Need Bigger Fuel Injectors For Your M111?..Check This Out.. 180 200 220 230
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- watch till the end important manifold information but this video explains the choice of injectors we use for our engines the engines we use are M111.975 230 Kompressor engines though this applies to 200 kompressor engines and the 200and 180 engines have not yet checked against a 220 engine.
part numbers
Stock 0280155209
Saab 0280156023
Bam 0280156063
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I just trusted you and ordered the saab injectors works perfectly 🤞🏽
Did they fit well? Did you made any modifications to place the Saab injectors?
which exact injectors did you order, what number? please i need help
I have a w202 c200k 141kw and i have a bigger crank pulley and no magnetic clutch on sc,and i tricked out bypass valve so it everything works,sou you are telling i have to put saab 9-3 2.0 t injectors and fpr for 4 bars to get more power,also i want to know what to do with maf,i will eventually put a bigger intercooler and make a cold air intake and stuff like that so i need your help about that,cheers
Any suggestions on where to find 400-500Cc injectors for a m111, I am upgrading to E85, and need at least 450cc to do so
Hello!
I have 2 questions about the Siemens Deka.
1: Are there reliable in the long term? Are they making any complications when you running the engine at high RPM?
I got 850 ccm ones and today one tuner shop said it can effect the engine negative because they spray the fuel to wrong place not like the Bosch injectors.
2: Can you share the sizes of these bushes?
Thank you.
Question what would you recommend for m 271 engine looking to put the 62 mm pulley on the supercharger and wondering what would be the best option to give it a little more fuel not trying to go crazy just a little extra to match the pulley also what is the best way going about a remap is there any tips to try to go a little above stock but nothing too in depth just unlock what is already there
Hello,
I discovered your channel looking for 230 kompressor mods and you explain so many things, thank you !
If you see this message, I have a question about running m111 engine with e85.
As the engine allow some boost improvement with stock injectors, I suppose there is some possibility to use e85 if the engine is stock.
What do you think about that ?
I'm looking for an SLK 230K as daily, so e85 could allow me to save some money...
Thank you for your work !
Hey there, thank you for your kind words I really appreciate and can't wait to get back to doing regular help videos. To run the car on E85 would require larger fuel injectors and a remap of the ECU, a remap would be the biggest challenge as many tuners don't tune the ECUs in these cars. This is why you see many people with turbo or high boost supercharger M111 Mercedes cars opt for standalone engine management. These engines are good and strong but are by no means easy to tune due to the engine management. In the M111 Cars pre 2001 cars had a Bosch ME ECU and post 2001 cars had a Siemens management system, the Siemens system is more common for tuners to tune but it also has a smaller supercharger this engine is called the M111 Evo if you want to do any research on it. So the pre 2001 M111 has a Eaton M62 supercharger this is a slightly more robust and reliable unit which is the one I recommend. But with any variation to my knowledge you can not run the M111 on E85 in stock form. However if you ran a standalone ECU the engine would take E85 but vastly larger fuel injectors would also be required. I hope that helps though it's not the ideal answer you were hoping for
@@M-oneeleven-M111 thank you for your fast answer ! 👍
I’m looking for a pre 2001. As the fuel line allow the addition of a fuel regulator, it could be a way to inject more fuel without changing anything else.
Do you think it’s a safe way to try e85 or am I thinking about something not realistic?
Again, thank you for your time and knowledge 🙏
so the pre 2001 having the fuel pressure regulator on the rail makes things easier obviously you can add more pressure but then that will effect the spray patter of the fuel injectors most likely making them less efficient. but I don't see anyway you could run e85 on the stock set up you would at least need a remap to my knowledge, as the fueling will be totally different when using e85. when using e85 in a petrol engine it requires a lot more fuel for the same kind of burn this is why when you see turbo cars running e85 they have extremely large CC injectors. unfortunately I don't think it would work and to try it could damage your fuel system if not the engine. but if you were wanting to take the risk I'm all for people trying but I advise the chance of damage and failure is greater than the chance of success, I think that's the best I can word it.
@@M-oneeleven-M111 thank you for this insightful answer.
I never thinked that with more pressure, the injector spray will change !
I will do my homework and look if I can find injectors with around 30% more fuel injection compatible with this engine
What's the flow rate on the stock injectors. I have a 98 CLK 200
Have you upgraded the fuel pump yet? Been looking to get one. I’m pretty sure they’re somewhat universal since it’s in line though.
Nope even at our power levels we have found the stock pump to provide more than enough fuel for what we need👍
@@M-oneeleven-M111 awesome. So bigger injectors is the main restrictor for power? Like how much can the stock block take before needing to tear it down and upgrade.
@@djhairtriqz2084 honestly were not sure because of the headgasket, 300hp reliable with a good headgasket but some people are running 350-400hp on a stock block. The thing is to sort of be realistic the more an engine is pushed the less reliable it will get 300 is still reliable but the headgasket is your worst enemy that on a M111.973-975 the Evo engine has thinner rods and different pistons. That's the best I can say on that as we keep blowing headgaskets, However with an MLS headgasket and ARP headstuds I think 370hp with a good knock detection system
@@M-oneeleven-M111 where’d you get the gasket and studs?
@@djhairtriqz2084 BMW S14B23 ARP headstuds ARP 201-4605 I think is the part number. Headgasket stern garage in Germany do them but they ain't cheap, Hedgehog Motorsports in Thailand do them last time I spoke to them it's was about £220 including shipping but a 5 week wait
Hello my father have a 2000 R170 SLK 230K and injector have a longer pire than yours.
We would like to upgrade fort range 340 / 360 cc max and i can't find it.
Have you an idea ?
Do you mean the longer nozzle version of the injectors on the facelift engine? If so look at the aftermarket options for the Corsa Vxr there are many sizes of those injectors available. For the standard preface lift as shown in the video VW/Audi BAM injectors is what we use in our turbo Slk 230 . But when you do change the injectors the lengths can vary so spacers maybe needed for the injectors. They can be found on eBay www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223571343598 something like that I hope this helps if it does please consider subscribing 🙂
@@M-oneeleven-M111 Thanks for answare. Yes i mean longer nozzle, sorry my english is so bad.
I go look that.
Don't worry about your English buddy it's good enough for me to work out what you meant 🙂. Yeah Corsa Vxr are the closest thing I can find because I want to try a longer nozzle injector in my Clk, the Corsa VXR injectors give you a lot more of a choice as they are more often tuned. Give that a go like I say we appreciate everyone that subscribes too that's all we ask in return 🙂
I have a unused m11.941 n/a engine. How much boost can i run it? There is one merc run that engine on 0.8 bar.
Well the M111.941 being a 9.5:1 compression ratio engine makes it ideal for some boost, now the biggest thing with this question is I can't "TELL" you how much boost you can run only give a guide. Let me tell you why I say that... We had a M111.975 ran it at 1.2bar for several months then a misfire caused a piston to break, so we built another engine put that in ran it at .9-1.0 bar the headgasket went and we bent a rod. All that on less boost and less timing. The pistons between the NA and Kompressor are also different yours will have a slightly domes top where as the Kompressor has dished pistons, this is to do with both compression ratio and combustion control. It also depends "HOW" you want to boost it, do you want to use a turbo or use a Supercharger from a kompressor engine? If turbo no more than 0.5 bar after that your most certainly in a danger zone with a turbo no bigger than a T04E. For some reason these engines do not seem to like turbos bigger than a gt30 they fail very quickly from what I have seen. With a Supercharger you may be able to push 0.6 bar because of how linear the power is. Mercedes M111 pistons are strong but they are brittle so they can take a fair bit of power but if the engine DETs even a little bit it can break the pistons. Again the rods are good and strong too but these engines are not designed to rev like a Honda so think any power you want to make aim to make it low down. These engines are designed for torque not hp you can rev them a bit but I personally aim for power low down. I hope that helps if not already please subscribe 🙂
@@M-oneeleven-M111 Hello, currently im running m45 from c class on m111.942 136 hp. It runs with smaller pulley on 0.3-4 bars, which in my opinion is very low boost. I think my injectors need cleaning beacuse when i change gear it has something like boost lag, it takes 1-2 seconds to start pulling again. Can i updrage my injectors to the kompressor one or they are the same?
Do you think those saab injectors would work for me if i have this setup,ngk spark plugs(dont know if important), pulley kit, a ~15mm smaller sc pulley, a bigger crank pulley (cant remember size but maybe arround 10mm?)(1bar boost) coldair intake, a custom exhaust manifold 4in1 to a 2.5" to resonator and then 3" to a aftermarket muffler, aftermarket intercooler and i have the m62. ill add a bigger fuelpump and better system that supports e85 in the future, so are those gonna be to big? because 2&4 is already too lean, and 1&3 is little lean but i think i just need to clean the injectors. but if i would put those, are they too big or just right if i want to be putting more power someday.
and yes the text is badly written because im half asleep at 3am :DD
Sorry did not mention, i dont have this whole setup yet, but a bunch is done
Saab ones would be fine for you buddy if your at 1 bar then VW BAM injectors maybe better but you may need some injector top hats just to extend them a little bit as both the Saab and Bam injectors are a little shorter than stock if my memory serves me right. So far you have gone the right way about everything on stock injectors we recommend running a Vw 4 bar fuel pressure regulator no higher as it's just more efficient to go for bigger injectors if your still lean. But if you swap out for BAM injectors stay at 3 bar whilst on stock management. Saab ones you can push up to 4 bar fpr on stock management. With the bam ones the ECU can't trim enough fuel out so it runs rich. Hope that helps please subscribe if not already we have lots of potentially useful content and will always try to help with detailed answers 🙂
@@M-oneeleven-M111 ofcs imma sub awesome content anf helpful while a tune my own engine👍🏻 imma get myself some saab injectors
@@txnz3 Sweet thanks you 😃
Can I use saab injectors as a replacement on mine m111 960 2.2 , engine is stock just wanna replacement of oem injectors which are expensive ?
I think for a stock 2.2 those injectors would flow too much for the ECU to compensate, so the car would run rich however some LPT (low pressure turbo) 2.0 Saab injectors may fit, unfortunately I can't help you with part numbers or say for sure they will fit. the part number we have given is for HPT (high pressure turbo) 2.3 Saab injectors if my memory serves me right. but to run the Saab injectors anyway the fuel rail mounting bushes need to be shortened or injector extensions used as the Saab injectors are slightly shorter, I do believe that is also mentioned in the video.
I’m currently making my W202 c230 to turbo , is it worth adding forged con rods?
And would you advise I rebuild the engine as it’s on 152k
These engines have consistently made 350hp on stock internals and some even 400 if you want to go above that power then yes forged rods, stern garage sells a set for 650 euros in Germany. I would always recommend at least changing the headgasket normally these engines are pretty tough and wear well, but the head gasket is the weak point you can use stock headbolts too but we are going to be using BMW S14B23 ARP headstuds on our turbo slk just to make sure the head stays down. We do want to go to a MLS headgasket though stern garage also sells them but they are quite pricey, if you don't mind waiting contact hedgehog Motorsports in Thailand they are a lot cheaper and can do custom thickness too. They quoted me £221 including shipping about a 5 week wait I think it was. 🙂
@@M-oneeleven-M111 ahhhh thanks mate , yeah I’m going to strip the engine and inspect it all.
I’m looking for around 300bhp to begin with on a TD05 from a Mitsubishi evo.
What about clutch, can I just use a standard LUK clutch or do I need custom.
@@medievilassassin hmm that's a tough one as we only tune auto's as the boxes are rated for higher torque, with a TD05 you will probably be 450-500nm at 300hp so realistically I can't see the stock clutch holding up to that. I'm not sure but I think I've seen people use sprinter clutches but I'm not 100% sure on that. Your gearbox will be well beyond its limits though as I think the manuals are rated to like 275nm, But if you find you do blow the box up again look for a manual box from a diesel engine but not any of the V engines I believe the bellhousing is the same or very similar but you would have to do your homework first on that 🙂
@@M-oneeleven-M111 ahhhh no worries mate and thanks , I’m going to turbo my W202 C200 auto also just to make it a bit faster.
Thanks for the help mate
@@medievilassassin The 200-180s seem to yield good results when boosted due to the higher compression and I think the cam duration is slightly better aswell on them.
Hello do you use the BAM injectors on the stock ECU?
Hi we use the Saab b204 injectors on standard ECU we found that the Bam ones have too much fuel no matter how we tuned it but for using different injectors you may need shorter injected rail bushes/mountings hope this helps please subscribe if this is useful thank you
@@M-oneeleven-M111 i subscribed already👍 i like the m111 stuff and i got a clk200 kompressor with larger crank pulley, smaller kompressor pulley & ported kompressor
It needs more fuel and i tried to fit some 1.8t vag injectors it run but on full throttle lots of misfiring 😕
@@mijopuseljic525 thank you that's very much appreciated, hmm that's interesting you could have a bad injector to also recommend a 4 bar fuel pressure regulator but Bam injectors will certainly provide more than enough fuel however if one is blocked or you have a clogged fuel filter possibly
@@mijopuseljic525 also we ran on stock ECU with our O2 sensor unplugged sounds backwards I know but it was the only way it maintains a stable air fuel ratio also the symptoms you have could also be due to a faulty MAF sensor as we did encounter a similar issue when our MAF sensor went bad on us
@@M-oneeleven-M111 thanks for the talk, i will try some other injectors first maybe the pair that i used is bad, i also deleted the airflap and changed to a Tial BOV it runs pretty better than with the original flat and has much more torque
What CC size are the stock injectors? (SLK 230)
To be honest we are not 100% sure there is too much conflicting information out there to be sure unless they were flow tested. But fro what we experienced with out fuel running out on the turbo they are definitely a max of 295cc it ranges from 190-295 I believe 190cc is for the N/a engines not kompressor 295 seems realistic for a 190hp forced induction engine so I would be more inclined to go with that number 🙂.
@@M-oneeleven-M111 thanks! I’ve heard 295 before so I think that’s it for the sc version. I’m still trying to figure some stuff out for my engine swap. I’m using a standalone ecu with the m111 2.3K 😁
@@dutch.190e I would go with that bud it seems the most quoted size, sweet well you can get a whole lot more out of this engine on standalone as on the stock car the MAF is the most limiting factor.
@@M-oneeleven-M111 Yeah I got rid of the MAF right away. I'm using a MAP and IAT sensor. After getting everything dialed in and working I'm also going to use in bigger injectors and a smaller SC pulley. I already have long tube headers and a bigger intercooler 😀
@@dutch.190e 😂 the bin has always been the best place for a MAF, I don't know why mercedes did it that way any forced induction engine should be IAT and MAP based. When tuning though good idea to make sure you have knock detection, Det is very common even on the stock set up when switching to standalone due to the heat generated by the Supercharger. I've got some ideas I wanna try on my Clk to counteract that but it's going to be a while before I can as the my wallet is now empty 🤣
Im currently running double pulley, ported kompressor, decat, cold air intake and 5 bar fuel pressure, new filter and bigger fuel pump. Still above 4500 u/min im missing fuel. Currently at 230hp at 4500. Could the stock injectors could be at there maximum already? With fuel until 6000 I guess I would easy hit 260 hp...
That could be possible, but it could also be your MAF sensor topping out, when edid the pulley mod we used a BMW E39 M5 Bosch MAF element fitted in the 230k MAF housing. As before that we kept hitting fuel cut caused by the MAF topping out. This was about the 210 hp area wit VW 4 bar fpr and just the Speer crank pulley. But I would maybe say consider dropping the fuel pressure and using larger fuel injectors, you have gone the right way about doing it and the car sounds like a beast😉. But the higher the fuel pressure the more messed up the spray pattern can become so maybe 4 bar and bigger injectors Saab B204 is what I would use or VW BAM injectors at a maximum. The fuel will atomise better with a more controlled spray pattern so that would increase fuel economy and longevity of injector life at 5 bar that's a lot of pressure for that injectors to try and hold back and you risk injectors sticking. But you may beed top hat extensions for the injectors of modified fuel rail mounts as I think the BAM and B204 ones are shorter than stock I think it's shorter. I hope that helps buddy 🙂
@@M-oneeleven-M111 Wow, fast reply! but would fuel cut not just really "cut"? My dyno is very nice, but just dropps after 4500 like a diesel :D
@@bejenz1043 hmm what are your intake temps at? It could be pulling timing the Supercharger does turn into a heat pump when over driven, this is why we jumped to turbo on our Slk. Is it more noticeable part throttle or on WOT? If part throttle it's most likely the MAF if full throttle it may well be running out of fuel. Do you have a AFR gauge?
@@bejenz1043 also our Cams do choke us as the top end with duration.
@@M-oneeleven-M111 intake temps are at 10 degrees ouside about 50 degrees at the rev limiter, so should be fine with this. No AFR Gauge yet, i was also thinking to get one...car drives very fine without any bogging or so. But the dyno graph looks like from a diesel :D and i want to get this top end power also. So i was thinking how to get more fuel top end. I think ill just get some 1.8t injektors they are damn cheap in germany. And i could decrease my fuel pressure also.