange that role?
NHS Jobs and HealthJobsUK are good - definitely helps to reach out to departments and express interest too. You'll end up applying formally through a system called Trac most likely at the end anyway.
Hello, love your videos; they're very informative. I do have a question. Do CRFs get any teaching time? and say one was interested in teaching and research, which would be better between being a CTF or CRF? Thank you!
I think it would be atypical that a CRF would get designed teaching time, given that's not the focus of the post. I did by virtue of taking on responsibility of being the local 'teaching lead SHO', which meant covering lectures/planning stuff for the med students. All of these things are what you make of them!
Hi Dr. Ollie, how competitive are these routes to IMGs? Not just these but also foundation pathways like SFP and FFP, and Acdemic clinical fellow pathway within specialty training. Are these mostly taken up by UK grads or do IMGs who immigrate stand a chance?
So important to be clear we're talking about a few different things. Foundation/SFP/FPP etc are all nationally recruited and are accessible to IMGs, although I think there are a smaller number of posts available. There are also standalone FY1/FY2 posts which IMGs can apply for. ACFs (Academic Clinical Fellows) are applied for in the same way as specialty training/residency, and again are open to IMGs in just the same way that specialty training is. The jobs I'm talking about in this video are separate from all of that, and are standalone temporary contracts - but again IMGs will usually be eligible. IMGs will not be disadvantaged by the process itself, technically, although obviously there are language/cultural/familiarity issues to overcome. That is to say it's likely that an IMG might need to work harder to get the post - because usually a UK graduate will have all the relevant experience and portfolio in place.
@@OllieBurtonMedUnderstood, thank you. Where can I find the portfolio requirements for these different posts? Are the requirements usually listed along with the job or are there other websites I need to check?
The only relevance I can think of is that if applying for one of these programmes mentioned in the video, you would need a suitable visa to take them up for the year. Many of my neurosurgery colleagues were in the UK on a one-year working visa.
Great video! Another thing you could look at potentially making a video on is tips for/all of the work (paid and otherwise) and accreditations one must accumulate before applying for the limited and competitive number of specialty training posts! This could supplement the video you made before about specialty training programmes and how they are applied for and would also lead on nicely from this video.
Hey Ollie. I'm also a doctor from the UK and initially was training in London but left after FY2 to try working in Australia and have since chosen to stay here permanently and am enrolled in training. I was wondering if you had ever done any videos on why trainees in the UK leave and don't return?
One could take their licence and effectively go anywhere provided they can get their licence converted to the country of their choice, but Australia and New Zealand are probably the most popular choices for a variety of professional reasons. US and Canada are also opted for, usually more academically or subspecialty minded individuals, but less commonly than Aus/NZ due to the examination barrier.
Even though I'm happy I have found a country/system in which I am happy to work for my career, I'm still frustrated because I do wish for the UK to thrive and ultimately had FY1/2 been a better experience I would have probably never left.
I'm curious if in any of your appointments/projects/past research you have explored why Aus/NZ specifically is so attractive, vs US/Canada, and how the UK/NHS might be able to adapt to ensure the doctors it does train are actually retained.
Keep the videos coming!
Praks
Thanks Praks! Really kind comments - it's not something I've discussed on here but really should at some point. That retention as you say is a massive thing the UK is bad at with its doctors (and other health staff) but my own research/work hasn't looked at it as yet.
I’m currently on a gap year with medicine offers from the uk Germany Austria and a few others. I have chosen Med Uni Wien in Vienna Austria as it’s free and rent is only €450 but I’ve been seeing a lot of frustration and anger on some of the sub Reddit’s. A lot of calls for 2 years minimum service or prioritising uk grads and only giving IMGs the left over posts. Is there any benefit to staying in the uk and just eating the debt. I love Austria but if I come back and start seeing that it’s uk grads only or 2 years of nhs SHO required plus the 9 months required by Austria/ just in general being more disadvantaged for specialty posts the free MD/Phd dosent seem as appealing
We have no idea how things will change is the issue. The best anyone can do is try and plan as far forward as they can.
Thank you for the video, a few routes mentioned here so perhaps not one specific answer, but how is best to find & apply for these jobs? I'm particularly interested in Junior Clinical Fellow, will this be something that is advertised or should you express interest to a particular department to see if they can arrange that role?
NHS Jobs and HealthJobsUK are good - definitely helps to reach out to departments and express interest too. You'll end up applying formally through a system called Trac most likely at the end anyway.
Hello, love your videos; they're very informative. I do have a question. Do CRFs get any teaching time? and say one was interested in teaching and research, which would be better between being a CTF or CRF? Thank you!
I think it would be atypical that a CRF would get designed teaching time, given that's not the focus of the post. I did by virtue of taking on responsibility of being the local 'teaching lead SHO', which meant covering lectures/planning stuff for the med students. All of these things are what you make of them!
@@OllieBurtonMed Thank you
Hi Dr. Ollie, how competitive are these routes to IMGs? Not just these but also foundation pathways like SFP and FFP, and Acdemic clinical fellow pathway within specialty training. Are these mostly taken up by UK grads or do IMGs who immigrate stand a chance?
So important to be clear we're talking about a few different things.
Foundation/SFP/FPP etc are all nationally recruited and are accessible to IMGs, although I think there are a smaller number of posts available. There are also standalone FY1/FY2 posts which IMGs can apply for.
ACFs (Academic Clinical Fellows) are applied for in the same way as specialty training/residency, and again are open to IMGs in just the same way that specialty training is.
The jobs I'm talking about in this video are separate from all of that, and are standalone temporary contracts - but again IMGs will usually be eligible.
IMGs will not be disadvantaged by the process itself, technically, although obviously there are language/cultural/familiarity issues to overcome. That is to say it's likely that an IMG might need to work harder to get the post - because usually a UK graduate will have all the relevant experience and portfolio in place.
@@OllieBurtonMedUnderstood, thank you. Where can I find the portfolio requirements for these different posts? Are the requirements usually listed along with the job or are there other websites I need to check?
For all the ones in this video the requirements will be in the job description, no need to read around.
How does this differ for uk medical school graduates who are on a visa thank you :)
The only relevance I can think of is that if applying for one of these programmes mentioned in the video, you would need a suitable visa to take them up for the year. Many of my neurosurgery colleagues were in the UK on a one-year working visa.