Good tips. I think most people are best off buying a little solar to reduce their electric bill a little, and add to it a little later. The less the electric company notices, the better.
You can now find a sun grid-tie inverter with limiter or GTIL.. It has a sensor that hooks to your input power leads from the grid and prevents back feeding through the meter but allows the loads in the house to use the electricity from the inverter reducing your power bill.
Rules and regulations. That's exactly why I went off grid. Now they can't tell me how I have to do my shit. I live in an RV, so no building code to follow either. Can do it my way. And you nailed it too. They don't want you making your own power. Period. That's why in Florida, it's actually illegal to not have grid power to your home. It's about money. And you don't get cheaper rates at night. You get more expensive rates in the day. Lol
My son lives in FL and has solar going to his grid. It was all inspected & approved. He has a Tesla too, and uses very little power each month. You might want to check on that info.
In the UK the new meter just stops when backfeeding (light goes solid red to state no consumption) PAYG meters seem to work the same way (I only ever seen one person have an old spinner meter and there free solar system was spinning his meter backwards) but if they really want to be hissy they can fine you for running one of these uncertified grid tie inverters If you get a certified grid tie inverters like sunnyboy up to 240v 3.8kw > 16a max back feed (the inverter is automatically set to max 16a backfeed limit) you only have to notify them and they say if your street can have right away or when they have replaced the underground street transformer, if lots of people on your street have solar as the original old transformers was not designed for back feeding and if the street is back feeding to grid more than what is actually being fed into the street it can damage the older transformer Some early smart meters you don't want as they have a built in disconnect and would cut you off if you was backfeeding in Australia practically all the meters are configured in this way you just slightly send more than 5-10w backfeed they cut you off at the meter and then the electric company charges you to restore the meter as the meter reports that it was cut off because of back feeding as it has an error code on the screen which state it and they're not even smart metres they're just normal metres or the prepaid metres
That was good information. Your warnings were right in line with my fears. I just want to cover the power needed for my AC. Out here it is scorching hot and the AC has to run from May through November. Need a way to push the power only when the AC is running. Any options on how to do this? I have 7 180wt panels mounted, but was afraid to go any further.
Hi i was wondering i have 2 1000w grid tie inverter. And i don't want to push 2000w constantly in to the house. If i have a timer switch plugged into the wall plugs and set the timer to connect daytime disconnect night ...just simple thing will the inverter automatically click in to eiland protection mode. So example: from 9:00AM 1-1000W grid tie inverter. 7:00PM second 1-1000W grid tie inverter =(2000W). Till 12:00AM light switch turns off nr1 and nr2 grid tie inverter will that nake the inverter go to eiland protection. I only have a turbine and i don't see the point draining the battery bank when I'm not running light exstra.( So some up light timer switch trick the inverter to eiland protection?)
Thanks for your info but what i need to now is will i save kW throw the converter or not. i want to use a 5kw inverter power with a 250/48v AC-dc down step transformer direct from the grit. note no solar panels or batteries. regards
I never thought they would invent something like that! Ridiculous. I saw a UA-camr with one a few days ago and swore that they coikd not invent something as dangerous as that. Why would someone make a power source with a make plug to back feed your panel? Why not just buy an inverter and power your TV and a few other things depending on the power consumption of those devices? That set up has all sort of complications.
Tank You for the great video and information. Where I live, I can sell the electricity back to the power company. I will use both slar and wind to generate electricity. I have a few questions for You.Is there a grid tie inverter that would automatically turn off when the grid goes down without turning the wind turbine or the solar panels off, And automatically turn back on when the grid comes back up? Also I would like to power the house when the grid goes down from the wind turbine and the solar panels. I am trying to find a automatic load dump control. Any help would be a blessing. Again Thank You.
I used a GTB-800 grid tie micro-inverter. for 10 day, before AEP Texas left a note on my door notifying me that I needed to submit the required interconnection application. In order to submit the application online, I have to submit spec sheets in docx. or pdf formats for each brand of solar panel (referred to as a generator), and each micro inverter, ;line drawings, and multiple photos of the system used. Most spec sheets are not readily available in these formats. After spending $140 for that inverter and $70 for a 300 watt, I was able to generate 1.5 to 2 kw per day. My house uses 25 - 30 kw per day. Obviously, it's not about the money. Yes, I have a smart meter, that transmits my info via rf. The other issue, is that any grid-tie inverter has to be precertified by UL-1741 and IEEE-1547. and these are not and are not qualified to use.
I did make more the the half of my house separate from the meter, no connection to the meter. so my own lines and that works perfectly, we have lots of shutdowns so all the important things like light, fridge and house equipment are off grid, aircondion and shower are on the grid because of this I saved every month some 50 euro and the insurance that I have also light and my fridge is also working, the left over power is use for charging the batteries for the aquaponic and hydroponics and still even after a cloudy day all full
Hi there, great channel and presentation. I have one of these with a plug in watt meter, but I recently noticed that the output Watts fluctuates eg. Outputs 150w then drops to 50 or 60, then builds back up to 150w, and the cycle starts all over again. Any ideas, I have heard you have a good electronic guy called Sid was wondering on your thoughts. Keep up the great work, Thanks.
Thank You for the great video and information. I will be using wind power, Is there a way to hook up tp the grid and still get power from the wind turbine to the house without affecting the utility grid? I dont want to use batteries. Any info. would be great. Again Thank You.
Take a look at the sun grid-tie inverter with limiter for wind systems, it has three inputs for the three phase wild AC from the turbine, and two outputs for a shunt load.
If grid tie inverters is not what I want. Is it a good idea for me to say produce enough of my own electric to just turn my electric meter off and run my house off my own power I produce at certain times?
The power company does not "send energy to your home". Your home draws energy from the grid as it needs. I'm flabbergasted why they would make such equipment.
I woukd never use any of these devices not even in my chicken coop. If it's not UL approved why would I have it in my home tied to the grid? What happen if the linesman are working on the lines?
Actually the meteor you're talking about you have to buy that. that's called you know some kind of unilateral meter they do not put that on regular houses . If you want one of those you have to call the electric company and ask for that . And they will put one on your house if you have solar panels on the top of it .
If'n you ain't a usin' it any more, would you mind sending it to me? Thought I'd ask. Thanks for the info, my guess is that I use more power than it would put out, so I'm still consuming energy from the pole at the same time, just less, that about right?
Begging for Forgiveness is easier then asking for permission. LOL Everything on Your side of the Meter is YOUR responsibility. Power company will tell you that them selves. That being fact they simply have no need to know. Insuring your system does in fact operate Island protection your good to go. All Grid Ties on the market that I've seen do in fact have Island Protection. Best mode of operation is to simply create no more power then your using.
i wish he would have covered why you can't just take a regular pure sine wave inverter, shut off the main power in your panel from the power company, then run your home on your own inverter
In the case of non-grid tie inverters, you can shut off your mains, but most inverters will only run one side of your 240v panel; so you will get half your house covered. Pick which side gas your refrigerator ok it, and you are good for emergencies. With half your panel covered, don’t turn on your stove or dryer or water heater or HVAC system - that will blow up your little sine wave inverter: A really big inverter is needed to get off the grid. Your HVAC will have a rating call LRA (Locked Rotor Amps) and that is what you need to size your inverter to handle as the peak load. For example, my HVAC compressor has 130LRA, meaning your inverter must be rated to handle a minimum of 31,200 Peak Load, or a 31K inverter. (Think about the battery bank for that: 31.2kv / 48v battery bank = 650Ah peak capacity for a battery bank, being fed by your solar panels.)
Actually I must say I like the way you explained the grid tie inverters. However there is one simple thing I need to know ,Does the three sprung cord that accompanies the inverter specifically for charging the battery only,or does it power up the house at the same time?If it doesn't then what must I do.Every thing else is already in place.
The three prong cord is only one way to the power grid, the charging is done by a different source like with a charge controller connected directly to either solar or wind. You're gonna want a regular pure sine wave inverter for powering your house since the grid tie inverters are to trick the power company that you're using less electricity than you really are.
I have that very model, it quit working 8 months after I got it. I will work but when it get hot the fans dont seem to be working then it shuts down, meaning that the led light is on solid green and no output as per the display. do you know of a fix for this?
@@johnwyman6331 No, the fans are good. I've traced the problem to the small control board, I now have 3 of these Power Jack inverters that QUIT, One after only 8 months. Cant get any support from the SLIMES on FleaBay that sold them. FEDUP with POWERJACK!. Do you have parts?
Im guessing that the power companies that dont mind because then they dont have to generate that power themselves, they would save themselves building infastructure
They have to build and maintain the infrastructure, anyway… to get to everyone’s house. That costs money, and everyone pays to make sure every person has a pole nearby or a trench dug (more expensive.)
Grid tie inverters do not normally connect to a battery bank. Normal inverters connect to a battery bank, while solar charge controllers charge the battery bank from panels… but your grid power must be disconnects if you connect a normal inverter with batteries & solar to your house.
Little info to smart meters: ua-cam.com/video/XCtYNNDslJk/v-deo.html The people can read the meters by them self and send(internet or per telephone ect) it to the energy company, that's how we do it in the UK.
I've had 3 of those Power Jack GTI'S There PURE JUNK, the 3 I had didn't even last a year. Also I can't believe your telling people to just plug into a outlet in your house UNLESS you want to possibly burn down your house. They MUST be installed on there OWN breaker in the the breaker box for safety reasons. I had to STOP using my system due those smart meters as I was actually being charged for what I was generating. I will be installing a unit with a limiter that keeps this from happening.
Yeah they're called magnets you put them on side the thing so wouldn't spend . It was also called metering tampering . but if you do that and it's on the side of your house and you're not going f****** crazy on your power they don't know how much power your using . That's what the meter is for
@@gentlegiant. Some off grid inverters will accept an AC source coupled to the AC output of the off grid inverter which allows AC to flow back into the battery as DC or if they are connected to an AC source back into the grid.
That stuff is not right anymore . It hasn't been right like that in years like 20 years. All you got to do is find out what uses what power with a kilowatt meter and that will fead back into your house . So if you're using 400 watts TV and stuff in that thing does 500 watts you'll have an extra hundred Watts going back into the meter . And 100 watts into the meters is nothing .
In Illinois the new meters charge you for any power you make more than you use ,just like you said. The power company actually lied to me about this when they put the new meter in. Comed told me it would just stop and not go backwards like before, i learned the expensive way. Now im going off grid.
Shan you are so good at your work. I appreciate your help big up your self 👍👍
Good tips. I think most people are best off buying a little solar to reduce their electric bill a little, and add to it a little later. The less the electric company notices, the better.
You can now find a sun grid-tie inverter with limiter or GTIL.. It has a sensor that hooks to your input power leads from the grid and prevents back feeding through the meter but allows the loads in the house to use the electricity from the inverter reducing your power bill.
@Jude Kole nobody cares about you and your friends scam
Link please
Thanks for the info. It was exactly the information I was looking for.
a lot of good info on these things, i always wondered what the deal was.
HOWdy G-S,
Thanks for this INFORMATION ...
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I didn't see your recent videos on gpvlog so I've came here it's very interesting what you do man
Thanks bud. When the car is fixed I will be back to that too
Rules and regulations. That's exactly why I went off grid. Now they can't tell me how I have to do my shit. I live in an RV, so no building code to follow either. Can do it my way.
And you nailed it too. They don't want you making your own power. Period. That's why in Florida, it's actually illegal to not have grid power to your home. It's about money. And you don't get cheaper rates at night. You get more expensive rates in the day. Lol
My son lives in FL and has solar going to his grid. It was all inspected & approved. He has a Tesla too, and uses very little power each month. You might want to check on that info.
In the UK the new meter just stops when backfeeding (light goes solid red to state no consumption) PAYG meters seem to work the same way (I only ever seen one person have an old spinner meter and there free solar system was spinning his meter backwards)
but if they really want to be hissy they can fine you for running one of these uncertified grid tie inverters
If you get a certified grid tie inverters like sunnyboy up to 240v 3.8kw > 16a max back feed (the inverter is automatically set to max 16a backfeed limit) you only have to notify them and they say if your street can have right away or when they have replaced the underground street transformer, if lots of people on your street have solar as the original old transformers was not designed for back feeding and if the street is back feeding to grid more than what is actually being fed into the street it can damage the older transformer
Some early smart meters you don't want as they have a built in disconnect and would cut you off if you was backfeeding
in Australia practically all the meters are configured in this way you just slightly send more than 5-10w backfeed they cut you off at the meter and then the electric company charges you to restore the meter as the meter reports that it was cut off because of back feeding as it has an error code on the screen which state it and they're not even smart metres they're just normal metres or the prepaid metres
That was good information. Your warnings were right in line with my fears. I just want to cover the power needed for my AC. Out here it is scorching hot and the AC has to run from May through November. Need a way to push the power only when the AC is running. Any options on how to do this? I have 7 180wt panels mounted, but was afraid to go any further.
hey Sean, have you seen the new 30kw Pj inverter? it looks like 2 stacked together with parallel cables connecting them
Hi i was wondering i have 2 1000w grid tie inverter. And i don't want to push 2000w constantly in to the house. If i have a timer switch plugged into the wall plugs and set the timer to connect daytime disconnect night ...just simple thing will the inverter automatically click in to eiland protection mode. So example: from 9:00AM 1-1000W grid tie inverter. 7:00PM second 1-1000W grid tie inverter =(2000W). Till 12:00AM light switch turns off nr1 and nr2 grid tie inverter will that nake the inverter go to eiland protection. I only have a turbine and i don't see the point draining the battery bank when I'm not running light exstra.( So some up light timer switch trick the inverter to eiland protection?)
Thanks for your info but what i need to now is will i save kW throw the converter or not. i want to use a 5kw inverter power with a 250/48v AC-dc down step transformer direct from the grit. note no solar panels or batteries.
regards
My meter is digital but older (early FOCUS KWh meter from 2006), would the power company be able to tell I’m using one of these?
Where you bought this inverter
I never thought they would invent something like that! Ridiculous. I saw a UA-camr with one a few days ago and swore that they coikd not invent something as dangerous as that. Why would someone make a power source with a make plug to back feed your panel?
Why not just buy an inverter and power your TV and a few other things depending on the power consumption of those devices? That set up has all sort of complications.
Tank You for the great video and information. Where I live, I can sell the electricity back to the power company. I will use both slar and wind to generate electricity. I have a few questions for You.Is there a grid tie inverter that would automatically turn off when the grid goes down without turning the wind turbine or the solar panels off, And automatically turn back on when the grid comes back up? Also I would like to power the house when the grid goes down from the wind turbine and the solar panels. I am trying to find a automatic load dump control. Any help would be a blessing. Again Thank You.
what state you in ?
Link to your other channel?
it's 2021 I have two of those and they're still running
I used a GTB-800 grid tie micro-inverter. for 10 day, before AEP Texas left a note on my door notifying me that I needed to submit the required interconnection application. In order to submit the application online, I have to submit spec sheets in docx. or pdf formats for each brand of solar panel (referred to as a generator), and each micro inverter, ;line drawings, and multiple photos of the system used. Most spec sheets are not readily available in these formats. After spending $140 for that inverter and $70 for a 300 watt, I was able to generate 1.5 to 2 kw per day. My house uses 25 - 30 kw per day. Obviously, it's not about the money. Yes, I have a smart meter, that transmits my info via rf. The other issue, is that any grid-tie inverter has to be precertified by UL-1741 and IEEE-1547. and these are not and are not qualified to use.
Thanks
I did make more the the half of my house separate from the meter, no connection to the meter.
so my own lines and that works perfectly, we have lots of shutdowns so all the important things like light, fridge and house equipment are off grid, aircondion and shower are on the grid because of this I saved every month some 50 euro and the insurance that I have also light and my fridge is also working, the left over power is use for charging the batteries for the aquaponic and hydroponics and still even after a cloudy day all full
Call.your power company and ask about solar net metering to get paid for sending power back.
I need to order some inverters to use with my array.
Hi there, great channel and presentation. I have one of these with a plug in watt meter, but I recently noticed that the output Watts fluctuates eg. Outputs 150w then drops to 50 or 60, then builds back up to 150w, and the cycle starts all over again. Any ideas, I have heard you have a good electronic guy called Sid was wondering on your thoughts. Keep up the great work, Thanks.
Thank You for the great video and information. I will be using wind power, Is there a way to hook up tp the grid and still get power from the wind turbine to the house without affecting the utility grid? I dont want to use batteries. Any info. would be great. Again Thank You.
Take a look at the sun grid-tie inverter with limiter for wind systems, it has three inputs for the three phase wild AC from the turbine, and two outputs for a shunt load.
If grid tie inverters is not what I want. Is it a good idea for me to say produce enough of my own electric to just turn my electric meter off and run my house off my own power I produce at certain times?
The power company does not "send energy to your home". Your home draws energy from the grid as it needs. I'm flabbergasted why they would make such equipment.
Perfect for the van life? Found two panels and an inverter in a dumpster, I'm looking for my van. Thanks
Dman what an awesome find !
It won't work if it doesn't detect grid AC power
@@notsecure - only the case if the found inverter is a grid tie inverter. If he found a normal inverter, he can do it:
where you from man
I woukd never use any of these devices not even in my chicken coop. If it's not UL approved why would I have it in my home tied to the grid? What happen if the linesman are working on the lines?
I mean they should shut you off at the meter if you bak feed on a line that has no power, no one wants to get elektrokuted while working on a line.
Actually the meteor you're talking about you have to buy that. that's called you know some kind of unilateral meter they do not put that on regular houses . If you want one of those you have to call the electric company and ask for that . And they will put one on your house if you have solar panels on the top of it .
Please help if my Power is cut how can I use my grid inverter for power to my farm.
Not a function of the normal grid tie inverter.
You need a special function inverter for something like that. GenetrySolar is working on one.
If'n you ain't a usin' it any more, would you mind sending it to me? Thought I'd ask. Thanks for the info, my guess is that I use more power than it would put out, so I'm still consuming energy from the pole at the same time, just less, that about right?
Begging for Forgiveness is easier then asking for permission. LOL Everything on Your side of the Meter is YOUR responsibility. Power company will tell you that them selves. That being fact they simply have no need to know. Insuring your system does in fact operate Island protection your good to go. All Grid Ties on the market that I've seen do in fact have Island Protection. Best mode of operation is to simply create no more power then your using.
i wish he would have covered why you can't just take a regular pure sine wave inverter, shut off the main power in your panel from the power company, then run your home on your own inverter
In the case of the grid tie inverters, as soon as you shut off the mains, the grid tie inverters will automatically shut off.
In the case of non-grid tie inverters, you can shut off your mains, but most inverters will only run one side of your 240v panel; so you will get half your house covered.
Pick which side gas your refrigerator ok it, and you are good for emergencies.
With half your panel covered, don’t turn on your stove or dryer or water heater or HVAC system - that will blow up your little sine wave inverter:
A really big inverter is needed to get off the grid. Your HVAC will have a rating call LRA (Locked Rotor Amps) and that is what you need to size your inverter to handle as the peak load.
For example, my HVAC compressor has 130LRA, meaning your inverter must be rated to handle a minimum of 31,200 Peak Load, or a 31K inverter.
(Think about the battery bank for that: 31.2kv / 48v battery bank = 650Ah peak capacity for a battery bank, being fed by your solar panels.)
Actually I must say I like the way you explained the grid tie inverters. However there is one simple thing I need to know ,Does the three sprung cord that accompanies the inverter specifically for charging the battery only,or does it power up the house at the same time?If it doesn't then what must I do.Every thing else is already in place.
The three prong cord is only one way to the power grid, the charging is done by a different source like with a charge controller connected directly to either solar or wind. You're gonna want a regular pure sine wave inverter for powering your house since the grid tie inverters are to trick the power company that you're using less electricity than you really are.
I have that very model, it quit working 8 months after I got it. I will work but when it get hot the fans dont seem to be working then it shuts down, meaning that the led light is on solid green and no output as per the display. do you know of a fix for this?
Sounds like the transformer temp sensor is not working properly
@@GenetrySolar is there a schematic for these units?
@@kellyvb9881 not as of now. I am trying to aquire a master book from power jack
Do you need to replace the fans?
@@johnwyman6331 No, the fans are good. I've traced the problem to the small control board, I now have 3 of these Power Jack inverters that QUIT, One after only 8 months. Cant get any support from the SLIMES on FleaBay that sold them. FEDUP with POWERJACK!. Do you have parts?
Im guessing that the power companies that dont mind because then they dont have to generate that power themselves, they would save themselves building infastructure
They have to build and maintain the infrastructure, anyway… to get to everyone’s house. That costs money, and everyone pays to make sure every person has a pole nearby or a trench dug (more expensive.)
inverter can connect to the battery battery ?????
Grid tie inverters do not normally connect to a battery bank.
Normal inverters connect to a battery bank, while solar charge controllers charge the battery bank from panels… but your grid power must be disconnects if you connect a normal inverter with batteries & solar to your house.
Little info to smart meters:
ua-cam.com/video/XCtYNNDslJk/v-deo.html
The people can read the meters by them self and send(internet or per telephone ect) it to the energy company, that's how we do it in the UK.
I've had 3 of those Power Jack GTI'S There PURE JUNK, the 3 I had didn't even last a year. Also I can't believe your telling people to just plug into a outlet in your house UNLESS you want to possibly burn down your house. They MUST be installed on there OWN breaker in the the breaker box for safety reasons. I had to STOP using my system due those smart meters as I was actually being charged for what I was generating. I will be installing a unit with a limiter that keeps this from happening.
Yeah they're called magnets you put them on side the thing so wouldn't spend . It was also called metering tampering . but if you do that and it's on the side of your house and you're not going f****** crazy on your power they don't know how much power your using . That's what the meter is for
You forgot to tell us you can AC couple grid tie to some off grid inverters and use it as a charger / AC supply inverter.
what are you talking about
@@gentlegiant. Some off grid inverters will accept an AC source coupled to the AC output of the off grid inverter which allows AC to flow back into the battery as DC or if they are connected to an AC source back into the grid.
That stuff is not right anymore . It hasn't been right like that in years like 20 years. All you got to do is find out what uses what power with a kilowatt meter and that will fead back into your house . So if you're using 400 watts TV and stuff in that thing does 500 watts you'll have an extra hundred Watts going back into the meter . And 100 watts into the meters is nothing .
That is why they have what's called NET METERING so they know and can pay you for your power and shut you down if the power grid goes down
Yes. But many people do not want to invest the money to be hooked up the proper way.
In Illinois the new meters charge you for any power you make more than you use ,just like you said. The power company actually lied to me about this when they put the new meter in. Comed told me it would just stop and not go backwards like before, i learned the expensive way. Now im going off grid.
You will never get your small generator to start under a neighborhood wide load. I will kill mine just trying to power the water heater.
work on the way to grid the crooks are the power company
Too slow!, lay off the beer before you video. Get to the point !