The first 3Di Moulded Wave Sail - North sails
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- Using 'America's Cup' technology' NorthSails has started work on a 3Di moulded windsurfing sail!!!
We catch up with the main man at NorthSails Windsurfing - Raoul Joa and team rider Klaas Voget to get the scoop.
Warning: The sound at the start of the video has some interference (only until 1min)
Ben you seriously deserve more subs on your channels, keep it up!
I am currently studying material sciences and think about lighter windsurfing gear quite a lot. Thank you for sharing this with us. I've never really considered that windsurfing benefits form America's cup and was afraid that our sport might never get to its full potential because there is not enough money and demand for it...
Great to see someone actually involved and studying material sciences.
This "new" (its been going on for the past 10 years now) works for much larger surfaces and is negligeable on this surface scale compared with monofilm and panel cut sails.
Top end luxury with no real advantage other than that to sell mainstream goods.
Putting a mylar cut out window in the middle of this moulded sail can't help the shape can it and relative to the actual sail size its rendered the physical advantage useless.
WHY ON EARTH GO TO SO MUCH TROUBLE TO MAKE A LAMINATED ONE PIECE 3D SAIL ONLY TO CUT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF IT OUT AND SEW IN A FLAT PANEL OF MYLAR ?
thx ben for all vidz keep going !
Excellent. It'll be very light and very fast. Just watch it shrink, delaminate and go brittle in the sun (UV), not even mentioning being attacked by salt water. NOT a good idea to cut the laminated 3D sail to insert a mylar window without the same mechanical features as the laminate. In fact the mylar window is flat so it actually kills the 3D laminate shape right where it's the most needed.
Americas cup technology: They only use their sails for one season - they even have new sails per race.
Very deep pockets.
We use these 3D sails (one piece moulded) and materials on high end regatta sail boats at a very competitive level and they explode after 2 seasons intense use. They are fast and light but they don't last. Once re-inforced properly it won't be lighter, only better, more expensive and shorter lived than a technora sail and the gain vs actual surface is negligeable.
Good marketing again from NS and I suppose "the wheel turns" as they say and let the young come again with an already tried material and find the same faults.
Who erased the hard disk atb North Sails ? The marketing guys no doubt - bean counters that have to bring out something "new".
Hopefully they will develop it well. Amazing how Windsurfing sails have brought enormous advances to sailboats, now they should listen to sailboats experience (full circle) they are too top end and expensive. Reserved only for marketing purposes to sell mainstream models.
New technology is Technora for windsurfing sails. Strong, light, repairable, somewhat 'elastic' (just enough) and far more stable on the long run.
PS: Have North Sails been lying to me for all those years when I've been buying their 3D sails ? See link below.
www.sabatelli.it/windnews/test/1998/testapr98_1.htm
They developed the 3DL for windsurfing (much smaller moulds) and then applied it to sailboats now they're coming back to Windsurfing with the ONE PANEL 3D MOULD.
Beautiful marketing Language: Over Proportional ????? is in what way different from proportional ?
As I can remember, North Sails had already done a sail with this Kind of Technology (moulded sail), 20 year ago. I think it was called IQ 3D or Prisma... It was a race sail, 7m I think...
Prisma & IQ depending on the line and year. They made them in several sizes. I've just thrown out 9.5, 11.5 prismas that were still good but nobody wanted because too old ...
It is not only Severne who has membrane wave sail.
Avanti was the first to introduce membrane windsurf sails to the commercial marked and they have had wave sails since 2014
Oceanic had them back in the early 1990's. They did them in wave and slalom sails.
actually it is about time the Big Guys have put their tech at boats down to boards.
Embedded battens are not new - David Ezzy has had the "endo-batten" for years.
"3-d" shaping is North Sails jargon.
Again, Ezzy puts shape in a sail with seams as does Maui Sails, old style North, GA Sails, Severne Sails does, EVERYONE does it with seams.
Klaas Voget sailed Simmer Sails for a long time.
When I taught wndsrfng I loved the simple batten less learner sails.
I can't wait to try one of these things.
Ben - try some shirt collar mikes - really...
considering my neilpryde firefly from '08 lasted 10 years and i bought it used for 500. I don't think anybody would pay over 1000 bucks for a wave sail
looks Mike à HOOD kevlar sails I
was using in 1985 With a hifly 320!
I got one of those great sails
Curious as to what it would cost to repair a batten on one of those.
Obviously aesthetically it looks ugly but I am sure after these prototypes they will design them nicely. Also I see there are no windows so it's not transparent which again its a problem. It looks like a laser sail. But I suppose we prefer function over aesthetics and let's hope that it has a better feeling
No windows? How did you not see the Mylar window?
A very old idea. I proposed this when I was sponsored by North in about 1987 when I was using moulded 1 tack wing sails to race with.
The Wright Brothers said the same about the B2
Did he say the sail would cost 2000 EUR?
This is a prank or what!
don't they use wingsails on AC72?
quote "i dont' want to be rude.... ":)
Another excited German
its already old chalengersails hat this already in 2008
They have apparently never heard of Avanti Sails at North Sails. And Avanti Sails looks much nicer and even have windsurfing racesails. So nothing new under the windsurfing sun.
Volume is really up and down Ben. It's hard to listen to.
sorry... totally my fault!
Think you need to ask santa for some of those radio/body mic thingys. 😁 Cool vid though!
I vote for the lip mic :-D
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Nice new technology, but white sails look like sh.. They need color! Keep the video's coming 👍
Ben, I really enjoy your channel, but please get proper audio equipment.
slickvisualpoetry well.. I have spent a lot of my money on good mics and wireless equipment. Have you had bad sound this year? Pozo 50knots.. sound has been awesome. This video is pretty old now... and there was a loose connection... I’m pretty sure I put that in the description. It was either put it on like this.. or leave it off and no one would see it. As there was no opportunity to re-record it.
Windsurfing.TV true. I was just frustrated because I thought this sail looked really interesting. I realised later that it was an old film. Did you actually get to try one of these?
slickvisualpoetry I never sailed one.. but didn’t hear anything revolutionary about it.. but I don’t think it had much work.its pretty expensive technology!
What happened to this? It's 2020 now.
probably too expensive and not worth it
@FERNANDO MEDINA LEON thy took their time .
Make available the white ones! Don't come up with silly graphic designs!
i dont think it would sell, i would like some nice graphics. nothing obnoxious but i agree that this color doesnt look very attractive
It looks like the North/Ezzy wave I had in the mit 80's, same window shape and just as ugly but good
it's ugly.