As a sensitive person you are already doing a marvellous and courageous thing by putting yourself out there on such a public forum. You do such good work (all three of you) and by pronouncing names in ways that are familiar to ‘English’ ears shows to me that you are making an effort to be more accessible and understandable to us. I prefer to pronounce names in their native form, but I am not going to pronounce everything correctly in every situation as I may simply come across as pretentious. Yet again, I have learned something from your channel. Thank you.
Good job Max and that's a class act of you to simply not delete his comment in disgust. It can be a turn off when you work hard on a video and someone ignores all the good things and points out mistakes. Few years ago I did a review of the Mir 37 mm lens and talking about its history I mentioned it got a prize in the Brussels world's Fair in Germany. Every now and then someone will comment and remind me Brussels is not in Germany LOL. Carry on.
Disgust? What is wrong with this world? Criticism is helpful and apparently the user was totally right. It would have been childish, if he deleted the comment.
One person may not like your German pronunciation, Max, but I have to say how much I appreciate your flawless English! I've been trying to learn German online for nearly two years and really appreciate how much work is involved in learning a second language. Many thanks to you, Greg and Jules for an excellent channel.
A great lesson in how to turn around a negative experience or emotion into something positive. Very educational, in more ways than one, so thank you. I also love the creative use of the typewriter - very 'analog'.
During a pandemic someone really wrote such a comment? Most Non-Spanish speaking people can't even pronounce the most basic Spanish words ie tortilla, taco, burrito accurately. So, please be nice if people don't pronounce Schneider Kreuznach correctly. 🤗 Love ❤️ your channel!! Ignore the stiffs.
Funny touch and even funnier to see that in your introduction, it is still visible that you were upset by this comment. The resulted video is usually class and educational, you nailed it :)
As a Dutchman, I understand only too well how easy it is to ‘Englify’ names from your native language, although you know it sounds silly even to your own ears. It’s just how the mind and the mouth work together. It requires effort to - temporarily - switch from English back to Dutch and then go back to English again. Not impossible, but not the ‘natural’ thing to do either. I wonder how mr. Gattaldo feels about this, when he speaks English, or any other foreign language. That being said, I do understand his point of view. A matter of pride I suppose. And sure, if only looking at Germany’s contribution to the photographic industry, you guys have a lot to be proud of! You handled mr. Gattaldo’s comment like a gentleman (as expected), the result being an unusual but again educational, enjoyable and much appreciated video. 😉
'Englify' is not a real word; you should have used 'Anglicize' (spelling as listed in the Oxford English Dictionary). Isn't this fun? I agree with all your comments.
@@kenhosie4533 you are right, I made it up for the occasion (hence the inverted commas). Did not know the word Anglicize, so I learnt something new - thank you so much! And, your encouragement is much appreciated. 👍🏻
@@erikvalkman9640 Erik, in my experience Dutch people speak better English than many Brits and we Brits must be the worlds worst for not speaking other languages. Stay safe
I totally agree with the critic if not his manner of criticising. It's great to hear these names pronounced as they should be. I especially appreciated Voigtländer, my first ever camera which I used to pronounce VOYTLANDER until I studied German and then thought it was more like FERTLENDER. Also, I always said PrakTIKA so I'm pleased, now to correct this as PRAKtika.So, now I know. Danke sehr, Max. By the way, you missed Carl Zeiss JENA. I often hear the 'J' pronounced as in English 'jam' rather than the 'Y' in 'You' and that always really grates with me. I don't think any of these brands is that difficult for an English speaker to pronounce with a bit of practice. After all, we English-speaking natives expect non-native speakers to pronounce our brands correctly.
I am looking forward to the correct pronunciation of the other half of photography - Japanese. Bokeh, Canon, Nikon (everyone has their own version), Fuji et al... I am sure Japanese wince in pain at the way their language is mangled.
@@quentinnewark2745 An interesting thing about Nikon is that the company has stated that all regional pronunciations of 'Nikon' are correct; there is no one 'proper' pronunciation. I wonder if any other companies take this approach?
@@andreweckert3128 they began as tried Joico and then Nikkor as simpler trading name (derived from Ni-KKK with added 'or'). They made binoculars, microscopes and lenses initially. (The new modern Japanese navy wanted binoculars as good as the Bausch & Lomb and Zeiss ones used by the Western navies they had trained with... NKKK obliged!) Then they tried Nikkon (with two 'k's!!) for small cameras... probably deliberately eliding with German giant Zeiss and its Ikon cameras. At some point the second 'k' got dropped (making it definitely like Ikon!). Since Nikon is made up, and not a real word, there genuinely is no correct pronunciation!!! I think the idea of saying each regional pronunciation is ok is a good idea. In UK we tend to say N-eye-kon, and in USA N-ee-kon.
Wunderbar! I took 1 year of German in high school in 1984-85. There is musical quality to German well spoken. Moreover, I loved hearing these beloved camera names so well pronounced by you here. Obviously, as an American my pronunciations will retain their American flavor. Well done and keep up the good work. Do not be discouraged. Danke schön!
What a great video! I own a Minox and have been mispronouncing its name for years! As a native English speaker with no ability to speak German (except perhaps to ask for a beer and say "thank you" 😉) I wouldn't dare to comment on correct German pronunciation. However, as someone who speaks English with a classic English accent I must say that Max's English grammar, range of vocabulary, and accuracy of pronunciation is absolutely superb. Many native English speakers do not speak English as beautifully as he does!
Max, Your videos are exquisitely filmed and super informative, please relay to your ‘doubter’ that we, your viewers, are not in anyway in need of a pronunciation lesson and suggest he directs his attentions in an altogether different direction. Keep on doing what you do so well and thank you!
As an American I cannot judge your German pronunciations , but your English is better than many people in the United States. I also very much appreciate your channel, and the time and effort you must put into it.
Max, it was lovely to hear these names pronounced in German, in your mellifluous baritone ; ) I would imagine that your audience is composed of folks who do in fact appreciate the beauty of different languages, even if those of us who do not speak German decline to adopt the correct pronunciation of these names so as not to appear as pretentious douchebags (I'm a musician and intentionally do not pronounce "Bach" correctly, precisely to avoid getting punched in the face). Let us thank your subscriber for prompting this offering from you; and let us extend to them the benefit of the doubt that their frustration comes from a noble place. Well-conceived video, by the way!
You forgot one of my cameras Max, Linhof. I hope the guy who complained about the pronunciation never visits Mexico because we pronounce german cameras in Spanish haha
Excellent video, I remember my car enthusiast brother being let down by knowing what BMW stood for when we visited in Munich. Bavarian Motor Works! I felt the opposite as Bavaria is a beautiful and magical place.
I truly enjoyed this episode, just discovered your channel with the MA episode. I'm french, we are generally bad at languages and pronunciation (though I'm making efforts in all the languages I speak), and last week I stumbled on a video of a Voigtlander lens. The guy was fluent in english but was pronouncing Voigtlander strangely yet beautifully. At least I thought it was strange but after a few researches, I found he was German native and pronouncing it the right way. It was a nice little discovery because the native pronunciation has more charm to it. So stumbling on your video is a real pleasure. I'm gonna get back to it regularly to learn the names. But I can assure you one thing, no one will understand me when I'll say the names the right way yet I'll feel privileged.
Great job Max. Very insightful video. I would say that I have been pronouncing about 90% of the items in your list correctly, but it was wonderful to hear a native German speaker show us the correct pronunciations. Keep up the good work.
Thank you Max. Excellent work and channel. As a fellow German speaker I have learnt to ignore a lack of correct pronunciation within the English speaking community. It was a pleasure to hear the brand names so well spoken.
I don’t mind knowing the correct pronunciations of these brand names, but it’s also ok for yourself, as the content creator, to pronounce them as you feel most comfortable. If someone doesn’t like something you made, they don’t have to follow or view your content. Many can’t pronounce Nikon in its native Japanese pronunciation, either. Yet, no one ever feels the need to address it somehow. Because it doesn’t matter.
Totally agree with you. Many North American people pronounce Nikon, Canon, bokeh, .....not in Japanese way. As long as we know what they are talking about, we feel OK !
I think the Nikon pronunciation has been addressed every now and then. However, I think this is a different point. It's understandable if non native speakers pronounce something incorrectly. The criticism here was that a native German speaker is intentionally mispronouncing German words. In his defense, though, going out of ones way to correctly pronounce words in their original language does make one seem like a pompous douchebag. I'm multi-lingual but I still will change the pronunciation of certain words to adapt to whichever language I'm speaking.
@@canadachan2000 Maybe I’m thin skinned. Bokeh and Nikon pronounced incorrectly wind me up. If I’m not sure how to pronounce a word I usually try to find out. I was pronouncing Rollei incorrectly until a German native speaker politely corrected me.
“Nikon” (as documented in Robert Rotoloni's books) and “Canon” (as documented in Peter Dechert's) both were names chosen specifically to appeal to English-speakers. “Canon,” in fact, isn't a Japanese word at all - it is an English word meaning a universally-recognized standard, and was chosen because the company's officers realized that the original name, “Kwanon” (Buddhist goddess of mercy and harmony) would be too obscure for world markets. Nippon Kogaku released its Nikon camera when Japan was under post-World War II occupation by the United States, and the military occupation authorities - whose approval was needed for production - wanted to make sure the new camera would be accepted in America, since Japan's economy was still recovering and would not have been able to provide sufficient domestic sales for a successful product. So, I think US English pronunciations of both names are entirely appropriate! (Fun fact about “bokeh” - I can't find the reference now, but back when Japanese photo writers first began to use this term to describe subjective differences in out-of-focus image quality, I read that they had made it up as a “Japanized” version of “bouquet,” as used by wine writers to discuss the aroma of various wines!)
This is great. I'm also reminded of how different local advertising agencies can affect pronunciation. Here in Australia the 'official' way Hyundai is pronounced (based on their ads) is different to the 'official' way it is pronounced in the USA.
Thank you for being gentle with us wayward anglo-saxons! Personally I'm in the habit of paying attention to original pronunciations, but you certainly corrected me on a couple. Next, we need a Japanese version of this same topic! (Bokeh: BO-keh, 'keh' like the start of 'kettle', not 'caper'...)
Even as a native German speaker, I noticed I've been pronouncing Voigtländer wrong all the time until now :D Very gentle how you approached a harsh comment like that, thanks a lot for the clarification!
Thanks for taking the time to share the German pronunciation of camera products. However, what it is more remarkable for me is that a young person like you knows how to and still uses a typewriter. Hats off to you!
Thank you for this video and your intention that motivated it. I've been one of your viewers for nearly two years now and, as a native Anglophone offspring of German immigrants to Canada, I appreciate your photographic content and communicative skills, including your excellent English pronunciation. In our occasional visits to the USA, we encounter local variants in pronunciation e.g., "Concurred" for Concord, and "Charlievoy" for Charlevoix. My attitude being "when in Rome, be Roman", we adopt the local variant rather than insist on the 'proper' pronunciation. Your video will inform and educate the receptive. As a retired teacher, I learned the patience in the Confucian maxim, "When the pupil is ready, the master will appear." Well done and carry on.
Love your video, very funny. The guy who complained about your pronounciation of German lens manufacturer names clearly has never lived in another country, anywhere in the world, and experienced that other people's languages do not always allow for the correct enunciation of foreign language words, wherefore "mistakes" or adjustments are made. As someone who speaks seven languages, has lived in many countries and worked in many more countries around the world, I've learned that we need to be a bit more tolerant. Keep up your good work with your videos! They are always entertaining.
@Pete Melon To consider an attitude elegant or not elegant has nothing to do with offense. One person has many ways to say something or give a feedback. The non-gentleman in our story did not offend me or our show host: he simply expressed his good idea in a non elegant way. How so? By calling the way he pronounces German names laughable (lächerlich. I dont find ridiculous a good translation since ridiculous has been softened in spoken English). I could go on and on but nah.
It’s a treat to see a nice old typewriter. I have a reputation amongst my friends as being very slow to adopt to new technologies. I bought my first computer 3 1/2 years ago. Then they are surprised to see me using a computer keyboard proficiently. Why? Because back in high school (in the mid 70s) I took a TYPING class.
Hi, this episode made me smile... I was reminded of a novel by C.S. Forester. In that book, a British naval vessel sails along the coast of France in the days of the napoleonic wars. Lieutenant Bush reports the ship´s position to Captain Hornblower and absolutely massacres the good name of a French island in the process. Hornblower is tempted to mock Bush for his lack of pronounciation skills but concludes that ultimately it is much more important that everyone on board has the same idea of where the ship is than the same idea of French pronounciation. The same principle applies here. It is completely immaterial if you adore a Roll I flex or a Roll Y flex, as long as you make sure your audience understands what you’re on about. However, I think you have dealt with this in the best possible way, ich ziehe meinen Hut vor Ihnen! Chapeau! Keep up the great work!
Hello Max, as a native English speaker I'd like to congratulate you on your English language channel. Having worked in Zurich for a number of years, I must confess that my Swiss-German is not very good. However as an English native don't forget the rather unfortunate issue with American's etc attempting to speak and write English...You can't watch TV/Hollywood without hearing my own language destroyed by our friends across the Atlantic !!!
I love languages, and I'm glad to find out that I've been pronouncing all of these correctly (except for Voigtländer) all along, even though I haven't learned any German (yet). Hats off to you for taking feedback in a positive way, even if it came to you in the form of a rude comment 👍🏻. And to anyone else that might read this... Please be kind to creators like this guy :) he makes amazing content, so if you take the time to give him feedback you might as well do the effort to be polite 💫 Edit: if you were to make a separate channel teaching German you'd probably get a TON of subscribers, I'd watch that for sure 👍🏻
I have to admit, i am quite fluent German speaker but my pronunciation of Voigtlaender had been all wrong until I watched your video. You never stop to learn.
The funny thing is, because there are so many english videos about photography and so few german videos, some native germans start to pronounce the old german brands in the english way… :) I welcome this video about the preservation of the language diversity…
Sorry the person commenting was less than kind. This video is indeed interesting. I really enjoy hearing how different languages pronounce their words. I guess my family likes languages. My son learned French then moved to France. My niece learned German and spent a year in Austria. Languages and correct pronunciation is indeed interesting. Thanks so much for a very fascinating video.
Soy argentino y en español se pronuncia mucho más parecido al alemán que al inglés. Muchas gracias por hacerme saber la correcta pronunciación de estas preciadas obras de arte.
Thank you very much for this video! Indeed, I learned a lot from it, and I will try to pronounce these names as accurately as I can. I also especially appreciate your taking the viewer's comment in such a constructive fashion and turning into something valuable for everyone! Huge respect!
I am English and I speak,some French and German and a little Italian.I did find this useful to help me improve my german a little. But I think the suggestion by the complainant should have been more politely made. Thank you Anolog insights for all your hard work and giving us interesting videos to watch.
I am from a weird part of the United States, called Appalachia. With that, I have a very distinct accent. I routinely get criticism on my channel for the way the I pronounce things. It is very hurtful. Love your channel, and love your work. Keep on keepin’ on!
Good job taking an Internet Troll serious! As a Dane I enjoy several German speaking channels. I have been looking on TV from Germany and been reading GermaE since I was a little boy - so I don't have any problems with reading or listening to German. All the same an english speaking channel reach out to far more people. So keep up the good work and it's best done as You usually do - in well pronounced and perfectly understandable English :-)
If I would get a comment it would make me feel bad. You put a lot of time and effort into making these fantastic videos, and it shows. Then someone on the internet that you do not know comes along and says you're doing it all wrong for years. Whereas I probably would've deleted the comment, you made it into a first class video where everyone can learn from. As always thank you for taking the time to make these videos, and I hope to see you underneath the next one! Matthijs
Thank you very much for this and your other very well made and informative videos. I'm a native Texan but often visit family and friends in Germany. Photography terms are uncommon in our conversations so I really appreciate your clear explanations. We German-Texans respect your culture and are proud of our heritage.
Not to mention the sheer amount of people who mispronounce "Jena" when talking about lenses designated as "Carl Zeiss Jena" or simply "aus Jena". 99.99% will pronounce that J as in "John" or "Jennifer". (Look for the Wikipedia entry for "Jena" and listen to the correct German pronunciation there.) By the way, I found your channel while searching for information on the Fuji GS645 cameras. It's a great channel and I'll subscribe as soon as I finish writing this comment. Cheers!
it's so nice to finally be able to listen to German pronunciations from this channel! I've long been waiting for the German sound reveal and I'm now very satisfied 😁
Max-- Love your channel. As an English speaker who studied in Germany and one who collects Exakta/Ihagee, Praktika and Voigtlander, I appreciated your brushing up my pronounciation. If you ever give up photography, you can definitely qualify to teach German to foreigners. Maybe I can hook you up with Goethe-Institut. Herzlichen Gluckwunsche!
Very very educational and solved my burning German pronunciation questions for years. Now I have to practice to properly pronounce Voigtländer. DANKE!!
I studied German for 2 years in High School back in the 80’s. I tried each one before Max gave the correct pronunciation and got about 3/4 of them right. Frau Carmody, my teacher, would be proud! The Latin-inspired names were the ones I found the most difficult. Danke Max!
Thanks! As a student of French my whole life, it's hilarious to hear Angénieux pronounced: "On jeh noo" hahaha It's hard for folks to do it, but I'm a violinist first, so I'm happy to find the right way here for Voigtländer! I still can't do Töd und Verklärung (Richard Strauss) to any German's satisfaction. Kreuznach was easy because Beethoven's Kreutzer Sonata
Very well done and an excellent reference of German film photography names that are still so famous yet hard to pronounce for us English speakers! Very much appreciate this video (and the classic typewriter presentation)!
First and foremost, I thoroughly enjoy both the sophistication and 'insights' that I gain from this channel. Of course my favorite videos are those that review items that I either own or have an express interest in owning. To date your Leica Elmarit M 28mm f2.8 Asph lens review is my absolute favorite video. And this video ranks as my new second favorite video. I regret that the commenters views may have been upsetting to you but I value their comments and even more, your willingness to respond with this video. I am an American living and working in Japan. My first plunge into photography was with Nikon. I, like most Americans was saying the word wrong for years. It would have remained that way if a friend from Japan hadn't taken time to point out my error. We should never be afraid of learning and education. The only way out of darkness is the light. I would like to personally thank you, Jules, and Greg for exceptionally well produced and informative videos. Looking forward to your next production. Maybe the newly rebooted Noctiux M 50mm f/1.2 Asph lens. Continued happiness and success to you and yours. Chaps
Very well done and an excellent reference of German film photography names that are still so famous yet hard to pronounce for us English speakers! Very much appreciate this video (and the classic typewriter presentation)! Vielen Dank!
Teaching native English speakers how to pronounce things correctly is pretty much impossible. As a native Norwegian speaker, I speak from experience😄 I mean we are talking about a people who make up their own names for cities and countries rather than learning how it's actually pronounced! I had German in school and much prefer pronouncing these names correctly, but English speakers will typically not understand what you mean if you for instance say "Voigtländer" in German, so I just give up😂
Learned last week the right pronunciation of Voigtlander, no one will understand me here in France if I say it the correct way . Their answer will be : - you speak German? - no. - then why being a snob and pronouncing it like Germans?
Hehe - brilliant - as a native English language speaker I wholly agree with you - beats the hell out of me why pronouns can't be the same the world over. Trouble is, in the UK, if you pronounce a pronoun correctly it is often seen as pretentious and laughed at. Sigh...
Don't know about Norwegians, but Germans have their own names for foreign countries and cities as well. Regarding proper nouns, English as a foreign language is an exception anyway because it's a universal language. Germans might tend to pronounce English names properly, but not so much the names in other languages.
@@Rob.S.42 In Norwegian, we don't actually have our own names for foreign cities. Sometimes countries, but just a direct translation of the name. For instance "Deutschland" is "Tyskland" in Norwegian, but that's just a direct translation of the word "Deutschland". The cities are pronounced more or less like in German. So no made up names here :-) I've never understood the point anyway, to me it's far easier to say "Köln" than "Cologne"!
@@thedondeluxe6941 You just made me realize that Cologne isn't the true name, that "gne" is a french thing, always took it for granted that it was the real name. In Belgium near north France they change the french towns names too so if you're french and you go there you better know your town's name if you want to get back home.
Hallo Max, kurz und knapp: eine tolle Antwort auf einen Kommentar, der zwar zu einem gewissen Teil berechtigt, aber wirklich alles andere als konstruktiv formuliert war. Man könnte meinen man mochte mit diesem Kommentar einen kleinen Seitenhieb in einer thematischen Nebensächlichkeit verpacken. Nevertheless: well played.
I must say that I love your channel and your insights. Thank you,Jules and your team for all your hard work. Your reviews have reinforced my love for classic German cameras including some that would be otherwise forgotten. As an aside… your voice is mesmerizing, who cares about the pronunciation? I certainly don’t! Keep up the good work! 😇
Thanks for this, Max. This was really interesting to listen to, and I appreciate your humble response to such a not-so-nice comment. As a linguist, I do wonder what the angry German native hopes to accomplish by teaching English speakers the German pronunciation of those names -- in most cases, the native English speakers will not practice enough to actually say the names correctly. They will only make a poor approximation of the German sounds. In other words, instead of saying those names in good English, the English speakers will instead learn to say them in bad German. Is that progress? I wonder. Thanks, again!
Who said that the user was angry? Justified criticism is crucial and helps(!). One doesn't need to be angry in order to voice criticism. And one also doesn't need to apologize for mistakes of other people. So many people are not able to take criticism.
Max, thank you for taking the time to address one of your viewer dissatisfaction with the proper German pronunciation in regards to our love for all things related to photography. It’s refreshing to hear the correct pronunciation. Regardless, your research, preparation, presentation, demonstration are all high quality & we all appreciate your (as well as all involved) output. Looking forward to seeing your future videos. ✌🏼
Hi Max, as an "Ausländer" in "Ba-Wü" I can say German is a beautiful language and I appreciate this video very much. You can be proud of the heritage and the technical advantages from the photography's German industry as well as the language. I understand what is the scope of your amazing channel, and the tone of the message you received is not the best, but I find really great that this gives you the opportunity for this video. Danke sehr für alles und Ich werde gerne Videos von die deutsche Unternehmensgeschichte sehen!. Grüße!
I don't think that there is anything wrong with the message. The user drew attention to a mistake. I don't think that the user needs to apologize for a mistake of someone else. Criticism is helpful or do all teachers have to apologize when they find a mistake?
As an American, I've worked very hard on my German language skills. I don't get to practice my German very often anymore, but the letter "r" almost always gives me away as an non native. Concerning your critic's comment, I wonder about the Du sagen? Is that no longer a faux pas? It used to be.
Dear Max, 228 comments within only 17 hours on a topic that is not vital for progress in photography shows what a nerve you have struck with your German lesson. You couldn't have been more creative and charming in implementing the crude criticism of your pronunciation. Simply brilliant. Still, a grain of criticism. As "Photography Journey" already noted, you forgot the Linhof Technika. A great camera. And it comes from your home town of Munich. As a German native speaker I enjoyed your video. I appreciate your enthusiasm and your humour paired with profound knowledge about photography. Please keep it up.
OMG thanks for the corrections. I speak both English and Chinese and I found out surprisingly Chinese did a lot better job in literal translation these German words with regards of keeping it's original pronunciation.
The Chinese translations, especially those translated decades ago, usually come directly from the original languages. However some recent translations come from English, so there has been a fierce battle on the versions of translations for a long time. Also, it seems to me that the Chinese language has more tones compared with English though (我记得张公子写过好多篇文章讨论了这些问题lol
Thank you, I have many German cameras and lenses. I have long wondered what the correct pronounciations should be. This is an enjoyable and useful video.
Many years ago, Photography magazines ran proper pronunciation guides for German and Japanese camera company names. Applying German pronunciation of "Zeiss Ikon" to products made by Nippon Kogaku resulted in "NEYE-kawn." (It's been "NIH-kone," if you read the Japanese characters.)
I think this is a wonderful video. It was quite educational to hear the German pronunciation of these cameras and lenses. Many sound incredibly elegant in German. Look, in world where Nikon is pronounced radically different, and actually marketed under different pronunciations depending on region, I think you are doing just fine. Love the channel.
Hi Max, I'm glad you choosed this theme to make a video. The history and origin of the equipment is always important and a very interesting subject, in terms of photographic culture, To me, that are not natural from any English-speaking country, I accept, I live very well and, even thanks, that the world works and communicates on a almost universal language, a role that fell to the English language. This makes life a lot easier to everyone and allows the world to appreciate, for example, Analog Insights. Therefore, I agree that it is important and interesting, to know how to pronounce correctly in the language of origin of your cult stuff but, after that, it is advisable to use the universal terms by which, in the rest of the whole globe, they are recognized. One more excellent and interesting video, which was a pleasure to watch. Cheers
Excellent video, congrats Max. Please disregard the offensive comments on pronounce... I mean does anyone pronounce foreign names correctly? It's part of the charm. Thanks to both on the amazing channel
As a native German speaker I can confirm that Max’ pronunciation of German names is flawless. This video can be used as a reference 😀😂😀
I've studied German and I was super confused by some english pronunciations in a few videos, jajaja
Well, it sounds like this dude is a very native German also!
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this is wonderful! I actually got back into film photography in 2011 while living in Germany… with a Voigtländer Bessa 6x9!
As a photographer named Haisch who uses Leica, Zeiss, and Voigtlander equipment, this video was very appreciated.
You typed everything on an American typewriter. Next time use an Adler bitte ;)
Haha.
Realy stylish would be a Hermes Baby - the one Walter Faber used. :-)
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As a sensitive person you are already doing a marvellous and courageous thing by putting yourself out there on such a public forum. You do such good work (all three of you) and by pronouncing names in ways that are familiar to ‘English’ ears shows to me that you are making an effort to be more accessible and understandable to us. I prefer to pronounce names in their native form, but I am not going to pronounce everything correctly in every situation as I may simply come across as pretentious. Yet again, I have learned something from your channel. Thank you.
Good job Max and that's a class act of you to simply not delete his comment in disgust. It can be a turn off when you work hard on a video and someone ignores all the good things and points out mistakes. Few years ago I did a review of the Mir 37 mm lens and talking about its history I mentioned it got a prize in the Brussels world's Fair in Germany. Every now and then someone will comment and remind me Brussels is not in Germany LOL. Carry on.
@Pete Melon it's a double edged sword as you're also allowing evil to speak and spread hatred
@@catmatism So true,slurs,lies,bigotry and hatred spread by those who claim censorship.
Disgust? What is wrong with this world? Criticism is helpful and apparently the user was totally right. It would have been childish, if he deleted the comment.
One person may not like your German pronunciation, Max, but I have to say how much I appreciate your flawless English! I've been trying to learn German online for nearly two years and really appreciate how much work is involved in learning a second language. Many thanks to you, Greg and Jules for an excellent channel.
Me too!
Awesome. You really show the difference between a cultural men and a snob.
A great lesson in how to turn around a negative experience or emotion into something positive. Very educational, in more ways than one, so thank you. I also love the creative use of the typewriter - very 'analog'.
During a pandemic someone really wrote such a comment? Most Non-Spanish speaking people can't even pronounce the most basic Spanish words ie tortilla, taco, burrito accurately. So, please be nice if people don't pronounce Schneider Kreuznach correctly. 🤗 Love ❤️ your channel!! Ignore the stiffs.
now everybody toghether! "Noctilux, Summilux, Summicron, Summaron, Elmar, Elmarit, Thambar, Telyt!"
Brilliant!
I have a zoomikron ;)
Praktica Prakticas Prakticamus
"und" before the Telyt. You cannot exclude the correct phrase for inclusion.
Hektor, Colorplan, Focotar, Pradovit, Focomat... 🙂
Funny touch and even funnier to see that in your introduction, it is still visible that you were upset by this comment. The resulted video is usually class and educational, you nailed it :)
As a Dutchman, I understand only too well how easy it is to ‘Englify’ names from your native language, although you know it sounds silly even to your own ears. It’s just how the mind and the mouth work together. It requires effort to - temporarily - switch from English back to Dutch and then go back to English again. Not impossible, but not the ‘natural’ thing to do either. I wonder how mr. Gattaldo feels about this, when he speaks English, or any other foreign language. That being said, I do understand his point of view. A matter of pride I suppose. And sure, if only looking at Germany’s contribution to the photographic industry, you guys have a lot to be proud of!
You handled mr. Gattaldo’s comment like a gentleman (as expected), the result being an unusual but again educational, enjoyable and much appreciated video. 😉
'Englify' is not a real word; you should have used 'Anglicize' (spelling as listed in the Oxford English Dictionary). Isn't this fun? I agree with all your comments.
@@kenhosie4533 you are right, I made it up for the occasion (hence the inverted commas). Did not know the word Anglicize, so I learnt something new - thank you so much! And, your encouragement is much appreciated. 👍🏻
@@erikvalkman9640 Erik, in my experience Dutch people speak better English than many Brits and we Brits must be the worlds worst for not speaking other languages. Stay safe
I totally agree with the critic if not his manner of criticising. It's great to hear these names pronounced as they should be. I especially appreciated Voigtländer, my first ever camera which I used to pronounce VOYTLANDER until I studied German and then thought it was more like FERTLENDER. Also, I always said PrakTIKA so I'm pleased, now to correct this as PRAKtika.So, now I know. Danke sehr, Max. By the way, you missed Carl Zeiss JENA. I often hear the 'J' pronounced as in English 'jam' rather than the 'Y' in 'You' and that always really grates with me.
I don't think any of these brands is that difficult for an English speaker to pronounce with a bit of practice. After all, we English-speaking natives expect non-native speakers to pronounce our brands correctly.
Can you mispronounce them in French in your next video? Asking for a French friend ;-)
Angénieux, Kinoptik Apochromat :)
I am looking forward to the correct pronunciation of the other half of photography - Japanese. Bokeh, Canon, Nikon (everyone has their own version), Fuji et al... I am sure Japanese wince in pain at the way their language is mangled.
@@quentinnewark2745 An interesting thing about Nikon is that the company has stated that all regional pronunciations of 'Nikon' are correct; there is no one 'proper' pronunciation. I wonder if any other companies take this approach?
@@andreweckert3128 they began as tried Joico and then Nikkor as simpler trading name (derived from Ni-KKK with added 'or'). They made binoculars, microscopes and lenses initially. (The new modern Japanese navy wanted binoculars as good as the Bausch & Lomb and Zeiss ones used by the Western navies they had trained with... NKKK obliged!) Then they tried Nikkon (with two 'k's!!) for small cameras... probably deliberately eliding with German giant Zeiss and its Ikon cameras. At some point the second 'k' got dropped (making it definitely like Ikon!). Since Nikon is made up, and not a real word, there genuinely is no correct pronunciation!!! I think the idea of saying each regional pronunciation is ok is a good idea. In UK we tend to say N-eye-kon, and in USA N-ee-kon.
@@quentinnewark2745 in the UK they say Nik-kkon and Few-gee which sounds weird to American ears. Canon and Panasonic are spared.
Wunderbar! I took 1 year of German in high school in 1984-85. There is musical quality to German well spoken. Moreover, I loved hearing these beloved camera names so well pronounced by you here. Obviously, as an American my pronunciations will retain their American flavor. Well done and keep up the good work. Do not be discouraged. Danke schön!
Love keeping it "analog" with your manual typewriter! Nice touch, Max!
What a great video! I own a Minox and have been mispronouncing its name for years!
As a native English speaker with no ability to speak German (except perhaps to ask for a beer and say "thank you" 😉) I wouldn't dare to comment on correct German pronunciation. However, as someone who speaks English with a classic English accent I must say that Max's English grammar, range of vocabulary, and accuracy of pronunciation is absolutely superb. Many native English speakers do not speak English as beautifully as he does!
Thank you for your kind words. This means a lot to me. 🙏🏻
Max,
Your videos are exquisitely filmed and super informative, please relay to your ‘doubter’ that we, your viewers, are not in anyway in need of a pronunciation lesson and suggest he directs his attentions in an altogether different direction.
Keep on doing what you do so well and thank you!
As an American I cannot judge your German pronunciations , but your English is better than many people in the United States. I also very much appreciate your channel, and the time and effort you must put into it.
Thank you for your kind words and feedback. I really appreciate it.
As another American, I heartily agree.
Max, it was lovely to hear these names pronounced in German, in your mellifluous baritone ; ) I would imagine that your audience is composed of folks who do in fact appreciate the beauty of different languages, even if those of us who do not speak German decline to adopt the correct pronunciation of these names so as not to appear as pretentious douchebags (I'm a musician and intentionally do not pronounce "Bach" correctly, precisely to avoid getting punched in the face). Let us thank your subscriber for prompting this offering from you; and let us extend to them the benefit of the doubt that their frustration comes from a noble place. Well-conceived video, by the way!
You forgot one of my cameras Max, Linhof. I hope the guy who complained about the pronunciation never visits Mexico because we pronounce german cameras in Spanish haha
Your work here is much appreciated no matter how you pronounce the names. Thank you!
Brilliant!! Thank you for educating us! This was certainly needed.
And yes, liked the way light enters into the frame through your right shoulder! 😀
At work, I will usually see all of these names throughout any given week. It's wonderful to now know how to pronounce them correctly. Thank You!
Excellent video, I remember my car enthusiast brother being let down by knowing what BMW stood for when we visited in Munich. Bavarian Motor Works! I felt the opposite as Bavaria is a beautiful and magical place.
Thanks for that, it's beautiful to listen to all the german names of the brands. Reminds me of my teen years. Danke schön.
Awesome! Love this. As a native English speaker I love learning the correct pronunciations.
I truly enjoyed this episode, just discovered your channel with the MA episode.
I'm french, we are generally bad at languages and pronunciation (though I'm making efforts in all the languages I speak), and last week I stumbled on a video of a Voigtlander lens. The guy was fluent in english but was pronouncing Voigtlander strangely yet beautifully. At least I thought it was strange but after a few researches, I found he was German native and pronouncing it the right way. It was a nice little discovery because the native pronunciation has more charm to it.
So stumbling on your video is a real pleasure. I'm gonna get back to it regularly to learn the names. But I can assure you one thing, no one will understand me when I'll say the names the right way yet I'll feel privileged.
Excellent Max, thank you. Especially for Voigtländer, one of my favourite makers.
Great job Max. Very insightful video. I would say that I have been pronouncing about 90% of the items in your list correctly, but it was wonderful to hear a native German speaker show us the correct pronunciations. Keep up the good work.
Thank you Max. Excellent work and channel. As a fellow German speaker I have learnt to ignore a lack of correct pronunciation within the English speaking community. It was a pleasure to hear the brand names so well spoken.
Your content is amazing, been following you for along time, whatever language you choose. Awesome language tutorial, enjoyed this very much.
Thank you. This is really useful for German cameras collectors.
I don’t mind knowing the correct pronunciations of these brand names, but it’s also ok for yourself, as the content creator, to pronounce them as you feel most comfortable. If someone doesn’t like something you made, they don’t have to follow or view your content.
Many can’t pronounce Nikon in its native Japanese pronunciation, either. Yet, no one ever feels the need to address it somehow. Because it doesn’t matter.
Totally agree with you. Many North American people pronounce Nikon, Canon, bokeh, .....not in Japanese way. As long as we know what they are talking about, we feel OK !
I think the Nikon pronunciation has been addressed every now and then. However, I think this is a different point. It's understandable if non native speakers pronounce something incorrectly. The criticism here was that a native German speaker is intentionally mispronouncing German words. In his defense, though, going out of ones way to correctly pronounce words in their original language does make one seem like a pompous douchebag. I'm multi-lingual but I still will change the pronunciation of certain words to adapt to whichever language I'm speaking.
@@canadachan2000 Maybe I’m thin skinned. Bokeh and Nikon pronounced incorrectly wind me up. If I’m not sure how to pronounce a word I usually try to find out. I was pronouncing Rollei incorrectly until a German native speaker politely corrected me.
That person who wrote that comment had some form of superiority complex or probably is some old prick who should lay off UA-cam.
“Nikon” (as documented in Robert Rotoloni's books) and “Canon” (as documented in Peter Dechert's) both were names chosen specifically to appeal to English-speakers. “Canon,” in fact, isn't a Japanese word at all - it is an English word meaning a universally-recognized standard, and was chosen because the company's officers realized that the original name, “Kwanon” (Buddhist goddess of mercy and harmony) would be too obscure for world markets. Nippon Kogaku released its Nikon camera when Japan was under post-World War II occupation by the United States, and the military occupation authorities - whose approval was needed for production - wanted to make sure the new camera would be accepted in America, since Japan's economy was still recovering and would not have been able to provide sufficient domestic sales for a successful product. So, I think US English pronunciations of both names are entirely appropriate!
(Fun fact about “bokeh” - I can't find the reference now, but back when Japanese photo writers first began to use this term to describe subjective differences in out-of-focus image quality, I read that they had made it up as a “Japanized” version of “bouquet,” as used by wine writers to discuss the aroma of various wines!)
This is great. I'm also reminded of how different local advertising agencies can affect pronunciation. Here in Australia the 'official' way Hyundai is pronounced (based on their ads) is different to the 'official' way it is pronounced in the USA.
Thank you for being gentle with us wayward anglo-saxons! Personally I'm in the habit of paying attention to original pronunciations, but you certainly corrected me on a couple. Next, we need a Japanese version of this same topic! (Bokeh: BO-keh, 'keh' like the start of 'kettle', not 'caper'...)
Even as a native German speaker, I noticed I've been pronouncing Voigtländer wrong all the time until now :D
Very gentle how you approached a harsh comment like that, thanks a lot for the clarification!
Thanks for taking the time to share the German pronunciation of camera products. However, what it is more remarkable for me is that a young person like you knows how to and still uses a typewriter. Hats off to you!
Love the channel. Hugely enjoyable and informative, and now it’s managed to even improve my faltering German. More please.
Thank you for this video and your intention that motivated it. I've been one of your viewers for nearly two years now and, as a native Anglophone offspring of German immigrants to Canada, I appreciate your photographic content and communicative skills, including your excellent English pronunciation. In our occasional visits to the USA, we encounter local variants in pronunciation e.g., "Concurred" for Concord, and "Charlievoy" for Charlevoix. My attitude being "when in Rome, be Roman", we adopt the local variant rather than insist on the 'proper' pronunciation. Your video will inform and educate the receptive. As a retired teacher, I learned the patience in the Confucian maxim, "When the pupil is ready, the master will appear." Well done and carry on.
Dicker Daumen nach oben!!! Fantastische Antwort auf so eine e-Mail!
Chapeau!
As always very interesting and enlightening video ! Thanks
Man, I'm now realising I have been butchering several of those brands and names wrong. I'll strive to do better in the future. Thank you for this!
Love your video, very funny. The guy who complained about your pronounciation of German lens manufacturer names clearly has never lived in another country, anywhere in the world, and experienced that other people's languages do not always allow for the correct enunciation of foreign language words, wherefore "mistakes" or adjustments are made. As someone who speaks seven languages, has lived in many countries and worked in many more countries around the world, I've learned that we need to be a bit more tolerant. Keep up your good work with your videos! They are always entertaining.
Dignified, educational, lifting the tone with a roll call of important-to-all-of-us German names and a bit of German history. Loved it.
Thank you for the kind feedback. I really appreciate it.
Very cool, Max. Well done for turning what most people would have just seen as a snarky comment into a really unique and helpful video.
You are a gentleman. Very different from the other person who sent you that non-elegant comment.
@Pete Melon who is offended?
@Pete Melon No. Sorry to disappoint you.
@Pete Melon To consider an attitude elegant or not elegant has nothing to do with offense. One person has many ways to say something or give a feedback. The non-gentleman in our story did not offend me or our show host: he simply expressed his good idea in a non elegant way. How so? By calling the way he pronounces German names laughable (lächerlich. I dont find ridiculous a good translation since ridiculous has been softened in spoken English). I could go on and on but nah.
It’s a treat to see a nice old typewriter. I have a reputation amongst my friends as being very slow to adopt to new technologies. I bought my first computer 3 1/2 years ago. Then they are surprised to see me using a computer keyboard proficiently. Why? Because back in high school (in the mid 70s) I took a TYPING class.
Hi, this episode made me smile... I was reminded of a novel by C.S. Forester. In that book, a British naval vessel sails along the coast of France in the days of the napoleonic wars. Lieutenant Bush reports the ship´s position to Captain Hornblower and absolutely massacres the good name of a French island in the process. Hornblower is tempted to mock Bush for his lack of pronounciation skills but concludes that ultimately it is much more important that everyone on board has the same idea of where the ship is than the same idea of French pronounciation. The same principle applies here. It is completely immaterial if you adore a Roll I flex or a Roll Y flex, as long as you make sure your audience understands what you’re on about. However, I think you have dealt with this in the best possible way, ich ziehe meinen Hut vor Ihnen! Chapeau! Keep up the great work!
Hello Max, as a native English speaker I'd like to congratulate you on your English language channel. Having worked in Zurich for a number of years, I must confess that my Swiss-German is not very good. However as an English native don't forget the rather unfortunate issue with American's etc attempting to speak and write English...You can't watch TV/Hollywood without hearing my own language destroyed by our friends across the Atlantic !!!
As I'm learning German I really liked this! Wunderbar!
I love languages, and I'm glad to find out that I've been pronouncing all of these correctly (except for Voigtländer) all along, even though I haven't learned any German (yet).
Hats off to you for taking feedback in a positive way, even if it came to you in the form of a rude comment 👍🏻. And to anyone else that might read this... Please be kind to creators like this guy :) he makes amazing content, so if you take the time to give him feedback you might as well do the effort to be polite 💫
Edit: if you were to make a separate channel teaching German you'd probably get a TON of subscribers, I'd watch that for sure 👍🏻
Excellent start, please add Kilfitt with all their lens names.
I have to admit, i am quite fluent German speaker but my pronunciation of Voigtlaender had been all wrong until I watched your video. You never stop to learn.
The funny thing is, because there are so many english videos about photography and so few german videos, some native germans start to pronounce the old german brands in the english way… :) I welcome this video about the preservation of the language diversity…
Voigtlander's and Rollei's pronunciation were especially surprising, but enjoyable! Thanks!
Sorry the person commenting was less than kind. This video is indeed interesting. I really enjoy hearing how different languages pronounce their words. I guess my family likes languages. My son learned French then moved to France. My niece learned German and spent a year in Austria. Languages and correct pronunciation is indeed interesting. Thanks so much for a very fascinating video.
Soy argentino y en español se pronuncia mucho más parecido al alemán que al inglés. Muchas gracias por hacerme saber la correcta pronunciación de estas preciadas obras de arte.
Very cool video lads. It’s actually nice to hear the German. Also highlights the incredible contribution to photography from Germany.
Thank you very much for this video! Indeed, I learned a lot from it, and I will try to pronounce these names as accurately as I can.
I also especially appreciate your taking the viewer's comment in such a constructive fashion and turning into something valuable for everyone! Huge respect!
Thank you for taking the time to make this video, there are nit pickers in every thing. I really enjoy your photos, keep up the good work.
I am English and I speak,some French and German and a little Italian.I did find this useful to help me improve my german a little.
But I think the suggestion by the complainant should have been more politely made.
Thank you Anolog insights for all your hard work and giving us interesting videos to watch.
I am from a weird part of the United States, called Appalachia. With that, I have a very distinct accent. I routinely get criticism on my channel for the way the I pronounce things. It is very hurtful. Love your channel, and love your work. Keep on keepin’ on!
Good job taking an Internet Troll serious! As a Dane I enjoy several German speaking channels. I have been looking on TV from Germany and been reading GermaE since I was a little boy - so I don't have any problems with reading or listening to German. All the same an english speaking channel reach out to far more people. So keep up the good work and it's best done as You usually do - in well pronounced and perfectly understandable English :-)
If I would get a comment it would make me feel bad. You put a lot of time and effort into making these fantastic videos, and it shows. Then someone on the internet that you do not know comes along and says you're doing it all wrong for years. Whereas I probably would've deleted the comment, you made it into a first class video where everyone can learn from.
As always thank you for taking the time to make these videos, and I hope to see you underneath the next one!
Matthijs
Thanks so much for your kind feedback. I really appreciate it!
Thank you very much for this and your other very well made and informative videos. I'm a native Texan but often visit family and friends in Germany. Photography terms are uncommon in our conversations so I really appreciate your clear explanations. We German-Texans respect your culture and are proud of our heritage.
Voigtländer is really difficult. "oigt" is very rare in German. Its more commonly used as "Vogt" which means "advocate" in English.
I love that you use a schreibmaschine....... I also collect them.... so a fine Erika M, Supermetall, or Urania would do nicely
Not to mention the sheer amount of people who mispronounce "Jena" when talking about lenses designated as "Carl Zeiss Jena" or simply "aus Jena". 99.99% will pronounce that J as in "John" or "Jennifer". (Look for the Wikipedia entry for "Jena" and listen to the correct German pronunciation there.)
By the way, I found your channel while searching for information on the Fuji GS645 cameras. It's a great channel and I'll subscribe as soon as I finish writing this comment. Cheers!
always a joy to hear you speak，its a massage to the ear
it's so nice to finally be able to listen to German pronunciations from this channel! I've long been waiting for the German sound reveal and I'm now very satisfied 😁
Max-- Love your channel. As an English speaker who studied in Germany and one who collects Exakta/Ihagee, Praktika and Voigtlander, I appreciated your brushing up my pronounciation. If you ever give up photography, you can definitely qualify to teach German to foreigners. Maybe I can hook you up with Goethe-Institut. Herzlichen Gluckwunsche!
Love your channel Max, don't let haters bring you down. You do you
Very very educational and solved my burning German pronunciation questions for years. Now I have to practice to properly pronounce Voigtländer. DANKE!!
I studied German for 2 years in High School back in the 80’s. I tried each one before Max gave the correct pronunciation and got about 3/4 of them right. Frau Carmody, my teacher, would be proud! The Latin-inspired names were the ones I found the most difficult. Danke Max!
Thanks! As a student of French my whole life, it's hilarious to hear Angénieux pronounced: "On jeh noo" hahaha It's hard for folks to do it, but I'm a violinist first, so I'm happy to find the right way here for Voigtländer! I still can't do Töd und Verklärung (Richard Strauss) to any German's satisfaction. Kreuznach was easy because Beethoven's Kreutzer Sonata
Very well done and an excellent reference of German film photography names that are still so famous yet hard to pronounce for us English speakers! Very much appreciate this video (and the classic typewriter presentation)!
First and foremost, I thoroughly enjoy both the sophistication and 'insights' that I gain from this channel. Of course my favorite videos are those that review items that I either own or have an express interest in owning. To date your Leica Elmarit M 28mm f2.8 Asph lens review is my absolute favorite video. And this video ranks as my new second favorite video. I regret that the commenters views may have been upsetting to you but I value their comments and even more, your willingness to respond with this video. I am an American living and working in Japan. My first plunge into photography was with Nikon. I, like most Americans was saying the word wrong for years. It would have remained that way if a friend from Japan hadn't taken time to point out my error. We should never be afraid of learning and education. The only way out of darkness is the light. I would like to personally thank you, Jules, and Greg for exceptionally well produced and informative videos. Looking forward to your next production. Maybe the newly rebooted Noctiux M 50mm f/1.2 Asph lens. Continued happiness and success to you and yours. Chaps
Very well done and an excellent reference of German film photography names that are still so famous yet hard to pronounce for us English speakers! Very much appreciate this video (and the classic typewriter presentation)! Vielen Dank!
Teaching native English speakers how to pronounce things correctly is pretty much impossible. As a native Norwegian speaker, I speak from experience😄 I mean we are talking about a people who make up their own names for cities and countries rather than learning how it's actually pronounced!
I had German in school and much prefer pronouncing these names correctly, but English speakers will typically not understand what you mean if you for instance say "Voigtländer" in German, so I just give up😂
Learned last week the right pronunciation of Voigtlander, no one will understand me here in France if I say it the correct way .
Their answer will be :
- you speak German?
- no.
- then why being a snob and pronouncing it like Germans?
Hehe - brilliant - as a native English language speaker I wholly agree with you - beats the hell out of me why pronouns can't be the same the world over. Trouble is, in the UK, if you pronounce a pronoun correctly it is often seen as pretentious and laughed at. Sigh...
Don't know about Norwegians, but Germans have their own names for foreign countries and cities as well. Regarding proper nouns, English as a foreign language is an exception anyway because it's a universal language. Germans might tend to pronounce English names properly, but not so much the names in other languages.
@@Rob.S.42 In Norwegian, we don't actually have our own names for foreign cities. Sometimes countries, but just a direct translation of the name. For instance "Deutschland" is "Tyskland" in Norwegian, but that's just a direct translation of the word "Deutschland". The cities are pronounced more or less like in German. So no made up names here :-)
I've never understood the point anyway, to me it's far easier to say "Köln" than "Cologne"!
@@thedondeluxe6941 You just made me realize that Cologne isn't the true name, that "gne" is a french thing, always took it for granted that it was the real name. In Belgium near north France they change the french towns names too so if you're french and you go there you better know your town's name if you want to get back home.
Hallo Max,
kurz und knapp: eine tolle Antwort auf einen Kommentar, der zwar zu einem gewissen Teil berechtigt, aber wirklich alles andere als konstruktiv formuliert war. Man könnte meinen man mochte mit diesem Kommentar einen kleinen Seitenhieb in einer thematischen Nebensächlichkeit verpacken.
Nevertheless: well played.
This is the new ASMR for some of us. My blood pressure has plummeted. Thank you.
I must say that I love your channel and your insights. Thank you,Jules and your team for all your hard work. Your reviews have reinforced my love for classic German cameras including some that would be otherwise forgotten. As an aside… your voice is mesmerizing, who cares about the pronunciation? I certainly don’t! Keep up the good work! 😇
Coming up: Apo-Lanthar, Revueflex, Steinheil, Braun, Leidolf, Contessa-Nettel, Jsolette, Ernemann-Werke AG, Optische Anstalt Goertz, Ihagee... 🤔
Locomekipkachellefantje
Thanks for this, Max. This was really interesting to listen to, and I appreciate your humble response to such a not-so-nice comment. As a linguist, I do wonder what the angry German native hopes to accomplish by teaching English speakers the German pronunciation of those names -- in most cases, the native English speakers will not practice enough to actually say the names correctly. They will only make a poor approximation of the German sounds. In other words, instead of saying those names in good English, the English speakers will instead learn to say them in bad German. Is that progress? I wonder. Thanks, again!
Who said that the user was angry? Justified criticism is crucial and helps(!). One doesn't need to be angry in order to voice criticism. And one also doesn't need to apologize for mistakes of other people. So many people are not able to take criticism.
Max, thank you for taking the time to address one of your viewer dissatisfaction with the proper German pronunciation in regards to our love for all things related to photography. It’s refreshing to hear the correct pronunciation. Regardless, your research, preparation, presentation, demonstration are all high quality & we all appreciate your (as well as all involved) output. Looking forward to seeing your future videos. ✌🏼
Toll gemacht! Danke! ... Und wo ist meine Erstkamera, die Pouva Start geblieben? :-) :-) Aber klar, kennen heute nur noch Insider und Museasten.
Enjoyed hearing them pronounced as intended. Thanks Max.
Hi Max, as an "Ausländer" in "Ba-Wü" I can say German is a beautiful language and I appreciate this video very much. You can be proud of the heritage and the technical advantages from the photography's German industry as well as the language. I understand what is the scope of your amazing channel, and the tone of the message you received is not the best, but I find really great that this gives you the opportunity for this video. Danke sehr für alles und Ich werde gerne Videos von die deutsche Unternehmensgeschichte sehen!. Grüße!
I don't think that there is anything wrong with the message. The user drew attention to a mistake. I don't think that the user needs to apologize for a mistake of someone else. Criticism is helpful or do all teachers have to apologize when they find a mistake?
Very cool! I've been taking German classes from an 89year old gentleman.
By the way --- thank you for all the work you put into your wonderful videos!
As an American, I've worked very hard on my German language skills. I don't get to practice my German very often anymore, but the letter "r" almost always gives me away as an non native.
Concerning your critic's comment, I wonder about the Du sagen? Is that no longer a faux pas? It used to be.
I appreciate your lesson is the clarification in the proper pronunciation of German camera company names. 👍🤩📷
Dear Max,
228 comments within only 17 hours on a topic that is not vital for progress in photography shows what a nerve you have struck with your German lesson. You couldn't have been more creative and charming in implementing the crude criticism of your pronunciation. Simply brilliant.
Still, a grain of criticism. As "Photography Journey" already noted, you forgot the Linhof Technika. A great camera. And it comes from your home town of Munich.
As a German native speaker I enjoyed your video. I appreciate your enthusiasm and your humour paired with profound knowledge about photography. Please keep it up.
Thanks for your kind comment. And yes, we feel a bit bad about forgetting to mention Linhof.
OMG thanks for the corrections. I speak both English and Chinese and I found out surprisingly Chinese did a lot better job in literal translation these German words with regards of keeping it's original pronunciation.
The Chinese translations, especially those translated decades ago, usually come directly from the original languages. However some recent translations come from English, so there has been a fierce battle on the versions of translations for a long time. Also, it seems to me that the Chinese language has more tones compared with English though (我记得张公子写过好多篇文章讨论了这些问题lol
@@chuanlu 哈哈 英雄所见略同
Please a leica M5 video !!!
Love your videos
Thank you, I have many German cameras and lenses. I have long wondered what the correct pronounciations should be. This is an enjoyable and useful video.
Many years ago, Photography magazines ran proper pronunciation guides for German and Japanese camera company names. Applying German pronunciation of "Zeiss Ikon" to products made by Nippon Kogaku resulted in "NEYE-kawn." (It's been "NIH-kone," if you read the Japanese characters.)
I think this is a wonderful video. It was quite educational to hear the German pronunciation of these cameras and lenses. Many sound incredibly elegant in German. Look, in world where Nikon is pronounced radically different, and actually marketed under different pronunciations depending on region, I think you are doing just fine. Love the channel.
Thank you for your kind and thoughtful comment. I really appreciate it. :)
Hi Max,
I'm glad you choosed this theme to make a video.
The history and origin of the equipment is always important and a very interesting subject, in terms of photographic culture,
To me, that are not natural from any English-speaking country, I accept, I live very well and, even thanks, that the world works and communicates on a almost universal language, a role that fell to the English language. This makes life a lot easier to everyone and allows the world to appreciate, for example, Analog Insights.
Therefore, I agree that it is important and interesting, to know how to pronounce correctly in the language of origin of your cult stuff but, after that, it is advisable to use the universal terms by which, in the rest of the whole globe, they are recognized.
One more excellent and interesting video, which was a pleasure to watch.
Cheers
Excellent video, congrats Max. Please disregard the offensive comments on pronounce... I mean does anyone pronounce foreign names correctly? It's part of the charm. Thanks to both on the amazing channel