Thank you! I find it very difficult to get some real world data on speaker systems and I wanted to give people some real data to make a decision for themselves. Very few guys are putting out more than just their opinion. These are two very nice 2-Ways but the DV12 does things a bit better in all aspects except high frequency response. However, I didn't realize when I shot this video that there was an update to the DSP that is suppose to make the DV12 perform and sound even better. I will be getting it soon and if I still have the RCF I will at least compare them in my garage.
One thing i notice in all new modern cabinets is that 8000kz response, is attenuated, because plastic horns, will distort or go in resonance. that's why i prefer DIY cabinets, with metalic horns. That's when you get that crystal highs & people like it, cause vocals are natural.
The dip around 6k is the same for both speakers and I suspect a bit of that is due to floor bounce. A dual-channel FFT may have helped weed that out with shorter bursts. Also, keep in mind that the RCF has a MUCH lower HF crossover point that sets around 700hz. This may be why there is a slight dip around 800hz - 1khz as phase shifts between the crossovers and floor bounce interact. Another factor to consider is that the lower crossover point with the RCF allows it to have more frequencies that are produced by the horn, which means more potential for directional control. If a speaker has greater directional control, it should have lower output at frequencies in which it can control off-axis. Which from an objective standpoint the RCF is the winner in terms of directional control. Both of those boxes are essentially omnidirectional at all frequencies below 500hz. This is why there isn't much loss below that point off-axis with either speaker. The BassBoss is touted as a 120* coverage box. So it should have fairly even response well beyond 60*. The RCF is spec'd as a 60* box and at 60* you should see some deviation. The throw of a speaker is a misnomer. Speakers do not " throw sound ". They are bound by physics and the inverse square law is the big one that deals with how far speakers will project sound. The Inverse Square Law prescribes that for every doubling of distance, you lose -6db in sound pressure level. For example, if you measure 100db at 25', at 50' you should only have about a 94db SPL. This assumes free space though, so your indoor test does skew that a little as the reflections in the room will contribute to maintaining SPL. The results in this test seem to hold pretty true to the inverse square law with roughly a -6db loss at 75' with both speakers. Lastly, you are seeing only a 1-3db difference in either speaker give or take. While the BassBoss shows roughly 3db more output, it is likely to be louder by that much in any given test, so no surprise there. 3db is for all intents and purposes a minuscule #. That is only just enough change in SPL for most people to even detect. While a really well-trained ear can detect a 1db ( some even less ) change in SPL, the average listener requires 3db. All this means is that the BassBoss has 3db more output when the limiter light flickers that the RCF. My test would have been to see when you can measure no change in output while not having audible distortion, this may mean getting well into limiting on both speakers. The RCF I know for a fact has a soft limiter, which is a limiter designed to deal with the thermal needs of the speaker so it will limit a little early, but very little, which means there may have been another few db in potential output before it actually went into hard limiting. I am not certain about the BassBoss as it doesn't say if it uses soft limiting or not? My only point is that while taking measurements at the point in which the limit light illuminates is one metric to test by, it doesn't truly show that one speaker is louder than the other. And with the output difference between them being roughly 3db, it is not really much to worry about. All that being said, the results you are seeing for the BassBoss do appear based on my math to be 100% quantifiable and possible. So it is very likely that the DV12 simply gets 3db louder than the RCF. The RCF has the same peak ratings and in theory, should produce 3db more SPL. Now whether it does or not is of course up to objective testing, if you turn it up, will it get louder? As for what does what best, I would say that the off-axis results for the RCF show that it is performing as the specs suggest it should. More or less, from an objective standpoint, the RCF is only -3db quieter than the BassBoss at any given point within its design criterion. The BassBoss should have more SPL though, it has almost 1000 watts more to work with. That extra 1000 watts isn't worth 3db, but it is worth nearly 1.5db and depending on how they work their DSP, could give them more level before the limiter kicks in. From a numbers standpoint, the RCF has a speaker sensitivity of 101db at 1 watt 1 meter, a very possible number. The BassBoss has a sensitivity of about 99db for 1 watt at 1 meter, a VERY true and likely number. If the RCF had the same 99db sensitivity as the BassBoss ( which is more likely to be the truth ), it would produce about 3db less output. How RCF came to its numbers I can't say, but the math does add up and the RCF seems plausibly able to produce what it says it will. I think the only thing that will really separate these speakers is a person's subjective opinion about the objective results. Aside from a listening test, I would say these speakers are very comparable to each other.
All great points here and I appreciate you tuning in and offering your thoughts. Your end conclusion sums it up and what it really comes down to (A persons subjective opinion). After having lots of time to play music and listen to these two side by side, I can confidently deduce that they are a very comparable box. Both are great speakers and are probably two of the best Two-Way boxes Ive heard. One does produce more bass out of a 12" driver. The Bassboss is better off axis and to my ears, much smoother, and less harsh at high volume. Im not knocking the TT because it has better DSP control and ergonomically better. I guess it comes down to what the application is but for me personally I will choose Bassboss for these reasons after my own independent testing. 1. Better coverage/ less drop off in sound off axis. 2. Scalability (You can invert and with rigging hardware stack two for coupling of the HF and LF drivers and use more subs for bigger events 3. Sound quality (It doesn't pierce my ears at high volume (Sounds good without and tuning) 4. Bassboss is a company that keeps you up to date with product development. They have sent me new drivers and updated the DSP cards over the years free of charge, keeping me up to date with the latest technology they have to offer. My experience with RCF is that you get what you get at the time of purchase. For that reason I give Bassboss the edge in customer service. RCF has good service too but not as good as Bassboss. Thanks for tuning in and thanks for dropping your knowledge in here!
13 Sound, stage, & lighting it would only be more like for like. The 12” version of the RCF has less output than the Bassboss. I am certain the tests would show that. Now I am not one that believes spl alone is a metric to worry about as much. If there were a 5-6db difference perhaps, but 3db is really nothing that will EVER make or break a show. It really all comes down to needs. If you must have 100db @ 50’ then you must have a speaker which is capable of getting you that number. Up to around 25’ for most conventional speakers is all that you can really care about. Beyond that physics really hurt you. Basically my point is that if you can get the spl you need at 25’, anything else out to 50’ and beyond is a gift. 12”, 15” or 10”, doesn’t matter, as long as you can get the spl you need over the frequency range you need. The system design needs to factor many criterion’s. Size of the speaker may be one of them. I prefer smaller speakers and feel a 12” design provides the best balance between performance, weight and sonic quality. If I need a front full speaker though, I am looking for as small as I can get. Sight lines, actual spl needs and overall system performance needs should dictate what you employ, not just a number on a spec sheet. Smaller speakers tend to cost less, so bigger may not always mean better. Buy the speaker that exceeds your needs and sets within your design criterion and you can’t go wrong.
@@atech9020 I UNDERSTAND, BUT I THINK I AM GOING TO GET A PAIR OF DV12'S TO SEE IF YOUR RIGHT. WHY? 2 reasons 1. there are other videos with the same two speakers comparisons saying the rcf is louder. 2. the tt25a and tt22a is in the same class. the tt2a is the next step up.
13 Sound, stage, & lighting yes I agree the tt2 would be a far better comparison.. sounds a lot better than the tt25, and probably louder. There’s no way a dv12 would keep up with a tt2.. different league!
I must say, I appreciate how thorough you were in making this comparison. I currently own 2x Bassboss VS21 subs and absolutely love them! I currently use EV ETX-35P tops and am saving to get the new DV12Mk2's. Bassboss's client service is second to none!
How do you deal with moving those VS21's around? Do you do gigs solo or require an assistant? I just sold my 4 Danley TH-118's and want to downsize. I'm considering the BB SSP118's but I read a lot of folks do the VS21's. They're just really big though and I feel I'll have problems loading them in and out of my pickup truck...
@@jack3400 I find it hard to tell with accuracy considering I last played on my Danleys in 2016. Plus, I only use playback music. I will say the BB subs I have outclass any single 18 I’ve ever heard from your typical PA box store (Yamaha, QSC, EV, Yorkville, JBL, Turbosound, etc.)
Nice comparasion, but next time when doing comparasion between two speaker you should use a dual channel fft analyser like smaart v8, the results would be way more precise, and you could also see the phase response of the speaker. Anyway, great video !
I appreciate your feedback and I couldn't agree more, but unfortunately I do not have that software. If I have more requests for reviews in the future and speaker companies are willing to send out the units for testing, I will probably just invest in Smaart. Either way, by using the same room and same unit to measure, it at least gives you an idea of what performs better where.
Rcf for the win. It’s amazing that It gave you a consistent volume overall in frequencies 300hz and up at 25ft which will be your average distance of people during a show for dancing. which is exactly what you need to when using a separate woofer. That meAns the rcf will actually sound louder and more clear throughout the whole gig vs the bass boss with inconsistent frequency volumes at those frequencies. Although you may feel the bass boss sounds better with the bass. The bass is an easy fix especially when using an external woofer. I just don’t see the worth of almost double the price for a bass boss when it’s missing almost all of the frequencies you need using a full range system🤷🏾♂️ especially for a 1-3 db difference since the human ear will find it hard to differentiate that sound in real time.
They were very close overall. The RCF sounded louder to my ears but it is much more harsh at high volume. I think that perception of louder to my ear was the HF boost that RCF seems to have even when playing flat. The Bassboss is much easier on the ear even at high spl. They are both great speakers. If you want overall loudness, the RCF wins. If you want a better sound, the Bassboss was the winner. These are just my own opinions from being able to compare. For the difference in cost, I agree it is hard to justify.
@@FinestEventss i think you’re absolutely right on the rcf sounding louder maybe and even harsher but it’s probably due to the fact that it doesn’t need to be soo loud to project those mid to high frequencies. It only makes sense. But it was probably meant to shine with an external woofer instead of a stand alone which is my thought, when using a full range system the rfc will sound better and fill in the gaps much cleaner than the bass boss. Thanks for this man. I’ve always wondered how these compared.
One thing that doesn't seem to have been taken into consideration was the very narrow vertical dispersion of the DV12. Over short distances this could have a big effect on the measured frequency response dependent on the height of the measurement mic. I seem to recall that David (Bassboss) Lee suggested in an interview that the DV12 shouldn't be flown/mounted above about 6 feet above the ground, probably for this very reason - the drop in output at high frequencies at 25 feet could be explained by this (the RCF, with it's wider vertical dispersion pattern would not be affected so much by a mix at, say, 5 feet above ground level. I am waiting to see the results of the listening test (both with and without subs) - the Bassboss seems to be winning in the measured results (bearing in my my earlier comments about measurement mic height).
In this video the speaker was 6 feet to the bottom but also keep in mind the Hf driver on the BB has a 4 degree downward cant too. However, these are some really good observations and its hard to say what the outcome would be but I think your theory makes complete sense. I just wanted to be as real world as possible. I personally always put my speakers around this height at mobile events so sound spreads throughout the room and it doesn't blast people that are sitting right in front of them. If you watch Video 2 to this series I go over all the measurements of speaker placement and RTAA Mic placement. Hopefully I can get around to shooting video 4 soon which will include my personal listening experience.
@@FinestEventss Which one would say has better sound quality (separation, clarity, accuracy and tonal richness?) I am looking to buy new tops, and would greatly appreciate your input
@@jack3400 I personally prefer the sound of the DV12 and is what I kept and currently still own (MK2). Since this review Bassboss has come out with MK2 and now MK3 versions. They have improved every version. I have been told but haven't heard the MK3 is even better. They are two completely different sounds. IMO the DV12 at high volume remains smooth and not harsh. It seems to my ears that the TT has a louder high end but at the sacrifice of sound quality. They hurt my ears at high volume and tend to have a boost in high frequencies as shown by my testing. I would give the Bassboss DV12 MK2 or MK3 a good look. I have heard good about the HDM45a too, but it has a similar syle horn to the TT and I have never heard them to confirm. Good luck in your search as sound is so subjective.
If you put rcf at 60 degrees though... I'm willing to bet it would fail miserably. In my opinion one of the main reasons to go bassboss is for the wide dispersion without a line array. Appreciate the comparison, nice job.
@@FinestEventss that's good to hear about the mk2. I hear they're rolling out new dsp as well that is mind-blowing but I've only heard from people with the subs (not sure it applies). Worth the pricetags you think?
@@fnscomedycrew I honestly do feel they are worth it. A great thing about Bassboss is that as they improve, they update their customers. They recently updated my VS21's and you can definitely hear a difference.
@@FinestEventss Well, I may have to pick up a pair then for the post-pandemic surge in social gatherings? Fingers crossed. It's quite the investment for me being unsure about the payoff. I've definitely decided to pick up a zv28 but it feels wrong pairing that with jbl prxs.
@@fnscomedycrew I can say this, you are doing it for your clients and your own personal preference. I can't say that I make additional money because of the speakers I bring. That lays on your talent level, unless you do live sound. However, please sell those PRX's and go bass boss. They are designed to be paired together and the clarity/dispersion is so much better. I totally understand from a financial standpoint tho. Especially with our industry right now. Best of luck
Can't wait for the music comparison. I'm looking for a pair of tops to go with my VS21's. Right now I have the RCF 735's and held off buying the DV12's. I heard the DV12's several times but I'm still on the fence. What do you think of the VS21's? I have yet to use both of my indoors.
Do yourself a favor and get the DV12's. The RCF are boosted in the high frequencies and get very harsh at high volume. It is proven in this video. They also have bad off Axis coverage (unless you like that). Also, you may want to listen again to an updated version of the DV12. They have undergone some new DSP updates that have taken care of some of the issues of previous versions. Thats the nice thing about Bassboss, when they make something better they help you get it at little to no cost. They are constantly evolving and making things better. I love my VS21's. No one puts out bass like they do, especially when you couple them. A pair with one DV12 hits hard and clear!
@@FinestEventss Thanks for the reply, someone on the Serato forum said they were updating the DSP in the DV'12's but I haven't heard the results until now.What was the issue with the previous version of the DV12's? When will you have the latest video?
@@tremorb2998 I didn't have the update when I did this video. I think the results would have been even more in favor of the DV12 had I had them. The previous issue is that the woofer would bottom out way faster than the HF driver. This issue is suppose to be solved among other tweaks and improvements to the frequency response in all 4 presets.
Finest Events i wasn’t impressed with 905as mk ii HA 1100watt amp my arse, just being straight maybe 1100watts on paper but open it up you can see stamped frame driver and the amp looks very same as the the 700watt amp designs very
@@MobilediscowirralCoUk when it comes to subs, I don't think RCF makes that great of ones. Bassboss Subs will hands down destroy their stuff when it comes to music reproduction and output in the Subwoofer category. Ive owned both and the quality is not even close.
@@DonLee480 Sorry I never did video 4 but the DV12 outperformed it in the majority of ways. I currently own DV12 MK2's since this comparison if that helps you decide.
Unfortunately I dropped the ball on the 4th video. We did compare and measure them. The RCF was brighter in the HF with less low end. The Bassboss has substantially more bass. I have since ordered the MK2 version of the DV12 and it is even better.
Man this is great; really appreciate how thorough y’all have been.
Thank you! I find it very difficult to get some real world data on speaker systems and I wanted to give people some real data to make a decision for themselves. Very few guys are putting out more than just their opinion. These are two very nice 2-Ways but the DV12 does things a bit better in all aspects except high frequency response. However, I didn't realize when I shot this video that there was an update to the DSP that is suppose to make the DV12 perform and sound even better. I will be getting it soon and if I still have the RCF I will at least compare them in my garage.
Thanks for the thorough comparison. I'm looking forward to Part 4.
No problem, thanks for watching!
@@FinestEventss did you ever do part 4?
So which one did you like better of the two?
One thing i notice in all new modern cabinets is that 8000kz response, is attenuated, because plastic horns, will distort or go in resonance.
that's why i prefer DIY cabinets, with metalic horns.
That's when you get that crystal highs & people like it, cause vocals are natural.
The dip around 6k is the same for both speakers and I suspect a bit of that is due to floor bounce. A dual-channel FFT may have helped weed that out with shorter bursts. Also, keep in mind that the RCF has a MUCH lower HF crossover point that sets around 700hz. This may be why there is a slight dip around 800hz - 1khz as phase shifts between the crossovers and floor bounce interact. Another factor to consider is that the lower crossover point with the RCF allows it to have more frequencies that are produced by the horn, which means more potential for directional control. If a speaker has greater directional control, it should have lower output at frequencies in which it can control off-axis. Which from an objective standpoint the RCF is the winner in terms of directional control. Both of those boxes are essentially omnidirectional at all frequencies below 500hz. This is why there isn't much loss below that point off-axis with either speaker. The BassBoss is touted as a 120* coverage box. So it should have fairly even response well beyond 60*. The RCF is spec'd as a 60* box and at 60* you should see some deviation.
The throw of a speaker is a misnomer. Speakers do not " throw sound ". They are bound by physics and the inverse square law is the big one that deals with how far speakers will project sound. The Inverse Square Law prescribes that for every doubling of distance, you lose -6db in sound pressure level. For example, if you measure 100db at 25', at 50' you should only have about a 94db SPL. This assumes free space though, so your indoor test does skew that a little as the reflections in the room will contribute to maintaining SPL. The results in this test seem to hold pretty true to the inverse square law with roughly a -6db loss at 75' with both speakers.
Lastly, you are seeing only a 1-3db difference in either speaker give or take. While the BassBoss shows roughly 3db more output, it is likely to be louder by that much in any given test, so no surprise there. 3db is for all intents and purposes a minuscule #. That is only just enough change in SPL for most people to even detect. While a really well-trained ear can detect a 1db ( some even less ) change in SPL, the average listener requires 3db. All this means is that the BassBoss has 3db more output when the limiter light flickers that the RCF. My test would have been to see when you can measure no change in output while not having audible distortion, this may mean getting well into limiting on both speakers. The RCF I know for a fact has a soft limiter, which is a limiter designed to deal with the thermal needs of the speaker so it will limit a little early, but very little, which means there may have been another few db in potential output before it actually went into hard limiting. I am not certain about the BassBoss as it doesn't say if it uses soft limiting or not? My only point is that while taking measurements at the point in which the limit light illuminates is one metric to test by, it doesn't truly show that one speaker is louder than the other. And with the output difference between them being roughly 3db, it is not really much to worry about.
All that being said, the results you are seeing for the BassBoss do appear based on my math to be 100% quantifiable and possible. So it is very likely that the DV12 simply gets 3db louder than the RCF. The RCF has the same peak ratings and in theory, should produce 3db more SPL. Now whether it does or not is of course up to objective testing, if you turn it up, will it get louder? As for what does what best, I would say that the off-axis results for the RCF show that it is performing as the specs suggest it should. More or less, from an objective standpoint, the RCF is only -3db quieter than the BassBoss at any given point within its design criterion. The BassBoss should have more SPL though, it has almost 1000 watts more to work with. That extra 1000 watts isn't worth 3db, but it is worth nearly 1.5db and depending on how they work their DSP, could give them more level before the limiter kicks in. From a numbers standpoint, the RCF has a speaker sensitivity of 101db at 1 watt 1 meter, a very possible number. The BassBoss has a sensitivity of about 99db for 1 watt at 1 meter, a VERY true and likely number. If the RCF had the same 99db sensitivity as the BassBoss ( which is more likely to be the truth ), it would produce about 3db less output. How RCF came to its numbers I can't say, but the math does add up and the RCF seems plausibly able to produce what it says it will. I think the only thing that will really separate these speakers is a person's subjective opinion about the objective results. Aside from a listening test, I would say these speakers are very comparable to each other.
All great points here and I appreciate you tuning in and offering your thoughts. Your end conclusion sums it up and what it really comes down to (A persons subjective opinion). After having lots of time to play music and listen to these two side by side, I can confidently deduce that they are a very comparable box. Both are great speakers and are probably two of the best Two-Way boxes Ive heard. One does produce more bass out of a 12" driver. The Bassboss is better off axis and to my ears, much smoother, and less harsh at high volume. Im not knocking the TT because it has better DSP control and ergonomically better. I guess it comes down to what the application is but for me personally I will choose Bassboss for these reasons after my own independent testing.
1. Better coverage/ less drop off in sound off axis.
2. Scalability (You can invert and with rigging hardware stack two for coupling of the HF and LF drivers and use more subs for bigger events
3. Sound quality (It doesn't pierce my ears at high volume (Sounds good without and tuning)
4. Bassboss is a company that keeps you up to date with product development. They have sent me new drivers and updated the DSP cards over the years free of charge, keeping me up to date with the latest technology they have to offer. My experience with RCF is that you get what you get at the time of purchase. For that reason I give Bassboss the edge in customer service. RCF has good service too but not as good as Bassboss.
Thanks for tuning in and thanks for dropping your knowledge in here!
Do you think the RCF TT2A would be a better comparison? 12'' vs 12''
13 Sound, stage, & lighting it would only be more like for like. The 12” version of the RCF has less output than the Bassboss. I am certain the tests would show that. Now I am not one that believes spl alone is a metric to worry about as much. If there were a 5-6db difference perhaps, but 3db is really nothing that will EVER make or break a show. It really all comes down to needs. If you must have 100db @ 50’ then you must have a speaker which is capable of getting you that number. Up to around 25’ for most conventional speakers is all that you can really care about. Beyond that physics really hurt you. Basically my point is that if you can get the spl you need at 25’, anything else out to 50’ and beyond is a gift. 12”, 15” or 10”, doesn’t matter, as long as you can get the spl you need over the frequency range you need. The system design needs to factor many criterion’s. Size of the speaker may be one of them. I prefer smaller speakers and feel a 12” design provides the best balance between performance, weight and sonic quality. If I need a front full speaker though, I am looking for as small as I can get. Sight lines, actual spl needs and overall system performance needs should dictate what you employ, not just a number on a spec sheet. Smaller speakers tend to cost less, so bigger may not always mean better. Buy the speaker that exceeds your needs and sets within your design criterion and you can’t go wrong.
@@atech9020 I UNDERSTAND, BUT I THINK I AM GOING TO GET A PAIR OF DV12'S TO SEE IF YOUR RIGHT. WHY?
2 reasons 1. there are other videos with the same two speakers comparisons saying the rcf is louder.
2. the tt25a and tt22a is in the same class. the tt2a is the next step up.
13 Sound, stage, & lighting yes I agree the tt2 would be a far better comparison.. sounds a lot better than the tt25, and probably louder. There’s no way a dv12 would keep up with a tt2.. different league!
I must say, I appreciate how thorough you were in making this comparison. I currently own 2x Bassboss VS21 subs and absolutely love them! I currently use EV ETX-35P tops and am saving to get the new DV12Mk2's. Bassboss's client service is second to none!
That is the setup I have now. It’s definitely impressive for only 4 boxes. The price sucks tho...
How do you deal with moving those VS21's around? Do you do gigs solo or require an assistant? I just sold my 4 Danley TH-118's and want to downsize. I'm considering the BB SSP118's but I read a lot of folks do the VS21's. They're just really big though and I feel I'll have problems loading them in and out of my pickup truck...
Way thorough testing going on here. I'd really love a pair of TT25 II's but this BassBoss, like their other products, are stellar!
Bassboss is hard to beat. The recent price hike isn't cool tho... Thanks for checking out the review.
Both around $7k for a pair.
I ended up getting BB MK12’s and a pair of SSP118’s. I downsized from Danley TTH118’s. I’m set!
@@gaffle-411 How do the sound quality (clarity, accuracy, speed and tonal richness) of the ssp118 compare to your previous Danley gear?
@@jack3400 I find it hard to tell with accuracy considering I last played on my Danleys in 2016. Plus, I only use playback music. I will say the BB subs I have outclass any single 18 I’ve ever heard from your typical PA box store (Yamaha, QSC, EV, Yorkville, JBL, Turbosound, etc.)
Nice comparasion, but next time when doing comparasion between two speaker you should use a dual channel fft analyser like smaart v8, the results would be way more precise, and you could also see the phase response of the speaker.
Anyway, great video !
I appreciate your feedback and I couldn't agree more, but unfortunately I do not have that software. If I have more requests for reviews in the future and speaker companies are willing to send out the units for testing, I will probably just invest in Smaart. Either way, by using the same room and same unit to measure, it at least gives you an idea of what performs better where.
Rcf for the win. It’s amazing that It gave you a consistent volume overall in frequencies 300hz and up at 25ft which will be your average distance of people during a show for dancing. which is exactly what you need to when using a separate woofer. That meAns the rcf will actually sound louder and more clear throughout the whole gig vs the bass boss with inconsistent frequency volumes at those frequencies. Although you may feel the bass boss sounds better with the bass. The bass is an easy fix especially when using an external woofer. I just don’t see the worth of almost double the price for a bass boss when it’s missing almost all of the frequencies you need using a full range system🤷🏾♂️ especially for a 1-3 db difference since the human ear will find it hard to differentiate that sound in real time.
They were very close overall. The RCF sounded louder to my ears but it is much more harsh at high volume. I think that perception of louder to my ear was the HF boost that RCF seems to have even when playing flat. The Bassboss is much easier on the ear even at high spl. They are both great speakers. If you want overall loudness, the RCF wins. If you want a better sound, the Bassboss was the winner. These are just my own opinions from being able to compare. For the difference in cost, I agree it is hard to justify.
@@FinestEventss i think you’re absolutely right on the rcf sounding louder maybe and even harsher but it’s probably due to the fact that it doesn’t need to be soo loud to project those mid to high frequencies. It only makes sense. But it was probably meant to shine with an external woofer instead of a stand alone which is my thought, when using a full range system the rfc will sound better and fill in the gaps much cleaner than the bass boss. Thanks for this man. I’ve always wondered how these compared.
Not just out put that matters but the quality of soung
Even more reason to go Bassboss. I own both RCF and Bassboss and right out of the box, I prefer the sound of Bassboss.
One thing that doesn't seem to have been taken into consideration was the very narrow vertical dispersion of the DV12. Over short distances this could have a big effect on the measured frequency response dependent on the height of the measurement mic. I seem to recall that David (Bassboss) Lee suggested in an interview that the DV12 shouldn't be flown/mounted above about 6 feet above the ground, probably for this very reason - the drop in output at high frequencies at 25 feet could be explained by this (the RCF, with it's wider vertical dispersion pattern would not be affected so much by a mix at, say, 5 feet above ground level. I am waiting to see the results of the listening test (both with and without subs) - the Bassboss seems to be winning in the measured results (bearing in my my earlier comments about measurement mic height).
In this video the speaker was 6 feet to the bottom but also keep in mind the Hf driver on the BB has a 4 degree downward cant too. However, these are some really good observations and its hard to say what the outcome would be but I think your theory makes complete sense. I just wanted to be as real world as possible. I personally always put my speakers around this height at mobile events so sound spreads throughout the room and it doesn't blast people that are sitting right in front of them. If you watch Video 2 to this series I go over all the measurements of speaker placement and RTAA Mic placement. Hopefully I can get around to shooting video 4 soon which will include my personal listening experience.
where is video 4?
Unfortunately, didnt make it
@@FinestEventss Which one would say has better sound quality (separation, clarity, accuracy and tonal richness?) I am looking to buy new tops, and would greatly appreciate your input
@@jack3400 I personally prefer the sound of the DV12 and is what I kept and currently still own (MK2). Since this review Bassboss has come out with MK2 and now MK3 versions. They have improved every version. I have been told but haven't heard the MK3 is even better. They are two completely different sounds. IMO the DV12 at high volume remains smooth and not harsh. It seems to my ears that the TT has a louder high end but at the sacrifice of sound quality. They hurt my ears at high volume and tend to have a boost in high frequencies as shown by my testing. I would give the Bassboss DV12 MK2 or MK3 a good look. I have heard good about the HDM45a too, but it has a similar syle horn to the TT and I have never heard them to confirm. Good luck in your search as sound is so subjective.
@@FinestEventss thanks for reply.
Best comparison!!
Thank you!
If you put rcf at 60 degrees though... I'm willing to bet it would fail miserably. In my opinion one of the main reasons to go bassboss is for the wide dispersion without a line array. Appreciate the comparison, nice job.
Yes, the RCF does not perform as well off axis. Thank you for the kind words! The DV12 MK2 recently came out and its not even comparable anymore.
@@FinestEventss that's good to hear about the mk2. I hear they're rolling out new dsp as well that is mind-blowing but I've only heard from people with the subs (not sure it applies). Worth the pricetags you think?
@@fnscomedycrew I honestly do feel they are worth it. A great thing about Bassboss is that as they improve, they update their customers. They recently updated my VS21's and you can definitely hear a difference.
@@FinestEventss Well, I may have to pick up a pair then for the post-pandemic surge in social gatherings? Fingers crossed. It's quite the investment for me being unsure about the payoff. I've definitely decided to pick up a zv28 but it feels wrong pairing that with jbl prxs.
@@fnscomedycrew I can say this, you are doing it for your clients and your own personal preference. I can't say that I make additional money because of the speakers I bring. That lays on your talent level, unless you do live sound. However, please sell those PRX's and go bass boss. They are designed to be paired together and the clarity/dispersion is so much better. I totally understand from a financial standpoint tho. Especially with our industry right now. Best of luck
Can't wait for the music comparison. I'm looking for a pair of tops to go with my VS21's. Right now I have the RCF 735's and held off buying the DV12's. I heard the DV12's several times but I'm still on the fence. What do you think of the VS21's? I have yet to use both of my indoors.
Do yourself a favor and get the DV12's. The RCF are boosted in the high frequencies and get very harsh at high volume. It is proven in this video. They also have bad off Axis coverage (unless you like that). Also, you may want to listen again to an updated version of the DV12. They have undergone some new DSP updates that have taken care of some of the issues of previous versions. Thats the nice thing about Bassboss, when they make something better they help you get it at little to no cost. They are constantly evolving and making things better. I love my VS21's. No one puts out bass like they do, especially when you couple them. A pair with one DV12 hits hard and clear!
@@FinestEventss Thanks for the reply, someone on the Serato forum said they were updating the DSP in the DV'12's but I haven't heard the results until now.What was the issue with the previous version of the DV12's? When will you have the latest video?
@@tremorb2998 I didn't have the update when I did this video. I think the results would have been even more in favor of the DV12 had I had them. The previous issue is that the woofer would bottom out way faster than the HF driver. This issue is suppose to be solved among other tweaks and improvements to the frequency response in all 4 presets.
Finest Events i wasn’t impressed with 905as mk ii HA 1100watt amp my arse, just being straight maybe 1100watts on paper but open it up you can see stamped frame driver and the amp looks very same as the the 700watt amp designs very
@@MobilediscowirralCoUk when it comes to subs, I don't think RCF makes that great of ones. Bassboss Subs will hands down destroy their stuff when it comes to music reproduction and output in the Subwoofer category. Ive owned both and the quality is not even close.
what made you want to compare the DV12 with the tt25A? Do you think the RCF TT2A would be a better comparison? 12'' vs 12''
Another youtuber made some bold claims about the two so I had to hear for myself.
Finest Events hi were able to do the comparison? Would love to hear your thoughts
@@DonLee480 Sorry I never did video 4 but the DV12 outperformed it in the majority of ways. I currently own DV12 MK2's since this comparison if that helps you decide.
Looking forward for music testing
Unfortunately I dropped the ball on the 4th video. We did compare and measure them. The RCF was brighter in the HF with less low end. The Bassboss has substantially more bass. I have since ordered the MK2 version of the DV12 and it is even better.
@@FinestEventss Can we hear the new version in comparison
@@drummerboy100jh unfortunately I don’t have time to do it. They are substantially better than the Mk1’s in all aspects.
@@FinestEventss oh ok thanks, let us know if you ever have a chance to test Danley tops and or subs
@@drummerboy100jh will do!
time for that 4th video
I got lazy and didn't make it. If there is anything additional I can answer, let me know?
You have problem - the tt25 need to be on f2 for far
Hi how the dv12 vs eaw rl 12 ? Thanks
I can’t comment, I’ve never heard the Eaw
@@FinestEventss the new RS series makes the difference.
The dv12 needs to be higher. 7 to 8ft.
Not true. David Lee has told me personally 6-7’ max to the bottom of the box. They are around 6.5 to the bottom in the video.
Why youre hiding your finger pushing butyon while playing rcf while playing bass boss is a single hand you using .... Scam
It's all a scam. You got me....smh. The great speaker conspiracy.
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Hear the titanium diaphragm & the metalis horn what a sound they produce.
Where's the 4th video?
I got lazy... sorry. If there is anything I can answer let me know