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Your point around the 28min mark about Nico's apparent motivations and his story driven actions not aligning coherently; perhaps this is the _ultimate_ Rockstar take on LuDo-nArRaTivE DiSsOnANcE, where not only do the Player and Player Character have seperate, conflicting objectives/intentions, but the Player Character and the story the "In Game World" tells have a dissonance all of their own... Sorry I said the L word 😔
I definitely disagree with your take on IV being a mistake. No GTA game feels entirely focused on one character's story. It isn't a movie. It has to fill the game world with other interesting characters and satire, as well as missions that are actually fun to play, and I think it does that as well as any of the prior games. It also had the most fleshed out main character of any GTA at the time, and the story is actually good. There is an internal conflict with Niko and we get to play that out, and yes that can make it tough to balance with the gameplay sometimes, but if you choose to go on a gleeful rampage and the next mission has Niko regretting how violent he has become, I wouldn't blame the story for that. As far as why he would continue to commit crime after he made enough money to cover his cousin, well maybe check out Breaking Bad. Walter White didn't intend to end up where he did either, but it was compelling nonetheless. That is what makes the story dark and complex. I would also recommend playing the DLC as it lays some small groundwork for what they wanted to do in V, which is have three protagonists that interact. If you just didn't like it then that's fine, but the video was filled with nitpicking and repeating yourself on things that clearly didn't wow you. That doesn't make it a mistake. It is still a popular and highly rated GTA game for a reason, but that doesn't mean you have to like it either. I appreciate the time you put into the video though. I'll have to check out your channel further.
I like 4 the most, even more than 5. The driving is iffy yeah but overall the game is great, single player DLC, tiny details to mess around with and a big cast of characters that get fleshed out while hanging out.
Physics engine was way beyond anything on the market and still is one of the most complex and responsive engines in existence. Sure, some parameters were overblown and cars felt like you were driving a loaded truck with most of the park in the game. But fights, objects you threw and ran over, people when they were hit with cars, fell from stairs or under a train behaved so naturally, it was mind-blowing back in the day and remains impressive even today. V was simplified SIGNIFICANTLY when it comes to physics, they went for graphics first and were too limited by 360 era hardware to fit in an enormous map with complexity of IVs physics but with updated graphics of V.
@@UsernamesHandle nah, the damage model was superb! It was all about this feeling, like you're driving a heavy truck on ice, it was present in most of cars in the game.
@@UsernamesHandle Fair enough. Let's call it a truck on ice with chained wheels then. You know what I mean, the drag and drift was really too high in with IV.
@@smithexem They were not limited by the hardware. Almost every single thing that was downgraded in the game was a deliberate design decision (as stupid as they were). The game uses the same physics engine and code base as IV, just very poorly configured for whatever reason. Physics weren't even the reason IV ran poorly either, just code and map optimization (very poorly setup from a technical perspective hence why there's a project in the works called RevIVe). You could easily fix at least half the game's issues with simple tweaks. Here's also better euphoria modded onto PS3: ua-cam.com/video/JxBdQlOkubc/v-deo.html
To me, GTA4 is easily the best in the series. Best story and best city. Shocked you haven’t played the DLC’s before making this as they really are more than tacked on extra stories. Keep making the great content though. (Half way through watching)
@@firstlast4688 Still better than GTA V with its downgraded physics, downgraded reactions, downgraded gunplay, downgraded hand-to-hand combat, downgraded enemy/police behaviour, downgraded NPC and player health, downgraded car destruction/collisions, downgraded pedestrian AI, downgraded player input in missions, etc, or a game where in general, even basic mechanics like crouching and holding onto ledges are completely removed. Literally the only thing that mess sustancially improved in the core gameplay was the controls, everything else is fun of retarded decisions.
The thing is, you're viewing the aesthetic through a 2021 lens. Back in 2008, that dark, gritty aesthetic was the cool thing and you know what? Some people actually like it. Also, I partially agree with you on the car handling. Rockstar seem to make all the cars in their games handle the same as one another (all cars handle like a 70's Chrysler New Yorker in GTA 4 and all cars handle like a go-kart in GTA 5). I still much prefer the challenge of GTA 4's handling over 5's handling though. Like, it actually takes time to master it and I put many hours into multiplayer races doing just that. Best case scenario would be if they actually put the time and effort into making every car handle truly differently for the next game, but I'd still be happy if we got something in between GTA 4's and GTA 5's handling.
GTA IV’s driving isn’t even they hard, I don’t understand why so many people bitch and moan about it. You need to know what kind of drivetrain each car has and you can’t floor the pedal in every car. The triggers are sensitive and are accurately realistic when driving with a controller.
@@kixinmaddick7424 Yeah but GTA V is better and it has aged a lot better too, GTA IV already became outdated when V released, that was 2013. V will become outdated (hopefully) when VI comes out, because then it wont be the best anymore.
@@kixinmaddick7424 “horifficaly” LOL I already stopped there, i have no fucking clue how GTA V could have aged “horrifically” especially more so than the game from 2008 with muddy graphics and clunky gameplay. Nothing of what you said is true, way more people hate GTA IV lol and that is just a fact that you can waste 10 hours researching. Personally i dont have the time for you stupid statements.
@@thirdhandlv4231 How did GTA IV become outdated when V released, when V downgraded pretty much every gameplay mechanic? Everything from driving/flying to gunplay to melee combat to AI to police/wanted system to movement/climbing and others either became simplified and or uninteresting.
Seems like a deliberately overcomplexed take on a simplistic view of a sophisticated game, all the questions raised are answered by the game itself if you pay attention. Definitely a masterpiece
Nah. No way is it a masterpiece. This game was sooooo constricted. The customization was no where to be seen, characters bland, activities boring, car handling trash. Honestly there was more fun to be had in Gay Tony. Better characters better story. I personally didn't like GTA V either. I think I have outgrown GTA to be honest and prefer red dead redemption 1 and 2 way more than those recent GTA games.
RDR2 is their Magnum Opus. Not debatable. GTA was great, but in reality the series is mainly for casual gamers. Which is why it sells 100 million copies, because people who don't really play games a lot are the ones who play GTA all the time. Thats just a fact. It's a low info game
@@kronosleblu888 overall I get what you’re saying but there’s still craziness and fun to be had. I think your expectation is what let you down. The fact that you didn’t enjoy GTA V is more about your tastes than these games.
This was the first PS3 game I tried. I was blown away by the graphics and open world. This game has a special atmosphere that is hard to discribe that I haven't felt elsewhere. I too remember that loading screen so well and getting pumped to play.
I would suggest taking a look at the DLC content for this game first, and then moving on to "five". Otherwise (at least for me) this "conversation" would feel unfinished...
I love GTA IV, felt insanely detailed especially in 2008. Absolutely loved the physics and feel of the game. And the fist fighting was fun too, was cool that one punch knockouts were rare but sometimes you’d get them.
Honestly, I think this game has the best story, themes and characters of the entire GTA franchise. I even think that, at times, it looks and plays better than 5. The controls can be unpleasant at first, but are easily adjusted to. I love it. It's the darkest and most realistic of all the GTA games. Normally I hate games that start out with small, tedious and repetitive tasks, but it works perfectly with the game's narrative as well as its very dark and cynical take on the "American dream". I also like the subtle touch of Niko using less and less of his native tongue as the story progresses, and he gets more and more wrapped up in his new American life. The only downside of this game is that it has less of the ridiculous fun of the PS2 era games. But if you want that, play those games. This game went for something different, and in my opinion it succeeded incredibly well. I'm kind of tired of GTA using the New York setting now, but whenever I want to revisit it, it'll always be the version in 4. Either way, this is a well thought out and presented video. Cheers.
@@psx2514 it's absolutely part of what makes a good video game. GTA IV might not have the wildest gameplay in the franchise, but it still plays great too.
@@tompadinho that's a fairly simple way of looking at it. That's like saying GTA V is just a series of heists. Think of Niko's motivations, where he starts out and how his views are altered over the course of the story. How the idea of the "American Dream" is deconstructed.
@@chronic_johnson_a.r.a.b well, it would have been more interesting to follow Niko in his journey of finding out where his fellow soldier buddies were hiding out. Not just have the mafia do all that for him. Instead we're just shooting, and attack heavily guarded facilities all the time. It's like playing Call of Duty. And why does Niko do that? To get paid. For the money. He says this over and over again. Play the game again and you'll see what I mean.
@@JoshuaElijahC it controls like a brick. I hate the camera angle for driving and how it controls. As some who play tacing simulator games it feels not a thing like realistic driving
1. I hate to say it but I just can’t stand the driving mechanics in 4, I feel like they made it a little too realistic 2. The game’s lighting is way too dark sometimes, there have been times where I had to shut my blinds to even see anything 3. I find it ridiculous how there are no checkpoints in any of the missions, considering how long they are and how difficult some of them could be. Having to drive to the same place and hear the same conversations over and over can get tedious and annoying Those are the only problems I have with the game, really. Other than that it’s a great game but it’s definitely not as perfect as a lot of people seem to make it out to be.
one of the best and the darkest stories rockstar have ever tried to tell. the gameplay is obviously of its own time and has aged - but still a tonne of fun to play. definitely one of my favourite games of all time.
the thing i hate the most about gta 4 is the physics. they say it's "the best physics of all time" but i just think its extremely overexagerated: if you go faster than 50 kmh on a motorbike and hit something you will literally fly like a plane and wake up in the hospital with 2000 dollars left, turning a car is also terrible, if you're going a little fast it's impossible to turn. not to mention the fact that the map is so small that they had to make slower cars, wich makes most of the mission boring since 50% of gta 4 mission are about driving to a place and the other. the plot is okay, but very depressing and it feels like there are a lot of useless mission and some over the edge missions where you kill a million bad guys and run a way while chased by the mafia or something. shooting is also terrible, very little variation of guns and you'll miss 70% of the shots you take. the soundtrack is amazing tho and it's the best along with san andreas overall i think it's the worst gta since gta 3.
@@randomname5646 Like more to do what? gym? eat and become fat? learning fighting skills.. niko is a veteran and doesnt need to learn more fighting skills or go to gym
@@francy8589 "if you go faster than 50 kmh on a motorbike and hit something you will literally fly like a plane and wake up in the hospital with 2000 dollars left" This isn't GTA V where you die extremely easily from vehicle collisions. "shooting is also terrible, very little variation of guns and you'll miss 70% of the shots you take." Control your shots? Tap fire? Burst fire? Crouch? The Complex crosshair grows the longer you fire your gun to show you that your gun becomes less accurate the longer you hold the trigger. It works pretty similarly to San Andreas, except you don't have to wait for the crosshair to shrink to original size when you let off the trigger.
A man who was mentally destroyed in on of the most ugly wars since ww2. One of the things that makes his character so great is that on one of the dates Niko goes with Kate. He explains that he constantly lies to Roman about his mother. He keeps saying she died in a fire. The real truth he can’t bring himself to tell Roman. He bugs Roman for his optimism. But still appreciates it enough not to potentially rip it away from Roman all the same.
I would disagree on that. Niko kills anyone and everyone he's asked to kill, all for money. Even when he complains about the Jersey mob, he still goes out and kills for them with some excuse that he needs money.
I don't buy that "but GTA IV is more serious" idea. The game is still as much reckless and ridiculous as the previous entries, not only gameplay-wise, but story-wise too. It's very hard to take things seriously there, let down compare this game to criminal epics like Heat or Scarface, which tried a little bit to be close to the ground. This one however is no more realistic or grounded than San Andreas or Saints Row 1-2 given the amount of absurdity and mayhem happening on the screen, but pretends to be otherwise. I can understand that many people fell in love with this game because of it's aesthetics and technology, but it's story is very inconsistent and thematically dissonant and the game just doesn't know what it wants to be. Despite game's core gameplay mechanical brilliance, mission design is mostly mediocre, especially in the first third of the game.
@@lefez9015 Facts. But I disagree with the core gameplay mechanics, shooting feels meh, driving physics made it clear this was just a game that was nowhere close to real life. Body physics were overexaggerated that it looks like its what people who dont shoot guns thinks what happens to a person when they get shot
I disagree with you, completely. Gta4 was something else entirely on so many levels. I understand you not enjoying it for the reasons stated, but I wish you would have taken into account that this game came out at a time where everyone wanted games that were gritty and dreary with a depressing atmosphere. It's a product of its time for sure. But it says more for Rockstar that they were able to adapt like that and keep current with their releases. The more I hear you complain about how it plays and loosely compare it to other titles in the series, the less it makes sense....it seems, if anything, it's a cookie cutter of the last 3 games before it as they all did the same things. Go here, do the thing, leave. In Niko himself, it made sense to me. He wasn't just a bad person, he still has a conscience, he is also a thinker, but he was also flawed and human. He was struggling with a lot and over the course of the game he found his true self. He started out with an idea, a dream, that he could start over and be a different person with a new start. When he got there, to America, land of opportunity, he realized it's really no different. People are still people flawed and shitty. He eventually gives into to who he actually is, accepts it, and embraces it, Ngl tho, Roman was annoying... "cousin! It is your cousin! Let's go bowling!" Also, bringing up breaking bad, you really contradict yourself. They made it pretty clear Walter was always this way, he just his from it. He found a reason to stop acting and embrace the sociopathic borderline psychopathic was he really was.
Im sorry But ill never forget Niko telling Roman that you can never drop your baggage and pretend to be someone else even if you go to a new place It wasnt even a lesson I needed myself But it was in those moments I realized how wise Gta 4 is. The best GTA story ever told.
I have no desire to ever play GTA IV again, it is easily the most boring GTA I have ever played. So many features from the previous GTA's that really made them feel like 'sandbox' games were completely scrapped in favour of realism. I think that is my main gripe with GTA IV; they focused too much on realism and completely forgot about including whacky/goofy fun stuff you could when there could have been a healthy balance. Where are the jetpacks, aeroplanes, chainsaws, miniguns, quadbikes, hovercrafts, vehicle customisation, cheats that let you fly cars/drive on water etc? This game is a prime example of why making a game realistic doesn't mean it's going to be good. If you played GTA SA before this game came out, I cannot see how you could possibly think GTA IV better.
Keep in mind that GTA IV was going for a completely different feel & was a complete reboot of the GTA series. So having all of the over the top stuff would feel out of place when playing as Niko or Johnny.
At the time of release, this one was a huge letdown for me coming off games like GTA SA and SR1, while it was impressive in many ways it was just so boring as a GTA game...but it's aged very well and the attention to detail along with the story set in a tightly packed HD Liberty City makes it an amazing experience. It's a very slow, grounded, gritty game and that's how it was intended to be and it does it extremely well. But I was happy that with GTA V they gave us back a lot of the GTA features GTA IV was missing. But San Andreas will always be #1 for me.
Not sure how it can be "boring" as a GTA game, when it totally does the core mechanics of the franchise (Driving and shooting), way better than the previous games.
the base of your channel are metal gear fans, but this is a really great video to start getting into another series, I would really like you talking about little background details about many games that have deep lore. anyways, good luck if you decide that
What we need is the story to start in Liberty City and as you progress through the game - creating your drug empire (utilising some of the ideas from China Town Wars) - you are forced to flee and move to Vice City. Only after you have conquered Vice City, creating a network of drug runners, hired guns, smugglers etc can you then return to Liberty City to reclaim your home and take revenge against your old business partner. After the endgame sequence it should then show you, a badass big time badboi, flying to London to set up a business venture.. ohhhhhhhhh yeeaaahhhh
I'm voting masterpiece. I never once missed any of the stuff removed from San Andreas The world design and immersion factor made that game a lot more engaging for me. The game instead became more about the trouble I got in on my way to missions or even on them. Some side activities were fine. Exploring was cool for a bit. But I just loved pushing that story along for all the characters. I think Rockstar really began to master their narrative design and character development here. The cast was varied and a joy to watch. The DLCs were really where it began to shine. Especially by Ballad of Gay Tony which began to mix in some of the best of the old and new. But Niko's story was still my favorite. I still think they're swan song that generation was Red Dead Redemption. And ultimately GTA V becomes the more fun game to just pick up and play. But IV holds a spot in my heart few games have captured. And there are few games that I've ever replayed as much. I'm definitely not arguing against people who were disappointed by it, because it's definitely different than the games that preceded it. But I liked that difference.
gta4 is notorious for its uncompromising fanbois. usually people who were kids or teens when they first played it, and it "woke them up" to the reality of adult life. its nostalgic to them for that reason alone. that's why you say "the story is a masterpiece" and other subjective opinions. in any case, rockstar perfected the narration with rdr1 and especially Red dead redemption 2, which was a "serious" game series from the onset. gta has always been based on "mess around with no consequences" in a sandbox environment with loads of humor.. ever since the first one on PlayStation back in the day.
Sorry fanboy’s being nostalgic is not a good argument this game is still entertaining. The dialogue (whether it woke you up or not) is very well written for me to pass it more than any gta which is very impressive given the amount of content this game has compared to the other gtas. It just feels more grounded atleast most of the characters are more interesting, and take it from me I thought trevor was my favorite for a while, but now realize niko has just more depth to him and his dialogue speaks for itself and just makes you want hear more of about his backstory.
I wouldn’t call it a mistake, but I still think it’s probably the worst GTA game I’ve completed. It just lacks the fun missions that the other ones have. The missions are very repetitive. I also don’t like the story that much, and personally prefer the stories of the other GTA games. I want GTA stories to be about becoming rich and powerful. Niko is the GTA protagonist that I like the least. I also don’t like that you can’t really do anything with the money you earn, you can only buy guns and clothes. At the end of the game it didn’t feel like you achieved anything. You’re rich, but you lost a person very close to you. And BTW, I’m not bad at driving in this game at all (driving is in my opinion quite easy to get decent at). I still think the driving is absolutely horrible in this game. It looks really weird and feels less realistic than in the GTA games prior. While I don’t think this game is horrible, I don’t think it’s good and I think it’s massively overrated. Perhaps if the fans of this game wouldn’t constantly act like this is the best game of all time while hating on the superior GTA 5, I wouldn’t dislike the game as much.
And many gta 4 soyboys will say that that's the lesson of a person living the life of crime. Which I think is a huge pile of dung. Its the most generic and cliched ending and lesson of all time. The only reason I see someone resonating with this message is if they have never seen a movie in their life
@@IndoGunsnGearI don’t even really mind that type of message, even if I don’t think it’s necessarily true. However, what’s it doing in a GTA game. ‘Crime is bad’ ‘Crime will ruin your life’ this is GTA, get out of here with that stuff. I want to have fun, not be lectured.
The missions in IV are literally like those in GTA III, but with more emphasis on narrative, you can't expect a game where you play as a hitman, having anything other than being, well, a hitman. The driving is definitely more realistic than previous games, this shouldn't even be discussed, and no, GTA V is not a superior game at all.
@IndoGunsnGear hahaha I think of the many people who say it's dark and depressing like real life. And I'm like "what fucking life have you been living????!!!!" I highly doubt if their life resembled this they wouldn't have the time to go play GTA IV that much and rant on youtube
I'll always have a soft spot for GTA4. Maybe because I'm an immigrant myself, or because just before release I lived in Brooklyn for a few months. I respect the hell out of the game and at least it doesn't feel unfinished or half-baked. But, it's absolutely true that this is the odd one in the series. Even though I feel that GTA5 is also plagued by a bad story and characters, I think it did a better job of functioning as a fun sandbox
Oh, sure! GTA V! A funner sandbox! With its robotic, scripted, unsatisfying and completely downgraded physics engine (Goodbye messing around with the ragdolls), its completely downgraded car destruction (Goodbye crashing your car at high speeds just for fun), it's ridiculously sensitive wanted system that will get you 3 stars for almost everything you do and almost instantly doesn't matter where you are and that takes ages to lose (Goodbye messing around with NPCs for a good amount of time) its overly broken police and enemy AI with Terminator accuracy that will kill you in seconds doesn't matter if you're hidden inside a dumpster or driving at 120 MPH (Goodbye fun gunfights with cops, where you could last a lot of time and you didn't have to rely on being on cover like a pussy), combined with a downgraded and weak af health system that will get you death for everything that happens to you in a blink (Goodbye messing with Niko and the physics engine, and having unpredictability of health, ala GTA IV again), its insta car explosions at every single land or crash (Goodbye stunt fun) and that can even kill you almost instantly (Goodbye sending Niko to fly with explosives), its almost complete absense of interiors (Goodbye roleplaying and having variety of place to hide from cops or even have gunfights with them), its NPCs overreactive NPCs that will call the cops on you on foot , or directly run into you (Goodbye, a world with normal NPCs that are neutral to the player, like EVERY open world should be), its complete lack of action packed side content ala Vigilante, Gang Wars or Drug Wars of GTA IV/EFLC (Goodbye reasons to use your weapons in free-roam), it's complete lack of basic parkour features like hanging onto ledges (Goodbye, jumping from roof to roof without smashing your face to a wall like an idiot), and I can keep going on, and on. GTA V did everything but a better job than GTA IV when it comes to fun-factor and sandbox fun, it may have more stuff to mess around with like planes or a countryside, but the execution of the gameplay itself just sucks compared to its predecessor, the only thing it does remotely better is the controls and some minor improvements like the weapon wheel, but that's it.
"tHe oDd oNe oF tHe sEriEs" The proof you need to know to notice if someone is an actual GTA fan or a casual gamer that happens to like the a couple of games of the franchise. If you truly had a "Soft spot for GTA IV" you wouldn't be disrespecting it so much.
You know I think I feel the same way about GTA IV. I played through it earlier this year, even though the entire experience of both the main game and its DLC felt like a well designed, polished product and Niko Bellic is quite possibly one of the most believable human-feeling protaganists I have ever seen in really any game I couldn't escape the feeling that over and over the experience left me cold. It's not that any one part of the game felt poorly designed or didn't mesh with my personal tastes as a gamer as many of the games I play are experientially not much different from GTA IV. No something about the whole of the experience just felt off.
To me the biggest problem is that it's too repetitive. Drive there, kill some goons, repeat. That describes the majority of what you will do in this game. It felt more like max payne but with boring, useless bad driving before every mission. I understand that niko is only good at murdering people but the same thing could be said about michael and trevor or cj but the games still were varied and fun to play. I still haven't finished the game i'm almost at the end but i'm so bored of the max payne like missions. It also doesn't help that the gameplay isn't responsive and that you to waste so many bullets to kill just one person sometimes. There are times were i press the shoot button and niko shoots once or twice and then stops for no reason. I really wish i enjoyed the game more but i don't think i'll go back to it after finishing it unlike i did for sa and 5.
@@HeyMomonia Can't say I disagree with you. I fully understand many people loved GTA IV. Though as I understand GTA IV is also kind of known as the black sheep of the GTA series. For being darker, more serious, the driving physics, and other reasons. So perhaps we aren't alone in not being able to connect with the game.
@@MrDueltube Honestly if the game was fun and had more variety in the missions i wouldn't complained that much. I understand what they were trying to do and at times it was pretty decent. But the lack of variety and no interesting character outside of niko made the game really boring to play after a few hours.
This game for me is where Rockstar jumped the shark. In the previous GTA games, there was so much to do with activities that made the overworld feel lively. They sacrificed a lot of that in GTA 4 for "realism" and prettier graphics. Why would I want to go bowling or drinking in a game, when I can do that in real life? Even the PSP GTA games had fun side missions that were better than this. The driving was one of the worst aspects of this game and for realism, if you slam forward into something, Niko goes flying out the wind shield. The previous games were fun to drive any car, GTA 4 made it a chore. The overworld is huge, but what is there to do? You can't buy property or own anything. You get all this money you can't do anything with. There's no real dangerous parts of the city to distinguish themselves from other areas like in GTA 3 or San Andreas. All of it kinda blends in and just feels the same. They want the game to be more realistic but keep their crude humor that just don't fit. Previous GTA games had so much stuff to collect and do across the city. Completing the paramedic side mission gave you unlimited sprint, hidden packages gave you a cache of weapons etc. All that is gone in this game. You focus a lot of this video on the story and those criticisms are valid. This game is where Rockstar tried to write something serious, yet they had to keep the crude humor in it and it just don't mesh well. Between a serious plot, there's all the jokes from Roman about strip clubs and so forth. The Housers never really matured or developed as writers and GTA 4 was a shining example of that. I couldn't connect with Niko as a protagonist cause he's just a blood thirsty sociopath. In the previous games, it felt like they were making fun of the mafia and crime movie archetypes, whereas this one tries to be serious. GTA 5 would be even worse with it's unlikable protagonists. The only thing GTA 5 improved on slightly was the clunky movement and gameplay. Niko gets caught up in doors at times, the combat is a clunky mess and as I mentioned before, driving a car is one of the biggest pains in the game. GTA 5 had better combat and player movement but still left me feeling massively let down and disappointed.
Haven't watched the video yet but I'm always surprised at how much flak GTA4 gets. I'm a huge fan. Love the NYC setting, the darker storyline and while the vehicle physics were quite a deviation from the GTA3 series, they were very rewarding once you got the hang of them. It's a shame the PC port was so badly optimised. Also really liked the story expansions, thought they did a great job of bringing some balance to the otherwise quite dark main story (well, mainly talking about TBoGT there)
Yeah vehicles felt weighty I liked the driving once you got used to it, but Niko's personality and cutscene convos as well as the whole story was for me dissapointing.
there isnt any flak, the opposite happens. it's unnecessarily "praised" over and over, driven by their fanbois. someone has to tell the truth on it, glad there's some criticism of it.
To me GTAIV was the last true great GTA game it had a lot of interesting idea with the setting but when V came out it was nothing more then god damn cash grab.
Okay people who lack ways to describe GTA IV as only the Dark story and all that. Don't forget Red Dead Redemption 1 and 2, Max Payne Triology, LA Noire. Rockstar have an impeccable talent for writing brilliant stories and steer them in any direction they wish. Usually tthe other GTA games are mostly parodies of our societies and use levity mostly in their stories coupled with Excellent and unforgettable Voice acting. So, here's your one reason that this game was dark and shit as you have nothing to talk about GTA IV was in itself legendary because of it's dialogue, voice acting and physics engine along with many things. As for the story, I loved it in the beginning as how Niko gets sucked in the criminal underworld due to Roman's Debts but after Moving To another state the story kinda gets stale. Niko keeps earning money which his cousin seemingly wastes on gambling and strip clubs despite being attacked multiple times and you see Niko keep engaging in criminal activities. The missions too get repetitive and boring. Half of them are trailing missions or just going to some place and blowing people up and that. The story arc for Niko finding the traitor was well done and good. The ending is a twist, if You pay heed to Roman's greed he dies. If you choose to Respect Kate, she is killed. It's good storytelling, of course the characters along with way were also interesting like always
I’ll give rockstar credit for trying something different, but I really don’t think it worked, gta 4 feels so different to the point that it doesn’t even feel like a gta game.
GTA IV literally is one the games that follows GTA essence the best. A game where you play as a hired gun for varying criminal organizations to reach a certain objective, it is literally GTA III on steroids. V on the other hand is a FIB lapdop simulator across its whole story, and a retired simulator by the end. There aren't even criminal side activities in the damn thing.
i remember being hugely disappointed coming from gta san andreas to this gta 5 was a return to what i wanted from a gta game(apart the crappy online) like you said by trying to be more realistic it forgot what made prior gta fun
@@paulbell3682 it doesn't just because the multiplayer is popular and it got many rerelease and its cool to hate on popular stuff doesn't mean it sucks Gta 5 single player and map is far more memorable and fun than gta 4 The funny thing most people that say gta4 is their favorite gta4 is because its their first gta game they ever played so its not a valid opinion gta4 is the edgy moody serious family member of the gta series
@@DJBV It's the complete opposite for me as I can't remember anything from GTA V's story besides the heists & Michael losing his family & the map sucks as well because there's nothing to do outside of LS & the game even removes details that were in other GTA games, especially GTA IV. Also, San Andreas was my first GTA, but GTA UV is not only my favourite GTA, but my favourite game of all-time (including TLAD & TBOGT).
Can't wait for the GTAV video. A game built around the theme of the pursuit of happiness or money, becomes the very thing it satirises through its online mode.
And? How about you look at V and not online and stop whining and bitching about shit that you can avoid. I didnt enjoy Online so i just left it and did something i enjoyed rather than make pointless drama.
@@thirdhandlv4231 Bruh. I was looking at V. It's narrative theme is the pursuit of happiness/money and you being tired of the complaints of the Online mode don't dismiss the critique and irony of a game series built on satirising corporate greed becoming the very thing they make jokes about.
@@jarlboof Doing nothing to stop it is complicity to the crime. Wouldn't have been so bad if they actually balanced the weaponised vehicles. At launch it wasn't so bad because the Buzzard was vulnerable to infantry guns shooting the pilot and couldn't lock onto player vehicles so aiming was required, the Tank could be easily outrun on foot and the jet was only really useful for taking out Buzzards specifically. Fast forward to today and weaponised vehicles are a masterclass in how to f**k up game balance.
@@PlebNC i doubt they had any say in the matter, or maybe they did, and just said fuck it once the big dollars started pouring. Anyway, fuck gta online, i remember back in 2013 2014 hearing about it, and the idea of playing online in gta was like a dream to me (i was still a kid stuck with a ps2 lol) but after a few years when i got my hands on a ps4 and finally tried i felt a real big disappointment, and gradually stopped playing.
Hands down this was an absolute classic, before I’ve even watched this video, I spent hours with my mates round at my house doing the 6 star challenge and having a blast, the expansions were first class the physics were unbelievable a solid 9.5 for me
The most realistic GTA but also the most boring. Cityscape with huge buildings that are just there to drive around. Nearly no customization, and drab colors. Saw a green car and got exicted over it. 😔 I'm 32 missions in, and every mission has been 'go kill them' or 'take this vehicle there'. This is the only GTA game I'm really struggling to finish.
You’re struggling to Finish a game that has the same mission structure as every single Gta game? How you didn’t even see the bias in what you wrote is hilarious man
@@mrblonde1984have you played the other GTA games? Most other GTA games have very diverse and creative missions. Even the missions that are driving somewhere and killing a person often have you do it in a different way then in the other missions. In GTA 4 half the missions are the same
I owe a big thanks to GTA IV for my music tastes. From LCHC with Leeway, Cromags and TLAD with Bathory, Cannibal Corpse and Emtombed. The New York soundtrack of the vast 70s rock and fusion or afrofunk music, as well as jazz. Just amazing and immersing. Can't go wrong with Vladivostok FM and Kino, as well as guiding me to watch Brother 1997. Amazing movie and all round love for this game. OP you suck.
nostalgia googles sure are a thing with Rockstar fans... as someone who beat this game 4-5 times since it's launch on PC, it's without a doubt, one of the best written GTA games, if not the best, but the gameplay along with the open world was a huge downgrade from San Andreas. outside the story, GTA 4 has very little to offer. i wouldn't call this game a mistake, but it was definitely disappointing if you came in fresh off of San Andreas and Vice City
Gameplay was literally improved across the board in IV from SA. The fact you don’t know this tells me you’ve either never played SA or never played IV. Maybe both
@@mrblonde1984let me first fix some mistakes in my original comment: some gameplay elements were improved (character movement, no loading screens when entering buildings, modern tech being implement like phones and internet) but when it lacked a lot of stuff from SA, especially the interaction with the open world (rewarding side missions, planes, better helis, parachutes, money actually having value), plus we all know driving issue in GTA 4 (tho I personally think bikes and boats are far worse when it comes to handling than cars). also since the remasters of the trilogy came out recently, after playing them, i noticed how all 3 games aged like milk in some aspects, and it made me appreciate 4 a bit more, tho the new GTA 4 features got better with TBOGT, and then GTA 5 which brought back the good stuff from the 3D games, while maintaining some of GTA 4's realism
@@mrblonde1984 Hardly. It has some QoL features such as the GPS system, taxi cab service, cell phone, dodge/block melee attacks, throwing weapons and such, but when you look at how much was lost from the 3D Universe era games GTA4 just pales in comparison
Glad you put out a video like this to bring in more people to your amazing channel! Replayed GTA IV recently on PC and my god it's so flawed in how to run it but when it runs it's amazing
I gotta say I recently completed GTA 4 and its DLC in a chronological way and some story elements make much more sense and it feels like GTA 5 with 3 protagonists excluding the fact that you have to reload each game from the beginning to play as a another character, it's a really fun and more complete experience but leaving aside that, I've enjoyed GTA 4's story more now than ever. The last time I completed the story it was, believe it or not, 8 years ago, around the time GTA 5 was released on PS3 and Xbox 360 and I was just entering puberty! I've changed a lot since then, my thoughts aren't the same, my reasoning and my understanding is deeper and I appreciate GTA 4 more than before, it's definitely one of my favorites GTAs now. I love the game because it is fun and it looked pretty realistic and I basically completed it because I wanted to complete all GTAs before GTA 5 was released and so I did. However after 8 years I finished GTA 4 trilogy chronologically for the first time ever yesterday and quite frankly the story is so well done, I mean yeah it has missions that are not part of the main story but I mean that has happened in every GTA specially GTA 3 which is the most similar game to GTA 4. Claude and NIko are both mercenaries and take on jobs to get money and get to bigger bosses of the criminal underworld but the thing is GTA 4 had a more interesting reason, which was to survive with his cousin. I personally like how Niko sees it too, he's good at it and it pays good so he does it. I'm honestly impressed on how even having "Filler missions" where actually pretty interesting I mean every character had a story behind it and by the time you get to Patrick, everything is related. He's one of my favorite characters btw. One thing I like about this game is the Car conversations that can be ignored easily or just missed for whatever reason but you learn a lot from the characters even on gameplay which I love. The cutscenes are just a part of the character but the car conversations are the other bigger part. Sometimes it's a fun line or a sarcastic tone, angry comment or even an emotional and personal conversation. I think that's a really good detail that revolutionized imo the characters in game. The 3D era GTAs didn't have that or they just had like one sentence but never actually followed by another and in here, there's actually a whole conversation going on while you drive. I agree on the friends and girlfriends activities part, I think they aged pretty well or at least for me too and the conversations while driving are the bigger reason for it. There's just so much detail about the lives of the characters that are not shown that it makes them feel more "real". Overall I prefer GTA 4 story than any other GTA, is the only story in which you are a GTA protagonist but also have an emotional and heartbreaking ending that really feels like you didn't accomplished nothing. Even NIko says at the end when Roman tells him that he did (Killed Jimmy Pegorino avenging Kate's death) and he responds with "Yeah....? I don't know....what did I do?". Every GTA protagonist excluding GTA 5 start with nothing and finished with everything, killed the big boss of the city (GTA 3, GTA LCS) or control the whole city (GTA VC, GTA VCS, GTA SA) but Niko? Niko just stayed the same, it has a Million dollars but he still has nothing because Kate died or Roman dies...yeah it's a bit dark and sad and depressing but that's the crazy thing, normally you get a happy ending, GTA 4 didn't have a happy ending at all and that's what makes it unique from all GTAs.
I recently played Gta4 and 5 on the Ps3 console, i havent played the series since the 2000's in the PS2, at first i was very impressed with the whole game, the world feels real cold and dark, indeed a radical departure from their latest entry. It seems the fans opinions on the new focus and mechanics soured over the years, such as the heavy physics and colour pallete. I personally enjoyed it alot. Even for a 13 year old ps3 game it felt futuristic and modern, i kinda miss this time when the developers cared about new games and improving the performance on the system itself. Shortly after i also finished GTA 5, and most of what was made for 4 was carried over only this time they kinda gave what the fans wanted: a san andreas remake, but an improvement was definetly the more vibrant colours and gameplay optimization. Overhaul they were very brilliant and satisfactory experiences. I do hope that rockstar can make a game this big for new hardware again.
Even with all of it's shortcomings it's still the best GTA. It just has the vibe. That vibe being the soul-crushing that happens when dreams meet reality in modern America. It's beautiful.
I think it's a great game, much ahead of it's time. To this day it's still an incredible game technologically. But for me just many the missions are too repetitive or too simple like having too much assassinations that you just need to go there, get into a simple gun fight or a simple chase and kill someone and the gameplay is weird. It lacks that "grand theft" feel from V for example (and others) that was much more creative in it's missions' design.
"It lacks that "grand theft" feel from V for example (and others) that was much more creative in it's missions' design" Lmao, what? Since when being a government b*tch, playing yoga or doing cargo work stands for "Grand Theft Auto"? What makes Grand Theft Auto, Grand Theft Auto, is working for multiple criminals in different kinds of jobs that rely on typical street kind of sh*t like drive-bys, assassinations, drug-deals, car robberies and hijacking, gang warfare, etc, just exactly what GTA 1, GTA 2, GTA III and GTA VC were, being a criminal, and exactly what GTA IV was, a celebration of all the concepts from the classic games, GTA IV missions felt more GTA than GTA V did. GTA IV is like a crime drama, GTA V is a stupid Michael Bay movie.
I'm playing through this game right now i'm somewhere around 25 hours of game. Almost at the end i think. I tried to give this game a chance i really thought it could be the masterpiece everyone says it is. But it isn't. There are too many problems that make the game unjoyable to the point there were many times i was asking myself why am i even still playing this game. The gameplay didn't age that well, the auto aim is garbage and without it it becomes really hard on a pad (at least for me), but even if you aim well you will miss most of the shots anyway and waste tons of bullets on a single enemy for no reason, the cars controls like ass, the game feels unresponsive at times sometimes i press a button and niko doesn't do anything, etc. But i think the biggest problem i have with this game is that it is way too repetitive. Drive for 5 minutes there, kill some nobodies and either lose the cops or not. I described the majority of the missions in this game right there. I have a lot of criticism for gta 5 but variety is absolutely not one of them. Overall i'm not a big fan of 4 i'll still push myself to finish the game and go through the dlcs. I don't think i will ever go back to that game though unlike gta 5, san andreas and vice city. Sorry for the long posts and thanks those who read it till the end. I really wanted to like that game but the small details that everyone talks about to say how great gta 4 is doesn't matter if the game itself isn't fun to play. And to me it isn't. Also i want to add that i'm playing the ps3 version maybe this version is more unresponsive than the pc version or whatnot.
Your biggest problem with the game is the Mission structure? You mean the mission structure R* have used for over 20 years and still exists in its most recent release RDR2. Complaining about the mission structure holds no weight when every other R* game does the same thing. It’s still fun game for million of people so you saying a game is bad because you don’t find it enjoyable is totally subjective
@@mrblonde1984 My biggest issue is the gameplay itself and the lack of variety. Of course it's subjectif some people like repetitive games and some don't. Some people like farming and i hate it. The game is fun when you're not playing the missions. I didn't find them fun or sometimes they weren't even enjoyable. And having to drive through the same places everytime you fail the missions got me bored of the game very quickly. I didn't learn or do anything special during those boring drive sections to go to the missions. Sometimes they were far too long and you could fail the mission because some dumbass npc died. The gameplay is unresponsive at times too which doesn't help. As i said that's the problems i have with the game. I don't mean to say it's a bad game. I think it's decent. But all the issues i have with the game didn't make me enjoy the game sadly. I'm still glad i went through it though and beat the game.
@@HeyMomonia the problem is the reason you hate IV or find it boring is mainly the mission structure, which is far worse in GTA V and RDR2 since they are the games that literally give you no freedom of how to do the mission, if you even dare try to be a little creative during a mission, it fails you, whereas GTA IV and previous games actually gives you freedom over missions, you can be creative doing missions. Lack of variety of what? Let me guess? Customisation? Lol the superior gameplay mechanics balances the lack of content perfectly as it literally upgraded every single gameplay mechanic over GTA SA. Look, I understand the missions can be boring or tedious but the fact is, all R* games have the same boring “go here, do this” mission structure so it feels odd to call one game out for it when all the others are guilty of it too. It just doesn’t make sense to me
@@mrblonde1984 Gta 5 doesn't let you have freedom but the missions are varied enough in what you do to not be boring. It's not about customisation i didn't really care about it tbh. And gta 4 doesn't have that much freedom either. I remember failing missions for killing a guy too soon or destroying a vehicle too soon. The weapons all feel the same too they almost do all the same damage outside of grenades, bazooka etc. Which have very limited ammo. Also my biggest issue is the why you do those missions. The game didn't get me hooked in it since i just kill a bunch of goons for some mafia guy. At least in rdr the reason as to why you do all of this is different enough to keep me invested in the story. And when i talk about mission variety is you don't do enough different things. In sa or 5 you have flight missions, you steal cars, missions on boat etc. In gta 4 only in the first part of the game you do those kind of things. After it it's follow this guy, kill goons, repeat. Also the gameplay isn't responsive enough to only have this kind of missions. I still think the game is good i just don't think it's a fun game to play. Funnily enough it's way more fun to play when i'm not playing the story and just doing random stuff and kill random people. The ragdoll physic is magnificent.
@@mrblonde1984 This game does not have the same mission structure as old GTA. *Where are the burglary missions? Where's the jetpacks? Where's the fun?*
*i feel like Luis and his story should've been apart of the game on day one along with Niko's. they tried to cram too much into Niko's story so it feels forced and out of place in many areas.....whereas if you could switch between the 2 characters, each of them could have their own catered story elements and individual experience.....and occasionally intertwine in the others story path like Kiryu and Dojima from Yakuza 0.*
i liked the game a lot back in the day and when i replayed it recently i loved it again tho very stereotypical the portray of the balcans was very accurate ( i am albanian ) and the albanian's felt too accurate to me i was laughing at every mission with albanians and i agree with you much of the game was satirical just for the sake of it
To me, this was such a unique sandbox experience especially with the unique character interactions, having more backstory revealed as the game goes on. Plus, Liberty City just feels so real, it made me visit NYC twice to look around compare with the game.
The reason why GTA IV as an open world game sucks, is that first it doesn’t fit with the story. Niko during missions is always very adamant on how he doesn’t like killing, yet in free roam you kill innocent civilians. Second, free roam is just plain boring, nothing really to do once you’ve finished the game accept for maybe a few games, that even those eventually get boring too. Not to mention there’s not many good strangers missions. Now the story is top tier, and is likely the best story of any GTA game. Honestly, in my opinion GTA IV would be better fitted to be more like Mafia, where it’s a linear story driven game, and free roam is an option.
I would say this is a great video with a failed premise, trying hard to present it only to say "I don't understand" or "in my opinion I dislike it". It feels researched and not researched at the same time. Basically a well structured rant by a person that disliked the game and yet had to play it to finish the video. Don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to have their own opinion. It's just that, from my point of view, as a person that thinks this is the best GTA game, Futurasound Productions did not try to enjoy the game and reach deeper, often stopping at the surface level and then cranking the narrative to the eleven. Maybe that's just me being a slav from Poland. In the end, what I am trying to say is that it's just a game :) P.S: GTA never was a PS2/console game for me as I played every game in the series on PC.
Thank you for watching and commenting! I'll admit, I didn't get a chance to finish GTA 4 back in the day. I only beat it for this review! So you might be right that I'm not the most qualified here. Thanks again!
It's the only one that I didn't finish. I don't know if I even hit the halfway point. So my main complaint may not be valid towards the end. But to me. It's biggest flaw was not having many of the mechanics that were my favorite parts of SA. Like hitting the gym, turf wars, running a crew, breaking and entering. So fair or not. My main complaint was its not San Andreas.
That's because it wasn't meant to be San Andreas, it was meant to be its own thing with a more serious approach and more improved core gameplay elements that make a more immersive experience. It's not GTA SA 2, it's GTA IV.
It's not a must that u play, everyone has their choice, now if u compare it with Sa obviously it will have less side activities etc so nothing wrong. Better be open minded and play as a different game that's it
i wonder, if you have any thoughts and feelings about the Yakuza series? There are probably too many games overall but the ones that stand out may be some of the best games in the open world action genre imo, though they probably don’t meet the expectations of someone looking for a game like GTA
Finaly someone understand the problem with the game. Its dragged and boring. Its fetching you some character stuff then let you forget all about that cuz of so many side mission and all of'em identical to other. Keep doing same thing. Whats his motivation ? Revenge ? Then why he come to visit Roman but instead of get in America alone. Money ? Then why Revenge ? Family ? Then why criminal activity ? Getting away from the past ? Then why doing stuff that gonna remind ur past to you ? Just Power ? Then why he is so naive about relationships, friendship and everything. He is one of the most wholesome dudes outthere. He is perfect, he can any life he wants he is that smart and talented but he choose to jeopardize everything for something we never understand that did he truly wants ? (Either revenge or family or money idk). GTA 4 had a strong start and cringe finish. Anything between were booooorrriiiiiiing ! Totaly agree with the video.
I 100% agree with this video, I’ll never forget how disappointed I was when I first booted up gta 4 coming off of San Andreas made me hate this game. Those in the comments who are saying this is better than 5 are either out of their minds or clearly have bad taste. The only major drawback with gta v is the shitty microtraction filled online mode.
@@mikelitorous5570 does not make sense when you have a LOT of money, and keep taking jobs no matter what. His objective is to find someone, yet Niko keeps doing missions for everybody, even when they dont mention helping him in exchange. That at some point in the game makes no sense.... Even with fun missions, that lack of motivation, makes it boring.
Interesting you bring up the MGS4 thing. I remember watching someone "let's play" it recently and it only then dawned on me HOW INCREDIBLE the mechanics were but barely got to be used to their full potential. I'm guessing them cramming all they could into a dual layered blu ray meant a lot of potential had to be cut. But i just thought "what if there was just one more MGS-esque sneaking chapter to allow us the full range of all the features." Anyway i haven't finished the video yet but i now do love that rockstar was ballsy enough to go in a new direction. Overall, however, for me the rinse and repeat and the being tied to the ground (aka "grounded" gameplay) weren't enough to distract me from the fact that this game just wasn't as "fun to play" as the other GTAs. I still had a great time but i was disappointed once the honeymoon period was over. I ended up preferring Saints Row 2. Very different goals for those two games but it gave me more of what i had loved from playing GTA since 1998. This game made me realise how much I love San Andreas. Vice City was still my favourite. And a bunch of people will disagree but GTA V was the one to possibly change that. It was a true GTA experience for me in the then-next gen
I’ve been saying for YEARS that this is the GOAT GTA!!!! The story is so good, the game play is the most fun, the presentation is great. It embodies exactly what it was trying to capture, and you can just feel the grittiness. Feels like a sopranos or godfather movie
Something hit me 41 minutes in. I dunno if this game is trying to be The Sopranos-esque or something like that. But sopranos - and even breaking bad - wasn't afraid to have laugh out loud moments (I dunno so much about breaking bad, I'm thinking particularly of the Hal-like delivery of "I'm talking with Ted..." while Walt is holding into the pot plant), even drawing comments about how the Sopranos could be a straight up comedy every now and then. Was GTA IV too focused on its seriousness that it held itself back on this even more so than something like unanimously-praised-for-its-writing The Sopranos, which wasn't afraid to do so? That's actually a question, not me claiming that GTA IV didn't get to the same level of comedic moments as it's been years since my last playthrough of it. EDIT: I also love how you clearly seem to be a very well-read person, often making references and comparisons to literature that I'm not, and I'm sure a lot of comment-writers aren't, versed in. And with that, you've laid a solid ass foundation for an analysis of the execution of the story writing. Yet while some comments respectfully disagree, others blatantly trash your perspective as if you just "don't get it" or just put a vague "darker = more satisfying" conclusion in their comment, demonstrating that they had no intention to consider anything outside of their stubborn love for the game
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@@davedarius7346 Not every game needs to be a carbon copy of eachother, rockstar does things different with each of their titles, if for example IV had 10x less content than SA.
I am honestly glad you revisited the GTA Franchise, among your first Videos I saw where about Vice City, they were incredible. Looking forward too it, since you got more Eyeballs on them.
The only thing i prefer in this game over GTA V are interactable restaurants and it has bowling.Other than these it’s one of the most overhyped games i’ve ever played.
Imagine making a 46 Minute video... just to say GTA IV is a Mistake on the title... This is like most people not appreciating the good side of a well known person but only focuses on their bad side and starts saying and talking about how that’s the only REAL Version of them. Still, I should be respecting this guy’s opinion no matter what considering other people have the same opinion too.
It sounds to me like a lot of this is based on your personal preferences and this is just not your type of game. GTA4 was ambitiously trying to push the sandbox game they invented into the next gen. Graphics, physics, story, immersion. Playing this game really captures the essence of early 2000s NYC. The "poor handling" cars are because the game has a realistic physics engine. It's a sardonic representation of the america more-so than satire.
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Your point around the 28min mark about Nico's apparent motivations and his story driven actions not aligning coherently; perhaps this is the _ultimate_ Rockstar take on LuDo-nArRaTivE DiSsOnANcE, where not only do the Player and Player Character have seperate, conflicting objectives/intentions, but the Player Character and the story the "In Game World" tells have a dissonance all of their own...
Sorry I said the L word 😔
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Dude ive never heard this guy curse before and its like seeing your dad cry
I've never seen my dad cry, so I don't know exactly how that feels. Honestly I've never even realized that until this comment
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@@AstralBeltdang. When you don’t see it often or never ever, then you finally do… it hits hard.
I definitely disagree with your take on IV being a mistake. No GTA game feels entirely focused on one character's story. It isn't a movie. It has to fill the game world with other interesting characters and satire, as well as missions that are actually fun to play, and I think it does that as well as any of the prior games. It also had the most fleshed out main character of any GTA at the time, and the story is actually good. There is an internal conflict with Niko and we get to play that out, and yes that can make it tough to balance with the gameplay sometimes, but if you choose to go on a gleeful rampage and the next mission has Niko regretting how violent he has become, I wouldn't blame the story for that. As far as why he would continue to commit crime after he made enough money to cover his cousin, well maybe check out Breaking Bad. Walter White didn't intend to end up where he did either, but it was compelling nonetheless. That is what makes the story dark and complex. I would also recommend playing the DLC as it lays some small groundwork for what they wanted to do in V, which is have three protagonists that interact. If you just didn't like it then that's fine, but the video was filled with nitpicking and repeating yourself on things that clearly didn't wow you. That doesn't make it a mistake. It is still a popular and highly rated GTA game for a reason, but that doesn't mean you have to like it either. I appreciate the time you put into the video though. I'll have to check out your channel further.
I totally agree completely
He mentioned the breaking bad argument and spent a solid minute or two saying using it as an example done right
I like 4 the most, even more than 5.
The driving is iffy yeah but overall the game is great, single player DLC, tiny details to mess around with and a big cast of characters that get fleshed out while hanging out.
Physics engine was way beyond anything on the market and still is one of the most complex and responsive engines in existence. Sure, some parameters were overblown and cars felt like you were driving a loaded truck with most of the park in the game. But fights, objects you threw and ran over, people when they were hit with cars, fell from stairs or under a train behaved so naturally, it was mind-blowing back in the day and remains impressive even today. V was simplified SIGNIFICANTLY when it comes to physics, they went for graphics first and were too limited by 360 era hardware to fit in an enormous map with complexity of IVs physics but with updated graphics of V.
@@UsernamesHandle nah, the damage model was superb! It was all about this feeling, like you're driving a heavy truck on ice, it was present in most of cars in the game.
@@UsernamesHandle Fair enough. Let's call it a truck on ice with chained wheels then. You know what I mean, the drag and drift was really too high in with IV.
It was the online mode
The game was okay - the multiplayer was godly:')
Good times
@@smithexem They were not limited by the hardware. Almost every single thing that was downgraded in the game was a deliberate design decision (as stupid as they were). The game uses the same physics engine and code base as IV, just very poorly configured for whatever reason. Physics weren't even the reason IV ran poorly either, just code and map optimization (very poorly setup from a technical perspective hence why there's a project in the works called RevIVe). You could easily fix at least half the game's issues with simple tweaks. Here's also better euphoria modded onto PS3:
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To me, GTA4 is easily the best in the series. Best story and best city. Shocked you haven’t played the DLC’s before making this as they really are more than tacked on extra stories. Keep making the great content though.
(Half way through watching)
It's not to you, it's a fact that GTA 4 is the best
@@jinsuchilt4647 best clunker of a game. The gameplay is like playing with a brick
@@firstlast4688 Still better than GTA V with its downgraded physics, downgraded reactions, downgraded gunplay, downgraded hand-to-hand combat, downgraded enemy/police behaviour, downgraded NPC and player health, downgraded car destruction/collisions, downgraded pedestrian AI, downgraded player input in missions, etc, or a game where in general, even basic mechanics like crouching and holding onto ledges are completely removed.
Literally the only thing that mess sustancially improved in the core gameplay was the controls, everything else is fun of retarded decisions.
@@jinsuchilt4647 yes it is definitively and the ballad of gay tony was actually good unlike other game dlcs
@@danwordgod2017 the only thing gta5 has over 4 is the car customization, you can tell rockstar put a lot of time in that
The thing is, you're viewing the aesthetic through a 2021 lens. Back in 2008, that dark, gritty aesthetic was the cool thing and you know what? Some people actually like it. Also, I partially agree with you on the car handling. Rockstar seem to make all the cars in their games handle the same as one another (all cars handle like a 70's Chrysler New Yorker in GTA 4 and all cars handle like a go-kart in GTA 5). I still much prefer the challenge of GTA 4's handling over 5's handling though. Like, it actually takes time to master it and I put many hours into multiplayer races doing just that. Best case scenario would be if they actually put the time and effort into making every car handle truly differently for the next game, but I'd still be happy if we got something in between GTA 4's and GTA 5's handling.
GTA IV’s driving isn’t even they hard, I don’t understand why so many people bitch and moan about it. You need to know what kind of drivetrain each car has and you can’t floor the pedal in every car. The triggers are sensitive and are accurately realistic when driving with a controller.
Basically you are saying that IV hasn't aged well by saying ''you are looking at it through a 2021 lens''.
@@kixinmaddick7424 Yeah but GTA V is better and it has aged a lot better too, GTA IV already became outdated when V released, that was 2013.
V will become outdated (hopefully) when VI comes out, because then it wont be the best anymore.
@@kixinmaddick7424 “horifficaly” LOL
I already stopped there, i have no fucking clue how GTA V could have aged “horrifically” especially more so than the game from 2008 with muddy graphics and clunky gameplay.
Nothing of what you said is true, way more people hate GTA IV lol and that is just a fact that you can waste 10 hours researching. Personally i dont have the time for you stupid statements.
@@thirdhandlv4231 How did GTA IV become outdated when V released, when V downgraded pretty much every gameplay mechanic? Everything from driving/flying to gunplay to melee combat to AI to police/wanted system to movement/climbing and others either became simplified and or uninteresting.
Seems like a deliberately overcomplexed take on a simplistic view of a sophisticated game, all the questions raised are answered by the game itself if you pay attention. Definitely a masterpiece
Thank you! 🙌
Nah. No way is it a masterpiece. This game was sooooo constricted. The customization was no where to be seen, characters bland, activities boring, car handling trash.
Honestly there was more fun to be had in Gay Tony. Better characters better story.
I personally didn't like GTA V either. I think I have outgrown GTA to be honest and prefer red dead redemption 1 and 2 way more than those recent GTA games.
Not a masterpiece.
RDR2 is their Magnum Opus. Not debatable. GTA was great, but in reality the series is mainly for casual gamers. Which is why it sells 100 million copies, because people who don't really play games a lot are the ones who play GTA all the time. Thats just a fact. It's a low info game
@@kronosleblu888 overall I get what you’re saying but there’s still craziness and fun to be had. I think your expectation is what let you down. The fact that you didn’t enjoy GTA V is more about your tastes than these games.
Yeah gta4 had it's issues. But damn that loading screen music when you first start up the game. Slaps.
Yeah haha, this and SA menu music always gets me!
This was the first PS3 game I tried. I was blown away by the graphics and open world. This game has a special atmosphere that is hard to discribe that I haven't felt elsewhere. I too remember that loading screen so well and getting pumped to play.
Still less issues than GTA V, that tries to do too much but fails miserably in almost everything.
@@maxrates same
I also have a lot of issues with the game but the ost isn't one of them. This game has great music.
I would suggest taking a look at the DLC content for this game first, and then moving on to "five".
Otherwise (at least for me) this "conversation" would feel unfinished...
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they did a great job of rounding out most of the rough edges he complained about in this video
I’m still looking for that 200th pigeon 🤬
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I love GTA IV, felt insanely detailed especially in 2008. Absolutely loved the physics and feel of the game. And the fist fighting was fun too, was cool that one punch knockouts were rare but sometimes you’d get them.
Honestly, I think this game has the best story, themes and characters of the entire GTA franchise. I even think that, at times, it looks and plays better than 5. The controls can be unpleasant at first, but are easily adjusted to. I love it. It's the darkest and most realistic of all the GTA games. Normally I hate games that start out with small, tedious and repetitive tasks, but it works perfectly with the game's narrative as well as its very dark and cynical take on the "American dream". I also like the subtle touch of Niko using less and less of his native tongue as the story progresses, and he gets more and more wrapped up in his new American life.
The only downside of this game is that it has less of the ridiculous fun of the PS2 era games. But if you want that, play those games. This game went for something different, and in my opinion it succeeded incredibly well. I'm kind of tired of GTA using the New York setting now, but whenever I want to revisit it, it'll always be the version in 4.
Either way, this is a well thought out and presented video. Cheers.
@@psx2514 it's absolutely part of what makes a good video game. GTA IV might not have the wildest gameplay in the franchise, but it still plays great too.
@@psx2514 Look how wrong you are.
The story of GTA IV is to become a hitman for the mafia. What's so special about that?
@@tompadinho that's a fairly simple way of looking at it. That's like saying GTA V is just a series of heists. Think of Niko's motivations, where he starts out and how his views are altered over the course of the story. How the idea of the "American Dream" is deconstructed.
@@chronic_johnson_a.r.a.b well, it would have been more interesting to follow Niko in his journey of finding out where his fellow soldier buddies were hiding out. Not just have the mafia do all that for him.
Instead we're just shooting, and attack heavily guarded facilities all the time. It's like playing Call of Duty.
And why does Niko do that? To get paid. For the money. He says this over and over again.
Play the game again and you'll see what I mean.
To be honest as much as the story is good you ain't wrong the game was kind of boring even if the story was good
Yep, he is totally wrong.
Without a doubt, GTA4 is the best one out of the series.
It felt the most grounded and Grey, just like the world.
I wish the controls were a bit more user friendly.
@@JoshuaElijahC it controls like a brick. I hate the camera angle for driving and how it controls. As some who play tacing simulator games it feels not a thing like realistic driving
@@firstlast4688 Every single R* open world game controls "Like a brick".
@@JoshuaElijahC The controls aren't very user friendly in most R* games, just look at RDR2.
@@danwordgod2017 I never got that feeling with San Andreas or GTA V. Heck, theres also Midnight Club
Masterpiece. Important to remember how mind blowing and modern the game felt at the time of release.
yeah it was pretty good the graphics still hold up
that's called a tech demo. it looks like shit now and played like shit even back then
So a black and white game = modern?
@@albatross7 It ain't black and white, Keep hating, hater!!
The game is a masterpiece and holds up even now, undoubtedly!! Not just at the time of release.....
Masterpiece
@Songoku4000 5 is a much much more boring game
@VegetaPlays Barber? lmfao
@VegetaPlays Could you care to explain why you hate this masterpiece?
Your opinion which doesnt mean shit
Gta4:
-limited customisation
-repetitive missions
-less side events
-less vehicles
-No purchasable apartments/properties
-over exaggerated physics
-No planes
-extremely unoptimised (main point)
-many bugs and glitches
-no military
-no hills/mountains
1. I hate to say it but I just can’t stand the driving mechanics in 4, I feel like they made it a little too realistic
2. The game’s lighting is way too dark sometimes, there have been times where I had to shut my blinds to even see anything
3. I find it ridiculous how there are no checkpoints in any of the missions, considering how long they are and how difficult some of them could be. Having to drive to the same place and hear the same conversations over and over can get tedious and annoying
Those are the only problems I have with the game, really. Other than that it’s a great game but it’s definitely not as perfect as a lot of people seem to make it out to be.
GTA wouldn't get mid-mission checkpoints until TLAD in February 2009.
sounds like a skill issue if you cant drive in gta 4
one of the best and the darkest stories rockstar have ever tried to tell. the gameplay is obviously of its own time and has aged - but still a tonne of fun to play. definitely one of my favourite games of all time.
Its worse than its own time when San andreas from 2005 had more to do than it
the thing i hate the most about gta 4 is the physics. they say it's "the best physics of all time" but i just think its extremely overexagerated: if you go faster than 50 kmh on a motorbike and hit something you will literally fly like a plane and wake up in the hospital with 2000 dollars left, turning a car is also terrible, if you're going a little fast it's impossible to turn.
not to mention the fact that the map is so small that they had to make slower cars, wich makes most of the mission boring since 50% of gta 4 mission are about driving to a place and the other.
the plot is okay, but very depressing and it feels like there are a lot of useless mission and some over the edge missions where you kill a million bad guys and run a way while chased by the mafia or something.
shooting is also terrible, very little variation of guns and you'll miss 70% of the shots you take.
the soundtrack is amazing tho and it's the best along with san andreas
overall i think it's the worst gta since gta 3.
@@randomname5646 Like more to do what? gym? eat and become fat? learning fighting skills.. niko is a veteran and doesnt need to learn more fighting skills or go to gym
@@lakshveerchauhan289GTA SA is more than that.
@@francy8589 "if you go faster than 50 kmh on a motorbike and hit something you will literally fly like a plane and wake up in the hospital with 2000 dollars left"
This isn't GTA V where you die extremely easily from vehicle collisions.
"shooting is also terrible, very little variation of guns and you'll miss 70% of the shots you take."
Control your shots? Tap fire? Burst fire? Crouch? The Complex crosshair grows the longer you fire your gun to show you that your gun becomes less accurate the longer you hold the trigger. It works pretty similarly to San Andreas, except you don't have to wait for the crosshair to shrink to original size when you let off the trigger.
One of the best character in the whole series because he's intelligent, takes no shit and gets shit done. Not a push over.
Yes and considering how 4 was all about your friends and family with Niko's journey. 5 really annoyed me with Michael because hes so untrustworthy.
@@kevo300 Exactly! Couldn't agree more.
A man who was mentally destroyed in on of the most ugly wars since ww2. One of the things that makes his character so great is that on one of the dates Niko goes with Kate. He explains that he constantly lies to Roman about his mother. He keeps saying she died in a fire. The real truth he can’t bring himself to tell Roman. He bugs Roman for his optimism. But still appreciates it enough not to potentially rip it away from Roman all the same.
I would disagree on that. Niko kills anyone and everyone he's asked to kill, all for money. Even when he complains about the Jersey mob, he still goes out and kills for them with some excuse that he needs money.
@@mikemurdock7234 better than Franklin, Trevor and Michael who are legit errand boys for the entire game.
Best GTA ever!! Even today i still play this baby. GTAIV will always be the most epic game of my life!!
poor Johnny
Was it your first GTA game you played?
@@DeanBiddler Absolutely not. But to me was the best. Still is to this day. I played all GTAs.
How are you not getting bored?
After the story there is nothing to do. Unlike V and SA, atleast I can modify cars and tumble down mountains.
Because i love the game.
I don't buy that "but GTA IV is more serious" idea. The game is still as much reckless and ridiculous as the previous entries, not only gameplay-wise, but story-wise too. It's very hard to take things seriously there, let down compare this game to criminal epics like Heat or Scarface, which tried a little bit to be close to the ground. This one however is no more realistic or grounded than San Andreas or Saints Row 1-2 given the amount of absurdity and mayhem happening on the screen, but pretends to be otherwise. I can understand that many people fell in love with this game because of it's aesthetics and technology, but it's story is very inconsistent and thematically dissonant and the game just doesn't know what it wants to be. Despite game's core gameplay mechanical brilliance, mission design is mostly mediocre, especially in the first third of the game.
Facts.
@@lefez9015 Facts. But I disagree with the core gameplay mechanics, shooting feels meh, driving physics made it clear this was just a game that was nowhere close to real life. Body physics were overexaggerated that it looks like its what people who dont shoot guns thinks what happens to a person when they get shot
I loved the mission design, I'd say it had the perfect balance between scriptness and freedom I've seen in an open world game.
I disagree with you, completely. Gta4 was something else entirely on so many levels. I understand you not enjoying it for the reasons stated, but I wish you would have taken into account that this game came out at a time where everyone wanted games that were gritty and dreary with a depressing atmosphere. It's a product of its time for sure. But it says more for Rockstar that they were able to adapt like that and keep current with their releases. The more I hear you complain about how it plays and loosely compare it to other titles in the series, the less it makes sense....it seems, if anything, it's a cookie cutter of the last 3 games before it as they all did the same things. Go here, do the thing, leave.
In Niko himself, it made sense to me. He wasn't just a bad person, he still has a conscience, he is also a thinker, but he was also flawed and human. He was struggling with a lot and over the course of the game he found his true self. He started out with an idea, a dream, that he could start over and be a different person with a new start. When he got there, to America, land of opportunity, he realized it's really no different. People are still people flawed and shitty. He eventually gives into to who he actually is, accepts it, and embraces it,
Ngl tho, Roman was annoying... "cousin! It is your cousin! Let's go bowling!"
Also, bringing up breaking bad, you really contradict yourself. They made it pretty clear Walter was always this way, he just his from it. He found a reason to stop acting and embrace the sociopathic borderline psychopathic was he really was.
Honestly about to tear up reminiscing on all the good memories around when this game was in its prime. Life was good
My opinion one of the worst stories of a GTA very boring main character and just a fixer for people, the city looks amazing
V is boring and is the worst in the series.
Im sorry
But ill never forget Niko telling Roman that you can never drop your baggage and pretend to be someone else even if you go to a new place
It wasnt even a lesson I needed myself
But it was in those moments I realized how wise Gta 4 is.
The best GTA story ever told.
It’s such a grounded story I love it.
@@NateMakesMusic so grounded that you latch onto a helicopter after driving off a ramp on a dirt bike.
keep on coping edgelord
I have no desire to ever play GTA IV again, it is easily the most boring GTA I have ever played.
So many features from the previous GTA's that really made them feel like 'sandbox' games were completely scrapped in favour of realism. I think that is my main gripe with GTA IV; they focused too much on realism and completely forgot about including whacky/goofy fun stuff you could when there could have been a healthy balance.
Where are the jetpacks, aeroplanes, chainsaws, miniguns, quadbikes, hovercrafts, vehicle customisation, cheats that let you fly cars/drive on water etc?
This game is a prime example of why making a game realistic doesn't mean it's going to be good.
If you played GTA SA before this game came out, I cannot see how you could possibly think GTA IV better.
Keep in mind that GTA IV was going for a completely different feel & was a complete reboot of the GTA series. So having all of the over the top stuff would feel out of place when playing as Niko or Johnny.
At the time of release, this one was a huge letdown for me coming off games like GTA SA and SR1, while it was impressive in many ways it was just so boring as a GTA game...but it's aged very well and the attention to detail along with the story set in a tightly packed HD Liberty City makes it an amazing experience. It's a very slow, grounded, gritty game and that's how it was intended to be and it does it extremely well. But I was happy that with GTA V they gave us back a lot of the GTA features GTA IV was missing. But San Andreas will always be #1 for me.
Not sure how it can be "boring" as a GTA game, when it totally does the core mechanics of the franchise (Driving and shooting), way better than the previous games.
the base of your channel are metal gear fans, but this is a really great video to start getting into another series, I would really like you talking about little background details about many games that have deep lore. anyways, good luck if you decide that
god, if he gets into the shin megami tensei games...
I want this to get a remaster along with 3 and Vice City
If we keep getting GTAV remasters, I wanna see all the other GTA games bundled together.
What we need is the story to start in Liberty City and as you progress through the game - creating your drug empire (utilising some of the ideas from China Town Wars) - you are forced to flee and move to Vice City.
Only after you have conquered Vice City, creating a network of drug runners, hired guns, smugglers etc can you then return to Liberty City to reclaim your home and take revenge against your old business partner.
After the endgame sequence it should then show you, a badass big time badboi, flying to London to set up a business venture.. ohhhhhhhhh yeeaaahhhh
Your slow
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it looks good enoug and the pysics are already great
I'm voting masterpiece. I never once missed any of the stuff removed from San Andreas
The world design and immersion factor made that game a lot more engaging for me. The game instead became more about the trouble I got in on my way to missions or even on them.
Some side activities were fine. Exploring was cool for a bit. But I just loved pushing that story along for all the characters. I think Rockstar really began to master their narrative design and character development here. The cast was varied and a joy to watch.
The DLCs were really where it began to shine. Especially by Ballad of Gay Tony which began to mix in some of the best of the old and new. But Niko's story was still my favorite.
I still think they're swan song that generation was Red Dead Redemption. And ultimately GTA V becomes the more fun game to just pick up and play.
But IV holds a spot in my heart few games have captured. And there are few games that I've ever replayed as much.
I'm definitely not arguing against people who were disappointed by it, because it's definitely different than the games that preceded it. But I liked that difference.
Nah, GTA IV and RDR1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GTA V.
gta4 is notorious for its uncompromising fanbois. usually people who were kids or teens when they first played it, and it "woke them up" to the reality of adult life. its nostalgic to them for that reason alone. that's why you say "the story is a masterpiece" and other subjective opinions. in any case, rockstar perfected the narration with rdr1 and especially Red dead redemption 2, which was a "serious" game series from the onset.
gta has always been based on "mess around with no consequences" in a sandbox environment with loads of humor.. ever since the first one on PlayStation back in the day.
Sorry fanboy’s being nostalgic is not a good argument this game is still entertaining. The dialogue (whether it woke you up or not) is very well written for me to pass it more than any gta which is very impressive given the amount of content this game has compared to the other gtas.
It just feels more grounded atleast most of the characters are more interesting, and take it from me I thought trevor was my favorite for a while, but now realize niko has just more depth to him and his dialogue speaks for itself and just makes you want hear more of about his backstory.
I wouldn’t call it a mistake, but I still think it’s probably the worst GTA game I’ve completed. It just lacks the fun missions that the other ones have. The missions are very repetitive. I also don’t like the story that much, and personally prefer the stories of the other GTA games. I want GTA stories to be about becoming rich and powerful. Niko is the GTA protagonist that I like the least. I also don’t like that you can’t really do anything with the money you earn, you can only buy guns and clothes. At the end of the game it didn’t feel like you achieved anything. You’re rich, but you lost a person very close to you.
And BTW, I’m not bad at driving in this game at all (driving is in my opinion quite easy to get decent at). I still think the driving is absolutely horrible in this game. It looks really weird and feels less realistic than in the GTA games prior.
While I don’t think this game is horrible, I don’t think it’s good and I think it’s massively overrated. Perhaps if the fans of this game wouldn’t constantly act like this is the best game of all time while hating on the superior GTA 5, I wouldn’t dislike the game as much.
And many gta 4 soyboys will say that that's the lesson of a person living the life of crime.
Which I think is a huge pile of dung. Its the most generic and cliched ending and lesson of all time. The only reason I see someone resonating with this message is if they have never seen a movie in their life
@@IndoGunsnGearI don’t even really mind that type of message, even if I don’t think it’s necessarily true. However, what’s it doing in a GTA game. ‘Crime is bad’ ‘Crime will ruin your life’ this is GTA, get out of here with that stuff. I want to have fun, not be lectured.
The missions in IV are literally like those in GTA III, but with more emphasis on narrative, you can't expect a game where you play as a hitman, having anything other than being, well, a hitman. The driving is definitely more realistic than previous games, this shouldn't even be discussed, and no, GTA V is not a superior game at all.
@IndoGunsnGear hahaha I think of the many people who say it's dark and depressing like real life. And I'm like "what fucking life have you been living????!!!!" I highly doubt if their life resembled this they wouldn't have the time to go play GTA IV that much and rant on youtube
GTA 4 is not for 9 year old kids 😂
"...Loyalty is only a virtue within reason"
Damn son. That's nothing if not quotable.
I'll always have a soft spot for GTA4. Maybe because I'm an immigrant myself, or because just before release I lived in Brooklyn for a few months. I respect the hell out of the game and at least it doesn't feel unfinished or half-baked. But, it's absolutely true that this is the odd one in the series. Even though I feel that GTA5 is also plagued by a bad story and characters, I think it did a better job of functioning as a fun sandbox
I disagree. GTA V downgraded pretty much every single gameplay mechanic and added the most unfun features to have ever been added in the series.
@@BDozer666 shut up dro you can do tennis and yoga in 5, those are really fun things ive always wanted to do in a murder simulator!
Oh, sure! GTA V! A funner sandbox!
With its robotic, scripted, unsatisfying and completely downgraded physics engine (Goodbye messing around with the ragdolls), its completely downgraded car destruction (Goodbye crashing your car at high speeds just for fun), it's ridiculously sensitive wanted system that will get you 3 stars for almost everything you do and almost instantly doesn't matter where you are and that takes ages to lose (Goodbye messing around with NPCs for a good amount of time) its overly broken police and enemy AI with Terminator accuracy that will kill you in seconds doesn't matter if you're hidden inside a dumpster or driving at 120 MPH (Goodbye fun gunfights with cops, where you could last a lot of time and you didn't have to rely on being on cover like a pussy), combined with a downgraded and weak af health system that will get you death for everything that happens to you in a blink (Goodbye messing with Niko and the physics engine, and having unpredictability of health, ala GTA IV again), its insta car explosions at every single land or crash (Goodbye stunt fun) and that can even kill you almost instantly (Goodbye sending Niko to fly with explosives), its almost complete absense of interiors (Goodbye roleplaying and having variety of place to hide from cops or even have gunfights with them), its NPCs overreactive NPCs that will call the cops on you on foot , or directly run into you (Goodbye, a world with normal NPCs that are neutral to the player, like EVERY open world should be), its complete lack of action packed side content ala Vigilante, Gang Wars or Drug Wars of GTA IV/EFLC (Goodbye reasons to use your weapons in free-roam), it's complete lack of basic parkour features like hanging onto ledges (Goodbye, jumping from roof to roof without smashing your face to a wall like an idiot), and I can keep going on, and on.
GTA V did everything but a better job than GTA IV when it comes to fun-factor and sandbox fun, it may have more stuff to mess around with like planes or a countryside, but the execution of the gameplay itself just sucks compared to its predecessor, the only thing it does remotely better is the controls and some minor improvements like the weapon wheel, but that's it.
"tHe oDd oNe oF tHe sEriEs"
The proof you need to know to notice if someone is an actual GTA fan or a casual gamer that happens to like the a couple of games of the franchise. If you truly had a "Soft spot for GTA IV" you wouldn't be disrespecting it so much.
@@grapesoder1301 “yoga is fun in GTA V”
_Said no one...ever_
Go revisit final fantasy 12 its quite detailed and remarkable for the time
hello I see you like metal gear I like metal gear too
You know I think I feel the same way about GTA IV. I played through it earlier this year, even though the entire experience of both the main game and its DLC felt like a well designed, polished product and Niko Bellic is quite possibly one of the most believable human-feeling protaganists I have ever seen in really any game I couldn't escape the feeling that over and over the experience left me cold. It's not that any one part of the game felt poorly designed or didn't mesh with my personal tastes as a gamer as many of the games I play are experientially not much different from GTA IV. No something about the whole of the experience just felt off.
To me the biggest problem is that it's too repetitive.
Drive there, kill some goons, repeat. That describes the majority of what you will do in this game.
It felt more like max payne but with boring, useless bad driving before every mission.
I understand that niko is only good at murdering people but the same thing could be said about michael and trevor or cj but the games still were varied and fun to play.
I still haven't finished the game i'm almost at the end but i'm so bored of the max payne like missions. It also doesn't help that the gameplay isn't responsive and that you to waste so many bullets to kill just one person sometimes.
There are times were i press the shoot button and niko shoots once or twice and then stops for no reason.
I really wish i enjoyed the game more but i don't think i'll go back to it after finishing it unlike i did for sa and 5.
@@HeyMomonia Can't say I disagree with you. I fully understand many people loved GTA IV. Though as I understand GTA IV is also kind of known as the black sheep of the GTA series. For being darker, more serious, the driving physics, and other reasons. So perhaps we aren't alone in not being able to connect with the game.
@@MrDueltube Honestly if the game was fun and had more variety in the missions i wouldn't complained that much.
I understand what they were trying to do and at times it was pretty decent.
But the lack of variety and no interesting character outside of niko made the game really boring to play after a few hours.
This game for me is where Rockstar jumped the shark. In the previous GTA games, there was so much to do with activities that made the overworld feel lively. They sacrificed a lot of that in GTA 4 for "realism" and prettier graphics. Why would I want to go bowling or drinking in a game, when I can do that in real life? Even the PSP GTA games had fun side missions that were better than this. The driving was one of the worst aspects of this game and for realism, if you slam forward into something, Niko goes flying out the wind shield. The previous games were fun to drive any car, GTA 4 made it a chore. The overworld is huge, but what is there to do? You can't buy property or own anything. You get all this money you can't do anything with. There's no real dangerous parts of the city to distinguish themselves from other areas like in GTA 3 or San Andreas. All of it kinda blends in and just feels the same.
They want the game to be more realistic but keep their crude humor that just don't fit. Previous GTA games had so much stuff to collect and do across the city. Completing the paramedic side mission gave you unlimited sprint, hidden packages gave you a cache of weapons etc. All that is gone in this game.
You focus a lot of this video on the story and those criticisms are valid. This game is where Rockstar tried to write something serious, yet they had to keep the crude humor in it and it just don't mesh well. Between a serious plot, there's all the jokes from Roman about strip clubs and so forth. The Housers never really matured or developed as writers and GTA 4 was a shining example of that. I couldn't connect with Niko as a protagonist cause he's just a blood thirsty sociopath. In the previous games, it felt like they were making fun of the mafia and crime movie archetypes, whereas this one tries to be serious. GTA 5 would be even worse with it's unlikable protagonists.
The only thing GTA 5 improved on slightly was the clunky movement and gameplay. Niko gets caught up in doors at times, the combat is a clunky mess and as I mentioned before, driving a car is one of the biggest pains in the game. GTA 5 had better combat and player movement but still left me feeling massively let down and disappointed.
Haven't watched the video yet but I'm always surprised at how much flak GTA4 gets. I'm a huge fan. Love the NYC setting, the darker storyline and while the vehicle physics were quite a deviation from the GTA3 series, they were very rewarding once you got the hang of them. It's a shame the PC port was so badly optimised. Also really liked the story expansions, thought they did a great job of bringing some balance to the otherwise quite dark main story (well, mainly talking about TBoGT there)
Yeah vehicles felt weighty I liked the driving once you got used to it, but Niko's personality and cutscene convos as well as the whole story was for me dissapointing.
there isnt any flak, the opposite happens. it's unnecessarily "praised" over and over, driven by their fanbois. someone has to tell the truth on it, glad there's some criticism of it.
Always great to see futura branching out!
To me GTAIV was the last true great GTA game it had a lot of interesting idea with the setting but when V came out it was nothing more then god damn cash grab.
The villians in 5 were a complete joke
Yeah right?
@@kevo300 Devin weston a soyboy
GTA 5 is amazing, wtf are you talking about?
You will be the same person to say "gTa 5 wAs tHe lAsT gOoD gTa" when 6 gets released.
Okay people who lack ways to describe GTA IV as only the Dark story and all that. Don't forget Red Dead Redemption 1 and 2, Max Payne Triology, LA Noire. Rockstar have an impeccable talent for writing brilliant stories and steer them in any direction they wish. Usually tthe other GTA games are mostly parodies of our societies and use levity mostly in their stories coupled with Excellent and unforgettable Voice acting. So, here's your one reason that this game was dark and shit as you have nothing to talk about
GTA IV was in itself legendary because of it's dialogue, voice acting and physics engine along with many things.
As for the story, I loved it in the beginning as how Niko gets sucked in the criminal underworld due to Roman's Debts but after Moving To another state the story kinda gets stale. Niko keeps earning money which his cousin seemingly wastes on gambling and strip clubs despite being attacked multiple times and you see Niko keep engaging in criminal activities. The missions too get repetitive and boring. Half of them are trailing missions or just going to some place and blowing people up and that. The story arc for Niko finding the traitor was well done and good. The ending is a twist, if You pay heed to Roman's greed he dies. If you choose to Respect Kate, she is killed. It's good storytelling, of course the characters along with way were also interesting like always
I’ll give rockstar credit for trying something different, but I really don’t think it worked, gta 4 feels so different to the point that it doesn’t even feel like a gta game.
GTA IV literally is one the games that follows GTA essence the best. A game where you play as a hired gun for varying criminal organizations to reach a certain objective, it is literally GTA III on steroids.
V on the other hand is a FIB lapdop simulator across its whole story, and a retired simulator by the end. There aren't even criminal side activities in the damn thing.
i remember being hugely disappointed coming from gta san andreas to this gta 5 was a return to what i wanted from a gta game(apart the crappy online) like you said by trying to be more realistic it forgot what made prior gta fun
Too bad that GTA V sucks.
@@paulbell3682 it doesn't just because the multiplayer is popular and it got many rerelease and its cool to hate on popular stuff doesn't mean it sucks
Gta 5 single player and map is far more memorable and fun than gta 4
The funny thing most people that say gta4 is their favorite gta4 is because its their first gta game they ever played so its not a valid opinion gta4 is the edgy moody serious family member of the gta series
@@DJBV It's the complete opposite for me as I can't remember anything from GTA V's story besides the heists & Michael losing his family & the map sucks as well because there's nothing to do outside of LS & the game even removes details that were in other GTA games, especially GTA IV.
Also, San Andreas was my first GTA, but GTA UV is not only my favourite GTA, but my favourite game of all-time (including TLAD & TBOGT).
@@paulbell3682For GTA 4 fanboys.
@@Carl-edits346 I've since changed my opinion as I love GTA V, but not as much as GTA IV.
Masterpiece no if, ands or buts
Can't wait for the GTAV video. A game built around the theme of the pursuit of happiness or money, becomes the very thing it satirises through its online mode.
And? How about you look at V and not online and stop whining and bitching about shit that you can avoid.
I didnt enjoy Online so i just left it and did something i enjoyed rather than make pointless drama.
@@thirdhandlv4231 Bruh. I was looking at V. It's narrative theme is the pursuit of happiness/money and you being tired of the complaints of the Online mode don't dismiss the critique and irony of a game series built on satirising corporate greed becoming the very thing they make jokes about.
@@PlebNCyeah it is ironic, but i doubt the devs and the writers of the game knew or had a big role to the shitstain gta online turned out to be.
@@jarlboof Doing nothing to stop it is complicity to the crime.
Wouldn't have been so bad if they actually balanced the weaponised vehicles. At launch it wasn't so bad because the Buzzard was vulnerable to infantry guns shooting the pilot and couldn't lock onto player vehicles so aiming was required, the Tank could be easily outrun on foot and the jet was only really useful for taking out Buzzards specifically.
Fast forward to today and weaponised vehicles are a masterclass in how to f**k up game balance.
@@PlebNC i doubt they had any say in the matter, or maybe they did, and just said fuck it once the big dollars started pouring. Anyway, fuck gta online, i remember back in 2013 2014 hearing about it, and the idea of playing online in gta was like a dream to me (i was still a kid stuck with a ps2 lol) but after a few years when i got my hands on a ps4 and finally tried i felt a real big disappointment, and gradually stopped playing.
Hands down this was an absolute classic, before I’ve even watched this video, I spent hours with my mates round at my house doing the 6 star challenge and having a blast, the expansions were first class the physics were unbelievable a solid 9.5 for me
The most realistic GTA but also the most boring. Cityscape with huge buildings that are just there to drive around. Nearly no customization, and drab colors. Saw a green car and got exicted over it. 😔 I'm 32 missions in, and every mission has been 'go kill them' or 'take this vehicle there'. This is the only GTA game I'm really struggling to finish.
You’re struggling to Finish a game that has the same mission structure as every single
Gta game? How you didn’t even see the bias in what you wrote is hilarious man
@@mrblonde1984have you played the other GTA games? Most other GTA games have very diverse and creative missions. Even the missions that are driving somewhere and killing a person often have you do it in a different way then in the other missions. In GTA 4 half the missions are the same
I owe a big thanks to GTA IV for my music tastes. From LCHC with Leeway, Cromags and TLAD with Bathory, Cannibal Corpse and Emtombed.
The New York soundtrack of the vast 70s rock and fusion or afrofunk music, as well as jazz. Just amazing and immersing.
Can't go wrong with Vladivostok FM and Kino, as well as guiding me to watch Brother 1997. Amazing movie and all round love for this game.
OP you suck.
Mistake definently should have never been made and dosent feel anything like a true gta title
nostalgia googles sure are a thing with Rockstar fans... as someone who beat this game 4-5 times since it's launch on PC, it's without a doubt, one of the best written GTA games, if not the best, but the gameplay along with the open world was a huge downgrade from San Andreas. outside the story, GTA 4 has very little to offer. i wouldn't call this game a mistake, but it was definitely disappointing if you came in fresh off of San Andreas and Vice City
Gameplay was literally improved across the board in IV from SA.
The fact you don’t know this tells me you’ve either never played SA or never played IV. Maybe both
@@mrblonde1984let me first fix some mistakes in my original comment: some gameplay elements were improved (character movement, no loading screens when entering buildings, modern tech being implement like phones and internet) but when it lacked a lot of stuff from SA, especially the interaction with the open world (rewarding side missions, planes, better helis, parachutes, money actually having value), plus we all know driving issue in GTA 4 (tho I personally think bikes and boats are far worse when it comes to handling than cars). also since the remasters of the trilogy came out recently, after playing them, i noticed how all 3 games aged like milk in some aspects, and it made me appreciate 4 a bit more, tho the new GTA 4 features got better with TBOGT, and then GTA 5 which brought back the good stuff from the 3D games, while maintaining some of GTA 4's realism
@@mrblonde1984 Hardly. It has some QoL features such as the GPS system, taxi cab service, cell phone, dodge/block melee attacks, throwing weapons and such, but when you look at how much was lost from the 3D Universe era games GTA4 just pales in comparison
Glad you put out a video like this to bring in more people to your amazing channel! Replayed GTA IV recently on PC and my god it's so flawed in how to run it but when it runs it's amazing
I've never had issues running it, what problems are you having?
@@Fkjb69 I don't know, I had no problems too and I don't own a great gaming PC too, just basic pc.
I gotta say I recently completed GTA 4 and its DLC in a chronological way and some story elements make much more sense and it feels like GTA 5 with 3 protagonists excluding the fact that you have to reload each game from the beginning to play as a another character, it's a really fun and more complete experience but leaving aside that, I've enjoyed GTA 4's story more now than ever. The last time I completed the story it was, believe it or not, 8 years ago, around the time GTA 5 was released on PS3 and Xbox 360 and I was just entering puberty! I've changed a lot since then, my thoughts aren't the same, my reasoning and my understanding is deeper and I appreciate GTA 4 more than before, it's definitely one of my favorites GTAs now. I love the game because it is fun and it looked pretty realistic and I basically completed it because I wanted to complete all GTAs before GTA 5 was released and so I did. However after 8 years I finished GTA 4 trilogy chronologically for the first time ever yesterday and quite frankly the story is so well done, I mean yeah it has missions that are not part of the main story but I mean that has happened in every GTA specially GTA 3 which is the most similar game to GTA 4. Claude and NIko are both mercenaries and take on jobs to get money and get to bigger bosses of the criminal underworld but the thing is GTA 4 had a more interesting reason, which was to survive with his cousin. I personally like how Niko sees it too, he's good at it and it pays good so he does it. I'm honestly impressed on how even having "Filler missions" where actually pretty interesting I mean every character had a story behind it and by the time you get to Patrick, everything is related. He's one of my favorite characters btw. One thing I like about this game is the Car conversations that can be ignored easily or just missed for whatever reason but you learn a lot from the characters even on gameplay which I love. The cutscenes are just a part of the character but the car conversations are the other bigger part. Sometimes it's a fun line or a sarcastic tone, angry comment or even an emotional and personal conversation. I think that's a really good detail that revolutionized imo the characters in game. The 3D era GTAs didn't have that or they just had like one sentence but never actually followed by another and in here, there's actually a whole conversation going on while you drive. I agree on the friends and girlfriends activities part, I think they aged pretty well or at least for me too and the conversations while driving are the bigger reason for it. There's just so much detail about the lives of the characters that are not shown that it makes them feel more "real".
Overall I prefer GTA 4 story than any other GTA, is the only story in which you are a GTA protagonist but also have an emotional and heartbreaking ending that really feels like you didn't accomplished nothing. Even NIko says at the end when Roman tells him that he did (Killed Jimmy Pegorino avenging Kate's death) and he responds with "Yeah....? I don't know....what did I do?". Every GTA protagonist excluding GTA 5 start with nothing and finished with everything, killed the big boss of the city (GTA 3, GTA LCS) or control the whole city (GTA VC, GTA VCS, GTA SA) but Niko? Niko just stayed the same, it has a Million dollars but he still has nothing because Kate died or Roman dies...yeah it's a bit dark and sad and depressing but that's the crazy thing, normally you get a happy ending, GTA 4 didn't have a happy ending at all and that's what makes it unique from all GTAs.
Way too long of a post. You could have easily made this shorter bruh.
In terms of optimization, it's a big mistake
I recently played Gta4 and 5 on the Ps3 console, i havent played the series since the 2000's in the PS2, at first i was very impressed with the whole game, the world feels real cold and dark, indeed a radical departure from their latest entry. It seems the fans opinions on the new focus and mechanics soured over the years, such as the heavy physics and colour pallete. I personally enjoyed it alot. Even for a 13 year old ps3 game it felt futuristic and modern, i kinda miss this time when the developers cared about new games and improving the performance on the system itself. Shortly after i also finished GTA 5, and most of what was made for 4 was carried over only this time they kinda gave what the fans wanted: a san andreas remake, but an improvement was definetly the more vibrant colours and gameplay optimization. Overhaul they were very brilliant and satisfactory experiences. I do hope that rockstar can make a game this big for new hardware again.
A masterpiece for me
Story it's Masterpieces, but gameplay it's mistakes
How?
Even with all of it's shortcomings it's still the best GTA. It just has the vibe. That vibe being the soul-crushing that happens when dreams meet reality in modern America. It's beautiful.
It's not even close to being the best GTA 😂
I think it's a great game, much ahead of it's time. To this day it's still an incredible game technologically.
But for me just many the missions are too repetitive or too simple like having too much assassinations that you just need to go there, get into a simple gun fight or a simple chase and kill someone and the gameplay is weird.
It lacks that "grand theft" feel from V for example (and others) that was much more creative in it's missions' design.
"It lacks that "grand theft" feel from V for example (and others) that was much more creative in it's missions' design"
Lmao, what? Since when being a government b*tch, playing yoga or doing cargo work stands for "Grand Theft Auto"? What makes Grand Theft Auto, Grand Theft Auto, is working for multiple criminals in different kinds of jobs that rely on typical street kind of sh*t like drive-bys, assassinations, drug-deals, car robberies and hijacking, gang warfare, etc, just exactly what GTA 1, GTA 2, GTA III and GTA VC were, being a criminal, and exactly what GTA IV was, a celebration of all the concepts from the classic games, GTA IV missions felt more GTA than GTA V did. GTA IV is like a crime drama, GTA V is a stupid Michael Bay movie.
Experiment turned into a masterpiece
im glad your branching out man espeically with your videos being such high effort and all
Any recommendations for tragic storytelling in games? Watch_Dogs is one of my favorites, so I'd love to see you cover that
I'm playing through this game right now i'm somewhere around 25 hours of game. Almost at the end i think.
I tried to give this game a chance i really thought it could be the masterpiece everyone says it is.
But it isn't. There are too many problems that make the game unjoyable to the point there were many times i was asking myself why am i even still playing this game.
The gameplay didn't age that well, the auto aim is garbage and without it it becomes really hard on a pad (at least for me), but even if you aim well you will miss most of the shots anyway and waste tons of bullets on a single enemy for no reason, the cars controls like ass, the game feels unresponsive at times sometimes i press a button and niko doesn't do anything, etc.
But i think the biggest problem i have with this game is that it is way too repetitive. Drive for 5 minutes there, kill some nobodies and either lose the cops or not. I described the majority of the missions in this game right there.
I have a lot of criticism for gta 5 but variety is absolutely not one of them.
Overall i'm not a big fan of 4 i'll still push myself to finish the game and go through the dlcs. I don't think i will ever go back to that game though unlike gta 5, san andreas and vice city.
Sorry for the long posts and thanks those who read it till the end. I really wanted to like that game but the small details that everyone talks about to say how great gta 4 is doesn't matter if the game itself isn't fun to play. And to me it isn't.
Also i want to add that i'm playing the ps3 version maybe this version is more unresponsive than the pc version or whatnot.
Your biggest problem with the game is the
Mission structure?
You mean the mission structure R* have used for over 20 years and still exists in its most recent release RDR2.
Complaining about the mission structure holds no weight when every other R* game does the same thing.
It’s still fun game for million of people so you saying a game is bad because you don’t find it enjoyable is totally subjective
@@mrblonde1984 My biggest issue is the gameplay itself and the lack of variety.
Of course it's subjectif some people like repetitive games and some don't.
Some people like farming and i hate it.
The game is fun when you're not playing the missions. I didn't find them fun or sometimes they weren't even enjoyable. And having to drive through the same places everytime you fail the missions got me bored of the game very quickly.
I didn't learn or do anything special during those boring drive sections to go to the missions. Sometimes they were far too long and you could fail the mission because some dumbass npc died.
The gameplay is unresponsive at times too which doesn't help.
As i said that's the problems i have with the game. I don't mean to say it's a bad game. I think it's decent.
But all the issues i have with the game didn't make me enjoy the game sadly.
I'm still glad i went through it though and beat the game.
@@HeyMomonia the problem is the reason you hate IV or find it boring is mainly the mission structure, which is far worse in GTA V and RDR2 since they are the games that literally give you no freedom of how to do the mission, if you even dare try to be a little creative during a mission, it fails you, whereas GTA IV and previous games actually gives you freedom over missions, you can be creative doing missions.
Lack of variety of what? Let me guess? Customisation? Lol the superior gameplay mechanics balances the lack of content perfectly as it literally upgraded every single gameplay mechanic over GTA SA.
Look, I understand the missions can be boring or tedious but the fact is, all R* games have the same boring “go here, do this” mission structure so it feels odd to call one game out for it when all the others are guilty of it too. It just doesn’t make sense to me
@@mrblonde1984 Gta 5 doesn't let you have freedom but the missions are varied enough in what you do to not be boring.
It's not about customisation i didn't really care about it tbh.
And gta 4 doesn't have that much freedom either. I remember failing missions for killing a guy too soon or destroying a vehicle too soon.
The weapons all feel the same too they almost do all the same damage outside of grenades, bazooka etc. Which have very limited ammo.
Also my biggest issue is the why you do those missions. The game didn't get me hooked in it since i just kill a bunch of goons for some mafia guy.
At least in rdr the reason as to why you do all of this is different enough to keep me invested in the story.
And when i talk about mission variety is you don't do enough different things. In sa or 5 you have flight missions, you steal cars, missions on boat etc. In gta 4 only in the first part of the game you do those kind of things.
After it it's follow this guy, kill goons, repeat.
Also the gameplay isn't responsive enough to only have this kind of missions.
I still think the game is good i just don't think it's a fun game to play.
Funnily enough it's way more fun to play when i'm not playing the story and just doing random stuff and kill random people. The ragdoll physic is magnificent.
@@mrblonde1984 This game does not have the same mission structure as old GTA. *Where are the burglary missions? Where's the jetpacks? Where's the fun?*
Yo we love variety! Always gonna watch a Jorin essay no matter the subject
I honestly really like your videos that aren’t focused on MGS, while I still enjoy the vids about MGS, it makes for a nice change of pace.
One of the few games I genuinely friggin' hate. Seething. Hatred.
I'm on the opposite (& better) end of the scale because GTA IV is my favourite game of all-time.
Speaking of DLC, I'd super recommend playing both. They fix a lot of the problems you mentioned in the main game.
*i feel like Luis and his story should've been apart of the game on day one along with Niko's. they tried to cram too much into Niko's story so it feels forced and out of place in many areas.....whereas if you could switch between the 2 characters, each of them could have their own catered story elements and individual experience.....and occasionally intertwine in the others story path like Kiryu and Dojima from Yakuza 0.*
I remember the good ol' multiplayer times back in 09-10. I loved this game so much. It's the best game in the series by far.
i liked the game a lot back in the day and when i replayed it recently i loved it again tho very stereotypical the portray of the balcans was very accurate ( i am albanian ) and the albanian's felt too accurate to me i was laughing at every mission with albanians and i agree with you much of the game was satirical just for the sake of it
7:18 I got a Burger King ad right before this I'm not even lying...
To me, this was such a unique sandbox experience especially with the unique character interactions, having more backstory revealed as the game goes on. Plus, Liberty City just feels so real, it made me visit NYC twice to look around compare with the game.
GTA 4 is better solely because it actually had single player DLC
GTA IV is better solely because it had better story and core gameplay mechanics than GTA V.
@@danwordgod2017 Yeah!
What I find amazing is that I owned and played GTA4 but I simply got bored and put it down yet I love MGS; except 4 as mentioned.
I would love to hear your thoughts on GTA V
I'm always excited to watch one of your new videos. Keep them coming!
The reason why GTA IV as an open world game sucks, is that first it doesn’t fit with the story. Niko during missions is always very adamant on how he doesn’t like killing, yet in free roam you kill innocent civilians. Second, free roam is just plain boring, nothing really to do once you’ve finished the game accept for maybe a few games, that even those eventually get boring too. Not to mention there’s not many good strangers missions. Now the story is top tier, and is likely the best story of any GTA game. Honestly, in my opinion GTA IV would be better fitted to be more like Mafia, where it’s a linear story driven game, and free roam is an option.
I would say this is a great video with a failed premise, trying hard to present it only to say "I don't understand" or "in my opinion I dislike it". It feels researched and not researched at the same time. Basically a well structured rant by a person that disliked the game and yet had to play it to finish the video.
Don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to have their own opinion. It's just that, from my point of view, as a person that thinks this is the best GTA game, Futurasound Productions did not try to enjoy the game and reach deeper, often stopping at the surface level and then cranking the narrative to the eleven. Maybe that's just me being a slav from Poland.
In the end, what I am trying to say is that it's just a game :)
P.S: GTA never was a PS2/console game for me as I played every game in the series on PC.
Thank you for watching and commenting! I'll admit, I didn't get a chance to finish GTA 4 back in the day. I only beat it for this review! So you might be right that I'm not the most qualified here. Thanks again!
I feel that fans of GTA IV haven't played the game in 10 years.
GTA IV is very different "on paper" and in the actual game.
I played it again recently & it's still my favourite game of all-time.
I've played it 5 times back to back this year, still my favourite game
I played it back. Used to like the game, can't stand it now.
It's the only one that I didn't finish. I don't know if I even hit the halfway point. So my main complaint may not be valid towards the end. But to me. It's biggest flaw was not having many of the mechanics that were my favorite parts of SA. Like hitting the gym, turf wars, running a crew, breaking and entering. So fair or not. My main complaint was its not San Andreas.
That's because it wasn't meant to be San Andreas, it was meant to be its own thing with a more serious approach and more improved core gameplay elements that make a more immersive experience. It's not GTA SA 2, it's GTA IV.
It's not a must that u play, everyone has their choice, now if u compare it with Sa obviously it will have less side activities etc so nothing wrong. Better be open minded and play as a different game that's it
GTA Snore
i wonder, if you have any thoughts and feelings about the Yakuza series?
There are probably too many games overall but the ones that stand out may be some of the best games in the open world action genre imo, though they probably don’t meet the expectations of someone looking for a game like GTA
Finaly someone understand the problem with the game. Its dragged and boring. Its fetching you some character stuff then let you forget all about that cuz of so many side mission and all of'em identical to other. Keep doing same thing.
Whats his motivation ?
Revenge ? Then why he come to visit Roman but instead of get in America alone.
Money ? Then why Revenge ?
Family ? Then why criminal activity ?
Getting away from the past ? Then why doing stuff that gonna remind ur past to you ?
Just Power ? Then why he is so naive about relationships, friendship and everything. He is one of the most wholesome dudes outthere.
He is perfect, he can any life he wants he is that smart and talented but he choose to jeopardize everything for something we never understand that did he truly wants ? (Either revenge or family or money idk).
GTA 4 had a strong start and cringe finish. Anything between were booooorrriiiiiiing !
Totaly agree with the video.
GTA4 was my favorite; along with the lost and damned dlc. Absolute favorites
I 100% agree with this video, I’ll never forget how disappointed I was when I first booted up gta 4 coming off of San Andreas made me hate this game. Those in the comments who are saying this is better than 5 are either out of their minds or clearly have bad taste. The only major drawback with gta v is the shitty microtraction filled online mode.
The open world stuff is good, the story is good, but the missions are really repetitive and the gunplay mechanics are too clunky.
@@hesap1591 there are bikes
The missions suck. It's just rinse and repeat.
The missions make sense tho, Niko is a former soldier turned hitman. He’s not a gangster and he’s not a super hero
the missions are jobs done by a desperate immigrant taking anything he can get.
@@mikelitorous5570 does not make sense when you have a LOT of money, and keep taking jobs no matter what. His objective is to find someone, yet Niko keeps doing missions for everybody, even when they dont mention helping him in exchange. That at some point in the game makes no sense.... Even with fun missions, that lack of motivation, makes it boring.
Interesting you bring up the MGS4 thing. I remember watching someone "let's play" it recently and it only then dawned on me HOW INCREDIBLE the mechanics were but barely got to be used to their full potential. I'm guessing them cramming all they could into a dual layered blu ray meant a lot of potential had to be cut. But i just thought "what if there was just one more MGS-esque sneaking chapter to allow us the full range of all the features."
Anyway i haven't finished the video yet but i now do love that rockstar was ballsy enough to go in a new direction. Overall, however, for me the rinse and repeat and the being tied to the ground (aka "grounded" gameplay) weren't enough to distract me from the fact that this game just wasn't as "fun to play" as the other GTAs. I still had a great time but i was disappointed once the honeymoon period was over. I ended up preferring Saints Row 2. Very different goals for those two games but it gave me more of what i had loved from playing GTA since 1998.
This game made me realise how much I love San Andreas. Vice City was still my favourite. And a bunch of people will disagree but GTA V was the one to possibly change that. It was a true GTA experience for me in the then-next gen
I’ve been saying for YEARS that this is the GOAT GTA!!!! The story is so good, the game play is the most fun, the presentation is great. It embodies exactly what it was trying to capture, and you can just feel the grittiness. Feels like a sopranos or godfather movie
Something hit me 41 minutes in. I dunno if this game is trying to be The Sopranos-esque or something like that. But sopranos - and even breaking bad - wasn't afraid to have laugh out loud moments (I dunno so much about breaking bad, I'm thinking particularly of the Hal-like delivery of "I'm talking with Ted..." while Walt is holding into the pot plant), even drawing comments about how the Sopranos could be a straight up comedy every now and then. Was GTA IV too focused on its seriousness that it held itself back on this even more so than something like unanimously-praised-for-its-writing The Sopranos, which wasn't afraid to do so? That's actually a question, not me claiming that GTA IV didn't get to the same level of comedic moments as it's been years since my last playthrough of it.
EDIT: I also love how you clearly seem to be a very well-read person, often making references and comparisons to literature that I'm not, and I'm sure a lot of comment-writers aren't, versed in. And with that, you've laid a solid ass foundation for an analysis of the execution of the story writing. Yet while some comments respectfully disagree, others blatantly trash your perspective as if you just "don't get it" or just put a vague "darker = more satisfying" conclusion in their comment, demonstrating that they had no intention to consider anything outside of their stubborn love for the game
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I'm playing this game again right now. It's a masterpiece narratively speeking. If you have the dlc it only aplifys it.
Exactly! Unlike 5, where they only put out Online DLCs, like I don't get it...
@@davedarius7346 Not every game needs to be a carbon copy of eachother, rockstar does things different with each of their titles, if for example IV had 10x less content than SA.
The trio GTA 5 will always be my favourite. Niko is my least favourite.
Finally!!!! A GTA video!!!! I Believe that GTA can be heavily dissected just as much as MGS!!
I am honestly glad you revisited the GTA Franchise, among your first Videos I saw
where about Vice City, they were incredible. Looking forward too it, since you got more Eyeballs on them.
The only thing i prefer in this game over GTA V are interactable restaurants and it has bowling.Other than these it’s one of the most overhyped games i’ve ever played.
Imagine making a 46 Minute video... just to say GTA IV is a Mistake on the title...
This is like most people not appreciating the good side of a well known person but only focuses on their bad side and starts saying and talking about how that’s the only REAL Version of them. Still, I should be respecting this guy’s opinion no matter what considering other people have the same opinion too.
His Opinion is Trash
It sounds to me like a lot of this is based on your personal preferences and this is just not your type of game. GTA4 was ambitiously trying to push the sandbox game they invented into the next gen. Graphics, physics, story, immersion. Playing this game really captures the essence of early 2000s NYC. The "poor handling" cars are because the game has a realistic physics engine. It's a sardonic representation of the america more-so than satire.
I need a way to have the camera centred when driving a car. It drives me nuts that's it's not.