Saint left out some of his own context that he iterated in previous videos: he said multiple times that he doesn't recommend people playing Changli because he doesn't want people to invest in a very difficult character, and he acknowledged multiple times that Changli can have good DPS but the skill floor is very high. It's pretty hypocritical for some of you to just listen to one part of his statement, disagree, and then comment the exact points he already made.
Changli can be played as a viable hypercarry with minimal quickswapping and be competitive ABOVE characters like Havoc Rover in terms of main dps. She is quite competitive and viable
@@Riokaii She can be played as hypercarry but I would strongly prefer not to, shes way better on quick swap and would be significantly fast in clearing TOA. I can say this cause ive done it myself. Theres even comps like XY+ Changli+Carlotta that can demolish Hazard Zones. Yes without a healer.
bro was crashing out on stream a week or 2 ago about how a high invested changli forte do 40k solo compared to a hypercarry xly ult doing 200k with buffs. but yea, recently he does mention that changli is very difficult for the damage she output compare to other subdps/2nd dps. although not sure what maygi has to do with this video or the subreddit but she spent hours of her time on stream doing the damage calculator for the community so that's why there's a large community, especially the theorycrafting communities, they really appreciated her works.
i mean the fact that her outro isn't used to its max potential and she can already have such fast clear times suggests to me that she can only get stronger from here.
sh's a support/sub dps if her outro is used at his potential it will buff the dps instead of her, i'm pretty sure brant will be pyro and scale with liberation damag, if u don't believe me look the dragon echo and his set
@@david_aceThe set also scales on ER, and what is ER used for? Resonance Liberation. He’s definitely going to have some sort of synergy with Changli, she’s also likely to have her rerun during his banner as well.
@@david_ace thats what it means to use 100% of a character's potential, ofc her outro is not meant to buff herself. Hopefully brant or Scar fits her comp.
She cant get stronger, she's already playing second fiddle in her best team. If they added another XLY character, Changli would be the one getting replaced because the better team would be XLY and XLY2. Changli is the one dependent on the other dps and she is the first to go if they release a better swap dps. They messed up her design. They gave her a main dps rotation (takes way too much time) but a subdps buff so her damage is lower. That's why she is used in swap dps because she NEEDS to swap and be funneled two outros to make her rotation not ass. BUT in a swap dps team you simply want the best 2 swap dps. Right now her team is busting their ass off just to make Changli work.
@@zippo718 by stronger people meant her value is higher for the overall team not heraelf become stronger because no units rn (aside from Chixia i guess?) That is Havoc Liberation unit. Also 2 XY is a nightmare for concerto and ER reason what the heck are you talking about?!
Gonna weigh in here real quick. Changli is without a doubt my most played resonator, so my words should hold a lot of weight. I typically use Changli in a quickswap type of team, but claiming it to be "sweaty" is a great nod to the fact that I PERSONALLY want to get sweaty with Changli and post comment
I am currently waiting for the nightmare version of inferno rider to respawn as I am typing this. Yes, i still want to get sweaty with Changli and post reply
i disagree what with what you said within the first 2 minutes. yea you have to play her sweaty, but she is apart of the fastest s0r1 clear times in the game. jinhsi/changli has a 26 second clear, xly/changli has multiple 30 second clears. she has a high skill ceiling, but you ARE rewarded if you can play her well, and she does all of this without having a perfect teammate.
Ade those clears mostly due to Changli or due to the DPS she was paired with? Are there other pairs for those two DPS that work equal at lesser effort or better at equal effort?
She has ignore def which is currently niche. Harder the content the better ignore def (so changli) becomes. But with carlotta and probably other characters in the future she'll probably lose this niche and thus her ranking for those speed runners
@@lesath7883well its both, because remember that DPS is Damage per Second not per screenshot, she can fill out the time you swapped out of your main dps to your support so the DPS overall is increasing at some cases. Doesnt make her bad she's just built different and she actually plays to WuWa's strength as a game that is Quick Swapping
@@lesath7883yeah, yinlin for XLY, sanhua (now roccia) for camellya, zhezhi for jinhsi and Carlotta. What I don't understand is how you don't see how insane it is that a single character can work at almost max capacity with basically every other dps in the game. None of these other characters I said are nearly as universal as Changli, she even works quickswapping with camellya, if you don't want to pull every goddamn support for every single dps you can just plug Changli in and it will work, that's where her strength lies
I'm guessing brant will buff fusion dmg and fill the support role, and then they'll release a main fusion dps that takes advantage of her fusion dmg buff and the resonance liberation o: (maybe scar?!)
it will be brant, look the dragon passive and his echo set, fusio damage, buff recharge and for more recharge deal more damage, the dragon deal and buffsfusion damage and since jinshi is reruning soon changli will probably rerun next so wiyth brant, probably 2nd phase since phoebe is 1 phase
i play her because i can make epic quickswap compilations in my head while playing the 3 most goonerific characters in the game and pressing 5 million buttons a second.
@Jimmy_socks maybe for some but not all. If ur a seasoned action gamer like u play pgr dmc 5, u can react quickly to enemies like sekiro, u can respond to fast input, no problem
Anyways, I reccomend Changli cause shes fun, hot as fuck and good enough. Pull who you enjoy folks, don't listen to the sweats, you can clear with all of these characters.
Im a Changli main, and whatever that reddit post is smoking I want some cuz I wanna get high too. He just really went "Let me just make a comparison vid but compare my best char to subpar built chars" The logic is just lost on me. Or maybe the logic didn't even exist to begin with to make a post like that. Insane.
As someone who mains changli, this reddit thread was embarrassing, just play whatever u want, no need to prove anything and cope THAT hard. Let the hardcore player run the numbers, let them minmax, i will still love my changli gameplay because thats how i like to play the game and enjoy the process of charging up the stacks and nuking the enemy. Not everyone loves to minmax and its fiinnneeeeee.
Honestly Saint if I invested into Changli and some people have her S6, I wouldn't believe anyone telling me she's bad XD Not trying to undermine your take it's just pointless to say this, Let people enjoy their characters man
Putting the effort in is half the fun. I run Changli as a double DPS setup with Chixia, both sharing similar field time. This team consistantly gets some of my fastest clears... but I don't own Jiyan, Jinhsi and I don't play XY. I just don't like their playstyles. I'm sure I could do more damage investing in one of those. But I do plenty of damage enough to clear everything on Chang/Chix and it just feels a lot more fun BECAUSE I needed to learn some more fiddly rotations and nuances. But then, I'm also a Danjin main nowadays so I'm probably not the standard demographic.
I relate to you so hard LMAO! My first main and I still love playing her is Danjin. The high risk high reward is SO FUN. I have bought and made more revive items than I can count just to learn her and I absolutely would do Solo Danjin runs cause its absurdly satisfying. Changli was the first character after to really excite me about the game. It was quite literally the fact that theres so much to learn, chew on, and get better at. As well as the amount of nuance and flexibility. I do also play Jinshi and Encore but they're both definitely my favourites. Ironically I loved Chixia super early on and still do. I got Carlotta's gun and not her and heard Chixia mains loved it so I slapped the new skill damage + the gun on her and love her fun it feels. Not to mention how risk reward it can feel with holding the 30 or having to dodge and take a small cashout. My teams atm are: Jinshi - Zhezhi/Lumi/Moretti - Baizhi/RoverS Encore - Changli - Baizhi/RoverS Danjin - Honestly Anyone with Danjin and hopefully Carlotta to replace Lion boy even tho I did enjoy his playstyle. Chixia was on my list but I needed to narrow my builds so she'll be later.
I'm not a swety player, but i love playing Changli, i know she is the worst in comparative with xangli yao/yinlin, and sometimes pass for 1 h tryouts to pass with 3 * the last lvl of Tower, but anyways i love playing with her. I dont complain for her lack of damage cuz i have so much fun playing with her. I have her S0R1.
Dang this is wild. Seeing Changli being part of the fastest clearing teams reminds me of one time from some months ago in Honkai Star Rail when the oldest limited character Seele was the main dps in the fastest clearing team for one season of the endgame mode Memory of Chaos (with no dupes or signature weapon on anyone). Other people who didn't main Seele were quite impressed, but they still agreed that she wasn't worth rolling for. Best part is there was no drama about Seele mains trying to start a war telling people that she's worth the pulls
I want to summarise my own take on changli here. She absolutely sucks in comparison to any other dedicated sub dps 5 star and needs a lot of effort to maximise her potential due to how hard she is to play in COMPARISON, especially due to no character fully benefiting from her outro buff yet. I still love her and play her in every ToA 4th floor because I am one of those people who took his time to learn her kit and I love her animations and character design and lore. So, in short, I openly acknowledge her problems and play her due to personal bias and favouritism.
She suck when you dont know how to play her, even we dont have other character who can full fill her benefiting but she can outshine all sub dps in this game without outro buff.
Saying a character is bad cause they don't have their perfect concerto partner yet is really dumb. Jinhsi is still missing an off-field unit that buffs Resonance Skill and Spectro but she's still one of best units in the game.
@@Layer-v5h Bro, Changli paired with Verina can easily dish out 200k+ damage using her heavy ult and heavy combo. The only downside is that she requires significant investment as a sub-DPS, unlike other sub-DPS characters who primarily focus on buffing without contributing much damage themselves. However, when it comes to the sheer fun of gameplay, Changli is absolutely god-tier-she's way more enjoyable to play than Jinshi.
Using Jinhsi, the most nuclear character in the game that doesn't really care about buffs as long as her forte is full, as the example is really dumb. Also Saint gave multiple reasons and you cherrypicking one of them is really dumb
That's not true. If you know how to quickswap changli duo dps with XY/Carlotta do more damage than with their "BiS" sub dps (Yinlin/Zhezhi). Calcs are there for you, a lot of videos of ppl that know how to use her are there for you. You like to call out other CC's for spreading misinformation yet you're doing the same here. You don't like the character? That's ok, you don't have to. Just don't be spreading misinformation about it just because you suck with it.
I mainly play Changli, on every content, i love her most than any other characters, and i'm sweating my a$$ off to get the most of her, it's really really hard and she asks a massive amount of investment in order to be competent. Yes, she is lacking in many things. Yes, i'll keep playing her that much for a long long time. People must stop trying to be delusionnal.
He isn’t, he just know the core mechanics of the game. Even then he doesn’t acknowledge quick swapping and only say it’s for sweats as if it’s something so difficult to do. Oh no im good at the game and sweaty coz I can swap to other dps character during long skill animation and swap back. 💀
He's just hypocrite. He think he's better than other CC too yet he's also spreading misinformation that Changli is useless character and not worth getting just because he can't play her right
@@Juryoku_here is the thing. There is no maybe. And she is not a main DPS. She is a paired/dual DPS, put her with another damage dealer and she WILL outperform the “perfect” sub-dps for that damage dealer. An example is Yinlin-Yao being outperformed by Changli-Yao, even if it apparently makes no sense, that's the power of her swappable moveset.
Kuro has to either release a Sub-dps for Changli or bring a Dps that nukes everything with his/her Liberation under 10s to utilise her buff either or will be helpful
Changli quickswap teams are really spectacular and fun for those who is interested in sweaty gameplay. But she is NOT for the majority of players that's for sure. I always find funny that the most popular character(outside of the game) in wuwa is the most hard to use😅
Aside from that dogshit comparison, post, and comments, the most shocking thing I learned is that changli becomes more naked as she goes through her rotations. Thanks for the info @Saintontas
I am playing (she is my main till now)with her since release...I would say she is powerful enough to clear content but if we compare her damage to another main dps... it's obviously low Becoz initially she is a support char with relatively high DMG so we play her a hybrid dps(role of dps and sub dps .. depends on team).....yeah that's it
I don't buy that "ChAnGLi doESn'T Do ThAt mUcH DaMaGE" bullshit. You don't use changli just for damage, she is objectively the most flexible character in game/in bed. All you had to do is to just practice how to utilize her abilities.
she is really good at quick swapping and clear ToA fast, can combo with all characters with quickswap ability, this bullshit not recommending Changli is noob as sht hhahaha
@thedendengaming I can see why most people don't recommend changli average players since most gacha players don't want to study the characters they're pulling for. Changli is perfect for players who wants to OTP a character. She's the most fun character to build. Even I currently have 3 set build for her Fire dmg> moonlit > lingering tunes. Pulling her dupes are also worth it since her 6th sequence ignores defense which will be useful at any situations.
@@bserver2424 I tried to pull her to S3 but the goddess of luck is not with me. but I can finish ToA with her, its just this time the ToA is hard, but I manage to boost her echoes to the point I 3* Floor 2 tempest with mortefi buffer, Just a little bit of quickswap to boost DPS. But these CCs treat there audience a noob crowd, they just want drama. hahaha
Shorekeeper is the most flexible character, not Changli. Personally I think she's the second worst premium 5* just above Yinlin arguably if you discount Rover.
i love changli and i skip jinshi for her and thats big mistake. i struggle to complete content with her. maybe skill issue but when i use yanglio it is easier. i agree with him, maybe someone will come out soon and make her strong and i cant wait for it to happen because i love her.
Changli is hard to use, but if you mastered the Rotation and knowing quick swap timing between her and xiangliyao. Even on mobile you can mastered that team.
Ok, so my only hot take is if Changli is not a sub-dps cuz she doesn't have off-field dmg then what the hell is Sanhua? She is not a main dps by far, and if is like you say the she is neither sub-dps, i don't think she is a healer maybe i'm wrong tho. Changli has outro buff cuz she is a sub-dps and the fact that none of the main dps roast has outro buff makes sense. Yes, she is hard to play and that's not my point(I'm Jinhsi/Carlotta main btw) but i don't think is fair to compare her against others main dps characters, we don't do that with Sanhua then why would we do that with Changli? Roccia is literally a havoc version of her and i'm not seeing anyone talking that she is ass vs Jinhsi, Jiyan, XY, Carlotta and Camellya.
- "I don't like Jinshi because she's too easy to play" - "I don't like Changli because she's too difficult to master" - "I think Jiyan's cancel is the most difficult hypercarry skill to master" - Jiyan is his main Like what?
It's all come down to his bias to Jiyan and how he can outperform others with his dope ass combo thingy, the double qing long?, as he can execute it with ease.
Pure hypocrisy. He call Changli bad because she's hard to master but didn't bat an eyes over mastering Jiyan ani cancel and even claim Jiyan being the hardest hypercarry to master 😂🤣 Tontas truly has the most braindead take
Context: Jinshi gameplay is boring, its a straight up intro, q+ulti, batk1,2,3 and skill. Chagli requires a lot of practices for a casual player to reach a dmg output comparable to a simple jiyan+mortefi. Jiyan 8 qinqlong is the hardest hypercarry skill since the other HYPERCARRY have a much easier animation cancell: jinshi: 1st e cancelled with ulti/dash cancel and batk4 with the 2nd e; Carlotta: you mostly dont cancell anything and if you swap you lose buffs; Camellya: the most difficult thing is maybe her double intro, which is easy, no cancells; Encore: skill cancell and forte swap, pretty easy; XY: you dont cancell; Lingyang and calcharo: you can cancell but you lose dmg and calcharo loses a lot in hypercarry teams. All of those things are meant to a CASUAL PLAYER's attention. Maybe we can play the game and actually listen to what he says in the video instead of jumping to the comments to hate
I just started the game so I don't really know much about changli, but I feel like she's just a character that you can test with different teams, I even saw changli and carlotta together.
You have a big skill issue my bro. And stop assuming all players want braindead gameplay like Jiyan's, this is wuwa ffs not genshin. What's the problem with having a difficult character? That's the point of quickswaping. She's the queen of quickswap for something, just like how XY works great for quickswap too
Buddy everyone knows , wtf were you watching, he clearly said changli need more investment then other characters and how to execute them properly ( I am a changli main for a long time and knows this very well) Also he never assumed anything, he gave a honest fact about a character so people who wanna pull them know what they are getting Also how is clearly all holograms and toa a skill issue ?
Here's my take: changli doesn't play like other limited characters. because her "rotation" has no field time, with a good quickswap main dps, you can basically play rotationless. I love that i can play by instinct and have 90% of her current potential woth xly instead of static rotations
@@ivanmartinez743 Dunno about lying, but he definitely makes claims about character he clearly doesn't know how to play at all. This was painfully obvious in his "How to Play Every DPS in Wuthering Waves" video and Changli isn't the only one. Saint know core game mechanics well, he's very good at Jiyan and that's it. Everything else he makes up with way too big ego.
The only thing that I had to say would be that Changli basically has the same outro skill as yinlin which basically means if changli had a xiangliyao equivalent of a fusion DPS, she more or less would maybe have the same job as her . damage is something nice to add maybe But I believe her strength in the future lies in her overall supporting capabilities( copium)
God these changli mains are so atrocious. The character itself is top tier design-wise but some changli mains makes you hate her by how much glazing they do with her character to the point of being delusional, like she cured their cancer or something. 😂
Exactly, man. No one is saying that Changli is a bad unit, but you need to really play her well to see good results. And even then, there are other 5* units that can do what she does with less effort and greater pay-off. That's just how she was designed.
This is not just changli mains. Any 5 star mains will be just as annoying if saint calls your favorite 5 star the worst limited character in the game. This is not exclusive to changli mains
@@xegazekk2694 I would argue if calls jinshi a bad character they would be even worse just saying. You need to stop thinking this is only changli mains. You would probably do the same if he calls your favorite png character bad
@@Cramp-m5w not really, he would literally just be wrong then. 😂 I wouldn't bother conversing to a person that doesn't know what he's or she's talking about. Tho my favorite is indeed a Jinhsi.
@@killuad0 Holy shit, it really is you! I'm not going to say you're a complete tard. I'm a fellow Changli simp. But if you're going to nerd sass, double check your work before you put it out there.
Changli may be inefficient resources-wise since you need to build 2 characters for just 1 team in ToA (she can work in hypercarry teams with, for instance, Sanhua, but it's not that great and also Encore exists), but astrite-wise you get a very flexible character who can be slotted in basically any team since she can both buff and deal good damage. Her sig is also only 11% stronger compared to EoG (according to wutheringlab) so skipping her weapon isn't that big of a damage loss for her compared to most other limited characters. Also, y'all are overestimating how high Changli's skill floor is, sure her skill ceiling with all the quickswaps is really high, but her skill floor is literally just: intro > TS charge > plunge > basics > Inferno Rider > TS conquest > E > TS conquest > E > TS conquest > forte > ult > forte > outro Then when you finish your second dps' rotation and you can give 2 intros to Changli you can go: intro > TS charge > E > Inferno Rider > TS conquest > intro > TS charge > E > TS conquest > forte > ult > forte > outro. (With Nightmare Inferno Rider, you can just use it at the end of the rotation before outro) Looks complicated written down like this, but it's really easy to do once you get used to it. And yes, if both your Changli and your second dps are built this is really all you need to do with her on a duo dps team, no quickswaps needed at all. Sure you won't be getting any speedrun times with this rotation but you'll do so much damage anyway you'll still be able to clear ToA just fine in under 2 minutes.
Yes, her skill ceiling is high but her skill floor is not as high as people make it out to be, Saint is making people think casuals players investing in Changli is a bad investment compared to other DPS.
As a Changli main myself I agree mostly. She's definitely worse than any other character in the game for anyone who isn't quick swaping which is most players. The part I personally disagree with or I think you exaggerated a little, is quick swaping doesn't really take that much time to learn compare to other mechanics in other games. In gacha games and a lot of the 1.0 updates of Wuwa, there wasnt a ton of content. Like it's not crazy to spend an extra 30 minutes a day to practice and learn it if you enjoy that playstyle. Doing that took me a few weeks, and gave me something to do when the game had no content in 1.1 and 1.2. Even the sweatiest players in wuwa are still by enlarge casual gamers in general. So I do think you're very much overexaterating how long that mechanic takes to learn. Imo it takes longer to learn one Elden Ring boss fight than it does to learn Changli QS. I play Changli bc she's fun. I'm not even that good a Qs probably but idc bc to me if you take away QS in Wuwa, the combat isn't any different than an other gacha action game (Genshin, PGR, ZZZ). But i totally understand ppl who don't feel like learning it or don't have fun doing it, perfectly understandable
The only thing i disagree with you saint, is talking about the time investment. Bc RNG is involved for unlocking your substats, it can take from a few hours(VERY lucky) to a few weeks to get a good echo set. So yes, it is believable that he has the same amount of time investment to his Changli to his other characters
I think Saint was talking about overall "investment", which the OP (might have went out of his way to) give Changli signature weapon and S1, yet Xiangli Yao has a 4 star weapon and Jiyan has a 5 star non-crit standard weapon, and that makes the investment clearly imbalanced.
@kenchen704 even getting the S1R1 Changli is down to RNG, and we don't know if that is the case, i.e. I got my S1R1 Changli in more or less 140 pulls, didn't lose the 50/50 and got 2 Changlis within one 10 pull, and for my shorekeeper it took more or less the same amount of pulls just to get S0R0.
@@matt_strunkyep im the op and got the S1R1 Changli in 120 pulls while Jiyan S0 in 140 pulls (Xiangli Yao i did some pulls in the weapon but nothing crazy like 20 pulls and didnt come edit: also for stats i probably have more farming time for Xiangli Yao than Changli but he never once did leave the state i put him in the 1.2 release, i guess im not lucky.
As a casual Wuwa player with a full roster (minus ice midget) I can confirm I dropped Changli for literally anyone else. She's one of the best for overworld farming, and I don't even use her for that.
Oh yeah. At the end of ver 1 i was exclusively farming echos using changli/xly and now switching to Carlotta im feeling the time lost because even at UL 80, the overworld mobs are weak enough for changli half rot to end them while meanwhile Carlotta being a very backloaded dps it feels a waste todo a whole rot so she gets enough energy to ult on a few teddy bears
17:07 that is just untrue in every way, Changli is meant for trve patricians who favor engaging, high skill gameplay and are successful enough that they can afford to invest into learning a game's mechanics and challenge themselves There are those who like to LARP as those belonging to this higher caste, but make no mistake, they are only wearing the skin of people who genuinely know the game A Changli main knows how to and can play every team with ease, and probably does so, humbly enjoying the sheer variety that VVuthering VVaves offers, while the unwashed ones can only feign an aura of elitism
Also like c'mon WW isn't DMC or Tekken, pressing directional keys on time and reading what sonata sets and skills do isn't some kind of insane esoteric knowledge
I'm a Changli main purely because I play Waifu/Fun over Meta. These people are insane for engaging with meta content, and create drama, when they can't even be honest and show genuine numbers. Just sours the game for everyone else.
I carry a Saintontas Flag in my heart, but even though what they say about you is total bs, SAINT, my MAN, you don't play ChangLi, not even well. She's not the best, she's not better than the other limited characters, she doesn't need it, but she's also not fully fledged like the others.
So sandbagging Jiyan and Xiangli Yao aside, I think the main reason people are playing Changli is of course not the numbers but how fun she is to play. I think we know she isnt dishing out the T0 level of damage, but animations and playstyle are one thing people play these games for. Yes her damage isnt the highest and you can not recommend her sure, but you are kinda dissing people that do have her. Again its not because of her damage and whenever a Xiangli Yao Fusion character comes out she'll have her niche then, but right now people are just enjoying her quickswap nature even when her damage isnt the highest
When i got Changli first, i was honestly a bit underwhelmed by her performance since i was comparing her to Jinhsi, who is still a tier 0 dps even now. But, as of now, Changli became my favorite comfort character to play in overworld & soloing floor 2 & 3 of the side towers (which means i only need two teams & Changli one-woman army to consistently 30/30 TOA). Mind u, she is S0R1 & still performs well enough to never leave her space in both TOA & Overworld farming. Also, playing Changli made me appreciate quickswap playstyle a lot more, since the standard hypercarry style got a bit boring after a while, & Changli can spice things up as long as you can feed are intro skills & mind the timings. So yes, from a pure meta standpoint, Changli is not a top tier broken dps, but she makes up for it by her synergistic quick swappable teams with many characters, interesting playstyle & amazing visuals. Afterall, it’s always waifu over meta, and yet Changli does not fall behind that much compared to other dps to be called “bad” imo.
Thanks for the video! While watching it, I completed "Dance Dance Chelonian!" Side quest, and was somehow shocked that music in the ending of your video was THAT music from the quest 😹 Great taste I'd say
Changli mains out here casually making the rest of us look bad, smh. I’d love for Changli to deal insane damage like other characters, but that’s not the reality, and I’m okay with it. I didn’t pull her because she’s strong-I pulled her because I like her more than any other character, both in design and gameplay. So trying to artificially make this narrative is just comical, icl.
For someone with (in my own opinion) average skill, I think Changli does not match up to Jihnsi or Carlotta. All my DPS characters have their signature weapons. Jihnsi sequence 1, Camellya sequence 2, Changli sequence 2, and Carlotta sequence 0. I can say for sure that Changli has the worst performance. For her defence, I think she’s extremely skill dependent. She’ll probably be at a better place as well once we get a fusion character that has a big portion of their damage in their Liberation.
I have a theory, Changli is from the future. She's a sub-dps from patch 3.0 but got released early for some reason, that's the reason why she's doing DPS similar to current main-dps's while she still has a support Outro! I mean, that's how it is in most gachas, 3.0 sub-dps will do the same or more dmg than 1.0 main dps! Jokes aside, Changli helped me clear ToA for quite a few weeks before I got Carlotta. I didn't have any other strong DPS except XGL Yao so whenever there was a Memphis, Changli was my go-to DPS!
Oh wait, it's Knolliboy! This is the deep lore of how he initially got banned, but somehow turned into one of Saint's biggest supporters. That's absolutely crazy.
now i normally agree with saint here, but changli does the most consistent damage with medium effort of learning how to use her properly. i personally find XY hard to use and thus not worth building
I fear we won't be getting a Fusion main DPS who can work well with Changli for a couple patches yet xd We got Phoebe dripmarketing recently, so it's almost certain she's going to be the first character of 2.1. We know she is Spectro, and most likely a main DPS of some sort that relies on Spectro Frazzle. And none of the other Echo sets appear to work for a Fusion/Resonance Liberation character. So they probably won't appear on x.1 patch like Changli, and 2.1 will be like 5th patch since Changli? Well, this is my deduction/conjecture, but: The only one that could possibly work is "Tidebreaking Courage", since its 5pc bonus is general attribute damage if you hit at least 250% ER, but the 4-cost Echo is the Dragon, which gives Fusion and Basic Attack damage. So unless we're getting an unannounced limited version of Encore who Ults a lot and is a sea captain, guys, I think it's just Brant's set. I mean, who else could use a set literally named "Tidebreaking Courage" than Captain Brant Sparrow, with the Overlord Echo living on the same mountain below and near which we meet the dude, and is basically his home base. So unless Brant is a main DPS, and actually turns out to be Fusion, Changli will continue gathering dust, and Changli Mains will continue to seethe. Honestly it's kinda sad, because while these "Changli Mains" seem unhinged, I really like Changli. She's not that good in endgame due to lacking a dedicated team, but she's nevertheless a lot of fun to play casually, and her animations are amazing. Also, she's hot, can't forget about that. Though until a Fusion main DPS releases who can take advantage of her, she'll continue gathering dust, only coming out to clear lower Floors in the Tower.
@@killuad0 And it probably won't be before 2.4 lol. Because Phoebe obviously is Spectro, Brant who got dripmarketed today - no idea, but probably Fusion buffer? Since the Tidebreaking Courage set requires 250% ER, which is usually a support kind of thing. None of the other sets will be for Fusion main DPS, so we need to wait for the next big patch in 2.x, maybe with a new big region of Rinascita, which would hopefully add new sonata sets. Copium that there is a set for Fusion main DPS.
@@mikoajbaszczyszyn4568 yeah, probably just when a big update happens that we will receive a New set + Fusion Main DPS, so we need to wait big time for it
Bro you are not realistic at all XD She is actaully doing that much dmg compared to other dps, just look at maygi, look at more people clears. You are going to do the same clear on same amount of invesment and even if you can't clear faster you are literally behind a little. I'm not even talking about that post. I main changli, i suck at her and i clear every toa anyway (doesn't matter i know) but i do that with sanhua. The point is your "math" doesn't add up. If your xiangli yao/yinlin clear toa with 3:10 left for example and your changli/sanhua clear with 3:00 barely, the amount of improvement you can do in this team could be even 30sec and you don't even need that much to get it, when in xiangli yao team you will get like 10-15 second which will still give you faster clear on changli. If you don't do dmg with changli is always build or just skill issue nothing more. I don't deny that you need to be a little sweaty on her, but saying that she is bad in terms of pure numbers etc is just wrong, you are talking about the character that has the most room to optimaze her
The main problem with Changli at her current state was that she doesn't have the most synergistic teammates available to her, leading to these quickswap styles to make the most of her, though It's looking like Brandt is gonna be that unit that synergizes perfectly with her, being a Fusion character focused on Liberation damage, with his outro boosting Fusion and Skill damage. Can't wait to pull for him in 2.1!
6:17 You don't always have to ult on gold stellar realm. It's more efficient to ult with Yao at the start and build concerto energy for your other characters by the time his second ult is used, you have all yinlin and shorekeeper buffs active
just a remark on ragebait 20：00 rage bait is as simple as the name intails. baiting for rage, doesn't matter if u r correct or wrong, as long as its a bait and it makes people rage or anything close to feeling of being attacked that means ragebait. wat is EXACTLY wat ur 90% of content is. doesn't mean its bad, simply acknowledge it that that dudes text is correct and like Mr-fail to see cause eyes closed pokke my ass daddy 3000 u create ragebait and thrive on this content. SO DONT SAY HE WRONG WEN HE RIGHT. its a take on specific time spamp mark of ur vid.
Man the cheng li support in the comments saying otherwise n i agree 😂 u need multiple teams anyways and if you clearing u clearing. This aint star rail where zero cycling is the only way
u use words like sweaty and disgusting when talking about the most beautiful playstyle in the game like wtf? ive never seen anyone else say its so freakin hard or call it disgusting like wtf?!
Honestly i wish the CCs making guides prior to recommending her in her banner run did what saint said. I was told that "shes amazing but you just need to play high skill todo so" so i pulled her and while now being UL80 with many different teams and good echos so i can now clear TOA with her, on the time i pulled her she was next to useless. Because i was still a new-ish player atm with both skill issue and not alot of resources, wasting alot of them and time farming her set for even encore todo similar damage with less skill needed and less investment felt bad. And tbh while i like to feel skilled by playing her now, I would have probably not pulled her in ver 1 if i knew prior how she is Like what saint said, changli is a great dps if you input both the skill and investment needed for her (not talking about s6 but stuff like a great set and well built support/2nd dps too), while meanwhile many other dpses would output similar damage with much less skill and investment needed (plus do quite a bit more damage if using similar lvl investment) which is what a new player appreciates the most.
Yeah as a jinhsi main (played her since release) I agree with what Saint is saying I more or less only use her in toa or if I want to turn my brain off
Imagine a Jinshi main calling Changli's gameplay a no-brainer. Bro, Jinshi's gameplay is literally just building her concerto using sub-DPS characters, swapping to her, and then clicking the resonance skill. What are you even talking about?
@Saintontas, I have a question, is Changli good for a quickswap team for carlotta? I saw a lot of videos explaining why quickswap is better or equal in dps terms to hypercarry with zhezhi, I have changli and playing the quickswap but im not sure if its rlly that good, I would like ur opinion in this matter
I still love playing her with Encore in the Tower, from time to time. The playstyle is fun and the animations are very pretty. Cant wait for Zani and Brant to release to maybe round out her Team^^
I know saint isn't generalizing all Changli mains out there, but yes, I am in love with this png as a Changli main. But bruh these delusional children from reddit make me cringe so much I'm glad I don't hang out there.
Wuwa reddit acts like they are above everyone else but they themselves are the ones who got butt hurt when someone doesn’t agree with them or criticize the game.
Saint left out some of his own context that he iterated in previous videos: he said multiple times that he doesn't recommend people playing Changli because he doesn't want people to invest in a very difficult character, and he acknowledged multiple times that Changli can have good DPS but the skill floor is very high. It's pretty hypocritical for some of you to just listen to one part of his statement, disagree, and then comment the exact points he already made.
I agree, but try telling anyone who comments here that. Also, try telling Maygii or her subreddit r/WutheringWaves that.
@@darktenki5893 yeah it's pretty tough man, but it's fine, they will realize at some point that they are just arguing Saint's points for him LMAO
Changli can be played as a viable hypercarry with minimal quickswapping and be competitive ABOVE characters like Havoc Rover in terms of main dps. She is quite competitive and viable
@@Riokaii She can be played as hypercarry but I would strongly prefer not to, shes way better on quick swap and would be significantly fast in clearing TOA. I can say this cause ive done it myself.
Theres even comps like XY+ Changli+Carlotta that can demolish Hazard Zones. Yes without a healer.
bro was crashing out on stream a week or 2 ago about how a high invested changli forte do 40k solo compared to a hypercarry xly ult doing 200k with buffs. but yea, recently he does mention that changli is very difficult for the damage she output compare to other subdps/2nd dps.
although not sure what maygi has to do with this video or the subreddit but she spent hours of her time on stream doing the damage calculator for the community so that's why there's a large community, especially the theorycrafting communities, they really appreciated her works.
I main Changli because she's hot, not cuz she's good
Perfectly stated.
Change my mind
She is good. You just cant utilize her well.
Ah yes, cultured
Fcking finally someone understand me! She hot so I main her!
Sorry Saint. To play Changli you need to atleast be as skilled as an Eastern CC.
Saw him clear ToA with Chiangli.
But she was like S6.
Have to accept those clears were blazingly fast.
I despise how everything in gacha space gets blown out of proportion.
And be on r/changlibodypillow
LMAO
At least knowing about the cn dual switch role speedrun thing. Otherwise i dont think he's skilled enough. Xd
i mean the fact that her outro isn't used to its max potential and she can already have such fast clear times suggests to me that she can only get stronger from here.
sh's a support/sub dps if her outro is used at his potential it will buff the dps instead of her, i'm pretty sure brant will be pyro and scale with liberation damag, if u don't believe me look the dragon echo and his set
@@david_aceThe set also scales on ER, and what is ER used for? Resonance Liberation. He’s definitely going to have some sort of synergy with Changli, she’s also likely to have her rerun during his banner as well.
@@david_ace thats what it means to use 100% of a character's potential, ofc her outro is not meant to buff herself. Hopefully brant or Scar fits her comp.
She cant get stronger, she's already playing second fiddle in her best team. If they added another XLY character, Changli would be the one getting replaced because the better team would be XLY and XLY2. Changli is the one dependent on the other dps and she is the first to go if they release a better swap dps.
They messed up her design. They gave her a main dps rotation (takes way too much time) but a subdps buff so her damage is lower. That's why she is used in swap dps because she NEEDS to swap and be funneled two outros to make her rotation not ass. BUT in a swap dps team you simply want the best 2 swap dps. Right now her team is busting their ass off just to make Changli work.
@@zippo718 by stronger people meant her value is higher for the overall team not heraelf become stronger because no units rn (aside from Chixia i guess?) That is Havoc Liberation unit. Also 2 XY is a nightmare for concerto and ER reason what the heck are you talking about?!
Gonna weigh in here real quick. Changli is without a doubt my most played resonator, so my words should hold a lot of weight. I typically use Changli in a quickswap type of team, but claiming it to be "sweaty" is a great nod to the fact that I PERSONALLY want to get sweaty with Changli and post comment
I am currently waiting for the nightmare version of inferno rider to respawn as I am typing this. Yes, i still want to get sweaty with Changli and post reply
I want to play duo dps with changli....in bed
it's been two hours and i'm still fucking grinding this nightmare
@@GrandGr4ndmasterbest of luck brother, the grind never ends.
@@GrandGr4ndmasterhours?? Mine is daysss!!! (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
i disagree what with what you said within the first 2 minutes. yea you have to play her sweaty, but she is apart of the fastest s0r1 clear times in the game. jinhsi/changli has a 26 second clear, xly/changli has multiple 30 second clears. she has a high skill ceiling, but you ARE rewarded if you can play her well, and she does all of this without having a perfect teammate.
Ade those clears mostly due to Changli or due to the DPS she was paired with?
Are there other pairs for those two DPS that work equal at lesser effort or better at equal effort?
She has ignore def which is currently niche. Harder the content the better ignore def (so changli) becomes.
But with carlotta and probably other characters in the future she'll probably lose this niche and thus her ranking for those speed runners
@@lesath7883well its both, because remember that DPS is Damage per Second not per screenshot, she can fill out the time you swapped out of your main dps to your support so the DPS overall is increasing at some cases. Doesnt make her bad she's just built different and she actually plays to WuWa's strength as a game that is Quick Swapping
@@lesath7883yeah, yinlin for XLY, sanhua (now roccia) for camellya, zhezhi for jinhsi and Carlotta. What I don't understand is how you don't see how insane it is that a single character can work at almost max capacity with basically every other dps in the game. None of these other characters I said are nearly as universal as Changli, she even works quickswapping with camellya, if you don't want to pull every goddamn support for every single dps you can just plug Changli in and it will work, that's where her strength lies
OMG 4 WHOLE SECONDS 🤪
don’t mess with us Changli mains, we don’t know what the fck were talking about
😂😂
Cant wait for the perfect synergy character to come out for my girl Changli, shes gonna go ballistic
My money's on Geshu Lin
I'm guessing brant will buff fusion dmg and fill the support role, and then they'll release a main fusion dps that takes advantage of her fusion dmg buff and the resonance liberation o:
(maybe scar?!)
Heard from a leak that Zani will be fusion(and from another leak that she's spectro lmao).... so maybe that team comp??
it will be brant, look the dragon passive and his echo set, fusio damage, buff recharge and for more recharge deal more damage, the dragon deal and buffsfusion damage and since jinshi is reruning soon changli will probably rerun next so wiyth brant, probably 2nd phase since phoebe is 1 phase
Brant will save her
i play her because i can make epic quickswap compilations in my head while playing the 3 most goonerific characters in the game and pressing 5 million buttons a second.
never underestimate Changli main. also, her damage potential is extremely high if you know what you are doing
and know how to EXECUTE it
Guys he literally said compared to other characters, changli requires more to work
@@lucklessflow5769 thats what an expert character is. It requires more skill to pay off, and she doesn't have a perfect match yet.
Sorry. I am a braindead Encore main. Anything above spamming Basic attack and hitting Ultimate when it lights up is too hard for me 😂
@@Gheniel_ dude, by requires more i mean investment (s1, her weapon, and echos)
Tbh the feel of something like quickswap Changli Carlotta destroys the classic optimal Zhezhi Carlotta combo in terms of dopamine levels
fr, the animations and the ability to swap so fast is so fun and i have never 'sweat' like how he says all the time like wtf?
i wholeheartedly agree
@@minthantmaung8643 quickswapping is sweaty lol. nothing wrong with that but at least be honest.
The thing is dmg wise is also similar which is funny when saint is saying that changli fall of in terms of scaling and dps for now
@Jimmy_socks maybe for some but not all. If ur a seasoned action gamer like u play pgr dmc 5, u can react quickly to enemies like sekiro, u can respond to fast input, no problem
Anyways, I reccomend Changli cause shes fun, hot as fuck and good enough. Pull who you enjoy folks, don't listen to the sweats, you can clear with all of these characters.
I pull her for xiangli and carlotta.
Im a Changli main, and whatever that reddit post is smoking I want some cuz I wanna get high too.
He just really went "Let me just make a comparison vid but compare my best char to subpar built chars"
The logic is just lost on me. Or maybe the logic didn't even exist to begin with to make a post like that.
Insane.
oh no we must protect Changli against this angry Snowman who clearly doesn't know how to play the game cause he a western cc
Changli can melt the angry snowman that's why he hates her😂
As someone who mains changli, this reddit thread was embarrassing, just play whatever u want, no need to prove anything and cope THAT hard. Let the hardcore player run the numbers, let them minmax, i will still love my changli gameplay because thats how i like to play the game and enjoy the process of charging up the stacks and nuking the enemy. Not everyone loves to minmax and its fiinnneeeeee.
Changli is my wife so that's why she's still on my team and will stay on my team!
same here
Absolutely. I didn't even read her kit before I pulled her. Her visuals were all I needed to main her.
Fun > Meta, doesnt care what they say as long as she is fun to play with, she'll be on my team.
to be fair she is the one person that can be slot in ANY team and still work wonder
get in line boi, she ma wife
the real changli mains are too busy having fun to care about this crap
Just started with the PS5 release. I want that changli rerun, she such a baddie
Honestly Saint if I invested into Changli and some people have her S6, I wouldn't believe anyone telling me she's bad XD Not trying to undermine your take it's just pointless to say this, Let people enjoy their characters man
Putting the effort in is half the fun. I run Changli as a double DPS setup with Chixia, both sharing similar field time. This team consistantly gets some of my fastest clears... but I don't own Jiyan, Jinhsi and I don't play XY. I just don't like their playstyles. I'm sure I could do more damage investing in one of those. But I do plenty of damage enough to clear everything on Chang/Chix and it just feels a lot more fun BECAUSE I needed to learn some more fiddly rotations and nuances.
But then, I'm also a Danjin main nowadays so I'm probably not the standard demographic.
I relate to you so hard LMAO! My first main and I still love playing her is Danjin. The high risk high reward is SO FUN. I have bought and made more revive items than I can count just to learn her and I absolutely would do Solo Danjin runs cause its absurdly satisfying. Changli was the first character after to really excite me about the game. It was quite literally the fact that theres so much to learn, chew on, and get better at. As well as the amount of nuance and flexibility. I do also play Jinshi and Encore but they're both definitely my favourites. Ironically I loved Chixia super early on and still do. I got Carlotta's gun and not her and heard Chixia mains loved it so I slapped the new skill damage + the gun on her and love her fun it feels. Not to mention how risk reward it can feel with holding the 30 or having to dodge and take a small cashout.
My teams atm are:
Jinshi - Zhezhi/Lumi/Moretti - Baizhi/RoverS
Encore - Changli - Baizhi/RoverS
Danjin - Honestly Anyone with Danjin
and hopefully Carlotta to replace Lion boy even tho I did enjoy his playstyle.
Chixia was on my list but I needed to narrow my builds so she'll be later.
I'm not a swety player, but i love playing Changli, i know she is the worst in comparative with xangli yao/yinlin, and sometimes pass for 1 h tryouts to pass with 3 * the last lvl of Tower, but anyways i love playing with her. I dont complain for her lack of damage cuz i have so much fun playing with her. I have her S0R1.
Dang this is wild. Seeing Changli being part of the fastest clearing teams reminds me of one time from some months ago in Honkai Star Rail when the oldest limited character Seele was the main dps in the fastest clearing team for one season of the endgame mode Memory of Chaos (with no dupes or signature weapon on anyone). Other people who didn't main Seele were quite impressed, but they still agreed that she wasn't worth rolling for. Best part is there was no drama about Seele mains trying to start a war telling people that she's worth the pulls
reminds me of people saying Tartaglia is bad tbh (also my main)
I want to summarise my own take on changli here.
She absolutely sucks in comparison to any other dedicated sub dps 5 star and needs a lot of effort to maximise her potential due to how hard she is to play in COMPARISON, especially due to no character fully benefiting from her outro buff yet.
I still love her and play her in every ToA 4th floor because I am one of those people who took his time to learn her kit and I love her animations and character design and lore.
So, in short, I openly acknowledge her problems and play her due to personal bias and favouritism.
She suck when you dont know how to play her, even we dont have other character who can full fill her benefiting but she can outshine all sub dps in this game without outro buff.
When I got Changli. The fire nation attacked. All the red mobs in the map were gone.
Saying a character is bad cause they don't have their perfect concerto partner yet is really dumb. Jinhsi is still missing an off-field unit that buffs Resonance Skill and Spectro but she's still one of best units in the game.
Her damage let’s her get away with that, while Changlj doesn’t have that
@@Layer-v5h Bro, Changli paired with Verina can easily dish out 200k+ damage using her heavy ult and heavy combo. The only downside is that she requires significant investment as a sub-DPS, unlike other sub-DPS characters who primarily focus on buffing without contributing much damage themselves. However, when it comes to the sheer fun of gameplay, Changli is absolutely god-tier-she's way more enjoyable to play than Jinshi.
@@Layer-v5h Changli has some of the highest secondary DPS damage in the game.
Using Jinhsi, the most nuclear character in the game that doesn't really care about buffs as long as her forte is full, as the example is really dumb. Also Saint gave multiple reasons and you cherrypicking one of them is really dumb
@@coltonmarples4269 harder too use and less casual friendly
Like calcharo
That's not true. If you know how to quickswap changli duo dps with XY/Carlotta do more damage than with their "BiS" sub dps (Yinlin/Zhezhi). Calcs are there for you, a lot of videos of ppl that know how to use her are there for you. You like to call out other CC's for spreading misinformation yet you're doing the same here. You don't like the character? That's ok, you don't have to. Just don't be spreading misinformation about it just because you suck with it.
FR bro’s hardcore hypocrite. What’s more his ego is huge as tectone. 💀 💀
I mainly play Changli, on every content, i love her most than any other characters, and i'm sweating my a$$ off to get the most of her, it's really really hard and she asks a massive amount of investment in order to be competent. Yes, she is lacking in many things. Yes, i'll keep playing her that much for a long long time. People must stop trying to be delusionnal.
Sometimes I think saint isn't as good as he think he is
He isn’t, he just know the core mechanics of the game. Even then he doesn’t acknowledge quick swapping and only say it’s for sweats as if it’s something so difficult to do.
Oh no im good at the game and sweaty coz I can swap to other dps character during long skill animation and swap back. 💀
He's just hypocrite. He think he's better than other CC too yet he's also spreading misinformation that Changli is useless character and not worth getting just because he can't play her right
@@gravios9641he’s not saying she’s useless, just that you need MORE effort on her just to MAYBE match the other top tier dps.
@@Juryoku_he's still saying she's not worth getting, basically same as saying she's useless. That's just euphemisms
@@Juryoku_here is the thing. There is no maybe. And she is not a main DPS. She is a paired/dual DPS, put her with another damage dealer and she WILL outperform the “perfect” sub-dps for that damage dealer. An example is Yinlin-Yao being outperformed by Changli-Yao, even if it apparently makes no sense, that's the power of her swappable moveset.
Changli Mains slap the like button to help Saint get oiled up for the Valentines Day oiled up changli cosplay
Kuro has to either release a Sub-dps for Changli or bring a Dps that nukes everything with his/her Liberation under 10s to utilise her buff either or will be helpful
yeah and that dps be fusion lol
Changli quickswap teams are really spectacular and fun for those who is interested in sweaty gameplay. But she is NOT for the majority of players that's for sure.
I always find funny that the most popular character(outside of the game) in wuwa is the most hard to use😅
Aside from that dogshit comparison, post, and comments, the most shocking thing I learned is that changli becomes more naked as she goes through her rotations. Thanks for the info @Saintontas
This is the reason I pulled for her and not her weapon.
Eh, she just takes her jacket off
@LordArbiterLA based
Guys are we really gonna pretend that Quickswapping is hard? 💀
quickswapping isnt hard per se, but Changli is very hard
The next set of DPS units are gonna be coordinated attackers, if Hecate's different Sonata sets means anything
I knew she wasn't the best DPS when I pulled her, I pulled her because she's hot af and fun to play
I am playing (she is my main till now)with her since release...I would say she is powerful enough to clear content but if we compare her damage to another main dps... it's obviously low Becoz initially she is a support char with relatively high DMG so we play her a hybrid dps(role of dps and sub dps .. depends on team).....yeah that's it
And I don't even play her as quickswap unit
Props on you cause you understand it, unlike those other changli mains. 😭😭
I don't buy that "ChAnGLi doESn'T Do ThAt mUcH DaMaGE" bullshit. You don't use changli just for damage, she is objectively the most flexible character in game/in bed. All you had to do is to just practice how to utilize her abilities.
she is really good at quick swapping and clear ToA fast, can combo with all characters with quickswap ability, this bullshit not recommending Changli is noob as sht hhahaha
@thedendengaming I can see why most people don't recommend changli average players since most gacha players don't want to study the characters they're pulling for.
Changli is perfect for players who wants to OTP a character. She's the most fun character to build. Even I currently have 3 set build for her Fire dmg> moonlit > lingering tunes.
Pulling her dupes are also worth it since her 6th sequence ignores defense which will be useful at any situations.
@@bserver2424nah it not worth it.. skill issues if need s6.. unless u just wanna u best girl shine
@@bserver2424 I tried to pull her to S3 but the goddess of luck is not with me. but I can finish ToA with her, its just this time the ToA is hard, but I manage to boost her echoes to the point I 3* Floor 2 tempest with mortefi buffer, Just a little bit of quickswap to boost DPS. But these CCs treat there audience a noob crowd, they just want drama. hahaha
Shorekeeper is the most flexible character, not Changli.
Personally I think she's the second worst premium 5* just above Yinlin arguably if you discount Rover.
i love changli and i skip jinshi for her and thats big mistake. i struggle to complete content with her. maybe skill issue but when i use yanglio it is easier. i agree with him, maybe someone will come out soon and make her strong and i cant wait for it to happen because i love her.
Changli is hard to use, but if you mastered the Rotation and knowing quick swap timing between her and xiangliyao. Even on mobile you can mastered that team.
I have Changli Hypercarry, on my channel, overdrive zone with mid echo substats so.....skill issue
Played changli and carlotta in a team, very fun and i had no problem clearing the Toa. Both with the standard banner weapons.
i will pull for changli in re run and skip both the other character because she is a mommy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Western CC's cant Play changli Confirmed
Ok, so my only hot take is if Changli is not a sub-dps cuz she doesn't have off-field dmg then what the hell is Sanhua? She is not a main dps by far, and if is like you say the she is neither sub-dps, i don't think she is a healer maybe i'm wrong tho. Changli has outro buff cuz she is a sub-dps and the fact that none of the main dps roast has outro buff makes sense.
Yes, she is hard to play and that's not my point(I'm Jinhsi/Carlotta main btw) but i don't think is fair to compare her against others main dps characters, we don't do that with Sanhua then why would we do that with Changli? Roccia is literally a havoc version of her and i'm not seeing anyone talking that she is ass vs Jinhsi, Jiyan, XY, Carlotta and Camellya.
- "I don't like Jinshi because she's too easy to play"
- "I don't like Changli because she's too difficult to master"
- "I think Jiyan's cancel is the most difficult hypercarry skill to master"
- Jiyan is his main
Like what?
Yeah that's hypocrisy at it's best
It's all come down to his bias to Jiyan and how he can outperform others with his dope ass combo thingy, the double qing long?, as he can execute it with ease.
Pure hypocrisy. He call Changli bad because she's hard to master but didn't bat an eyes over mastering Jiyan ani cancel and even claim Jiyan being the hardest hypercarry to master 😂🤣 Tontas truly has the most braindead take
ah yes, Saint's most favorite play style, h̶y̶p̶e̶r̶c̶a̶r̶r̶y̶ hypocrisy
Context:
Jinshi gameplay is boring, its a straight up intro, q+ulti, batk1,2,3 and skill.
Chagli requires a lot of practices for a casual player to reach a dmg output comparable to a simple jiyan+mortefi.
Jiyan 8 qinqlong is the hardest hypercarry skill since the other HYPERCARRY have a much easier animation cancell:
jinshi: 1st e cancelled with ulti/dash cancel and batk4 with the 2nd e;
Carlotta: you mostly dont cancell anything and if you swap you lose buffs;
Camellya: the most difficult thing is maybe her double intro, which is easy, no cancells;
Encore: skill cancell and forte swap, pretty easy;
XY: you dont cancell;
Lingyang and calcharo: you can cancell but you lose dmg and calcharo loses a lot in hypercarry teams.
All of those things are meant to a CASUAL PLAYER's attention.
Maybe we can play the game and actually listen to what he says in the video instead of jumping to the comments to hate
I just started the game so I don't really know much about changli, but I feel like she's just a character that you can test with different teams, I even saw changli and carlotta together.
You have a big skill issue my bro. And stop assuming all players want braindead gameplay like Jiyan's, this is wuwa ffs not genshin.
What's the problem with having a difficult character? That's the point of quickswaping. She's the queen of quickswap for something, just like how XY works great for quickswap too
Buddy everyone knows , wtf were you watching, he clearly said changli need more investment then other characters and how to execute them properly ( I am a changli main for a long time and knows this very well)
Also he never assumed anything, he gave a honest fact about a character so people who wanna pull them know what they are getting
Also how is clearly all holograms and toa a skill issue ?
Here's my take: changli doesn't play like other limited characters. because her "rotation" has no field time, with a good quickswap main dps, you can basically play rotationless. I love that i can play by instinct and have 90% of her current potential woth xly instead of static rotations
Proud changli main.
Wallenstein with his Changli Quickswap :
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I have a feeling Brant will be her hubby for the fire team
I love both and hope this should be a thing
Yes with new echos
brant's leak had him showing his sword glowing violet. bro is electro or havoc
@@somegalulbad642nah he's buffing fusion and heavy atk + shield, he's definitely fusion
Next video about Changli:
BRANT SAVED CHANGLI.
looks like he isnt getting away with it anymore :)
all the slander of best girl changli is catching up to him.
Slander is something based in lies, when did Saint lied?
@@ivanmartinez743 just spreading my agenda my guy.
@@ivanmartinez743 Dunno about lying, but he definitely makes claims about character he clearly doesn't know how to play at all. This was painfully obvious in his "How to Play Every DPS in Wuthering Waves" video and Changli isn't the only one. Saint know core game mechanics well, he's very good at Jiyan and that's it. Everything else he makes up with way too big ego.
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The only thing that I had to say would be that Changli basically has the same outro skill as yinlin which basically means if changli had a xiangliyao equivalent of a fusion DPS, she more or less would maybe have the same job as her . damage is something nice to add maybe But I believe her strength in the future lies in her overall supporting capabilities( copium)
God these changli mains are so atrocious. The character itself is top tier design-wise but some changli mains makes you hate her by how much glazing they do with her character to the point of being delusional, like she cured their cancer or something. 😂
Exactly, man. No one is saying that Changli is a bad unit, but you need to really play her well to see good results. And even then, there are other 5* units that can do what she does with less effort and greater pay-off. That's just how she was designed.
This is not just changli mains. Any 5 star mains will be just as annoying if saint calls your favorite 5 star the worst limited character in the game. This is not exclusive to changli mains
@@Cramp-m5w nah changli mains are definitely the loudest.
@@xegazekk2694 I would argue if calls jinshi a bad character they would be even worse just saying. You need to stop thinking this is only changli mains. You would probably do the same if he calls your favorite png character bad
@@Cramp-m5w not really, he would literally just be wrong then. 😂
I wouldn't bother conversing to a person that doesn't know what he's or she's talking about. Tho my favorite is indeed a Jinhsi.
12:50 I have to assume, for my sanity, he meant the battle pass gauntlet. Which for a light spender is absolutely a viable option.
nah, i just was thinking it had the same main stats as the sword im dumb lol
@@killuad0 Holy shit, it really is you! I'm not going to say you're a complete tard. I'm a fellow Changli simp. But if you're going to nerd sass, double check your work before you put it out there.
Changli may be inefficient resources-wise since you need to build 2 characters for just 1 team in ToA (she can work in hypercarry teams with, for instance, Sanhua, but it's not that great and also Encore exists), but astrite-wise you get a very flexible character who can be slotted in basically any team since she can both buff and deal good damage. Her sig is also only 11% stronger compared to EoG (according to wutheringlab) so skipping her weapon isn't that big of a damage loss for her compared to most other limited characters.
Also, y'all are overestimating how high Changli's skill floor is, sure her skill ceiling with all the quickswaps is really high, but her skill floor is literally just:
intro > TS charge > plunge > basics > Inferno Rider > TS conquest > E > TS conquest > E > TS conquest > forte > ult > forte > outro
Then when you finish your second dps' rotation and you can give 2 intros to Changli you can go:
intro > TS charge > E > Inferno Rider > TS conquest > intro > TS charge > E > TS conquest > forte > ult > forte > outro.
(With Nightmare Inferno Rider, you can just use it at the end of the rotation before outro)
Looks complicated written down like this, but it's really easy to do once you get used to it.
And yes, if both your Changli and your second dps are built this is really all you need to do with her on a duo dps team, no quickswaps needed at all. Sure you won't be getting any speedrun times with this rotation but you'll do so much damage anyway you'll still be able to clear ToA just fine in under 2 minutes.
Yes, her skill ceiling is high but her skill floor is not as high as people make it out to be, Saint is making people think casuals players investing in Changli is a bad investment compared to other DPS.
As a Changli main myself I agree mostly.
She's definitely worse than any other character in the game for anyone who isn't quick swaping which is most players.
The part I personally disagree with or I think you exaggerated a little, is quick swaping doesn't really take that much time to learn compare to other mechanics in other games. In gacha games and a lot of the 1.0 updates of Wuwa, there wasnt a ton of content. Like it's not crazy to spend an extra 30 minutes a day to practice and learn it if you enjoy that playstyle. Doing that took me a few weeks, and gave me something to do when the game had no content in 1.1 and 1.2. Even the sweatiest players in wuwa are still by enlarge casual gamers in general. So I do think you're very much overexaterating how long that mechanic takes to learn. Imo it takes longer to learn one Elden Ring boss fight than it does to learn Changli QS.
I play Changli bc she's fun. I'm not even that good a Qs probably but idc bc to me if you take away QS in Wuwa, the combat isn't any different than an other gacha action game (Genshin, PGR, ZZZ). But i totally understand ppl who don't feel like learning it or don't have fun doing it, perfectly understandable
The only thing i disagree with you saint, is talking about the time investment. Bc RNG is involved for unlocking your substats, it can take from a few hours(VERY lucky) to a few weeks to get a good echo set. So yes, it is believable that he has the same amount of time investment to his Changli to his other characters
I think Saint was talking about overall "investment", which the OP (might have went out of his way to) give Changli signature weapon and S1, yet Xiangli Yao has a 4 star weapon and Jiyan has a 5 star non-crit standard weapon, and that makes the investment clearly imbalanced.
@kenchen704 even getting the S1R1 Changli is down to RNG, and we don't know if that is the case, i.e. I got my S1R1 Changli in more or less 140 pulls, didn't lose the 50/50 and got 2 Changlis within one 10 pull, and for my shorekeeper it took more or less the same amount of pulls just to get S0R0.
@@matt_strunkyep im the op and got the S1R1 Changli in 120 pulls while Jiyan S0 in 140 pulls (Xiangli Yao i did some pulls in the weapon but nothing crazy like 20 pulls and didnt come
edit: also for stats i probably have more farming time for Xiangli Yao than Changli but he never once did leave the state i put him in the 1.2 release, i guess im not lucky.
We goin JingYuan mains route with this one !!!
As a casual Wuwa player with a full roster (minus ice midget) I can confirm I dropped Changli for literally anyone else. She's one of the best for overworld farming, and I don't even use her for that.
Oh yeah. At the end of ver 1 i was exclusively farming echos using changli/xly and now switching to Carlotta im feeling the time lost because even at UL 80, the overworld mobs are weak enough for changli half rot to end them while meanwhile Carlotta being a very backloaded dps it feels a waste todo a whole rot so she gets enough energy to ult on a few teddy bears
As a Changli main I cant wait for Brants banner so he can be the perfect sub dps support for my Changli.
17:07 that is just untrue in every way, Changli is meant for trve patricians who favor engaging, high skill gameplay and are successful enough that they can afford to invest into learning a game's mechanics and challenge themselves
There are those who like to LARP as those belonging to this higher caste, but make no mistake, they are only wearing the skin of people who genuinely know the game
A Changli main knows how to and can play every team with ease, and probably does so, humbly enjoying the sheer variety that VVuthering VVaves offers, while the unwashed ones can only feign an aura of elitism
Also like c'mon WW isn't DMC or Tekken, pressing directional keys on time and reading what sonata sets and skills do isn't some kind of insane esoteric knowledge
I'm a Changli main purely because I play Waifu/Fun over Meta. These people are insane for engaging with meta content, and create drama, when they can't even be honest and show genuine numbers. Just sours the game for everyone else.
Can't wait what Kuro is cooking for her sub or support
Brant seems to be a fusion sword user, or at least thats what his drip marketing suggests, so yeah, Changli's partner is coming soon
i don't think it is coming so soon sadly :/
I carry a Saintontas Flag in my heart, but even though what they say about you is total bs,
SAINT, my MAN, you don't play ChangLi, not even well.
She's not the best, she's not better than the other limited characters, she doesn't need it, but she's also not fully fledged like the others.
Perfectly playable with only one hand.
So sandbagging Jiyan and Xiangli Yao aside, I think the main reason people are playing Changli is of course not the numbers but how fun she is to play. I think we know she isnt dishing out the T0 level of damage, but animations and playstyle are one thing people play these games for. Yes her damage isnt the highest and you can not recommend her sure, but you are kinda dissing people that do have her. Again its not because of her damage and whenever a Xiangli Yao Fusion character comes out she'll have her niche then, but right now people are just enjoying her quickswap nature even when her damage isnt the highest
As a Changli main, im just gonna stfu
When i got Changli first, i was honestly a bit underwhelmed by her performance since i was comparing her to Jinhsi, who is still a tier 0 dps even now. But, as of now, Changli became my favorite comfort character to play in overworld & soloing floor 2 & 3 of the side towers (which means i only need two teams & Changli one-woman army to consistently 30/30 TOA). Mind u, she is S0R1 & still performs well enough to never leave her space in both TOA & Overworld farming. Also, playing Changli made me appreciate quickswap playstyle a lot more, since the standard hypercarry style got a bit boring after a while, & Changli can spice things up as long as you can feed are intro skills & mind the timings. So yes, from a pure meta standpoint, Changli is not a top tier broken dps, but she makes up for it by her synergistic quick swappable teams with many characters, interesting playstyle & amazing visuals. Afterall, it’s always waifu over meta, and yet Changli does not fall behind that much compared to other dps to be called “bad” imo.
Thanks for the video!
While watching it, I completed "Dance Dance Chelonian!" Side quest, and was somehow shocked that music in the ending of your video was THAT music from the quest 😹
Great taste I'd say
Changli mains out here casually making the rest of us look bad, smh.
I’d love for Changli to deal insane damage like other characters, but that’s not the reality, and I’m okay with it. I didn’t pull her because she’s strong-I pulled her because I like her more than any other character, both in design and gameplay. So trying to artificially make this narrative is just comical, icl.
For someone with (in my own opinion) average skill, I think Changli does not match up to Jihnsi or Carlotta. All my DPS characters have their signature weapons. Jihnsi sequence 1, Camellya sequence 2, Changli sequence 2, and Carlotta sequence 0. I can say for sure that Changli has the worst performance. For her defence, I think she’s extremely skill dependent. She’ll probably be at a better place as well once we get a fusion character that has a big portion of their damage in their Liberation.
With all respect..... this crashout just because we like to play a character. Come on man lol
This "crashout" exists coz they made a dumb reddit post about him. Dont go and play the victim here 🤡
I have a theory, Changli is from the future. She's a sub-dps from patch 3.0 but got released early for some reason, that's the reason why she's doing DPS similar to current main-dps's while she still has a support Outro! I mean, that's how it is in most gachas, 3.0 sub-dps will do the same or more dmg than 1.0 main dps!
Jokes aside, Changli helped me clear ToA for quite a few weeks before I got Carlotta. I didn't have any other strong DPS except XGL Yao so whenever there was a Memphis, Changli was my go-to DPS!
Lil bro thought they cooked lol
Have these same ppl played Calcharo? He is the hardest character to play in this game. Changli is easier to play compared to him
Oh wait, it's Knolliboy! This is the deep lore of how he initially got banned, but somehow turned into one of Saint's biggest supporters. That's absolutely crazy.
now i normally agree with saint here, but changli does the most consistent damage with medium effort of learning how to use her properly. i personally find XY hard to use and thus not worth building
I fear we won't be getting a Fusion main DPS who can work well with Changli for a couple patches yet xd
We got Phoebe dripmarketing recently, so it's almost certain she's going to be the first character of 2.1. We know she is Spectro, and most likely a main DPS of some sort that relies on Spectro Frazzle. And none of the other Echo sets appear to work for a Fusion/Resonance Liberation character. So they probably won't appear on x.1 patch like Changli, and 2.1 will be like 5th patch since Changli?
Well, this is my deduction/conjecture, but:
The only one that could possibly work is "Tidebreaking Courage", since its 5pc bonus is general attribute damage if you hit at least 250% ER, but the 4-cost Echo is the Dragon, which gives Fusion and Basic Attack damage.
So unless we're getting an unannounced limited version of Encore who Ults a lot and is a sea captain, guys, I think it's just Brant's set. I mean, who else could use a set literally named "Tidebreaking Courage" than Captain Brant Sparrow, with the Overlord Echo living on the same mountain below and near which we meet the dude, and is basically his home base.
So unless Brant is a main DPS, and actually turns out to be Fusion, Changli will continue gathering dust, and Changli Mains will continue to seethe.
Honestly it's kinda sad, because while these "Changli Mains" seem unhinged, I really like Changli. She's not that good in endgame due to lacking a dedicated team, but she's nevertheless a lot of fun to play casually, and her animations are amazing. Also, she's hot, can't forget about that. Though until a Fusion main DPS releases who can take advantage of her, she'll continue gathering dust, only coming out to clear lower Floors in the Tower.
yeah we "unhinged changli mains" need to sadly wait :
@@killuad0 And it probably won't be before 2.4 lol. Because Phoebe obviously is Spectro, Brant who got dripmarketed today - no idea, but probably Fusion buffer? Since the Tidebreaking Courage set requires 250% ER, which is usually a support kind of thing.
None of the other sets will be for Fusion main DPS, so we need to wait for the next big patch in 2.x, maybe with a new big region of Rinascita, which would hopefully add new sonata sets. Copium that there is a set for Fusion main DPS.
@@mikoajbaszczyszyn4568 yeah, probably just when a big update happens that we will receive a New set + Fusion Main DPS, so we need to wait big time for it
8:21 bro is duilding defense Xiangling Yao and comparing his damage with an S1 Changli
Bro you are not realistic at all XD She is actaully doing that much dmg compared to other dps, just look at maygi, look at more people clears. You are going to do the same clear on same amount of invesment and even if you can't clear faster you are literally behind a little. I'm not even talking about that post. I main changli, i suck at her and i clear every toa anyway (doesn't matter i know) but i do that with sanhua. The point is your "math" doesn't add up. If your xiangli yao/yinlin clear toa with 3:10 left for example and your changli/sanhua clear with 3:00 barely, the amount of improvement you can do in this team could be even 30sec and you don't even need that much to get it, when in xiangli yao team you will get like 10-15 second which will still give you faster clear on changli. If you don't do dmg with changli is always build or just skill issue nothing more. I don't deny that you need to be a little sweaty on her, but saying that she is bad in terms of pure numbers etc is just wrong, you are talking about the character that has the most room to optimaze her
no you
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I can smell Saint hating on Carlotta next since she's even easier than Jinhsi to play :| poor my girls
The main problem with Changli at her current state was that she doesn't have the most synergistic teammates available to her, leading to these quickswap styles to make the most of her, though It's looking like Brandt is gonna be that unit that synergizes perfectly with her, being a Fusion character focused on Liberation damage, with his outro boosting Fusion and Skill damage. Can't wait to pull for him in 2.1!
6:17 You don't always have to ult on gold stellar realm. It's more efficient to ult with Yao at the start and build concerto energy for your other characters by the time his second ult is used, you have all yinlin and shorekeeper buffs active
just a remark on ragebait
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rage bait is as simple as the name intails. baiting for rage, doesn't matter if u r correct or wrong, as long as its a bait and it makes people rage or anything close to feeling of being attacked that means ragebait.
wat is EXACTLY wat ur 90% of content is.
doesn't mean its bad, simply acknowledge it that that dudes text is correct and like Mr-fail to see cause eyes closed pokke my ass daddy 3000 u create ragebait and thrive on this content. SO DONT SAY HE WRONG WEN HE RIGHT.
its a take on specific time spamp mark of ur vid.
Man the cheng li support in the comments saying otherwise n i agree 😂 u need multiple teams anyways and if you clearing u clearing. This aint star rail where zero cycling is the only way
u use words like sweaty and disgusting when talking about the most beautiful playstyle in the game like wtf? ive never seen anyone else say its so freakin hard or call it disgusting like wtf?!
Honestly i wish the CCs making guides prior to recommending her in her banner run did what saint said. I was told that "shes amazing but you just need to play high skill todo so" so i pulled her and while now being UL80 with many different teams and good echos so i can now clear TOA with her, on the time i pulled her she was next to useless. Because i was still a new-ish player atm with both skill issue and not alot of resources, wasting alot of them and time farming her set for even encore todo similar damage with less skill needed and less investment felt bad. And tbh while i like to feel skilled by playing her now, I would have probably not pulled her in ver 1 if i knew prior how she is
Like what saint said, changli is a great dps if you input both the skill and investment needed for her (not talking about s6 but stuff like a great set and well built support/2nd dps too), while meanwhile many other dpses would output similar damage with much less skill and investment needed (plus do quite a bit more damage if using similar lvl investment) which is what a new player appreciates the most.
Yeah as a jinhsi main (played her since release) I agree with what Saint is saying I more or less only use her in toa or if I want to turn my brain off
Imagine a Jinshi main calling Changli's gameplay a no-brainer. Bro, Jinshi's gameplay is literally just building her concerto using sub-DPS characters, swapping to her, and then clicking the resonance skill. What are you even talking about?
@@iamnoone5960 imagine needing to learn how to play your character just to get 40% of the way to jinhsi's damage
Chixia has just enough time to use regular inferno rider + 30 bullets dakadaka + ult before changli's buff expires
@Saintontas, I have a question, is Changli good for a quickswap team for carlotta? I saw a lot of videos explaining why quickswap is better or equal in dps terms to hypercarry with zhezhi, I have changli and playing the quickswap but im not sure if its rlly that good, I would like ur opinion in this matter
I still love playing her with Encore in the Tower, from time to time. The playstyle is fun and the animations are very pretty. Cant wait for Zani and Brant to release to maybe round out her Team^^
It's the second time I found a character that is a SubDPS as a Main DPS. How many times will I commit this error?
I love Saintontas's content, but man these thumbnails are exhausting. I'm sure its working for him. Imma head out guys. Thanks Saint.
Changli is my favourite character to play.
Im not a changli main, I have her rpoperly built, but what's so hard about Changli's gameplay? Do I just smell skill issue?
idk man, i always get faster clears with Changli, she even outperforms my well invested Camellya by a lot
u 🧢 too much bruh💀
I know saint isn't generalizing all Changli mains out there, but yes, I am in love with this png as a Changli main. But bruh these delusional children from reddit make me cringe so much I'm glad I don't hang out there.
Wuwa reddit acts like they are above everyone else but they themselves are the ones who got butt hurt when someone doesn’t agree with them or criticize the game.
me!